Conflicting Reports Over DOJ and FBI “Classification” and “Redaction Removal”…

There is nuance within the directive for declassification by President Trump.  The sets of documents are not identical in the way they are classified within the intelligence apparatus.  There are distinct differences and conflicting reports [Bloomberg Report and Washington Examiner] perhaps based on conflation and miss-identification of those differences. First, Sara Carter:

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Breaking down the presidential directive to the four component parts helps  understanding the issue(s), and the likelihood for redactions within the release(s):

  • (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page;
  • (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation;
  • (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.
  • (4) publicly release of all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.

(1)pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page.”

This request is generally familiar; and the proprietary interest/ownership of the document, the June 29th, 2017 FISA renewal application, is already in the hands of DNI Dan Coats.   While DNI Coats will likely follow the process of requesting feedback from the IC community (mostly FBI and DOJ), the removal of prior redactions -and the subsequent declassification- is pretty straight forward.

(2) “all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation.”

This request is a little less straight forward; but from the sketchy DOJ and FBI perspective, also not that big an issue.  This is simply releasing the dozen FD-302 reports from FBI officials debriefing  and interviewing Bruce Ohr.  There may be some valid sources and methods that need to be redacted (ex. if Ohr mentioned a human source or intelligence asset); however, the redactions should likely be very minimal.

(3) “all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.”

This is where the corrupt FBI and DOJ begin to get twitchy.  This is a high risk declassification for the corrupt intelligence usurpers.  This section appears to be where  former CIA Director John Brennan is demanding DNI Coats and the FBI and DOJ leadership must defy the president.  It is in this request for all “reports and interviews” where the intelligence assets (ie. Stefan Halper, Joseph Mifsud, Alexander Downer) and those intelligence sources who helped frame the Crossfire Hurricane operation are located.

Here, the FBI and DOJ will likely demand HEAVY redactions because revealing names could lead to questions, subpoenas and testimony.  In this section it is likely Dan Coats would concur with redacting “sources and methods”. Redactions would be anticipated in this part of the declassification fulfillment (even if it wasn’t corrupt).

These three declassification directions are submitted to Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats to follow the process for declassification.  However, not #4:

Then comes the political ‘biggie’:

(4) “publicly release of all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr”.

Key words”publicly release” and “without redaction“.  Within this part of the directive the thousands of prior redactions are removed.  There’s no valid reason for any of the redactions to have been put into place originally.  Obviously someone inside the DOJ/FBI redacted those messages in an attempt to mitigate risk.  No-one knows who made the decisions; and the FBI and DOJ never answered any prior questions about their reasoning.

The instructions within this section of the directive are not targeted to DNI Dan Coats; these instructions are directly to the FBI and DOJ:

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr. (full citation)

Presumably all of these messages were created over mobile devices, transmitted via open internet, likely did not carry authorized encryption, and therefore should not contain classified information upon creation.  However, in this informal messaging and discussion there is likely high-risk to discovering additional details about the motives of the corrupt FBI investigation and their actions; hence the prior redactions.

Additionally, beyond redactions there are segments of the prior Page/Strzok messages where it appears message segments were removed entirely. Example:

  • Lisa Page: “(Trump’s) not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”
  • Peter Strzok: “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.”

That reply from Strzok was never included in the release from the FBI. The FBI intentionally hid the Strzok reply.  The OIG only discovered it after their independent forensics noted the omission. Daily Caller [SEE HERE].

(See Page #334)

We already know the unnamed FBI officials doing the redactions were caught intentionally removing critical messages. There is no valid reason to justify any redactions or removals within this segment of the declassification directive.

Making an educated assumption here – it appears the DOJ and FBI segment with Sara Carter is likely describing this #4 section of the release.  This section is highly reliant on the FBI (Wray) and DOJ (Rosenstein), because DNI Dan Coats did not, and does not, possess the underlying text message documents; and the text messages themselves are not considered classified material.

As previously stated, the corrupt elements within the FBI and DOJ are going to fight against transparency and sunlight; they will be bolstered by corrupt democrats who are attempting to hide the prior administration malfeasance.  Their unified goal will be to delay and obstruct as long as possible. We have to wait and see what ultimately comes from this presidential directive.

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432 Responses to Conflicting Reports Over DOJ and FBI “Classification” and “Redaction Removal”…

  1. scott467 says:

    “(3) “all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.”

    This is where the corrupt FBI and DOJ begin to get twitchy. This is a high risk declassification for the corrupt intelligence usurpers. ”

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    It’s like asking the Hole in the Wall Gang (Robert Leroy Parker, Harry A. Longabaugh, et al *) to reveal to the Pinkerton Detective Agency that they’re the ones robbing all the banks and trains.

    They’re not just going to confess or turn over evidence of their own crimes.

    They’re just not going to.

    If you are the kind of person who does what they did… would you?

    * Robert Leroy Parker a.k.a. Butch Cassidy, and Harry A. Longabaugh, a.k.a. the Sundance Kid 😁

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  2. cthulhu says:

    I should note that the FISA crap should have hit the networks within an hour. The Bruce Ohr 302s within 90 minutes. What kind of incompetence/corruption is there that makes this complicated?

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    • cozette says:

      Cthulhu Its called strategic brilliance on the part of team Trump. Watch without stress so you dont miss how brilliantly the shill media and Democrats are being played. They really are STUPID. Its truly unbelievable.

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      • Newhere says:

        Whether there’s a brilliant strategy is a theory and a hope. That the material could be released within hours is a fact. Not sure how it is helpful to answer legitimate questions and concerns with reference to a theory that can be borne out only by some deferred, non-guaranteed result. We can all hope the theory is true, and we can all support Trump while maintaining the healthy anger and skepticism that at this point an engaged citizenry should be asserting at every turn.

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        • SteveT says:

          President Trump can declassify anything he wants BUT he has to follow a process (look it up) in order to protect himself from political jeopardy. There are some parts that he may want to stay redacted to prevent loss of life or other assets, but he can take that decision after reviewing each individual instance. He would then bear any consequences for details released.
          Until the process is completed, it is not legal for anyone else to release or discuss the unredacted docs.
          This doesn’t mean it will drag on any longer than he would like. He can impose any deadline he wants – cozette September 20, 2018 at 3:19 am makes excellent reference to events and considerations

          SteveT.

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  3. CanaCon says:

    Even Kallstrom talks about “the person they were surveilling” instead of describing the reach of a Title 1 warrant. #@$%$#@$#!!!

    Just venting.

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  4. scott467 says:

    “Here, the FBI and DOJ will likely demand HEAVY redactions because revealing names could lead to questions, subpoenas and testimony. In this section it is likely Dan Coats would concur with redacting “sources and methods”. Redactions would be anticipated in this part of the declassification fulfillment (even if it wasn’t corrupt).”

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    (in my best Alex Trebeck voice):

    Oooohhhh…. sorry…..

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    Executive Order 13526
    Sec 1.7

    “Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:

    (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
    (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
    (3) restrain competition; or

    (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.”
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    No doubt they would argue that #4 overrides #1 but that dog don’t hunt.

    There is NO GREATER interest in NATIONAL SECURITY than exposing the attempted overthrow of the government of the United States of America.

    If that burns some sources or exposes some methods, whoopty freakin’ doo-da.

    New methods can be devised, and sources can be given an advance ‘heads up’ (if they’re not implicated in the treason) so they can go into protective custody or evacuate what will soon be a dangerous situation.

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    • cozette says:

      Sourcse and methods being revealed is NOT going to fly. The FISA was already leaked. The media shills have it. The texts needing to be protected is NOT going to fly either because the FBI chatterboxes were using unsecured phones. They cannot then claim super secret status for their communications. They are screwed.

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  5. Jef2w says:

    Let’s not forget the swamp creature Eric Swalwel. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/eric-swalwell-donald-trump-susan-rice-declassify-236927
    Now he is tweeting something to the effect that President Trump is endangering our military and another mark for his impeachment. Then let us not forget Huesseins E.O.13526. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13526
    What do we have here?? Any reasonable fair minded person cannot argue against the declassification. Only partisan hacks who refuse to accept the truth. I have my bottle of champaign on stand by. I trust President Trump. The swamp is getting drained and we Patriots will win!!!

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  6. scott467 says:

    “We already know the unnamed FBI officials doing the redactions were caught intentionally removing critical messages. There is no valid reason to justify any redactions or removals within this segment of the declassification directive.”

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    And we have no reason to think they won’t do the SAME THING this time.

    Fortunately, NSA already has all the information (they must), and therefore DJT and his team already have all of the information, so DJT will KNOW if (WHEN) the criminals at DOJ and FIB remove incriminating evidence from the released information.

    They ARE going to do it.

    And Trump IS going to catch them.

    Because these people are STUPID.

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    • Newhere says:

      The fact that NSA must have “all” the information does not mean automatically that President Trump, or his team have it. That the NSA technically has in its possession, or can obtain access to, any communication under the sun does not translate to automatic access for governing authorities — even the President.

      We are still a nation of laws, or at least one would hope. Isn’t that what this whole mission is supposed to be about restoring.

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  7. LibertyONE says:

    SIMPLE question: Who runs this country a) the president ( voted by the people) or b) the corrupt Deep State officials in the FBI /DOJ & CIA. IF b) runs the country we are in DEEP SH*T.

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    • cozette says:

      Of course Trump runs the country but there is a battle that we are in right now that will be decided in 70 days. Did we each do our part to earn enough votes so Republicans retain control of the House and Senate so Trump is protected and strengthened both here and abroad? Will patriot Nunes continue as Committee head or will Schiff replace him? Will investigations and transparency continue or will impeachment proceedings begin? Will Democrats be rebuked and shattered or feel elated and emboldened? We will know in 70 days. The battle will be won or lost due to every single one of us and how we choose to spend our time. Will we spend it opining on the internet about what POTUS should do or will we spend it doing everything we can to win votes in the real world? #EveryVoteMatters
      #SaveDemocrats #VoteRepublican

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    • scott467 says:

      “SIMPLE question: Who runs this country a) the president ( voted by the people) or b) the corrupt Deep State officials in the FBI /DOJ & CIA.”

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      Simple answer: whoever controls the military.

      The Deep State doesn’t HAVE a military.

      The President does. The President has the lawful use of FORCE and he has the most powerful FORCE on the planet at his disposal.

      All the Deep State has is a lot “I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll BLOW your house down”.

      And while that’s very nice and really quite special in its own special way, it really doesn’t impress the United States Marine Corps.

      Or the Army, the Navy or the Air Force, for that matter.

      Even Space Force isn’t impressed by the Deep State’s ‘big bad wolf’ routine.

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    • Newhere says:

      The Constitution and the laws promulgated under it run our country. Not a man, not one particular office or institution, and certainly not whomever controls the military (we are now a military state?).

      This slow-rolling debacle seems to be growing some odd ideas about how authority is supposed to operate in a democracy . . .

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  8. Howie says:

    They will redact all the evidence that incriminates the deep state criminals and also evidence that exhonerates Trump. As usual with these Social Justice Schemes their own evidence exonerates those who they accuse in the communist Star Chamber they have constructed.

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    • cozette says:

      LMAO. I hope thats what they are stupid enough to try because if they do, they will have broken the law per OBAMA’s 2009 EO 13526 section 1.7. Trump will hoist them on their messiahs petard. An attempt to redact=proof of crime. Enjoy the show. Or dont. I am.

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    • scott467 says:

      “They will redact all the evidence that incriminates the deep state criminals and also evidence that exhonerates Trump. ”

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      Yes, and that will give Trump justifiable cause to release ALL of it in unredacted form.

      They are playing right into his hands.

      If they were any more predictable, they’d be a Swiss watch.

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      • Newhere says:

        He already has justifiable cause and hasn’t done it. Doesn’t mean he won’t. But let’s not pretend that legally he needs more justification.

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  9. TheWanderingStar says:

    I really wish these fbi and doj f#ckers had used the same care and “review” when they began spying on US Citizens and attempting to frame innocent people. 10’s of thousands, paid by “We the people” and none of them are standing up against this injustice! Get the hell out of my country!

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  10. Krashman Von Stinkputin says:

    Comey AND Brennan were commie’s

    Turns out the REDS weren’t UNDER the bed…….they were sleeping ON it.

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    • V says:

      Feinsten, too.

      https://www.theepochtimes.com/feinsteins-ties-to-china-extend-beyond-chinese-spy_2616284.html

      Describes how Feinstein’s pro-Communist history goes back to the fifties, how she was instrumental in getting China admitted to the WTO – World Trade Organization, thereby eliminating the annual human rights review.

      So, while China was killing off its baby girls during their one child policy, Feinstein supported China. And now she dares to promote a most likely phony story about teenage parties to attack Kavanaugh and thereby Pres. Trump.

      And since Pres. Trump is not tolerating any nonsense from China, that is probably why Feinstein is acting so desperately.

      http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/08/sen-dianne-feinsteins-ties-china-go-way-deeper-alleged-office-spy/

      “Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s warm relationship with and advocacy for Communist China go back decades and involve millions, if not billions, of dollars.”

      Including her husband, Blum’s investment benefit in China.

      One wonders HOW ON EARTH is she allowed anywhere near classified materials.

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    • V says:

      From above federalist link:

      “I sometimes say that in my last life maybe I was Chinese.”—Sen. Dianne Feinstein

      I always wondered why Americans don’t protest the use of the phrase “Gang of Eight” for the group of high security-clearance Senators and Congressmen (including Feinstein, who has been on Intelligence Committees since 2001).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)

      ITS CONNOTATION IS SO COMMUNIST AND SO HORRENDOUS:

      “Gang of Four”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four

      “The Gang of Four [under Mao Zedong, including his wife], together with disgraced general Lin Biao who died in 1971, were labeled the two major “counter-revolutionary forces” of the Cultural Revolution and officially blamed by the Chinese government for the worst excesses of the societal chaos that ensued during the ten years of turmoil. Their downfall on October 6, 1976, a mere month after Mao’s death, brought about major celebrations on the streets of Beijing and marked the end of a turbulent political era in China.”

      “…the persecution of some 750,000 people, 34,375 of whom died during the period 1966-1976….”

      34,375 dead is an underestimate.
      ————————-
      http://factsanddetails.com/china/cat2/sub6/item1813.html

      Various estimates since China to this day forbids research to get to the truth.

      “In the biography of Mao Zedong by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday, the estimated totality of death is discussed: “at least 3 million people died violent deaths and post-Mao leaders acknowledged that 100 million people, one-ninth of the entire population, suffered in one way or another.” Interestingly, the reporter of a Hong Kong-based political journal released the classified official statistics, according to which nearly two million Chinese were killed and another 125 million were either persecuted or “struggled against” (“subjected to “struggle sessions”) as a result of the state-sponsored killings and atrocities committed during the Cultural Revolution. The average death toll based on the aforementioned six investigators’ figures is nearly 2.95 million.”
      ——————-

      It’s beginning to look a lot like Feinstein has been a Chinese asset for a very long time. So perhaps the Chinese aide was her conduit for relaying intel to China.

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  11. Gary Lacey says:

    What is at stake here is justice. Our society will not stand when rules and regulations are violated without due recourse.
    Heads must roll!

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    • Kenji says:

      So this is where the REAL redactions take place … the redactions of our Contitutional Rights … in the bowels of the FBI

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      • ptsargent says:

        Augean stables in spades!

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      • Twitchy number (3) is where the rubber meets the road:
        Halper, Downer, Mifsud, and yes, Carter Page all have ties to western intelligence in some way or other.

        Trump people were being probed and set up by an Intelligence clique all in the same time period. Papadopoulos was approached by Mifsud in April and met Downer in May, then later Stefan Halper pays him to write a paper.

        Michael Caputo says he was approached in May by a Russian he believed to be working for the FBI. The meeting at Trump Tower by the two Russians was set up around the same time and occurred on June 9. Two days earlier, on June 7, Carter Page said he received an invitation from a Halper graduate student?? to attend a Cambridge symposium after he made his speech in Russia.

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      • Andy says:

        An agency that isn’t even Constitutionally mandated. The FBI isn’t even in the Constitution at all.

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    • jederman54@yahoo.com says:

      I’ll take it a step further. De Nacht die Langen messer (night of the long knives), DC style. Yes senior heads must roll but as we’ve seen lately our gvt institutions are penetrated by craven fanatics that are all in with fundamental transformation of our governing system.

      What is the justification for ignoring and tolerating this? They all have to go. We can’t go in two directions at once. Why get rid of the top echelon and leave the wanna be’s in place. It’s not finished until they are. It’s justified. If EVER there was a national security issue before us, this is it. Purge them all. Quickly.

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      • Guillermo Maguire says:

        Yep

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      • UncleGrumpy says:

        When the hangings start, the snowflakes will understand that they are standing in a mine field.

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      • Kenji says:

        I have personally REJECTED the whole … “rank and file are all good people” … meme. From the start. Such blanket statements are ignorant. And I don’t give a damn if I “offend” the honest, righteous rank and file. Because they KNOW many of them are tainted embeds.

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        • Ken Maritch says:

          YES!… THIS^^^^^^
          If the “rank and file” are not speaking out, they are complicit.

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          • gustafus21 says:

            Bingo. I want to gag every time Napolitano, Gowdy, Graham or their ilk – make that disclaimer.

            The FBI is out of control and has been for some time. Pity is, Bush/Clinton voters allowed it because they were only planting weapons and drugs on urban detritus. The MO for the FBI at every level is plant, frame, sting, flip and dispose ….

            Now we see it set loose on an outsider administration who wants to clean up the mess.

            BLM should be a natural ally… but their rank and file are not smart enough to be following any of this… they probably love seeing the white guy get some comeuppance from a toxic, lawless agency.

            Same for the Intel agencies… they are reviled by the Libertarians… who should be our natural allies in taking them down….

            IF the country is indeed 35% left – 35% right … and 60% floating middle… libertarian and anti war …. this group is in play.

            But Trump needs to take scalps… it can’t be the old Bushbot party of insiders. I HATE the BUSH BOTS… as much as the Clitnons and Obola crime families.

            The Bush bots are what created the toxic left — everybody knew Bush SR was a scoundrel and the epitome of all we hate about the CIA…. yet the GOP embraced these vermin as royalty. Down to Georgie the dim … and Jeb the smarm.

            Trumpets are the new GOP – and we can win the BLM people and the LIbertarians… even thoughtful Catholic Latinos… if we abandon the old ways of the George Will GOP.

            The FBI is the enemy of the people… and no amount of lipstick on that pig will change it.
            If we keep trying to minimize the damage to our world reputation … “we don’t prosecute former administrations like they do in Peru and Zimbabwe!”…..

            BULL SHT…. if the former administrations and agencies behave like Peru and Zimbabwe they need to get the needle.

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          • scott467 says:

            “If the “rank and file” are not speaking out, they are complicit.”

            ___________________

            Indeed.

            Silence is consent.

            And nobody should no that better than members of LAW enforcement agencies.

            It is a maxim of Law.

            …………………………..
            Qui tacet consennire videtur, ubi tractatur de ejus commodo: “He who is silent is deemed to consent.”

            The maxim is Qui tacet consentiret: the maxim of the law is “Silence gives consent”. — Sir Thomas More
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            ……………………………………
            Maxim [mak-sim]
            noun

            1. An established principle or proposition

            2. A principle of law universally admitted, as being a correct statement of the law
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        • sportingclays says:

          Absolutely. I know an FBI agent and a DEA agent/ AUSA couple socially, (behind enemy lines). At best they are not on the Trump train, at worst actively resisting. Time to bring back the loyalty oath.

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        • 10buck2 says:

          Exactly. Where are the honorable “rank and file” exposing this corruption within their ranks?

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      • De Oppresso Liber says:

        It is not complicated – produce the ORDERED (not requested) documents UNREDACTED (as in completely) to the President of the United States. We will then trust HIM to decide if there’s legitimate national security concerns which need to be protected, and not simply the identities of any “foreign” (aka: British) participants in the treasonous coup. In years past, similar activities, conducted by some other nation besides Britain, would be considered Acts of War. To be clear, these individual participants were acting solely on the behalf of intelligence agency assets aligned with JOHN BRENNAN, not the official government of Great Britain, and I am certain they were well compensated for their efforts. I also hope they too are both convicted and extradited to the U.S. to serve their prison sentences.

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        • “To be clear, these individual participants were acting solely on the behalf of intelligence agency assets…not the official government of Great Britain”

          You know what they about there being no such thing as a former spy?

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        • armie says:

          There is a need to proceed carefully here. Best route’s probably to provide unredacted documents and a complete list of proposed redactions with a detailed justification for each redaction. Trump needs to create a small group (2 to 5) of trusted staff members with intel backgrounds and the appropriate clearances and maybe a member of the White House Counsel’s office who’s also cleared. They say yea or nay, final appeal of any disagreement among them goes to Trump. Odds are that knowing the justifications will be reviewed will reduce the temptation to fiddle.

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      • dallasdan says:

        It is appearing that the corruption is so deep and so broad that it may be impervious to destruction. Like an amoeba, parts can be divided and removed, but the organism continues to both survive and grow. The boldness of the current frontal assault on the President over declassification indicates to me that the perpetrators are very confident of facing no serious consequences for their unconstitutional and seditious behavior.

        This is the biggest and most public battle to-date in the political war. It has all the appearances of a gladiatorial fight to the death.

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        • Newhere says:

          Agree, the most visible, overt, high-stakes showdown so far (unless you count all of Trump’s tweets!). But I’d call it more than a political battle — it goes to the core of the Constitution, and the possibility in a surveillance state for self-governance.

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    • Cheesehead54016 says:

      Cannot agree more. This was attempted Coup and unlawful political weaponization of DOJ/FBI, CIA, etc. Time to Drain It !!!!!!

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      • gustafus21 says:

        I agree, but we can’t have half measures… the Bush/Clinton/Obama crime families AND their minions have been running a scam on Americans. Trumpets must gut the monster and all its parts – not just the leftists.

        The Bush Family is the embodiment of what was wrong with the GOP. The Clinton crime family was the embodiment of what was wrong with the DNC. The difference is conservatives tried to purge the party – first with Perot, then with Buchanan and finally with Trump.
        The left has no heroes… so they stew in their own corrupt juices and align with Bushbots and Clitnons and Obola … to take back the government.

        WE CAN WIN… but we need new alliances. BLM knows the FBI is dirty. The Libertarians know the intel agencies are vermin. We must cultivate these allies against the swamp.

        Every time we laud the FBI … on the street…. it’s lipstick on a pig. They are irredeemable.
        The only way to win the libertarian contingent that floats between outrages left and right… is to take down the FBI, CIA, DOJ and every other corrupt agency.

        The FBI can’t go back to planting evidence, guns and entrapping the inner city teens with impunity… then when they use their tactics on an intruding outsider we call for a minor shake up…. that won’t wash any more.

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        • PaulM says:

          “planting evidence, guns and entrapping the inner city teens” I’ve lived inner city, you don’t have to plant anything.
          Get a grip. You sound like a full lefty propagandist.

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        • mugzey302 says:

          I’m with you! Half-measures will not do! I like the lipstick on a pig comparison, lol.Listening to Sen. Sasse’s civics lesson at The Kavanaugh hearing made me wonder how we got so far afield from our “user manual”, The Constitution. The govt we have now needs a SERIOUS gutting and reorganization. Corporations do this all the time. This govt is a monstrosity of inefficiency and kingdom-builders, hiding behind The Union. Pffftt! Get rid of it, get rid of the insurrectionists who think they can “resist” on our dime. In Alice’s Queen of Hearts style: “off with their heads!” .

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        • mashall says:

          “BLM knows the FBI is dirty. The Libertarians know the intel agencies are vermin. We must cultivate these allies against the swamp.”

          Gustafus21:
          Head on over to Dallas PD, then swing by Baton Rouge, PD, and tell them how we should be allies with BLM.
          Or maybe you forgot….

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    • Now comes President Donald J. Trump. “They” thought it was not possible (period). Well, it happened and now at least Hillary is worried that “We will all hang from nooses” Hillary is not the only one. 90% of ALL 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT ARE AS LIABLE AS HILLARY in this regard!

      No one vetted Barack Obama (period). No one was willing to ask the critical questions about who this [guy?] was… He had dirt on everyone. Nobody was willing to go to the mat except Sheriff Arpaio. And he was clobbered by lawsuits that sapped his financial assets.

      The real reason for the relentless attacks on PDJT is to keep him busy defending himself so that he cannot expose the true nature of the fraud that was Barack Obama (or whoever he really was). With 90% of our current government complicit with this charade, imagine the number of people that could go to death row for treason because they knew and did nothing…

      This is why “The Basket Of Deplorables” elected DJT. No one else COULD or WOULD expose the corruption that goes back nearly 100 years.

      PDJT is actually sacrificing himself to drain the the swamp so that we “MIGHT” have a chance to win a little freedom back under the constitution to do the right thing next time WE ARE CALLED.

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  12. chipin8511 says:

    The condemned Lincoln conspirators on the scaffold, 1865.

    This set of pictures from 1865 showing the hanging execution of the four Lincoln conspirators: David Herold, Lewis Powell, George Atzerodt and Mary Surratt. Their deaths were a culmination of sorts of a nation ravaged by war, bitter conflict, and the death of the nation’s commander-in-chief, Abraham Lincoln. Scottish photographer Alexander Gardner captured the macabre scene, including pictures of the condemned seen moments before they walked to the 12-foot gallows, specially constructed for the executions. It was hot that day, reportedly a hundred degrees (38 degree Celsius). Sweat surely dripped down the accused’s faces as they passed by the cheap pine coffins and shallow graves that had been dug for them

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    • V says:

      How about the Appian Way:

      Spartacus (who, btw, was not from Sparta)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus

      “During a controversy over release of documents at the U.S. Senate’s confirmation hearing for Judge Brett Kavanaugh, Senator Cory Booker said, “This is about the closest I’ll probably ever have in my life to an ‘I am Spartacus’ moment.” ”

      “In modern times, Spartacus became an icon for communists and socialists. Karl Marx listed Spartacus as one of his heroes….”

      “Spartacus has been a great inspiration to left-wing revolutionaries, most notably the German Spartacus League (1915-18), a forerunner of the Communist Party of Germany.”
      ——
      Haaaa – I guess Booker never read about Spartacus’ demise and that the surviving 6,000 of his 70,000 followers were all crucified on the Appian Way.

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    • Rock Knutne says:

      Let’s hope history’s precedent rings true for hussein, crooked hillary, valjar, comey, brennan, clapper, samantha powers…

      Geez, that’s gonna be one huge gallows!

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      • Dutchman says:

        Actuall, I like the kings system of old; heads on a pike. The fence of the W.H., with heads stuck on top.

        A warning to all “When you go for the king, you better get it right, cause here’s what happens if you screw it up!”
        Gruesome yes, but effective too.

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      We need to construct another gallows, on the Washington Mall, and I hope John Brennan (the Ringmaster) is among the first group dropped……. with Barry, Bubba, and Her Thighness beside him. That would be a good start…..

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  13. Bogeyfree says:

    So if it is true that they do not want to deliver unredacted documents to PT, could it be because it is like taking the 5th?

    For example, I refuse to deliver unredacted documents on the grounds it could incriminate me.

    So Mr. President if you want the documents you’ll have to unredacted them.

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    • Blind no longer says:

      If President Trump receives redacted documents, then he has the grounds to start firing those who refused his Presidential order! Start firing at will Mr. President, and keep firing till you get down to the person who will follow through with your order! The people of this Country deserve the truth!

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    • magacombover says:

      Executive Order 13526:
      Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall
      information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail
      to be declassified in order to:

      (1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
      (2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
      (3) restrain competition; or
      (4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.
      (b) Basic scientific research information not clearly related to the national security shall not be classified.
      (c) Information may not be reclassified after declassification and release to the public under proper authority unless:

      (1) the reclassification is personally approved in writing by the agency head based on a document-by-document determination by the agency that reclassification is required to prevent significant and demonstrable damage to the national security;
      (2) the information may be reasonably recovered without bringing undue attention to the information;
      (3) the reclassification action is reported promptly to the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (National Security Advisor) and the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office; and
      (4) for documents in the physical and legal custody of the National Archives and Records Administration (National Archives) that have been available for public use, the agency head has, after making the determinations required by this paragraph, notified the Archivist of the United States (Archivist), who shall suspend public access pending approval of the reclassification action by the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office. Any such decision by the Director may be appealed by the agency head to the President through the National Security Advisor. Public access shall remain suspended pending a prompt decision on the appeal.
      (d) Information that has not previously been disclosed to the public under proper authority may be classified or reclassified after an agency has received a request for it under the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552), the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2204(c)(1), the Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. 552a), or the mandatory review provisions of section 3.5 of this order only if such classification meets the requirements of this order and is accomplished on a document-by-document basis with the personal participation or under the direction of the agency head, the deputy agency head, or the senior agency official designated under section 5.4 of this order. The requirements in this paragraph also apply to those situations in which information has been declassified in accordance with a specific date or event determined by an original classification authority in accordance with section 1.5 of this order.
      (e) Compilations of items of information that are individually unclassified may be classified if the compiled information reveals an additional association or relationship that:

      (1) meets the standards for classification under this order; and
      (2) is not otherwise revealed in the individual items of information.

      Smells like victory!

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      • Clinteastwood says:

        But……..what is the PENALTY for classifying documents illegally?

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        • UncleGrumpy says:

          Sorry, that’s classified information.

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        • magacombover says:

          Sec. 5.5. Sanctions.

          (a) If the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office finds that a violation of this order or its implementing directives has occurred, the Director shall make a report to the head of the agency or to the senior agency official so that corrective steps, if appropriate, may be taken.
          (b) Officers and employees of the United States Government, and its contractors, licensees, certificate holders, and grantees shall be subject to appropriate sanctions if they knowingly, willfully, or negligently:

          (1) disclose to unauthorized persons information properly classified under this order or predecessor orders;
          (2) classify or continue the classification of information in violation of this order or any implementing directive;
          (3) create or continue a special access program contrary to the requirements of this order; or
          (4) contravene any other provision of this order or its implementing directives.
          (c) Sanctions may include reprimand, suspension without pay, removal, termination of classification authority, loss or denial of access to classified information, or other sanctions in accordance with applicable law and agency regulation.
          (d) The agency head, senior agency official, or other supervisory official shall, at a minimum, promptly remove the classification authority of any individual who demonstrates reckless disregard or a pattern of error in applying the classification standards of this order.
          (e) The agency head or senior agency official shall:

          (1) take appropriate and prompt corrective action when a violation or infraction under paragraph (b) of this section occurs; and
          (2) notify the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office when a violation under paragraph (b)(1), (2), or (3) of this section occurs.
          https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

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  14. covfefe999 says:

    Fantastic CTH article. Breaking it down so we all thoroughly understand. I’m salivating over #4.

    I get teary thinking about all of the amazing things Trump is doing. He is Washington or FDR quality. Possibly the greatest President ever. We did good, Treepers. We not only picked the best candidate, we picked a amazing leader.

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    • LDave says:

      I love the fact that Strzok and Page weren’t supposed to be texting classified info anyway. Further, if the “sources and methods” were tools of the conspiracy, I have no problem revealing them. It won’t tell our enemies anything they don’t already know, e.g., that the CIA sends people to forge relationships with a target and use that relationship against the target politically. The internet is full of such examples.

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      • Kenji says:

        Was Nellie Ohr transmitting top secrets via shortwave radio? Time to anally probe her every action and movement.

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        • Cat Lady says:

          Doesn’t she testify, like, TODAY?!?!

          The Chinese were right about 1 thing: we are living in “interesting” times!!

          If by the grace of God our country survives this treason, I’ll be ok with boring!! I don’t have to have interesting!!

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      President Trump will walk up to the 7th floor of FBI HQ, walk down the hallway with an escort of Secret Service and U.S. Marshals in tow, and stop only to stick his head into Wray’s office to say, “Give me those documents, unredacted, right now. No? Get up, place your gun, badge, and ID on that desk, and get the hell out of this building. You’re fired!” Then he walks into the AD’s office, and says the very same thing, then the ADD’s office, and straight down the hallway on down the line of succession. The president has coordinated with the AG, and whomever already has grand jury indictments sworn against them, are taken into custody as they walk out the door. God, I would love to be a witness to that!

      Who the hell do these people think they’re dealing with? President Donald John Trump is not some Uniparty sissy just “going through the motions” of governance, while waiting for his afternoon tee time, because his corrupt dealings will make him fabulously wealthy as long as he “goes along with the program,” so he doesn’t really care about specifics. President Trump made his money in the NYC construction and real estate rackets; whatever names his detractors may choose to call him, “wimp” is NOT one of them. President Trump will not let us down….he’s going to kick some a$$e$ before this is over.

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    • MamaTried says:

      Agree with you! But FDR was horrible. Read THE FORGOTTEN MAN.

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  15. Bogeyfree says:

    Since this is a coup IMO, I’m hoping that allowed PT to get FISA warrants to listen in and we have been collecting their calls, emails and texts because my guess is their lines have been burning hot these last 24-48 hours. Imagine who these guys may be talking with??

    Kind of like rats scurrying.

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    • covfefe999 says:

      I was thinking that same thing. Lots of frantic phone calls. 🙂 Probably some of them to reporters.

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      • jmclever says:

        Given that old habits die hard, those journalists are known quantities to leak investigators and the communication will be known about in short order.

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        • De Oppresso Liber says:

          They are almost pre-programmed to behave a specific way, but they’re either not observant enough or bright enough (probably both), to recognize that the rules have changed. They just cannot accept that President Trump is not behaving like all the other Uniparty swamp dwellers from eons past. He’s supposed to play by THEIR rules, because THEY (the DC Swamp dwellers) OWN the Swamp – it’s THEIRS dammit, not “the people’s.” President Trump represents a new, unknown, and therefore unpredictable adversary. He’s no stuffed shirt sissy wimp waiting for his afternoon tee time…..he’s a NYC real estate and industrial contractor, who made his bones in the construction market. These TREASONOUS bassturds have tried to not only destroy him politically, but also personally, publicly, and worst of all – they have attacked his family and friends. I cannot wait for him to start kicking some serious A$$. What a great time to be alive, and to be an AMERICAN!

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      • Grandpa says:

        Doesn’t the NSA have all these communications also? Would it be Perfect Karma if there were active FISAs on the FBI, DOJ and CIA management levels?

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        • Beau Geste says:

          Doesn’t the NSA have all their communications, texts, the FISA warrant, the plans of the “small DOJ/FBI group” which planned this coup, the Rosenstein-mueller plans to appoint a special counsel, perhaps even nellie ohrs shortwave radio, going back years? A current FISA opens that all up, into the past. A cross check on what is still withheld or redacted. And whoever redacted it.

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    • De Oppresso Liber says:

      I believe it’s almost a certainty that he has done exactly that. Also, remember that he kept Adm. Mike Rogers in his position as the commander of NSA, until May of this year. He (Adm. Rogers) most certainly had a team of his most trusted subordinates tasked to seek, search, scrub and collect every piece of communication the NSA has on every person linked to this treason. I don’t care what the legal pundits care to call it, I call it treason. These bassturds tried to overthrow the duly-elected, sworn, and sitting President of the United States of America. It’s a damn shame that as a nation, we’ll not be allowed to publicly hang those who are convicted of treason / sedition. Construct a gallows on the Washington Mall, complete with 13 steps and room to hang four traitors at a drop.

      The dirty cops at the FBI, and the corrupt / crooked, attorneys, bureaucrats, CIA agents, and elected representatives involved in this treason do not realize who they’re dealing with here. President Trump will NOT allow this to stand; he’s going to kick some serious A$$ before it’s all said and done.

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    • PaulM says:

      So you think their smart enough to put together a coup but not smart enough to know that their communications may be monitored?

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      • Dee says:

        Thank You. Wishful thinking/ cognitive dissonance.

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      • neal s says:

        While I am confident that intellectually they would realize that “their communications may be monitored”, on the gut-level they do not consider themselves like everyone else, and believe that they are somehow special. This peculiar blind-spot as relates to themselves will ultimately help their own downfall.

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    • Concerned says:

      You will be able to tell, when the rats are scurrying, by planes leaving and assassination attempt(s) are made.

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    • mugzey302 says:

      The NSA has it all.

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  16. dawg says:

    So what if POTUS unredacts everything, deems it all unclassified, then provides it to Nunes, Jim Jordan or someone in Congress for them to read on the House floor?

    Congress has oversight over the agencies so they have the authority to deem it vital to the public interest so then they release it.

    The good guys in Congress “take one for the team” and the President has cover.

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    • thedoc00 says:

      There would be no taking one for the team. The documents are unclassified and their reading the documents into the congressional record violates nothing.

      This would be a good move by the way.

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      • dawg says:

        Yes, I simply meant that any claims of “compromising national security” would have to be targeted at Congress instead of the Pres.

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        • thedoc00 says:

          Good point and understood.

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        • Grassleygirl/Breitbartista/DannyBoy says:

          Bingo. I believe that is the reason the President brilliantly allowed the Congress (freedom caucas) to take the lead in requesting declassifications.
          An equal branch of government with constitutional oversight . Thus he cannot be accused (effectively ) of abuse of executive power.

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          • Concerned says:

            What is to prevent the conspirators from simply lying, “I don’t have any documents to turn over”? Thereby, effectively masking some of the more important evidence.

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    • dallasdan says:

      Ryan says no, and his GOPe successor keeps it under the rug.

      I anticipate that a group of patriotic Congressmen will facilitate the “big reveal” without fearing the political consequences.

      I can’t help thinking the declassification action may be the conservative analogy to the Pentagon Papers incident, with the same seismic result.

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      • Concerned says:

        It’s possible that the President will have to order, a third party to go in after the documents. We know, that a good many of the people who work for the conspirators are involved.

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    • mugzey302 says:

      It should be released to the public, but how? Certainly the Mockingbird Media, the propaganda machine for the CIA, is not going to cooperate. How to explain it all to those who are under mind control?

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  17. dawg says:

    From the Presidents directive:

    “…directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials”

    So, 1,2 and 3 fall under that ^^^^^.

    Then:

    “In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction,”

    That part applies to #4.

    My question is what exactly does “provide for the immediate declassification of” mean? Does that mean start the review process? If so, that would mean going through it and redacting “sources and methods” in order to protect national security.

    Fine. We all know their sources and methods were criminal.

    But #4 is the kicker here. This is text messages that were ordered to be publicly released without redaction. That can happen immediately without any review. If there was confidential info in those texts, that itself constitutes a crime. If there is no confidential info in them, there is no justifiable reason to hold them back.

    What Im betting on is that there is no confidential info in them, but there are VERY incriminating messages that blow the whole thing wide open. And there is no basis for withholding them.

    #4 is our play here.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      If the “sources and methods” are to request spying on US citizens by foreign governments, in violation of the Constitution, that is an illegal source and method which must not be protectable. Illegal sources and methods are not protectable. Fraud on the FISA court is not a protectable method. If Britain-MI6 and Australia are participants in spying on our candidates and president, as part of a coup, we need to know – that must not be protectable. The DOJ-FBI were likely spying on all candidates (other than hillary of course). That, and their implanted spies, must become public.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Regarding the government releasing, and making publically available, there are laws regarding PRIVACY, that must be followed. Nunes mentioned this, in one of his interviews.
      It’s not a BIG deal, and shouldn’t make for a major delay, but WILL be neccesary, before release, in order to comply with the law.

      For example, suppose one of the texts was setting up a meeting with someone, and the texter was saying “oh, I’m going to be over near you at such and such time, cause I’m dropping my daughter, sara, at school, which is at Wisconsin and D street. That’s information which isn’t relevent, and reasonably wouldn’t and shouldn’t be made public. Point is, there ARE laws on the books, regarding protecting people’s privacy, when the government releases info. Not a big deal, but has to be done, and could cause a,small delay, with these texts msgs.

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  18. Bogeyfree says:

    #4 could expose new people and begin to show spying much earlier IMO.

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    • PS says:

      Exactly.

      Let’s be honest, we don’t think that Trump was the ONLY Republican that was being spied on, right? I was going to write Republican candidate, but this “method” works on any Republican in Congress too… wouldn’t that be a stinker.

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  19. dawg says:

    Sorry people, Im thinking out loud…

    So POTUS can take the full, unredacted documents he requested, open up his bottle of White-Out, and brush over the little (C) on each page. Voila! Then hold them up in the air, wave them around and say who wants this? Nunes snatches them up and runs to the House floor. Congress has oversight over the IC and would be the one to divulge the info to the public. POTUS’ hands are clean.

    But the order to the DOJ to publicly release all texts messages, unredacted, is different. The ball is in their court, the DOJ. Thats on Rosey, Wray and to some extent Sessions. This is a binary thing. They either do or they dont. And they dont have any grounds like “sources and methods” to fall back on.

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    • trapper says:

      PDJT has not gotten unredacted text, and according to some sources Rosey and Wray will refuse to give him unredacted text.

      Dems are trying to force pre-midterm firing(s) by throwing Rosey and Wray under the bus by outing their illegal agreement to withhold info from PDJT. What we can deduce from that is that insider dems know there is no blue wave coming, that they are not going to take senate or house, and they are desperate to make something happen to turn the red tide that they fear is about to sweep the nation.

      Get out and vote.

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      • dawg says:

        POUTS is not asking for unredacted text, hes ordered the unredacted texts to be released publicly.

        Whats being reported is that the info in 1,2 and 3 will be supplied to the Pres, after review, in (possibly) redacted form. Nothing about the texts (#4), that Ive seen.

        POTUS’ statement was actually 2 different directives. #1,2 and 3 fall under one directive and #4 falls under another.

        The texts in #4 can be posted on the DOJ website today without any delay. And if they aren’t, then the grounds for firing would be based on them defying that order, not them colluding with Dems about not releasing classified docs to the pres.

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    • dallasdan says:

      “This is a binary thing. They either do or they don’t.”

      Yep, and presently they are boldly taking the path of the latter, literally daring the President to exercise his constitutional prerogative over their resistance.

      The burning fuse is quickly approaching the explosives.

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  20. trapper says:

    Thanks for the analysis. We get this nowhere else. Very impressive.

    Rosey and Wray are stalling while they decide which side to choose, the dems on the Gang of 8 who just outed their illegal agreement to withhold information from their boss the president, or the president who will likely fire them both the day after the midterms. I suppose their question at this point is, can they rehabilitate themselves with PDJT? They might also ask themselves whether they can ever again trust those who just outed them. Interesting moves/countermoves at play. But what I still see is a stall, desperate to hold out past November 6. But at some point they must both ask themselves, do they want to continue to be part of the problem, or be part of the solution? Doing the right thing has no timeline. Cowboy up and take you medicine. It only hurts for a little while, and then you feel better.

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  21. Mark Mears says:

    On #4 in the article above the OIG had the Strzok text response to L Page by way of their independent forensics analysis. Question, can VSG order the OIG to release #4 above?

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  22. Kathy says:

    Sundance … If AG Jeff Sessions delivers these unredacted and declassified documents to President Trump — all of which involve the Russian Investigation — will it indicate that AG Sessions is now unrecused?

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    • thedoc00 says:

      No. Jeff Sessions is not recused from his AG oversight and supervisory duties. He will not participate in the actual review and reduction of documents related to subjects he cannot see but he can still issue orders and insure the law as well as DOJ policy is followed.

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      • thedoc00 says:

        By the way, it would be likely the president will receive redacted and unredacted documents consistent with the obligation of the IC and DOJ to review materials and recommend.

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        • thedoc00 says:

          If this is the case, nobody disobeyed any orders and the president releases documents fully unredacted or redacted to a level he see’s fit.

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          • Beau Geste says:

            Not true. They were not ordered to provide a redacted list. They have bee ordered to provide unredacted records. Obams’s order does not apply to Trump, any more than it would prevent obama from ordering release.

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  23. jmclever says:

    Sundance did an amazing job reading between the redactions on all the previously released batches of texts. This batch or batches will include texts.from more than Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. It should be quite an amazing ride.

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  24. burnett044 says:

    lie deny and delay…..you can count on that…..there is no quick fix in this rigged corruption..it is geared to protect the scum…..I suggest popcorn and patience

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  25. Maffet says:

    The problem is that sources = journalists and methods = media leaks.

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  26. Any truth to the rumor that Jeff Sessions is bucking the President and refusing to release anything?

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  27. Mark Mears says:

    Apparently the OIG has all of the unredacted texts. If the OIG was able to find the Strzok reply to Page’s text that the FBI hid then the OIG should be able to retrieve ( if they don’t have them already) all texts the President wants released unredacted via their independent forensics analysis. Hop that’s a little clearer

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    • Beau Geste says:

      I hope there will be an investigation of WHO actually has been redacting and hiding records. What instructions were given? By whom? Then fire and appoint a “special counsel” to prosecute.

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  28. Howie says:

    Prepare for the old ‘ongoing investigation’ scheme. They have to stall til after the election.

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  29. magakathryn says:

    Sundance … My apologies if this has already been posted …. too much going on. Sara A. Carter on Hannity Radio interview yesterday …. FBI had 2 sets of books. Massive conspiracy. Nellie Ohr refusing to testify now. Story on Gateway Pundit, but not seeing much activity?
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/sara-carter-fbi-had-2-separate-sets-of-books-one-with-real-spygate-docs-and-another-for-appearances-audio/
    Sara will be with Sean this evening for Vegas Rally.

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  30. veronica says:

    I’ve had FBI background investigations throughout my career working in the Intelligence Community. You have to list about 5 people who know. Naturally, these are people who wouldn’t say anything negative about you. The FBI land up interviewing a whole lot more people & in the end they have a very clear picture of your life going back to the womb. I laughed & said that when I die & meet my maker God will access my FBI background investigations reports. How Brennan, a person who voted communists became Director at the CIA (no less) is beyond belief & James Comey, a Communist headed the FBI is incredible.

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    • booger71 says:

      You are correct. When the FBI (was still using FBI agents back in 87, now they use contractors) did my background check for the DOJ, they went a lot more places and talked to more people than I put down. I got to read it about 2 years after it was done and it was like 40 pages long

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    • WinnieThePooh says:

      Not all Executive branch ‘Senior Executive Service (SES)’ employees undergo background investigations or congressional confirmation. Many also get paid at the highest GS levels and have employment contract clauses which make them un-fireable. See details in this Obama-signed executive order: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/12/15/executive-order-strengthening-senior-executive-service

      That EO vastly expanded the size of the SES and was used to create much of the ‘deep state’ in the alphabet soup agencies.

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    • NoFixedAddress says:

      “How Brennan, a person who voted communists became Director at the CIA (no less) is beyond belief & James Comey, a Communist headed the FBI is incredible.”
      ————————————————————————————————-
      That’s why ‘sources and methods’ must be protected!

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      • Cuppa Covfefe says:

        If they discover “dirt” in the process of a background check, they can use it to control said agent or employee. This sounds like a typical Klintoon (or $cieno) MO…

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  31. Amy2 says:

    Just saw a meme on James Woods twitter (the one where the good fellows are laughing). “She can’t remember the year but she remembers she was fifteen!” I can’t believe that didn’t occur to me before I saw it. Time for a critical thinking class!

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  32. Ken says:

    I am not worried about whether or not we get the redactions removed. It might take weeks, but we will eventually get this stuff released.

    Rather I am most worried about stuff getting deleted or buried completely. It will be easy for the DoJ and FBI to simply “over look” this document or that text and not even include in the release, just like they did by cutting out the, “We’ll stop it” text.

    Unless an outside IT forensics team is brought in to conduct the search and provide the data, we are asking the fox to hand over the chickens without even knowing how many chickens were in the coop.

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    • dallasdan says:

      The overwhelming consensus on this site is that the President already has ALL of the information. If true, it is too late for the co-conspirators to attempt to withhold, hide, delete, or revise any of it, and they know it.

      If the supposition supporting the consensus is true, the perps are hopelessly screwed. This could explain their decision to “go down fighting.”

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  33. COLK says:

    Is it not true that Ami Watkins of the NYT was given a complete unredacted copy of the FISA memo by James Wolfe SSCI “chief of security” for SEX months ago??? If so, why are we going thru all of this if the FISA document has already been compromised and has been made available to the PUBLIC? OR, has the NYT conveniently buried it from public disclosure because THEY KNOW that its disclosure will surely send all of their their friends in the FBI and DOJ to jail!
    PS As I understand it James Wolfe has already been indicted for perjury instead of treason.

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  34. jstert says:

    the text messages described in #4 are all unclassified as they were transmitted on a usg unclassified device, i know because i used to have one. there is nothing in #4 that can be lawfully redacted. if there are redactions of #4 then the sender and receiver, and their chain of command, need to be investigated for mishandling classified information.

    we should do a poll for our favorite redaction. mine is the redaction that hid the $72,000 price tag of mccabe’s conference table.

    we will arrive soon at the final binary stop: either we have a president in charge of the executive branch or we don’t. im afraid that we passed the other binary stop: either we are all equal before the law or justice depends on who you are.

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  35. Bogeyfree says:

    65 hours since the ORDER by PT to declass and nothing so far.

    FISA section to declass is 20 pages should take 2 minutes to photocopy.

    An interesting battle brewing if they continue to stall/resist.

    IMO media will begin to cheer martyrs on and encourage to resist. Movement could grow if PT doesn’t act sooner than later.

    Fire, arrest or bring in the Marshals. Hmm…….. which will PT choose?

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  36. Fromseatoshinningsea says:

    If President Trump is required to release the documents directly the insurgents will issue redundant documents showing what they want the public to see which would be consistent with their attempt to execute a coup and create a redundant government. This is an Insurgency and it must be stopped. On January 1st military tribunals can conduct trials. Nobody knows better than President Trump what has to happen if this Union is going to be saved from the forces in Asia and the Middle East that has infiltrated our government at the highest levels over a period of 60 to 70 years and is seeking to destroy it.

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  37. TomA says:

    Nuts and bolts. A branch of NSA vacuums up nearly all EC traffic domestically and archives the raw stream data for potential future examination. This is done with rote hardware and there is no discretionary exclusion performed. This is also being done (to a somewhat lesser extent) by other nations and private entities. Coates has complete access to all the DOJ/FBI texts and emails. The key sensitivity here is that they do not want to reveal publicly the existence or extent of the sweeps. Trump’s hole card is that a parallel sweep is being run out of Saudi Arabia, which makes “accidental” erasure by NSA Fifth Columnists obsolete.

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  38. BobR says:

    Why release? Just indict and prosecute.

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  39. CM-TX says:

    According to the Left, for well over a year– Mueller has all this damning evidence against Trump! So why the sudden opposition to PDJT revealing some of this (supposed) self-incriminating material? Shouldn’t they instead be cheering the exposure??
    Of course those of us paying attention know they’re full of crap. For others, this blatant hypocrisy is a point that needs to be hammered… PDJT called their bluff.

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  40. franuche says:

    Trump needs to go cowboy on all their asses. “You have until sundown Tuesday to produce all of the fully unredacted documents that I have authoritatively declassified.”

    And then show up Tuesday morning with your Secret Service posse at all exits, and if the documents haven’t been fully produced as demanded, take possession of all of their government-owned work, computers, cell phones, access badges, etc., and walk them out the door, handing them the necessary Cobra forms on their way out.

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  41. jack says:

    If things were blacked out in the docs and reports and we find out it had nothing to do with methods and sources … I want the names of the people that redacted them, and also their bosses names and I want full investigation into every single thing that was redacted to hid these crooks!

    Also, Trump should order that he see those docs , immediately , like tomorrow, unredacted … and also the redeacted version from before, so he can compare them, side by side. I’m not saying Trump would release them, but have them on his desk, so he can look and allow W.H. lawyers to review them to see how far the conspiracy has gone.

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  42. Lactantius says:

    Gina Haspel, Director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State and former Director of the CIA, President Donald J. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence should each take a caravan of black SUV’s and converge on the Department of Justice Building to meet with Rod Rosenstein, Deputy Director of the Department of Justice, and Christopher Wray, Director of the FBI.

    The Vice President of the United States should reach into the pocket of The President of the United States and withdraw a list of documents which are pure and unredacted and which the Four Horsemen of the Black SUVs will examine. Any and all DOJ and FBI experts who wish to redact information are welcome to confer with their ultimate boss. Smiles and beverages and cookies will give way to the highest level Come To Jesus meeting ever held in the Executive Branch of the United States Government.

    President of the United States Donald J. Trump should be ready to stick the documents in his pocket and ask who among them is going to stop him from going out the door.

    This high drama scenario is not without philosophical basis. The Constitution is the fundamental law of our ordered government and our government is operated in accordance with the rule of law. The tangled web involved in all of this is that whoever is POTUS, the president has total clearance to know everything within the executive authority. Unfortunately, Feinstein, Pelosi, Schiff, Warner and many others get security clearance because of their rank, not because of their honesty or integrity. So, when it comes to the battle of the titans, POTUS is the big Kahuna and it stinks to be a corrupt elected or appointed official who has got stuff to hide.

    If “sources and methods” can trump President Donald J. Trump, then the geeks and creeps are actually running the asylum.

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  43. Buster Hyman says:

    Certainly IG Horowitz has all of the information POTUS has requested, without redactions. If the FISA applications are as damaging as the Republicans contend and they get released for the public to see, who will begin indicting the corrupt officials?

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    • dallasdan says:

      I previously anticipated that the big fish would not feel the rule-of-law applied to them, and they would swim away with a termination, hand slap, and their pension benefits. However, I am seeing things differently now that their actions are a brazen, frontal attack against the President and the constitution.

      I’m guessing the declassified documents are as explosive and damning as Nunes, Gaetz, and Jordan have publicly stated, and indictments and prosecutions are increasingly likely outcomes.

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  44. I think Sundance made a mistake early on (only with hindsight could he even know) thinking Peter Strzok had been put in an office and told to sit there until ordered to do anything else.

    I think it pretty clear with all the corruption in the FBI that he was still allowed to work on things. I wouldn’t bet against Strzok being involved in some of the redactions.

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    • VegasGuy says:

      I posted a related item to this a month ago or so. They put him in Human Resources. Isn’t that where all personnel records are for all employees? Pretty convenient to have him “correct” employee records regarding who worked where & when as well as with whom…..

      But I digress….As SD would say….

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      • Your Tour Guide says:

        Agree with Bryan and Vegas guy on this one.
        Posted something about it earlier in thread.

        Something else also comes to mind regarding
        Strzok’s actions during the hearings. If he was the
        one handling the redactions, he knew precisely what
        everyone was able to see or not see regarding the
        communications between him, Page, and others.

        Wouldn’t that make you shiver with glee? Knowing
        that much of the damning evidence had already
        been altered in your favor?

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      • V says:

        Yes, I remember saying something of the dangers of Strzok being in HR, way back when. However, if he did access and alter anyone’s personnel files or other FBI computerized files, his fingerprints can be forensically discovered.

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    • mugzey302 says:

      He certainly had his security clearance a lot longer than he should have!

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  45. Of particular fascination to me is the Rosenstein-to-Mueller August 2 letter and the redacted hunk in that. It’s a shame POTUS didn’t include this in his Order.

    In his related blog post, SD makes the case that “Mueller wasn’t asking Rosenstein to expand the focus of the endeavor; team Mueller was asking Rosenstein to NARROW the focus of their investigation.”

    I have to assume this is an educated inference as it’s not evident (to me anyway) from the unredacted portions of the letter. Could not the missing midsection just as easily conceal a fishing expedition i.e. a broadening of investigatory scope?

    Yes, there is ample MOTIVE for narrowing (especially with the Srzok-Page messages coming to light a couple of weeks earlier and assorted McCabe/Ohr malfeasance) for wanting to prevent the investigation from ‘turning around on itself’ and investigating the investigators.

    But beyond this, how can it be said with assurance Rosenstein and Mueller were engineering a narrowing. Also, as we learned about the Aug 2 letter essentially by accident, it begs the question how much course correction between the two has gone down that we’re simply unaware of. Secret IC’s return us to the Star Chamber nightmare.

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  46. DanO64 says:

    This is how Our VSG can settle the WhoreMe Daniels allegation about his pecker.https://youtu.be/HgRE6BPhN2I

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  47. cdnintx says:

    How do they handle the text messages where we know they deleted text messages? They weren’t even left in and blacked/redacted out….entire msgs aren’t even showing in the timelines?

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  48. Cappy says:

    A few public hangings for treason would go a long way to prevent this in the coming decades.

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  49. kiskiminetas says:

    Have all of those who came up with this plan and those who helped them carry it out be herded up and flown to Gitmo to face military tribunals.

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  50. rustybritches says:

    / I really hope t now the President will not allow any grass to grow under his feet because if he does not do anything about getting rid of these people he will wind up being sorry and why should he wait until after the mid terms If he does not do something now, By the time he gets those papers the people involved will just give him what they want him to have and nothing more and I would arrest, brennon and clapper and Wray for going against what the president needs to do, never trusted him and according to New max this morning the FBI is moving away from the President to stop any of his demands They forget they work for him and they are not
    INDEPENDENT but after watching Sessions and Wray for this past year Its clear that all of them are pretty intrenched in the bull crap that’s been going on in trying to take down the President
    and RR is nothing but a big dirt bag who gets mad too easily

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