Attorney General Jeff Sessions Confirms Prior Appointment of “DOJ Prosecutor” to Parallel IG Horowitz, NOT a Special Counsel…

There has been a great deal of consternation, directed toward AG Jeff Sessions surrounding the ongoing FISA abuse scandal and the larger issues of unlawful DOJ and FBI conduct in their political investigation of candidate Donald Trump.  It is a matter of great division amid people who follow the details.

That said, AG Jeff Sessions revealed tonight in an interview with Shannon Bream, that he previously appointed a DOJ official to investigate the issues delivered by Chairman Bob Goodlatte (House Judiciary), prior to receiving the request for a Special Counsel from Chairman Goodlatte and Trey Gowdy.  WATCH:

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Transcript @00:15 (emphasis mine) “Well, I have great respect for Mr. Gowdy and Chairman Goodlatte, and we are going to consider seriously their recommendations. I have appointed a person outside of Washington, many years in the Department of Justice to look at all the allegations that the House Judiciary Committee members sent to us; and we’re conducting that investigation.

Also I am well aware we have a responsibility to insure the integrity of the FISA process, we’re not afraid to look at that. The inspector general, some think that our inspector general is not very strong; but he has almost 500 employers, employees, most of which are lawyers and prosecutors; and they are looking at the FISA process. We must make sure that it’s done properly, and we’re going to do that. And I’ll consider their request.”

Well, there you have it.  There is already an appointed person, likely a prosecutor, from “outside of Washington”, in place prior to the recent request for a Special Counsel by Goodlatte and Gowdy.   That was exactly what an objective analysis of the events previously outlined – and we previously noted.

Attorney Jeff Sessions is noting the existence of an outside prosecutor who has been in place for quite a while, exactly as we thought.  All the evidence of this was/is clear if you follow the granular details closely.   Here’s how we figure it out; and also the reason why no-one in Washington DC -including congress and the president- was previously aware.

…”to look at all the allegations that the House Judiciary Committee sent to us” – HERE is an Example.  And here is a response:

♦#1) The DOJ Inspector General (Michael Horowitz) has an obligation to notify his superiors when he/she discovers illegal activity, or conduct that is likely unlawful, while conducting an internal investigation.  The IG cannot sit on knowledge or evidence of likely criminal conduct, just because he/she is conducting an investigation.  This is the same reason why IG Horowitz had to inform Special Counsel Robert Mueller in July of 2017 of the potentially unlawful conduct of members on his team (Lisa Page and Peter Strzok).

♦#2) The same people under investigation within the IG purview (FBI and DOJ officials) are transparently cooperating with the Inspector General.  That cooperation, in combination with a likelihood of unlawful conduct, would require a DOJ official (prosecutor) to be assigned to negotiate and outline the DOJ legal terms of investigative compliance.  The person negotiating the terms for cooperation would NOT be the Inspector General; because of the potential for criminal charges related to the investigated individuals, it would be the job of a DOJ career prosecutor to comply with legal needs.

♦#3) Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce and Nellie Ohr and Bill Priestap have quotes inside the HPSCI memos.  Those quotes come from investigative interviews; no congressional committee has interviewed those persons.  Those would be a few of the people in #2 above; and their testimony to Horowitz and a DOJ Prosecutor, would make them witnesses in a criminal investigation.  That explains why they have not given interviews to congressional committees.  The DOJ needs to keep the integrity of their testimony inside the investigative unit. (ie. in the control of the DOJ official from outside Washington that Jeff Sessions notes).

♦#4) President Trump is the chief executive over the DOJ and FBI; however, in this odd dynamic he is also the victim within the conspiracy as potentially outlined by the investigation.  Therefore, again to protect the integrity of the investigation and witness testimony, the victim would be kept at arms length and not informed of the criminal investigation.  That’s why POTUS Trump doesn’t know; and AG Sessions must keep distance from any discussion with the executive due to this separation.

♦#5) Cooperating witness testimony in a criminal investigation also means congress would not know of the details.  Congress (Nunes, Gowdy and Goodlatte) wouldn’t even know a criminal investigation was opened.  The prosecutor works parallel with, but separate from, the IG investigation.  Congress would know of the IG, but not the prosecutor.  This interview by AG Sessions is the first indication congress would have of a DOJ official already looking at the criminal issues.

♦#6) And the most transparent reason why we know there’s a DOJ prosecutor already on the case is because Jeff Sessions just said there was.

Here’s the U.S. Code explaining the power of the Inspector General – SEE HERE

(Source LINK)

Additionally on February 27th, 2018, Attorney General Jeff Sessions held a press briefing to announce the opioid task force (video below).  During the Q&A segment of the presser, Fox News Catherine Herridge asked AG Sessions if the FISA court abuses outlined by Chairman Devin Nunes, Chairman Bob Goodlatte and Chairman Chuck Grassley would be investigated by the DOJ.

Attorney General Sessions affirms the FISA court abuse by the DOJ and FBI will indeed be investigated and prosecuted and directed attention to Inspector General Michael Horowitz. [watch at 37:57 of video – prompted]

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This February 27th mention by AG Jeff Sessions WAS NOT NEWS.

This earlier admission is exactly what those who have followed closely will note has seemed to be the direction since mid-year 2017.   As AG Sessions affirms, IG Horowitz is NOT limited in scope.  Horowitz is investigating *all* avenues of politicization within the DOJ and FBI and abuse therein; this includes FISA abuse.   Add this to General Sessions’ answer today about the appointment of a DOJ official from outside Washington, and you can clearly see the IG and appointed prosecutor have been working together for quite some time.

How long?

Likely since the time when IG Horowitz informed the AG and AAG that he may have discovered significant evidence of unlawful conduct within the DOJ and FBI.  That would be around July/August 2017.

More visibility of the prosecutor is clear within the timeline:

January 4th, 2018, an agreement was finally made between House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes and DOJ Asst. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein for complete disclosure of all unredacted documents AND a list of witnesses who Nunes wanted the HPSCI to question.

Included in those names was: FBI agent Peter Strzok and FBI lawyer Lisa Page, who exchanged anti-Trump text messages during an affair and previously worked on the special counsel’s Russia probe; FBI general counsel James Baker, who was reassigned; FBI head of counterintelligence Bill Priestap, whom ex-FBI boss James Comey testified made the decision not to brief Congress about the Russia case during last year’s election; and Bruce Ohr, a DOJ official reassigned after concealing meetings with figures involved in the dossier.

The January 4th agreement between Devin Nunes and Rod Rosenstein was made after a great deal of back-and-forth. Chairman Nunes then documented the agreement in a letter.

On January 8th, Bruce Ohr was demoted for the second time. [AND DOJ officials scheduled Bruce Ohr to be available to Devin Nunes on January 17th]

On January 9th, the DOJ provided the unredacted DOJ/FBI documents requested to Chairman Nunes; the documents the DOJ produced surrounded the Clinton-Steele Dossier and the FISA Title-1 application. The documents were assigned to a SCIF in the basement of the House. Those documents become the basis for Chairman Nunes to outline his memo; essentially a declassification request to the White House written by Trey Gowdy.

As a result of the agreement between Rod Rosenstein and Devin Nunes, one member from each side of the HPSCI aisle (one Democrat and one Republican) was permitted to review the original FISA application documents which included the Clinton-Steele dossier use therein.

Trey Gowdy and Adam Schiff were the two Intel committee members who reviewed. (Remember, this is January 9th, 2018) [Only Gowdy, Schiff, Ratcliffe and House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte reviewed the original FISA documents]

A week later, January 16th, 2018, Chairman Nunes postponed the witness interview with DOJ official Bruce Ohr scheduled for the next day, January 17th.

Instead, on January 18th, 2018, the HPSCI voted to allow all members of the House to review the Nunes-Gowdy Memo created after the DOJ provided the documents (January 9th). [January 18th THROUGH February 2nd was #ReleaseTheMemo]

Now remember, throughout this time none of those prior agreed-upon FIVE witnesses (Strzok, Page, Priestap, Baker, Ohr) have been interviewed. Everyone’s attention shifted from witness testimony to the Memo; and as Democrat Eric Swalwell stated, no witness was interviewed. Period. [<- key point].

So to summarize so far: during January all the DOJ documents arrived, the HPSCI (Nunes) memo was written, released, declassified and released to the public on February 2nd, 2018 but no witnesses testified. [Nunes Memo – Link]

So the question becomes:

How does the exact testimony (including quotes) of Bruce Ohr, and Bill Priestap become part of the Nunes Memo if neither Bruce Ohr or Bill Priestap was ever interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee?

Who is doing the interrogations of Bill Priestap and Bruce Ohr?

It’s not the HPSCI. It’s not the House Judiciary Committee and it’s not the Senate (Chuck Grassley). [Remember Grassley is relying on responsive FD-302’s provided by the FBI.]

See where this is going?  The investigative unit of the IG is providing congress with transcripts of testimony from IG investigators (DOJ and FBI employees within the OIG); with the review, control and approval of the DOJ outside prosecutor.

DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz has interviewed these witnesses, likely with his appointed DOJ prosecutor, and extracted testimony.  This explains why Devin Nunes changed his approach after discussion with AAG Rod Rosenstein and was no longer in a hurry to interview the FIVE? (Strzok, Page, Ohr, Baker and Priestap).

Let me remind everyone that each of the aforementioned names is still within the system. Unlike Mike Kortan, David Laufman, Sally Yates, James Rybicki or Andrew McCabe, none of the five (Strzok, Page, Ohr, Baker, Priestap) have been removed. Peter Strzok is in FBI HR; Lisa Page is doing something; Bruce Ohr and James Baker are holding down chairs somewhere; and Bill Priestap is still Asst. FBI Director in charge of counterintelligence.

It doesn’t go unnoticed the media are transparently not following up on Peter, Lisa, Bruce Jim or Bill. No satellite trucks in front of their houses etc.; no pounding on their doors for comment etc. Nothing.

Further, ask yourself why Inspector General Michael Horowitz (or someone thereabouts) began to advance upon the entire ‘Trump operation’ with releases of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page text messages? Why them? Surely, other collaborative communication was also captured, yet we only heard of Page and Strzok. Why?

Here’s what is becoming transparently obvious. The fab-five are cooperating with the investigative unit of the OIG. All five of them.

The text message release was strategic. It was intended to substantiate the entire enterprise, put the ‘small group on notice’ and flush out the co-conspirators. The downstream exits of Kortan, Laufman, Rybicki, McCabe et al are evidence therein.

Additionally, the OIG (Horowitz) would want to keep the testimony of Page, Strzok, Ohr, Baker and Priestap away from the Democrat politicians, well known leakers, within the House Intelligence Committee (ie. Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff) until he was certain their usefulness as witnesses was exhausted.

The reason for this is transparently simple. The OIG is a division inside the Department of Justice. During an internal investigation if the IG becomes aware of unlawful activity he/she is obligated to inform the AG (Sessions) or AAG (Rosenstein). He can’t ignore it and he cannot delay notification of it. Unlawful activity must be reported.

The IG does not have legal or prosecutorial authority – the IG must immediately refer unlawful activity to the proper authority; essentially to his boss. A DOJ prosecutor is then assigned to work with the IG (as Jeff Sessions confirmed today) and essentially creates a parallel investigation focused only on the law-breaking part.

[That prosecutor could, likely would, then begin a Grand Jury proceeding; and no-one outside the AG, AAG, and the ‘outside’ prosecutor’s office would know.]

The prior testimony/statements to the IG by the fab-five would explain why AAG Rod Rosenstein was negotiating with Devin Nunes; would explain why Rosenstein was reluctant to allow testimony; and would also explain why Nunes came away from those negotiations with wind in his investigative sails.

The DOJ (Rod Rosenstein) needs to wall-off the politics (Nunes/Congress) from the ongoing criminal investigation (DOJ-OIG-Prosecutor) to preserve the integrity of his advancing and assembling case (including criminal witness testimony).

As soon as he understood this was going on, and after a review of the FISA documents – Nunes dropped his demand for immediate testimony by the fab-five to the HPSCI mid-January.  [A record is already established]

As a person familiar with such specific investigative measures recently shared:

“They are sat down, told to not do anything, say anything or discuss anything UNTIL they get an attorney. At which time, the attorney is handed a letter from the investigating unit. That letter says in essence, this is how screwed you are. If you want to be less screwed you will sign this letter of cooperation and assist us. When we don’t need you, you sit there. When we do we will call you and you will provide what we need. Any deviation from this agreement lands you in jail for the full term.”

Additionally regarding Bruce and Nellie Ohr:

“The Republican memo states they turned over all their work and testified to someone that Bruce Ohr met with Christopher Steele and Steele was saying he didn’t want Trump in office. They didn’t testify to a Congressional committee, so it had to be the IG.”

The already existing “outside DOJ official” outlined by AG Sessions, is the person who would be constructing the witness agreements with approval of his DOJ bosses, Rosenstein and Sessions.

All of the news and information coming forward, including the lack of follow-up attention by the Democrats regarding the minority HPSCI memo, aligns with a very specific set of facts.  Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Baker, Bill Priestap, Bruce Ohr and likely Nellie Ohr, have cut some kind of deal with the outside prosecutor for process leniency in exchange for cooperation with the IG and DOJ prosecutor.

Thereby the Fab-Five have provided the IG investigative team and the DOJ prosecutor with sworn statements and testimony which is highlighted in investigative communication between the DOJ and Chairman Nunes; and we see snippets surfacing in the Nunes memo.  That perspective explains everything seen and not seen.

It is likely the final investigative summary from the Department of Justice, Office of Inspector General (DOJ-OIG), Michael Horowitz, is going to be very encompassing.  It is also likely to be immediately followed-up by actions, perhaps immediate indictments, from the DOJ Prosecutor who Jeff Sessions brought in from outside Washington.

There is no need for a “Special Counsel” when a DOJ Prosecutor is already working with IG Horowitz.  The “outside prosecutor” can begin issuing subpoenas for Grand Jury testimony and statements by the officials no longer within the DOJ/FBI, just as soon as the IG report is finished.

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1,145 Responses to Attorney General Jeff Sessions Confirms Prior Appointment of “DOJ Prosecutor” to Parallel IG Horowitz, NOT a Special Counsel…

  1. doohmax says:

    This is the site where the real info we need is laid out step by step and is fully documented. I do think the title should be changed to Attorney General Sessions instead of Senator Sessions shouldn’t it? Don’t mean to be a nit-picker, but…….

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  2. jmclever says:

    Wondering why Sessions is referred to as Senator I the headline?

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    • Most ex-Congress persons are addressed in that manner after leaving office. Quite common.

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      • MILupper says:

        New to the Treehouse, have been reading for many months. I believe the reference to Senator Sessions goes to the time line of events.
        Inspector General opens investigation on 1-7-17.
        Sessions isn’t confirmed AG until 2-8-17.
        It was during this time gap that a prosecutor was appointed to parallel the IG investigation.
        Whoever it is has been up and running for well over a year.
        IG Horowitz had spent 5 years under Obama in which every investigation was interfered with or terminated. He knows all the law breaking that went on during that 5 years.

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  3. BTW, for those from NE: STILL waiting for an answer from Gov. Rickett’s office re: possible Promise Program here in NE. Funny, “Ryan” had to meet with Communications Director before he could answer my question. Then, he calls and says I need to either e-mail or send a letter outlining my request since “It is a complicated situation.” Yeah, right! My disgust is rising by the day!!!!

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  4. bob says:

    It’s hard, almost impossible to imagine Sessions doing anything significant, anything. The reasons for this should be clear to Sundance — Sessions is the swamp, the ultimate insider. Trump want’s him out.

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    • Keebler ac says:

      It was Priebus the pretender and of swamp who advised the President to not fire Sessions. This is the third call out on Sessions by the President. He would have fired Sessions by the third strike if not for the sticky web of muck created by a recused right hand man. Bannon too, on the other side of the swamp joined in with the swamp salivating at the prospect of impeachment. The problem is these people think they are better than the Office of the President. It’s a show of embarassment for Conservatives.

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      • 4sure says:

        Yeah. Wake me and Sessions when even one DOJ/FBI/Deep State criminal is charged with a crime. Let alone fired. And Comey does not count as he should have been fired on day one of the Trump admin.This whole charade should be on SNL w/Sessions as the comic. That’s what a life long Senate career does to one. Makes them incompetent and lazy.

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    • georgiafl says:

      Keep telling yourself that…..

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      • TatonkaWoman says:

        😉

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      • farmhand1927 says:

        Hope and pray you are right! ‘Cuz if not, all the criminal seditionists walk free. Forever.

        The lawsuit against California is a glimmer of hope, but lawsuits take a very long time to settle. Then there’s appeals. More time. How many more law enforcement officers must die at the hands of criminal aliens while we wait for the lawyers and court system? How many more citizens will be harmed? How much more taxpayer money will be spent to support the illegal population and an enormous tab for a federal lawsuit? How many sanctuary protectionists feel any threat from a lawsuit?

        The mayor of Oakland should be indicted by the DOJ. The sanctuary protectionists in Colorado should be dealt with using the strong arm of the DOJ. This last weekend, an illegal alien caused a vehicular accident along I-70 in Denver, killing a truck driver. He left the scene but was apprehended. He sits in the Denver County jail. ICE wants him. The Denver County Sheriff’s office won’t turn him over because he’s protected in their ‘sanctuary’. The sheriff’s office is aided and abetted by the Denver mayor and Colorado governor, both facilitating a sanctuary for criminals and expecting taxpayers to not just pay the freight, but like it too.

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      • Mark L. says:

        I’m late to this posting today but have been waiting for a long time. Incredible news that Sessions has been doing what we hoped all along. A parallel investigation from the DOJ with authority to act. IG can only report.

        * So who is this DOJ operative with years experience?
        * I believe we are talking about Grand Jury. Please correct me if I’m mistaken.
        * Timing of release of IG report.
        * Get your umbrellas.

        Sundance, Thanks a Ton. Get well.

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      • blind no longer says:

        Love the Picture gafl. Is that the emerald coast or Orange beach?

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Yup, she’s a comin’!

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Which storm is that? Mine below is Gustav from NOLA CBD.

        Wish I had a pic that showed what I saw as a kid on Ft. Walton Beach with Camille on the horizon–a lot like the animated graphic used here from time to time of the red-haired girl looking out at an approaching storm–waves were fun before literally bugging out to the hills.

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    • Rich says:

      Trolls will troll.

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      • pyromancer76 says:

        And we don’t know. If those who are suggested to be trolls, or have been consistently negative (and sometimes nastily so), to AG Sessions as a valid AG, would include their data, links, evidence, plus at least have the humility to admit that they don’t know, we might all be better able to stand the suspense – together. CTH is the most amazing “together” place. Respect is needed.

        We all know the wheels of justice — if we are to have iron-clad justice — run slowly and they must run exactly. But no one knows, not even Sundance.

        However, Sundance is providing the closest look, according to the available evidence, that what we hope for is happening — justice for the illegalities, criminals, and traitors. I also want new oaths of allegiance to the Constitution with real penalties, real teeth, for subverting U.S. laws.

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    • amwick says:

      AG Sessions has already done significant stuff. Lots of it. AG Sessions is not a swamp creature, not by a country mile. If our President wanted him out, all we would be seeing is arses and elbows. SD is very clear on all of this, absolutely.

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    • todayistheday99 says:

      Does the existence of a previously unannounced DOJ prosecutor make NO difference to your foregone conclusion? Since you said “almost impossible’ do you have a molecule of hope that “the possum” “stealth Jeff” Sessions is busy working on it? Or is it completely hopeless?

      I believe that Sessions’ disclosure of the DOJ prosecutor is partial confirmation that the “kabuki theory” is at play. I base this on one speculation: VSG President Trump’s recent slamming of Jeff occurred while VSG President Trump knew of the existence of the DOJ prosecutor (which could have been accomplished by using the same deduction that VSG Sundance just explained, from white hats inside the IC or other means). So why slam Sessions if VSG President Trump “is aware” there is already a DOJ prosecutor appointed, unless to keep up a kabuki pretense:

      “kabuki theory” any of several scenarios esp floated on twitter threads based on the hypothesis that Trump & Sessions are working closely “but behind the scenes” to drain the swamp or similar conclusion.

      Here is a recent tweet from Stealth Jeff 8 days prior to this Sundance article which further confirms:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/968955274018131968.html

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  5. phoenixRising says:

    I’m sitting here praying the wrong people (Dems/reporters) DON’T read Sundance’s article while at the same time, shaking my head at comments from many who apparently DIDN’T read or merely glanced at the article.

    It’s not because our respected Sundance wrote the article that I feel better, it’s because Sundance left nothing to inference. He more than covered the points, he fully clothed them.

    Why in the name of goodness do any of you need the name of the appointed “person” – or whether or not he’s a prosecutor FOR SURE? Why don’t you fax a copy of Sundance’s article over to Mueller! I’m sure he would find it interesting.

    This “NEED TO KNOW” everything is just a little much. And might I add, bordering on obsessive.

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    • Bravo! Thank you!!!!

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    • rf121 says:

      Because the lack of trust and faith in the FBI/DOJ is deep. Sundance made some great points. But for many of us we won’t believe it until we see it. The scepticism is deep.

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      • MVW says:

        Watching paint dry in cold weather also comes to mind, and sausage. So much can be a mere dodge when secrecy and so much time is required. Then there is the track record of anything legal, toss a bent coin, even when politics isn’t involved… and politics is involved.

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      • cozette says:

        The sceptical could perhaps spend their time actually DOING something to help save our country and our lives rather than passively waiting and posting doom and gloom. Elections are coming up in a few months. Do you want Pelosi in charge of the House? Do you want Schiff to replace Nunes? Do you want Maxine to be able to “Impeach 45?” Whether that happens is up to you. It’s up to us. Winning requires a positive attitude and hope. Please think before you post something that undermines winning. #InternetBillofRights. Sign the WH petition. #2018elections #RedWave.

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        • Flight93Gal says:

          Cozette, love your posts but disagree with your comment on what winning requires. Not attitude and hope– “winning requires execution”. YES to rallying ALL to vote in midterms! In fact, in Chicago, everyone votes more than once!

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          • cozette says:

            Flight93Gal. I invite you to use “and” thinking rather than “either/or” thinking. Winning DOES require hope and a positive attitude. Negative, hopeless, defeatist never even get to the execution/action stage you referenced. That is why people who post doom and gloom, hand wringing comments are so insidious. The chans call them black pills. Poison.

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      • amwick says:

        Skepticism is a ditch, the horse is patience, hope is the rider. That is from he art of Amwick. Sometimes you need a leap of faith.

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      • Rich says:

        Smart people are naturally skeptical. Evidence continues to build that Sessions shows his cards one corner at a time and we are moving in the right direction. But there are some incredibly dense people who can’t understand the brilliantly cogent and logical posts that Sundance shows us. We all await final justice, but building airtight cases against people who have the means to financially defend themselves requires a methodical approach.
        It also requires tactical silence. Patience is needed. It will turn out fine as Sessions is a true white hat.

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      • Mark L. says:

        Well when the indictments roll just ignore the attorney’s name. Unfortunately who this individual is speaks volumes.

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      • The scepticism is deep, and thick with me, but hope has a way of lifting me up and enabling me to see more than I would have without it. I can see that we are moving towards justice, even though I also see a long bumpy path. I thank Sundance and all the Treepers that have strengthened my hope, tying a knot to strengthen my grip when I was at the end of my rope. Thank you all!

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    • dawg says:

      Well I guess I should stop posting links to Sundance’s articles in reply to all the negative supposed Trump supporters on Breitbart.

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      • trialbytruth says:

        Lol dawg
        Battered conservatives spontaneously appear here without links. Justice was non existent for a least 8 years it is hard to have hope.

        The dog and poney shows of Congress over the last 8 years embittered everyone. In part because many did not understand congresses limitations on compelling testimony. It was also beyond the imagination of most that once Congress identified a crime in plain sight that there was no way to compel justice to prosecute.

        Now we are aware and are watching effective fact finding congressional committees. We want justice and the fear is the swamp will swallow everything whole. The fear lives regardless of the fact that the players have changed.

        We now have the least political and the most dedicated AG to rule of law we have ever had. The desire of the mob is to counter the years of legal abuse with more legal abuse.

        President Donald Trump’s wisely chose Jeff Sessions to return the rule of law. To counter years of abuse with a demonstration of how constitutional law is applied without shortcuts. This move was critical if we are going to remove and re-educate the culture of corruption that permeates DC.

        The fact that as citizens we anticipate the same level of corruption from Trump’s appointment is telling. Whether you believe that Sessions should shortcuts due process or believe he will bury the crime, both testify to the level of corruption we expect.

        I too am impatient to see frog marches. I too want revenge. Above all else I seek justice constitutionally prosecuted in the public square. A warning to those who seek power and a message of hope to America and that world truth can prevail.

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        • Mark McQueen says:

          “The dog and poney shows of Congress over the last 8 years embittered everyone. In part because many did not understand congresses limitations on compelling testimony. It was also beyond the imagination of most that once Congress identified a crime in plain sight that there was no way to compel justice to prosecute.”

          You hit nail on the head with the last sentence. It was hardly a dog and pony show. Congress very successfully investigated Hillary and PROVED their case. Their only option was to begin impeachment proceedings against Lynch. I believe they should have even knowing it would fail. Hillary didn’t skate because of Congress’ ineptitude. She skated because Obama’s DOJ was just as crooked as she was.

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      • mnlakes says:

        So you’re thinking many of the negative comments on here are those that followed your link to Sundance? Could be but there is a chance you are bringing in many that never heard of the Conservative Treehouse and have only been exposed to the Negativity of Breitbart. Eventually, their eyes will be opened.

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        • dawg says:

          No, not saying that mnlakes, I was just saying that in response to phoenixs hope that the wrong people don’t read sundance. There are a LOT of the “wrong” people in BB comment section nowadays.

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          • There ARE a lot of unhappy Dems/Toxic Stress Generators that have nothing better to do than post hate and discontent, and Breitbart is a magnet for them because of Steve Bannon. Be kind and patient with their broken hearts, I have some empathy with their predicament having lived through bc and bo terms.

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          • steph_gray says:

            Well perhaps it’s a good thing that so many don’t read sundance fully before they start with whatever their comment mantra is. Everyone at CTH is smarter than the average bear, and yet, that still happens…

            OTOH, the leftists of the world don’t even know there is an average bear. In fact, I suspect that something like 99% of the diehard moonbats I know would angrily refuse to read sundance at all in fear of polluting their careful brainwashing.

            I don’t fear that any of them will wake up in time before the MOAB of justice hits.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Excellent post

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    • billrla says:

      phoenixRising: What is it about our opaque, obfuscating, dishonest, stonewalling, prevaricating and, at times, outright lying government that you admire?

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    • 4sure says:

      I’ll bet you didn’t care a whit to know anything that the Obama DOJ was doing.

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  6. Keebler ac says:

    With all due respect to 7th dimensional chess the kind apparently that President Trump and Bannon played at their highest time of discord, real chess players and game theorists have figured out that the Mueller witch hunt investigation continues today long past it’s due date – which was to be Nov 2017………and no Special Counsel with objective force has been appointed as recommended by Oversight to investigate Mueller……because this would end the reason for Sessions and Rosie’s hold on their current positions. The only reason they now cannot be fired is because of the Mueller SC. Neither of those two have expressed disappointment in learning of the FISA abuses because it points to their failure more than success. The DOJ under Rosie has been less than lacklustre in responding to the FiSA investigation every step of the way. This is why it’s dragging out, not because of legal mumbo jumbo. Session’s hold on his position as well as Rosie is on the line if Mueller SC gets dismantled. This is called swamp maneuvers

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    • amber says:

      100% correct. The minute the Mueller SC ends those two are gone. And they know it. Hence the display of solidarity the other night. I believe this is another stalling tactic by Sessions. And many on here are willing to take any scaps Sessions throws at us just so they can say “I told you so”. I disagree with Sundance’s 4D dimensional chess theory.

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    • mossback says:

      Maybe one needs to understand how the Trump works. He never fires someone who works for him unless, 1) They betray him 2) They really screw up 3) He no longer trusts them 4) Its all in his plan. Sessions is still AG because that is how Trump wants it. Muller is still there because that is how Trump wants it. When Muller is no longer useful, he will be gone. If Sessions is still there, none of the 4 criteria have been met. Sessions, to pardy the Mantra of US Marine Recon……..innocuous, Silent, Deadly.

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      • MVW says:

        Nothing can happen until 2018 elections are in, and that assumes a good outcome.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Celer, Silens, Mortalis (“Swift, Silent, Deadly”)

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      • 4sure says:

        Trump can’t fire anyone in the DOJ or FBI because of the hell that would ensue from the never trumpers in the house and sen. on both sides. He has has been neutered by congress. They have shown him where the real power lies. And it “ain’t” in the WH. Had congress stood up to Obama, he would have been neutered as well.

        Until Trump decides to take on a congressional firestorm, he will never fire anyone in the DOJ/FBI. He knows it, they know it and we know it.

        It is what it is.

        Gregg Jarrett on Lou Dobbs said his sources inside the DOJ say that Sessions is incompetent. I believe it because 99% of the Sens. are incompetent.

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        • cozette says:

          Why are you taking the word of Greg Jarrett who bases his opinions on “sources inside the DOJ”? Sessions incompetent? Lol. That’s Fox fear porn for their battered conservative audience. No mature observer/analysts takes this blather seriously. It’s political entertainment designed to keep up their ratings. Sundance on the other hand offers facts. Primary sources. Data points we can verify for ourselves. Then he offers his analysis. I wish more people appreciated the difference between the idiot opiners on FOX, none of whom expected Trump to win btw, and Sundance who predicted Trumps victory in 2015.

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          • 4sure says:

            There are not any bigger Trump supporters than Greg Jarrett and Lou Dobbs on Fox Business. Tucker Carlson as well on reg Fox. .

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            • cozette says:

              4sure Greg may be a supporter NOW but that doesn’t make him intelligent or worth listening to. None of the analysts at FOX are very bright or deeply informed imho. Tucker is probably the best of the lot but still offers snacks for surface skimmers.

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        • trialbytruth says:

          Oh yeah a nuttered Trump. I would.love to see the man who would.try. What a disrespectful.coment to.make.

          Our President just enacted.tariffs.inspite of resistence. Our President effectively ended Obama Care by both removing mandate and by offering a cost effective alternative vehicle. Our President defeated.the war machines ISIS. All of these actions were in opposition to the “all powerful’ Congress you describe.

          It is people.like you who give them what power they have to resist our President. Congress.wants you to believe they hold the keys to the kingdom. Your perpetuating.that lie empowers.the enemy you profess.

          Stomp your feet and hold.your breath and maybe it will go away or you can continue to empower your oppressor. Chose.wisely.

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  7. Beigun says:

    “Ode to Jeff Sessions”

    Jeff Sessions, quiet as ‘Bama Possum
    Laying Low by the Creek
    Look like he be Sleepen’
    Nobody know what he Doin’
    Up that IG CREEK!

    Now, Hillary started a-Shaken’
    And Obama, his eyes got real Wide!
    ‘Cause that Sleepy Ol’ Possum
    Had their Ass for Skinnen Time!

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    • Keebler ac says:

      That’s rather amusing! Rosie will protect Obama while Session sleeps.

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      • cozette says:

        Keebler, if you’re going to hallucinate about politics why not hallucinate something positive and uplifting especially when the FACTS have supported being hopeful for well over a year?

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        • Keebler ac says:

          Hallucinations about a recused AG being a force to contend with is your territory. Sessions will never go after Obama.

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          • Rich says:

            How do you know he is still recused? You assume this because he has not come out and announced it? Is he required to publicly state he is now unrecused? Food for thought….

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            • Keebler ac says:

              The DOJ and FBI are to serve the public. The problem is that these two departments think they are above the law and only accountable to themselves. They are accountable to the public. Sessions is still recused until further notice and nothing, not even cries of stealth and delusions of umpteen level chess changes it until he takes charge of the Mueller witch hunt.

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          • cozette says:

            Keebler hallucinates negative fantasies and now has a time machine thats taken him into the future and returned him back to 2018 so he can authoritively say what Sessions won’t do! BTW have you factored in military tribunals into your calculations? If not, why not?

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            • Keebler ac says:

              Cozette you lack any substantive argument and now typify leftist ad hominems. Ciao

              “The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.”

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      • amwick says:

        AG Sessions is not sleeping, hardly.

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  8. jrparz says:

    This just posted from Q…

    “Do you trust Sessions – BOOM!”

    I’ve never wavered because I trust Q – so should you!

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  9. fleporeblog says:

    Folks sunlight is truly the greatest disinfectant of them all! I admit that I was one of the Treeper’s that was really worried about our AG. I owe Jeff Sessions a big apology. The last 45 seconds of the interview reminded me of the man that was stumping all across the country with our President. He absolute lit up as he spoke about candidate and now President Donald J. Trump. To me those 45 seconds reassured that every single person involved in this coup will be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

    I have had visions for over a year of waking up and turning my tv on and seeing arrests being made simultaneously all over the USA. Every single one of these POS being brought out of their homes in handcuffs. Some trying to use their overcoat to disguise their image from the cameras.

    After reading this post, I feel that my dream may actually become a reality! There were plenty of guilty men and women that watched that last night and couldn’t fall asleep. They took sleeping pill after sleeping pill and it just didn’t work. Their minds were racing like a Formula 1 car. Every single image imaginable of what will be their life going forward was playing itself out.

    They also found themselves wanting to vomit out whatever they ate earlier. Their bodies began to go into overdrive to eat them from the inside out.

    That gun on their nightstand began to get louder and louder. Some may have actually picked it up only to put it down again. They were able to once again convince themselves that they were HEROES and that BHO would once again protect them.

    Lets see how that plays out going forward! At some point the realization with hit them like a boulder. BHO isn’t going to save the day because he is in the same sinking ship as the rest of them!

    The Anticipation of DEATH is Far Worse Than DEATH Itself!

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    • fleporeblog says:

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      • ezpz2 says:

        @flep, operative word: “mulling “

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      • amber says:

        The caption is misleading. He is giving it “serious consideration”. I hope POTUS and Congress keep up the pressure on Sessions until his consideration turns into action

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        • The Boss says:

          “Mulling” takes fewer characters than “serious consideration”. That’s always been an issue with tweet limitations. But…”mulling” is actually a good shorthanded word. See following.

          From the Freedom Dictionary:

          v. mulled, mull·ing, mulls
          v.tr.
          To think about extensively; ponder.
          v.intr.
          To ruminate; ponder: mull over a plan.

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      • georgiafl says:

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        • Sentient says:

          Sessions aside, I’d believe Wictor more about who’s light years ahead of whom if he weren’t so captured by the theory that Mohammad bin Salman is bringing Islam out of the dark ages. Islam IS the dark ages. Our best hope is that its adherents don’t adhere very well. Is MbS a true reformer – or just a power grabber? Who knows? I know that CIA flack David Ignatius has sung MbS’s praises and MbS seems to be positioning for the same old “must depose Assad” plan that the neocons wanted and Trump ran against.

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          • cozette says:

            Sentient if you were actually interested in MbS you would do your own research into him as Wictor and I have done. Then perhaps you wouldn’t be so dismissive of Wictors theory about MsB. As you said yourself, you DON’T know. I do note that you described Wictor as being “captured” by his theory about MsB which struck me as a very odd verb choice so many primary sources to explain how he arrived at his theory. MsB is a truly fascinating man. No wonder he’s a Trump ally. They’re very similar. He is helping drain the Global Swamp. Enjoy.

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      • Keebler ac says:

        The thanks needs to go to President Trump. What’s taking so long on dismantling Mueller? So now we’ve progressed overnight finally from “a person” helping to a whole department of prosecutors under a US attorney. It’s a miracle! Praise be the AG on the save from strike out 3. I got on board with rhe second strike. NO MORE.

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    • georgiafl says:

      9+ investigations ongoing, some for a year and the IG alone has a team of over 400.

      The Storm is coming. You can smell and feel the ozone building.

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      • Orygun says:

        I am amazed at how some people think this can just be turned around tomorrow. We have an entire government that has been corrupted and I mean every branch. Look at the Robert’s decision on Obamacare for an example.

        The State governments in several states have been taken over thanks to voter fraud and are completely illegitimate. This is the result of infiltration for decades by the left and just plain corrupt people(Clintons).

        Some how we are to believe that Trump and Sessions can just change all this in a few short months. Literally, everything has been corrupted and the courts especially.
        You can bet that President Trump and AG Sessions are trying to find a way of unwinding all this corruption without a lot of bloodshed.

        I always used to think “if I was President blah blah would happen” but now I am just so thankful that we have President Trump and AG Sessions at the helm. I am no way competent enough to unravel this mess!

        The armchair generals need to go pick up a book.

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    • billrla says:

      Flep: Seriously, why the rush to admit your worry? We all worry. We have been mislead so many times that none of us trust the system to work honestly and transparently. I am encouraged by AG Sessions’ latest words, but my doubt lingers.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      “I admit that I was one of the Treeper’s that was really worried about our AG. I owe Jeff Sessions a big apology.”

      This is an excellent demonstration of honor and character from a poster long known for same. And there are a lot of people who need to emulate it.

      Crow goes down best…and is admired the most….when it is hot and fresh. Eating it cold, long after it was due to be consumed, garners no honor and shows a lack of character.

      Well done, Fle. Once again, showing people how to do things right. Respect.

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    • MVW says:

      Sessions’ slow and careful approach is commensurate with the difficulty of successful prosecution of seriously politically connected DC varmints, rodents, and snakes. It is also consistent with swamp tactics. That is what fuels the continued conflict of belief.

      I tend to believe Sessions is a straight arrow. Proof is only in the final outcome, long time down the legal road… unfortunate, unsatisfying, it is what it is though.

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      • Donzo says:

        Sessions could has appeased his doubters and given away the ghost while breaking prosecutorial protocols or taken the heat while carefully preparing the ground for Moab. Now, which course would you choose?

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        • lumoc1 says:

          Your question appeals to the reader’s intelligence which works rarely and only in a very limited number of cases because, unfortunately, after SD posts and AG Sessions interviews most negative comments show that their authors clearly lack that attribute.
          Most negative comments sadly show that most people react emotionally to the news rather than in a logical manner.
          The chances of getting these people to change their mind are rather small when one considers longstanding popular wisdom such as: ‘You can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink’ or, more appropriate in this case ‘ You cannot fix stupid’ 😉

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    • G. Combs says:

      “….I have had visions for over a year of waking up and turning my tv on and seeing arrests being made simultaneously all over the USA…..”

      That is what I see in the future.

      Following the timeline:
      1. IG Horowitz starts his investigations in January-February.

      2. Sundance thinks DOJ Prosecutor(s) are assigned by AG Sessions ~ July

      3. From October 30 through November 22, 2017, there are 4,289 sealed indictments filed in all 94 federal District Court Districts in the United States. (The “normal” is ~1000 in 12 months.)

      4. In December that number goes to Over 9,000 Sealed Indictments and President Trump unleashes his Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.

      5. By the end of January the number goes up to 13,605.

      6. Another treeper reported over 18,500 sealed cases were filed as of March 1.
      …..

      POLITICO — The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

      Daily Caller on the Awan Brothers — I Just saw this newer article and it is a DOOZY!
      Pakistanis Accessed Congressional Servers (note links at the bottom of the page)

      “…Their behavior mirrored a “classic method for insiders to exfiltrate data from an organization,” and they continued even after orders to stop….

      A second presentation shows that shortly before the election, their alleged behavior got even worse. “During September 2016, shared employee continued to use Democratic Caucus computers in anomalous ways:

      ✴️ Logged onto laptop as system administrator
      ✴️ Changed identity and logged onto Democratic Caucus server using 17 other user account credentials
      ✴️ Some credentials belonged to Members
      ✴️ The shared employee did not work for 9 of the 17 offices to which these user accounts belonged.”

      The investigation found “possible storage of sensitive House information outside the House…

      There are strong indications that many of the 44 members’ data — including personal information of constituents seeking help — was entirely out of those members’ possession, and instead was stored on the House Democratic Caucus server. […]”

      With luck the feces will shortly be hitting the rotating blades and tossing brown stinky matter all over the DemonRats.

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    • blind no longer says:

      LOL Flep. I just love your posts! You always remind me, justice will be served one way or the other, either in court or by their own hand.

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      Yep. I don’t fear death. I fear that moment just before when I’ll realize I pro’ly did something really stupid. Good motivator to avoid doing stupid stuff as much as possible. 0bunghole and his cadres didn’t get that memo.

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    • clive hoskin says:

      i agree.I think that there maybe a need to stock up on”Piano wire”in the not too distant future.MAGA means so much to America.

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  10. No need for anyone to crow or eat crow. The IG report will settle a lot of this debate. Hold tight.

    Meanwhile, our President is under maximum fire and his Rasmussen approval is down to 45% again. All of this deliberate DOJ activity is not going on in a vacuum. This is the most serious of serious situations, and the nation’s biggest political scandal ever, conducted by a swamp that is the biggest in history. That good Americans are nervous is not on them.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      “No need for anyone to crow or eat crow.”

      Wrong.

      This internal Treeper debate has filled countless pages of postings and consumed FAR TOO MUCH of people’s time. It is a great blessing that SUNDANCE HAS SETTLED THIS DEBATE conclusively with this post.

      How big is this issue to Treepers? There are approx 2x’s as many posts here on this thread today vs. the daily open thread.

      We need to get this debate behind us. And it has been SETTLED.

      A lot of respected Treepers are coming forward to eat their crow…and in so doing signaling their part in this debate is over. I suggest others do the same.

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      • I’ve been around a long time. Many statements have been made prematurely, only to turn out differently.

        in the end, the results of this investigation will matter more than anything. Let’s see how things turn out before chest-thumping.

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        • Apollo says:

          Exactly. We are all hoping for the same thing here! The Scheme Team (v2.0) in handcuffs and under indictment.

          It hasn’t happened yet. It may! I hope it does soon! But it’s not yet reality. When it is, then things are “settled”. Not before.

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        • ForGodandCountry says:

          It’s not about chest-thumping. It’s about a divisive issue being settled. One can either accept the clear and irrefutable evidence Sundance has given….and so show respect for Sundance, his intelligence and hisacumen….or you cannot.

          Yes, it’s true results matter….but we are not there yet. THIS is about who Sessions is/is not, and the “not” people have been proven wrong.

          It’s time they let go of their doubts on this point.

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          • Very little has been decided. We have no idea about who has been appointed or about how aggressive against the main actors he will be. Peace …. we are on the same side about crushing the deep state … but all we know for certain is a tip-toe into resolving the matter.

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            • ForGodandCountry says:

              Peace, indeed!

              It has been “decided” that Sessions is NOT who the doubters have claimed he is. Definitive proof given.

              This post by Sundance, and my posts relative to THIS one point, are all I am speaking to.

              Yes, it is “very little” in the grand scheme of things, and yes we all are on the same side about crushing the deep state, but that is outside the specific point of Sundance’s post and my point here.

              Sessions is NOT who many have accused him of being. Debate OVER.

              And here, within CTH, that is a big thing indeed.

              As you say….let us have PEACE on this one issue! By all means.

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              • Until we know the intentions and determination of the new guy, then nothing is settled.

                What would you say if he turns out to be a Mueller clone?

                Upthread, I opined that it not being Mueller was a huge positive sign. But that is the only logical conclusion one can make at this point.

                Again, peace …. and allow dissension …. groupthink absolutely, positively suck and is dangerous.

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                • ForGodandCountry says:

                  Stop moving the goal posts.

                  This about is about AG Sessions, not who he has appointed, nor the longer-term outcomes. The #1 reason given by Session doubters has been that “he is doing nothing”.

                  Again, this post by Sundance obliterates that talking-point. Again, I underscore your call for PEACE. Let us have peace on the issue of AG Sessions. He is NOT who the doubters have claimed he is.

                  Let us move on to other more important debates and have peace re: AG Sessions.

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                • Apollo says:

                  What? It’s absolutely about the longer-term outcomes. What’s the point, otherwise?

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              • 4sure says:

                “Sessions is NOT who many have accused him of being. Debate OVER.”

                And just who made you the one to decide that the debate is OVER?

                It is not OVER until we see results. Nothing is ever over until one sees the final results. So, NO, it is NOT OVER!

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              • Rich says:

                FGAC- Go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Your efforts, while seeming to be in vain, have been shown to be well spent.

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      • Matthew LeBlanc says:

        Color me skeptical of a politician speaking and taking his words as action.

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    • convert says:

      I would just like to say that I find it interesting how the media focuses so much on that approval number? W and Obama had similar approval numbers–oh, occasionally both of them got around 50% maybe a tad higher, but usually more in line with Trump’s, and in fact, he has beaten both of them at times over the past year vs. the same time during their terms. The media only focuses on it when the President is someone they dislike; otherwise, they could care less what the American people think. So anyway, I wouldn’t worry too much about that number.

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  11. freddy says:

    This is what I like about reading here. A journalist and writer with a hunch is fine but a guy like SD lays down the facts in a coherent way then I can run with that. I’m a Sessions denier but this last piece is enough for me to get off thefence. Thank goodness it hurts up there. I’m going with… jeff is on the ball and the quest for justice from these snakes will be come punishment for the worst crimes I’ve ever seen in America. The rule of law must be retaken from the liberal crazies running rough shod on all of us. Hillary must be stopped and indicted on something so her legacy is what she actually is…. a hardcore political criminal far left progressive anti American trying to induce a coup de etat and laundering money with her charity….It’s time so I’m a cheerleader now……..

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    • mimbler says:

      I think there are reasoned positions to be for, against or on the fence. And I think we should respect those as all those holding a variety of opinions add to our better knowledge of what is happening.
      Eventually, we will be beyond opinion and face indisputable facts. We just aren’t there yet.

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      • Yes, we are still somewhat in the dark. (At this point everyone is guessing how aggressive the new guy will be in one of the biggest crises in American history.)

        Yet, we have learned one crucial fact. Gen. Sessions had three choices. 1) In house 2) Mueller, because so much of this is related to “Russia” 3) a second special counsel.

        That he opted against Mueller is one of the most encouraging signs ever. All treepers should rejoice.

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      • burnett044 says:

        mimbler…..best comment today

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      • cozette says:

        I wonder what possible value negative opiners offer to the war effort. Wittingly or unwittingly they sow doubt and hopelessness. This only helps the forces of EVIL aligned against us. To win we need to be filled with hope, optimism, love and a sense of unity. Please think about whether an OPINION you post adds or detracts to the spirit we need to win this war. Personally, whenever I start to doubt or despair I turn to God rather than my keyboard. Black pill dispensers and concern trollers are rightly slammed on the chans where the real special ops of Trumps/Gods army are working day and night to save humanity from the EVIL that threatens to engulf us completely.

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        • mimbler says:

          No offense, but I think that is nonsense.

          Have faith in your opinion. Read opposing views, and see if they have facts that modify your opinion or reinforce it.

          I don’t believe the treehouse is populated by snowflakes that can’t withstand an opinion contrary to their own.

          And conversely, bubble groupthink is what is destroying the dems. I think that mindset is far more dangerous.

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          • Apollo says:

            “bubble groupthink is what is destroying the dems. I think that mindset is far more dangerous.”

            VERY true and excellent point. We should not indulge in that here.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      I am sure Mr. Sessions has probably wanted to do something about the swamp for a long time; however, until PDJT came along he could not.
      How many thousands of other patriots have been in the same position, buried in the bureaucracy? Hunkered down with evidence squirreled away for an occasion just as this.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Respect. Take 1/2 the crow off your plate. It will go to others when it’s gone rotten and is far more difficult to swallow later on.

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    • amwick says:

      As he said in CA, the rule of law is on books, and its purpose is clear and just…Woot Woot…

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      • Rich says:

        CA “legislators”, who are nothing more than $2.00 whores, regularly and routinely write laws that thwart the written word of the constitution. It is what they do. Their novel interpretations of law are beyond moronic. The courts in CA and most of the judges are corrupt! Especially the Marxist/Leninists at the CA “Supreme Court”. That lot of human debris should be thrown out of a helicopter at around 1000 feet.

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  12. Andy says:

    Here’s one indication that using an IG is not the way to go:
    “Reps. Jerry Nadler of New York and Elijah Cummings of Maryland, slammed the Republican call for another special counsel Tuesday. “The Department’s Inspector General is fully capable of conducting an independent review.”

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  13. WesternPA says:

    What are the odds that plenty of MSM figures are indicted? It seems to me they were an accomplice in these crimes. One can only hope and pray.

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  14. tinkerthinker2 says:

    Brilliant! Fascinating!

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  15. Leapin says:

    Have some faith and pray for Trump and the nation. If Hillary were elected we would be well on our way toward a totalitarian Demosocialist nation.We have, at least, a brief reprieve.

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  16. keithinmissouri says:

    This thread demonstrates there are still a lot of people doubting Sessions’ motivations and/or competence. Here is a thought that occurred to me. To MAGA, is there anything more important to Trump than to defeat the Deep State cabal that attempted to take him and his family down? With all his effort on so many fronts, on what front would his most intense efforts be focused? Would he put his most vitally important eggs in a rickety basket (Sessions)?

    Over the last year, I have been continually and pleasantly surprised at how masterful Trump has been waging his MAGA war. I am from Missouri and therefore skeptical till I see the proof, but I am betting on Trump and therefore on Sessions.

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  17. Keebler ac says:

    One prosecutor. Meanwhile Mueller’s Special Counsel of Lunacy staffed by Clintonista lawyers keeps chugging away under Session’s nose.

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  18. LDave says:

    Even Mueller is not independent of the DOJ.

    Maybe Nunes et al just keep calling for a special prosecutor to keep this story in the headlines.

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  19. Fascinating analysis. In this scenario it would seem likely Rod Rosenstein would know about this DOJ Prosecutor. And yet nothing has leaked or been reported in the MSM. And no reports about this interview today. Even FOX missed Sessions point about the outside DOJ Prosecutor and its not featured on their website. So is Rosey a White Hat? The MSM conduct is also amazing. Clearly they do not want to report on FBI malfeasance as it does not advance the Trump Russia hoax. But if they were actually reporting on the FBI corruption and had satellite trucks at their houses, they would be giving their corrupt buddies a heads up. Instead, if some of the FBI agents are snitching, it does not bode well McCabe or Comey. They have been blind sided for a year! So Sessions has used the MSM bias against them. That is a nice 3D chess move. Another interesting tidbit is that the Comey book tour is 4/17/2018. Will the DOJ or IG drop any news around that date???

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    • jrparz says:

      Q is quoted as saying this way back in mid January…

      WHO IS TALKING?
      THINK BIG.
      THINK BIGGER.
      THINK BIGGEST.

      Obviously interpretation and context play a factor to some degree, for some felt it only pertained to Haiti – but I never thought so… and thought whoever was talking had to know an awful lot of EVERYTHING… and sometimes I thought maybe it was Rob Rosenstein. Who knows?

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    • Kristin says:

      Rosenstein has no choice really. He is the Asisstant AG and his name is also on a FISA application.

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      • cozette says:

        Rosenstein would sign a FISA renewal if it was brought to him if he was on the side of Trump and Sessions who have been operating a stealth sting operation with the ODNI. If he didnt, it would have tipped the Rats off prematurely. I am NOT saying this is factually what his motivation was. I AM saying that his signature on the FISA tells me nothing about his motivations. I find it odd so many think that it does. Perhaps they haven’t read the Art of War or the Prince like President Trump and his team have.

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  20. pocaMAGAhontas says:

    Im thinking you’re right. It will much more compelling to the American people if the case for illegal spying is presented in the context of why such desperate measures were taken. More than the winning the presidency, they were / are desperate
    to hide their own collusion and acts of treason.

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  21. albrevin says:

    If there is one thing of merit to what Sessions said it is a prosecutor “outside of Washington”….. nothing else matters. SC or not, IG, DJ policing itself, etc….. being outside of Washington is the very definition of FREEDOM.

    Whoever this person is, hope they are in a tiny office in Booneville MS or Moscow ID….. someone with some steel and a real butthole…. doesn’t even need to be that smart, just have some integrity… anybody with an ounce of common sense can connect the dots and build a case. Empanel a grand jury in anyplace outside of Washington or San Francisco and you will get indictments very quickly.

    Deliver all documents, drives, etc to this remote courier via a Harley Biker gang. Get it done.

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  22. amber says:

    Why isn’t the media apocalyptic over Session’s announcement like they were with Nunes’s memo. Where are the self-righteous tweets from Holder and Comey warning us about the danger to the Republic? It’s like everyone knows this is a nothinburger….Meh

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  23. amber says:

    Sessions is playing us. He appointed someone from “outside of Washington that spent MANY years in the DOJ’…that’s a retired swamper

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  24. How is this outside party investigating when it won’t have access to a Grand Jury, subpoena power or the ability to give immunity to witnesses?

    Those the weaknesses of the IG. He can’t do those things, and hence why Congress is calling for a Special Counsel WITH those powers.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      You do not comprehend.

      Read slowly.

      A DOJ prosecutor from outside DC (there are 93 Federal District Attorneys FYI).
      He/she has full DOJ powers. Grand Juries unlimited. Any jurisdiction of his/her choosing for the grand juries. Federal prosecution gets to pick.

      This person is as if he/she were seated right next to AG in Washington.
      Just brought in from out of town so there is no historical connection to corrupt FBI and DOJ persons.

      Now, re-read what Sundance laid out in his article.
      When you come up with your own ideas of what is or what isn’t, check with Sundance’s efforts. He’ll shine the light on your path to comprehension.

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    • blind no longer says:

      Didn’t the post from SD state the the IG, can charge individuals. I believe it does, but will check again.

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  25. RH says:

    390 plus days are already gone!

    Q = Has Session indicted / charged / jailed one criminal yet?
    A = NO

    Now congress is demanding for special prosecutor and Session says he will consider while Mueller
    and his gang causes great damage to our POTUS & his team.

    Q – Do I believe Session right now?
    A – = Hell No

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      I mentioned this earlier. Because of all the “Lock her up” chanting at the rallies, things had to cool down AND this is a huge case with perhaps hundreds of people involved in the BHO regime.

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      • lizzyp says:

        And any successful prosecutions will require AG and Co to overcome some MASSIVE cognitive dissonance. Slowly, slowly dripping little pieces to get them ingrained in public awareness is necessary.

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  26. 1- why do the key Republican players in congress continue to call for a special prosecutor?
    My takeaway is that Sessions feared leaks from Congress and wanted corrupt FBI officials to feel comfortable so he never informed Congress about his outside Prosecutor. A Special Counsel would start from the beginning and would take months to ramp up. The IG has 500 employees and could have combed thru the texts,emails,and phone calls for 6-9 months now. Some may have snitched and/or been wired. He knows where the evidence is and could hand off a prosecutable case immediately. He has served the role of investigator but needs to hand off his work to an actual Prosecutor who can enpanel a Grand Jury, file charges,indict, and convict. We go the SC route if you already have strong cases and strong evidence already???

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  27. Paul says:

    You know Sessions nickname when he was a prosecutor in Alabama was “the silent assassin”!

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      “The Silent Executioner”

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      • yo4967 says:

        I’ve watched Jefferson Sessions for many years. Ever since I watched him hold hands with Congressman John Lewis across that Selma bridge in class as 6yr old child. It was played on a projector in B&W. I have watched his career to where he resides today. .Imagine the surprise when I saw him walk out w/Donald J.at a rally, and then have Lewis call him racist. The phrase “silent assassin” is so apropos (Haha) and I have to laugh because it describes him to a “T

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  28. mg says:

    Have you died?

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  29. DSP2 says:

    What is Sessions talking about “challenge”? There are so many laws on the books now, he needs to talk about ENFORCEMENT!!! Arrest this mayor and be done with it. Let the leftist anti American progs challenge it.

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    • Rich says:

      I often wonder why these people (the idiot mayot from Oakland) was not arrested using existing law. Why does there need to be a new judgement in order to enforce existing law?

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  30. d2i says:

    beach lover posted this comment on page one “I have been questioning this as well. In fact, Congressman Ratcliff (one of the 4 members that was granted access to the FISA documents used for the “memos”) was just now (9:20 AM) on FNC still saying the need a SP to be able to look into the illegalities. Now, if they saw Sessions comments yesterday, why are they still insisting this to happen? Do they not think/know what this ‘investigator” is capable of? i.e. grand jury? Seems to me, that is the ultimate goal here.. to get these people prosecuted. Why is it not being portrayed as the big news that it is? Why are they still on TV so publicly calling for a SP?”
    ______________________
    I’m going to take a stab at answering this question.

    You’ll recall Gowdy stating in the interview w/Goodlatte sundance posted Tuesday that there are something like ’24’ individuals located in other agencies and/or who are no longer employed by the Fed who the DOJ’s IG cannot lawfully interview/interrogate. I think there are more than 24, a lot more. I’ll address this number in a minute.

    Over the course of the last 14 months, the primary focus of our attention regarding this conspiracy has been trained like lasers on the FBI/DOJ. But as I stated in another comment, this conspiracy was seeded by Brennan. He headed the CIA. His compatriot was Clapper. He was the Director of National Intelligence, meaning he oversaw the entirety of the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

    Then take into account Cody Shearer and Vicious Sid’s compromising folks over at State. Nunes, as we all know, is now investigating that departments helpful hand in feeding the conspiracy.

    Finally you have the former Amb to the UN, Samantha Powers, and the Dir of the National Security Council, Susan Rice, and her side kick Ben Rhodes not to mention a plethora of others who worked for Rice engaged in feeding this conspiracy.

    That’s the FBI, DOJ, CIA, DNI, National Security Council and the State Department and that’s what we know of. That’s 6 government agencies involved in feeding this conspiracy against a political opponent then a President elect and finally the President of the United States.

    You’ll notice, I’m sure, that I did not include the White House leadership but we all know from Rice’s January 20th email, whether memorializing or covering her rump email, implicating Obama and his inner circle. There will be much, much more to come out here, I’m confident.

    So, if we have six agencies that we are aware of, as well as the WH, well that’s a lot of people who are targets of this massive investigation. I’d double maybe even triple Gowdy’s 24 who are part of this conspiracy.

    Massive is the right word to use when describing the reach of this conspiracy. Gowdy, Goodlatte, Gaetz and the rest of those who signed onto the letter to appoint a second special counsel knows how big this is and they know the DOJ will become consumed by it if it remains in house. BUT it MUST remain in house until the DOJ/FBI/IG complete their work b/c it is this work that will serve as the solid foundation by which the larger multi-agency investigation will rely upon.

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    • AmericaFirst says:

      Some very good reminders, it makes me feel a little better thinking that justice might be minimized against even the 5-6 that Sundance mentioned were probably cooperating.

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  31. ForGodandCountry says:

    To doubt Sessions now is to doubt Sundance himself….even after hard, solid evidence has been given….and this following proof after proof.

    It is pathetically small and sad. In fact, it is evidence of pure stubbornness and ignorance, if not outright neurosis.

    My great respects to all who have come forward to lay down your doubts in this great Treeper debate, and now join the rest of us in our positive anticipations of what is coming. Terrific posters like fleporeblog, among others, who just posted:

    “I was one of the Treeper’s that was really worried about our AG. I owe Jeff Sessions a big apology.”

    Crow is best eaten when hot and fresh, and begets the respect and admiration of others. Eating it cold….well past it’s due date….garners nothing but well deserved contempt.

    Today, the crow is hot and fresh….clear and irrefutable evidence that doubts and suspicions about AG Sessions were flat out wrong. Here, then, is a chance to earn respect and honor for yourself…as fle and others are doing.

    Reaching for the crow, after it’s gone cold, later will get you nothing but well deserved contempt.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Btw, it deserves mention here that there are a lot of people posting on this board who are just flat out stupid and ill-informed. I suppose that’s not entirely their fault…not all of us have had the benefit of exceedingly good education, but…as they say….the stupid burns and is very taxing to the overall discussion. I suppose it cannot be avoided. Would be awesome to create 2 discussion boards….one for proven posters who can do things like admit when they are wrong and accept what Sundance tells us, and one for everyone else.

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      • ForGodandCountry says:

        One last comment….please take note of who is not accepting the clear and irrefutable evidence Sundance has laid out. Some here are nothing but trolls…paid Soros agents to so doubt and discord. We’ve long discussed their arrival here. Take note of who these people are. Today is a day of exposure for such.

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        • Paintingjan says:

          They DO kind of jump out at you, don’t they. I wish there was an “ignore” feature, or a way to block the blockheads. But scrolling by works just as well, I guess. Yes, I’m rambling…need coffee….#WINNING

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      • rf121 says:

        I agree. One for the elitist snobs who think they are better than everyone else and are in full agreement with each other. And one for us ignorant peons who can have some full throated discussion and disagreement.

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        • rsmith1776 says:

          I had to read yours twice, rf121.

          That’s a compliment. (-:

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        • ForGodandCountry says:

          Like I said….

          one for proven posters who can do things like admit when they are wrong and accept what Sundance tells us, and one for everyone else.

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          • Rich says:

            Many folks have material problems with reading comprehension. That explains a great deal of the silly posts. They comment before they even read through Sundance posts.
            A problem in our society that will take a long time to fix.

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            • ForGodandCountry says:

              Agreed. Sometimes one wonders if they read anything at all before commenting…much less if they can comprehend what they are reading.

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          • Apollo says:

            Sundance is a smart, observant guy, but he doesn’t **create reality** through simply saying something. He can’t put Hillary in jail or bring Obama to justice or wipe the smirk off Comey’s face simply by typing the words. (Much though we might wish he could!)

            We love that there’s a prosecutor assigned to this. Everyone on at the Treehouse is united on that! But there are a million steps in between that and effective justice actually being achieved. The Deep State will resist-resist-resist vigorously in every dirty, low-down way they can and some ways they haven’t even thought of yet, but will soon invent in order to protect their precious Hillary and O at all costs.

            It is not the time to sit back on our heels and say “Mission Accomplished”–even if you are ready to do that, which is your right if you so choose, it’s not helpful or reasonable to attack (over and over) those who think there is lots of work left to do and many hurdles to pass before this is over.

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      • Stranded in CA says:

        We also need a board devoted to those lacking one bit of humility. You get that board all to yourself.

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      • 4sure says:

        Do you know how ignorant and insulting that post was?

        Obviously not.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “Reaching for the crow, after it’s gone cold, later will get you nothing but well deserved contempt.”

      The only point about them eating “old crow” is that it has already started to rot. so they are better off eating fresh…

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  32. inquisitorLost says:

    ‘The DOJ Inspector General (Michael Horowitz) has an obligation to notify his superiors when he/she discovers illegal activity, or conduct that is likely unlawful, while conducting an internal investigation…… ……This is the same reason why IG Horowitz had to inform Special Counsel Robert Mueller in July of 2017 of the potentially unlawful conduct of members on his team (Lisa Page and Peter Strzok).’

    Wouldn’t it be up to Rosenstein to inform Mueller since Mueller is not Horowitz’s superior? (small detail but I’m not following the logic).

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      I would assume that was done as it was to box Muleface in–he gets the report, but not from his “boss,” so what does he do? We don’t really know, except for demoting/transferring Strzok, but there’s probably more that will tell an informed investigator a whole lot about whether Muleface is honest or another seditious conspirator.

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  33. rsmith1776 says:

    A shorter message has gone into the néant of WordPress so here I am with a longer one.

    Like I said in the past, there is no “competition” here – among serious treepers – we all hope for the best. I agreed a lot with Howie’s doubts about Sessions, but even I disliked a little the fact that he was writing at some point 100 Sessions-doubting posts per thread. One (or three) should have been be enough.

    . . . Sundance had fantastic researching acumen (far greater than mine) and predictive powers, so his optimism gives me and other honest doubters hope.

    At the same time, those of us who (still!) express doubt are not ill-intended, nervous Nellies or professional pessimists. We appreciate Sundance’s analyses yet so far the facts don’t seem to bear certitude in *either* direction.

    For one thing, would this glorified stealth operation be in place, as stealthy as possible, SOME leaking would have occurred. Or ONE person under suspicion/investigation/interrogation would have gone public. Or their lawyer. Or some media minion.

    Also, it is hard to argue with the fact that on Team Mueller lots of aggression happened, happens and will happen, while on Team Truth we are supposed not only to be patient, but to also forget that in REAL TIME the (SLOW anyway) processes, which need to happen, in order for the guilty to pay take so long. So long that the fact they didn’t even start yet IS disheartening, per the information we have now.

    It’s all good and dandy to go gung-ho on 2020 and all, but we should also not forget that in politics one week is an eternity, forget about 2 1/2 years. That could work for us or against us. There is also a possibility that the swamp-cleaning process, if indeed started (which, sorry, I still doubt), will be mired in so many legalese obstacles that all the guilty will go free because (God forbid, but it IS possible) a Democrat administration will simply brazenly stop/reverse EVERYTHING, with shameless disregard of the law. All the talk about integrity and honor will be worth nothing at that point.

    . . .If indeed things are as Sundance and us all hope to be, I will be incredibly happy to apologize to y’all and praise A. G. Sessions with abject remorse.

    As of now, I am not certain he is an incompetent weakling. Neither do I see enough of substance to suggest that the tick-tock, the boom, the avalanche of indictments etc. may be coming.

    Let’s all hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

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    • mimbler says:

      As a previous poster had noted, after watergate people were actually in prison after a fairly short period of time.
      So this lengthy period of time were there is no action apparent to the public is -not- a normal aspect of this kind of political prosecution.

      Doesn’t mean it isn’t happening that way this time, but it casts doubts in my mind.

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        Watergate was a swamp/deep state set up and involved a purposely narrow, sequestered group of sacrificial WH and CIA personnel. There’s no comparison. Imagine if, instead of falling on their swords, the Watergate “plumbers” had ratted on their CIA superiors and handlers, including Poppy Boosh; so Jaworski got another 100 investigators/attorneys to work on doing then, what we’re trying to do now–cleaning out a huge termite network working under and inside our government. Nixon might still have resigned, but the rest of it mightn’t have been completed until the end of the Carter admin.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      “As of now, I am not certain he is an incompetent weakling.”

      For some, nothing short of Hillary in jail will prove otherwise….nevermind all the evidence and proofs AG Sessions is anything BUT either incompetent or a weakling. And, as you point out, even the most diligent efforts of his here (ie putting Hillary in jail) could fall short, for a host of reasons outside his control.

      The problem is AG Sessions doubters are placing an incredibly high bar for him to pass over in order for them to give him the respect he deserves, and….here on THIS blog…to Sundance himself.

      To doubt Sessions now is to doubt Sundance himself, which is another way of saying whomever doubts Sundance is telling the rest of us they know more than he does.

      Which is both humorous and irritating.

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      • Apollo says:

        I’m just curious: what do you say to PDJT when he himself expresses frustration with Jeff Sessions, in terms much more forceful than I’ve ever seen anyone type on the Treehouse (even including a rather pointed nickname, “Mr. Magoo”?)

        Would you berate him for “doubting Sundance himself”?

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “the swamp-cleaning process, if indeed started (which, sorry, I still doubt), will be mired in so many legalese obstacles”

      I posted earlier that there are so many people involved they will be fighting to cooperate to get the best “deal” because leftists despise taking personal responsibility.

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      • rsmith1776 says:

        “Deplorable_Infidel”, thank you for offering a good counter-argument. That’s all I’m asking, a lively debate in which arguments are offered and countered, without infantile inquisitors offering unasked for excommunications. I was never a fan of Maoist “Do Not Question The Leader” mind-numbing opportunism, much as I respect our quasi-leader – the brilliant Sundance.

        For the record, I’ve been participating in TCTH since 2012. If Soros paid me: 1) I am a billionaire 2) I Want My Cheque Now !!!

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        • ForGodandCountry says:

          Actually, all you are asking for is to be allowed to keep spewing your doubts about Sessions in spite of clear evidence that your doubts are misplaced and incorrect. You want to be allowed to keep refuting Sundance in spite of overwhelming evidence you are wrong. The only people being “infantile” are people like you who refuse to accept evidence that directly contradicts your argument.

          You say you have great respect for Sundance. You have a funny way of showing it. And when posters like fleporeblog come out and admit they were wrong and their opinions are now changed, as he did upthread, people should take notice.

          Apparently, you aren’t one of those posters. And given your time here at CTH, that says a lot about you.

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          • rsmith1776 says:

            Sundance can speak for himself quite well. I have a much longer history with him than you do.

            If you believe he is grateful for your jihadist advocacy you are mistaken.

            It is a childish mistake to conflate respect with blind, absolute agreement.

            Other than that, grow up. You make a sorry spectacle of yourself.

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            • ForGodandCountry says:

              Sorry, I don’t take advice from pots who call kettles black. I know I am a kettle. The only ones making jihad on this board are those who refuse to take Sundance’s evidence to heart and call those who do as having “blind, absolute agreement”.

              This is not about “results”, or outcomes, or bad decisions. This is about WHO Jeff Sessions is. He is NOT a “black hat”, he is NOT idle, he is NOT refusing to take action, he is NOT “doing nothing”, he is NOT working against PDJT, etc, etc.

              The only sorry spectacle on this board are those who refuse to accept Sundance’s evidence and argument that AG Sessions is NOT who they persist in claiming their fears and doubts over his identity.

              Oh yeah, and this is NOT about strawman arguments that doubters “don’t want the same thing(s) as the believers”. No one has every made that argument, so don’t try that baloney either.

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    • gda says:

      Well, it’s natural to have doubts given the enormity of this “matter” and the fact that it involves “untouchables”. And it’s understandable that impatience sometimes overcomes rational thought.

      But each time my mind wanders to negative thoughts “I simply remember my favorite things”:
      – those fabulous five who are singing like songbirds in what can ONLY BE investigative interviews
      – those White Hat leaks/moves each time Mueller makes a move
      – Sundance’s brilliant analysis
      – PDJT’s chapter on “Revenge”.

      “And then I don’t feel so bad”.

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  34. burnett044 says:

    How very sad it is to see folks so set in their thinking that they can not even listen to an open debate….that call others on this board stupid…..and other fowl names….oh ye self righteous..so sad

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      It has nothing to do with listening to open debate. It has everything to do with the debate being settled. Sessions is not who people have accused him of being. Period. End.

      Some people are intelligent enough to see that. Others are not.

      Calling someone stupid, when they are…in fact…stupid…is not an insult. It’s an observation of fact.

      But then, stupid people can’t grasp that concept and see it as “name calling”.,,,just as they are unable to accept what Sundance is telling us and…in so doing…are signaling to the board that they think they are more intelligence and better informed that he is.

      Which is stupid, personified.

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  35. Kristin says:

    John K Evans:….” Nunes and crew continue to pressure Sessions with calls for a Special Counsel…”.
    Please give me one instance where Rep. Devin Nunes is calling for a SC. Thank you.

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  36. Impossible says:

    Corruption was, is, and always will be the greatest threat to equality and the rule of law in our nation. If you are a socio-political junkie (I don’t necessarily recommend the endeavor) you will have seen this pattern unfold over the last fifty years: by the 1960s we had a stable, fair, proud, indomitable nation with pockets of corruption intertwined within a patriotic, nationalist (in the most positive sense) country — a county that could vanquish an enemy, then actively work to bring about their renewed strength and pride (see Germany/Japan, etc).; the progressives sought to expunge (pockets of) injustice in the system, it seemed to be for the greater good, but their aims were duplicitous — power and exploitation were the summation and purpose of their intents. As the new force grew, behold! Here was a new thing. The rule of law and equality meant nothing (despite false assertions) power, and perverse pleasures of exploration meant everything. So, corruption was not an perverse exception to this “new politic” it was their modus opperandi. Corruption is the oil that lubricates the machine. What Sundance lays out here is the Rubicon; we cross the river and survive as a nation (for a time), or we recede for all time… we edge back to the rule of law, or we are once again tossed into the misery of the bulk of human history. Rulers and slaves; the ravenous and the struggling. I have lived amongst the “progressive” (all words that describe the left are deceptions in themselves) and have enjoyed a drink or two at their table, but l learned at an early age not to partake of there miserable outlook on life: jealousy, envy, cynicism. Treepers bring joy daily! Carry on….

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      2Corinthians 7:16 I rejoice therefore that I have confidence in you in all things.

      1Thesalonians 5:11 ¶ Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
      12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
      13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
      14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
      15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
      16 ¶ Rejoice evermore.
      17 Pray without ceasing.
      18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
      19 Quench not the Spirit.
      20 Despise not prophesyings.
      21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
      22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
      23 ¶ And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
      24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
      25 Brethren, pray for us.

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  37. nm says:

    All non sense and attempts to delay and obfuscate at every turn…keep stallllling for as long as they can, right through the midterms…..They will not prosecute anyone, they could indict many right now with the proof they have assembled….why no grand jury seated already, should have been done months ago….They are all protecting each other and know if not for Mueller the bogus, they would all be fired as stated above…

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  38. Gary Ingle says:

    Ok that explains a lot of things. The IG will released his report and DOJ will then pull the already cocked trigger aimed at former corupt FBI/DOJ officials. Can’t wait to see these weasel (Comey, Clapper, evil O, rotten Clinton and the likes) appear before a grand jury and lawyer their way out while being smeared for their remaining days on earth. Rosenstein should fire Mueller immediately after IG report release and indict him as well…

    MAGA

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  39. nm says:

    They could release the IG report now, but keep stalling…they won’t indict anyone high up….most will walk…and the American people will realize they were played here…..

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  40. James F says:

    Is it possible that some of those asking for a second counsel are concerned that they, or their deep state buddies, might be under investigation already but they can’t be certain because this parallel investigation is actually leak-proof unlike the proposed special counsel would be?

    They would probably rather have this parallel investigation take place in the form of a leaky special counsel.

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  41. JohnBadger says:

    This is in response to the several belligerent and chest thumping posts by “ForGodandCountry” above. I’m putting it at the end of the thread so more readers might see it.

    You demonstrate thinking very much like a LIBERAL:

    – Only my opinion matters and all others are to be ridiculed
    – If you disagree with me you are stupid or a troll
    – Shame anyone who disagrees into silence through belligerence and name calling

    This behavior is beneath the dignity of this outstanding discussion board. Many who read and post here are clearly growing tired of it and many others have simply quit posting because of it. YOU are the one who owes many posters apologies.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      Small minds will see it as such and have/will create the same strawman arguments you make here.

      But this is not about “chest thumping”. It’s about establishing PEACE on this board, specifically about WHO Jeff Sessions is…and in particular who he is NOT.

      As Sundance has irrefutably proven (and this many times over now), AG Sessions is NOT a “black hat”, nor has he been idle, nor is he refusing to take things seriously, nor is he working against PDJT, nor any of the host of other accusations people on this board have long been arguing about him.

      Moreover, these same doubters are now moving the goal posts of their argument, insisting….now…that “only when _________ (insert goal-post) happens” they will finally believe what Sundance has been telling them about AG Sessions all along.

      My posts today are very singular and specific on this one thing and this one thing only:

      AG Sessions is NOT the man the doubters have accused him of being. Period. End.

      It is NOT about shutting down debate over what may happen in the future, nor about concerns over who he may have appointed, nor about making a bad decision, etc. It is SOLELY about who AG Sessions is!

      Let us have PEACE on this board over who AG Sessions is. He IS a “white hat”. He is working diligently WITH PDJT. He IS doing all he can to bring down the deep state.

      Lastly, those who dishonor this board and is “beneath” it’s dignity are those who REFUSE, for whatever reason, to accept what Sundance has proven over and over again on this ONE point. They refuse to accept clear evidence, they refuse to have faith, they refuse to let go, and they refuse to allow peace on this one topic. They deserve shame, they deserve ridicule, and “Many who read and post here are clearly growing tired of it and many others have simply quit posting because of it.”

      Again, let us have PEACE on WHO Jeff Sessions is. This, and this alone, is the purpose of Sundance’s post today, and my comments regarding it.

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  42. tonyE says:

    I sure hope that sometime in 2023, President Donald Trump puts Jeff Sessions in the SCOTUS.

    I like the man, while everybody around him is jumping this way and that way he’s building the cases. I’m not really surprised he “recused” himself, it took him out of the spot light and able to do his job in the background. The President is the Rock Star, the AG should be the sound man.

    Also, while I disagree on his call for action on marijuana, I agree with his point: Federal and State laws can not be in direct conflict so the US Congress must do something to resolve it. It’s not the job of the AG to choose which laws to pursue, he must pursue ALL laws. Otherwise, he must resign. Hopefully the US Congress will move to fix this.

    Besides, I love his accent. You don’t hear real accents any more, the media has homogeneized our language into American Network English.

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  43. In previous crowdsourcing efforts, I’ve swam upstream against the flow of groupthink. It’s not fun, even after final results vindicated my stance.

    Example 1 – previous to CTH, there was the Duke Lacrosse case. Groupthink concluded that the main detective acted upon his own to frame the Lacrosse guys because of his previous animus against Duke students. I, otoh, argued that no detective (even a devious one) would not proceed unless there was a basis, no matter how weak, to do so. I was lonely and derided.
    As it turned out, there was a rookie rapenurse who indeed turned out to be the source for the detectives. Despite the consensus of Duke U security and Durham PD that the stripper was lying on the night in question, she went to bat for her. Moreover, long after the lead detective quit the case, the nurse ramped up her lies to support Nifong. But in the meantime, the well-meaning consensus was flat out batty.

    Example 2 – The Jessica Chambers research was begun with the noblest of intentions and charity, plus fantastic initial research here. Then it degenerated into groupthink. Jessica was declared an angel, even though the evidence seemed to suggest otherwise. The trial proved that she was anything but an angel — instead, a druggie who drove around her gangbanging killer in order to make money and score drugs from him.

    So stop beating up on those who have reservations, OK. This scandal has a L-O-N-G way to go before anyone can claim victory.

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

      This is not about end results. This is about WHO Jeff Sessions is. As Sundance has conclusively proven, he is NOT who doubters have claimed he is.

      He is NOT a “black hat”. He has NOT been idle. He has NOT refused to take things seriously. He is NOT working against PDJT.

      This is NOT about what will happen. This debate is about WHO Jeff Sessions is.

      Stop moving the goal posts and let us have peace on CTH about who the AG is.

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  44. burnett044 says:

    There were two folks that were on here…Howie and Deb….each on opposite sides of the Session debate…both very nice people…I was able to listen to them both and respect their views..even tho I did not always agree…they both had a great sense of humor about it and was able to take kidding about it…I really miss them both….I think I understand why they both took a break from CTH…same reason I feel I need to……

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    • rsmith1776 says:

      Please don’t.

      I agree with you.

      I actually had a run-in with Deb yet we continued respecting each other. We (thank God) are not in Mao’s China, where any dissenting (even possibly erroneous) thought should be punished with reeducation camps and humiliation.

      Howie . . . at the beginning I thought his beating on Sessions was silly, then as things evolved I found it at least intriguing and not totally unjustified, the only thing I continued to disagree with was that he was offering an overcertain Sessions-bashing 50 times per thread.

      We DO have to entertain at least the hope that things move into the right direction and Sundance does a terrific job at arguing that position.

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    • In my humble opinion, the key to the Sessions argument is as follows….

      As our elected representatives, members of congress are supposed to be our eyes and ears. However, what if there are members of congress implicated in the DOJ leak investigation? Does anyone really think the DOJ would keep Congress informed of investigative details when dipSchiff co-chairs the House Intel committee? Once investigators find that one lawmaker is a filthy corrupt leaker, then all members will have to be treated the same.

      This is why we know so little about current DOJ investigations.

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  45. Donzo says:

    The AG has kept this ghost presecutor under wraps for awhile, so why come out now, so to speak? Well that seems obvious: the hammer is about to fall.

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  46. Jenni says:

    SESSIONS (IMO for the past year; never a doubt there will be prosecutions)
    Sessions has a once in a Lifetime Opportunity to be the Center of Saving the Constitution and the United States and become a Hero far into the future. This Moment is a Dream Moment for any AG who trained hard for Justice their entire life and now has the Opportunity of a lifetime.

    OR

    Since the Mountain of Evidence (Paper Trail) is everywhere for the world to see; you have to be Stupid to take a path of Aiding and Abetting; Treason, Sedition, Subversion, Espionage, Racketeering, Perjury and forever being known as the AG who intentionally let the Globalist/Elitist for Greed/Power destroy the Constitution and the United States and Win this Civil War…

    INSURANCE POLICY; (If Sessions took the wrong path)
    P/Trump knows that his unbeatable Poker hand of using the Criminal Code to Win this Civil War, save the Constitution and the United States. P/Trump has the power of the Constitution to fire anyone in the DOJ/FBI and make sure there is an investigation that is done according to investigative policies and procedures.

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    • Paul says:

      AGREED…You have to be more than Stupid! Comey was stupid and weak and became J. Edgar Hoover…unbelievable what Power/Greed has on the highest Justice Department on this planet.

      Yes…I always felt sure there will be prosecutions the Moment P/Trump was elected…there is too much evidence seen by everyone….because they were sloppy….they thought Hillary would be President.
      INSURANCE POLICY WILL BE USED BY P/TRUMP IF NEEDED…

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  47. amber says:

    Judge Napolitano says Sessions can’t appoint a second Special Council due to his recusal so it will fall on his boss Rosenstein. Rosenstein is implicated in the FISA abuse and so he won’t appoint a SC to investigate himself. IMO this explains why Sessions opted for this route. When I see someone like Congressman Ratcliffe STILL calling for a second Special Counsel my antennas go up….

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  48. G. Combs says:

    As far as the Press is concerned, they maybe in a world of hurt if they took payment to print anti-Trump propaganda or colluded with the likes of Fusion GPS to slander or libel Candidate Trump.

    Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses, Seventh Ed May 2007

    This sucker is 344 pages. I read through page 182.

    These are the tidbits I found that may be of interest. ESPECIALLY the stuff at the bottom of the comment dealing with communication, HIDING payments and Foreign interference…. CALLING MR STEELE!

    “[…]2. Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law.
    18 U.S.C. § 242
    Section 242, also enacted as a post-Civil War statute, makes it unlawful for anyone acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive a person of any right, privilege, or immunity secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. Violations are one-year misdemeanors unless bodily injury occurs, in which case the penalty is ten years, unless death results, in which case the penalty is imprisonment for any term of years or for life, or a sentence of death.

    Prosecutions under Section 242 need not show the existence of a conspiracy. However, the defendants must have acted illegally “under color of law,” i.e., the case must involve a public scheme, as discussed above. This element does not require that the defendant be a de jure officer or a government official; it is sufficient if he or she jointly acted with state agents in committing the offense…. 😈

    12. Campaign Dirty Tricks
    Two federal statutes, both of which are part of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), specifically address campaign tactics and practices: 2 U.S.C. §§ 441d and 441h. As is the case with all other FECA provisions, violations of these two statutes are subject to both civil and criminal penalties, 2 U.S.C. §§ 437g(a) and 437g(d) respectively….

    (a) Election communications and solicitations.
    2 U.S.C. § 441d
    Section 441d provides that whenever a person or political committee makes certain types of election-related disbursements, an expenditure for the purpose of financing a public communication advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified federal candidate, or a solicitation for the purpose of influencing the election of a federal candidate, the communication must contain an attribution clause identifying the candidate, committee, or person who authorized and/or paid for the communication. The content of the attribution, as well as its size and location in the advertisement are described in the statute

    This Section has potential application to unattributed false, inflammatory, or scurrilous campaign literature that calls for the election or defeat of a federal candidate.….

    (c) Interference in election by employees of federal
    state, or territorial governments: 18 U.S.C. § 595 Section 595 was enacted as part of the original 1939 Hatch Act. The statute prohibits any public officer or employee, in connection with an activity financed wholly or in part by the United States, from using his or her official authority to interfere with or affect the nomination or election of a candidate for federal office. This statute is aimed at the misuse of official authority…. Violations are one-year misdemeanors.

    2. Basic Statutory Definitions….

    “contribution” – in general, any gift, loan, or anything else having pecuniary value that is made for the purpose of influencing the nomination or election of a federal candidate. § 431(8).

    • “expenditure” – in general, any purchase, payment, or anything else having pecuniary value that is made for the purpose of influencing the nomination or election of a federal candidate. § 431(9). In the context of public communications, the definition has been judicially limited to disbursements for communications that contain “magic words of express advocacy,” such as “elect,” “defeat,” or “vote for,” or that otherwise clearly call for elective action for or against a clearly identified federal candidate.

    In addition, as amended by BCRA, FECA also contains two broad definitions that extend the Act’s coverage to reach previously unregulated political communications and activities. These definitions are:

    • “Electioneering communication” – a public communication made through the media within certain periods before a federal election that “refers to” a clearly identified federal candidate and, in the case of a candidate for the United States House or Senate, is targeted to the relevant electorate. 2 U.S.C.

    § 434(f)(3). Because these communications do not contain words of “express advocacy,” they are generally not “expenditures,” unless, as discussed below, a provision of the Act expressly deems them such. However, if they exceed $10,000 in a calendar year, they must be reported. § 434(f)(4).

    • “federal election activity” – activity by state or local political party committees that simultaneously benefits federal and nonfederal candidates, such as get-out-the-vote and voter registration drives.

    § 431(20). As discussed below, these activities can no longer be paid for with “soft money,” but must be paid for with funds raised in compliance with the Act. 2 U.S.C. § 441i.

    With two exceptions relating to electioneering communications, the noun describing the payment for these newly covered election-related activities is “disbursement” – not “expenditure” or “contribution.” This distinction is critical. As will be discussed below, conduct involving “disbursements” is not covered by FECA’s criminal penalties…..

    AND HERE IS THE I GOTCHA!!!

    “coordinated expenditure” – an expenditure that is made “in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the made “in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of” a federal candidate or an agent of a federal candidate. Such an expenditure is deemed to be a “contribution” to the candidate – and, as such, subject to the Act’s limits and prohibitions. 2 U.S.C. § 441a(a)(7)(B)(i).

    (a) If the electioneering communication is coordinated with a federal candidate or an agent of the candidate, the costs of the communication are deemed to be a “contribution” to the candidate – and thus subject to the Act’s limits – as well as an “expenditure” by the candidate. 2 U.S.C. § 441a(a)(7)(C).

    (b) If the electioneering communication is made by a corporation or union, it is deemed to be an “expenditure” – and thus prohibited. 2 U.S.C. §§ 441b(b)(2), 441b(C).

    Thus, a coordinated expenditure is deemed a “contribution” that is subject to the Act’s limits and prohibitions, and an electioneering communication made by a corporation or union is deemed an “expenditure” that is prohibited by the Act…..”

    Ban on disguised and cash contributions
    [ERRRRrrrr isn’t this what was done using Perkins Coie???]
    To prevent circumvention of the Act’s limits and prohibitions, and to ensure accurate public disclosure of all significant campaign data, contributions may not be laundered through conduits to conceal the true source of the funds. 2 U.S.C. § 441f. In addition, cash contributions over $100 to a federal candidate’s campaign are prohibited. 2 U.S.C. § 441g….

    “BCRA retained the prohibitions of Section 441e against contributions made by or accepted from foreign nationals in connection with any United States election, and expanded the statute to prohibit four additional types of political activity by foreign nationals: expenditures, independent expenditures, contributions to any political party, and electioneering communications.…..

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  49. Kevo says:

    Great work Sundance! But didn’t Comey, Yates, Boente, McCabe and Rosenstein sign the initial or renewal of the FISA warrants on Carter Page? Doesn’t that implicate AAG Rosenstein? Didn’t Rosenstein also perpetrate a FRAUD on the FISA Court along with the others? Why does he get a free pass?

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    • gda says:

      I’ve wondered the same myself. It sort of sticks out there as THE big WTF if indeed RR is a White/Grey hat. Some possible explanations:

      – Rosenstein was unable or not qualified to question the evidence that the head of the FBI (Comey, and later McCabe) was putting before him in that warrant. His was just a signature, not really a confirmation that the “evidence” presented by the FBI was credible. How, after all, could he deign to question the head of the FBI? Or some such scenario……
      – Rosenstein was enlisted to entrap the Black Hats, and needed to sign in order to lull them into incriminating/exposing themselves.

      Can’t say either scenario fills me with confidence, and I do not recall Sundance’s take on the White/Grey/Black Hattedness of RR.

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    • disgustedwithjulison says:

      I thought I remembered that Rosenstein signed his FISA warrant well into Trump’s Presidency and that some speculate it was intentionally done to 1) expose corrupt FISA judges, 2) Leakers, and 3) other FBI black hats by continuing with a ‘business as usual’ stance during the FISA investigation. Maybe I am wrong. I am not sure if he is clean or not on this deal as he is sort of an enigma.

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  50. pyromancer76 says:

    Maybe this how we get rid of our communist/propaganda press – through laws that are already on the books. Thank you, Gail, for such diligence.,

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