December 7th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #322

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2,011 Responses to December 7th – 2017 Presidential Politics – Trump Administration Day #322

  1. Pam says:

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  2. zephyrbreeze says:

    Saw this in a comment:

    It’s ALL Federal employees. My relative retired age 55 at 90% pension and health insurance for life. He works as a contractor for the Federal government and expects to get another 90% pension on that job. Then he will work five years to pay into Social Security and end up with a whopping THREE retirement check all on the backs of the taxpayers. Thousands upon thousands of people are pulling this scam and nothing will ever stop it.

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    • mimbler says:

      I believe you saw that in a comment, but I don’t believe the commenter. The old “good” federal retirement went away long ago (1986 except for those grandfathered before then). The new system basically gives you 1 percent of your salary for each year you’ve worked. So a typical 30 year career would give you a 30 percent of your salary retirement. That is supplemented by SS which you pay into, and any 401K savings you put into the gov fund (where they match a little).

      So no complaints, as lots of jobs don’t have pensions anymore, but it isn’t like the old days of retiring at 80 percent of pay.

      And contractors are just private businesses working for the government, and a private business pension of 90 percent when he started at age 55, doesn’t seem real. need 10 years of paying into ss to get that, and it won’t be much at 10 years.

      Now, I’ll be the first to say that a lot of Feds shouldn’t be paid anything (and a lot fully earn their salary).

      But these urban legends about their retirement abound for whatever reason.

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      • Somebody says:

        Haha Mimbler I was busting the urban myth too.

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      • Somebody says:

        By the by Mimbler that 30% in the new pension plan is only a bridge. The federal employee gets that only until they are eligible for social security. Then social security replaces that, but yes they have their 401K money.

        Most can retire at 55 with 30 years service so that bridge is for those years. I know Congress has talked about upping that to 62 and 30 years for new hires. I think they changed that a couple of years ago but I’m not 100% certain.

        I am 100% certain that if a retiree goes to work after retiring if they earn one penny more than $16,920 per year they lose $1 for every $2 they earn over that limit. They lose their “bridge” pension. The retirees under the old CSRS defined benefit are not bound by an earning limit, but most of them are getting on up in age.

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    • Somebody says:

      Zephyr that is absolutely NOT true. Federal law mandates the highest pension for ANY federal employee EVER shall not exceed 80% of their high 3 year average while working. (The exception being POTUS and VPOTUS only those 2)

      In order to attain that percentage a federal employee would need to have a 42 year career. So unless your relative started working for the federal government at age of 13, which is impossible he didn’t work 42 years. BTW in order to participate in CSRS which is the old defined benefit plan, he had to have been hired prior to 1984. Reagan did away with that and switched federal employees to a 401K type plan and SS.

      ALSO he will not get much of a social security check if he is CSRS unless he has 30 years of work OUTSIDE the government. Anything less than that and his social security is cut by 2/3rd. Once again this is mandated by federal law and was part of a revamping of social security and federal pensions back in the 80’s under Reagan.

      As for the contractor job, indeed many of them pay well if you know the right people but I’m not aware of any that offer any kind of defined benefit pension anymore except maybe at the executive level.

      Also he paid a portion of his salary his entire career and his employer matched that amount. His pension is drawn from that fund, which on paper is solvent but in reality is probably a bunch of IOU’s. Obama borrowed from that fund several times during government shut downs. All of this information is readily available. In fact you can look up just about any federal employee’s pay. All information regarding pay, pension and benefits is available on a variety of government websites, start with OPM they have the most information, next Congress then each individual agency, it is all public information.

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    • William Friday Buckley's Ghost says:

      Even under the old retirement plan CSRS it was basically 2% a year times years of service minus 4. So with 30 years of service you’d get 56% of your high three. Not bad but you’d also not get social security unless you had 10 years of private employment and the government would scalp $430 a month off that to boot. Like the other posters have said…it’s not bad compared to most but it’s not 90% either!”


  3. Pam says:

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  4. Ivehadit says:

    Dislike what Lindsay Vonn said about our president today? Call her sponsor, Red Bull.
    Here is a Red Bull phone number: 1-800-378-016. You can leave a message.


  5. Regina says:

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  6. phoenixRising says:

    via zeroHedge

    Crackdown Comes To Wall Street: Morgan Stanley Fires Harold Ford Jr Over Alleged Sexual Misconduct

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  7. TexasRanger says:

    Rep Gohmert Questions FBI Director Christopher Wray…..

    Gohmert Says Muller Weakened The FBI With His “5 Year Up or Out” Policy

    Muller Got Rid of Veteran FBI Agents and He Replaced Them With Younger People “Yes” Men Type.

    This is what Louie Gohmert is referring to…

    In 2007 Veteran FBI agents banded together in a pending class-action lawsuit against the bureau, challenging an order forcing supervisors to move to the FBI’s Washington headquarters after five years in the field or step down.

    The order, known to the agents as five years up or out, has been met with widespread criticism, with supervisory agents saying it reduces the FBI’s ability to target, arrest and prosecute criminals, including terrorists.

    The order was issued in June 2004 by FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to fill what he called a critical shortage of vacancies at FBI headquarters and to broaden the expertise of managers within the bureau as it reorganized in the wake of September 11.

    Read The Full Story;

    Video 05:19 Minutes Dec-07-2017;

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  8. paulraven1 says:

    I note that our esteemed pismire of a former president, still on some delusionary world tour, is making coy and invidious comparisons between President Trump and Hitler. I was thinking, wouldn’t it be nice if Republicans had a grand old respectable figure who could step in in moments like this and smack down Obama, put him in his place? But we really have nobody outside of Trump, and he can’t do everything. The Bushes are much worse than useless. Bob Dole might perform this function, but I’m guessing he’s not paying attention or, like most GOPers, doesn’t care what anybody says about his party’s president. We really have nobody looking out for Trump or us. Without Trump, we’re bereft.

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  9. Pam says:

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  10. Pam says:

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  12. booger71 says:

    CR passed in Senate

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  13. Regina says:


  14. Like

  15. Pam says:

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  16. W-D says:

    While at this point it’s not possible to verify and the MLS listing # came up as “No Results”, a commenter on an Angry Al resigns story in one of our two local lefty fishwrappers said Angry Al’s house in Mpls/St. Paul was already listed for sale. True or not, I still find that news amusing.

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  17. Regina says:

    Can a sitting President sue an outgoing Senator for defamation or slander?
    Honest question

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  18. Pam says:

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  19. wheatietoo says:

    Franken’s little whine today is not going over well at all.
    So far it’s a Big Fail.

    Franken didn’t really apologize for anything he’d done…and he telegraphed What The Dems Are Really Up To with all this housecleaning.
    — Going after PTrump.

    In case it doesn’t show up, this is what Wictor was replying to:

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  20. Pam says:


  21. Gil says:

    Our California fires are unbelievable. The winds are crazy, over 60 mph and its December. Fire nearby thats evacuating, structures burning. Water dropping planes flying constantly, right over my house. Wind direction is southwest but the smoke is still so dense and not sure which way the fire is moving. Winds picking up too.
    Not the Christmas present I want for anyone.

    “Donald J. Trump

    Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the path of California’s wildfires. I encourage everyone to heed the advice and orders of local and state officials. THANK YOU to all First Responders for your incredible work! ”

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    • FofBW says:

      I lived through two big Ca fires. Prayers are with you and your family!!

      Liked by 4 people

    • Regina says:

      We had a fire in Oregon that started on Sept. 2 – it was finally 100% contained on Nov 30th. Fires are scary as hell (no pun intended)

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    • paulraven1 says:

      Sorry to hear, best wishes. I left California in October after 30 years. I will never miss the Santa Ana’s, the devil winds.

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    • kinthenorthwest says:

      Except for a house fire when I was 10, I was very blessed to not be in the path or close proximity of a California fire. I lived some very isolated, & wooded areas.
      The 405 area where the fires are now are roads I traveled often when I lived in Manhathan Beach, but during my time I don’t think the fires ever got that far south or west. I do believe that those fires are closer than they have been since the Bellaire fires of the 60s.


      • Gil says:

        I am shocked to see where they have been burning. Really. I rwad about a horse boarding ranch in the valley that left all the horses to burn in their corrals. But the owners took theirs are evacuated. The owners should be run completely out of business and prosecuted if warranted.

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        • kinthenorthwest says:

          Cannot believe that that is so sick

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          • G. Combs says:

            What the heck could they do???
            The horses were NOT THEIRS!
            They not only had NO RIGHT to turn them loose or move them, they had no way of moving them. That was up to the OWNERS. — SHEESH

            P.S. With one exception NONE of the places I bordered at had more than a two horse trailer owned by the stable owner. The exception was a breeding stable that did A rated shows and had a 6 horse trailer. ALL the stables had at least 25 horses and one, with NO TRAILERS had fifty.


            If we had ta must evacuate situation where I am, I would be scrambling to try and get my stock out of the area plus my neighbor’s. 5 trips for my livestock (thank goodness they all load into a trailer easily) plus another three for my neighbor’s and that does not include the cows…

            Then where in heck do you take them???

            I am very sorry for the animals, but without knowing what the people were up against it is wrong to condemn them.
            Fire/authorities blocked return.
            Owners were to show and never did….

            And yes I have considered the situation because we had a very bad drought and fires near me.


    • Deborah @UnTamedInSD says:

      Be safe! I live in an area prone to forest fires too, I get really nervous every summer/fall
      especially drought years like this one. – we used to live on a 100 acre ranch that was basically the valley with ridges all around , two ways out but if there had been a big fire it might of cut me off. We have horses and other animals too so i was very nervous on how to get us all out ok.- I miss the views of that place but i am happy to be out of there too.

      The black hills does such a great job managing our forests which keep them smaller (usually) now. I know back in the day we’ve had big ones but i have never experienced what you all are going through !
      Scary stuff!

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  22. Regina says:

    CNN is running wild with some “new” email that has to do with Don Jr’s meeting –

    Remember when Podesta/DNC originally said that their emails had been faked? Wonder if this is another case of them accusing others of what they’re doing themselves?


  23. Regina says:

    Judge recuses in Michael Flynn case
    The former Trump national security adviser will be sentenced by Clinton appointee Emmet Sullivan.

    President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, will face a different judge to be sentenced than the one who took Flynn’s guilty plea to a felony false statement charge last week, court records show.

    Judge Emmet Sullivan was randomly assigned to take over the case after Judge Rudolph Contreras recused himself.

    A court spokeswoman confirmed to POLITICO that the reassignment of the case was due to Contreras’ recusal, but did not immediately respond to a query about the reason.

    Sullivan is an appointee of President Bill Clinton, while Contreras was appointed by President Barack Obama.


  24. Regina says:

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  25. Regina says:

    So the story on Franks is that he discussed his/wife’s fertility issues with staffers, and that’s considered harassment? Something not adding up there – and if he said he was resigning 1/31, why are they opening an ethics investigation?


  26. kinthenorthwest says:

    Just had to share with you all…

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  27. Regina says:

    Notice how #MeToo has subtly managed to undermine the American Justice system?
    No more Innocent until proven guilty – now it’s Innocent until your name hits CNN

    Liked by 5 people

    • Oldschool says:

      If the accused are innocent and developed a spine, like trump and moore, not step down and force their accusers to take legal action, this crap would stop. As long as accusers are getting the response they want, it will keep coming.


    • joninmd22 says:

      You mean status Quo for conservative white men?


  28. Sandra-VA says:

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  29. Pam says:

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    • Howie says:

      No male should hire female staff. Just in case. Segregation comes. It is the end game of Social Justice. Human Nature can not be legislated. Separate but equal is the result.

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      • Sylvia Avery says:

        Women could also only wear a black bag that covers them from head to toe and only allows a slit covered with mesh for their eyes to peep through.

        And because we cannot take care of ourselves, or make good decisions for ourselves about who to work for and who not, we should be relieved of the responsibility of having to enter out into the world. We should be able to remain at home and only be escorted out of the home by a male family member so that our honor is protected.

        Or we can buy a handgun, train ourselves how to use it properly, get a CCW permit, and be willing to kill our own snakes so to speak.

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  30. Pam says:

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  31. Pam says:


  32. wheatietoo says:

    You would think that Red Bull would not want to piss off people in Red States.

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  33. Regina says:

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    • Howie says:

      Another public private partnership. All public private partnerships are crooked.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Deborah @UnTamedInSD says:

      I have a feeling they will be getting financially knee capped soon.. buh bye hud..
      hello Wolverines

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      • Oldschool says:

        Get rid of hud. Urban development is an utter disaster and scam. Hud has done NOTHING but shakedown working landowners. When my dad passed, sold his commercial property in an “urban enterprise zone”. The transaction was between principles only. No realtors, no banks, no loans, just attorneys representing buyer/seller. Arrived at closing to find a strange woman at the table. Asked my attorney who she was. “Oh, she’s from Hud”. She was there to skim a percentage off the top of the deal. What triggered a notification to Hud? I believe a deed transfer, but still not sure. Disgusting.


    • Kaco says:

      Is this the slush fund that Sessions had shut down?


  34. Howie says:

    Rosey iz de Dirty Bird.

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  35. duchess01 says:

    WHAT’S HAPPENING – 12/06/2017 (2) and 12/07/2017


  36. Gil says:

    Multiple houses burning in the fire now. I guess county fire decided to push the planes because i just had about 6 flyovers of water and retardant. It was a month ago we had a forest fire. This one is really bearing down on small ranches and the burbs. Im hoping they can keep flying, its getting dark. Over 40 agencues, but less than 300 firefighters, everyone spread thin.

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  37. Pam says:

    This is interesting.

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  38. Sandra-VA says:

    It is not just “muh Russia” and “impeach45” that President Trump is having to deal with… it is EVERY thing he does under attack, including hedges around his properties:

    There is an ARMY of “reporters” and “activists” going after everything Trump and trying to utterly destroy him… all because he dared to win a Presidential Election.

    There has got to be a reckoning with Lefty America. This cannot continue.

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  39. Regina says:

    more Sessions doing “nothing”

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  40. Regina says:

    Q is posting on 56
    (one reason I pay attention to Q is because Trump tweeted the magapill website the day they had Q as a banner article…maybe intentional, maybe not?)


    • Sandra-VA says:

      Is there a link? I have no idea how to follow all this, but it is made harder when people post stuff and offer no link to said stuff 😉

      Liked by 3 people

      • Regina says:

        Hi Sandra – the actual source requires some digging, you have to go to the 8chan boards and look for the tripcode. I don’t want to post that link here because who knows who is tracking what and I’d rather not be the one to drag this blog on the radar (any more than it already is)

        Before I started reading the actual boards, I got most of my information by going to youtube and searching for ‘Q anon’ (there are links for 4 chan – I ignore those as Q doesn’t post there anymore). Tracy Beanz covers a lot of it, but there are many others who just post a video reading the updates (also a lot who provide their own analysis, much of which I consider baloney). It’s best to filter the youtube search results to ‘today’ or ‘last hour’ to get the latest (thousands of vids) – this would be my first recommendation

        there are also twitter hashtags, but be forewarned that they have a lot of pedo stuff (pics) and I have a really hard time with those visuals so I avoid them whenever possible – but once you learn how to recognize the format you can spot the updates pretty well. This tweet shows a Q post, also the hashtags

        not trying to sound like “I know something you don’t” – I just don’t want to bring a ddos attack or something onto this site. Hope this helps

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  41. Pam says:

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  42. Sandra-VA says:

    Some of us knew this was the plan all along…

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  43. Pam says:

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  44. Patriot1783 says:

    Big story the Tree followed… guess jury didnt consider where Officer Slager’s tazer was nor his state of mind when the suspect Scott was on top of him. Sounds like he had a lawyer similar to Zimmerman’s lawyer 😞

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  45. Sandra-VA says:

    KSA has been sending aid into Yemen… yet we keep hearing about no aid going in.

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  46. Nchadwick says:

    Trent Franks – Rep Arizona Statement

    Congressman Trent Franks statement on leaving Congress
    I have always tried to create a very warm and supportive atmosphere for every last
    person who has ever worked in my congressional office. It is my deepest
    conviction that there are many staffers, former and present, who would readily
    volunteer to substantiate this fact.

    Given the nature of numerous allegations and reports across America in recent
    weeks, I want to first make one thing completely clear. I have absolutely never
    physically intimidated, coerced, or had, or attempted to have, any sexual contact
    with any member of my congressional staff.

    However, I do want to take full and personal responsibility for the ways I have
    broached a topic that, unbeknownst to me until very recently, made certain
    individuals uncomfortable. And so, I want to shed light on how those conversations
    came about.

    My wife and I have long struggled with infertility. We experienced three

    We pursued adoption on more than one occasion only to have the adoptive mothers
    in each case change their mind prior to giving birth.

    A wonderful and loving lady, to whom we will be forever grateful, acted as a
    gestational surrogate for our twins and was able to carry them successfully to live
    birth. The process by which they were conceived was a pro-life approach that did
    not discard or throw away any embryos.

    My son and daughter are unspeakable gifts of God that have brought us our
    greatest earthly happiness in the 37 years we have been married.
    When our twins were approximately 3 years old, we made a second attempt with a
    second surrogate who was also not genetically related to the child. Sadly, that
    pregnancy also resulted in miscarriage.

    We continued to have a desire to have at least one additional sibling, for which our
    children had made repeated requests.

    Due to my familiarity and experience with the process of surrogacy, I clearly
    became insensitive as to how the discussion of such an intensely personal topic
    might affect others.

    I have recently learned that the Ethics Committee is reviewing an inquiry regarding
    my discussion of surrogacy with two previous female subordinates, making each
    feel uncomfortable. I deeply regret that my discussion of this option and process in
    the workplace caused distress.

    We are in an unusual moment in history – there is collective focus on a very
    important problem of justice and sexual impropriety. It is so important that we get
    this right for everyone, especially for victims.

    But in the midst of this current cultural and media climate, I am deeply convinced I
    would be unable to complete a fair House Ethics investigation before distorted and
    sensationalized versions of this story would put me, my family, my staff, and my
    noble colleagues in the House of Representatives through hyperbolized public
    excoriation. Rather than allow a sensationalized trial by media damage those things
    I love most, this morning I notified House leadership that I will be leaving
    Congress as of January 31st, 2018. It is with the greatest sadness, that for the sake
    of the causes I deeply love, I must now step back from the battle I have spent over
    three decades fighting. I hope my resignation will remain distinct from the great
    gains we have made. My time in Congress serving my constituents, America and
    the Constitution is and will remain one of God’s greatest gift to me in life.

    Franks would have been up for re-election in 2018. His seat has typically been seen as a “safe” Republican district — last year, Democrats didn’t even run a challenger against him.

    Per Arizona statutes, the state will now have to call a special election in order to replace Franks.

    Three Democrats — Hiral Tipirneni, Brianna Westbrook, and Judith McHale — had filed paperwork to run against Franks prior to his announcement. All are political newcomers, so expect some bigger names to enter the race soon.

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    • If this a **Completely** honest statement..

      “Due to my familiarity and experience with the process of surrogacy, I clearly
      became insensitive as to how the discussion of such an intensely personal topic
      might affect others.”

      I can ONLY say prayers for this Mans Family.. Though I can see WHY, in the current climate I would resign..
      He was asking to “impregnate” these women, via in-virto (Have I got this correct?)..
      Or in a round-a-bout way..

      I dunno..
      Though I read the statement.. I’m inclined to believe that, He is telling the truth..
      But, what do I know..

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  47. Nchadwick says:

    Earlier this week —
    Seven Protesters Arrested at John McCain’s Office While Demanding ‘Clean’ Dream Act

    Undocumented Students for Education Equity at ASU, organized the sit-in along with the Our Dream campaign, a coalition of left-leaning groups including Progressive Democrats of America.

    They’d initially hoped to hold the protest inside the senator’s office, but were denied access by a staffer.

    Instead, they settled for sitting in the building’s lobby, blocking the doors to McCain’s office, despite repeated warnings from a security guard that they were trespassing on private property.

    After roughly two hours, Phoenix police officers arrived and took them into custody.

    The protesters arrested are:

    • Dan O’Neal, Arizona state coordinator for Progressive Democrats of Arizona.
    • Emily Kirkland, co-director of ProgressNow Arizona.
    • Jake Bell, co-founder of the Phoenix chapter of Democratic Socialists of America and a candidate for the Arizona Corporation Commission.
    • Patrick Morales, vice president of the Tempe Elementary School District board and current candidate for Tempe City Council.
    • Johnny Martin, a candidate for state representative in Legislative District 25.
    • Redeem Robinson, a candidate for state senator in Legislative District 30.
    • Camaron Stevenson, who, according to his LinkedIn profile, works in marketing at Arizona PBS.

    All seven protesters were charged with criminal trespassing. They were released from the 4th Avenue jail at close to 12 a.m. the next morning after supporters raised over $1,600 for their bail.


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  48. Pam says:

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