Tuesday February 20th – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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156 Responses to Tuesday February 20th – Open Thread

  1. phoenixRising says:

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  2. 4beagles says:

    love you Folks,

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  3. Garrison Hall says:

    John Lee Hooker perfectly captures one of those cold, solitary moments most people would rather forget.

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    • maiingankwe says:

      Garrison Hall,
      Now that’s what I’m talking about! It was my Dad who introduced me to 🎶 Johnny Lee Hooker’s music 🎶. I can’t remember how old I was, but I think I was a very old teen. Man, those are some good memories coming back, so thank you, thank you for that. It’s kinda funny too, because I couldn’t wait to see what you had for us this evening. You so rock!
      Have a fantastic evening,

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    • 🍺Gunny says:

      Thank you…reminds me of…well reminds me of falling in love with someone. When you fall in love with someone, you in your own mind and spirit give them your heart. Give them your heart to hold and take care of…
      Sometimes, not always to everyone…but sometimes..they start to play with your heart..and you feel the little hurts…and you forgive.
      Sometimes they drop your heart…and mostly you still allow them to have your heart…your love…you give them a chance….

      Then…one day…they crush your heart…crush it completely…the pain…the pain is actually physical. You feel you will never recover. Your soul, your spirit is crushed along with your heart. Some people do not survive…sad to say.

      But if you survive you take your heart back..almost destroyed..you think you will never recover. The world seems to end.

      After time you start to repair your heart…little by little…little by little. And after a while, you feel better and continue on with your life…but…but…you feel something is missing…there is still a hole in your heart that you may never ever get back.

      And that hole is Trust.

      Your Trust in love is gone. That hole is there..in your heart..You never ever, ever, want to feel that pain again. Never. How can you ever trust again?

      My words are leaving me….that is why…I look to the words of authors, artists, and poets. . Authors, artists and poets, who experienced tragedy in love…they have taught me what it means to speak properly, and identify people who do not.

      I might have to wait, I’ll never give up
      I guess it’s half timing, and the other half’s luck
      Wherever you are, whenever it’s right
      You’ll come out of nowhere and into my life

      Michael Bublé

      John Lee Hookers song…reminded me all of this…and sometimes you must again take that leapn…that leap to love again…and pray that this time…your heart is cradled in love.
      Thanks Garrison.

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      • Garrison Hall says:

        Yep. This is not one of his more popular songs. This version was made long ago and obviously recorded cheaply (it sounds like he’s in a bar somewhere because in another song you hear a police car in the distance) but, when you hear his words, you get the feeling he’s not making anything up.


  4. Lucille says:

    Time-Lapse: Watch Flowers Bloom Before Your Eyes | Short Film Showcase

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  5. citizen817 says:

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  6. 4beagles says:

    I Miss You…

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  7. MTeresa says:

    Sometimes, it’s so very sad to see our nation so torn apart and our people so divided. Please Lord – help heal our country…………

    Prayer for the Nation:
    God our Father, Thou guidest everything in wisdom and love. Accept the prayers we offer for our nation; by the wisdom of our leaders and integrity of our citizens, may harmony and justice be secured and may there be lasting prosperity and peace. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

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  8. 4beagles says:

    An old man by a seashore
    At the end of day
    Gazes the horizon
    With seawinds in his face
    Tempest-tossed island
    Seasons all the same
    Anchorage unpainted
    And a ship without a name

    Sea without a shore for the banished one unheard
    He lightens the beacon, light at the end of world
    Showing the way lighting hope in their hearts
    The ones on their travels homeward from afar

    This is for long-forgotten
    Light at the end of the world
    Horizon crying
    The tears he left behind long ago

    The albatross is flying
    Making him daydream
    The time before he became
    One of the world’s unseen
    Princess in the tower
    Children in the fields
    Life gave him it all:
    An island of the universe

    Now his love’s a memory
    A ghost in the fog
    He sets the sails one last time
    Saying farewell to the world
    Anchor to the water
    Seabed far below
    Grass still in his feet
    And a smile beneath his brow

    This is for long-forgotten
    Light at the end of the world
    Horizon crying
    The tears he left behind so long ago

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  9. cheryl says:

    Cpl. Don Graves was ther, and to this day he hasn’t forgotten the words he read on a makeshift memorial at the 5th Marine Division cemetery at the foot of Mt. Suribachi. May we all do our best with our tomorrows.

    I didn’t even turn the sound up and just read his words. Very moving. https://twitter.com/USMC/status/965571684445990912/video/1

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  10. 4beagles says:

    A hobby i enjoy.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        I have a friend in DC who’s working on the WWI centennial celebration and he’s seeing if he can track down a story.
        Some years back the Smithsonian Air Museum got hands on a WWI French fighter for their display. It was found here in the US and they took it to their Maryland site for restoration. Someone thought that it would be neat to see if they could go back through the plane’s records and see if they could find the name of the American pilot who flew it and they tracked it all the way back through the French military’s files. Sure enough, they found a name.
        Hmmmmmmm, someone thought, what if we could track down the family and invite them to the unveiling of the plane at rhe exhibit! So back through the US records they went and not only tracked down the pilot’s family but bthe pilot was still alive – quite old but still alive. The look on the pilot’s face when they reunited him (it was a total surprise) with his plane was priceless, he has no idea that after all those years his plane was still ‘alive’ and that there were people who’d not only go to all of the trouble to restore it but track him down.

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      • piper567 says:

        4beagles, thank you so much for sharing these beautiful assembly/flight videos.
        Not only are the craft beautiful, but the process says much ab who you are, that you would choose this work…meticulous as well as aesthetic.
        Just beautiful.

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  11. nwtex says:

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  12. nwtex says:

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  13. thinkthinkthink says:

    Jesus Gives The Parable Of The Faithful or the Unfaithful Servant.

    “Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so. Amen, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property.

    But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is long delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and eat and drink with drunkards, the servant’s master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.”

    Gospel of Matthew 24:45-51

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  14. Donna in Oregon says:

    Irish Blessing

    Wishing you a rainbow
    For sunlight after showers—
    Miles and miles of Irish smiles
    For golden happy hours—
    Shamrocks at your doorway
    For luck and laughter too,
    And a host of friends that never ends
    Each day your whole life through!

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  15. Praying Medic has tweeted that Imperator Rex is back tweeting under poet name Vachel Lindsay. Same report tweeted by Stable John Ross. Some treepers had posted they missed Rex and this is latest update I have seen.

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  16. USA loves Melania says:

    A couple of articles I found very interesting about the East German Stasi. What’s most disturbing is how frequently regular people – not Stasi – would spy on their fellow East Germans and “turn them in”.



    This article has funny pictures of Stasi agents. These guys are like extras straight out of a James Bond film.

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    • nimrodman says:

      Checked out the Daily Mail article so far. All I could think of was the Wild and Crazy Guys … tho they’re Czech:


    • Tegan says:

      When I was in China, told the same within the communities. Highly organized and very much encouraged to “report” on their neighbors ( no hiding pregnancies of second child, for example.)


    • Bendix says:

      IMO, it’s been increasingly that way in this country, since 9/11.
      So many people relish the opportunity to grab the least little bit of unjustified “authority” over their fellow citizens.
      It makes them feel important, I guess.


  17. USA loves Melania says:

    Do you think if you time traveled it would be like Back to the Future where inanimate objects, like your clothing, would go with you or do you think it would be like the Terminator where you’d show up in another time naked as a jaybird? I don’t really care one way or the other I just want to be ready for whatever happens.

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    • amwick says:

      Check out Nathan Van Coops.. He has written some fun fiction about time travel… The Chronothon is a time travel scavenger hunt of sorts…. And then there is In Times Like These,,, which is a fun novel itself… When his characters time travel their clothes and stuff go with them, but to do it they need an anchor… it is complicated, but the anchor is to prevent you from popping into physical objects, which would be deadly. I liked his version of time travel, because I wouldn’t want to lose my clothes in the process.

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    • Blue Ridge Mts Va. says:

      Jack Finney has a good book called Time and Again.


      • Bendix says:

        I loved that one!
        I have always felt more connected to bygone times during a snowstorm too, I don’t know why?
        Thanks for reminding me of it. I misplaced my copy, and couldn’t remember the title or author, to recommend it to people.


  18. Dora says:

    Jean Beraud – ‘La Lettre’ (The Letter) 1908


  19. Dora says:

    Another piece of Paris history bites the dust. These days it is remembered as the last place that Diana stayed, but the hotel has many memories going further back.


    Own a slice of the Ritz’s rich history: 10,000 objects including paintings, chandeliers, service buttons, garden gates and French antiques will go under the hammer in Paris

    * Over 10,000 objects from the luxury hotel’s past go on sale in April

    * Items include paintings and antiques representing over a century of it’s history

    * Items grouped into lots range from €100 to €5,000 and encapsulate ‘Ritz style’


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  20. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
    Matthew 24:5 (KJV)

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  21. duchess01 says:

    Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

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  22. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  23. Dora says:

    I love it.

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    • Tegan says:

      Looks idealistic but probably a lot of problems with the daily life chores such as deliveries, carrying your groceries, etc. can you imagine getting furniture into these places! LOL
      Nevertheless, I also love the idea of these quaint places.


      • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

        No problem! When you live in a place like this, you don’t go to the grocery store like in the USA. You make your daily run to the shops. The butcher, the bakery, the paper shop (for the news), the veg stand and your milk, eggs and butter are delivered. Believe me, in Scotland, it was a totally different way of life. I loved it! I learned that the basics was all you need. I went to the “grocery store” about once every 3 or 4 months for a few things, but it was a delight to get to know the shop owners and even the farmers.

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  24. Dora says:

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  25. Dora says:

    Interesting, but kind of depressing.


    Abandoned America: Faded factories across the USA

    There’s something about ruins that touches travelers deeply. Perhaps it’s the visual reminder that just as our lives aren’t permanent, neither is our built environment. Or maybe it’s because some of the world’s great tourist attractions, like the Parthenon and the Pyramids of Giza, were once abandoned.


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  26. dbethd says:

    The Booby-Trapped Hoarders’ Mansion – The Collyer Brothers Documentary

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  27. nikkichico7 says:

    Jude 24-25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and [a]forever. Amen.


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  28. Pat Frederick says:

    everyone sees things differently. I come here to read the research, to understand what has happened and what may happen. But there are many here who always seem so depressed—things are not happening as quickly as they would like and they see that as a portent of bad things coming. But me? I stand awash in HOPE–when I voted for President Trump I hoped he would win, but wasn’t clear that it would happen…then it did! I may not always understand the timeline of things, given the complexity of issues and players. But I trust in God and HIS timeline and I have hope of a better tomorrow. Breathe in, breathe out…President Trump is being guided…he’s got this.

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  29. Leapin says:

    I voted today in a state supreme court primary, one traditional conservative judge who understands the role of the judiciary and separation of powers versus two Demosocialists/Marxists/Commies vying to see who can be most radical. They don’t even keep their radicalism hidden anymore. One candidate openly states “the rule of law is garbage”. Keep strong and pray for the nation.

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  30. Dora says:

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  31. David Cyrr says:

    Just wondering if it’s only me, but is anyone else having problems connecting to this link??? http://qanonposts.com/


    • czarowniczy says:

      Nope, no joy here either.


      • Thank you. Yesterday 793 was not sporting a flag. Am wondering how the post changed without altering the sequence number.

        The day prior, the date header was wrong … Oct 28 2017 … which rendered a huge surprise to Ctrl+f.

        Anybody heard from Hillary since the Florida shooting? (Note, Broward county is the location of her “Hillary 2020” campaign headquarters and of the shooting. There’s a photo of her posing with the same Sheriff connected to the policies that allowed the shooter to legally purchase his weapon.)

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    • thinkthinkthink says:

      Lots of reports of the site being down today.

      For example see Praying Medic’s twitter:


      • He is gone ….posts is gonebut did advise to save everything locally and off line. my thumb has his last several months of information.

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        • I am current through the 18th, but this morning’s “here and gone” post did not get captured. I’ve been reading and digesting first. I will correct that at first opportunity.
          He / they mentioned the pistol in the media van at Mar a Lago (sp?) and other stuff even more important (pistol is solved problem, not urgent). I went to qresearch to see if there was anything to go with the new posts and accidentally close out Q. When I came back to Q, the new stuff had evaporated.


      • maiingankwe says:

        Thank you for the post, but I can’t get it to work. It tells me, “Cannot open page, server cannot be found.”

        I do have good news though! Last night I was listening to Corsi about Q’s latest posts dated, 2-19-2018 on You Tube. He informed us he has a page of Q’s posts and shared it. It is:


        I don’t know how far back it goes, but I can let you know that later. I plan on writing every single one down in one notebook and explanations/theories in another one. It looks to messy having them together. I end up writing stuff on the side, above and all around, plus, I’d like to be able to add to them as I learn.

        I did check it and it does work. I also plan on listening to Praying Medic later tonight to see what he has to share. I haven’t listened to him before, and I’ve been seeing his name around, so what can it hurt?
        Have a wonderful night,

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        • thinkthinkthink says:

          Yes, the Q data has been taken down purposely.
          Not an attack, but for a reason not shared just yet.
          I’ve only read the twitter threads on Q, I don’t have time to watch the videos.

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          • maiingankwe says:

            No worries, not enough hours in the day. Tell you what, you keep me up to date on the tweets, and if you ever have a question on what Q may have said, feel free to ask me. I don’t do twit, so you’d be a great help.
            Stay smiling,

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            • thinkthinkthink says:

              I find twitter to be overwhelming much of the time, but I check some of the threadreader accounts regularly. Hopefully I’ll point out items worthy of interest.

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  32. Doppler says:

    Major new criminal information from Mueller snares Skadden lawyer – worked with Manafort on Ukraine projects, key question: who was Person A mentioned in the pleading? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/skadden-arps-lawyer-is-charged-with-role-in-u-s-russia-probe


    • Doppler says:

      And here’s the criminal information nailing Alex Van der Zwaan for lying to the FBI apparently trying to hide communications with Gates, Person A and Law firm A. https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-alex-van-der-zwaan-information

      Seems the guy also recently married the daughter of a Russian oligarch (per Bloomberg story). Note also Andrew Weissman’s signature on the pleading.

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    • Doppler says:

      Note also Skadden was selected by Manafort to help Ukrainian government justify its jailing of a political opponent. Lead Skadden lawyer: Greg Craig, former Obama White House Counsel 2009-10.


    • Doppler says:

      Greg Craig led Clinton’ impeachment defense, and was Obama’s first WH counsel, when the first Uranium One minority stake purchase occurred. Then set up Skadden’s crisis management practice, first case, defend Goldman Sachs in SEC enforcement action. Then brought in by Manafort or Podesta Group to help pro-Russia Ukrainian efforts for which Manafort-Gates were indicted, in which Podesta Group was Company A. Then his associate Van der Zwann, son-in-law of Russian oligarch, talks to and records coversation with Gates and Person A in September 2016, concurrently emailing Person A, then lies about and tries to conceal those September 2016 communications from Mueller’s investigators.

      Was that not concurrent with “highly inflammatory 302s” being withheld by Strzok?

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    • dbethd says:

      I believe you meant to post on the Presidential Thread 🙂

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  33. czarowniczy says:


    Thought I’d drop this link in for those who have an interest in the security of their medcal records. Those medical entities who have over 500 records compromised in a breach must report the breach to HHS and to those whose records were lost. The entities have months to do so but generally notify the HHS right off so you’ll probably see it here berfore you get an ‘oops’ letter in the mail.
    I checked it this AM only to find that the hospital that ‘owns’ the local clinic had a large breach. We haven’t received a letter – it’s too soon – but I called the hospital to see if the records stolen were theirs alone or if the clincs’ records were lost in the mix. Loooooong cold pause followed by \: “We’ll have someone call you.” Click.
    So here’s the site if you want to check it every now and then. If I remember correctly the facility has 60 days to notify you so if they’ve decided to get the Fed notification in first as it’s easier you’ll have a heads up.

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  34. Mary Morse says:

    A favorite lecture if you have a couple of hours (sorry) Sebastien Marot is a wonderful story teller who plays in paranoid critical space


  35. Janie M. says:

    Discovered this gem today watching a kitty rescue video over at YT (song was the background music). I’ve never heard of Ms. Hines before and it appears she had been around since the 70’s (?). Don’t know how I missed her (my loss). Love her rendition of this song.


  36. Sepp says:

    This evening the second part of the Great Canon by Saint Andrew of Crete is read/chanted in Orthodox Churches. The Great Canon is prayed during the first week of Great Lent to stir or rouse the soul to repentance.

    The prayer of Saint Ephraim of Syria is prayed each week day during Great Lent.

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  37. duchess01 says:

    February 20, 2018
    Cell Tower Radiation Facts & 5G Unknowns

    by Catherine Frompovich, Activist Post:



    • thinkthinkthink says:

      We have yet to quantify the impact of radio frequency radiation (from wireless communications) on the developmental issues seen in today’s children.

      If the early studies of lower IQ in WiFi fields are confirmed
      how can we not see this as a problem?

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      • duchess01 says:

        Dunno, think – but it scares the beegeebies out of me – it really does!


        • thinkthinkthink says:

          Fear is also bad for your health Duchess, so I think maybe getting informed to reduce the fear is our best first step.

          I’ve read that in China all pregnant women wear some special shielding fabric over their torsos to protect the developing baby within them. In France all WiFi has been removed from the schools, even the National Archives (to prevent premature aging of documents).

          Remember, harm from “ionizing radiation” means that the molecules of life are dismantled fast enough by the incoming energy that the body can’t keep up with recreating itself during the event — as happened to the operators at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster.

          The harm from “non-ionizing” radiation is slower and for the healthiest people, they seem to be able to keep up with the damage. This does not mean harm is not being done, just that we are wonderfully created to recover from the various types of damage that happens in life.

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          • duchess01 says:

            Faith outweighs fear, think – I have faith in God’s protection – at the same time – I know there are people in this world who serve another god – and are our worst enemies – satan wants us dead –

            However, God provides us with His protective shield – that far outweighs anything satan can ‘create’ –

            I have no fear, think – and we both know how this story ends –

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            • thinkthinkthink says:

              Remember when everyone smoked cigarettes? You got on an airplane without any relief from the smoke and those who knew the harm being done couldn’t get the airlines to ban smoking? Now we know that cigarette smoking deactivates the immune functions in the lung lining while delivering a payload of microbes to those tissues.

              Humans love their publicly acceptable addictions. Smart phones are the most addicting one to date.

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      • millwright says:

        So there may be something to Mr. Heinline’s ” Waldo and Magic Inc ? plot premise ?


  38. dbethd says:

    I think more credit should be given to these two brothers interviewed than the interviews of the student ‘activists’ who have an agenda.

    “Brothers Brandon and Aiden Minoff, both students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, describe what they saw and heard during a shooting that killed at least 17 people and injured another 14 more.”

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    • wondering999 says:

      Brandon, who has a more advanced understanding of economics than most, responds to the gun control question by saying that banning guns will probably result in higher demand for them. He also says that there is not enough focus on mental health; that a student who has been kicked out of three schools for his issues needs help. This young man keeps his balance and his wits about him — very impressive

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  39. Lucille says:

    Cleveland: Imam admits Muhammad married 9-year-old girl, justifies the marriage
    February 20, 2018 9:18 AM By Robert Spencer

    Strictly speaking, Islam Hassan is wrong: Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and consummated the marriage (i.e., raped her) when she was nine. Hassan’s admission is unusual, as usually Islamic apologists in the West deny that Aisha was nine at all. The principal reason why this matters is because Muhammad is the “excellent example” for Muslims (Qur’an 33:21), to be imitated in all things. And so child marriage, which means the physical and psychological abuse of young girls, is widespread in some areas of the Islamic world.



  40. thinkthinkthink says:

    Praying Medic just posted a link to a new site… http://freedomnewsproject.com/


  41. thinkthinkthink says:


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  42. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  43. duchess01 says:

    TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 2018
    Faith Is The Victory That Overcomes The World! Going For The Gold for God



  44. Blue Ridge Mts Va. says:

    Alert! Alert! Alert! This is from the President of the Va. Citizens Defense League. This is very serious. Everybody needs to know about this!

    So the President of the VCDL says: “At the suggestion of one of our members, I have made an audio version of the alert that went out today on the effort underway to make a film to damage gun-rights leaders. That might be easier to share and also handy to listen to while driving, etc….”

    [video src="http://www.vcdl.org/resources/Audio/First_Freedom_Alert.mp4" /]


    • Blue Ridge Mts Va. says:

      Just in case you can’t get to the above link (don’t know why it didn’t post, but I was having a terrible time getting it to post) here is the cut and past version of what the VCDL President sent out.

      February 20, 2018

      Last weekend, while doing what seemed to be a regular interview, I discovered that a movie is being made with the intent to discredit gun-rights leaders across the country.

      No, this is not a joke, it is real and we need to get the word out to other gun-rights organizations, gun-rights leaders, and prominent firearms trainers across the country and we need to do this FAST.

      Back in 2014, alleged Hollywood sexual predator Harvey Weinstein said he was going to make a movie “that would make the NRA wish they weren’t alive.” (All gun organizations are the NRA in his mind.) And he was dead serious. Michael Moore has been attempting to discredit gun owners and leaders for years by tricking people and using creative editing techniques to make them look foolish or idiotic.

      Who’s behind this effort isn’t clear, but they are EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED PROFESSIONALS. For example, to reel me in and to try to make me feel beholden to them, they laid out the red carpet, by providing luxury accommodations, limousine service, and providing a generous monetary allowance to cover meals and other expenses for two days.

      They use psychological manipulation, as well as lies and tricks to put their victim into comedic situations that subject them to public shame, embarrassment, and ridicule. I believe the intent is to destroy reputations and even lives.

      I did some detective work in the days immediately following the “interview,” and I managed to find out they had targeted at least one nationally known firearms trainer and I know there are more. They appear to be setting up near gun shows. I also found out they covered their tracks carefully to avoid revealing their true identity.

      It started when VCDL received an email last week from a company called “First Freedom Television” to do an interview with an “Israeli security expert” on the “shared security interests of like-minded countries, such as the U.S. and Israel.” It went on, “Unlike the misguided position of American liberals, who aim to eradicate guns altogether, Israel has proven that universal gun training and widespread gun ownership actually leads to a safer society.”

      I do interviews all the time, and this one didn’t seem to be all that much out of the ordinary.

      On Sunday, February 11, 2018, I did the interview in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. About 5 minutes into the interview, my radar turned on big time when the interviewer was making claims about Israeli schools training selected children to use firearms from age 17 down to age 4 (!) as a last ditch effort in stopping a terrorist attack on a school if the teachers and security staff had been killed. The children would have codes to unlock secured firearms in such a case.

      When I balked at 4-year-olds being able to do that, he showed me an alleged newscast video on his iPad. The text was in Hebrew, but with an English-speaking narration, talking about how a 4-year-old boy had indeed stopped a terrorist attack at his school. The newscast said that he killed two terrorists using his dad’s gun, which he had brought to school in his backpack to show a friend, in violation of school rules. Israeli Premier Netanyahu was touting him as a hero in the video.

      While I’ve never been to Israel, I do know they have some serious terrorism concerns, especially at schools and other public gatherings. The way they handle some of their security can be very different from what we have in the U.S. But that news story just didn’t look right, and 4-year-olds can hold a gun and fire it with supervision, but not take on terrorists, and especially manage to shoot and kill two of them.

      Because of this and various other odd things I noticed during the interview, I was now convinced that something wasn’t right. This wasn’t real and probably some sort of a set up.

      I could only think of Hollywood’s threat. At a minimum, it could be a comedy which would play only in Israel, but it could be a more damaging attempt to make a “mocumentary,” by someone like Michael Moore, or, even worse, a Sacha Baron Cohen-esq “Borat”-type of shock comedy meant to be devastatingly embarrassing and humiliating to the victim in the crosshairs.

      As the 15-minute interview terminated, the interviewer asked me if I, as an English-speaking firearms trainer, would help him make a “gun safety” training video for children of various ages. This had to be the “kicker,” I thought.

      For better or for worse, I decided that I would play along with the scheme so I could find out who was behind this and where this was going. I figured if I was right about this being a set up, I could blow the whistle and get a warning out to the gun-rights community across the country to protect as many people as possible and maybe derail this attack. If it turned out to be nothing, then no harm, no foul.

      We recorded for almost 3 hours using Airsoft guns as props. They even had a teleprompter!

      I was right – it was a set up – and it was much worse than I could have imagined. If you’ve seen the 70’s movie, “The Sting,” it was much like that. It was a well-orchestrated, well-choreographed, psychological manipulation, with a production cast of at least 10 people, to slowly lead a person down the primrose path.

      We went step-by-step with a ready, and seemingly logical, answer every time I balked at some crazy part of the training. They seemed to have thought of every thing that a person might question. All I can say is that these people were extremely good at deception and manipulation. And no matter how stupid the things the interviewer and I were doing (we were side-by-side the whole time), no one else cracked a smile or laughed once, and I was watching. The professional actors were keeping up the appearance that this was a serious project.

      The end goal was to get the victim to make a “training film” teaching 3 and 4-year-olds how to shoot guns hidden in toy animals at “bad” people, to sing little songs and make gun noises during the training to make it “fun for children,” and even teach little kids how to shoot a rocket-propelled-grenade or a squad automatic weapon at an approaching suicide bomber vehicle!

      It all sounds unbelievable. But everything was elaborately and expensively staged; every contingency planned for, with explanations that make unbelievable things seem plausible (fake documents and videos about how Israel handles security in their schools, for example). The interview moved along at a pace, designed not to give the “mark” time to reflect on where things are going. The craziness factor very gradually got more extreme, like cooking a frog by slowly heating up the water so he doesn’t realize what’s happening until it’s too late. It’s a con game, a sting, plain and simple.

      I don’t know if they have other scenarios or they will use other company names to continue concealing their identity, but anyone doing an interview dealing with gun rights where they sense something odd should terminate that interview. Or, better, bring a recorder and tell the other party you are going to make your own recording of the interview. If they say “no,” then walk out. I am going to make that my own policy going forward to protect against any future fake interviews. BTW, they had me leave my cellphone in an office “because it might interfere with the recording devices,” but I think it was so I couldn’t take any photos of them or make any video or audio recordings on that phone.

      In the end we played each other and I confirmed what I feared this was all about. Sadly for me, I’m sure I’m going to be in whatever crazy film finally comes out, looking really stupid and, just as sadly, I’ll probably be in good company. A few of us will no doubt get hammered, but if we can get the word out IMMEDIATELY, we might be able to save the reputations of many other good people.

      Finally, looking at the possibilities and what I saw while making the “training film,” I’m betting this is going to end up being a “Borat”-style film and it’s going to be vicious on the victims.

      Please share this alert far and wide.

      Philip Van Cleave
      Virginia Citizens Defense League


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