BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

Perhaps the weaponization of the NSA database was the biggest research project we ever took on.  That said, CTH prudence requires a lack of commentary.  For a background on this story see the [“SIDE NOTE“] previously presented HERE.  “The candle is not worth the flame.”

(WASHINGTON DC) The National Security Agency has recommended that the White House abandon a U.S. surveillance program that collects information about Americans’ phone calls and text messages, saying the logistical and legal burdens of keeping it outweigh its intelligence benefits, according to people familiar with the matter.

The recommendation against seeking the renewal of the once-secret spying program amounts to an about-face by the agency, which had long argued in public and to congressional overseers that the program was vital to the task of finding and disrupting terrorism plots against the U.S.

The latest view is rooted in a growing belief among senior intelligence officials that the spying program provides limited value to national security and has become a logistical headache.

Frustrations about legal-compliance issues forced the NSA to halt use of the program earlier this year, the people said. Its legal authority will expire in December unless Congress reauthorizes it.  (read more)

…”It is up to the White House, not the NSA, to decide whether to push for legislation to renew the phone-records program. The White House hasn’t yet reached a policy decision about the surveillance program, according to the people familiar with the matter.

The White House National Security Council and the NSA declined to comment.”…

[…] In remarks over the past month, Gen. Paul Nakasone, the director of the NSA and chief of U.S. Cyber Command, has declined to offer specifics about the status of conversations about the metadata program, but he has acknowledged officials are reviewing whether it is necessary.

“It’s a collaborative process, and the administration will make the decision,” Mr. Nakasone said this month at a Marshall Forum event in Washington. “We are taking a look at it, what is the value of it, what are we able to get from it…I think the question becomes, is this a tool that we continue to need to have for our nation’s security?” (link)

May God continue to bless Admiral Mike Rogers…

Do not go about your day without contemplating the scale of this decision; and more importantly the ideological shift on the freedom continuum.  97% of our nation will have no comprehension of the importance of this story.

One of the hurdles in revealing the scale of the story behind the abused FISA process are the current interests of the intelligence community.  Those who benefited from the abuse of the system have used “national security interests” as a shield to avoid revealing the history of Obama-era political surveillance and spying.

However, if the intelligence apparatus says they no longer want/need the surveillance system; that is, the specific aspect used for prior abuse; well, the shield is removed;… and, as a consequence, the history of how the NSA database was abused for political spy operation can then be revealed.

Love to all.

Wolverines !!

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277 Responses to BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

  1. Flight93Gal says:


    I am worried about the timing of this and agree with Dutch and Gunny and others.
    “NSA database abuse? … oh, we shut that program down last month. Old story.”

    This should be calendared for the future–AFTER the guilty parties are indicted and convicted,

    Liked by 4 people

  2. JonS says:

    “May God continue to bless Admiral Mike Rogers”. Amen

    Liked by 18 people

  3. TwoLaine says:

    Actually, to make sure this happens and happens quickly, everyone who was criminally targeted, including the President, should immediately sue. Let’s help this along!

    Liked by 3 people

  4. Austin Holdout says:

    I’m not completely clear about whether SD thinks the impetus for this change is that the program is inherently bad because of the potential for misuse OR that the impetus is the immediate need to remove the program so that the Coup plot can be revealed without the argument that revealing the plot would reveal national secrets. Thoughts?


    • jeff montanye says:

      nor do i, but when i first saw the headline my thought was no the deep state doesn’t want president trump to be able to use this incredibly powerful weapon to spy on his opponents as they did on him and on others.

      they still can’t believe he isn’t as corrupt as they are.

      Liked by 1 person

  5. Austin Holdout says:

    I’m not completely clear about whether SD thinks the impetus for this change is that the program is inherently bad because of the potential for misuse OR that the impetus is the immediate need to remove the program so that the Coup plot can be revealed without the argument that revealing the plot would reveal national secrets. Thoughts?


    • Deb says:

      Couldn’t it be all of the above?


    • The Admiral says:

      I wonder if this means what we think it means, though?

      NSAs specialty is SIGINT. Might they retain the capability, and restrict access to internal restricted access only?

      Rogers has already severed access to “About” queries from outside NSA.

      Might this also force the discussion about the utility of the FISA court, and abuse of this system out into the open?

      I bet there’s a number of folks crapping their pants at the waves this conversation will cause.

      Liked by 2 people

    • jmarshs says:

      Hopefully this is not a Deep State ploy to delete all records so that they cannot be accessed during the investigations that (we hope) are about to take place.

      Liked by 1 person

  6. The Gipper Lives says:

    Like sundance, we hope this means the abuse will be exposed, and as others have said, not a way to destroy evidence or build an even more intrusive apparatus. I’m wary of a old Clinton ploy if it’s dismantled: “Oh, that’s old news–we don’t need to look at that.”

    I believe this NSA program drove the Clintons to take the Tarmac Meeting with Lynch, even knowing the firestorm it would cause. After all, they knew better than anyone not to talk on the phones. Comey was assigned the “exoneration” (as he did in Pardongate), but he had to make it look like it wasn’t a total fix.

    Eight days later, Hillary Clinton was exonerated. And, btw, thirteen days later, Seth rich was dead.

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    • FPCHmom says:

      Tying up loose ends.

      Liked by 2 people

    • The Admiral says:

      If you think abut it, everything that exists in Bluffdale at this point, could be considered a “crime scene”, and need to be preserved as such.

      This story, not very long after I heard, from somewhere, I don’t remember where, that Bluffdale was closing down. IDK if it’s true, mind you.

      Some interesting things in the wind at the moment.


    • Austin Holdout says:

      I could only shake my head when the crazy criminal Hillary said yesterday a other than Trump would be prosecuted for all of the horrible stuff exposed by the Mueller report. As if PDJT has a single protector anywhere in the US Government and Hillary didn’t have an army of them ready to sell their souls to protect her from her criminality. Worst case of pot calling the kettle black I’ve ever seen. The gall of that woman!

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  7. nerveman says:

    Don’t erase delete wipe or reformat anything that shows the trail of abuse. If they wipe it all?

    Liked by 1 person

  8. Truthfilter says:

    Is computer/internet traffic included in the phone surveillance program? I hope so. I want it ALL stopped.

    Most terrorist attacks in the past could have been prevented if only our immigration and VISA program had worked and if the rules for coming here had been stricter.

    Liked by 6 people

  9. Rowdyone says:

    This just tells me that between Google, Facebook and Amazon they’ve got it covered and the NSC has just farmed it out preferring not having to deal with the scrutiny anymore.

    Liked by 7 people

    • frances says:

      I think that is a distinct possibility.


    • Judith says:

      That was my first thought. They will rely on their Five Eyes partners to continue their surveillance of American citizens, that’s all. Meanwhile, phone companies, internet websites and social media will continue to collect user data, but that data will be mined by foreign entities, instead of US authorities.

      Now, if they stopped their surreptitious collection of user data entirely, then that would be a different story. There are just too many smart phones, smart tv’s, smart cars, Siris and Alexas out there already. Not to mention license tag readers, facial recognition and credit card chip readers.

      Pandora’s box has is already opened wide, and Big Brother ain’t going anywhere.

      Liked by 3 people

    • RedBallExpress says:

      I agree. They have something better that will provide them with even more power.


  10. jupitercomm says:

    However, if the intelligence apparatus says they no longer want/need the surveillance system; that is, the specific aspect used for prior abuse; well, the shield is removed;… and, as a consequence, the history of how the NSA database was abused for political spy operation can then be revealed.”

    Where the hell is Bluto? I went lurk mode a year & he gone…. he’d dig this song I chose for this occasion

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  11. dwpender says:

    Senator Graham’s Judiciary Committee plans to investigate Spygate.

    The first witness should be Admiral Rogers. Among other things, POTUS should authorize Rogers to disclose in open session EVERYTHING he warned President-Elect Trump about in November, 2016, and the whole sordid history of 85% non-compliance, contractor access, etc.

    The second witness should be Devin Nunes. Among other things, POTUS should authorize Nunes to disclose in open session EVERYTHING he saw at the SCIF in early 2017 that caused him to go straight to the WH to warn POTUS.

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  12. Blind no longer says:

    I was reading this out loud to my husband and his initial reaction was “Why now”? “do they have some intelligence on an assassination attempt or a terror attack they can screw President Trump with”?
    I have to say, my suspicious cat sense is on full red alarm! It’s a shame I can’t even celebrate something that would be a very good thing for this country.

    Liked by 2 people

    • jupitercomm says:

      I’ve kept up w/ the development of the surveillance apparatus since I was in college b/c – CONFESSION, cover your ears – I actually liked VP Cheney’s ruthless attitude b/c at least if, in my young mind, G-d forbid such tools never fell into evil hands, they’d be wonderful for security…..

      There was a previous “coup d’etat” of sorts when the Democrats took back the House from Bush in 2006 thru 2007 when Obama shocked the world by usurping Hilary. They got their hands on the apparatus (Fr: dispositif) crafted by Cheney, Addington, John Yoo, etc

      Long story short, the tools fell into the wrong hands & the the apparatus took on a life of its own

      So…… it probably needs to be radically deconstructed in order to be improved

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      • Hmmm... says:

        Interesting perspective. My libertarian tendencies mean I hate this stuff and from a legal side think they have strayed into violating the 4th amendment territory with the construct they were using but from the technical side it makes sense to want to build and develop it first. It was pretty darn important that the US built the first nuke and not the Nazis. Even with the abuse at least with the US the separation of powers has the potential to right the wrong whereas if the Chinese or Russians were the leaders in this sort of collection technology we would be much worse off. Very interesting thought and one I had never considered really.


    • The Gipper Lives says:

      “Why now?”

      Hopefully because we have a real Attorney General at long last.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Chip Doctor says:

      Blind, my first thought was that this is them trying to cover themselves by saying “well, our own watchdogs found some irregularities so we eliminated the program. No scrutiny needed here, we have already cleaned it up. Let’s get on with other business.”

      Liked by 4 people

    • Bgood says:

      The stuff they get nowadays from the techs is better and comes with less strings. Ever wonder about the small print of all those tech service agreements and constant update notices? Just click the button and there’s almost nothing they can’t do.


    • Rock Knutne says:

      Blind no longer ~

      My spidey sense jumped immediately as well.

      If it’s in the hands of someone that is in step with President Trump’s ‘drain the swamp’ agenda, and all the data applicable to draining said swamp is preserved as evidence and THEN shut down, I’m all for it.

      My fear is it’s just another attempt at hammering cell phones and bleach bitting hard drives.

      Liked by 1 person

  13. dwpender says:

    Senator Graham’s Judiciary Committee plans to investigate Spygate.

    The first witness should be Admiral Rogers. Among other things, POTUS should authorize Rogers to disclose in open session EVERYTHING he warned President-Elect Trump about in November, 2016, and the whole sordid history of 85% non-compliance, contractor access, etc.

    The second witness should be Devin Nunes. Among other things, POTUS should authorize Nunes to disclose in open session EVERYTHING he saw at the SCIF in early 2017 that caused him to go straight to the WH to warn POTUS.

    The third witness (also in open session) should be whoever told POTUS in March 2016 that OBAMA had “wiretapped” candidate and later President-Elect Trump.

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  14. Beigun says:

    NSA made the decision after an attempt by “Dave” to shut-down the Utah meta-data center failed due to noncompliance by the AI computer “HAL.”


  15. Tim says:

    Is this a huge coverup. Shut down the spying system. Repurpose all the hardware. No records exist from that discontinued NSA program. So we can’t tell you what was searched, who was the target, when the searches happened, or who was responsible. But since the NSA system doesn’t exist , it can’t be used to gather evidence on the soft coup plotters,

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Bob’s Brown Ear says:

    Another vote for NO don’t shut it down- not until the very end of ends. It’s a trick. Expose it, drag it into the light, point at its ugliness for all to see. Then when even the flies have nothing left to chew on, only then you bury it.
    It’s way too early to just turn the blinking lights off or else the next guy will just turn them back on when trump leaves office.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Bert Darr says:

      Some treepers seem to have skimmed SD’s article. Doesn’t it clearly state that the final decision regarding the fate of the spying crap system will me made by the President?
      Nuff said!


  17. phillip jeffreys says:

    There must be some really bad stuff (foreign and domestic) on a whole lotta people in that DB.

    But they won’t just heave it over the side unless they have something as good or better.

    This will end up getting scoped down to where it was supposed to be: foreign threats only.

    Liked by 1 person

  18. skifflegirl says:

    Former Technical Dir of NSA and father of modern surveillance systems discusses how NSA taps in to the data hub links of Google, Facebook, etc and downloads everything yet doesn’t use it to stop attacks:

    They don’t use the data collection to prevent terrorism or other crimes. How many times did we read “the suspect was known to law enforcement before the attack on _____ (fill in the blank).”

    A former FBI agent discusses how Mueller created the current politicized and heavily counter-intel focused FBI post 9-11 by hiring inexperienced junior agents at HQ (as opposed to veteran street cops):
    “And an inextricable connection can be made between some of the current players entangled in the web of alleged FBI politicized decision-making and their alumnus status in Robert Mueller’s early promotion incentive program.”

    Here’s another artcle from 2007:

    My point is that whether or not they discontinue officially collecting data or metadata doesn’t mean Google and Facebook still won’t. And Amazon Echo, Alexa and all the others that will still collect. I’d rather have liberty than safety and I’d rather have veteran cops who know what’s going on in their neighborhood than massive 4th Amendment breaches of my privacy that doesn’t stop crime anyway because the lawyers at HQ are too busy covering up their own crimes.

    Liked by 3 people

  19. phillip jeffreys says:

    And, of course, with more comms moving to the net (e.g., VoIP) just what is being sacrificed?


  20. Liberty Forge says:

    I’d like to hear Bill Binney’s explanation (take) on this. He could explain it in layman’s terms.

    Binney? Is this a good thing — a bad thing — or a combination of both?

    Liked by 1 person

  21. Free Speech says:

    CIA will still get their blackmail stuff from somewhere. Better shut down Google, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, end Five Eyes, etc, etc.


  22. Angel Martin says:

    This is big. Bureaucracies don’t give up power and budget authority unilaterally.

    Which suggests to me that some disclosure is coming which will force the shutdown of this program. and the NSA is just getting ahead of the bad news: “We have asked the White House for permission to shut it down”.

    Given what we know about 702 FISA abuse from the Collyer decision it’s not a stretch that 215 was also being abused.


  23. Wayne Robinson says:

    I suspect they want the program scrapped and dumped hoping to protect criminals like Oboma ( i have no magic wand ) and Comey and oh never mind you know …,

    Liked by 1 person

  24. Blind no longer says:

    Okay I get it now. That last part of Sundance’s article…once it’s shut down…..ALL THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY can be REVEALED! Woohoo..shut her down!


  25. mr.piddles says:

    I was just reading about this on The Hill…

    Some doozies…

    “The USA Freedom Act created a pared-down version of the phone surveillance program that Snowden revealed six years ago.”

    What’s better than massive collection of phone, email, and just about every other thing associated with every American Citizen? Apparently, a little less than “massive” is good enough. And they call it “Freedom”… Well, I don’t know about y’all, but I feel “Free”.

    “The limited version of the program has faced difficulties for years. In June, the NSA announced that it had purged hundreds of millions of records after discovering the data had been “contaminated” by records it was not supposed to receive.”

    Ahh yes. The ol’ “records it was not supposed to receive” problem.

    Translation: we were actually SUPPOSED to receive the records. But we abused the database beyond any recognition of what Congress intended it to be authorized for. So the adults took away the database.

    Question: Do we trust these people to not continue this activity via other means?
    Answer: Wittingly, no.

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  26. Darren says:

    Something is bothering me. Who scrubbed Mifsud’s information off the internet? I remember doing searches over a year ago and having many returns. Lots of information to read. Now it’s mostly been scrubbed not only from the web but from archives as well. Anyone know if this would leave a paper trail inside the FBI or CIA?

    Liked by 1 person

    • mr.piddles says:

      Well, if he’s an intelligence operative… and it would seem that he is (was)… then his “cover” is blown. I mean, they could have left the info out there, I suppose. But let’s face it: his LinkedIn profile isn’t really valid anymore.

      Liked by 1 person

  27. CountryDoc says:

    Part of me wants it shut down — the quote- those who would sacrifice liberty for safety are doomed to lose both”. Part of me wants it kept because it is such a powerful tool. But the risks are great.

    I’m afraid it won’t be shut down to reveal the crimes, but done in such a way that the crimes are covered up. There are more black hats than white, and we can’t tell who is who.

    I don’t trust that Facebook, Amazon, Apple, or Google don’t have a duplicate system to do the same thing unawares to keep feeding the Uniparty, New World order with data to control patriots and working class.

    But it is progress. It is movement.


    • mr.piddles says:

      Facebook, Amazon, and Google will put a shiny new Listening Device right on your T.V. stand for $49.95. Text messages? Apple and Google got ’em. GPS? Indeed. Your just sent you a reminder to visit your parents more often. Emails? Puh-leeze… email’s for babies. Your Life In The Cloud? Microsoft says #MeToo. etc. etc.

      NSA is obsolete, my friend.

      China says: All your data are belong to us. Like, all of it. MMMWWWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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    • MelH says:

      I have a little note from way back in the beginning that speaks of The Hammer, a special program by Brennan and Clapper, housed in Utah. Is that the NSA database and what Maxine Waters talks about having every bit of data there is on ALL of us? It’s on the same piece of paper as Montgomery lifting thousands of pages and many hard drives to back up his whistle blowing foray, but nobody wants to see it. Eventually he gave it to Comey, who probably waved his magic wand and made it disappear. Which reminds me, about the Comey memos he’s so proud of, would carbon dating be accurate enough to show exactly what day and time he actually wrote them?

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  28. Toejamicus says:

    In the war against the American people by the deep security state, it’s the accountants who determine the outcome.


    • cthulhu says:

      As a CPA, I can assure you it ain’t the accountants. They’re just trying to keep score while the MBAs are playing Calvinball.


  29. jessetmims says:

    Shut’er down! Just make sure no evidence of corruption/crimes is allowed to be deleted!

    Liked by 1 person

  30. Claim that you are shutting down the program, that should throw everyone off.

    Liked by 2 people

    • 49perry says:

      Why don’t I trust the government to in fact shut the system down?? Who would verify that it actually was shut down and not just hidden a little deeper in the backwaters of their vast swamp??

      Liked by 1 person

  31. Newt Love says:

    Subterfuge and hubris!
    After the US ICs taught the FiveEyes how to do it, the US ICs “let” the Brits (who don’t have the US 4th Amendment) provide complete transcripts of American conversations, so that Brennan could launch his EC against Trump.

    The American ICs, by shamefacedly saying to eliminate the American eavesdropping programs, is simply saying that they will get the incriminating and smearing information from the ICs in the FiveEyes foreign nations.

    It’s a head fake, and the entrenched traitors in the American ICs are trying to tape a halo to a stick, to hold the halo over their head, while knowing that the Brits and Aussies will supply an endless stream of anti-Trump data to them, while the American ICs pretend to be innocent!

    Remember how foreign ICs fought the release of unredacted material requested by Nunes et al?

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  32. Rock Knutne says:

    Skifflegirl ~
    ^^^^^ X 1000

    Right on the money.

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  33. J Gottfred says:

    I am so happy to hear this. I wrote my exalted Senior Senator, DiFi on March of 2013 after Snowden’s disclosure of the NSA’s subservience program and to protest Clapper’s outright prevarication of our spying on Americans to Wyden’s question about NSA spying. on March 13, 2013. Here is that exchange to remind us what that unbridled prevaricator testified under oath six years later. He is a liar, has always lied, and has continued to lie just like Brennan.

    Sen. Ron Wyden asked DNI James Clapper at a March 12, 2013 hearing “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

    DNI Clapper replied “No, sir.” He added “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect — but not wittingly.”

    Feinstein, completely dodged the Clapper issue but was so kind to send me the below response to the NSA issue on Sept. 20, 2013. One did not need to be a rocket scientist or clairvoyant to realize this program was just to powerful to NOT BE ABUSED by the corrupt Democrats.

    I knew we were f’d when I got her response.

    Dear Mr. Gottfredxxx:

    Thank you for contacting me to follow up on concerns you had regarding National Security Agency (NSA) programs. I appreciate hearing from you again, and welcome the opportunity to share some further information with you.

    I understand that you continue to have concerns about the NSA call records program. In 1979, the Supreme Court ruled in Smith v. Maryland that there is no expectation of privacy in this kind of transactional information, since that information is already compiled by phone companies, and sitting federal judges serving on the FISA Court have held this program to be constitutional numerous times over the past seven years. Names are not attached to the phone numbers connected to this metadata, and analysts may only use the call records to search for numbers connected to those for which there is “reasonable, articulated suspicion” that they relate to terrorism. Searches of the NSA data are reviewed by the Department of Justice, and every 90 days, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court reviews this program and decides whether to reauthorize it.

    As noted in my earlier letter, the NSA collects information about the internet activity of foreign targets on foreign soil through a separate program authorized by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The NSA is prohibited from directing surveillance at U.S. citizens’ electronic communications in this program. Oversight of this program occurs in several forms, including twice yearly reports to Congress, as well as a review by the NSA Inspector General, the Department of Justice, and the FISA Court.

    You may be interested to know that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, which I chair, will be proposing reforms to the phone records program that would enhance transparency and privacy protections. For your convenience, I have attached a copy of an opinion piece I authored in the Washington Post on July 30, 2013, which further explains these proposed changes.

    Again, please know that although we may not agree on this subject, your correspondence is important to me and I value your contribution to the ongoing debate about U.S. national security programs. If you have any additional comments or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841.

    Sincerely yours,

    Dianne Feinstein
    United States Senator

    Further information about my position on issues of concern to California and the nation are available at my website, You can also receive electronic e-mail updates by subscribing to my e-mail list. Click here to sign up. And please visit my YouTube, Facebook and Twitter for more ways to communicate with me.

    Sept 13, 2013


  34. 1190ftalt says:

    It’s no wonder we can’t win any wars , our military has been taken over by at the very least Liberal Democrats and worse case Traitors like Bowe Bergdahl, James Clapper and ISIS sympathizer John Brennan.

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  35. Trump2020 says:


    Adm. Mike Rogers is an American Hero.

    Liked by 2 people

  36. tav144 says:

    LEVERAGE 😁😁😁


  37. cthulhu says:

    I got an opinion poll call and — feeling adventurous, actually answered it. They asked for me by name. I allowed that I was on the phone. I asked how they had gotten my number, and she said, “it just popped-up on my computer here”. She said that she was not a telemarketer, but merely a pollster — I replied that this made her more dangerous. She asked if I declined to be polled, and I allowed that I would listen but reserved the right not to reply. Her first question was whether this was a land-line or cellphone. I told her that this was a question I declined to answer, and she terminated the call.

    If she’d gotten to anything like, “what’s your opinion of your state representative?”, “what’s the opinion of your Federal Representative?”, “what’s your opinion of your state governor?”, “what’s your opinion of your Federal Senators?”, “what is your opinion of your state senator?”, etc. — I’d be perfectly willing to go on record as saying that they are perfidious scum of the lowest order who I wish would have the courtesy to die elsewhere and pollute some other area with their remains. I spent most of today waiting for a 1-800-PACKRAT unit to get dropped in my driveway — I’m on my way out.

    But they didn’t really want that. They wanted to strengthen a data link between me and a phone number.

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  38. Fools Gold says:

    Can we keep it going for about 6 months so I can collect a few dims and rhinos colloraboratting on past work and future work? I say yes but only if I’m in charge of who is surveyed unknowingly and patriots being the judge of the conversations….talk about a big ugly.

    Remember, I have lot of trees and I’ll buy the rope, hot dogs and refreshments.

    Signed: Judge Roy Scream


  39. Shut down the phone surveillance program and bring back water-boarding. Its probably a cheaper program to administer………………..

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  40. Trent Telenko says:


    There are a lot of “Big Club” income streams dependent on that surveillance system.

    It’s destruction would really *hurt* those folks in the pocket book.


  41. Zorro says:

    Maybe the deep state just wants to make sure that any white hats can’t go back in the future and get incriminating evidence on them now that spygate is being revealed.


    • WSB says:

      Hannity brought up the Clinton Lewinsky phone sex calls the Russians intercepted. Would this have anything to do with those or a complete purging of government officials’ misdeeds needing cover?


  42. Petrel says:

    Wikipedia reports that the NSA data center in Utah is 1.5 million square feet in size, houses servers requiring 65 megawatts of electricity — costing $40 million per year — to operate, and 1.7 million gallons of water per day — in a desert — to cool the electronic equipment.

    Folks, this mega facility is merely the center of a vast, nationwide electronic spider web. We will only be safe from Big Brother when the whole spider web is dismantled.

    Alas, dismantling the spider web is not likely to happen. Multiple agencies will squirrel their equipment away. But what about dis-connecting the power, destroying the wells, evacuating the facility and ordering the US Air-force to bomb the place into the hereafter, for at least 1 year?


  43. Sam says:

    Ever heard of Disposition Matrix? Starting in 2010, Brennan played a key role in the evolution of this program which allowed targeted killing – including the killing of US citizens – for the Obama administration.

    Coincidentally, the process to determine criteria wasn’t public, and was ‘heavily shaped’ by Brennan. Given the abuses we now know about, perhaps this deserves some attention.


  44. Bryan Alexander says:

    This is the proposal of an organization that is trying to back-pedal out of indictments and jail-time for senior personnel. There is ZERO doubt that the 702 Queries were WAAAAAAY out of hand, beyond anything remotely legal. NSA kind of sat there and watched the bludgeoning of President Trump.

    Suddenly, they realize that President Trump is not going away and there is an actual possibility that they may get a phone call, a subpoena and a prosecutor asking them “Why did you allow this to continue? Why did you not report this?”

    They don’t have an answer. So, they are proposing to end the program, thinking the prosecutor won’t call their phone.

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  45. Kitty T Hedrick says:

    If the NSA database project is no more, will this make it possible to expose all those “contractors” who misused the system?


  46. Kitty T Hedrick says:

    If the NSA database project is no more, will this make it possible to expose all those “contractors” who misused the system?


  47. Daniel says:

    It’s happening.

    Liked by 1 person

  48. boomerbeth says:

    Joe di Genova, a former FISC attorney, connected the dots and revealed history on Ingraham with Huckabee as sub, tonight.
    Watch for video not up yet.
    Judge Collier of FISC has already submitted evidence to CIA emissary Barr (aka Robert Johnson distributor of laundered drug money to Gov, BJ kkkkklinton to keep his mouth shut’) .
    Before nsa surveillance there were 900 fbi files the kkklintons used to blackmail their perceived enemies.

    Barr risks being ”outed” if he prosecutes any kkklinton kon-spirators.

    To wit: 4 contractors under psychopath Brennan’s supervision were spying on millions of Americans, mostly Republicans for years beginning with interloper Bari Malik Shanbazz usurping the presidency via voter fraud.
    They have a lot to hide: the theft of 2 elections. The 3rd one failed. They were overrun. By Trumpmania.

    The only Trump card they have left is blackmailing Wm Barr aka Robert Johnson.

    The ends justify the means.


  49. tav144 says:

    Ok so after reading again, it seems this is only talking about domestic PHONE data. Not computer/internet/electronic data, and not foreign phone data collected. So It seems FISA and FISC court would still be necessary to obtain domestic electronic/computer data. Smart phones are also electronic/computer devices which data, via it’s related applications, is already being stored…..likely already including texts and call logs via those apps.


  50. bluebongo says:

    The logistics problem was the sheer scale of storage space needed for all that data. By law we had to destroy any data over 90 days old so that wasn’t an acute problem for us. I assume No Such Agency has a different playbook….

    The suspicious side of me says that no government agency ever gives anything up that might cost themselves budget. Therefore they’ve come up with something better.


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