Iran Shoots Down $123 Million U.S. Unmanned Aircraft – President Trump: “Iran Made A Very Big Mistake”…

Iran didn’t just shoot down a simple ‘drone’, Iran used a surface-to-air missile to shot down one of the most technologically advance U.S. aircraft costing $123 million; more than the price of an F-35 stealth fighter jet.

The targeted aircraft was a US Navy Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS-D); a RQ-4A Global Hawk high-altitude long endurance (HALE) drone, flying in international airspace over the Gulf of Oman.

“The RQ-4 flies at upwards of 65,000 feet,” Tyler Rogoway, the editor of The War Zone, wrote. “So this would have been a sophisticated radar-guided surface-to-air missile that shot the aircraft down, not a shoulder-fired, heat-seeking missile.”

(Business Insider)The US military called the incident “an unprovoked attack on a US surveillance asset in international airspace” over the Strait of Hormuz, the entrance to the Persian Gulf. The Iranians have accused the US drone of entering Iranian airspace, an allegation Central Command characterized as completely false.

President Trump responds below:

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428 Responses to Iran Shoots Down $123 Million U.S. Unmanned Aircraft – President Trump: “Iran Made A Very Big Mistake”…

  1. jhynds says:

    You done messed up A-A-Ron!!!

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  2. OhNoYouDont says:

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    • Jeff P. says:

      No error by some general. that was a direct provocation most likely cheered on and orchestrated by Barry the Mooslim Soetoro and John Kerry the Open face Traitors and Enemies of both the USA and the One and Only True GOD the God of Noah, Abraham, Israel,Jacob,Moses.

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      • jeff montanye says:

        i was going to disagree because of the very bad record of lying by the u.s. military, etc. but since you mentioned that the One and Only True GOD the God of Noah, Abraham, Israel,Jacob,Moses has also thrown in with the usa (and against obama and kerry), i’ll hold off for a bit.

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      • frank field says:

        …and me. 👓

        Trump for Rushmore

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  3. dawg says:

    John Kerry should be arrested today!

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  4. sundance says:

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    • chojun says:

      Likely retaliation for the release of evidence that Iran was behind the tanker attacks. Drone surveillance of the strait threatens Iranian strategy, apparently. These high-altitude drones have no need to encroach on hostile airspace because their excellent sensor range is so great.

      There’s nothing on the surface that indicates why tensions are rising in Iran at this time, so it has to be related to something happening behind the scenes.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Would the old SR-71s still be viable in this environment?

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  5. They are just asking for it aren’t they?

    KAG!!!!

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  6. MaineCoon says:

    First, 1 Word: Incoming
    Second, 1 Word: MOAB

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  7. MAGADJT says:

    He is soft pedaling the response to give them a second chance. Smart because if they do anything again, no one will blame him for taking more tangible measures.

    Liked by 14 people

  8. James F says:

    The best sophisticated radar-guided surface-to-air missiles pallets of cash from Obama can buy,

    Liked by 25 people

  9. ggmppv says:

    Rather than military action that everyone seems to want. He should just implement 100% complete trade sanctions – including food and medicine. No exemptions of any kind. No need for a war. Any country that wants to trade with the US will have 100% trade sanctions imposed if they so much as sell a can of beans to them.

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Greg says:

      A 100% tariff would be better, then we can recover the cost of the Drone overnight.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Sounds like a good measured response.

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    • 3rdday61 says:

      @ggmppv,
      Good suggestion, too bad it’s not allowed. That would actually solve the problem. Can’t have that. Way too much profit to be made from another ‘crisis’. Gotta drag it out. Besides, what’s $123 million when Congress just spent an ‘EXTRA’ $738 BILLION on top of the $2.2 TRILLION it extracts from The People in 8 freakin months!!! Since when does economic prosperity COST money ? Answer is it doesn’t cost anything, but our benevolent leaders use the good times as cover for their theft. And The People seem too ‘caught up’ in MAGA to even care.

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    • DelAware says:

      Absolutely this. But we all know that the reason Iran is being made an enemy is their antipathy to globalized central banking and their unfortunate decision to plop down their bazillions of acres of land in the middle of oil that other people consider theirs.

      So sick of these banksters and their degeneracy. And I’m sick of having to mop up on the home front for all the people hurt and potential destroyed by these military-industrial complex prize fights to generate record profits for a thousand or two plutocrats. Sick of this serfdom. Sick of it.

      And all they do is hold our Bill of Rights like a carrot on a stick. “Vote for us, peon! If you don’t you’ll lose your free speech and right to keep and bear arms.”

      This is NOT what my Revolutionary War ancestors intended. These people are hostile actors occupying our republic.

      And now President Trump is acting like a 1A PNAC neocon.

      And the PR blatt around the “Medal of Freedom” for Arthur Laffer? Good lord, I had to leave the keyboard because I couldn’t afford the amount I’d have to put in the household Cuss Jar.

      Sick of Greenspanismo, sick of Reaganomics, sick of the Rothschilds, sick of central banking, sick of fractional reserve lending/conjuring money out of thin air/debt slavery.

      I thought President Trump would fashion a whip and clean the temple. Instead it seems he’s been beaten down by both wings of the UniParty and the PuppetMasters who control them. The PuppetMasters who put agents of mayhem on America’s streets to remind all of us who dissent that they have plans to obliterate us, if not now then later.

      And meanwhile the vile disgusting media slaver orgasmically over the prospect of ruining any decent person who decides to give up a normal life and run for any political office, however modest.

      (I’m of the view that electioneering should not be allowed in broadcast media. That people running for office should have to go person to person. That automation of campaigning is the biggest pox on this nation, next to central banking.)

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    • jeff montanye says:

      that shouldn’t bother the status of the dollar as world reserve currency.

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    • FrankieZee says:

      Trump’s wars are ECONOMIC WARS. Faster to have them beg on their knees for surrender. Or the people overthrow the GOV.

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  10. Bigly says:

    Please no action on Iran before G-20!!

    Score with Xi first.

    Then nuke em to hell…..

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  11. sundance says:

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  12. RJ says:

    Watch a few episodes of “Boardwalk Empire” to get some flavor of what could happen. We already know about the “Godfather” series…horse head, etc. Maybe the NSA has recordings from within the Iranian government that Trump has been briefed, maybe not.

    What’s the hurry? Like a kid who pokes a sleeping giant, the giant does not move, the kid keeps poking and then, all of a sudden the giant makes a “giant” move. That takes care of the kid’s behavior!

    Alexander The Great meets Trump The Great…looking for Persians. What’s to worry?

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    • Surely you’ve seen that movie clip about “The Lion.” But, no, this Lion should reveal absolutely nothing about what the response will be until shortly after the moment when it happens. Investigate thoroughly to find out what happened, and let them all sweat awaiting what happens next. Let them have utterly no idea what that might be. Plenty of good possibilities to choose from, when you are in command of both the world’s strongest military and the world’s strongest economy. If you tell them to fly a cruise missile through a particular bedroom window, they’ve done it before.

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      • jeff montanye says:

        right. world’s strongest military. still fighting pashtuns with ak-47’s seventeen years after hostilities commenced following history’s greatest false flag attack, but you know, seven countries in five years was the proposal.

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  13. Streak 264 says:

    WW3 over a toy plane?
    Not buying it!
    I don’t believe anything from intel agencies, even under Trump.
    This war sh*t has to stop. We are broke!

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      AMEN!

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    • L_Dave says:

      This ain’t going to be boots on the ground war. He’ll hit some military assets and punch them in the jaw.

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    • TazioNuvolari says:

      Calm down. There isn’t going to be a WWIII.

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      • jeff montanye says:

        no. just enough of an attack to rally the iranian population behind its rather disliked government. because sanctions worked so well on cuba. the cia are geniuses. they never work themselves out of a job.

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        • cantcforest says:

          Who trusts the CIA now?

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        • eagle931 says:

          There never really were sanctions as you imagined on Cuba. There is an embargo, but only on the U.S. side, which means that the whole world, other than us, can trade with Cuba (some embargo!). That is the reason the embargo has never worked. But, even with the embargo, the U.S. allowed medicine and, in later years, frozen chicken and other foodstuff in as well. However, Pres. Trump just pulled the trigger on the one sanction that could have made a difference, but that was not executed: the 1995 Helms-Burton Act. Generally, this act demanded payment for the expropriation of American companies and it applied to both Cuban government and any international company that used the property. However, until Trump, none of the former presidents enforced the law. Now, as a result of this action Exxon Mobile is suing the Cuban government for billions in reparation. Of course, Cuba won’t pay but any assets they have outside the country can be frozen, and that will put a great deal of hurt on that communist regime.

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    • trialbytruth says:

      BS

      This is a direct threat first shipping now international air space. My guess is Iran is about to lose ALL of its anti aircraft facilities .

      Joint attack Saudi Israeli and US. They will be blind and stop this nonsense now or the pain will increase. Them striking out blind against against us would be suicidal… But if that’s there choice fine.

      No neocon here but everything is not a deep state plot sometimes it’s just stupid and has to be fixed…..yeah I know you can’t fix stupid that’s why you blow it up.

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      • trialbytruth says:

        Trump will act decisively

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      • Streak 264 says:

        Assuming it happened that way!
        I don’t believe anything from intel agencies!
        NOTHING!

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Yeah okay iran didn’t nuttin. The video of their fast boat was deep state seals in disguise and the moon lamdinglwas fake.

          I know intelligence community has some issues that need to be adressedadand maybe torn down to the frame BUT Iran are bad actors no ifs and or buts. They are rattling sabers in every direction and their internal propaganda is matching their external actions.

          I trust Trump to read the tea leaves so far he has not been fooled by the neo cons I see no reason why this should be different. If the palace of the supreme leader becbmbs a 30 foot deep hole then you will know it was needed.

          If he takes out their eyes and ears then he will be limiting his response. If he does less then take out the missle sites then I would say he is hedging his bets much like Syrias limited and balanced action.

          Beleiving all evil in the world comes from the US is a Dem-witted position.

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          • Streak 264 says:

            Looks like Trump didn’t like the ideal of war either. You war mongers need to stop with your obsession.

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            • trialbytruth says:

              How convenient to ignore this paragraph of my statement.

              “If he takes out their eyes and ears then he will be limiting his response. If he does less then take out the missle sites then I would say he is hedging his bets much like Syrias limited and balanced action.”

              Instead you deflect my absolute Faith in Trump to read through the battlefield smoke to make a clear eyed decision.

              Once again your game is disruption and deflection it is so old and so tired and so transparent. Most of the regular posters here will ignore you.

              The only reason I engaged was to provide a quick object lesson in organized troll posting fornall the new posters here. (growing every day). As you can see from the view under the bridge there I have suceeded.

              Thanks for playing.

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      • jeff montanye says:

        glad you said you weren’t a neocon. how can you tell?

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    • TreeClimber says:

      WW2 happened because Europe was war-weary and didn’t want to get dragged into another one… how did that end?

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    • tonyE says:

      This is most definitely NOT a toy plane.

      This is definitely an act of war.

      From an engineer’s point of view, BAMS is a very advanced aircraft. It is fully autonomous and more complex than the Global Hawk. The Navy’s Triton (BAMS-D) can operate from 65K down to 5K feet so it a more complex aircraft. Example, GH doesn’t need deicers because icing is not a problem at 65K feet, but it is at 10K feet it also has deal with civilian traffic so it won’t crash into a “United heavy” on approach to LAX.

      IMHO someone within the Iranian military is wagging the dog’s tail.

      Now they are going to get a taste of what General Atomics builds. Those carry weapons, you see.

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      • M Droy says:

        Not a $120mn drone though.
        A recycled something else.
        Thewarzone: So, it looks like DoD officials are likely confused and what was probably lost was a BAMS-D. These airframes were recycled from early Block 10 RQ-4A Global Hawks that the USAF no longer wanted and used for experimental testing and proof of concept work during development for what would become the MQ-4C Triton.

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    • thetrain2016 says:

      You worry too much. Iran is going to pay for that 123 Million Dollar “toy” a very high price without even thinking about starting a war.

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    • Mark McQueen says:

      It ain’t gonna be WWIII.

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  14. sunnyflower5 says:

    The new, patriotic Air Force One model was on the coffee table.

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  15. Dimbulbz says:

    I have never understood why we have tolerated that POS regime. They only understand a boot on their neck. Glad no one was killed, but they need to be ended. Now

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    • flatlandgoober says:

      Should have been ended by Jimmy Carter. But he was without cojones.

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      • I don’t fault Mr. Carter. A very different President, a very different military, a very different geo-political situation in a very different time. I think that he, too, was … is(!) … a wise and courageous man of sound judgment – as well as a distinguished Naval officer. He also faced very difficult times “as best he knew.”

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        • Tom22ndState says:

          Sound judgment? “Fvck the Shah” was the wise and courageous response when the Shah asked for our help. I’m not buying your revisionist history of Jimmuh Cata.

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          • jeff montanye says:

            do you know how the shah got to power? might shed some light on what you do know.

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            • Tom22ndState says:

              Yeah, his father abdicated so he took the throne.

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            • trialbytruth says:

              I know how the a holaes that are there now got to power

              peaceful demonstrations of young college students. (shaw was a firm believer in higher education for his people US universities for free) They demonstrated for freedom of expression and a desire to stop the abuses of the shaws secret police.

              They were high jacked by muslim fundamentalists who arrived at the last minute and soaked the capital in blood.

              Class over

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        • Deplorably Bonnie Blue says:

          LOL

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      • It could have also been ended by barry 0 if he had backed the people revolting against the mullahs during obama’s reign of terror!
        Why Obama Betrayed the Iranian People

        It was monstrous when Obama stood by and did nothing during the abortive Iranian revolution; instead, he bought ice cream and posed for photo ops on the golf course while the only revolution against Islamic rule in a Muslim country was taking flight in Iran.

        Secretary of State Hillary Clinton revealed one reason why last week: the Obama administration’s Iranian advisers told them not to express support for the protesters.

        https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/11/why_obama_betrayed_the_iranian_people.html

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  16. As he should be – he is saying absolutely nothing. “You’ll see. You’ll see.”

    Knowledge Is Power. He stated that the United States “will not stand for it,” but you’re left knowing absolutely zero about what might happen next. Until it happens. As it should be.

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  17. Athena the Warrior says:

    Always remember: President Trump is a deep student of Sun Tzu. President Trump’s comment about a big mistake and later saying when he was sitting with Trudeau, perhaps this was a mistake by a rogue element, is him giving Iran a retreat avenue.

    Heavy sanctions, upgraded military escort service in the Straits, take out the SAM but leaving Iran the ability to retreat/back down and come to the table rather than escalating into a war.

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    • beach lover says:

      agree. He has set it up for them to negotiate. If they don’t… look out. MOABs incoming.

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    • Jeff C-C says:

      Let’s hope you are right. “Nuking them to hell” and “a boot to the neck” of the “POS Regime” are not what we, or the world, need right now.

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        Key to limit civilian / youth fatalities. Iran has a huge youth population that was pro American.

        Take out a few military airfields and anti aircraft positions?

        Take out a nuclear weapons facility?

        Unless they fess up and apologize… or they didn’t do it?

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        • jeff montanye says:

          operative line: Unless they fess up and apologize… or they didn’t do it?

          not quite “remember the maine” (maybe sunk by a coal dust explosion in the coal bin next to the ammunition bunker).

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      • This will be the RODS-OF-GOD Scenario…
        REASON: No reason to use any military assets of ANY sort AND provides DENIABILITY!!! When the rods take out the C3 support and THE IRANIANS ARE BLIND…needless to say…nothing else needs to be said. The iranians will get the picture!!!!

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    • bkrg2 says:

      This wasn’t the work of some rogue terrorists. The drone can fly to 65,000 feet.
      This means a “rogue terrorist” would have the technology to spot the drone, then launch a guided missile to 65,000 to hit a moving target.

      There is no group of terrorists this sophisticated. Most of these terrorist can barely feed themselves while living in caves. Therefore, had to be organized by a Military agency.

      I have full confidence that Trump will handle this just like he’s done with every other threat

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    • Ray Runge says:

      USA’s job is not to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. Iran’s responsibility is to respect an international shipping lane.

      Now that Iran has committed a blatant military action, USA would be wise to choose an Iranian technology or military asset, destroy the asset and permit Iran the choice of again respecting an open international shipping lane.

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  18. Redhotrugmama says:

    Ha would be wild if when PDT meets with Xi at G20 they serve chocolate cake with 2 scoops for desert and the US takes some form of action while that happens (I like full trade sanctions). They say timing is everything!

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    • VSG/ESG have to deal with KERRY and Hussein very likely they” tutoring” Iranians…if they(demon c rats) can not paralyze economy…they will try something else they do not care if millions died…

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  19. moe2004 says:

    Iran is not dealing with a wimp now, best for them to smarten up!

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  20. MaineCoon says:

    U.S. congressional leaders have been invited to a White House briefing on Iran, sources say; Trump and intelligence officials are expected to attend – Politico— BNO News (@BNONews) June 20, 2019

    https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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    • Of course both Branches of Government must be briefed about the latest known information concerning this act of overt aggression … and I would be pleased if they said absolutely nothing about it to the Press. Unless the leaders decided to initiate some action by the Congress, the message should come from the President / Commander-in-Chief. When it comes. Whatever it is. “You’ll see. You’ll see …”

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    • Deplorably Bonnie Blue says:

      I hope the briefing is a head fake because I wouldn’t trust any of the congressional leaders as far as I could throw them.

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    • Mark McQueen says:

      Of course the briefing will be to inform them the cruise missiles are already in the air. 🙂

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  21. KnowSERENoFear says:

    US Constitution, Section 8 (as ratified by the several States in 1789)

    1: The Congress shall have Power To….

    3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations…

    10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

    11: To declare War…

    12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    13: To provide and maintain a Navy;

    14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress…

    Not sure how POTUS/Executive branch can/will retaliate without Congress on this.

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    • L_Dave says:

      Congress already passed the War Powers Act. He can do whatever he wants to retaliate for something like 30 or 90 days. You don’t really think a Congressional vote is required every time someone sinks a ship or downs a plane, do you?

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      • KnowSERENoFear says:

        Congress can not make law that is incompatible with the Constitution. To transfer an enumerated power from one branch to another is unconstitutional, and therefore, unlawful. The War Powers Act does this, and therefore, is unlawful. Since POTUS oath of office (“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”), he can not command the military to attack a foreign country and adhere to his oath of office.

        You are correct that POTUS can respond immediately to an act of war by another country…the last time that happened was WWII when Congress declared war within a couple hours of Pearl Harbor.

        We’ve come to accept that POTUS can indiscriminately employ the force of our military without a declaration of war. This is wrong. We the People OWN the military and We the People are to decide when, and if, we are willing to send our sons and daughters to war…and We the People do this through OUR representatives in Congress.

        If this is no longer acceptable, then We the People can opt to amend the Constitution through OUR Representatives.

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        • Dixie says:

          We the People do this through OUR representatives in Congress.

          Well said and nicely laid out, but our representatives don’t represent us appropriately. They follow their own path which is lined with hundred dollar bills and they ignore “we, the people”.

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    • thetrain2016 says:

      There are some lines in the U.S. Constitution that give power to the President too… The Articles you’ve quoted don’t have the word “only”.

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      • KnowSERENoFear says:

        Yes – I’m quite aware of Article II of the Constitution that specifically enumerates power to the POTUS…and none of them give the POTUS the authority to declare war.

        “The Articles you’ve quoted don’t have the word “only”.” The Socialists in this country will gleefully agree with you.

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        • Mac says:

          The constitution says that the Congress has the power to DECLARE war. And, that has not changed. It also provides the the following oath of office for the President: “”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Under the powers of the President it says this: “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;”. So, the Constitution makes the POTUS the CINC of the standing armed forces. It requires him to protect the Constitution and, therefor, the nation. And the War Powers Resolution allows the POTUS, acting as CINC, to utilize military assets in a case where the Congress has declared war, under “statutory authorization” or in the case of a “national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.” In the last case, Congress has to be notified of the actions of the President within 48 hours and the actions can not last longer than 60 days, with an additional 30 day removal period without Congressional approval. It also allows for the Congress to halt any military action upon the passage of a joint resolution.

          Now, neither the true scope of Presidential power, as CINC of the armed forces acting in defense of the Constitution, nor the Constitutionality of the War Powers resolution have been adjudicated. Probably because the courts recognize the fact that there will be times when limited military action will have to be taken without waiting for Congress to convene and issue a declaration of war as well as the fact that the President’s power to utilize the military can not be absolute and unfettered.

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          • KnowSERENoFear says:

            WHEN called into the service!

            War Powers is unconstitutional.

            Not adjudicated because a central government ALWAYS seeks more power.

            Was the POTUS given the authority to declare war? NO! Then he cant. If we wish for the POTUS to have this power, THEN amend the Constitution. It’s high time Congress did it’s JOB! …instead they pass it off to POTUS and then airchair-quarterback his actions to weight their coffers.

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            • Mac says:

              “WHEN called into the service!”
              This applies to the MILITIA, not the standing armed forces. Standing armed forces are always in the service of the nation. The militia [now-a-days the National Guard] is a state agency, unless called into service of the US government.

              The War Powers Resolution is considered unconstitutional for very different reasons, depending upon who you speak with. One point is that it is unconstitutional because it infringes upon the authority of the President to utilize military assets given to his use by the Constitution, in his role as CINC. The other argument is that the Congress can not delegate its Constitutional powers to another branch of government.

              However, logically and historically, it stands to reason that the Founding Fathers did not expect the standing armed forces of the United States, most notably the Navy, to require the Congress to declare war before the units of the military could defend themselves and the people and interests of the nation. However, it was the obvious intent of the Founders to limit the duration of any military action authorized by the President as well as the level of the military force used. And, nowhere in the Constitution is there any clear prohibition against the President using the standing military assets of the nation to protect the nation against attack. In other words, there is an argument for the Presidential used of military force without a Congressional declaration of war and no clear prohibition for such use.

              Here is something to consider. In 1783, the time necessary to transmit a message, over any significant distance, as well as travel time over those same distances was such that to require that the President not use standing military assets, or previously authorize military actions, in an emergency, until Congress could convene and debate the issue of a defensive use of military force. The same would be true of having to wait to mobilize and transport militias to a crisis or military incursion.

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    • jleonard14 says:

      This was an act of war. As such, the President has 60 days to act without anything from Congress.

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      • KnowSERENoFear says:

        …then Congress can declare war.

        “As such, the President has 60 days to act without anything from Congress.” Where did you find this in the Constitution?

        Do you REALLY think our Founders intended for the POTUS to indiscriminately commit acts of war without approval from the people? Then why the Revolutionary War? Why not just maintain the status quo of having the ruling class decide if and when WE the PEOPLE die in war?

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        • Mark McQueen says:

          Do you really think out Founders intended the Commander in Chief to have absolutely no authority to respond to an attack until Congress OK’s it? Especially at the time when Congress was not in session but for a few months/year?

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          • KnowSERENoFear says:

            To defend – yes. To attack – no.

            Shooting down an unmanned drone does not constitute a direct threat to our Republic. However, retaliating makes the MIC very rich! Perhaps IF we had waited for the facts of the Gulf of Tonkin to play out – Vietnam war could have been averted. Perhaps, if true intel on WMD’s in Iraq was gathered – our national deficit would be trillions less and hundreds of our brave soldiers would be with their families now.

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            • Mark McQueen says:

              You’re playing word games. How the hell do you defend yourself in cases like this without retaliating? You know your “we must declare war first” line is BS, just like the stupid “not a direct threat to our Republic” line is also.

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              • KnowSERENoFear says:

                Defend? Because a drone was shot down? This is a direct threat to our Republic? I reference source…the Constitution…says Congress declares war. I stand with the Constitution…not opinions from lawyers…not commentary from MSM…not unconstitutional legislation…not the emotional need for retaliation against a foreign government I disagree with.

                Noted – you’re a Conservative and not a Constitutionalist.

                IMHO – it is beneath you to judge my interpretation of the Constitution as “BS” and “stupid.”

                Good day MM.

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                • Mark McQueen says:

                  You are correct. I chose my words poorly and I apologize. I strongly disagree with your interpretation that a military response requires a declaration of war. The suggestion that POTUS must not act without Congress permission is a gross misinterpretation of the Constitution. Anyway Congress has ceded limited authority to do so. YOU don’t get to legitimately declare the War Powers Act un-Constitutional to support an argument, at least not legitimately. It does not matter that it was a drone. We have the right to free navigation of international spaces and not be attacked. It’s not as simple as “Oh well. I was just a drone”. The attack was indeed a threat to the USA. It becomes a bigger threat if it goes unanswered. I’m just tired of the rhetoric promoted by libertarian isolationists. It permeates this thread and is misguided and shortsighted.

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                • Mac says:

                  Retaliation can also be defense. It depends upon what the target of the retaliation is.

                  Think of shooting down a drone as being the same as a sniper attack. If the drone is in international airspace, it is the same as a sniper shooting a car driving down the middle of a public roadway. It is an illegal act of aggression. Now, a reasonable defensive measure would be to shoot the sniper. Why? Because the sniper is demonstrably an ongoing source of danger to passers-by who are legally using the roadway. It would also be permissible to send people onto the sniper’s property to locate and neutralize him as a future threat. So, if the US was to target the source of the GA missile, as well as any other aggressive weapon systems which can be brought to bear, from Iran, on traffic legally utilizing the international waterways or airways. In fact, this would be considered a measured response to this attack.

                  What you are doing is attempting to justify your desire that the President not be allowed to utilize military force to defend the nation, its people, property and national interests, unless directed to do so by the Congress. And, you use a single clause of the Constitution to attempt to solidify that position. However, As I pointed out in one of your earlier posts, the Constitution is vague on exactly what type of military action the President can take, when he can take it and whether he needs Congressional approval to do so. He can not declare war, but declaring war and waging war are twwo different things. However, the Constitution does not clearly prohibit the President from using military force to protect the nation, without Congressional approval. And, the courts, who are supposed to clarify these Constitutional issues have not done so. So, the Congress passed the War Powers Resolution, in 1973, in an effort to set limits on the power of the President to use military force, unilaterally, to protect the nation. Now, this resolution may itself be unconstitutional, if it is found to infringe upon a Constitutional duty and power of the President. Or, the courts could decide that the President has no constitutional authority to use military force without the authorization of Congress. Until the courts weigh in, the President can continue to use military force, without the approval of Congress, especially if he adheres to the conditions in the WPR.

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  22. digleigh says:

    The Pentagon paid Halper (the lure/framer) to frame Trump….I do not trust an intel trying to start war, right when the investigators(CIA/Pentagon/DOJ/FBI) are being investigated…. Trump needs to remove Haspel. Wray. and look at EVERY piece of evidence over with a fine tooth comb.. I do not trust them as far as I can throw them…We always need to follow the money trails…Lockheed Martin/DOD stocks of our Congressmen/ arms dealers, etc…… New complaints on Grahamnesty doing NOTHING substantive in the Senate investigation, makes me think he may also be a buffer plant, and wants to get the intel scrutiny off the news pages!!!……

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    • digleigh says:

      Way too convenient for my taste…..My Nancy Drew reading as a child (lol) It seems a bit TOO PAT… Right when Abe (Japan) was about to meet with Iran(to give a message from Trump?), there HAPPENED to be a Japanese ship going into the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran had a device at that moment ready?? to stick it directly in Japan and U.S. eye??? My SMOLLET meter is cranking up!!!

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Paul Sperry said a top CIA official had flipped about a month ago. Haspel?

      Can’t Barr transfer Wray to an Alaska position, along with Dan Coats?

      Or are we secretly tracking them?

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  23. 335blues says:

    An unprovoked attack in international airspace deserves a stern response. Very stern.
    Maybe it is time to end the terrorist regime in Iran.

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  24. Just go on 4 Chan. The deep state shills are all over 4 Chan trying to convince young Trump supporters that President Trump is like every other recent American President despite his promises and will get US servicemen killed in Middle East wars. This premeditated attack by Iran couldn’t fit any cleaner in the deep state’s anti-Trump narrative. Pull US assets over the horizon, and keep action against Iran economic. And btw, drag Kerry in for interrogation. Iran attacked the US after speaking with Kerry, what did he tell them to do?

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  25. MaineCoon says:

    Article posted in Arab News.

    FTA: PARIS: President Emmanuel Macron sent his top diplomatic adviser to Iran this week as part of European efforts to defuse tensions between Tehran and Washington, the French presidency said Thursday.
    The adviser, Emmanuel Bonne, held “high-level meetings” Wednesday in Tehran, “with the aim of contributing to the de-escalation of tensions in the region,” Macron’s office said.
    The presidency refused to say whom Bonne met, adding only that he left Tehran on Wednesday evening.

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1513616/middle-east

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  26. jhynds says:

    At $123M per drone, ya think they would have thrown in the Anti-SAM upgrade or something… How do you spend $123M and NOT be able to recognize and avoid a radar signal that obviously is intending to kill you?

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Remember a few years ago the Iranians didn’t shoot down an RPV but actually acquired control and landed it for inspection. That was during the previous Administration. Perhaps people need to chill out on this and take a deep breath. The government spends more than $123 million a day on Illegal Aliens.

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    • The Radar Guy says:

      As “The Radar Guy”, I would comment that it is not so easy.. No doubt the big bucks associated with the asset is because of the surveillance payload on board…

      In some ways, the asset is like “the canary in the coal mine”. It is designed to fly peacefully and outside the airspace of any hostile nation. To shoot down such an asset in such an unprovoked way, demonstrates how out of control Iran is becoming. You pick the reason – the sanctions are working spectacularly and the regime is in trouble, the command and control of the revolutionary guards is not assured (i.e., a rogue action) or those who wish animus to the US (e.g., certain European countries or certain ex politicians like Kerry) are suggesting provocative acts to make PDJT over-react and lead to a destabilizing war that harms his re-election chances.

      I would think the best course of action for the US is a mild response (either a pin prick militarily or a ratcheting up of sanctions). In the meantime we could pull back from direct engagement. Let Germany or some other country that needs the oil, take an exposed position. We simply don’t need their “stinken” oil… The big risk to re-election is war in the middle east.

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  27. Madmax110 says:

    Kerry should be waterboarded in Gitmo and treated as a enemy combatant.

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  28. Perot Conservative says:

    Maybe this was a John Kerry suggestion to Iran?

    Executive Order: Revoke the Passport of American John Kerry (and if he still has a Classified Security Clearance, that too).

    Immediately.

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    • aisheschayal says:

      Somebody on Rush today suggested that Obum’s 150 billion donation, orchestrated by Kerry, to Iran was for them to build a missile defense system to protect them from any retaliation from Israel should they need it. Kerry’s citizenship should be revoked.

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  29. DesertRain says:

    “Yes, we should remove an Iranian “installation”.” – from a Sundance Tweet.

    The “installation” to remove may not be Iranian. Kerry et al.

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  30. MAGADJT says:

    Good take. The drone shoot down has “let’s try and bait POTUS” all over it. Hope he doesn’t fall for it.

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  31. cheering4america says:

    I have to assume the surveillance vehicle in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz was there to ensure that what happened last week doesn’t happen again, with the two ships that were bombed in the Strait.

    Will it be different if the next ship attacked is under an American flag?

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  32. C says:

    This doesn’t make much sense to me. Are the globalists attempting to drag us back into a war to distract and subvert Trump’s administration?

    I see no reason to go to war with Iran, nor even glass them. The acts of provocation need to be called out for what they are – Kerry and the globalists have a special interest in Iran remaining as Iran. Is it to keep the M.E. destabilized so they can continue to war profiteer from it (as well as potentially flood Europe with ‘refugees’) ? To create enough chaos within the M.E. to stop China’s One Belt? Was that their solution?

    Iran is starting to look identical to North Korea on the global stage. A puppet of massive intertwined special interests. As well as not forgetting the lack of central bank in Iran. I know Trump sees this…but acts of war are hard to ignore. They’re putting him into a tough spot but he seems confident. I vote to not smash up Iran. The timing before the G20 is also a huge tell.

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      Your analysis is spot on!

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      • C says:

        I think Iran was playing both China and USA in return for free rein to radicalize and kick around sand in the Middle East. Selling oil/secrets to China…promising to ‘play along’ with USA. Clinton/Obama/Kerry had planned to keep the M.E. distraction going with Iran while they’d wage war into NoKo (or really China). And China was willing to sacrifice NoKo as a front line in that battle.

        This was their BRILLIANT solution to solving the China problem. Proxy wars and sacrificial lambs, all the while finding every single way to profit from it through war and globalist “refugee” programs.

        Once they were through with NoKo they’d probably glass Iran, using the rationale that Iran had broken their agreement and made nukes. And certainly, after defeating the nuclearized NoKo, they’d tell us we must absolutely take down the newly nuclearized Iranians too! For freedom! Democracy! I’m sure they had all this timed out on a month by month basis. All of it.

        But then came Trump…

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  33. beach lover says:

    Interesting it was reported earlier that John Bolton was on his way to Israel, but he was clearly standing there in the oval office at the press briefing. WTH?

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  34. Right to reply says:

    At times like this, you have to wonder why Kerry wasn’t arrested when he arrived back from Iran!

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  35. Goedhart says:

    I have to wonder why we’re spending $123M on an aircraft that anybody who can afford the price of a SAM can take out at will.
    The NVA were shooting down our aircraft with SAMs over 50 years ago. Don’t these drones have ANY capacity for self defense or evasion? Was the deployment plan to only use them in friendly environments? Maybe flying over Des Moines?
    Yeah, I know, “It was a planned setup and now they’re going to suffer the results”.
    It’s not the first drone Iran has downed and I still haven’t heard a believable explanation of the first one.
    If we turned Iranian airports capable of handling international flights into rubbled runways and their shipping ports into parking spaces for ships with large holes in the hull and keep them that way, we might get their attention.
    American responses to these events always have been slow and half assed almost as if there was no game plan.
    Responses should be swift, sure and extract a cost that they can’t afford to absorb.

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  36. bwcarey says:

    would have fed a lot of hungry people, and cut that feeling of isolation, as Victor Hugo would have said, that 123 million,

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  37. moe2004 says:

    All the war mongers will be war mongering after the briefing.

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  38. UncleGrumpy says:

    Closing the Straight of Hormuz was Iran’s economic doomsday weapon. President Trump has restructured the global energy scene, and this will not have the intended effect. Iran has fired a blank, and now stands naked before her enemies. I hope they enjoy eating sand, because with more sanctions coming at them, it will be the only thing on the menu.

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    • Andy Krause says:

      In the past closing the strait was a threat to USA because of our need for importing oil. We no longer require the oil from the mid-east, we have our own. Closing the strait would hurt China and Europe.

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  39. sunnyflower5 says:

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  40. sunnyflower5 says:

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  41. James F says:

    Fake news propaganda debunked.

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  42. zaq123 says:

    If you think about it, we don’t even have to blast them to kingdom come. We can just get into their computers plant viruses, shut their country down and steal all their money. Why drop a bomb?

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  43. Could they even tell what they were shooting down? Can they tell from the radar signature it’s an unmanned vehicle?

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    • cdnintx says:

      If must be a very sophisticated missile system indeed. I’m guessing Barry O’s money to Iran went to Russia who supplied some very high tech equipment.

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      • keeler says:

        ^^^This^^^.

        Russia sells its top of the line, next generation surface air defense systems to Iran.

        The Iranian military, for all its weaknesses, has a strong air defense system. It is not the Taliban or ISIS in that regard.

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        • JAS says:

          Shhh…. Don’t tell anyone but you cant shoot down what you can’t see. And a missile radar turned on is a dead missile radar. No radar, no missile. That’s how we play that game 🙂

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  44. Zippy says:

    What the Iranians are attempting to do since their economic situation is getting increasingly drastic due to the US oil embargoes:

    1. Raise the price of oil which was dropping and projected to keep dropping.
    2. Draw us into a small conflict which would further increase oil prices.
    3. If they go too far and start a major conflict, driving prices way up, that would likely trigger a LONG overdue worldwide recession or worse and thereby increase the likelihood of having their very best buds, the Dimocrats, make even further gains in CONgress and perhaps win the presidency.

    We’ll be SMART to NOT take the bait… which is why I think PDJT said he has a hunch that it was a mistake, not as in a strategic mistake, but an actual accidental launch, a launch through erroneous radar indication of an intrusion into Iranian airspace, or a launch by rogue Iranian military elements.

    I think it was fully intentional, but by claiming it might have been an accident, PDJT has an excuse to NOT respond militarily.

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  45. 13wasylyna says:

    Are these the sophisticated missiles that Hilliary trafficked in Libya….hmmmm

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  46. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    President Trump a few minutes ago… contradicting the warmongers.

    “It’s all going to work out.”
    “I find it hard to believe it was intentional, if you want to know the truth, it could have been somebody who’s loose and stupid,”
    “I have a feeling, I may be wrong or I may be right, it was a mistake by made by somebody who shouldn’t be doing what they did.”
    “I’m just not talking about the country making a mistake, I think that somebody under the command of that country made a mistake.”

    Meanwhile the Deep State & Fake News are beating the drums of war.

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  47. pochas94 says:

    No to all of the wusses above. Iran needs to be made an example of.

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  48. The Akh says:

    So John Kerry goes to Iran a month or so ago. Suddenly Iran starts actively provocating conflict.

    Question. Is Iran spoiling for a fight? What if the strategy is to provoke Trump into action so that he loses the anit-interventionist in his voting base? Iran would only need to drag it out to 2020. I seems like a huge gamble, but maybe Iran is seeing it as the only way out. Maybe Kerry convinced them it would work.

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    • smurfette says:

      “So John Kerry goes to Iran a month or so ago. Suddenly Iran starts actively provocating conflict.”

      No. Kerry had to allay Iran’s anger over the $150B which belongs to them but held in some kind of trust. The US will be bombed to smithereens so I have no problem efforts which Bolton is not making to stop this calamity.

      The Central Banks with held money belonging to Vietnam and Cuba too. Look it up. They are thieves, they have no interest in returning the money. Just like Americans owe the Bank interest and the land as mortgage. The Central Bank wins on both sides of the coin. Keep the money, spend more on military. With these banks it’s a Win-Lose game. The elitists always win.

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  49. Stephen Richter says:

    Why is the United States pushing for a fight against Iran? I do not trust Trump’s judgement on this.

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  50. M Droy says:

    After the faked Phillipine sea’s near collision with a Russian ship (DoD 100% the fault of the Russians, story killed stone dead after 2 hours when people at the Navy were told that the rules of the sea put Russia 100% in the right), I don’t think anyone believes the US version that they were in international airspace.
    Not that it matters – no way that US is going to attack Iran with more than the odd missile, less chance still that they will risk the straits of Hormuz getting blocked,
    This is more a false flag to prevent a complete backing down by the US rather than getting them into a war.

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    • Are you an Iranian troll or a Ron Paul wackjob?

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      • jeff montanye says:

        really. to doubt the word of the u.s. high command. just because the gulf of tonkin was a lie, the killing babies in the kuwait hospital was a lie, 9-11 was a lie, and a big one, the weapons of mass destruction were a lie, the assad chemical weapons assaults on his own people were a lie, the russian hacking of the dnc was a lie and the trump collusion with russia was a lie doesn’t mean this isn’t true.

        come on. you’re either with us or with the terrorists, right?

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        • We know that Muh Russia is a lie and weapons of mass destruction proved false. Everything else you list is a theory. Because some conspiracy theories turn out to be correct doesn’t mean they are all correct.

          Any way, Iran’s Air Force and Navy needed to be obliterated LONG BEFORE PDJT was even President. Such actions do not take any boots on the ground and would be far more in line with good old fashioned Americanism than either Ron Paul isolationalism OR neocon “nation building.” What really need is to go back to traditional rules of engagement and most of your painty twisting would be moot.

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        • OldParatrooper says:

          How was 9/11 a lie?

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    • joeknuckles says:

      Yeah, never mind that fake video Iran put out. That didn’t happen. /s

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