Byron York Ponders The Flynn Puzzle Question…

In a curious article tonight Byron York presents an odd dynamic surrounding the Michael Flynn “lie narrative.”   York points out that in March 2017, James Comey told a closed session of congress that he didn’t think Michael Flynn lied to FBI investigators; yet in December 2017, Flynn accepted a plea therein.  York is puzzled – SEE HERE

As we previously shared, the answer to the question(s) presented within the Flynn article are really not that difficult to figure out.

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the President-Elect’s Transition Team talking to any foreign government, or any official within any foreign government. Ever. Period.  Actually, that’s exactly what transition teams are supposed to do; they reach out and receive information from foreign government officials as the starting point to communication with a new administration.

Many people have asked the question why would Michael Flynn have lied about talking to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the first place?

It’s a great question.

The Occam’s Razor answer is the toxic political environment that existed in January 2017, where the administration was being hammered by a tsunami of media narratives and political opposition claiming that any scintilla of contact with anything Russian meant that Putin and Trump were “colluding BFF’s”,…. and Flynn didn’t want to fuel that nonsense.

That toxic media environment and Mike Pence speaking poorly during a Face The Nation interview was the issue.  Once Vice-President Mike Pence made the statement that Flynn had no contact with anyone from Russia etc. any contradictory statement from Flynn would make Pence appear compromised; so Flynn had to stick to Pence’s false point without clarification.

Reminder:  •Sunday January 15th, 2017 – VP-elect Mike Pence appears on Face The Nation. [Transcript Here]

JOHN DICKERSON: But there’s a distinction between that feeling about the press and legitimate inquiry, as you say, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is doing. Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?

MIKE PENCE: Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy. (link)

*NOTE* Notice the incoming administration was under a false siege created by entirely false narratives.  At the time (early Jan, 2017) ‘any contact’ with Russians was evidence of meddling/election-collusion with Russians.  VP-elect Mike Pence poorly answered the question from Dickerson from a very defensive position.

Mike Flynn had, as his rightful role in the transition demanded, actually discussed various political issues with lots of foreign representatives including Russians.  Mike Pence said there were no contacts with campaign advisers, yet never clarified the transition team would have done so as needed.

It was VP Pence who created the problem for General Mike Flynn.

Friday January 20th – Inauguration

Tuesday January 24th – Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn was interviewed at the WH by the FBI.

During this ambush interview, disguised as a meeting, FBI Agent Peter Strzok and [unknown official] were contrasting Vice-President-elect Pence’s statements to CBS against the known action of Mike Flynn.  [Flynn has two options: either (1) Flynn contradicts Pence, or (2) he tells a lie, those were his options.]

Wednesday January 25th –  The Department of Justice, National Security Division, (at this timeframe Mary McCord was head of the DOJ-NSD) – received a detailed readout from the FBI agents who had interviewed Flynn. Yates said she felt “it was important to get this information to the White House as quickly as possible.”

Thursday January 26th – (morning) Yates called McGahn first thing that morning to tell him she had “a very sensitive matter” that had to be discussed face to face. McGahn agreed to meet with Yates later that afternoon.

Thursday January 26th – (afternoonSally Yates traveled to the White House along with a senior member of the DOJ’s National Security Division, Mary McCord, who was overseeing the matter.  This was Yates’ first meeting with McGahn in his office, which also acts as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

Yates said she began their meeting by laying out the media accounts and media statements made by Vice President Mike Pence and other high-ranking White House officials about General Flynn’s activity “that we knew not to be the truth.

According to Sally Yates testimony, she and Mary McCord reportedly presented all the information to McGahn so the White House could take action that they deemed appropriate.  When asked by McGahn if Flynn should be fired, Yates answered, “that really wasn’t our call.”

Yates also said her decision to notify the White House counsel had been discussed “at great length.”  According to her testimony: “Certainly leading up to our notification on the 26th, it was a topic of a whole lot of discussion in DOJ and with other members of the intel community.”

Friday January 27th – (morning)  White House Counsel Don McGahn called Yates in the morning and asked if she could come back to his office.

Friday January 27th – (late afternoon) According to her testimony, Sally Yates returned to the White House late that afternoon.  One of McGahn’s topics discussed was whether Flynn could be prosecuted for his conduct.

Specifically, according to Yates, one of the questions *McGahn asked Yates: “Why does it matter to DOJ if one White House official lies to another?” She explained that it “was a whole lot more than that,” and reviewed the same issues outlined the prior day.

*If you consider that McGahn was trying to thread the needle between Mike Pence’s poorly worded response to CBS, and Michael Flynn’s questioning that came after Pence’s statement. ie. McGahn could see the no-win situation Flynn was in during that inquisition.

McGahn then expressed his concern that taking any action might interfere with the FBI investigation of Flynn, and Yates said it wouldn’t: “It wouldn’t really be fair of us to tell you this and then expect you to sit on your hands,” Yates claims to have told McGahn.

McGahn asked if he could look at the underlying evidence of Flynn’s conduct, and she said they would work with the FBI over the weekend and “get back with him on Monday morning.”

Friday January 27th, 2017 – (evening) In what appears to be only a few hours later, President Trump is having dinner with FBI Director James Comey where President Trump asked if he was under investigation.

Now, accepting the politicization of the entire Russian Conspiracy Narrative that was leading the headlines for the two months prior to this dinner; and knowing moments earlier your Chief White House counsel informs you that two political operatives (Yates and McCord) from the DOJ were providing classified intelligence reports about General Flynn; and knowing the prior months (Nov/Dec/Jan) were fraught with leaks from intelligence reports identical to those discussed;  wouldn’t you perhaps think that any action you take could be utilized to add fuel to this Russian narrative?  And/Or be used by these same leak facilitators to make something seem like something it is not?

Think about it.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller later charged Flynn (full pdf below) with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions.

According to the plea, while being questioned by FBI agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”

Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution.

The criminal complaint charges Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.

There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings.

However, lying to the FBI is the process crime that has led to Flynn’s admissions herein:

As we have shared from the beginning – this is all about DC politics, not judicial crimes in the same vein as everyone else would be charged.

You cannot view action through the transactional prism of modern judicial proceedings as they relate to you and me. These are political struggles taking place inside the venue of the legal system. The players use the legal system to game out the optics and narrative of political battles for ideological wins and losses.

In essence, this is about leverage for political use and the “small group” weaponized intelligence, investigations and the legal system as part of their larger “insurance policy” against a Trump administration.  James Comey’s friend Benjamin Wittes explained exactly what was needed in October 2016 – SEE HERE.

Nothing about the 2017 Russian dynamic was factually encompassing President Trump; it was/is all about optics, narratives and political leverage. However, everything about this dynamic was/is factually encompassing the existential threat that outsider Trump represented to the established way of life in the DC Swamp.

All of the participants were key stakeholders in keeping President Trump from draining the swamp-life that affords them power, influence and indulgence.  If we drop the legal prism and review everything from the perspective of gaining political leverage against an incoming administration it all makes sense.

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336 Responses to Byron York Ponders The Flynn Puzzle Question…

  1. bkeyser says:

    I’ll be honest- I hope they all got to prison, though we all know that’s not likely. But if I had to pick one person of the bunch, and only one to spend time in a federal penitentiary, it would be Sally Yates. Hell, I’d invite Adam Schiff to Thanksgiving dinner if that’s what it took to put that woman behind bars.

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    • boogywstew says:

      If I could choose only ONE to go to jail it would be Barack Obama! His jailing would so sadden the rest of the co conspirators that I would always be happy. Hillary would be a close second.

      Liked by 17 people

      • notasmidgeon says:

        In a heart beat, I’d choose Hillary!!!! There’s enough of us…..we could each name one and we’d get them all in jail real quick!

        Liked by 12 people

      • Zimbalistjunior says:

        What I’m worried about is how insulated obama seems to be. He can claim he knew about a counter intelligence operation using fisa warrants and other surveillance- but that it was all done in name of national security.
        He can claim he did not know the details of the origins of the dossier and the fact that there were misrepresentations to fisa court.
        He can even claim that even though his PDB s are full of crap about trump team and not russia related ( the stuff Nunes saw and was shocked by) but hey, as claimed in rice CYA email, he ordered his fbi et al to go by the book- Ie do nothing with this information.
        I am worried the only way obama goes down is if someone snitches on him. I don’t think rice will- she sees obama as a Black hope. Comey will probably kill him self soon. Brennan and clapper are lowlifes who will probably see their falling on the sword for him as heroic.
        And I don’t think the strzok Page and priestaps of the world were directly connected to obama.
        Treepers, what you think? Can we get him?

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        • luke says:

          No….but that’s ok. Perspective, every day he wakes up and knows his agenda was blown away by a political novice. Every day he thinks about how close he was to still weilding some power behind the scenes in his ultra leftist/fascist fantasy that once was the US. And some days…he even has to wake up to Michelle.

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          • Convert says:

            Obama won’t go to jail– he’s very insulated, I’m sure. But he will be the OJ Simpson of Presidents. Works for me.

            Liked by 11 people

            • Lunagirl says:

              It will kill him that his reputation and legacy are in tatters. His former devotees will start to ignore him which is a fate worse than death for someone like Obama. I used to think Carter was sort of pathetic. Obama will be much more so.

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              • Your Tour Guide says:

                If he doesn’t get charged, keep track afterwards of his appearances.

                I’ll make an advance prediction: he’ll be appearing on BET shows.
                They’ve been relentlessly propping him up for years now. BET will
                be one of the 4 canary in the coal mines to watch. The other 3 will
                be Yahoo News, Washington Post, and the New York Times.

                If Obama makes an appearance, gets an article, hosts an awards
                show on any of these after the dust settles the canary analogy is
                a two fer. They are still trying to prop up his legacy. Having him
                appear, get favorable press won’t be considered toxic. If they
                don’t book or cover him, then he’s damaged goods. If they DO
                book him or give him favorable press ( and there’s a big outcry),
                then we’re winning the culture wars big time.

                Me? Charge his ass, give him a cell at gitmo, with a view of the
                court yard. No ocean views for traitors. Doubt the bastard gets
                executed.

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            • Fe says:

              I disagree, I have no doubt Fake44 will be indicted and tried by a military tribunal. He will be found guilty of treason, punishable by death, and everything signed by this monster will become moot. It may a few years, but we will be witnesses to seeing the first POTUS get his just desserts for what he has done to this nation, he is going down.

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              • VVV says:

                No he won’t. There will riots if Oboggers is prosecuted. They don’t care what he has done, aka, OJ trial. The best we can hope for is that his assets will be seized behind the scenes.

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                • scott467 says:

                  “No he won’t.”

                  ______________

                  Yes, he will.

                  .
                  .

                  “There will riots if Oboggers is prosecuted.”

                  _______________

                  So what?

                  Seriously, WHO CARES?

                  Do you think they would care, if the roles were reversed?

                  What are you so afraid of?

                  Let them riot. Let them burn down their own inner cities. The RULE of LAW will not be held hostage to a mob of Marxist America-haters.

                  .

                  “They don’t care what he has done, aka, OJ trial.”

                  _______________

                  And why should anyone care what they think?

                  Why do some people engage in this self-defeating, negative-Nellie behavior? Why are you trying to establish a self-fulfilling prophecy?

                  Do you WANT Hussein to get a free pass on mass-murder, crimes against humanity and High Treason?

                  If you don’t want him to get a pass, then why are you trying to prepare minds to accept it?

                  What is the logical argument to give someone a pass, who conspired against America from the highest office in the land, and then participated in an attempted (and ongoing) coup d’etat?

                  There has to be an actual argument.

                  If it all comes out in the open (and it will), the DOJ or a military tribunal is going to have to give the American public a damn good reason for letting a murderer like Hussein go free to continue to undermine the United States of America while any of us would go to the electric chair.

                  There has to be one FANTASTIC argument for Lady Justice having her blindfold ripped off, being grabbed by the back of the neck, and having her face rubbed in Hussein’s crimes against America and humanity.

                  What is it?

                  What is the argument, from the Justice Department to the American People, for a two-tiered standard of Justice?

                  One standard for the God-hating, America-hating, Constitution-hating traitor who tried to overthrow our country, and another standard for everyone else, the law-abiding citizens of America?

                  What’s the argument?

                  You’re going to have to make it a good one.

                  A really good one.

                  I’d like to hear it.

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                • Fe says:

                  You are certainly entitled to your view. But he will be indicted, tried and found guilty of treason. We either restore rule of law completely or we don’t have a country. That’s where I stand. Ditto for Cankles.

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            • scott467 says:

              “Obama won’t go to jail– he’s very insulated, I’m sure.”

              _____________

              Whatchoo talkin’ about, Willis?

              Insulated?

              His own National Security Advisor and close personal counsel, Susan Rice, is about to be put in a vice-grip. She is being asked questions related to the president’s knowledge of and participation in the lawless surveillance of an opposing party candidate, and then the opposing party president-elect, and then Treason against the duly elected president of the United States.

              Grassley already knows the answers to the questions, which means that no matter how Rice answers them, it exposes herself and Hussein.

              Susan Rice is one degree of separation from the former president of the United States. Susan Rice is INNER circle.

              He is about as far from ‘insulated’ as he could be, and it’s only getting worse with each passing day, as new information comes out.

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          • Old Codger says:

            ” And some days…he even has to wake up to Michael”.
            FIFY!

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        • Lis says:

          I believe that the truth shall come out, but for Obama to finally get named in all of this will take a while. Let’s start with the smaller fish who are already under full investigation.

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        • Wretched1 says:

          I think Rice will in fact snitch on the bampster. There’s “taking one for the team” expecting the Hag to win; and the reality of facing jail time since PDJT did. Worst case, she gets jail time… quite duly deserved if for no other reason than Benghazi…

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        • Republicanvet91 says:

          At this point, he is already gotten. Given the incredibly shocking corruption in the DOJ, FBI, State and Intel agencies just on this dossier, if Obama did not know about it, he was incompetent.

          I would settle for all of his supporters knowing their all-knowing, smartest man evah! Lightbringer was too incompetent to know of all of the illegal activities of so many of his cabinet members or other top administration officials.

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        • Fidelis says:

          Once Hillary’s trial date is set, some of O’s emails will mysteriously show up.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Carrie2 says:

          Zimbalist, I read last year that Flynn was asked by Obama to make call or calls to Russia. Where has that statement gone?

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        • JoAnn Leichliter says:

          I still am not quite sure why the email was written at all. President Obama had every legal right–and, in fact, rather a duty–to stay abreast of counterintelligence, since it is developed expressly for the President. It is his property.

          Law enforcement is, however, a separate issue. Nevertheless, a President can intervene there, as well.

          I think the key to all of that blah-blah is the “by the book” part. If the President (or others in the meeting) were known to be a party to or aware of illegal acts, that would be highly problematic.

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        • Jonesy says:

          Well, then let’s get him on sending classified material on a unclassified server. His lawyers would jump at this compared to the other charges of conspiracy. This will prove the coverup and the illegalities of his entire administration as the dominoes fall because I am seeing about 20 people so far being charged.(It might be smaller plea, but will be damaging to Obama’s Presidential legacy and his ego!) The other’s need to pay the price and there are lots of them. Where’s Valerie Jarrett(who has ”not be named”-identified…so far) in this cabal since she needs to be examined as the “Puppet Master” of this entire seditious conspiracy!

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      • luke says:

        The artist that painted Michelle has some lovely unifying prequels in her collection. So telling of the Obama’s to choose that artist to immortalize them.

        Seriously, if that doesn’t shake you and make you realize how lucky we all are that Trump kicked their asses nothing will.

        Liked by 10 people

      • Diddian says:

        Cackles in shackles and televise the perp walk all the way from the door at Chappaqua to the heave-ho into the van.

        Liked by 2 people

    • Tiffany McClure says:

      It’s a toss up between Yates and Rice for me. Hell, if we could get Yates and Rice I’d donate to all the Dems on the HPSIC and that dummy Warner. They are such morons we should thank them. I bet Brennan and Clapper want to smack all those idiots for foiling their plan.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Little Annie’s Fannie says:

      Now that’s desperate!

      Liked by 1 person

    • mike says:

      I really like bringing back the rope.
      I don’t think we should have to pay Club Fed dues for the next 50 years.

      I don’t want the possibility that they are pardoned and discharged from prison if the systemic poison is already too much, and the US then travels further down the Roman (or some -ist) road to ruin, a la Nero, Caligula etc.

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    • oncefiredbrass says:

      They all Deserve to go to Jail for Putting General Flynn through the Legal Hell and threatening his Family. An Honorable Man who Gave 33 Years of Service to his Country! This is not some guy who gamed the Swamp and made a Fortune, Mueller actually had the Balls to Break him Financially!

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    • AH_C says:

      Hey bkeyser.

      My preference would be Kosinin (sp) or Lois Lerner from IRS.

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    • CirclinTheDrain says:

      Can’t choose just one – I choose 4. Obama, Slick Willie, the Hag, and Soros.

      Slick Willie and the Hag – for corruption and selling out the nation to the ChiComms and Russia
      Soros – for trying to turn the world into a fascist state
      Obama – Communist deceiver, treason, selling uranium to Russia/Iran/N.Korea, giving taxpayer cash to Iran, persecuting conservatives and Tea Party patriots, going against everything in his Oath of Office

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      • scott467 says:

        “Can’t choose just one – I choose 4.”

        ________________

        I choose all who are guilty, because it doesn’t matter what I choose, what matters is whether they are guilty.

        So we will have them all because they are guilty and because there is evidence to prove it.

        It’s not a game show, it’s not a ‘reality’ show. 🙂

        People who are guilty of crimes go to prison, or worse.

        These people are all guilty.

        To prison they will go.

        Some for a long time.

        Others on death row for a short time in Gitmo, followed by sudden loss of circulation, after a military tribunal.

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    • terryjlongo says:

      I would want that to be Obama or HRC, because of the massive impact it would have on the voting left. I think others such as Yates are too far removed (yes, even if only one step removed) from the public eye to make as much difference as it needs to make.

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    • yy4u says:

      I’m with you bkeyser — If I could pick only one? YATES! this of course knowing Obama and Hillary are above the law.

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    • fleporeblog says:

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    • oncefiredbrass says:

      He Plead because he Couldn’t afford to fight it, Mueller emptied his Bank Accounts paying Lawyers! Then they smeared him with all the kidnapping crap! Where exactly does He go to get his Name & Reputation Back? This Literally goes to show the Utter Disdain the Libs have for the Military! I get so pissed off every time I think about it…..then I go Donate to his Legal Defense Fund. I can only hope the donations I make are helping in some small part, but we all know what Shark Lawyers Charge!

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  2. georgiafl says:

    So…did Strzok change the paperwork and lie to frame Flynn?

    Is there a recording of the interview?

    Surely it was recorded. Flynn is too smart not to have a recording.

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  3. Jim says:

    How do you figure that Pence answered the question incorrectly? He was asked if anyone connected to President Trump had contact with Russians “trying to meddle in the election”. Why would he answer that question any other way? The question was not “did anyone have contact with Russians”. What am I missing?

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    • rf121 says:

      Exactly. Flynn had contact with Russians and could easily claim he did not know if any meddled with the election. The fact that Yates, who had to be fired, is involved in this stinks. And Strozk admitting they changed 302’s. This all stinks.

      Man, you know you are deep in the weeds on this when you start using FBI lingo.

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    • Sy says:

      I thought the same…this was entrapment engineering

      Liked by 4 people

      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        You’re right.

        THE ENEMEDIA WAS HELPING CREATE AN ENTRAPMENT NARRATIVE.

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      • armie says:

        It’s not really entrapment in a legal sense, but it’s taking advantage of a section of the law that’s being used for a purpose it wasn’t originally intended to be used for. The original intent was to prosecute those who lied for the purpose of defrauding the government. In 1934, in an effort to enforce a law that was later held unconstitutional, the requirement that the lie be for the purpose of defrauding the government was removed, and what was left was a law that makes any lie, including denying committing a crime or in some cases a lie made to a government contractor, a crime. The problem here is that the statute, 18 USC 1000, has become an open ended, overly broad law that gives the authorities a slam dunk prosecution of almost anyone they want to convict. A Witch Hunter’s damp dream. What’s needed is for Congress to recognize it as the threat to individual rights that it’s become and rewrite it, limiting it to attempts to rip off the government as it was originally intended to be.

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        • kroesus says:

          the “lie” has become redefined as all things are to advantage the left…..now recalling the SAME event with two different orders of wording in the statement is considered a “lie”…..you often hear during committee hearings “please reference my earlier written statement” so they do not give “two” different recollection of events

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    • Sayit2016 says:

      “trying to meddle in the election” that is what stood out to me….

      What Flynn was discussing had NOTHING to do with Russia or the election.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Exactly. Thank you for posting just what struck me about Pence’s reply to the particular wording of the question. I’d vote that Pence’s answer was literally safe, but SD is correct in that the media only accepts literal statements when they support the narrative. Otherwise the enemedia casually omit a phrase that changes the entire meaning of the original quote. How many times have we seen that not-so-subtle tool used to change the readers inference….

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  4. Ellie Solo aka Maid Marian says:

    Please get a different photo of Lisa Page, I can’t stand that evil grin.

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  5. 4sure says:

    Pence was responding to questions by the fake news in the usual uniparty scared to death of saying something wrong. He has and continues to have the career swamp dna and will never change.

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    • luke says:

      Yea Pence can get the battered conservative syndrome at times but he’s a good man. He’s been a rock when the chips were down. He’s learning though that he doesn’t have to take that crap anymore….a lot of them are 🙂

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    • MVW says:

      “Pence was responding to questions by the fake news in the usual uniparty scared to death of saying something wrong. ”

      How many critical point in time missteps does someone in Pence’s position, VP, have to make, a person who was an experienced, think on your feet talk show host, before he paints himself as a mole?

      Convenient, absolutely worst case timing, Pence forced the most crippling loss, Flynn. Right at the time Trump needed Flynn the most, to navigate conspiracy at the top. It has dominated the first year.

      Without Pence opening the door to knock out Flynn, historic political headwinds would have been significantly lower. It just makes Pence smell like old mullet to me. It smells so bad. Sorry. I. Don’t. Buy. It. And ever since, Pence has been under lock and key, so neither does Trump.

      It is only by the Grace of God that Trump turned lemons into lemonade this first year, and ensnared the demons, making it look like it was all planned. And I trust Pence as far as I can throw sand.

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      • MVW says:

        And Pence was the only one who could deliver the knockout to Flynn. Without Pence, Flynn was untouchable.

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        • Bull Durham says:

          !00%!

          Pence worked with IC to get Flynn out.

          Flynn had changed the entire order of power in the IC.

          NSC was on top. CIA push down and DNI was going to be abolished.

          Completely reversed after Flynn was shoved out.

          All this hero worship of Pence is typical. He’s a good man. Proper Christian. Conservative.

          He’s the one. You have to not know “types” to not understand Pence.

          Gives me the creeps and I don’t have that but when I’m dead right.

          They set up Flynn and got him out and then they set him up with a felony.

          Easy to sell. They say he lied to Pence. Ha! Pence was NOBODY in that early WH setup. He might be VP, but he was at least 13th or 15th behind a ton of MAGA Trump people. Check that early roster.

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      • WSB says:

        I believe you are yet to come to the light on that one. Flynn went dark. Notice the media never ran to his house to ask him about his departure?

        Not one interview. Don’t worry about it.

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      • redline says:

        By that Divine grace, and also by a subtlety of effectiveness that lets Trump outmaneuver those who mean to do him harm, before they even begin to realize he saw more of the table and how to play it, than they could ever hope to imagine.

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      • Pence is too chummy with Paul Ryan.

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    • donnajeanz says:

      Never liked or respected Pence, that soft spoken tone of voice and his smile bothers me.
      He acts so holier than thou…never will trust him. I remember Flynn had a list of names and some were friends of Pence. So Pence went after Flynn. Only know the men on the list were not men we would want around our children. Read about it a couple of times and never heard about it again…could be true, could be false information…

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      • Thomas Raymer says:

        I have been starting to doubt Pence. he is VERY CLOSE to the Bush’s. Pence said they fired Flynn because Flynn lied to him about talking to Russians. It was the other way around Flynn lied about not talking to Russian’s because Pence went on TV and said they didn’t. Real stupid when it was Flynn’s JOB to talk to Russians and every other country. I think Pence wanted him out and McMaster in

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    • WSB says:

      “JOHN DICKERSON: But there’s a distinction between that feeling about the press and legitimate inquiry, as you say, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is doing. Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?

      MIKE PENCE: Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy. (link)”

      I knew, as soon as I saw this, Pence was either a plant, player or playing dumb. Period. We already KNEW what Flynn said.

      “…did any advisor or anbody in the Trump campaign…” there was no way to win that unless you were really quick on your feet…and decipher ‘any advisor’. You would have to collect yourself, think, and separate what ‘an advisor’ was from anbody in the Trump Campaign. AND, understand you were getting blindsided by the GovoMedia.

      “John, one of my advisors is my wife, Karen…and the Russians meddling in WWII, but when did we, the People, actually figure that out? A lot later.”

      See?

      Perfect response. Just really late.

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      • armie says:

        If you follow the news conferences, you’ll see them trying to set up that “did ANYBODY EVER do…” trap on a regular basis. Frequently you can go back a couple of days and find the incident where someone once said or did what they’re asking about. It’s forensic judo, asking a question they know the answer to in an attempt to sandbag someone who may not know or remember the incident they’re thinking of. Best response, which Sarah practices regularly, is to repeat the narrow talking point you used before, or give a response based on your direct knowledge. Not “nobody did that”, but “I’ve never seen anyone do that”. Gamesmanship. It’s a high school debate class stunt, not good reporting.

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  6. John Kerry free as a bird guilty of meeting with an giving aid and comfort to NVA in Paris France while still in the U S Navy Reserve.!

    Lot of clean up to do

    Obama 10 times worse and 10 times more guilty!

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  7. chiefillinicake says:

    I’ll settle happily for ruined reputations, eternal shame, and no jail-time, AS LONG as we gain substantial majorities in the House and Senate in 2018.

    President Trump needs steadfast allies in Washington if we’re really to make America Great Again.

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    • billrla says:

      chieffillinicake: But, you do not have to settle. Take both.

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    • Le Borgne says:

      I could not agree more. Vengeance and vindication, by themselves, are worthless. As we can see, the MSM has already moved on….because they know a crapstorm is coming and it won’t help their side. In fact, the newly-weaponized #metoo#metoo#metoo has already replaced RussiaRussiaRussia. For us now it’s all about using the impending crapstorm to pummel the regressives and the media and Democrat candidates into submission. We need to maintain what we have or, if things really fall our way, gain a few seats. Jail time is part of the journey, not the destination.

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    • notasmidgeon says:

      The majority of their wealth must be removed also!

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    • luke says:

      I’m with you Chief. I am more than happy to see them rot but not at the detriment of MAGA. I also am concerned that now that others have gotten their expectations set to “hang em high” there might be some letdown if that doesn’t happen. Specially over at BB and Infowars.

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      • rashomon says:

        It would be to the detriment of MAGA and to the families across America who are trying to raise children to respect others and the rule of law if these creatures were not punished for their blatant abuses.

        Their crimes are not spilling milk. They are not an “Oops!” error in judgement. Each and every one planned, calculated and benefited from harming who-knows-how-many, costing the taxpayers trillions and infesting our culture with a rot that is going to take more than bleach bit to wipe out. They had no problem ruining the lives of others: suicides, Arkancides, loss of family and savings, loss of jobs now and in the future, reputations destroyed and more.

        Punish to the fullest extent of the law.

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    • Sunshine says:

      They have no soul, therefore forget the ruined reputations. It won’t bother them if they stay in D.C., California, or New York.

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  8. anthohmy says:

    So Yates knew “…the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”. I don’t recall Kislyak being identified or charged as a Russian who was trying to meddle in the election.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      And they have a tape recording of all his meetings with anyone, probably HD video from three angles.

      Name one Kremlin Official who did anything to influence the election of either candidate.

      There is not one fact existent.

      If there was, we would have a FINDING of the IC. We don’t. We have an opinion by the three agencies which we now have mountains of proof were corrupt and peddling lies and fabrications.

      There is nothing. Not even the bun from a nothing burger.

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      • H.R. says:

        Bull: “Not even the bun from a nothing burger.”

        Like!
        “I’ll have the Nothing Burger, hold the bun.
        And I’ll have water with lemon, hold the ice and no water.”

        So all they’re left with is sucking on a lemon.

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    • WSB says:

      Yates was part of the plan, and Kissov was the patsy they used continuously.

      Why was Kislyak not removed with the rest of the Russian delegation in December?

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      • TDU_Weight says:

        PNG declaration and expulsion of the 35 Russian Intel operatives and closing of two diplomatic compounds had zero to do with “election meddling.” It was a “Round up the usual suspects!” opportunity. Serendipitous timing allowed this major CI wrap up of the Russians operations to go barely noticed (in the scheme of things) and blaming it on “election interference” played into the collusion feeding frenzy and ended any objective media inquiry. Even our intrepid FOXhounds were led of the trail by a false scent. This is the Stellar Black Hole exerting a maleficent effect on the whole “muh Russia” discovery narrative. Since the expulsion and closing of the two compounds its been “crickets.” Recommend “Turnabout and Deception” by Barton Whaley. The icing on the cake was Obama spiking the ball on any rapprochement with Russia for years. Obama – the gift that just keeps on giving and giving.

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  9. anthohmy says:

    though diplomatic immunity and all, but still…

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  10. mj_inOC says:

    Seems like VP Pense forgot the foundational rule:
    Never accept the narrative of a question.

    Yes, working on my listening skills too…

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    • mj_inOC says:

      Oops, Pence…

      Narrative and/or premise of a question…
      Gratefully, Our POTUS never does!
      God bless and protect him, Vanessa and his family, cabinet, and trustworthy staff.

      MAGA!

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Great point. Always re-frame trap questions and leading questions, and if one feels like it, cast aspersions on the questioner for having proffered them.

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      • Sayit2016 says:

        I think you may be right…but on live TV it is a very different thing. Hindsight is always 20/20. I do not think for one minute Pence is a swamp creature. I think he is a decent man.

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          Absolutely. He’s one of Trump’s greatest weapons. Picking Pence PROVES that Trump wants GOD’S purpose served if anything happens to him. Trump was very honest about his pick for VP – to continue his administration. THAT shows what is important to Trump.

          Pence was a brilliant pick. Obama picked Biden so HE personally would not lose power. Trump thought of AMERICA FIRST, not himself, and picked somebody who could keep the MAGA going where Trump would like it, and NOT be lured by evil in any way.

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    • armie says:

      Yep, never accept the narrative. With these clowns, begged questions are the only kind they know how to ask.

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  11. trumpthepress says:

    This goes out to Bull D. – You were right all along,,,,spot on many moons ago about Flynn. Hats off to you sir.

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Thanks for recalling.

      I think we have read Trump correctly, though he gives us pause from time to time.
      And I think most of us have read Session correctly.
      And I think some of us were not knocked off reading General Flynn correctly.

      I judge a man by the body of his work, the totality of his life, and the specialties or even peculiarities of his personality.

      Flynn had been protecting Trump from the coup plotters and neocons, the bad Intel people. I saw where he was going, and always read everything he did as for Trump’s stated goals and the best action for the US. Even his stuff with Turkey, I saw it as the right thing. He was trying to hold Turkey from going toward Russia. He was right. Gulen is a CIA stooge, very dangerous to Turkey, and now Turkey is aligned with Russia and Iran. And is useless within NATO.

      It’s good this is coming out. Hopefully, the charges he pled will be dropped. Mueller should know they will be reversed at some point, though the agreement indicates he can’t appeal. But the deal he pled was a fraudulent deal on the face of it. It’s a disgrace. But then,too, so is Mueller. He’s up to his skinny ass in Uranium One and a host of other dirty cases when he was Director of FBI for 12 years. A dirty cop, as Joe DiGenova says of Comey. The bureau is full of dirty cops. The Flynn case is loaded with them.

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      • Have Gun Will Travel says:

        Hooah.

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      • deqwik2 says:

        This is a very long thread, 63 tweets, but well worth reading. Lays out the backstory about Gulen & other things that Obama held against Flynn.
        He mentions several media rats that helped push the fake news about Flynn.

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      • trumpthepress says:

        It’s been quite a learning experience for about a year on this site for me. I was always skeptical of the media and stories about people but the outright lies and evil intentions are simply scary. The good news is they have really been exposed to so many now. Keep on the good fight!

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  12. Ari says:

    VP Pence is to Trump as VP Bush was to ???

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  13. Looking at the dirtiest dozen of of the “watchmen” shown above, what is the exact crime they can be charged with – either individually or as a group (i.e. RICO perhaps)? I’m not a legal beagle…..

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  14. Ziiggii says:

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  15. AmericaFirst says:

    All of the rabid fervor on the left regarding any dispute about the Russian collusion allegations, despite seeing in writing that it was an “insurance” plan, etc., strikes me as panic that none of the plans to prevent Trump from becoming President were successful, and this is their last plot to unseat him: They just can’t let it go.

    If Flynn is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea of “lying” to the FBI, due to the targeting, and now information that many in the FBI actually said that they didn’t think he lied, then what teeth does Mueller have left? Anyone else he would try to indict or prosecute could with good reason claim to be the subject of a witch hunt.

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  16. nerveman says:

    Now I’m angry. Logan Act? You gotta be kidding me. What about John Kerry meddling with the Palestinians ? If Flynn sacrificed himself he is a hero. Hell I hope he is exonerated and Trump hires him back

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  17. Lis says:

    Sally Yates is the key. All charges against Flynn should be dropped.

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  18. Selfstarter says:

    It’s clear that Mueller threatened Flynn’s son with charges and he had some skeletons in his Turkey dealings, so it was expedient for him to accept a deal that gave Mueller a very high scalp in the Trump WH.

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  19. Msher says:

    I am a member of two bars, albeit not a criminal lawyer. Imho, in any normal case, the case against Flynn would by now be dropped and the prosecuting jurisdiction would be making a settlement with him for his damages for wrongful prosecution. His damages, between attorneys fees, loss of income and loss of reputation, are substantial. The “prosecuting party” should be Hillary Clinton, but unforunately, it’s the Special Counsel, DoJ and the U.S.Gov’t. I’m trying to figure out a legal theory for the gov’t being indemnified by her, something to do with gov’t being misled by her fraud in dossier, but that doesn’t work as FBI knew dossier was fake. So, so far, I have no legal theory for gov’t to get Hillary to pay Flynn damages. No theory either for McCabe and Comey, to be monetarily liable.

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  20. HankM says:

    Another great start to the week sundance. Thanks again.

    I’m getting spoiled by your steady output of informative and often “entertaining” and factually accurate articles.

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  21. Cathy Molyneux says:

    (I’ve been posting this on other sites for a couple of months)

    FBI: Hillary was “grossly negligent” (a term that carries legal significance) in handling classified material & also lied to FBI .

    Then months later The FBI states she was “Extremely Careless” . No consequences for Hillary.
    =================

    FBI, soon after the Flynn interview was announced – The FBI interviewers believed Flynn was cooperative and provided truthful answers. Although Flynn didn’t remember all of what he talked about, they don’t believe he was intentionally misleading them, the officials say. (ergo did not commit the crime alleged/ conspiring with Russians.)

    To violate the law- 18 USC 1001, the individual would have to “knowingly and willfully” lie.

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  22. Paul Tibbets says:

    Couldn’t Fylnn now sue Mueller directly? Or ask for the DOJ to prosecute Mueller, if Mueller was investigating Fylnn’s son and using that as leverage to coerce a false confession of guilt how is that not a violation of 18 U.S. Code § 242 – Deprivation of rights under color of law

    “Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States,:”

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    • jnr2d2 says:

      Is Flynn an intentional mis-direction. Part of a counterintelligence sting. Remember press was wondering why it took a month before Flynn was “fired.” Part of developing the sting strategy.

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  23. chojun says:

    It makes even more sense when you consider how Trump was a true outsider who built his political network outside of DC. There is no-one to pull Trump’s strings and so he represents a genuine agent of change.

    Believe me there are a lot of closets in DC packed with skeletons and DC very much desires that people don’t go poking around in them.

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  24. Paul Tibbets says:

    This can not stand! You can not have Mueller forcing a false confession out of US General!

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    • rf121 says:

      The General put his country before himself. When it all comes out, that act alone I believe will lead to his full redemption.

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      • Flynn was a mistake…His Dealings with Turkey was a hot coal for Trump even if there was no such thing as Mueller…

        As far as I’m concerned Flynn would have been a problem sooner or later regardless of the situation… But Most likely, now he a lucky guy this happened…
        He should walk

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        • MVW says:

          Please explain how dealings with a NATO ally is a problem. Further, no one has said that these dealings were anything but proper. And one more thing, if there was anything improper beyond some paperwork, Mueller would have him strung up.

          So, I don’t buy it that a patriot like Flynn did anything ‘off’ with respect to Turkey.

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        • . InAz says:

          Flynn did nothing wrong.
          Read up on Gulen. Gulen is dangerous and helping you destroy the United States.
          Also Flynn was targeted for siding with a female FBI agent, and helping her, who was bringing sexual harassment charges.

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  25. freddy says:

    Pence is like a robot and not above playing anybodys game. You don’t get that high up without being a player. I’m betting he thought they would get Trump quickly and he would fill the vacuum…..continue his allegiance to the swamp boys a lot like Sessions. Here we are more than year later and Ryan and McConnel and all the other betrayers must be amazed the turn of events….

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  26. LibertyONE says:

    I pray the day comes when ,not if, they have to drop the charge against the honorable Gen. Flynn and he goes full blown ballistic i.e. law suits, interviews etc agaist the evil doer’s!

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  27. DeWalt says:

    Flynn removed himself from the inner circle. The so called mistakes Flynn made were to amateurish for a professional. Flynn designed and orchestrated the counterespionage operation that shut down the Whitehouse leaks. The spooks Flynn used just faded away and we’ll never know.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      I have a feeling he spotted exactly how the Yates play was going to work, and let himself move through their process as bait.

      There is a very strong theory out there that Yates was set up to be the thorn in Trump’s side after Sessions was recused. The MAGNIFICENT removal of Yates was too wonderful to have not been by design. I think that the White Hats had some idea what was happening, and were not about to give it up by Flynn showing he was wise to it.

      It was pure chess. LET them take our knight. Trump takes their queen. GAME OVER.

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  28. Mr. Morris says:

    If we truly want to Make America Great Again we must have equal justice under the law. The conspirators must be exposed.
    In my opinion Hillary her dirty tricksters invested millions of dollars to fix a Presidential election for Her. With the assistance of the media, the Obama Administration and some who claim to be Republicans, they tried to overturn the election results. I think they are guilty of sedition and possibly treason. They are the ones who declared war. They are the ones who spied on Americans. They are the ones who produced the “Golden Showers” dossier. They are the ones who acted like Communists, in the tradition of the KGB and Stassi.

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    • Sayit2016 says:

      I completely agree you I do not want to see ANYONE walk that has committed crimes. I am watching HOMELAND ( yeah yeah ) The PE GOP President ( which is a woman) was almost killed in an assassination attempt. After this happens– they track down all of the people involved and they are all sitting in military prisons– the news shows them all being arrested and perp walked…

      I HOPE this happens in real life. To ALL of them.

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  29. Paul Murphy says:

    Umm Sundance?

    Flynn is nether that stupid nor that naive about how things work in Washington. Have you considered the not-so-obvious? that Flynn was inserted into the process as a target specifically to tempt/trap Mueller et al? Bear in mind that Mueller had to have known about the dossier’s rather dodgy origin before he accepted the special prosecutor role – and that every i he has dotted, and every T he has crossed, in this investigation will help seal his fate along with those of the others involved?

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    • MVW says:

      All kinds of double back flips can be imagined, but the more convoluted the more difficult it is to have it ‘work’. So, maybe this was 50D chess, who can know?

      It take quite an well organized conspiracy with skilled players, and well placed traitors to make something work. We see that with Obama, the CIA would be able to game it out. It needed one key player… All he had to do was bumble at the right time, during a planned interview, on cue.

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  30. So where do we go for redress when our very institutions of Justice are corrupt?

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  31. Troublemaker10 says:

    It clearly appears that there was a great injustice done to Flynn. This needs to be corrected. I hope he sues for compensation and is justly awarded.

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  32. Theo West says:

    Frankly Trump’s been president for over a year and I’m starting to suffer from “analysis exhaustion.” So much evidence piled up and yet these people are still walking around free. For God’s sake, what is it going to take? If I drive 10 mph over the speed limit I get stopped and ticketed. When is justice going to be enacted? I want JUSTICE! Enough already!

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    • MVW says:

      Too much rot, take it down wrong and the roof caves in.

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    • rf121 says:

      That is President with a cap P.

      Real justice takes time and when the swamp is this deep it takes a while to drain. If it was just one person with a speeding ticket I would agree. But we are looking at dozens of corrupt leaders throughout the FBI and DOJ.

      It is hard to stay patient but come the summer we will all be stunned with the level of corruption. This will be a sad time for our Republic.

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    • ZurichMike says:

      Multiple felonies and multiple departments. Hundreds upon hundreds of evildoers. The Inspector General has been working for over a year on much of this and amassed 1.2 million documents. Investigations take time. Grand juries take time. Plea bargains take time. Plea bargains where you point the finger at bigger criminals, and an ever-expanding universe of criminals take time. Ensuring that your investigations result in jail time, not just indictments that will be tossed out, takes time.

      There are now 13,000 sealed indictments pending in federal courts, waiting to be unsealed. This won’t happen until they catch the big fish. Unsealing them now would tip off wrongdoers about pending investigations, and they may then destroy incriminating information and documents.

      Trump entered DC, where 95% of the inhabitants and federal workers voted for Hillary. And you think that he could just come in and start arresting people? How would that make him better than Obama? Evidence, due process, rule of law. Takes time.

      Trump faced a monolithic anti-Trump, pro-globalist, establishment swamp of evil with only a handful of good people. Some establishment whores he was stuck with for a time, like Priebus. Building cases, getting the right people in place, and even finding the outer limits of the corruption takes time.

      So sorry that this is not happening to some timeline known only to those who haven’t a clue how criminal prosecution works.

      What I just wrote has been posted on this site multiple times FOR OVER ONE YEAR. Is there anything about these facts that are unclear?

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    • Sayit2016 says:

      I understand your frustration…. I really do…. The depth of the corruption and the sheer amount of people involves make this a slow dig. There has been so much information posted here it is often overwhelming to absorb. But this has to be airtight or they all walk. I actually think this will take a year to sort this all out.

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  33. TreeperInTraining says:

    This Flynn thing has me in a conundrum. I can usually put pieces together (especially with a little “sundancing” to prod me along)….but….

    I don’t get the interview without counsel.

    I don’t get the postponement of sentencing.

    I don’t get the recusal of the judge.

    I don’t get the guilty plea.

    I don’t “get” any of it.

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    • rf121 says:

      The interview I don’t get either. Never talk with the FBI or any other law enforcement without a lawyer. Ever! Forgot who post this but I have sent to all my family and you should too.

      The rest is simple. Mueller knows the claims against Flynn are bogus. Interviewed by Strozck. That tosses the case right there. The plea was the simple way out. Fighting it takes money. From what I heard he lost his house to pay for legal fees.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Flynn played dumb, knowing they were playing dirty. It was BRILLIANT. My guess is that we already knew that the top of the FBI was dirty, but maybe not exactly HOW. Flynn EXPECTED that he would be snaked in some way. Yates walked right into the trap and outed herself as disloyal and a snake. So Trump put out snake bait (the “Muslim ban”), the snake came out and hissed, and Trump chopped off its head with the garden hoe.

      WHAT if Priestap (who was with Yates when they tried to entrap Flynn) was either already talking, or was THINKING about talking? My guess is that if he was NOT talking, watching Yates try to entrap Flynn sealed the deal. Especially if Priestap observed shadiness on the 302.

      We let them take the knight (Flynn) with their queen (Yates), and then we took the queen. At that point, the fall of their side was inevitable. If Priestap was not clean, or had not turned already, he had to turn at that point.

      This ALL makes sense now. YATES is the dirty one. Priestap realized she was dirty.

      DIRTY FOR THE HAG.

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  34. A2 says:

    I have a different take on the Flynn ‘enigma’. Not that my opinion matters. I think in broad outline about the nefarious characters involved to take down the President, sundance is on target. However there are many niggling facts and interpretations that do not align. So forgive me.

    Obama, as revealed in the press, warned him about appointing Gen Flynn as a NSA head (he was an Obama appointee rapidly promoted to the head of DIA, and served during the Benghazi debacle). Any negative review from that POS, would have made DJT suspicious of his motives, thus solidifying his support for Flynn. However, in press statements by Susan Rice, she encouraged and defended Gen Flynn for the job as Trump’s head of her former job as NSA, wholeheartedly.

    VP Pence and other administration officials all went on public record to say no collusion based on others and Flynn’s assessments. It may have been not clear, but that is hindsight. I suspect, they did know that Flynn was, as head of NSA would be talking to foreign entities. Nothing wrong in that as sundance has said, normal and usual process. But what he said to the Russian ambassador came from him to them.

    The weird unexplainable stuff is that Flynn (remember a stellar intelligence officer in Iraq and Afghanistan thus promoted by Obama to be head of the DIA) suddenly by-passes McGhan, the administration counsel, fails to notify the President and chief of staff, that FBI personnel are coming to interview him. That is a red flag for any administration and more so considering the political witch hunt underway. Flynn knew he should have a lawyer or witness in on the discussion. Apparently not.

    OK, now into the murky upside down stuff. I suspect (don’t know) that the visit by the FBI cartel was not to trap Flynn but to tell him how the plan will unfold. He takes the hit on the ‘lying stuff’ and gets a reprieve on the more serious stuff they have on him, re: Turkey that also involves his son (who ran his Intel company). Remember Flynn also lied about his activities in his Flynn Intel group, by not filing financials or a FARA.

    My final point is, that until Flynn was nailed for ‘lying’ the Muh Russian narrative had no legs. It is at that point that a SC was appointed and the press went full bore after the President.

    OK I’ve had my say. Just my opinion.

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    • TreeperInTraining says:

      Ah…yes.

      You eloquently point out the unusualness (yes, I might have just made up a word?) of several of my “don’t get” issues outstanding on the Curious Case of Mike Flynn that I listed above.

      This guy is a “playa” something feels off.

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    • rf121 says:

      “Not that my opinion matters”.

      Your opinion provides insight that we may or may not agree with. But never say it does not matter. It adds to the stew.

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    • TreeperInTraining says:

      A2, I’ve always assumed that Flynn caved because the FBI was threatening to go after his son.

      I’d take a charge for any one of my four kids.

      So, maybe its THAT simple. Or maybe not.

      That interview without a lawyer is the most glaring of all the other niggling issues.

      Imho

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      • Bill says:

        My understanding is Genneral Flynn caved because he ran out money.

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        • A2 says:

          According to the published financial statements from his Flynn Intel group he had millions in the bank. I don’t think that means ‘running out of money’.

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      • Have Gun Will Travel says:

        You are on target – protection of his son was a key element.

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        • A2 says:

          I agree about ‘protecting his son’. Who would not do so. However, his son as his ‘chief of staff’ at the Flynn Intel group, would have had a sign-off or approval by his father. Gen Flynn would know what his son was doing, thus have approved it, unless the son was lying to him.

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      • Anonymous says:

        I wouldn’t confess to a crime I did not do to help a child of mine escape prosecution for a crime he did.

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        • A2 says:

          Yes. I would not do so either.

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        • Toronto Tonto says:

          In politics, spouses and relatives are often partners in crime. They launder money, hide kickbacks, etc. Maybe Flynn sold his house as a means of hiding things before he was investigated. He also didn’t want to reveal where he had all his assets hidden or dip into emergency funds. I think he knew they were coming for him, and I think he set up a trap. He worked in the Obama administration and knew how they operated. He might have even known who was dirty.

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    • Sayit2016 says:

      An intelligent thought process is always welcome here….everyone brings something to the table.

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    • navysquid says:

      A2…I appreciate your opinion and have followed you fairly closely. I believe by your moinker that you also have or had some MI background as I read your posts. I served under LTG Flynn and he is an outstanding individual.

      Obama and his Admin did NOT like LTG Flynn and as we all know the Admin was looking for a way to get rid of him that did not seem politically motivated, however, everything in DC is politically motivated in the last couple of decades.

      I do not see LTG Flynn as nothing more than an outstanding patriot that served his country well in Iraq, AFG, as DIA Head, and as PDJT National Security Guru. He truly thought outside of the box (re: Swamp) and that is why the dwellers did/do not like him…we Intel folks love him…

      I also agree with others and would love to see Pres Trump say: “After further consideration and facts that have come to light about the Mueller-Russia Investigation, and all we know about the Dossier, I hereby pardon LTG Flynn and restore him back to his original position. If any of you media-types do not like it, you can stick it because you’re nothing but Fake News anyway!”

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      • Have Gun Will Travel says:

        Roger all – and thoroughly concur.

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      • A2 says:

        Navysquid, the counter argument, not to Gen Flynn’s exemplary service in the past, is that Obama rapidly promoted him as head of DIA and that he served during the Benghazi debacle. I can not find any references to Flynn, as head of the the DIA, or his assessments that were coming down. After all, the Defense intelligence dept would be involved in the assessment, the rescue/ non rescue/ stand-down orders that made that a national tragedy.

        He was eventually pushed out at DIA, for a variety of reasons, some valid, some just frosting on the exit cake.

        All questions that need a bit of scrutiny.

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        • nimrodman says:

          “Defense intelligence dept would be involved in the assessment, the rescue/ non rescue/ stand-down orders that made that a national tragedy.”

          Dunno ’bout that.

          Wasn’t an important point that Sundance claimed in his Benghazi writings that the gun-running operation there was a Dept of State/CIA operation, and that they deliberately kept DOD out of the picture and essentially unbriefed?

          I’m only speaking from memory, I won’t look it all up just now, but that’s the clear impression I got at the time and that I’ve come away with.

          YMMV

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  35. Bill says:

    My Summary:

    If General Flynn’s lawyers, understood the following, would General Flynn have been charged. I think not.

    If I recall correctly, General Flynn was being question by the FBI because of the information obtained from the FISA request approved by the FISC based on a fake Dossier, provided by the FBI, DOJ, CIA and NSA through Fusion GPS and Steele.

    It follows for me, that the FISA Court authorization was unlawful since it was based on a Fake Document (i.e., Dossier). Therefore, the surveillance was unlawful because it was obtained/authorized from tainted documentation.

    So, the information obtained by the FBI (meetings) with Flynn was unlawful, and so were the charges.

    If I were General Flynn, I would sue the government damages.

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  36. HickTick says:

    They were searching for any contact with any russian they could leak to the media . They had Flynn wiretapped and he was the first russian connection they could make ., Yates almost knew it before it happened , it was all a set up . Media went crazy , leaks everywhere , The judge was the FISA warrant judge and CJ Roberts recused him .

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  37. Bill says:

    Separate but related issue:

    I think the FISA Court was granted with common sense. Any, common sense reading of the documentation provided by the FBI and DOJ on the Russian – Dossier should have raised serious questions of validity for the court. Apparently, not just once but four times.

    It also follows that the renewals spanned more than a year of time and 3 to 4 judges from this same court. So are we, to believe, that the Judges involved, never read a newspaper, or listen to a news report for almost a year, I think not!

    Why then, has corrective action on the part of the FISA court, after having learned of the source of the information (i.e., Dossier), not taken place?

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  38. Trey Dawg says:

    When the indictments come down and people are facing serious charges and jail time, some will flip (the early snitch gets the deal) and then things will open up a path to the elusive 44

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  39. Marygrace Powers says:

    Elimination of General Mike Flynn was a
    PREMEDITATED HIT by H.W. Bush.

    Considerable blow to the new President Trump/Transition
    Team. General Mike Flynn was a total MAGA from day one.
    General Flynn gave great momentum to the new Administration
    and H. W. Bush wanted him OUT.

    What about the following:

    January 15, 2017
    CBS John Dickerson, Deep State controlled, executes Bush order.
    Set VP Mike Pence’s for a statement re NO CONTACT/RUSSIANS etc.

    February 5, 2017
    Former President George H.W. Bush flips coin at Houston’s Super Bowl
    By Mihir Zaveri

    “A beaming James Baker III, the former secretary of state, and Vice President Mike Pence applauded from a suite. Bush was to join Texas owner Robert McNair in a suite for part of the game.”

    1https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Former-President-George-H-W-Bush-flips-coin-at-10910468.php

    Remember the photos. (scroll down link)

    https://heavy.com/sports/2017/02/mike-pence-super-bowl-51-2017-photos-james-baker-george-h-w-bush-trump-barbara-karen-vice-president/

    We all wondered why VP Pence would meet with the Bush Cabal.
    Strange. Plus the photos obvious signal to now President Trump.
    H.W. Bush made VP Pence an offer he could not refuse….
    Get rid of General Flynn ASAP/ Make it happen.
    (Flynn was gone after only 24 days)

    February 06, 2017 03:05 PM ( Obvious negative Baker article next day)

    Reagan’s Chief of Staff Jim Baker Assesses Trump Presidency So Far: ‘We Have Allies That Are Just Scared to Death’/

    “As a presidential candidate, Donald Trump sold himself as a successful businessman and deal-maker who gets things done. But former Secretary of State and White House Chief of Staff James A. Baker III warns that “running a business and running the government are two entirely different functions.”

    http://people.com/politics/jim-baker-assesses-trump-presidency/

    February 13, 2017,
    “Flynn resigned as National Security Advisor, following news reports about his communications with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak and additional reports that he had misled the Vice President about them.[103] Flynn’s 24-day tenure as National Security Advisor was the shortest in the 63-year history of the office.[11] Those communications he had with the Russian ambassador were unmasked and leaked to the press.[104]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

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      • Toronto Tonto says:

        Good info here. Remember Manafort pushed Pence on Trump by faking a plane emergency landing in Indiana around the time of the decisive primary. Pence had endorsed Bush stooge Cruz, and Trump was still going to win. Pence was the establishment’s guy on the inside. When Katie Walsh was fired for leaking, Pence gave her a job (fundraising for his 2020 campaign). Katie Walsh had ties to British GCHQ, too. These were the traitors.

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    • Bill says:

      You need more proof than photos and a meeting?

      “We all wondered why VP Pence would meet with the Bush Cabal.
      Strange. Plus the photos obvious signal to now President Trump.
      H.W. Bush made VP Pence an offer he could not refuse….
      Get rid of General Flynn ASAP/ Make it happen.
      (Flynn was gone after only 24 days)”

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      I think they were just casting some shade on Pence, just like the “Ryno Coup” over the Billy Bush tape, when Ryno tried to lure Pence to appear with HIM, instead of a Trump rally, at the moment they thought they had gotten rid of Trump.

      The Bush/Romney/UniPartyRight/NWO cabal wants Pence to APPEAR on their team, so they try to have him nearby at a moment of weakening Trump. I think it’s a form of “getting him on their side” by making it SEEM like he’s on their side.

      What has happened is that Pence is very honest, and accepted Trump’s offer to join TRUMP’S team honestly. Pence will never do anything dishonest, despite his establishment-friendly background. The establishment “wants him back” at the moment they take out Trump – at whatever time that becomes possible. They don’t NEED Pence on their team now – they just want to make sure Pence lets them ensconce him with dirtballs, like they did with Reagan.

      I hope that Trump has some “MAGA succession orders” that keep the snakes from surrounding Pence with slimy characters, should there be badness. The SNAKES would be waiting to jump. A thousand garden hoes to defend MAGA!!! 😉

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      • Marygrace Powers says:

        Right, the trap was set for Flynn. Events already in motion –
        DOJ,FBI etc. shown above. Optics are everything/Pence was
        invited to throw shade on President Trump/ that makes sense.
        Good take Pence out of the equation.

        No doubt in my mind that H.W. Bush set this all in motion. I’m
        looking for the BIG FISH to go down. The UNRAVELING continues…

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          YES – smart thinking. Don’t just take pence out of the equation – look at the remainder and go OMG.

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          • Marygrace Powers says:

            “Two taken three shaken” prophecy by Mark Taylor works for me on
            some despicable remaining ‘heavy hitters’ in the Deep State cabal.

            “Taylor said that God told him that because of their supposed attack on Trump, “the covenant that these five presidents have had with that entity called Baal—because Baal is the strongman over America—is going to be broken. And then He said, ‘Two of these ex-presidents will be taken and and three will be shaken.’”

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    • A2 says:

      Ok. But Flynn was fired by President Trump. Flynn pled to lying (under no coercion. Read his statement from his plea).

      This is on his head, not VP Pence, nor anyone else.The Bushes were hors de combat by that time.

      Stop beating a dead horse. Unless you like the exercise.

      The unmasking, the surveillance on the Trump campaign, Trump president -elect and then President are the real issues.

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  40. When is General Flynn going to be exonerated? ENOUGH of this BS!

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  41. Deplore Able says:

    A different spin on this. As a young lawyer I worked on a case in which we discovered a fatal flaw in the opponent’s case. My first reaction was to tell my boss: “Go tell the other side we got em by the balls.” My boss told me I was foolish. You don’t tell the opponent what you know. You get to choose the time and the place and the manner in which you disclose what you know. Let the opponent make a fool of himself in front of the judge. Then you hit him with the truth.

    Only eight days after the election, Admiral Rogers disclosed to PDJT that he was under surveillance. PDJT knew he was being set up. He knew the opponent’s goal was to entrap him in an impeachable offense. He could have gone public immediately, just as I wanted to immediately tell our opponent that we we knew his case was flawed. But that would have been a mistake. It was a much better strategy to draw the opponent deeper and deeper into the lie. Let the opponent dig a deep pit into which he would eventually fall. Only then do you spring the trap and push the opponent into the pit.

    Consider the possibility that General Flynn intentionally took the fall. Not because Flynn was guilty of anything, but because the time to spring the trap was not yet ripe. In January 2017, PDJT first had to get control of the intelligence community. He had to get his guys confirmed as head of CIA and ODNI. He had to get rid of Comey. He had to get Sessions confirmed as Attorney General. In January, 2017, Admiral Rogers was the only one in the Intelligence Community PDJT could trust.

    Next you develop a plan. It turns out OIG Horowitz is a good guy and is developing evidence from within the FBI/DOJ, but he needs time to finish his work. A lot of the evidence you need to reveal the opponents wrongdoing is classified. You must find a way to declassify the evidence. Wouldn’t it be great to use the legislative branch to help with the declassification; i.e. Nunes, Grassley, Goodlatte. Wouldn’t it be great if some dem idiot like Schiff would cooperate and dig the pit deeper and deeper. In the meantime, the MSM refuses to seek the truth, which will, in the end, destroy their credibility.

    Could it be that the forces of darkness have inadvertently given PDJT the chance of a lifetime? Has PDJT been given the perfect opportunity to drain the swamp? It is almost too good to be true. Pray the God will allow the plan to succeed.

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    • Bill says:

      I suppose it a matter of battle strategy. I like to see my opponents think they have options.

      “Let the opponent dig a deep pit into which he would eventually fall. Only then do you spring the trap and push the opponent into the pit.”

      I can wait, thanks!

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Agree completely. TIMING is everything, and WAITING is typically OPTIMAL.

      Trump is such a master player of these games, that he can win at championship levels at NEW games, just by having watched them.

      Every day that goes by, Trump owns more of the game, and they own less. WAITING has served Trump’s interest, NOT THEIRS.

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    • Anonymous says:

      It is one thing to not let your opponenent know what you have. It is another thing to make a false confession (which is a lie) for tactical reasons.

      There is no 7d chess. They set Flynn up and he fell for it.

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      • Deplore Able says:

        Perhaps, but sometimes a strategic retreat is the best course of action. You may sacrifice some troops in a delaying action to allow the bulk of your force to reach defendable ground and await reinforcement.
        PDJT was in no position to fight in January 2017. Clapper, Brennan, Comey and Yates were still in positions of power., but their days were numbered.

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    • A2 says:

      I have thought about this, your explanation. but there are certain facts that do not support it.

      I do not know, by any means, but Flynn, if a fall guy, did not fall in the direction you suggest.

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  42. Hillyard says:

    I hope by the end of all of the Obama Admin corruption prosecutions, Gen Flynn has withdrawn his guilty plea and is able to recover his financial losses incurred defending himself from malicious prosecution. It’s getting so you need a score card to keep track of the felonies committed by Obama’s swamp rats. Next to come will be Brennen’s orgastration of the London meeting between popodopulus & clinton crony Alexander Downer

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  43. Have Gun Will Travel says:

    In addition to trying to link LTG Mike Flynn to the “russia collusion” as part of their campaign to bring down/weaken President Trump, there was a personal aspect to this.
    As Director of the DIA, LTG Flynn told the truth to Obama and crew regarding their political BS around a couple of key topics, not the least of which was the growth of ISIS – and our nations need to seriously address it. This was done internally through the IC – not publically. Obama took this as an affront. Others, both high ranking and fervent Obama and Clinton supporters, were incensed by his “Lock her up” call at the Republican convention, and his follow on vocal support for then candidate Donald Trump.
    To a malignant narcicissist like Obama (and Clinton for that matter), that was a personal insult that could not go unchallenged. If there were no “Russia”, they would likely have pursued him on something else.

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  44. Keebler AC says:

    In retrospect, we know that the FBI was compromised. Flynn knew that the FBI had become politicized and corrupt under the Obama admin. Protecting yourself from the Stasi is a completely different matter from lying to an uncompromised FBI department. Flynn’s case will be thrown out as fruit of the poisonous tree.

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  45. Who the Hell is this Mary McCord snatch? WTF!

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  46. John Matrix says:

    It really is quite amazing to now look back over the last year, how radically President Trump has flipped the entire political battlefield. The entire swamp felt so confident that they would quickly roll over President Trump. He has cut them apart like a samurai, they are without arms, ears, a nose ( for fun), and is working on the second leg. That dirty cop, bob Mueller along with his shitheel gang were supposed to have delivered President Trump’s head by now. Instead dirty bob is wearing nothing but s**t stained drawers, peeking out his window, contemplating ruefully his dealings with uranium one.
    Hell, President Trump even got that pansy Lindsey to join the posse.
    Cold anger, it gets s**t done.

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  47. David says:

    Consider this. Flynn did not lie during his FBI interview. Comey confirmed this in his behind-closed-doors testimony to Congress in March 2017 (per Byron York’s article). But McCabe, who has been previously accused of telling FBI agents to modify their 302’s, told Strzok (who interviewed Flynn) to modify his 302 so that it looked like Flynn had lied. McCabe has also been accused of saying (on a conference call) that they would screw Flynn first, and then screw Trump (I cleaned that up a bit). One of Muller’s prosecutors picked up the “modified” 302 and decided to aggressively prosecute Flynn. But when the IG found the text messages about “modified” 302’s, Muller knew his case against Flynn was trashed – and asked for Flynn’s sentencing hearing to be postponed.

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    • Anonymous says:

      The case may or may not be trashed. Don’t lose vigilance. They could just be delaying sentencing while Flynn works out some more plea deal.

      Also even if the case is trashed, that doesn’t mean Flynn hasn’t confessed to lying. (Whether or not he serves a sentence.)

      Don’t get me wrong, I think they st him up and did a lot of illegal wiretapping. But Flynn doesn’t sound clean.

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      • David says:

        I agree that there may be things in Flynn’s past that he would like to keep in his past. But they were not mentioned in his court documents. Only perjury. Once he made an allocution to the crime of perjury, there were no more plea deals to be worked out. He gave up his right to appeal. His only hope is that there was malfeasance on the part of the prosecutor, and even then, it may be difficult to convince a judge to throw out the case.

        There are many reasons why someone confesses to a crime – one of which is, they are guilty. Another is that they were coerced. I would not discount that tactic by one of Muller’s prosecutors.

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        • David says:

          One more thought. It was only after FBI Director Wray read the IG’s report that he kicked McCabe to the curb. If what he read about was McCabe asking an agent to modify a 302, that would explain his action.

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  48. Charlotte says:

    Flynn was illegally ummasked. You can’t unmask US citizens caught in 702 foreign surveillance WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE OF A CRIME. Flynn was illegally ummasked: his raw surveilance disseminated through IC. OBAMA E.O. #12333

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    • Charlotte says:

      1/12/17 “Previously, the NSA shared data with these agencies only after it had screened the data, filtering out unnecessary personal information, including about innocent people whose communications were swept up the NSA’s massive surveillance operations”
      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

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      • Charlotte says:

        Evelyn Farkas did a bang up job explaining on national television how she warned everyone in all 16 agencies to “get as much raw intelligence as you can before the new administration figures out how we did it and can burry it.” Thanks, Evie!

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        • Charlotte says:

          Melissa Riley
          ‏ @honeybee7885
          43m43 minutes ago

          All M. Flyyn’s phone calls with Kislyak were PRIOR TO Obama’s signing of the executive order, so he was DEFINITELY Illegally unmasked, The first story leaked to the press about Flyyn’s phone calls? 1/12/17, the day the EO was signed. What a coincidence.

          Timeline: What We Now Know About
          Flynn’s Phone Calls With Russia

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  49. AKM says:

    Higher in the thread people debate whether Obama will be indicted. If he knew the Steele Dossier was the origin of the Trump Russia “collusion”, and he knew it was false, he levied sanctions on Russia, on Dec 28, 2016, on false pretenses. I’m not a lawyer, but does that involve a crime?

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