Why The Delay in Public Release of Key Documents?…

The possibility of U.S. Attorney John Durham exploiting/using documents declassified by his boss, AG Bill Barr, could suggest some of the material may not be made public; indeed that’s the inference from Representative John Ratcliffe three weeks ago as he outlined to Maria Bartiromo.

If accurate, it is worthwhile considering what *could be* publicly declassified by AG Barr, and yet not run afoul of any investigative value for Durham.   Example: the declassification of the Rosenstein scope memos to Robert Mueller (no longer a reason to be hidden) would not seem to materially affect the investigative intents of Durham.

So considering investigative value, what documents could be made public that would not impede Durham?

Here’s the list of material possible for declassification. This was the original list as outlined in 2018:

  • All versions of the Carter Page FISA applications (DOJ) (FBI) (ODNI).
  • All of the Bruce Ohr 302’s filled out by the FBI. (FBI) (ODNI)
  • All of Bruce Ohr’s emails (FBI) (DOJ) (CIA) (ODNI). All supportive documents and material provided by Bruce Ohr to the FBI. (FBI)
  • All relevant documents pertaining to the supportive material within the FISA application. (FBI) (DOJ-NSD ) (DoS) (CIA) (DNI) (NSA) (ODNI);
  • All intelligence documents that were presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016 that pertain to the FISA application used against U.S. person Carter Page; including all intelligence documents that may not have been presented to the FISA Court. (CIA) (FBI) (DOJ) (ODNI) (DoS) (NSA)  Presumably this would include the recently revealed State Dept Kavalac email; and the FBI transcripts from wiretaps of George Papadopoulos (also listed in Carter Page FISA). [AKA ‘Bucket Five’]
  • All unredacted text messages and email content between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok on all devices. (FBI) (DOJ) (DOJ-NSD) (ODNI)
  • The originating CIA “EC” or two-page electronic communication from former CIA Director John Brennan to FBI Director James Comey that started Operation Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (CIA) (FBI) (ODNI)

Additionally, since the 2018 list was developed, more information has surfaced about underlying material.  This added to the possibility of documents for declassification:

♦ President Trump can prove the July 31st, 2016, Crossfire Hurricane counterintelligence operation originated from a scheme within the intelligence apparatus by exposing the preceding CIA operation that created the originating “Electronic Communication” memo. Declassify that two-page “EC” document that Brennan gave to Comey.  [The trail is found within the Weissmann report and the use of Alexander Downer – SEE HERE]

♦ Release and declassify all of the Comey memos that document the investigative steps taken by the FBI as an outcome of the operation coordinated by CIA Director John Brennan in early 2016.  [The trail was memorialized by James Comey – SEE HERE]

♦ Reveal the November 2015 through April 2016 FISA-702 search query abuse by declassifying the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer. Show the FBI contractors behind the 85% fraudulent search queries. [Crowdstrike? Fusion-GPS? Nellie Ohr? Daniel Richman?]  This was a weaponized surveillance and domestic political spying operation. [The trail was laid down in specific detail by Judge Collyer – SEE HERE]

♦ Subpoena former DOJ-NSD (National Security Division) head John Carlin, or haul him in front of a grand jury, and get his testimony about why he hid the abuse from the FISA court in October 2016; why the DOJ-NSD rushed the Carter Page application to beat NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers to the FISA court; and why Carlin quit immediately thereafter.

♦ Prove the Carter Page FISA application (October 2016) was fraudulent and based on deceptions to the FISA Court. Declassify the entire document, and release the transcripts of those who signed the application(s); and/or depose those who have not yet testified. The creation of the Steele Dossier was the cover-up operation. [SEE HERE]

♦ Release all of the Lisa Page and Peter Strzok text messages without redactions. Let sunlight pour in on the actual conversation(s) that were taking place when Crossfire Hurricane (July ’16) and the FISA Application (Oct ’16) were taking place.  The current redactions were made by the people who weaponized the intelligence system for political surveillance and spy operation.  This is why Page and Strzok texts are redacted!

♦ Release all of Bruce Ohr 302’s, FBI notes from interviews and debriefing sessions, and other relevant documents associated with the interviews of Bruce Ohr and his internal communications. Including exculpatory evidence that Bruce Ohr may have shared with FBI Agent Joseph Pientka. [And get a deposition from this Pientka fella] Bruce Ohr is the courier, carrying information from those outside to those on the inside.

♦ Release the August 2nd, 2017, two-page scope memo provided by DAG Rod Rosenstein to special counsel Robert Mueller to advance the fraudulent Trump investigation, and initiate the more purposeful obstruction of justice investigation. Also Release the October 20th, 2017, second scope memo recently discovered.  The Scope Memos are keys to unlocking the underlying spy/surveillance cover-up. [SEE HERE and SEE HERE]

It would appear the Rosenstein scope memos, Kavalec memo about contact with Chris Steele, original FISA application of Carter Page and transcript of Papadopoulos conversation with Halper etc, could be released without impeding a grand jury review.

The Inspector General report on FISA abuse has apparently been delayed due to the new angle of interviewing Christopher Steele.  Given the nature of this new aspect; and considering the process for a report assembly after investigation all the way to release (a minimum of a month); it is highly unlikely we will see the IG report until the end of July or August 2019… which triggers suspicions of the proverbial DC can-kicking process.

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302 Responses to Why The Delay in Public Release of Key Documents?…

  1. RadioMattM says:

    They are withholding the documents because they can withhold the documents

    Liked by 6 people

    • bertdilbert says:

      I am trying to figure out the democrat position and their antics and why they are even continuing on with the show. I am thinking they raised a hell of a lot of money from people on the basis they were going to impeach Trump.

      If so, they are going to have a real hard time raising money for 2020 because they are now two time losers. Once with Hillary and once trying to save Hillary’s loss.

      Once the documents come out, the donors are going find out they were sold a bunch of nonsense in order to part them from their money. I don’t think the donors are going to line up to be screwed a third time.

      So they are going to do their best to drag out the documents.

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    • Tl Howard says:

      Come on. Barr can fire them for ineptitude.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Issy says:

      So sick of this, we can’t have the information because there is another investigation. When will it be completed? After the 2020 election, no doubt. They can keep dragging up new witnesses forever.

      Liked by 1 person

      • LafnH20 says:

        Imho, don’t be surprised when the OIG release of “Something” is eminent….
        There will be…

        “Breaking News”!!!

        And… “The OIG really, really, really, REALLY MUST Look into it!”

        Will we have to wait for an “OIG Release” because of another “Development”???
        And another😩
        And another😔
        And anoth….😴
        An… 😪 zzzzz

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  2. California Joe says:

    Barr and Durham may not want witness testimony impacted by the release of any documents publicly no matter how innocuous the documents may seem to be. The investigation is too important to taint just to satisfy our thirst for justice!

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    • I can live with the delay as long as justice WILL BE served.

      Liked by 17 people

    • L4grasshopper says:

      Perhaps.

      There is also the possibility that some of the potential targets would benefit if they knew it all. The supposition that Comey knows everything McCabe knows or that Strzock knows that Brennan knows etc etc etc is probably wrong. By keeping stuff quiet while they investigate, they can make certain targets worry about what, exactly, Durham and Barr actually know.

      Of course….we all are beyond frustrated about all of this. And we are trusting that Barr and Durham are truly doing “due diligence” and not just channeling that tool Wray…..

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    • jx says:

      Speedy prosecutions will solve that problem.

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  3. mg says:

    Plenty of crimes have been committed. No one will be entering the crow bar hotel. Only citizens will be able to provide justice. The universal sound of shells entering the chamber will be the new anthem. Barr along with most republicans are Deep State Hacks.

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  4. Burnt Toast says:

    Without the “scope memos” and the context they provide the Mueller report is without meaning.

    The general public probably believes it was about foreign meddling in the election.

    But scope was quickly narrowed to just Tean Trump “collusion” with RUSSIA, and then further narrowed to just the individuals that were set up to have contact with the appearance of contact with Russians.

    Not sure where investigating anyone specifically for “obstruction” was made part of the scope to merit half the report. Especially when that “anyone” was never officially under investigation as an named individual for anything…. at least as far as we know based on public released information.

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      A simple fact that has been glossed over since Day 1.

      You can’t evaluate the Mueller Report without knowing what Mueller was specifically authorized to do or not.

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      • It’s extremely obvious from examination of “Volume 2” that this Volume bears no resemblance whatsoever to “a Special Counsel Report.” This of course is the reason why Mueller made no attempt to rely on it. “Volume 2” was simply “a blueprint for impeachment,” much as was provided to the same Committee in the Nixon days.

        Undoubtedly, the perpetrators never considered that Barr might release the actual text of the Report to the “great unwashed” public, redacting almost none of the second Volume. When he did so, their intentions were laid bare.

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        • fabrabbit says:

          Mike R, that is an excellent point. Do you think they were betting that AG Barr would not release Volume 2 because of the inflammatory content? Since Dems and corruptocrats are always trying to either smear or protect another person they thought AG Barr would not release it to “protect” PDJT? Now that it is released, the scope memos may show that Volume 2 was clearly out of scope?

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    • Dutchman says:

      Burnt Toast;
      IIRC, Sundance has made a pretty convincing argument that DJT was NAMED, as a ‘TARGET’ in the scope memos.

      And it was ALWAYS about “Obstruction”, from BEFORE when Mueller was brought in.
      Perjury trap and obstruction trap WAS the plan. Since they CREATED the “Collusion Delusion”, they KNEW it was b.s. from day one.

      And, “Perjury” and “Obstruction” were the charges they needed, in order to excuse enough RepubliCON votes for Impeachment, to try to force PDJT to resign.

      Hence the WHOLE thing, the “Insurance Policy”, was FROM DAY ONE about Impeachment threat, forcing resignation. Obstruction or perjury was just the means to that end.

      And, such a situation was ALWAYS, from DAY ONE, about REPUBLICON votes; the Dems were a forgone conclusion.

      Hence, while all these documents would be interesting, what I want released are the,Comey memos covering WHAT he told McConnell and Ryan.

      He is SAYING he didn’t brief G of 8, due to sensitivity of matter, but thats B.S.
      THATS what the,G of 8 is FOR.
      And, political animal that he is, Comey KNEW RepubliCONS are the ones MOST threatened by DJT as POTUS, and would be fully ‘on board’, and WOULD NOT ‘alert’ PDJT.

      And, SWAMP creature that he is, Comey would realise that “memorialising” his conversations with Ryan and McConnell would be HIS insurance policy.

      Other thing looking forward to, which SHOULD be in the,Carter Page Fisa app, is Susan Rice signing a WAIVER, which she, as Natl. Security Advisor is required to do.

      Then hear old “it was an internet video” explain how she,signed without reading, or didn’t bother to tell her boss, Obummer, that she had authorised a FISA on Trump campaign!

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        He is SAYING he didn’t brief G of 8, due to sensitivity of matter, but thats B.S.
        THATS what the,G of 8 is FOR.
        And, political animal that he is, Comey KNEW RepubliCONS are the ones MOST threatened by DJT as POTUS, and would be fully ‘on board’, and WOULD NOT ‘alert’ PDJT.

        Interesting take.

        That could explain why Adam Schiff “corrected” Elise Stefanik’s timeline saying that Comey HAD briefed the Gang of 8 at some point prior than the “days earlier” he disclosed in his March 2017 testimony

        Oh and that would mean Comey lied under oath to HPSCI
        Again

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        • Dutchman says:

          Oh, telling when Comey is lieing is easy; his lips are moving.
          Thats the beauty of ‘contemporaneous’ memos, both from HIS point of view, and OURS (IF they are declassified).
          We KNOW they are going to be self serving, but in doing so he is going to be in total CYA mode, which means he is,going to throw EVERYONE else,under the bus, while portraying himself as a saint.
          EVERYONE

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          • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

            I just hope they are illustrated with SELFIES he took thinking all those smart thoughts.

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          • fabrabbit says:

            Dutchman, The same occurred to me, Comey is such a sanctimonious creep that he would certainly have written the memos to cover himself. BUT, if he was FBI (Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity) Director at the time isn’t he complicit if he did not stop the misuse of “sources and methods”?

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            • Dutchman says:

              Oh, he probably wrote them anticipating the possibility they would see the light of day.
              So, HE is a saint, “the Bishop”, and was trying to tell others it was wrong. The Bruce Ohr defence.
              “I TOLD them it was salascious and unverified. But those above and below me, THEY over ruled me, or did stuff without my knowledge.”

              THAT, I suspect would be his style.

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        • fabrabbit says:

          Once again…Adam Pencilneck lies.

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      • littleanniefannie says:

        I would love to know if Don Jr. was included in Mueller’s charge memo from Rosenstein. I’m betting he was so there would be “justification” for constantly dragging him through the mud.

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    • justlizzyp says:

      Somewhere today I saw a story about a previously undisclosed third scope memo…from October of 2017.

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  5. saywhat64 says:

    I would like to see the April 2017 court opinion written by FISC Presiding Judge Rosemary Collyer fully unredacted. I can not think of one reason why this would interfer with Durham inquiries.

    C’mon, throw us a juicy bone…

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  6. john edward lorenz says:

    Or it could be elites looking like they are in pursuit of other elites

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  7. Perot Conservative says:

    1. Where is the OIG investigation on Comey? … he gets a pass … no bueno.

    Why the holdup? Multiple releases at once?

    2. Where is the OIG investigation into 50-100 FBI employees leaking and taking bribes?

    I bet it easily expanded … no significant punishment means DC will only get worse. Katy, bar the door. Everybody knows everybody … attend the same HRC fundraisers, churches, synagogues and pre schools … universal DC hatred of Trump … rule of law goes bye bye.

    3. Alleged UK CYA heads up memo on Steele not being trusted – sent to both the Flynn camp and State Department, at minimum … which means more obstruction and conspiracy?

    Memo still not located as of weeks ago… and not given to the FISA court. Which means numerous, significant exculpatory documents hidden from the FISC court in a coordinated effort:

    A. Kavalec memo
    B. UK CYA memo
    C. Bruce Ohr misgivings withheld?

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    • I have very little confidence that the OIG has any interest in revealing the WHOLE Truth.

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      • fabrabbit says:

        kevin, why do you think the IG will not tell the whole truth? I know we were disappointed in the first IG report (an entire year has passed since!) but there is a new sheriff (AG) in town. Yes, the nature of swamp creatures is to hide their swampiness but I still have faith in the IG especially with AG Barr in position.

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    • LafnH20 says:

      Perot Conservative, sez…

      2. Where is the OIG investigation into 50-100 FBI employees leaking and taking bribes?

      Imho…
      You might find those have been reduced to a single page report recommending additional training, which must be completed before 2057… or when ever it becomes convenient. Not to mention, having been (out of an abundance of caution) entirely redacted, with the exception of an illegible signature, and dutifully placed in their (50-100) personal file.
      Which has (Somehow 🤔) been misfiled.

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  8. freepetta says:

    Perhaps AG Barr and Mr. Durham don’t want to give the perps any advance notice because they all go on CNN and PMSNBC to whine and make ridiculous statements. I’m sure there is much more criminal activity then we are aware of.

    Liked by 13 people

    • Perot Conservative says:

      John Solomon says we only know 30% of the story.

      Where did all the Clinton Foundation money go?

      Where did all of the CASH to Iran go? Unmarked foreign currency, really??!!

      Where ate the Comey, Clapper, McCabe, Holder, Lynch, Rice, Brennan, Yates, etc. emails and texts?

      Never before has any Justice Department ever had so much EXTEMPORANEOUS, LIVE HARD EVIDENCE … IT SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK!!!

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  9. dwpender says:

    My bet is that we won’t see the (as Dobbs called it) long awaited, much ballyhooed IG Report(s) (on Comey alone and/or the FISA abuse one) until the Fall.

    Sundance — Great job compiling the list and periodically reminding TPTB they WE DO CARE. We have a right to know

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  10. Perot Conservative says:

    INDICT COMEY!

    INDICT MCCABE!

    Make the rats squirm.

    Liked by 7 people

    • L4grasshopper says:

      What is needed is to get some of these people into a Court so that discovery happens, testimony under oath happens, and cross examination happens.

      Liked by 2 people

  11. jackphatz says:

    This would not matter much to us If we had one iota of confidence that justice…any, some, total… will be done. Right now there is no reason to believe that the guilty parties will be punished.

    Liked by 8 people

    • Rhoda R says:

      I just finished reading Powell’s ‘License to Lie.” Depressing. I’m now becoming more convinced that CWII is going to be the only way to clean up this mess.

      Liked by 2 people

      • littleanniefannie says:

        But there was no PDJT as the go to guy then. He is a fighter. The idiots don’t realize it yet but they really screwed up going after the kids. If they really want a fight, go after Barron. Melania will go rogue on them in a way they never imagined. She will neuter the bunch (not that they haven’t already been) with her bare hands and zero remorse. As our President said, it is one thing to go after him, but entirely different to go after the family.
        We have, inarguably, the most beautiful FLOTUS in history and the media treat her like Cinderella after treating the last first person as royalty. Michelle and beauty can never be mentioned in a sentence unless that sentence is about antonyms!

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        • fabrabbit says:

          annie: Thank you for mentioning beautiful Melania. The image I have of her “going rogue” on them is that she is impeccably dressed with six inch Louboutin heels.

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    • I’d almost settle for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

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    • Saul says:

      Jackphatz- The “DEEP” State has been in operation for hundred of years and behind them those in power have been in for thousands of years. Do you really think this all goes down in just a few weeks? Moves and Countermoves are being made- I like you want all this exposed and for the traitors to be brought to justice but i also take a step back and think logically that this war is not a simple war.. Hence the name the DEEP state. Also got to factor in the fact that Millions and the Majority of the publoc dont have the knowledge we have of the DEEP state- Imagine the chaos this would bring if it was all released in just a big dump. This last part of the operation has to be done as slowly and as surgically as possible it is in our best interest!

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  12. The Demon Slick says:

    Much is justified by the deep state by claiming that the Russians hacked into the dnc computers. Except that never actually happened. I think Barr should make it a priority to debunk this huge false narrative. That exposes the other actions they justified by claiming it happened. Most of it will fall apart once this truth is known.

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    • TPW says:

      I agree ……one simple solution that makes the whole thing fall apart and if Barr won’t even do this and tries to distract ….then he is not a friend.

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  13. TradeBait says:

    I hope they understand there is no stalling this out until deplorables forget about it. That. Ain’t. Happenin’.

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  14. pgroup says:

    Virtually all of these documents were classified in violation of the executive order issued by BHO which stated that classification could only be used to protect secrets of the USA, not wrongdoing by officials. So it seems that the correct legal course of action would be to declare that all classifications done during this affair are void and that AG Barr would be revealing those documents publicly after determining the each one is not critical to prosecution of wrongdoers.

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  15. Mark L. says:

    In a banana republic, the bodies would have been buried a long time ago.

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  16. RJ says:

    Let’s have a hair splitting contest, the winner is the lawyer who can split a hair into the most pieces–with no time limit. Keep in mind the “no time limit” gambit. Lawyers just doing their jobs…what’s to worry?

    Lawyers just “living the dream” on behalf of most of us. Obama laughs, Hillary makes another toast, Brennan works on his smile, Comey downloads historical Pope clothing, while Lisa Page seeks another date with a mystery man. What could go wrong?

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  17. modustollenz says:

    This is too important to blow over. I have a bad feeling that it will in the end. I am impatient and I realize that being so is perhaps at odds with what would be the best approach for bringing justice to those that committed serious crimes. However, with each passing day, I believe that the chances of ever seeing ANYONE held accountable for treason grows less and less. There should be enough evidence now available to Barr to unleash hell on these bastards. Doing so now probably means that we don’t get to fry all the fish but at least we don’t go away hungry! If this does end without many people going to prison, it will be among the biggest miscarriages of justice in the history of our Republic and greatly increases the chance of continued abuse of power.

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    • TPW says:

      I just don’t see how PT will let this go……they will come after him and his Family after office if He doesn’t lay out all the corruption….and I pray he will never cut a deal with them thinking they will hold up their end.

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      • Dekester says:

        TPW, agreed. There is no way PDJT gives this up.

        Last nights rally was fabulously entertaining. However, the highlight for me was PDJT telling the world they went after his FAMILY etc.

        PDJT is a true papa bear. He knows what he does now ensures safety for his family, and the American people, long after he is gone.

        God bless PDJT

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      • FrankieZee says:

        I have said that many times before. If Trump does not destroy them now, they will destroy him and his entire family and everything he has built up after he leaves office. And I think he knows that. Trump is not looking for one scalp, he wants the entire tribe and the chiefs.

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    • I think there are too many Republicans involved, and too much risk to the IC for the truth to come out.

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    • Zorro says:

      ” it will be among the biggest miscarriages of justice in the history of our Republic and greatly increases the chance of continued abuse of power.”

      If there is no justice the Republic ends and the continued abuse of power becomes integrated with the new totalitarian Demosocialist state.

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    • Issy says:

      It will assure the continued abuse of power.

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  18. dawg says:

    The primary objective of “Trump/Russia collusion” was to cover up the crimes of Obama, Hillary et al. Considering the vast majority of Americans are completely in the dark about the crimes committed by the previous administration, it seems they have achieved their objective. And given the amount of time that has passed since then, its unclear what declassification of these documents will even produce, given the lack of will to prosecute anyone who has been shown to have committed those crimes, from either the DOJ or either side of the aisle.

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  19. I suggest that all of us need to pause and consider exactly what “declassification” was probably for. It was probably to allow the materials to be presented to a Grand Jury, which as we all know operates under conditions of profound secrecy, but which probably does not consist of people having government security clearances. Barr now has the legal authority to make the materials available for inspection by such a Jury.

    “Disclosure to the general public” is an entirely different matter, with an entirely different set of expectations and legal risks. For one thing, it would open matters to “the court of public opinion,” possibly enabling future defense attorneys to insist that their clients cannot get a fair trial because an un-biased jury cannot be found.

    I believe that William Barr is extremely cognizant of these angles, and I choose to trust his leadership in these vital matters – frustrated and impatient though I, too might be.

    I cordially disagree with Sundance’s push for public disclosure of these materials – at least, at this point in time. We know that these probable-defendants will employ the very best defense attorneys that their considerable money can buy. We know also that they will marshal a willing and complicit Press. “We, the People have one very clear shot at this,” and we must make the most of it. Knowledge Is Power.™

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    • Ray Runge says:

      Please assume my agreement with the valid rationale for the documents to remain away from the prying eyes of John Q Public.

      SO, what is a reasonable time frame to expect the objective progress of grand jury subpoenas and indictments? Some of Devin Nunes’ criminal referrals were well put together upon arrival at the Barr DoJ.

      As previously noted, The POTUS Trump DoJ is batting 00.000 for any indictments of anyone participating in any manner in the coup attempt.

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      • “Basically, you are not privileged to know.” None of us are, and this has nothing to do with classification of documents. The Jury meets in secret – even its existence is secret. Every aspect of its deliberations is secret. If it returns an indictment, only that is public.

        If Barr and his prosecutors make the slightest mis-step, the most expensive defense attorneys on the planet will be the ones exploiting it. The Juries are shown formerly-classified information that no one else can know, including us. Arguments that they were biased by contemporaneous public opinion are defeated because “we don’t know.” If indictments are handed down, they are indeed the decision of the Jury. The trials can proceed forward.

        Now, defense attorneys begin to demand access to the documents, and since they are unclassified, they can be provided … subject, nonetheless, to possible redaction. As they are provided to the defense, they probably will become public.

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        • Ray Runge says:

          You display PTSD in your line of thinking. Mueller et. Al abused many hallmarks in the practice of legal investigation and with impunity. I believe in the rhetoric that labels Comey and the gang as a Deep State Cabal. Our task is to have the fortitude to throw the self entitled jerks in a muddy pit.

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        • fabrabbit says:

          Gee, Mike R. This is the second time I have agreed with you.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      I suggest that all of us need to pause and consider exactly what “declassification” was probably for

      EXACTLY.
      To allow Barr total access to any and all material he would request.

      There are literally NO GROUNDS that anyone can deny him.

      If he is authorized FULL AND COMPLETE authority to DECLASSIFY it by definition means…..

      He has FULL AND COMPLETE AUTHORITY to DEMAND, RETRIEVE and VIEW them.
      And disperse them as he see fit.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Another bit about Barr’s authority……

        If Mueller is required to testify,
        Remember Mueller was operating as Special Counsel appointment of DOJ.
        Barr runs the DOJ and has full declass authority
        meaning…….

        He can clear topics that Mueller can openly testify about.
        (It would be Barr’s DOJ lawyers sitting next to Mueller)

        The hiding places diminish:

        “I can’t testify about that it an open setting”
        “It’s an ongoing investigation”
        “Sources and methods”

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    • Battleship Wisconsin says:

      Mike Robinson: ‘I cordially disagree with Sundance’s push for public disclosure of these materials – at least, at this point in time. We know that these probable-defendants will employ the very best defense attorneys that their considerable money can buy. We know also that they will marshal a willing and complicit Press. “We, the People have one very clear shot at this,” and we must make the most of it. Knowledge Is Power.™ ‘

      Let’s assume for purposes of argument that William Barr is a true white hat with only minimal shades of gray in the hat’s color mix. If this is the case, then the timing of declassification is certainly important, politically and legally. But what about public release after declassification?

      Can the public release of declassified documents be delayed if the goal is to indict at least one major figure — say Brennan or Comey — as a means of starting the ball rolling in educating the public as to what happened with Spygate, and also as a means of testing the waters to see what kind of defensive strategies the perpetrators, their lawyers, and their defenders in the Congress and in the press will be taking?

      Suppose the Democrats in the House of Representatives cave in to the radicals and start getting truly serious about impeaching the president. If the Democrats begin using a serious threat of impeachment as a direct, unambiguous, and purposeful means of defending the Spygate perpetrators — and themselves by inference — how would that development impact AG Barr’s decision as to what declassified Spygate material should be released publicly, and when?

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    • Issy says:

      “Matters” have been open to the court of public opinion for quite some time. I’m sure there are other matters worse than what we already know. I have no faith in our justice system to do much of anything unless it is all put in the court of public opinion. As for impaneling an unbiased jury, good luck with that.

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      • V says:

        And further, truth does not cause bias.

        In the absence of truth, a jury becomes biased by the MSM lies that they are already subjected to.

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      • fabrabbit says:

        Issy: Valid point but who is going to report the content of the declassified documents to the general public? The likes of CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the fake media!

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  20. John-Y128 says:

    Sorry SD, they’ll never release your whole list, DOJ will only publically release documents that directly support who ever the ‘fall guy’ turns out to be. I’m guessing Comey. Brennan and DNI Clapper will probably escape, along with Dept. of State employees. AG Barr isn’t going to blow up the whole system, he’s trying to re-establish its legitimacy with the citizens. Not to mention less than 50% of eligible voters believe Obama’s administration did anything wrong in the first place and probably won’t accept Barr and Durham’s ‘investigation of the investigators’, they certainly won’t take DJT side.

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    • John, I remain confident that William Barr will uphold our expectations. He is only the second person in American history who has served as Attorney General twice. (The first person’s term was interrupted by the Civil War.) He was obviously called back to do this. He doesn’t need the money and doesn’t need the extreme headache. Yet he made it very clear that he knew he would be doing this in “hyper-political times.” He signed up anyway.

      Likewise I do not share your pessimism of “the great unwashed,” nor your apparent faith in poll results.

      (Note: please do not take any of this post in any way “personally.” We are merely gathered at the water cooler …)

      I suspect that the “perps” never really considered that, in this electronic age, they left a digital trail a thousand miles wide. And that people within both the Justice and the Intelligence worlds were just patiently waiting for a President who wanted to seek out the truth and who would authorize them to at last come forward with what they always knew. No, “this isn’t ‘politics’ any more.”

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        You are utterly correct with one huge point.

        NEVER BEFORE has such a live, extemporaneously, in-the-moment paper / electronic trail been left for all IC, NSA, and DOJ to see. ALL of the players …

        1. Texts – real time
        2. Email – real time
        3. Comey Fake Confession memos
        4. Computer hard drives
        5. Electronic calendars
        6. Smart phone GPS locations – RT
        7. International corroboration
        8. Weismann Report chock full of lies and half truths
        9. Clinton Foundation financials
        10. Perkins Coie middlemen
        11. Presidential Daily Briefings
        12. Fradulent, Felonious Conspiracy Coup
        13. Huma / Carlos Danger / Awan laptops
        14. Five documented Whistleblowers from 2018 and before
        15. New Whistleblowers
        16. Brennan interagency Coup Collaboration documents
        17. Page-Strzok Roadmap Texts
        18. NSA Backups -on all of the above

        If Huber wasn’t a head fake, he could have been compiling all of this for a year.

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      • fabrabbit says:

        …a thousand miles wide? Then where are the Hillary emails?

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      • John-Y128 says:

        AG Barr is there for the ‘Institutions’ not Justice. I didn’t call anyone ‘unwashed’ nor did I mention a ‘poll’, HRC won the popular votes, at around the 50% of those cast.

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    • antiqueiron says:

      Barr has to blow up the whole system to bring justice, because this goes all the way up the ladder to obama. What happens depends on what Barr’s end game is. I currently have no confidence that he wants to do anything other than restore the public reputation of the DoJ. I have doubts about what Trump really wants as well. Remember, he said he was going to let Killery off Scott free. I’ve had to back away from all this because I’m so very disgusted about how this has been handled so far. ALL the declassified materials should have been released to the public the same day Trump ordered them declassified. This continued delay & non MOAB, declass fizzle is very, very disheartening to me. I want perp walks now. Not maybe this fall. Right now. Today would be fine. And not mere underlings either, such as Strok & Page. I don’t even care about them. Comey?, pfft. He’s small fry. I wanna see Jarrett, Brennan, Clapper, Rice, Power, Holder etc. high level people in orange jump suits. Then I wanna see obama and both clintons go up the river. I wanna see W on the hot seat as well. He’s not squeaky clean either. He crashed the economy for obama. I at the very LEAST want to see the Clintons prosecuted this Summer! The deep state is trying to run out the clock, again. And here we sit. Again. Waiting for the justice that never quite seems to materialize. Oh, it’s just around the corner. Tic Tock. Yeah, sure.

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      • pgroup says:

        DJT’s statement about ‘bygones be bygones’ regarding HRC was a peace offering, as he often does in a dispute. However, she rejected it opting instead to go on more offense than previously.

        A rejected offer is an offer that never materialized. She will not like the results of her rejection because DJT is going to let Bulldog Barr go after her with zero mercy shown.

        Time to buy popcorn futures IMO.

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      • jbowen82 says:

        Unindicted co-conspirator is the best we’ll get with Obama and probably Hillary. PDT is going to want to avoid the banana republic precedent of prosecuting the party out of office.

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        • LafnH20 says:

          No one is above the law…
          🤔
          Unless you are “Somehow” connected to the party out of power.

          So, now we have a 3 tier legal system??

          What if an “acquaintance” of the party “Really, Really, Really (pinky swear)” thought it was ok… cuz

          4 tier??

          Any one over 6′ 4″??

          5 tier???

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        • antiqueiron says:

          If that is the case, then we have done all this for nothing.

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          • jbowen82 says:

            Sometimes the right decision is not to press the advantage when you could, but let the shamed loser salvage some dignity for the greater good. I think of Grant’s agreement with Lee’s request to allow the Confederate soldiers to keep their horses and sidearms. We don’t need to put a failed former President in jail and further divide the country, maybe irreparably, as his millions of supporters take to the street like the OJ trial times ten. There are no good outcomes here, only some outcomes that are less bad than others.

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            • antiqueiron says:

              I do see your point. However, it is very necessary to publicly prove & expose every crime obama committed & punish all his former administration to the fullest extent. The public must be made aware of the illegitimacy of obama & his administration & the enormity of the crimes committed. If that causes civil unrest, so be it. There are more important considerations involved. If any of the deep state remains viable, our country will never again be what it once was. Every good thing Trump has done so far will be wiped out in future administrations.

              Plus, if Trump decides not to pursue them, the past two years will continue even IF he is by some miracle reelected in 2020. And when out of office, he & his entire family will be hounded forever if not jailed outright.

              The clinton crime family must be put away, and very soon. This year is a must. It was a campaign promise that cannot be broken. Both clintons must do hard prison time, no matter what the consequences are. And it cannot wait until a second term. I really have no hope that any of this will happen. I get the sense that Trump would call off Barr if congress would promise to stop all investigations. If that would happen, my support of Trump would end.

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      • John-Y128 says:

        ‘Blowing up the whole system’ isn’t going to happen, that’s why the establishment brought in AG Barr.

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        • antiqueiron says:

          If it doesn’t, then this has all been for nothing. To eradicate the deep state, it has to be blown up. If the deep state remains at all viable, then about four minutes after Trump leaves office, the country will revert right back to 2015.

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  21. JohnCarlson says:

    Those of the ‘Deep State’, and they are embedded all over like lice, will always do all they can to keep The People as blind and as deaf as possible.

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  22. Gil Stonebarger says:

    I know that it is verboten to mention any criticism of TPTB, but I am really struggling to see ANY light ay the end of the tunnel. It’s excuse after excuse and delay after delay……if the proof is so overwhelming and incontrovertible…..why not make a raid or two Mr Barr? It worked for mueller…..all these delays and inaction are doing is enrage and push the nuts out there to do some dangerous things. I am very afraid this is just a giant CYA exercise by all involved.

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    • JohnCarlson says:

      What is TPTB, por favor? Animal, vegetable or mineral?

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      .why not make a raid or two Mr Barr? It worked for mueller…

      Actually they really didn’t work for Mueller.
      Like the “Russian Indictments” they were nothing but SHOW.

      Manafort’s raid produced nothing……Judge Ellis even said the charges were based on a decade old DECLINED prosecution.

      Stone’s raid produced nothing either…..except a pissed off Stone asking for the gov to produce their “proof” of a Russian hack,

      I’ll take a serious TRUE BILL from a grand jury over another dumb SHINY OBJECT that gives the MSM a CHAFFGASM.

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  23. fanbeav says:

    At this point, I would forego jail time for these miscreants in lieu of public admittance of a coup attempt that every network must cover. Otherwise it becomes a Republican “Conspiracy Theory”!

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  24. Dad says:

    1) Charges
    2) Public Denial
    3) Evidence

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  25. Trent Telenko says:

    Nothing will be declassified until after Labor day in September 2019.

    It is the start of the Presidential primary silly season.

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    • No, that is what a politician would do – not this Attorney General. I think that he is going to move forward with what some might consider “maddening slowness” until every one of the indictments is truly ready. He will release them without regard for political timing. He isn’t a politician and he doesn’t work for one. (No, not really. Trump isn’t going to “press” this matter for political advantage. He doesn’t need to.)

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      • Rhoda R says:

        It is going to be difficult enough to try any of these cases in DC or NVA without rushing into something ill prepared.

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        • pgroup says:

          Utah is the location of NSA server farm, through which virtually all electronic communications pass. That is the jurisdiction. Home of a lot of Mormons which is one of the reasons that DJT goes easy on Mittens. Fair but hanging juries are easy to find.

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  26. Bogeyfree says:

    So a couple of days ago, the NSA Whistleblower sends Tracy Beanz an e-mail stating….

    “We breached the NYT network servers in FBI/CIA/NSA domestic surveillance programs I worked in more than once collecting information on their management and employees including reporters

    Calling AG Barr is this a crime??? Hello, you are the top law enforcement officer in the land. You have 47 hard drives sitting in your FBI evidence room since Dec 2015!

    Do you think you might find the time to look at them and talk with Mr. Montgomery??

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  27. For Eyes says:

    At what point did publicly available information become inadmissible in court?

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    • FYI: “publicly” available information can be a real problem in a Court.

      “Your Honor, all charges against my client should be discharged because it is no longer possible for an impartial jury to be convened to hear the charges against him.”

      It has happened before . . . favorite mob-boss trick.

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      • For Eyes says:

        So then all Congressional hearings should be killed off or held behind closed doors.

        So then sites like this one should be shut down.

        So then heroes like Judicial Watch should not have their FOIA requests honored, so that they will be see the light of day.

        So then the press should have gag orders about publishing anything on the topics at hand.

        This risk is honored more in the breach then in the observance.

        Which creates the appearance of a convenient excuse.

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        • “Nonsense,” (he said, very politely).

          Public opinion is one thing – sites like this one, the free press, etcetera. Formerly-classified facts are another. Given that you are going to base your criminal cases on these facts, but first you must obtain a bulletproof Grand Jury indictment, exactly what would you do with them?

          If you release them to the hungry public, ten thousand Internet articles are going to be written in a fortnight. Now, every person in the world will form some kind of opinion, all of it based on the same information that you intend to present as evidence. Defense attorneys will eat your lunch. We don’t want these perps walking free on a technicality, knowing that we’ll never catch them again.

          Therefore, you are instead circumspect. You release them to the Grand Jury, knowing that it meets in Secret and that all of its work products and deliberations are also Secret, save only for any Indictments that it may (or may not) produce. You know that you can do this safely, without compromising the subsequent trial as any public disclosure of the same materials would inevitably do.

          No, I think that there are very sound reasons behind (what I predict to be …) William Barr’s approach – frustrating though this might be to all the rest of us including Sundance.

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          • I, like others on this thread, am skeptical but I appreciate your analysis and hope you are correct.

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          • For Eyes says:

            OK then Yoda, Trump said he’d order a declassification anytime Barr asked him to. Shortly thereafter he made the order.

            So just why did Barr ask him to? Surely Barr is aware of your legal argument.

            Creating this “declass interuptus” has served no visible purpose other than to anger and confuse the base.

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            • Trump was extremely, extremely smart: he authorized the declassification, and placed the entire authority for doing so in the singular person of William Barr … not himself.

              Barr made the request, I think, not only because he was probably getting push-back from the various self defensive agencies, but also because of the use that he would necessarily have to make of the materials which he obtained. Namely, he must present them to Grand Juries composed of citizens. Only if the materials could be “declassified” could he legally present them to any such Jury.

              In our system of law, actual criminal indictments that lead to trial are not handed down by the Department of Justice nor any other government department: they are handed down by ordinary citizens.

              Carefully read, you can see that Trump’s order indeed consists of two parts: first, the declassification authority aforementioned, and second, the institutional order to comply. These two aspects are unrelated. Both are essential.

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              • For Eyes says:

                So are you maintaining the material has been declassified but not released?

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              • Beau Geste says:

                PDJT ordered declassification a LONG time ago, and was promised “expedited” processing. Maybe he forgot? Or the “expediters” forgot?

                The drip, drip, drip is not fast enough to keep the interest of the general voting public, or start the slow process of educating voting citizens about the wrongdoing and lies.

                Judicial Watch is doing a much better job of informing voters.

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              • Ray Runge says:

                My measuring stick requires that Chris Wray be exposed as the Deep State defender that he displays daily.

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            • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

              So just why did Barr ask him to?

              So that no agency or department can deny Barr’s request for information.
              No EXCUSES
              No “ongoing investigation”
              No “it’s classified”
              No “sources and methods”
              No “you don’t have the proper clearance”

              The President BY ORDER gave Barr ‘full and complete’ declassification AUTHORITY.
              Of course to declassify anything means he is authorized to SEE IT.
              Which by definition means NONE of the below agencies can refuse him.

              (note below Dept of Energy and Dept of Treasury—-Barr REQUESTED THESE)

              The White House
              Office of the Press Secretary
              FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
              May 23, 2019
              May 23, 2019

              MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE
              THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY
              THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
              THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
              THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY
              THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
              THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
              THE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY

              SUBJECT: Agency Cooperation with Attorney General’s Review of Intelligence Activities Relating to the 2016 Presidential Campaigns

              By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:
              Section 1. Agency Cooperation.
              The Attorney General is currently conducting a review of intelligence activities relating to the campaigns in the 2016 Presidential election and certain related matters. The heads of elements of the intelligence community, as defined in 50 U.S.C. 3003(4), and the heads of each department or agency that includes an element of the intelligence community shall promptly provide such assistance and information as the Attorney General may request in connection with that review.

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        So where are the OIR reports on Comey and the 50-100 FBI employees caught leaking and taking bribes?

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        • Beau Geste says:

          Secret bribe sources and methods, can’t be revealed. It is like the secret, true wholesale cost of a new car. If the ordinary briber knew the going rate for getting classified materials leaked, there would be less opportunity for profit.
          There are methods to the madness of FBI leaks.

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  28. Newhere says:

    The longer the anti-Trump conspiracy investigation goes on, the more an inherent contradiction we’ve been forced to live with becomes obvious and inescapable: the investigation is quite literally chasing itself and must one day catch up, if justice actually is to be done. The fact that purported accountability has crept along at a glacial pace — delay after delay after delay while manifest criminality goes unchecked and perpetrators rake in profits from book sales and talk shows — is no less a part of the scandal than core spy/set-up activities we’ve been promised will one day result in indictments. At some point, it has to catch up with itself — that is, law enforcement must acknowledge and hold to account the very actions and actors that continue to obstruct and obfuscate in real time.

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  29. spinoneone says:

    There is more coming. This is up at “The Hill”, and we all know John Solomon is a first class investigative reporter. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/449206-fbi-warned-early-and-often-that-manafort-file-might-be-fake-used-it-anyway

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    • Newhere says:

      There is always more coming. At this point, it just makes me more frustrated, because it seems information is being controlled and meted out for some hidden purpose, that may or may not be the justice that’s promised. Games. Whatever the outcome, the years-long “tick-tock” must never have to happen again.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Well he’s tied into to sources moreso than anything else is what I figure.

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  30. Chilidog says:

    Don’t forget. Durham is conducting a “review,” not an investigation.

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    • fanbeav says:

      So why then did we hire a pit bull prosecutor from CT? The normal IG could have handled a “review”.

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    • Newhere says:

      Yeah, WTH is the deal with that. Why say anything at all. Just get on with it.

      And Sara/Sean/Solomon might as well stop making any timing predictions. How many times have we heard “soon” or “weeks not months.” Not their fault. But I’m ready to throw shoes at the tv.

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    • sundance says:

      Durham can’t do an “investigation” or else he becomes a witness.

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      • Chilidog says:

        Doesn’t there need to be an investigation in order to issue subpoenas and to impanel a grand jury? What is the downside to Durham being a witness?

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Durham would become a witness or the IG?
        Confused.

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      • Beau Geste says:

        You mean a witness like mewler, for congressional subpoena?
        Otherwise, all prosecuting attorneys would be “witnesses”. If they are witnesses, they must recuse themselves from the cases. All prosecuting attorneys do not recuse themselves from all their cases?

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    • LafnH20 says:

      Do completed “Reviews” get placed in the personnel file, or the “Circular” file?

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  31. Albertus Magnus says:

    Last night, it appeared to me that PDJT is basing a lot of his re-election rhetoric on immigration and on draining the swamp.

    it is a GREAT strategy and one the American people strongly support but ONLY if there is follow through. Next year, if we are STILL hearing tick-tock, release the documents, build the wall, Mexico better …, then the DEMS are going to win.

    If these repeated promises get kept, then PDJT will get a GOP Congress, increased seats in the Senate and 4 more years.

    Proof is in the pudding.

    In my opinion.

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    • antiqueiron says:

      Last night, I expected an all new stump speech. What I saw was the same old stuff. Don’t get me wrong, it’s REALLY good stuff! But nothing new there. I wanted to hear HIM say. “lock her up!” I wanted more. I wanted to hear “just wait, justice is coming.” I wanted encouragement, not yet another rehash about how great the economy is, or how low black unemployment is etc. He even mentioned curing Cancer. Was he mocking Sleepy, Creepy Joe or ? I really thought he’d have a new 2020, socialist killer speech ready for last night.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        Dude
        He was announcing his reelection campaign.
        (Which even the faux media is forced to at least acknowledge)

        He should spend that time telling people why they should REELECT him.
        Typically your ACCOMPLISHMENTS are the main reasons you give, followed by what you plan to do.

        Also, He DID talk about HRC’s computer cleaning habits and he did talk about Barr

        And there are 18 more months to go……I’m fairly certain he’ll make another speech or two.

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    • Newhere says:

      President Trump can’t afford “institutional protectors” because his credibility is on the line — not that he would abide them anyway. But battle lines are drawn, and only one political side wins. Either the side standing for truth, or the criminals, with the aid of a cover up in plain sight. There is no sweeping under the rug. If the wrong side wins, it will be known and remembered; and if the would-be protectors of our vaunted institutions *truly* are acting for the good of the republic, they would understand this, and grasp that “protecting” can’t mean now what it has meant in the past — i.e., hide the wrong-doing — because it is already known; the only play left for genuine institutional guardians is transparency with dignity: full, unflinching, without fear or favor.

      Trump’s ongoing narration (validation) of the coup attempt makes it impossible to “move past it” without a reckoning. If there is no reckoning, we (as a nation) will not move past it. No one knows what the other side of that looks like. But, like 9/11 and other history-changing events, there forevermore will be a BEFORE and an AFTER.

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    • Stickboy says:

      “it is a GREAT strategy and one the American people strongly support but ONLY if there is follow through. Next year, if we are STILL hearing tick-tock, release the documents, build the wall, Mexico better …, then the DEMS are going to win.”

      If that’s the case, and the Dems get back into power……then there are truly a lot of extremely stupid people who probably shouldn’t be left to their own devices.

      These constant threats that Trump better deliver, or he’s gonna get kicked out, are just so much garbage. Are people really so stupid that they think things would be better under the thumb of the Democrats?

      Actually, there probably are enough morons who think like that, enough dummies to get all angered at Trump……and end up pissing in their own bed, and everyone else’s.

      “Oh, ya, I’ll fix Trump’s lil red wagon……I’ll show him real good”.

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      • Newhere says:

        Trump’s supporters are all in. Supporters understand he’s fighting. The “tick tock” is more swamp games. I believe the MAGA movement will do everything possible to give Trump his two terms to see this through. Everyone’s just frustrated. If in the end, after two terms, all there is to show for the MAGA agenda is a long series of delay — well, the effects will ripple into the future from there.

        But honestly, when you really think about it, I just don’t see how potential failures ever blow back on Trump. What, he fought for the presidency just to string along a throng of fervent followers, while enduring constant, serious threat to his family and liberty — all for kicks? All just because?

        If Trump’s presidency doesn’t deliver, it’s an indictment of the swamp, not Trump. The MAGA movement will step up in 2020, despite the frustrations. As you point out, what, really, is the alternative?

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      • Albertus Magnus says:

        If you are implying that I am angry with PDJT, you are badly mistaken. What I AM saying is that his stump speech is AWESOME of he delivers. But IF he is going to campaign on 2016 promises, they need to be KEPT promises.

        I personally do not care strongly about immigration or locking them up myself. I care about MAGANOMICS, the prolife issue and religious liberty which means I support conservative judges. Everything else is gravy for me.

        There is NOTHING that PDJT can do to lose my support. But most people get tired of Lucy pulling the football back. If his hands are tied on immigration and draining the swamp, he shouldn’t raise people’s expectations about delivering if it isn’t going to happen. And so far, all I see on those two issues, is hoping and praying and wishing. And I don’t blame him at all but that is all I see.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      Where are the deportations?

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    • Amy2 says:

      Rhetoric? “Skill in the effective use of speech,” or “the undue use of exaggeration or display”?

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  32. Hal_S says:

    Helps to think strategically, not tactically.
    – February 23, 1991; Iraq; a USAF plane drops a massive fuel-air bomb (BLU-82?), a
    non-nuclear bomb that detonates with a blinding flash across the desert, and a mushroom cloud.
    Effectively all of Iraq’s command and control centers break radio silence to phone in the information that war has started and it seems the Americans are using nuclear weapons.
    – A few minutes later, effectively all of Iraq’s command and control centers cease to exist because they were identified, targeted and fired upon as soon as they broke radio silence.

    Barr is giving everyone in the path of his investigation time to create a paper trail.

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    • antiqueiron says:

      He already has all the paper trail he needs. All this has already been investigated to death. The evidence is clear. The public info alone is enough to put them all behind bars. No more excuses. No more delays. Patience is long gone.

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      • Well, “the next step is a Grand Jury.” We may presume that such Juries have already been convened although even the existence(!) of a Grand Jury is secret … even in your home town. If the Jury hands down an indictment, there must be absolutely no possibility for a very wealthy Defense Attorney to charge that the Jury’s decision was biased by prevailing public opinion.

        I submit that materials are declassified – not to submit them to us, but to submit them to a Grand Jury that necessarily consists of people who would not have the necessary (extremely high-grade …) security clearances.

        I really don’t expect to see any of the materials be publicly disclosed … not anytime soon, and maybe not at all.

        Bear in mind also that, even if the materials are “declassified,” they still very likely would be redacted.

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        • Perot Conservative says:

          George Papadalolous said he already appeared before a Grand Jury on Fox News the past few weeks.

          Claims a GJ seated in Arkansas a year ago, Cody Hiland PA.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Not sure why people think this should take Barr a long time.
      Look at all he has managed to do in just 4 months.

      Mueller’s/RR goal was the PURPOSEFUL “slow roll”
      and Barr totally F’D up a 2 year plan in a WEEKEND.

      None of these “crimes” are DEEP.nor HIDDEN all that well
      WE’VE READ ABOUT THEM ALL ON A BLOG
      The cabal’s “rug” they’ve been sweeping things under is threadbare and see-through

      All Barr needs to do is pull it back.
      Hell it might just disintegrate with the slightest tug.

      There was alot of momentum going the other way.
      Barr has stopped that dead in it’s tracks and is now reversing course.
      We SHOULDN”T have to wait long to find out if Barr is overcoming inertia and gaining momentum the other way.
      or
      simply creating an all new rug.

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  33. gunrunner03 says:

    I’d love to see these guys/gals ID’d by SD in orange jumpsuits. But we’ve had three AG’s under PDJT and zero indictments. ZERO. Always a reason or an excuse. It’s a shell game, a con, ain’t nothing happening to nobody. I’ll be happy to retract when the first indictment is brought forth.

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  34. fanbeav says:

    I am still waiting for Mrs. Lindsay Graham’s hearings!

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    • snarkybeach says:

      Hope you aren’t holding your breath. Miss Lindsey Swampthing is too busy swanning about on TV to hold hearings…

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  35. mg says:

    One cannot trust anyone from the department of just us.
    Barr is a boooosh crony.

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  36. Charlotte Powell Brooks says:

    Since all of this witch hunt comes from a make believe fantasy world, nothing is legally qualified as classified or secret. Therefore, there is no need to declassify for release. Nothing should be redacted to protect method and sources because no real counterintelligence, conspiracy, obstruction investigation took place. IMHO.

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  37. Curious says:

    The MSM would ignore any documents made public anyway.

    I’m good with the knowledge that the coup plotters can’t use the fact that the evidence against them is classified to get away with it.

    As long as justice is served, I’m good.

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  38. 1970novass396 says:

    As of today there is no rule of law in DC. Can that change? For 8 years the Obama/Clinton Cabal did everything and anything they wanted without fear of the Democrats ever losing another Presidential election. Then she lost. Can they put Jack back into the Box? How can Barr bring rule of law back into play in DC unless he sends elites to jail.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      If I were a rich man, I’d embarrass them in DC.

      I’d rent those giant billboard trucks, and drive them through DC, Foggy Bottom, DuPont Circle, K Street Mall at lunch time.

      Clever, biting references to their lawlessness. Two tiers of Justice. Banana Republic.

      Then in the tony suburbs.

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  39. Stickboy says:

    I know one thing for sure.

    Documents will be released, or they won’t……..it ain’t like any citizens have a say in the matter. I don’t get the day, after day, after day, discussions on this, it isn’t up to the people as to whether or not anything is done.

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  40. k4jjj says:

    Why can’t we just go back to hiding our heads in the sand? We were happier. Holding federal employees accountable and sending them to prison for their crimes is hard, thankless work.

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  41. Justin Green says:

    Not an attorney, but I’m not sure that all of those couldn’t be considered 6E material.

    Besides, releasing it prior to any legal action subjects Barr to the accusation that his moves are purely political.

    Unsatisfying, to say the least.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Further, even if they’re not 6e material, the defending lawyer is going to argue it was and create a mess anyway. Then, if it is a liberal judge taking an overly broad view of 6e material, then you risk losing your case when there was no need to in the first place.

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    • Justin Green says:

      Suffice to say, it is uber-prudent of Barr not to release things yet, if he or Durham intend to ever convene a grand jury.

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      • I am quite sure that they have already convened a great many of them.

        But, this is pure-speculation on my part. Even in your own home town, “the accused has no knowledge nor right to interfere with their proceedings.” You don’t get to know even that the Grand Jury has been convened. Every aspect of their operation is secret unless they deign to return a “true bill.” And even then only their indictment is public.

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  42. No, Sundance, I would not release one damned thing(!) to “the General Public.” No, not yet. Convene the Grand Juries. Show them the materials, knowing that they’re still safe. Get indictments that no defense attorney can contest. This is going to be the biggest legal fight of the Department’s life, and money is no object for the accused. Every preparation must be perfect. As desperately as the public wants to know – and, deserves to know – this should not be done if it gives the accused the slightest angle through which to escape.

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    • Perot Conservative says:

      George Papadalolous said he already appeared before a Grand Jury.

      We’ll see. 80% of OIG referrals aten’t inducted. Two tiers of justice for liberals in DC.

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      • Yes, he can acknowledge that he appeared. (And that’s about it …) But a Grand Jury’s very existence is secret because the accused is Presumed Innocent. All of the evidence presented, all of the deliberations, all are Secret. But defense attorneys can charge that the Jury’s indictment decision was biased. They can do all sorts of strange things to get their client off on a technicality. If any of the information that is made available to the Jury is contemporaneously made available to the Public, an enormous hole would be opened through which to do exactly that. We’ve got exactly one clear chance to catch these b*stards.

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    • Esther says:

      Mike, I cannot say I agree with your approach.
      As the DOJ no stands, even with AG Barr the corruption casts a putrid smell over lady Justice. It is not possible for the DOJ to investigate and prosecute itself. This matter needs to be handled by military tribunals. As it now stands the fox is still guarding the hens. Waiting to hear AG Barr announced referrals to military tribunals. But not jusst any branch of the military either. That’s when I will believe justice will be swift and most likely equal.

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  43. DesertRain says:

    And yet another surfacing of mysterious relationships involving Marc Elias, Perkins Coie, Priorities USA, wealthy Ukrainians, 2016 US Voter Data

    https://freebeacon.com/issues/emails-fbi-dhs-contacted-over-stealth-dem-effort-to-gain-voter-data/

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  44. CM-TX says:

    Just another PHASE in the coordinated effort to SHIELD the evidence, providing lots of NEW excuses for DELAYS. They really BELIEVE if they continue to CONCEAL CONFIRMATION of the TRUTH– then their criminal activity NEVER happened!

    Although it doesn’t actually change the FACTS of what they did, they are CORRECT in the sense of AVOIDING accountability. Meanwhile, the Left’s FALSE-narratives SPIN on.

    At some point we acknowledge JUSTICE has gone MIA… hopefully BEFORE She meets the same FATE as Journalism.

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  45. Lactantius says:

    When it comes to the depth of understanding in all things “Trump-Russia-Collusion,” Sundance is my go-to resource.

    Simply as a bit of parlor musing, it occurs to me that President Donald J. Trump may very well be using political timing in all of this. After all, “Trump-Russia-Collusion” was a totally political coup attempt launched by the DemonizingRats. So why wouldn’t President Donald J. Trump time his revelations to do maximum political damage in the run-up to the 2020 election???

    It is all going to come puking out at some point. With the public having the attention span of moth, it would make perfect political sense to orchestrate the salvos like a carefully choreographed fireworks display on the Fourth of July.

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    • Zorro says:

      The closer that anything is revealed to November 2020 the easier it is for the Demosocialists to obfuscate it. But that appears to be a moot point as there is unlikely to be any “official” revelations.

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  46. gary says:

    for those who believe,not without cause, that this is going nowhere. trump is pissed, he isn’t going down ,IN ANY WAY, for these cucks. he wouldn’t be throwing stuff out there if he wasn’t being briefed. imho. he is counting on indictments.

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  47. Esther says:

    After the trick Sessions and Huber pulled on those of us wanting to see equal justice applied, understandably people are rightfully skeptical about further delays. Just like with Mueller, everyone talks of Durham as a ‘saviour’ etc. But there are also some negatives about him white washing cases and letting some people off the hook. This is not a judgement about him, this is just me being cautious. With the data bank the Kenyan traitor amassed on all members of government, its good to keep in mind, the DS and elements of the DOJ still have significant ammunition to manipulate people. Also many hide in plain sight ( like Trey Gowdy). We just saw acting Shananhan having to withdraw, we saw it with the President’s doctor. When they don’t have idirt, they twist things. So it all comes down to character and loyalties of the people Trump puts in positions. By now, IMHO just don’t like that the IG’s report keeps getting delayed, and that so little has as yet been publicly declassed in light of the sweeping powers Trump gave Barr. Am certainly not prepared to wait for some future date while things continue under a cloak of secrecy. Sunlight still remains the best disinfectant. So I urge Barr to speed up releases to the public. Or we ought to make some real noise and kick up a stink. Every time there have been similar delays it has not been in the best interest of justice, but dilactory. Just want AG Barr to break that pattern before there can be any measure of trust earned from this writer.

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    • gary says:

      two signs, greg craig indicted, in D.C. manafort rikers death sentence stopped. another. trumps confidence.

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    • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

      Barr is very aware of the body politic at large–and if he’s the real deal—will not drag his feet.

      He was kind enough NOT to make us wait 3 weeks until the Mueller report redactions were completed–
      REDACTIONS THAT HE HAD SPECIFICALLY INSTRUCTED MUELLER TO DO —
      to announce Mueller’s “verdict” on collusion and obstruction.
      He made us wait a whole 2 days.

      Oddly this generosity has not been received with appreciation by some, specifically
      MUELLER who has run away in fear and hid.

      Even a bucket of KFC won’t get HIM to testify

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  48. DonnyVee says:

    If justice is ultimately served, I can wait. But I am by no means happy with waiting.

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  49. jnearen2013 says:

    McCabe got a pass and so, too, will Comey et. al. We all got so excited about the Horowitz report a year ago and it was a giant nothing burger. We look just like the Democrats who couldn’t wait for the Mueller report which, too, was a giant nothing burger. I’m not equating the behaviors investigated. But, by now we should all realize that nothing, not one damn thing, is going to happen to those who perpetrated an attempted coup d’etat against Trump. No amount of wishing it were so is going to work. Face it. There is no such thing as equal justice under the law. If it were you or me we would have already been jailed.

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    • gary says:

      as quigley said, you ain’t eric holder, and this ain’t 2012.

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      • Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

        McCabe apparently got a pass on “lacking candor” about a dumb leak about himself..B.B
        (Before Barr)

        HIs actions in the Flynn case though, among other things, are WAY more serious.

        I’m willing to take a pass on a lie if Barr is willing NOT to on the serious crimes.

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  50. archie says:

    Trump is used to corruption. He takes it into account as one aspect of business and politics and does not really care if crooks are exposed or jailed.

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    • Zorro says:

      But Trump does really care if he is reelected and if we only hear the Demosocialist false narratives then the reelection chances are greatly hurt.

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