Ratcliffe Discusses Sketchy Turkish Story Surrounding Jamal Khashoggi Disappearance…

Everything surrounding the “disappearance”, perhaps “murder”, of Saudi critic/journalist Jamal Khashoggi screams manufactured geopolitical propaganda.  All current narrative indications are pushing in one direction. Here are the warning flags:

♦Flag #1 – Jamal Khashoggi in self-exile, worked for The Washington Post, and was hiding behind ‘residency’ in the U.S. WaPo is a notorious left-wing intelligence propaganda outlet for the most politicized elements within the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

♦Flag #2 – Turkey (Recep Erdogan) pushing the narrative.  Erdogan is a notorious liar when it comes to his interests, and a master manipulator. Turkey/Erdogan is the most openly staunch supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and has a self-interest in distracting/deflecting U.S. economic pressure from their ongoing relationship with Iran.

♦Flag #3 – Saudi Arabia [Mohamed Bin Salman (MbS)] has been instituting political and cultural reforms that are antithetical to the advanced objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood, Recep Erdogan (wants new Ottoman Empire), and extreme Islam.

♦Flag #4 –  The voices behind the U.S. push to promote the Jamal Khashoggi story are all aligned in one purposeful and ideological direction.  Former Obama officials including: John Brennan, Samantha Power, Valerie Jarrett et al, are all pushing the story in a transparent effort to create division between the U.S. and KSA and by extension benefit their Muslim Brotherhood and Iranian allies.

♦Flag #5 – The left-wing, highly political, intelligence apparatus – and all DC interests are joined by the notorious right-wing members of the UniParty war machine. [Rubio, Sasse, Flake, Schumer, Menendez, et al] Together with the exact same left-wing media voices (right and left), and all the political ‘think-tanks’, who advance the DC drumbeat.  Yes, the gang is all back together again in their high-brow pontification of ‘muh values‘.

♦Flag #6 – The story is being pushed into U.S. media outlets by a notorious Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece, Khaled Saffuri:

[I]n the past 24 hours we now have a glimpse of exactly who is feeding the establishment media reporting on the Khashoggi matter — including at least one source who was tied to a joint Libyan intelligence and al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Saudi crown prince.

Khaled Saffuri is the protege of al-Qaeda fundraiser Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is currently serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison for his role as bagman for the Libyan/Al-Qaeda assassination plot.  (read more)

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407 Responses to Ratcliffe Discusses Sketchy Turkish Story Surrounding Jamal Khashoggi Disappearance…

  1. MLK says:

    A word to the wise, MBS ain’t Trump’s little brother. In other words, this President will always put American interests first over the Saudi ruling faction — especially when the out faction is anything but anti-American.

    I knew something was up when POTUS said at his rallies that the Saudis wouldn’t last two weeks without our protection. POTUS seemingly linked this to his ire at high crude prices. But, unless I miss my mark it’s bigger than that — like a certain S400 SAM purchase by them from Russia and deepening Saudi-China relations. (FYI: Look up the recent Arab News op-Ed on Saudi support for China’s Belt/Road.

    That doesn’t mean you’re at all wrong as to who’s behind this set-piece. We saw what happened to the Bush-aligned Saudi royals when those American factions were leading The Resistance so Trump allowed MBS to do with them as he wished. But much has changed — establishment Republicans have bent the knee.

    It sure looks to me as if this poor Khashoggi character was chosen to take one for his team. We will never really know what happened to him. But we do know that Trump is seeking to extract something (very big) from the crown prince, and he’s also going to have to make peace/share power at least a little bit with the rival faction he’s been hammering.

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    • covfefre999 says:

      I think Khashoggi is alive and well in Turkey.

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      • MLK says:

        He might well be but the odds are low at this point. If so though, then after MBS pays the price demanded by all concerned the Turks will secretly turn him over to the Saudis and the official story will be that he had been kidnapped there on the first day. The problem for this poor character is that his fate is of little importance to whomever conceived of this play and he’s a risk to all concerned alive because he could spill the beans.

        No, he’s dead in all likelihood. Depending on the price demanded, the official story was that he was either murdered in the Consolate by an over-zealous rendition team or after he was kidnapped back to Saudi Arabia. Whomever is MBS’s intelligence chief is not a happy camper right now.

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        • covfefre999 says:

          I personally feel, based on everything that I’ve read, that Khashoggi, his so-called fiancee, and Erdogan are all in on this fake-abduction/fake-murder scam. That’s where I sit right now,. I have seen nothing yet that convinces me that any other scenario is probable.

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          • Yes but you can’t tell me that the Saudi consulate has cameras everywhere but the back entrance. That is not believable. Khashoggi is seen entering and never leaving. The Saudis first positing that he left out the back door and that’s why no one saw him leave isn’t going to fly. Consulates have cameras at all entrances, for their own protection.

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            • covfefre999 says:

              Sundance: Flag #2 – Turkey (Recep Erdogan) pushing the narrative.

              I think everything we have seen so far has come from Turkey. The consulate is in an upscale neighborhood with other consulates. There are probably security cameras all over the place. According to WaPo, Turkish officials have collected all of the footage. But they are sharing none of it. They also claim they have audio or video of a murder but haven’t shared that either.

              I feel like I have a pretty good track records. Everything that has seemed like BS to me has ended up being BS. The details of this story are just so way off, not credible. It’s like Blasey’s accusation that she was assaulted by Kavanaugh.

              What if this is all a fabricated scam, Khashoggi is well and hiding out, and this was all done to cause problems for Saudi Arabia and the US?

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              • Sentient says:

                Agree that what we’ve heard about video evidence has all come from the Turks. Their assertion that Kashoggi entered alive and exited in pieces is insufficiently convincing. That doesn’t mean that the Turks would leave him alive, though. He could have been killed elsewhere by the Turks. No sense leaving him alive – a living rebuttal to their blaming Saudi Arabia.

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              • Could be. But the Saudis have their own cameras for their own consulate. It’s not like the Turks control the cameras at the Saudi consulate. That would be like saying the U.S. embassy/consulate in China doesn’t have our own cameras at all of our entrances that belong to us.

                I’m open. Anything is possible. But Erdogan and MBS are both devils and we do have Khashoggi on camera entering the Saudi consulate which is technically Saudi property. So they should be able to provide footage of him leaving alive. It’s not like it would be unlike the Saudis to do something like this. Doesn’t mean that they did but they should have camera footage of him leaving their own consulate on their own cameras. The man is currently nowhere to be found.

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              • Aunt Clara says:

                More info here:

                https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/turkish_taffy.html

                That’s exactly what this is. A ruse designed to hurt our relationship with Saudi Arabia – a country helping us in the war on terrorism i.e. the war with Iran.

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              • Aunt Clara says:

                More info here:

                https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/turkish_taffy.html

                That’s exactly what this is. A ruse designed to hurt our relationship with Saudi Arabia – a country helping us in the war on terrorism i.e. the war with Iran.

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              • Sassy says:

                “It’s like Blasey’s accusation that she was assaulted by Kavanaugh.”

                Today, I would say it’s like the DNA test Warren says she had, or like Obama’s birth certificate.

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            • WSB says:

              Remember, this consulate could be manned with AL-Waleed holdovers, so anything is possible. Cutting cameras, creating content, hiding Khashoggi for decades. His uncle is one of the premier arms dealers in the world.

              So…basically, believe anything right now.

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            • Snow Patrol says:

              But he was seen leaving, according to initial reports by Al-Jazeera: “Turkish police studied the surveillance cameras, which showed that Khashoggi left the consulate building 20 minutes after he entered, indicating that he was likely kidnapped.” – posted by Thomas Wictor on Gab.

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              • Elle says:

                oops! Someone did not get the memo in time. Those initial reports are killer. It’s out there now. So we know the dude is not in the Embassy, and (imho) the girlfriend is in on whatever is being pushed by Turks and all the usual dark-side suspects .

                So we know the Turks are hiding the footage of him leaving. And they feel comfortable using the opportunity to drive a wedge between the USA and KSA, possibly to put pressure on whomever has him to get him back one of their own.

                But the KSA also knows he left the consulate, so they could produce the footage if they wanted to….but they don’t. Why not?

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            Yes – I agree that they are – or rather WERE all in on it. I think Khashoggi is dead, as PLANNED by the plotters, as part of a self-cleaning blood hoax by all the usual suspects. Dead Khashoggi removes a key witness, ups the outrage, and serves the interests of all the plotters – and some of these plotters are good for “Old Sparky” already. IMO Khashoggi was a willing chump, who was likely told a STORY to get him to go along with it. That fiance – UBER-sketchy. Then he shows up in the embassy expecting the plot to unfold a certain way where he walks out later, and – sorry – CHUMP.

            The Saudis who (I believe) killed Khashoggi are likely also chumps, too, although they are GUILTY chumps. They were, by this theory, tricked into committing acts that they THOUGHT would gain control of Saudi Arabia for the pro-MB, anti-MBS hardliners, but if the plot fails, they are basically going to go down as traitors. They may have been obeying orders from people who are NOT totally loyal to MBS, and that puts MBS in a pinch.

            I smell Brennan and the “Vegas/Parkland Gang” all over this. Eric Holder may very well know the truth. All we need now is the White Helmets and Netflix to show up.

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          • CaptainNonno says:

            As good an assessment as any at this point. Strongly believe tha5 there’s no way in hell the Saudis would pull a stunt Shaffuri is selling Their own Consulate. If THEY wanted him dead, it would have happened somewhere else without any trace. This stinks. Pres Trumps statement of consequences being so strong lead me to believe he knows already it wasn’t the Saudis.

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          • Carrie says:

            I also think something is up with Kashoggi and the fiancé. In fact, it was reported that the Saudi’s were telling their own people on the news that they had additional footage of the fiancé, and that that wasn’t a woman walking around outside of the embassy- but a man dressed up to look like the fiancé!! In addition, Khashoggi knew the present regime hated him, why would he ever walk into a Saudi Arabian Embassy (basically a piece of Saudi territory with no proteins, where they could arrest him for perceived crimes committed against SA?) in Turkey without someone else with him?? Why wouldn’t he go to some other SA Embassy- like one located in the US? That would afford him so many more protections with the Embassy being surrounded by US territory. Why did he hand his fiance his phone before entering the building? Too many unanswered questions.

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            • Elle says:

              “why would he ever walk into a Saudi Arabian Embassy”. excellent point. The idea that he entered for a wedding certificate seems super lame, especially given the fiancee’s poor acting skills. It’s as lame as the Ford/Kavanaugh show.

              So now it is possible he did not even enter the consulate in the first place.

              At this point, the only thing we are sure of is that the Turks and the Flakes are pushing the narrative that he was murdered by the KSA.

              Son of deceased arms dealer disappears, girlfriend puts on show to make it seem like he entered Saudi consulate, but the Saudi’s aren’t willing to produce video showing he came and went …or that he never came in the first place.

              hmmmm…. I’m out. We will get less information on this than we will on the Vegas shooting.

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          • Carrie says:

            Here is a translation of an article with an interview with someone who knew Khashoggi well and the possible motivations for his death. It was originally from Die Welt. And the person suggests he was a Saudi spy…

            https://pjmedia.com/spengler/german-press-reveals-saudi-spook-saga-behind-khashoggi-disappearance/

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          • CountryClassVulgarian says:

            I have said it from the time I first heard the story. This reeks to hell. All the bad actors who hate our President and our country are ballyhooing about this “journalist”. Recep Tayyip is pushing the narrative and claiming that he has the tapes. Well then, show the world teh tapes and totally embarrass the Saudis. In the words of Viktor Orban, Recep Tayyip is a “dangerous man” we would do well to not trust him.

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      • Dutchman says:

        Hangin’ out with Misfud.

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      • InAz says:

        My husband said Kashoggi walked in the embassy front door and exited the back door and Erdogan is helping to hide Kashoggi.

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      • Herbert Kroll says:

        Do you remember the killing of the Russian consul Andrei Karlov? I’m not so sure he was killed at all… There was not a single drop of blood visible on his body. The journalist who continued taking photo’s was hailed as a hero. Everything was filmed and all of it wasn’t just fishy, it smelled like a ton of fish rotting in the sun.

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      • suejeanne1 says:

        possible objectives to be achieved:

        crash the mid-terms against the Republicans with a bogus story about a cover-up of the death of a journalist with the tacit or passive compliance of President Trump then of course no further Congressional investigations into the people who have been allowed to do harm to our intelligence-gathering/national security

        cancellation of the arms sales to the KSA

        ultimate erosion of the influence, sovereignty of the KSA to the detriment of the region, incl. Israel and the fall of Yemen finally into the hands of Iran (perhaps in service to the PRC who would like to control the entire region, waterways/ports, oil, route to Africa)

        if the objective of this story is one and/or all of these and the objective(s) are achieved, even if JK is alive and well, I would not put it past any of the players to say (a la Harry Reid):

        “well, it worked didn’t it?”

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        • WSB says:

          However, if we are seeing how idiotic this plan is and we see all of the characters tonight, do we think the Trump Administration is going to fall for all of this?

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        • dutzie60 says:

          I’m not seeing how this story would crash the mid terms against Republicans. Do we really believe people get two hoots about some sketchy ‘journalist’ being murdered in Turkey? And just how and why would this be the fault of the Republicans.

          If that were true, it would mean people are paying attention. Hell, they don’t even pay attention to what’s going on here in the USA with our President. That includes lots of Republicans.

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    • JMP says:

      Very informative, thanks. These are the kind of complicated puzzles PDT has to navigate – Sundance’s analysis plus your additional input about why the Saudis might need some firmness. Glad PDT has some very good guys on it, Pompeo, Bolton et al.

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    • “I knew something was up when POTUS said at his rallies that the Saudis wouldn’t last two weeks without our protection.”

      We shouldn’t be protecting them in the first place, or anyone else in the ME. The ME is not our region. Not to mention the Saudis will just send terrorists to attack the U.S. whether we withdraw our protection or not. We have to get our troops out of there, and Afghanistan. Let them fight their own battles. I can’t believe we’re still killing our own for these people and at our monetary and sovereignty expense.

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      • Robert says:

        If we leave, that creates a vacuum that Russia or China will fill.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Agreed.

          And why give up that GREAT anti-terror center that has DiFi and Brennan pinned down? Not that this would provide a motive for ALL of these GloboNazi and MB jokers to conspire against the Trump-Salman relationship and “New Era, Post-Brennan Saudi Arabia”.

          Up until now, the US-Saudi post-Brennan-Talaweed era has been very good for TRUMP MAGA America. It’s not like we’re sending a bunch of troops there. STEADY AS SHE GOES and lets find out WHICH rats are responsible for this crime.

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        • Sentient says:

          Let ’em fill it, then. They’ll be mired down there just like we have been. 17 years in Afghanistan so far. If Russia or China want wade into that mess, let them. Better them than us.

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          • WSB says:

            Russia (CCCP) already did that and got their a$$es kicked.

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          • China is the only country that CAN win Afghanistan.

            1. Afghanistan borders them.
            2. It’s part of one belt, one road.
            3. Pump Afghanistan full of troops, Taliban will go extinct.
            4. Encircles India.
            5. Bolsters Iran and Pakistan.
            6. Untapped mineral RSS.
            7. Sounds biblical. “Kings of the east”, on their way to Israel.

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        • 4EDouglas says:

          Not to mention empowering Iran..

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          • Iran is nowhere near the U.S. Iran’s enemies and neighbors are the ones who want the U.S. to go to war with Iran for them. Let these people fight their own battles. What a bunch of dirtbags. They don’t care how many Americans die as long as they don’t have to fight their own battles. We need to leave. The ME is not America’s problem. The Iranian regime is not our friend obviously, but they don’t benefit from going to war with us when we have no troops in the ME.

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            • thedoc00 says:

              Y0ou are a prime example why Rand Paul should be let no where near anything controlling foreign policy. There is more to defending the US than defending physical territory. This is the year 2018 and not 1800.

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              • Defending ME countries who don’t want to do it themselves is not defending the US. That region is an internal hot mess and always has been. We do not need our troops there. It harms us, not helps us. I didn’t say that for every region in the world but the ME is not America’s problem. Our country wasn’t founded to fight other countries wars and nation build.

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                • suejeanne1 says:

                  So if we just walk away from the ME – don’t do anything – no American eyes or ears to see what is going on – giving wider berth to China to walk all over everybody – I think China is like Hitler with Germany, needs more “lebensraum” and claims historical pretext for rolling over neighbors (like Hitler with the “Sudatenland”).

                  I don’t like the idea of forfeiting our presence anywhere – then, eventually, we will not even know what in the hell is going on anywhere until it is too late – like letting the Taliban overrun Afghanistan – the blowing up of the Bamiyaa Statues was a warning shot months before 9/11 –

                  I agree that we should not sacrifice our soldiers in wars where then the sacrifices are not even held to any value, the evildoers are allowed to retake the area and cause even more terror and suffering. But we need to know what in the hell is going on – and not abandon allies.

                  Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal – just gave it away because after all what were we doing with it, never mind the tremendous sacrifice and cost of building it – I don’t think we should give ANYTHING away that Americans paid for – Marvin Gardens or Park Place –

                  now I understand that a Chinese company is operating both ends of the Panama Canal – nice, really nice – some day they will tell our Navy ships not to even get anywhere near THEIR controlled area

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            • Sorry, your whole statement is wrong.
              We don’t have to go to war to bring Iran around.
              The ME is our problem.
              We DO have troops in the ME.

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        • That’s the excuse to keep us there for how many generations? The ME is not a stable region in the first place. So there will always be a vacuum. Us being there doesn’t make it better, it just adds our troops to the kill pile. And at trillions in cost that is destroying our country. By all means, let China and Russia have a go and they can bleed money and troops in that nightmare pit. You think Russia and/or China will be able to control or tame this region. Nope. They’ll get mired in it just like we are. We clearly learned nothing from foreign troops in the history of Afghanistan. Nation building is not our country’s job. We didn’t become a nation for that.

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        • WSB says:

          And Iran will try to attack.

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          • Let them. It’d be much harder to attack us in North America than delivering our troops to their front door to attack us there. Israel has plenty of fire power to attack Iran. Now that is the real issue. Iran wouldn’t be so much threatened by us if we didn’t have our military over there in their backyard. It’s Israel that has called for war with Iran forever and they want the U.S. to do it for them. No thanks. It doesn’t benefit Iran to attack us all the way over here in north America when we have no troops in the ME.

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            • EternalVigilanc3 says:

              I started typing a very detailed reply. Then I stopped. Why? Not gonna waste my time.

              As the Doc said “This is the year 2018 and not 1800.”
              It’s clear you haven’t read a single book on international relations
              Here ya go International Relations for beginners.
              Bonus you can save $600 and get the info for free.

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    • Peter Rabbit says:

      Looks like POTUS getting bad early advice on this, even Pompeo perhaps. Taking the Turkish bait and going to bring Khoshoghi fiancee to White House after her letter to WH. Very sketchy and moving far too quickly. Edogan smiling and lighting a big cigar. Let’s see what happens on actual evidence. Btw, why do we care so much about this “reporter”, a non US citizen. Erdogan has killed countless reporters over the years and no one seems to care about them. Al Zajeera initially reported that Khoshoggi left embassy 20 minutes after he walked in. Then quickly pulled story and jumped on anti Saudi bandwagon. His fiancee may be no more believable than Crissy Ford. Be careful POTUS.

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      • WSB says:

        Like Christine Ford. No corroborating evidence, no body.

        Why would the fiancée be writing a letter to POTUS and FLOTUS? Why not go to the American Embassy for marriage papers?

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      • thedoc00 says:

        The president was smart enough to temper his initial response, by adding “if proven”. He needs to slow down the rhetoric because an other major target of this effort is the US Stock Market, to cause allot of negative volatility heading into the mid terms. There are still too many people, media pundits and politicians who equate Wall Street and Economy as the same.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      I have been saying for the past few days that something doesn’t smell right with this situation with Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦. The Globalist and the Warmongers need to do everything in their power to drive a wedge between our two countries. They see that Iran 🇮🇷 is teetering on having their government overthrown and when that occurs, the ME will look and react a lot differently.

      They also realize that the GCC countries are building a rapport with Israel 🇮🇱. This is devastating for them and must be stopped at all costs.

      ISIS and Al Queda are being destroyed! Palestine 🇵🇸 is no longer receiving funding from us. Iran can’t afford to provide funding to them as well as other terrorist organizations.

      The MSM is doing the bidding for the Globalist and Warmongers! They keep on badgering our President. He knows it as well.

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    • Travagline says:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/11ogmQcyXOb-ABinOJ8vh_JRAFbu6Jrm6/view?usp=sharing
      Please look at a few things that I have gathered about this story. I believe it compliments your article very well. Another really important fact is that many journalists have gone missing and I have never seen this reaction by various countries over their loss. Although, any loss is one loss too many please don’t misunderstand me . . . I have just never seen countries react like this. I believe this story is being implanted into the media lexicon to mess up any good relations that the United States has with anyone. This story also makes me very suspicious of this action by Blumenthal . . . https://www.wtnh.com/news/politics/blumenthal-seeks-declassification-of-last-911-documents/1330722672 Anyone that is familiar with Blumenthal knows that he could care less about releasing any 911 documents. Did he do this to get the public talking about Saudi Arabia? Then once that thought is out in the public, evil decides to create this missing Khashoggi story as part of a last-ditch effort to distract away from the declassification of the documents that have been requested by Congress. We DO need to put an end to this never-ending fantasy about President Trump working with Russia to win the 2016 election? I believe the American people are sick of this story and want it to end. We also want those responsible for creating such an unbelievably stupid story about POTUS staying at a hotel with some cheap hooker who pees on a bed as somehow being related to him working with President Putin to win the 2016 election to be held accountable and charged. Have a great day. Share Love . . . not Hate… Support more Jobs . . . not mobs ;0)

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    • yucki says:

      I’ve written and linked extensively from Oct. 4 in the thread that follows the video embedded below.
      https://vladtepesblog.com/2018/10/13/brad-johnson-explains-two-events-from-turkey-this-week/#comment-444749

      The thread is an interview with retired CIA station chief, Brad Johnson:
      Brad Johnson, Oct 13 18, Turkey, and the Saudi journalist

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    • yucki says:

      MLK said:
      A word to the wise, MBS ain’t Trump’s little brother.

      For sure. This is an alien culture.
      The alliance between our countries is the cornerstone of PTrump’s Mideast strategy. Enormous resources have been poured into enhancing the image of this young man. To make him appealing to a skeptical American public. It’s first-rate PR, masterful work.

      It’s inappropriate to project sentimental Western notions of morality on to the young shiekh. We don’t have to love our allies: countries that share interests don’t have to be BFF. It just makes it easier if we pretend we do.

      That’s how Stalin became “Uncle Joe”. We’re primed to think of MbS as the hero we need as our proxy in the region. Straight out of central casting. That’s ok. Just don’t get lost in fantasy. Saudi Arabia is our ally, not soft-focus exotica.

      Adm. Ace Lyons gets it perfectly:
      Shared Interests but Not Shared Values – Khashoggi Disappearance
      https://townhall.com/columnists/admjamesalyons/2018/10/13/shared-interests-but-not-shared-values–khashoggi-disappearance-n2528071

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    • Pyrthroes says:

      However typical, and –given the players– geopolitically expedient, we in our innocence view these psychopathic back-alley razzias as destructive of every public principle.

      First they came for the spies and traitors… as one whose ancestry links to patriot militia’s interception of Major John Andre en route to Benedict Arnold at West Point, we appreciate rough play. But good golly, Miss Polly: Our heart is just not in it.

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  2. ThereIsNoTwoSystemsOnlyChiComs says:
  3. Convert says:

    I hope everybody is tweeting this info to EVERYBODY!

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  4. the media wants to break the deal
    between king salmon and President Trump! very obvious!

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    • covfefre999 says:

      Yes, absolutely. They’re fixated on it!

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    • YvonneMarie says:

      It is a hit piece, like the Kavanaugh slam.

      Liked by 14 people

    • CNN_sucks says:

      Wonder how much Erdogan paid the media?

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      • WSB says:

        Chis Wallace interviewd an aide to Xi this morning. He had been part of the echelon during the China and Mar- a-Lago visits. The man was blinking so hard his lies were really hurting him.

        But he did say how China learned how to pay money to the US media to place the advertising inserts they did to advertise their position.

        As fake as it was. Is this the same as content on facebook? I am confused.

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    • Forget the media. How is it a good deal for American citizens? Hey, you know the country that helped orchestrate 9/11 and is the biggest spreader of Islamic extremist terrorism which is antithetical to everything the U.S. is and stands for? Let’s sell them a billion dollars worth of our weapons that will be used to continue their reign of terror in their region and eventually be used against our own country, military and citizens!

      The U.S. has no national security interests in the ME that our troops should be there. Terrorism will remain after we leave but will be worse against us if we stay, as we have seen from one terrorist group forming after another. We can protect ourselves better without our soldiers in their countries.

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      • WSB says:

        Which pill do you want to take…the Bin Salman pill or the Iranian Mulluh pill.

        Your one time choice.

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        • thedoc00 says:

          He is stuck in the 1700 & 1800’s, fixated on “defending” physical territory and has no concept of modern threats.

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          • No. But you think the U.S. needs to be in wars all over the globe because why? There are threats that require our military presence, Southeast Asia for example. The ME is not for the U.S. to protect. They need to protect their own countries. Tell me what the vital national security interest is in the ME that the U.S. needs our military there.

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          • WSB says:

            Who? Which one? Because one of them wants to take the world out.

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        • You think it’s the job of Americans to protect ME countries?

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          • WSB says:

            If The US does not want to face a chaotic nuclear-weaponized Iran, yes.

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            • Israel can take care of Iran. That’s their job. Israel has nukes so you think Iran wouldn’t want them. That’s Israel’s problem, and the Saudis and the other Gulf states. We don’t exist to protect the ME. What, are the other countries in that region and the rest of the world busy. No, they just want the U.S. to fight their battles for them. Not our job. Trump hasn’t jumped in at this point with both feet militarily and Israel is doing its job hitting Iranian targets inside Syria. Israel has also stated repeatedly for years it will never allow Iran to get nukes. So there you go, let other countries do their job. Israel is certainly capable and we have no defense treaty with these ME countries, nor should we. Trump has stated repeatedly that we are there to take care of ISIS and then we are out. He even stated the obvious, how stupid are we to have gone into the ME in the first place and still be there.

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    • First thing I thought of:
      Saudi Arabia and the Canada spat.

      Why? Because….gut feeling.

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  5. Motzilla says:

    What has been will be again,
        what has been done will be done again;
        there is nothing new under the sun.
      -Ecclesiastes 1:9

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  6. Citizen 817 says:

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    • WSB says:

      “It seems to me the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, last seen in Istanbul, is Erdogan-brand Turkish taffy, a confection of sugary lies made to inflame Americans against the Saudis and aid the far more dangerous to our well-being mullahs of Iran.

      [snip]

      Hatice Cengiz, his purported fiancé who, we are told, waited for hours outside the Saudi consulate in vain for his exit, is connected to Qatar (an Iranian ally) which, like the Washington Post, has been promoting the story and has openly been critical of the Saudis, “While she claims to be Khashoggi’s fiancée, his family has denied ever hearing or knowing about her.” Also critical to this story are the purported eyewitness (Turan Kislakci) and the reporter (Jamal Eishayyal). Kislakci, who has led the protests against the Saudis, claimed that 15 Saudi operatives killed Khashoggi, which was debunked later by Turkish officials, who said that the 15-man team were investigators who entered with their agreement. Eishayyal, an Al Jazeera correspondent, is the brother of “the director of a Qatari-funded news website al-Araby al-Jadeed, which is supervised by the Muslim Brotherhood in Doha and in London and is run by Palestinian politicians, Asmi Bisharai, the adviser to the emir of Qatar. Their father is a leading Brotherhood figure who works for the Emir.”

      Meanwhile the Washington Post, which has yet to explain why it hired a Moslem Brotherhood propagandist, is still being fed anti-Saudi and anti-Trump nonsense by Khashoggi buddy Khaled Saffuri, “an aide to US Al-Qaeda fundraiser Abdurahman Alamoudi (currently in federal prison) and friend of convicted/deported Palestinian Jihad leader Sami al-Arian.”

      Read more:

      https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/turkish_taffy.html#ixzz5Txfp99zK
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  7. WeThePeople2016 says:

    The Iran Deal Corker has been pushing this narrative as well. As soon as I saw and heard him pushing this story line, I knew there was something fishy behind it.

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  8. I’d be watching what happens in Saudi Arabia over the next couple of weeks, I suspect this has been directed by members of the House of Saud that want MbS gone as they don’t agree with his reformist agenda and see him as a threat to their exuberant lifestyles.

    Time for round 2 of the MbS purge.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Yes. I think some hardliner Talaweedists in the Saudi IC are behind this – probably somebody MBS doesn’t suspect is sympathetic with Prince Nasty. I’ll bet is Rolodex is filled with those old Brennan contacts, too. I will bet the Saudi hardliners were told by the Brennan crew something like “do this, or TRUMP is going to get us on 9/11”.

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  9. covfefre999 says:

    This couple was about as real as Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik.

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  10. Citizen 817 says:

    If Turkey has solid evidence that Khashoggi was murdered and dismembered … put the evidence on the News!!!

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    • madeline says:

      Don’t worry Nellie and Christopher Steel are on it…Wait for it to be reported on in the NYT or W POST.

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    • California Joe says:

      They do! Christine Ford was a witness to the kidnapping, murder and disposing the body.

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    • I agree. As well, if Saudi Arabia didn’t murder him inside the Saudi consulate then they need to show the camera footage of Khashoggi leaving because he is certainly last seen on camera entering the Saudi consulate.

      Bottom line is, Americans should not be on either one of their sides. Neither country are our allies. Both countries are bad for American interests.

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  11. graphiclucidity says:

    All I know is that Erdogan better cough up that Apple Watch audio of the murder with the quickness, or this entire media storm will collapse back on to them.

    I couldn’t care less either way, but, frankly, it’s time to sh*t or get off the pot.

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      My understanding of how the cloud works in Turkey is nilsky (Russian for “nil”). Can your watch actually upload to the cloud even in Turkey – don’t you have to have a password, an internet connection of some type?

      Also, if the torture and murder and dismemberment were all “captured” in the cloud through his iWatch, that boggles my mind that they wouldn’t be looking down at his hands when they initially took him captive and bound up his wrists – I mean, how did they go through the entire procedures of torturing him, killing him and then doing all those other awful things without noticing the watch?

      Hitman: say, what is that you have there?

      JK where?

      Hitman: what dya mean where, that’s a nice watch

      JK it’s a Rolex

      Hitman: nah, that’s not a Rolex, that’s one of those Apple watches isn’t it?

      JK oh, really? I didn’t realize that. I thought the guy was selling me a Rolex,
      I will have to go see him about that as soon as I am finished here

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  12. Citizen 817 says:

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    • She may be but that doesn’t mean the Saudis didn’t murder Khashoggi and that that would make it okay of they did, by U.S. terms anyway. If the Saudis wanted to punish Khashoggi, they should have arrested him at the consulate and taken him back to Saudi Arabia. It’s not like the whole world doesn’t know the Saudis are Islamic extremists and have draconian laws.

      The Muslim Brotherhood should have been declared a terrorist organization in the U.S. long ago and when they are, we have rules of law that you would charge someone and give them a trial, not lure them into your consulate overseas and murder him. I just don’t know why any American would be trying to defend the Saudis, or Turkey under Erdogan. Both bad.

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      • Its called timing.
        Especially when we need Saudi support for Iran pressure.

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      • RedEchos says:

        By US terms it would be very bad, but that is not the standard here. He was not a US citizen, it did not happen on US soil, and neither US citizens nor agents for the US are accused of participating. In short: we don’t have a dog in this fight.

        By your logic we cannot police the world. So why are you insisting, on one hand, that we care about something in the Middle East while also insisting, on the other hand, that we need to get out of the Middle East?

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        • “By your logic we cannot police the world. So why are you insisting, on one hand, that we care about something in the Middle East while also insisting, on the other hand, that we need to get out of the Middle East?”

          Because we are currently involved with Saudi Arabia and policing the ME. My point is we shouldn’t be. Until then if we keep Saudi Arabia as an ally and if we act like it’s fine if they murder journalists then we are saying we are no better than they are and we approve. So it really adds on to getting us out of the ME since these are not the kind of people we need to be fighting for. If we had no relations with the Saudis then we wouldn’t have a dog in the fight of having an opinion. On the other hand, we criticize Putin for killing journalist who write badly about him and impose sanctions. But if the Saudis do it then it’s okay. I want us to cut ties and get our troops out.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      OK – now this is making sense. I KNEW she was sketchy.

      Given this level of sketchiness, we should not assume that she was not fully aware that BAD THINGS were going to happen to Khashoggi, and her job was to deliver him.

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    • annieoakley says:

      So is Huma Abedin a Muslim Brotherhood.

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  13. Citizen 817 says:

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  14. Citizen 817 says:

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  15. “SAUDI ARABIA SAYS IT WILL HIT BACK TWICE AS HARD AGAINST ANY SANCTIONS OVER KHASHOGGI”

    Well, well, well. I just said in an earlier post that the Saudis, the spreaders of Wahhabism terror, including the alleged reformer MBS, just released an official statement warning great retaliation against ANY country that tries to sanction Saudi Arabia over the murder of Khashoggi. You know, because Khashoggi was a Saudi citizen and in true Saudi extremist terror fashion, they can murder any Saudi they want to on Saudi property. So there USA and the world. But by all means let’s keep sending our troops over there to protect foreigners in the ME so they can in turn keep attacking us because that’s why we fought for our own independent nation from the British in 1776.

    From the Daily Caller:

    “In a statement titled “Official Source: KSA [Kingdom of Saudi Arabia] confirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it,” Saudi Arabia said “that if it receives any action, it will respond with greater action.”

    ““The kingdom affirms its total rejection of any threats and attempts to undermine it, whether by threatening to impose economic sanctions, using political pressures, or repeating false accusations that will not undermine the Kingdom and its staunch positions and Arab, Islamic and international status, the outcome of these weak endeavors, like their predecessors, is a demise” it reads.”

    If our elected representatives in the U.S. govt., including Trump, don’t cut ties with Saudi Arabia once and for all, then we can all blame our U.S. domestic enemies for continuing to harm the U.S. by keeping company with the murderers of American citizens, Saudi Arabia. And no Pres. Trump, Americans don’t care more about money and jobs in regards to the Saudi arms deal over the safety of our own country and our independence. We don’t need to be and therefore should never be in the position of depending on enemy foreigners for anything, or allies for that matter. Same with China. We don’t want them to destroy and own us in exchange for cheap crap made in China. These are not American interests. They’re foreign and big corporate interests.

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    • covfefre999 says:

      I’m not assuming that their reaction is directed at the US. I just saw a little while ago that the UK, Germany, and France issued a joint strong statement threatening punishment. Trump is waiting for some credible evidence.

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      • It may not be but the Saudis are not our friends. They are our enemy. Even though we are and should wait for the results of an investigation, if we did then impose sanctions, MBS would still threaten and retaliate against the U.S. That’s who the Saudis are. So far the circumstantial evidence is not good. He was last seen going into the Saudi consulate and never leaving. There is no way there aren’t cameras at all entrances, front and back, of the Saudi consulate. They should have footage of him exiting alive, if he indeed did.

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    • tarstarkas says:

      We need evidence of Khashoggi’s death or disappearance such the film of him going into the embassy or his being killed in it; the apple watch, with data intact; his body (or a piece of it); or something. Anything. Right now we have a bunch of ever-changing assertions by spokesman of a wannabe tyrant (Erdogan) who hates Trump for not turning over Gulen to him and imposing sanctions on him for allowing the Chinese to run steel through his country to avoid tariffs. The original story was just too lurid, like the purported pee tape, also the fact the the story breaker is a longtime MB member and AQ supporter.

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      • There is camera footage evidence of Khashoggi entering the Saudi consulate and never leaving. That is a problem. And both MBS and Erdogan are not friends of the U.S. Neither can be trusted.

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        • Sentient says:

          Who owns the cameras?

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          • The Saudi consulate will have their own cameras. It’s the same as having an embassy in any foreign country. That is technically the property and sovereign space of the foreign country. Not to mention for their own protection of their own consulate, they would have their own cameras at all entrances. Just as the U.S. or any other foreign country would.

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            • WSB says:

              You have no idea if this consulate is an Al-Waleed/Erdowan infested facility or not. Posting refutable claims can be easily debunked.

              Wait for evidence. Save us from your posts.

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              • You think MBS wouldn’t have cleaned the whole house last summer and not just inside Saudi Arabia. He isn’t dumb enough to leave Alwaleed or his friends in any power position that would threaten MBS. These iron fist rulers don’t do it half baked. Otherwise his time on earth would be short.

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                • WSB says:

                  You have no idea what is going on here.

                  If the story is that there are recordings inside that embassy, how would Erdogan or anyone be able to do that inside a sovereign consulate, including Khashoggi?

                  And iPhones would not be connected to iWatches over there.

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            • RedEchos says:

              They could also be giving the Turk enough rope to hang himself.

              I say wait until the evidence is released. I will not automatically condemn the Saudis on the word of the Turk.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      You really are a clown. Do you even read or watch any news at all. It has been the US Congress and media for the past 48 hours trumpeting sanctions and other bad things for the US to initiate vs Saudi Araba before any evidence is even produced.

      Go back to your closet and come out when you are told.

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  16. cripto says:

    As I said yesterday a fishy tale. No evidence, no habeas corpus just speculation rising to lies and spin so far.

    Doesn’t seem like this is a simplistic MB vs anti-MB fight.

    The entire Arab League is standing with SA and even Abbas. Read the individual country statements from Bahrain to Yeman here:
    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2018/10/15/Arab-Muslim-leaders-voice-solidarity-with-Saudi-Arabia.html
    Also reported that the King of the KSA spoke with Erdogan to resolve this.

    Looks like RT is cackling over the President’s interview on 60 minutes suggesting that it confirms that Gen Mattis will be leaving, though from what I have read it is wishful thinking.

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  17. NannyG says:

    Despite all the screams from our Left (media and politicians) our president Trump seems, at present, to be keeping his head.
    The Left is continuing it’s “proof?, who needs proof?” level of idiocy that they used unsuccessfully against Justice Kavanaugh.

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    • CountryClassVulgarian says:

      …and people are still falling for the nonsense. As long as they left says you are guilty, gosh darnit you are guilty. Evidence? We don’t need evidence. Recep Tayyip is even purer than “Dr.” Ford. He must be believed.

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  18. azchick says:

    I don’t believe anything Erdogan says. Crown Prince MbS has been reforming Saudi and LOTS of the radical Islamist that financed OBL, pay for brain washing Islamist schools all over the world including many in America and the Caliphate, don’t like it. My $$ is on the Prince taking ’em Turkey out.

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  19. thedoc00 says:

    The full blown discredit the president before midterms and assist Iran in a single operation. So much for unity in the Republican party including the GOPe and RINO’s. Working hard to snatch defeat from victory.

    Notice, the democrats are chiming in, letting the Republicans do all the dirty work.

    Hopefully the president stays the course and does not abandon Saudi’s at this time. He can make a simple statement to stabilize the situation. He can even state he will let evidence be presented and deal with the situation as it evolves.

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    • Stab, the unstoppable hero says:

      Say… Where has John Kerry been hanging around lately?
      Yachting on the Bosporus? Trying to ride a bicycle around Istanbul perhaps?

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    • thedoc00 says:

      In addition, this is a full blown effort to ensure at least 1 more week of high volatility on Wall Street. The president needs to get in front of this because there is more at stake here than US-Saudi relationships. This is a major multi-objective assault.

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  20. covfefre999 says:

    Some reports claim that the Saudis used a saw to dismember Khashoggi. And yet the Saudis have invited Turkish police and the media to search their consulate. I think a saw would cause drops of blood to splatter all over the place, it would be hard to get it all cleaned up.

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  21. stablesort says:

    There is no evidence of a crime let alone evidence proving guilt. Therefor, the Saudis must be guilty because it aids the Democrat party narrative.

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  22. rumpole2 says:

    Saudis are very stabby people…. Turkey is a very stabby place…… shit happens.

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  23. Anetra says:

    Deep state propaganda. P E R I O D.

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  24. Jake says:

    Thanks SD for going after this. Keep digging for details and connecting the dots. This whole effort is a FF to keep the Donald from declassifying the FISA documents. If he does that this week, Khashoggi will be forgotten quickly.

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  25. Listen to this jerk! It’s a plan to break ties between trump and king salmon.

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  26. jeans2nd says:

    “It has been virtually confirmed by official circles within the Al Saud family that Khashoggi was an agent in the employ of Riyadh and the CIA during the Soviet presence in Afghanistan.”

    “One of the main criticisms of Khashoggi coming from factions loyal to Abdullah was that he had recruited and paid several journalists on behalf of the CIA during his time as an editor. Such an accusation would conform with the widespread practice of the CIA seeking to influence the media, and therefore public opinion, and to put pressure on leaders failing to do what Washington wants.”

    “To fully understand what has led to the disappearance of Khashoggi, it is important to dissect the career of Turki bin Faisal Al-Saud, Khashoggi’s political protector.”

    “Turki bin Faisal Al-Saud was at the center of relations between Washington and Saudi Arabia, committed to inflicting as much damage as possible on the USSR while it was in Afghanistan, with the help of foreign fighters (those who later became known as Al Qaeda) armed by Pakistan and financed by the Saudis.”
    -more- https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/12/killing-saudi-journalist-khashoggi-could-spell-end-for-mohammad-bin-salman.html

    Obama and Erdogan are behind this, plus prob Brennan. MBS and Pres Trump are too close, and Israel is working behind the scenes with MBS. Erdogan knew when Khashoggi would be at the Saudi Embassy in Turkey.

    Would not be surprised if Erdogan had this done himself, in conjunction with Obama/Brennan, not the Saudis. Plus, what better way to pressure Pres Trump to relieve Turkey’s sanctions?
    Pres Trump is changing the world economic order. No one – NO ONE – wants Pres Trump to succeed. It would appear the aim is to totally isolate Pres Trump not only in D.C., but all over the world.

    There is more –

    All that said, the Saudis are not our friends. imo Remember 9/11

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    • I knew it’s a hit piece interview tonight! Not watching. But

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Great stuff! Thanks.

      As for 9/11, remember – the Saudis were almost certainly not alone behind it. Once I saw the efforts over YEARS that OUR dirty Cabal went to CLEAR A PATH for 9/11 to happen – well – it changes everything.

      How do you turn the US into a socialist police state? GIVE IT A REASON to become a non-socialist police state, that conservatives will accept. Change the state infrastructure FIRST, then change the government.

      Brennan. Saudis. 9/11. NOW do you see the desperation? NOW do you see how he has reached for his FINAL resources? This ALL makes sense.

      Samantha Power warned POTUS and the American People about Brennan. But the PEOPLE warned her about JUSTICE. And JUSTICE IS COMING.

      WaPo has now committed acts which bring into question whether FAKE NEWS will be standing trial for what it has done.

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    • WSB says:

      Again, remember that A-Waleed is a different warring faction from Bin Salman. Always remember that.

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    • SJM says:

      FINIAN CUNNINGHAM | 14.10.2018 |

      Did Saudis, CIA Fear Khashoggi 9/11 Bombshell?

      The macabre case of missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi raises the question: did Saudi rulers fear him revealing highly damaging information on their secret dealings? In particular, possible involvement in the 9/11 terror attacks on New York in 2001.

      Even more intriguing are US media reports now emerging that American intelligence had snooped on and were aware of Saudi officials making plans to capture Khashoggi prior to his apparent disappearance at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week. If the Americans knew the journalist’s life was in danger, why didn’t they tip him off to avoid his doom?
      https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/10/14/did-saudis-cia-fear-khashoggi-9-11-bombshell.html

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  27. Ziiggii says:

    Thanks SD for putting these pieces together because I said this story smelled days ago…

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  28. The Radar Guy says:

    Suddenly, out of nowhere, Khashoggi is ubiquitous in the news – someone no one has ever heard of before. I just checked the Wash Post (I guess the reason we Americans should care at all) and his “byline” started one year ago?? (a sixty year old man is suddenly a “journalist”)…. The bylines are simply rant after rant complaining about SA (think Acosta talking about PDJT)…. Not even clear to me if his byline even ran in the print version of the paper….

    This stinks to high heaven. There is obviously a deep state (with their partners in the media) operation.. The coordinated approach from liberal media has that Glen Simpson/Fusion GPS stench all over it…

    Like the Blasey Ford scheme, until someone shows some indisputable evidence, I won’t believe a thing about this case….

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  29. Joshua2415 says:

    I know nothing about this Kashoggi guy. I don’t know if he is alive or dead. If he is dead, I don’t know who killed him, where, or when it happened. And nobody reporting on it knows either. They are all either guessing or pushing the approved narrative.
    What I do know is that it is none of our damn business how the savages over there treat each other. Whatever happened, or didn’t happen, it’s not worth one ounce of American blood. We should stay clear of it. Enough already!

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  30. IMO says:

    PJ Media by David P. Goldman October 14, 2018 German Press Reveals Saudi Spook Saga Behind Khashoggi Disappearance | Spengler
    https://archive.is/C0FLI

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  31. daughnworks247 says:

    Glad to see the President is rational and objective. With all the same bad actors hyperventilating, Brennan, Saffuri, Isikoff, and the same media tempests, we are deeply suspicious. We’ve been down this road before. We’ve learned.
    Khashoggi is a Saudi. He’s worked for WaPost for less than a year and definitely NOT full time. In fact, he formed a political party in 2018 to oppose MBSalam. He’s also regarded as head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Saudi Arabia.
    On top of the disappearance/murder of Khashoggi, that the same actors are immediately calling for a halt to $120 billion in arms sales, where one issue has nothing to do with the other, turns casual suspicion into flashing red warning lights.
    Are we all hesitant about Saudi Arabia? Yes, but our concern about 9/11 is tied to the radical faction of Saudis, the Al-Waleed group, and MB. These are exactly the people MBSalam is fighting, with the help of the USA, the Israelis, and others within the 51 countries of the GCC.
    Unless there is real evidence, in this case, I’ll say it, I’m 100% with Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salam.

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  32. cripto says:

    Erdogan is totally isolated. Analysis should follow from that reality.
    Whether he started the rumours or jumped in with two left feet, he will be dialing it back and hoping it all just goes away. What a knucklehead.

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  33. Citizen 817 says:

    German Press Reveals Saudi Spook Saga Behind Khashoggi Disappearance

    Germany’s leading right-of-center daily Die Welt this morning reveals that Jamal Khashoggi was not a journalist, but a high-level operative for the Saudi intelligence service, an intimate of Osama bin Laden, and the nephew of the shadiest of all Arab arms dealers, the infamous Adnan Khashoggi. John Bradley reported last week in the Spectator that Khashoggi, who allegedly met a grisly end in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul, was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist organization that among other things wants to replace the Saudi monarchy with a modern Islamist totalitarian state.

    So much for the whining in the Establishment media about freedom of the press and protection of the rights of journalists. The presumed-dead Khashoggi was a top-level spook who swore fealty to some of the Arab world’s nastiest elements, and who played a high-stakes game in Saudi spookdom. We don’t know why he disappeared, but we know what we don’t know.

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/german-press-reveals-saudi-spook-saga-behind-khashoggi-disappearance/

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  34. G. Combs says:

    Khashoggi????

    Jamal Khashoggi is the nephew of Adnan Khashoggi. https://www.voanews.com/a/who-is-jamal-khashoggi/4610403.html

    That name rings a bell and I have a file on the guy:
    From my old notes:
    Maurice Strong (Chair of First Earth Summit) did business deals with arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi….

    “At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver North, in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. “
    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/03/17/030317fa_fact

    “As early as 1968, Khashoggi’s Triad organization held a small block of stock in Arizona-Colorado…In 1965 – at about the time that Lufkin was emerging with the new Arizona-Colorado – Khashoggi decided to reorganize his own blossoming business empire, expanding its perimeters to enable it to participate in more sophisticated and technical projects which would require multi-national contacts. Alnasr Trading in this process evoIved into the Triad Group of Companies, and Khashoggi moved into big time arms sales for U.S., French and British companies.
    As the name Triad indicates, there are three related persons involved in the company: Khashoggi and his two younger brothers: Adil, 39, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, and Essam, 36, a graduate of California State University in San Jose. the Triad Group is involved in a broad spectrum of investments: housing in France, banking in California, a slaughterhouse in Brazil, the sale and maintenance of cars and trucks in Saudi Arabia (Khashoggi collected $50-million in commissions for Chrysler products alone between 1953 and 1973) and on and on and on….”

    http://www.politicalfriendster.com/rateConnection.php?id1=174&id2=297
    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Adnan_Khashoggi

    http://www.slate.com/id/2058706

    “Six Degrees of Adnan Khashoggi,” Adnan Khashoggi is connected to every shocking event that has occurred since 1960, usually by no more than one or two degrees. A partial list would include Iran-Contra, Wedtech, BCCI, the Marcos Philippine kleptocracy, the Synfuels fiasco, and the discovery of buried mustard gas in the pricy Spring Valley neighborhood of Washington, D.C
    Lunch With the Chairman http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/03/17/030317fa_fact

    Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi?
    middleman for American companies such as Lockheed, Northrop, Raytheon and Boeing. http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/story/0,,2093214,00.html

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  35. Let me get this straight. There are many who feel we should go to war over the murder of a journalist? Am I missing something here?

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  36. tav144 says:

    I have been searching for hours to find any information on this incident that was outside the mainstream narrative. This is all I’ve been able to find that has some interesting tidbits I’ve not heard anywhere. Interesting that if it is true that the Saudi round up last year was a result of Kushner revealing they were CIA assets (and included Khashoggi), it’s interesting that a month later Kushner’s security clearance was revoked.

    How do we even know that the video supposed to be Khashoggi really IS Khashoggi? It strains belief that the Saudi’s would be so careless if this were the true

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    • G. Combs says:

      You forgot the beginning — The Las Vegas massacre at Mandalay Bay.

      ISIS claims attack https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/916000595177299968

      Jim Murren, chairman and CEO of MGM Resorts International, owner of the Mandalay Bay, Donates to matching funds to CAIR and Southern Poverty Law Center.
      Aug 23 2017 “…In response to what he sees as the racism, bigotry, intolerance and violence in the wake of Charlottesville, Murren announced last week that MGM will match employee contributions to a collection of groups that include extreme leftist organizations and Muslim advocacy outfits….” (wwwDOT)reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/commentary-mgms-ceo-risks-angering-many-of-his-customers/

      “The Four Seasons is located on floors 35 to 39 of the Mandalay Bay. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns the hotel.” http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/144155094#p144155094

      Prince Alwaleed bin Talal was among the 11 Princes, arrested in Saudi Arabia. Others arrested include two of Abdullah’s sons — Prince Mutaib, the former head of the National Guard once considered a possible contender for the throne, Prince Turki, the former governor of Riyadh, and Bakr Bin Laden, chairman of the Saudi Binladen Group.

      Why Saudi Prince bin Talal’s ‘friends’ haven’t protested his arrest
      “… Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal One of the world’s richest men and most sought-after investors has been under arrest and even reportedly tortured for more than three weeks….”https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/why-saudi-prince-bin-talals-friends-havent-protested-his-arrest-commentary.html

      True Pundit:
      “The “official” narrative you’ve been fed by the FBI and Las Vegas officials about the massacre at Mandalay Bay that claimed 58 lives is purely fiction…..

      When FBI brass was given evidence that the shooting was possibly linked to ANTIFA radicals working with an ISIS-linked terror faction — including the full identities of some of the suspects with ties to both radical groups and at or near Mandalay Bay the night of the deadly shooting — agents were never instructed to follow up on the investigation and pursue the suspects.
      When intelligence officials approached the FBI and LVMPD with external evidence that Paddock was only one member of an organized terror cell — which included as many as five gunman who planned to fire from the Mandalay Bay suite — the compelling evidence was covered up. Never pursued.
      When FBI brass was provided with forensic evidence that Paddock’s death was not a suicide, the intelligence was never pursued by the FBI and LVMPD. FBI sources said Paddock suffered two gunshots. His autopsy report only details a single bullet to the head. FBI sources maintain Paddock’s autopsy was doctored and is a fraud.
      When an ISIS-linked “businessman” from Turkey was pinpointed in the investigation — and found to be residing near Las Vegas at the time of the shooting — FBI agents were not instructed to follow up and pursue intelligence leads showing possible links to the massacre.

      FBI and intelligence officials believe Paddock and associates chose to strike the Las Vegas country music concert with over 22,000 people because they likely supported President Trump. FBI agents said they were instructed to keep that key motive quiet too.
      When MGM refused to share cctv footage from Mandalay Bay, FBI agents were threatened by superiors that any whistle blowers divulging such revelations to the media would lose their jobs. The FBI still has never been provided all the camera footage from the Mandalay Bay, FBI agents said.

      When FBI agents and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives informed FBI bosses that Paddock didn’t start buying dozens of guns until after Trump’s election, they were told to keep that fact quiet and shrouded….”
      https://truepundit.com/after-threats-fbis-las-vegas-moles-promise-to-break-shooting-mystery-wide-open-with-bombshells/

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      • tav144 says:

        Good stuff. I’ve seen some of this but after reading it and what I linked to earlier, it appears to me that what is going on is an internal civil war between the Prince Bin Salman and Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal factions — and CIA /Brennan /Deep Staters are aligned with the latter. Bin Salman however does not want this aired, even though it would exonerate him to a great degree (also in the Khashoggi incident as well), because culturally they believe it would be seen as weakness. Right now, even though he’s not behind the Khashoggi incident (CIA connected Alwaleed is IMO), he doesn’t want to reveal that these traitor’s to him were able to do that.
        I think it’s better to just lay it all out there.

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  37. Everyone wondered how Trump got the pastor.
    He was traded for a Saudi prince.

    -Or-

    Trump leaned on Erdogan, Erdogan caved, but Turkey slapped us with this as a parting shot (and to distract their population from loss to Trump).

    *that’s one thing Trump hasn’t accounted for, the loss of face of foreign leaders as they are forced to cave. Trudeau spins the loss, but other heads of state have to resort to…. Other things.

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  38. IMO this has Iran written all over it. They desperately need a bad guy. Their economy is in tatters and the strikes continue. They fear a united SA/USA and they most certainly don’t want the arms deal to go through.

    I have no doubt that Mr. Khashoggi was murdered by an Iranian hit squad and they framed SA for it. The Iranians worked with O and ValJar who were ready with the orders to the enemedia to spread the word. Come on. We have seen this before. It’s all over the enemedia (so it must be true) and here comes the call for ___ (fill in the blank). We need to recognize all enemedia propaganda for what it is because we have seen this coordinated dog/pony so many times.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Fortunately, president Trump does not let the FakeNews media control foreign policy any more. Much to the chagrin of misterBezos’ Washington Post … those days are long gone.

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  39. Mark Ryyan says:

    If Brennan is outraged by a probable offing of Khashoggi, then it is likely that this may be something just and due. That is a flag to be considered. I’d want to know quite a bit more about Khashoggi before I settled on a position. Daniel Greenfield offers up quite a bite.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271623/jamal-khashoggi-media-fights-muslim-brotherhood-daniel-greenfield

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      Well, if crazy Brennan likes the guy he must also hate America.
      Let’s keep our distance allow the Saudis to figure this out.

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  40. TreeClimber says:

    I don’t know if this is relevant or not, just throwing it out there… my husband and I watch Monday Night Raw and Smackdown, plus the pay-per-views. Linda McMahon is part of POTUS’ cabinet… and WWE, despite being supported almost exclusively by leftist sponsors, has a tendency to follow the political game around. Just were playing buddy-buddy with MsB? Let’s have our PPV in Jeddah! Problems in Canada? We’re going to Toronto! MAGA rally in (I think it was) Pennsylvania (or maybe it was Michigan)? Let’s have Raw thirty miles away the next night! Problems in KSA? We’re headed back (Riyad?)!

    I currently have a theory (and unless someone has a convincing argument otherwise) that Vince, or one of the other McMahons, is an unofficial member of the State Dept. I think it’s Crown Jewel, November’s PPV, that’s going to be in Saudi Arabia. I expect a satisfactory resolution a week or so beforehand.
    That being said I’m now wondering if this whole thing wasn’t cooked up between POTUS and MsB… or at least PTrump had foreknowledge…

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  41. in1unison says:

    I think we need to put this in proper context:

    * Turkey is ranked 157 (out of 180) on the Freedom of the Press list, jailing well over hundred journalists (including foreign ones) since 2016. Where does this concern about fate of one journalist come from?
    * This particular journalist is MB operative and WaPo employee, both very staunch supporters of President Trump…not.
    * MSM narrative is that “Fake News” rhetoric from President is endangering lives of journalists.

    …therefore I see this as a attempt to embarrass our President if he does not act upon this “obvious” act of violence against a journalist. Implicating Saudis and souring US/ SA relationship is a bonus.

    Just my five cents.

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  42. RAC says:

    If it reads like the script of a bad unbelievable movie it’s 99.99r% sure there’s bad actors instigating and manipulating. I’ll trust PDJT to get the evidence and make the right moves.

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  43. weareallandrew says:

    Beheaders chopping one anotber up. Its all good.

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  44. theanniechrist says:

    I haven’t seen this mentioned yet; sorry if it has been. On Oct. 4th, a security guard at Fethullah Gulen’s place in PA fired a ‘warning shot’ at an ‘apparent intruder’. No idea if it’s related but the timing seems odd. Gulen is the Imam that Erodogan blames for the coup attempt; he wants to US to extradite him back to Turkey. https://www.actionnewsnow.com/content/national/495065631.html

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  45. anothermike says:

    I think we should all reserve judgement until we have seen the crucial footage of Kashoggi “not leaving” the embassy in Turkey.

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  46. Bulldog84 says:

    If no one can confirm what happened, isn’t it best to delay any official reaction?

    If the man was worried for his safety, why go into the consulate alone?

    Isn’t there a Saudi consulate in Washington, DC? Why not do business there instead of in Turkey, particularly if he was residing in the US?

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  47. TwoLaine says:

    According to everything I’ve heard up to this point, I never had any intention of believing this event happened, or being outraged over it. WHY? It’s very simple:

    Saudi
    Journalist
    Washington Post
    Muslim Brotherhood Member

    #FakeNews

    America is not getting into wars over fake “journ-o-listas”, and especially not one for the WAPO who is a Member of the Muslim Brotherhood. In fact, I don’t really care what happened to him. He’s not American, nor was he on American soil, or in an American Consulate. Why is it any of our business?

    We have 1,600 Hondurans (???) headed for our Southern border. We have UnCivil ANGRY MOBs of DIMs trying to MURDER our representatives and TORCH our country. We have Governors and States NOT COMPLYING with OUR LAWS, letting criminal illegal aliens on the street to murder and rape and pillage some more. Our Law Enforcement members are being MURDERED in record numbers.

    #ShinyObjectduJour

    Ask the supposed American Press, When will you care about Americans? WHEN?

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  48. Just Beachy says:

    Just read a tweet: Walks like and Op, quacks like an Op… Americans can get behind a simple statement from Pompeo that while we’re concerned, we’re letting Saudi officials lead the investigation into the death of one of their citizens. I don’t know an American that would have an issue with Trump saying yes, its tragic. My first priority has to be American citizens. If I learn anything, I’ll let you know.
    Not our monkey. Not our circus. Watch the fake news MSM lose it.
    As icing on the cake, he can make the statement from Hurricane Michael ground zero today. Perfect optics. Perfect.

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  49. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    “In high school, Jamal Khashoggi had a good friend. His name was Osama bin Laden. ‘We were hoping to establish an Islamic state, anywhere,’ Khashoggi reminisced about their time together in the Muslim Brotherhood. ‘We believed that the first one would lead to another, and that would have a domino effect which could reverse the history of mankind.’
    The friendship endured with Jamal Khashoggi following Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan. Khashoggi credited Adel Batterjee, listed at one time as one of the world’s foremost terrorist financiers by the Treasury Department, with bringing him to Afghanistan to report on the fighting.
    The media calls Khashoggi a journalist, but his writings from ’80s Afghanistan read as Jihadist propaganda with titles like, ‘Arab Mujahadeen in Afghanistan II: Exemplifies the Unity of Islamic Ummah’.
    And when Osama bin Laden set up Al Qaeda, he called Khashoggi with the details. After Afghanistan, Jamal Khashoggi went to work as a media adviser for former Saudi intel boss, Prince Turki bin Faisal, alleged to have links to Al Qaeda. Those allegations came from, among others, Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged twentieth 9/11 hijacker.” ~ Daniel Greenfield at FrontPageMag today.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271623/jamal-khashoggi-media-fights-muslim-brotherhood-daniel-greenfield

    Just because the MuslimBrotherhood loving crooks at the Washington Post and their leftwing media allies sing the praises of this missing person; there is no good reason to condemn our Saudi allies for that terrorist’s disappearance!

    M A G A ~~ VOTE GOP ~~

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