Monday October 23rd – Open Thread

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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214 Responses to Monday October 23rd – Open Thread

  1. citizen817 says:

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    • Janie M. says:

      citizen817, and people would dress in their Sunday best to fly.

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      • Grandma Covfefe says:

        And to go to the market, too.

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        • Janie M. says:

          And I remember when there was a time you wouldn’t go to the supermarket in rollers. BUT… remember those juice can rollers in the 60’s? 😆

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          • Grandma Covfefe says:

            Oh, my goodness! I forgot about the juice rollers. I still have my BIGly rollers! We weren’t allow to wear pants to school-only dresses, but I’d slip on my short under my dress, or culottes. Hysterical.

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            • Janie M. says:

              I loved culottes!! Yes, my high school had a dress/skirt dress code also. I think I was a sophomore (’67) when they finally relented and let us wear pants in winter only (NM does get cold) since a number of us had to walk around the perimeter of a huge plowed field (they planted cotton in the spring) to get to school … lived too close to catch the bus. Everyone didn’t have access to a car in the late 60’s.

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              • Grandma Covfefe says:

                Our schools didn’t allow pants til 1969 and only on Fridays, calling them Casual Fridays. Demin jeans were not allowed, tho’. Our dress code was very strict. Our school counselor went around campus with a ruler, measuring the hemlines of our dresses/skirts. LOL

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                • Janie M. says:

                  Yes!!! NO short hems. They had the kneeling test in my school – your hem had to touch the floor when you kneeled. I also remember they suspended a boy at my school for a few days because he wore an earring (pierced ear). And his older sister was on the pom-pom squad – horrors, shame! 😆

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            • auscitizenmom says:

              We weren’t allowed to wear pants and it got really cold at the bus stop in the winter when it was windy and 30*. Also, my coat was what they call a jacket Up North. 🙄

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          • Lost in Vegas says:

            Trying to sleep in brush rollers. Definitely it was a form of torture. How did we ever survive?

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          • Homesteader says:

            Airline staff dressed better too.

            Back on the ground…so did mail carriers. I can’t stand the sight of those sloppy uniforms, especially the summer shorts. What are they made out of, packing material?

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            • Gary says:

              Funny you should mention mail carriers. Most don’t know it but there was a time in the United States when you could send a child through the mail…yes I said child. Somewhere out there on this vast internety thingy are photo’s.

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          • pacnwbel says:

            I love reading these threads which so often stir a vivid memory. When I arrived in the Us in1969 and discovered the wonders of supermarkets with carts and wide aisles and easy parking, I also remember the shock of seeing lady shoppers adorned with a crown of rollers sometimes covered with a bandana type head scarf, dressed in a loose colorful tent dress and pink fluffy slippers for footwear. Culture shock indeed.

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      • GAPTOG says:

        And a ball game!

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      • kinthenorthwest says:

        Miss those days ins a way. Look at how many dress, even in nice eating places …

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    • Wend says:

      That is so danged cute!

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    • Bakokitty says:

      Yikes! Terrible idea if the plane hits and air pocket !

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    • millwright says:

      Ahem….all you have to do is notice the style of dress of the passengers ! Sadly, I can recall the days when air travel was – if not an elegant, at least a genteel experience – where everyone put on their best duds and manners ! But then came the JEC Presidency and “Air Travel Deregulation” but as a professional traveler, I still ( mostly ) lucked out. I got in on the ground floor of the various carrier’s loyalty clubs and schemes so layovers and long delays and “interchanges ” were handled expeditiously ! This soon converted to cabin crews giving me preference in seating location. ( That’s a longer story ! ) But I quit that lifestyle ( and my job ) circa 1991 when I boarded an airplane in SFO and discovered I knew just about all of the flight/cabin crew by name ! I’ve never missed it !

      BTW that cabin shot looks a lot like a DC–6 to me !

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    • Jim says:

      Love it! Here is the brand new Raleigh-Durham terminal 1946. Its sole carrier was Eastern Airlines at that time:

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      • WSB says:

        Ha!!! I flew on Eastern! Flew into ABE. Was probably about 3 or 4. Back in the early sixties. Sat in the front seats, two on each side of a table. Rolled peanuts all over it!

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    • i'm just sayin'.. says:

      Aunt & Uncle lived a few blocks from Idlewild Airport (later JFK) and we would go to the airport observation deck to watch planes take off and land. Cheap fun on a Saturday night.

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      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        I am not that old.
        But I do remember Newark Airport, with its big observation window, in the late 1960s/very early 1970s. They have greatly expanded since. That terminal I think became the “north terminal,” and has had much less fame since then. That particular building may not even be around anymore. That is sad, because I think it was beautiful architecture.

        I had largely forgotten about the building, and that observation window. But then in the 1980s that terminal was devoted to People Express – with their $100 open-seating flights. What a flashback to pass through again, and see that observation window again.

        The terminal then got dedicated to package shipping – FedEx or someone took it over.

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      • piper567 says:

        just sayin’…in my youth, many evenings a boyfriend and I went to SFO to watch planes and people. I agree: cheap thrills. We even opened concourse doors and sat on the roofs outside listening to planes refuel!
        I still think of this as the good o’ days: we could go wherever we wished and no one seemed to mind.
        It saddens me that we can no longer go to gates to meet incoming loved ones.

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      • Grandma Covfefe says:

        In the 50s-60s, Driving into and out of a one-leveled LAX was a breeze, with that spider restaurant landmark in full view. That thing looked like an UFO spaceship. I missed not being able to go to the gate and watch the nose of the planes come up to the window, and seeing the landings/takeoffs.

        Our home was the homebase for our midwestern relatives in the summer, and they’d pile into our station wagon–no seat belts at the time–the kids sitting on adults’ laps. Great old days.

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        • graciegram says:

          No seat belts. Reminds me of when my kids were little. They were on my lap in the front seat. No car seats. Never a problem, thankfully.

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      • citizen817 says:

        Same with BWI, which used to be called Friendship Airport. Miss those observation deck days.

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  2. Grandma Covfefe says:

    For he shall give his angels charge over thee,
    to keep thee in all thy ways.
    They shall bear thee up in their hands,
    lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    Ps 91: 11-12

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  3. DanDeplorable says:

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL, October 23, 2017

    He First Loved Us

    “We love because He first loved us.” 1 John 4:19

    There is no light in the planet but that which proceeds from the sun; and there is no true love for Jesus in the heart but that which comes from the Lord Jesus Himself. From this overflowing fountain of the infinite love of God, all our love to God must spring.

    This truth is foundational, that we love Him for no other reason than because He first loved us. Our love for Him is the result of His love for us. When studying the works of God, anyone may respond with cold admiration. But the warmth of love can only be kindled in the heart by the Spirit of God.

    What a wonder that any of us, knowing what we are like, should ever have been brought to love Jesus at all! How marvelous that when we had rebelled against Him, He should, by a display of such amazing love, seek to draw us back. We would never have had a grain of love toward God unless it had been sown in us by the sweet seed of His love for us.

    Love, then, has for its parent the love of God shed abroad in our hearts. But after it is divinely born, it must be divinely nourished. It is not like a plant, which will flourish naturally in human soil. It must be watered from above. Love for Jesus is a flower of a delicate nature, and if it received no nourishment but that which could be drawn from the rock of our hearts, it would soon wither.

    As love comes from Heaven, so it must feed on heavenly bread. It cannot exist in the wilderness unless it be fed by manna from on high. Love must feed on love. The very soul and life of our love for God is His love for us. Believer, whenever you doubt God’s love for you and want to see it–look at the cross:
    “…and walk in love, even as the Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for you” (Ephesians 5:2).

    I love Thee, Lord, but with no love of mine,
    
For I have none to give;
I love Thee,
    Lord; but all the love is Thine,

    For by Thy love I live.
I am as nothing, and rejoice to be
    
Emptied, and lost, and swallowed up in Thee.

    –Charles H. Spurgeon, 1834 -1892

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  4. Garrison Hall says:

    Happy Monday, Treepers. Here’s some morning coffee music.

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  5. citizen817 says:

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    • millwright says:

      I’m convinced there are no atheists where bullets fly and death hovers near ! This depicts what our President struggled to convey to the families that lost lived ones in Niger; the deep and abiding bond amongst all those that go in harm’s way, and their soul-deep commitment to one another, regardless of the cost ! Deep down combat soldiers don’t fight for “God and Country”, they fight for one another – their brothers – until death !

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      • dilonsfo says:

        You are right. Every one of my squad members (that are still alive) keep in close contact and it has been that way for over 40 years. For those who have passed over the years… those of us left stay in contact with their wives to make sure things are okay for them. That bond is never broken or forgotten or taken lightly. Funny thing is…you may not have even gotten along well with some of them but once those bullets fly…you belong to one another for the rest of time. The Good Lord has different ways to bond people together and this one is a strong one.

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    • GAPTOG says:

      Beautiful change up of that prayer for our beloved military, citizen. Thank you for posting it here.

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  6. citizen817 says:

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    • smiley says:

      the times, they were a-changin’

      something a little ominous in that iconic photo, now, with the benefit of hindsight.

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        • piper567 says:

          Eons ago, not too long after Dylan came on the scene, I bought the album that contained this song. Went over to a friend’s house to play it, ’cause I had no player.
          He had just refurbished an old upright console, originally designed as a gramophone, and was really proud of it.
          We put on this Dylan album, and he jumped out of his chair, dashing over to his newstuff, thinking something was wrong with his new set-up !!! HA!
          We forget now how off Dylan’s voice sounded back then…we have grown accustomed to it.

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      • amwick says:

        Dh was playing this last night..

        Love is but a song we sing
        Fear’s the way we die
        You can make the mountains ring
        Or make the angels cry
        Though the bird is on the wing
        And you may not know why

        Come on people now
        Smile on your brother
        Everybody get together
        Try to love one another
        Right now

        Where has the great music gone??!!! I couldn’t help but think what that meant back then, even though I was a little child at the time… sighs

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    • Bakokitty says:

      That photo reminded me of a used car we got in 1968, we were just married, needed a second car, but not having much money,asked my dad for help finding a reliable car.
      He suggested we call his old friend who was selling cars, so we did.
      Well, Marty had this Ford convertible, 700.00( we borrowed the money from my parents) but Marty like many salesmen liked to inflate the good things about the product. He tells us, ” this red /white rag top Ford was used by John Kennedy in a parade in Calif”.
      (where we lived) . Heh , sure we say/// we figure he is just BSing us.
      Well one day we are on the freeway, it is hot, and we decide to open the floor vents( they were common then) so we pull the levers on each side by our feet and holy smokes, out comes this confetti all over us from those vents. Hahaha maybe old Marty wasn’t pulling our leg.
      We concluded he told us the truth. We thought that was cool.
      Sadly one day a few months later hubby leaves for one morning, come right back up to our apartment, says” the cars gone” it was parked on the street. I couldn’t believe it. 😦
      Well a couple of weeks later the police call, its found and we can go get it at the tow yard.
      Well, we go, our hopes are up but they were quickly dashed when we saw what they did to our car.
      They had sliced the rag top to get in, they slashed the seats, bent and twisted the trim every where. The front fenders and hood were gone, the tires had been changed for crappy ones. They had painted the hippy peace signs all over and a few ” FU’s as well.
      We were heart broken and I was pissed! I swear I wanted run over the first hippie I saw, I was spitting nails mad.
      We only had liability insurance, couldn’t afford comprehension. So we left the car there,we really couldn’t afford to fix it, and we still owed my parents money.
      But ……we once had a car that JFK rode in when he campaigned in Ca,

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    • Jim says:

      Camelot…

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    • i'm just sayin'.. says:

      ridin’ in a ’57 Chevy

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  7. citizen817 says:

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  9. USA loves Melania says:

    Yesterday I made a post about a few official state songs and that got me to thinking about our 50 states and some of their symbols. So I did some research and wrote this essay for your enjoyment.

    A few facts about the 50 states:

    Ohio, Oklahoma, and Missouri all claim the bullfrog as their official state amphibian. Iowa also claims the bullfrog, but that’s unofficial. Ohio has two state amphibians, the bullfrog and the spotted salamander. Pick one, Ohio. Mark Twain, one of the most famous people from Missouri, once wrote a story about a bullfrog, “The Celebrated Jumping Frog of Calaveras County”. Calaveras county is in California.

    A whole bunch of states list “milk” as their official state beverage. I like milk as much as the next guy but this seems unimaginative. Rhode Island’s state drink is “coffee milk”. You can keep it, Rhode Island. Nebraska’s state beverage is milk but they also have a state soft drink, and you’ll never guess it. It’s Kool-Aid. When I think of soft drinks I tend to think of something carbonated like coca-cola or mountain dew. If I went to a restaurant and asked the waitress what soft drinks they have and she said “Kool-Aid” I might start laughing. I must have drank thousands of gallons of the stuff when I was a kid but I don’t know that I’ve had a glass of Kool-Aid since I was about 11. My favorite flavor was cherry but my mom always made the lemonade Kool-Aid. She said that if (when) I spilled it on the carpet, the lemonade didn’t stain as badly as the cherry. I guess she was right but now I feel like buying a packet of cherry Kool-Aid and mixing it up. Kool-Aid was invented in Nebraska in 1927.

    The state tree of Pennsylvania is the eastern hemlock. Nothing against hemlock but this seems like an odd choice for a state so well known for its beautiful, high quality hardwoods. I do a fair amount of woodworking and one of my favorite woods is the wild black cherry tree (Prunus serotina). I guess I have a thing for cherry. Anyway, Pennsylvania is full of cherry trees. If I were king for a day I’d make Prunus serotina the state tree of Pennsylvania. It’s probably America’s most beautiful domestic hardwood species yet it isn’t the state tree of any state. That’s a shame. American black walnut, another of our most lovely woods, also isn’t the official tree of any state. The walnut is the official nut of Missouri, so that’s some vindication. The state tree and state nut of Texas is the pecan. The state nut of Oregon is the hazelnut. Pennsylvania means “Penn’s woods”, named after William Penn.

    There are several states that get their nickname from trees. Mississippi is the “Magnolia State”. South Carolina is the “Palmetto State”. Georgia is the “Peach State”. Ohio is the “Buckeye State”. Maine is the “Pine Tree State”. Maine is so enthusiastic about pine trees that they made the white pine cone tassel their official state flower. That’s not even really a flower. Come on, Maine, you’re not even trying.

    Indiana is “The Hoosier State”. Nobody knows exactly what a Hoosier is but it’s one of the funnest words to say.

    The state song of Florida is “Old Folks at Home”.

    Illinois is known as the “Land of Lincoln”. Honest Abe was born in Kentucky. His family moved to Indiana when he was 7 years old. He didn’t live in Illinois until he was an adult. Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America, was also born in Kentucky.

    The state bird of Maryland is the Baltimore Oriole.

    Four states are considered “Commonwealths”: The Commonwealth of Virginia, The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, The Commonwealth of Massachusetts, and the Commonwealth of Kentucky. Commonwealth doesn’t really mean anything but sounds nice.

    The name “Idaho” doesn’t mean anything. A man named George Willing made up the name and told congress that it was a Shoshone Indian word that means “gem of the mountains”. Mr. Willing originally proposed the name in 1876 for the territory around Pike’s Peak, but when congress found out it was just a made up word they decided to go with “Colorado” instead. In 1890 we needed another name for another state and by then congress didn’t care anymore so they used Willing’s made up name of “Idaho”.

    Arkansas used to be known as “The Bear State” because of all the black bears in the Ozark mountains. Now they call themselves “The Natural State”. I like bear state better. Alabama, Louisiana, New Mexico, and West Virginia all list the black bear as their state mammal. It was in Mississippi, right next to Arkansas, where Theodore Roosevelt refused to shoot a bear cub. That’s how Teddy Bears got started. Montana’s state mammal is the grizzly bear. Arkansas is the only state that has a diamond mine. Delaware has a diamond on its state flag and is sometimes known as “The Diamond State” even though they don’t have any diamonds.

    Minnesota is known as the “Land of Ten Thousand Lakes”. It depends on the definition of what is a lake but many sources claim they actually have over 11000. Eleven thousand isn’t as catchy of a number as ten thousand. There are 201 lakes named “Mud Lake”, 154 named “Long Lake”, and 123 named “Rice Lake”. I guess when you have over eleven thousand lakes you run out of names.

    Illinois’ official state snackfood is popcorn. Orville Redenbacher is from Illinois’ next-door neighbor, Indiana. I had to look up the possessive form of “Illinois” because I didn’t know whether it was an apostrophe and a letter ‘s’ or just an apostrophe. Apparently either is correct. I found out that the Arkansas state legislature passed a resolution stating that the possessive of their state should be the apostrophe and the ‘s’, as in “Arkansas’s state legislature has too much time on their hands”.

    Now you know all there is to know about the 50 states.

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    • Wend says:

      Very interesting-love all the animals!

      I love South Carolina and think they have the coolest symbol-the palmetto and crescent moon. Soooo Southern! I have some tiny silver earrings I bought there – the outline of the state with the palmetto and moon engraved inside.

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      • allhail2 says:

        People in South Carolina are VERY proud of their state symbol. If you drive through there, any part, you will see just an enormous number of vehicles with a window/bumper sticker, license plate holder, etc with the symbol on it. And of course, it’s front and center on their license plates. One of the prettiest ones, imo.

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    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      That is so interessting-Thank you for posting it. We had grape Koolaid, too.

      By the way, California state animal is the “California Grizzly Bear”, an extinct subspecies of the grizzly. The last time the California Grizzly bear was sighted was in 1924.

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    • Jim says:

      Americana…warms the heart and soul

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    • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

      Georgia’s State Flower is the Cherokee Rose. Bird-Brown Thrasher. Our State Food is Peanuts! But our State Vegetable is Vidalia Onions. I love Georgia!

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  11. Lucille says:

    7-Year-Old girl Guitarist – Konstantina Andritsou performs @ Megaro (Athens)

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  12. citizen817 says:

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  13. millwright says:

    A true heroine is ignored and a phony hero is awarded money for creating even more hardship, suffering and death ! Globalism in action !

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  14. nwtex says:

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    • GAPTOG says:

      How sweet s child!! How happy a daddy!!

      Looks like Baby Luke has the making for Hair like his famous and beloved gramps! 👍🏼

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  15. nwtex says:

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  17. patrickhenrycensored says:

    Today is the first day in over a year and a half that I am awake, without the constant excruciating pain that originates just below the pyloric valve in my stomach and convulses my digestive tract.
    Chrohn’s Disease.
    The chemical imbalance of the bacteria throughout the tract causes multiple maladies ranging from ileitis, to anorectal abscesses.
    The cause is unknown, and there is no cure
    And nothing relieves the pain.
    Standing is difficult, walking is labored, sitting is the worst.
    Lying on one side or the other is tolerable, but sleep is impossible without medication.
    Four hours ago, I woke up,……………..and it was gone.

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  18. smiley says:

    October (The Pumpkins)

    1882

    watercolor, paper

    Carl Larsson ~ Swedish (1853-1919) ~ Realism

    🙂

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  19. Donna in Oregon says:

    Irish Blessing

    When the wind is howlin’ in everyone’s ears,
    May you hear a soft, lilting breeze;
    And if the rain is lashin’ down,
    May it only be dew at your knees.
    If the ground ‘neath your feet
    should quiver and shake,
    I hope you’ll be standin’ with ease;
    And never go hungry or wantin’ for much;
    May God grant you all that you need!

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  20. smiley says:

    happy monday morning 🙂

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  21. Jim says:

    Religion and school…First amendment, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Just a few simple, clear words and how much has happened since they were written. Notice there are two clauses here and each has been named. First clause is the establishment clause. This is specifically directed at only Congress and not individuals or states, but when the 14th amendment was added the scope was broadened to include the states. Second clause is the free exercise clause and restricts Congress dealing with people expressing their religious beliefs. Expression does not include anything that is generally not acceptable behavior but does include things a state has a strong interest in regulating; e.g., polygamy, drug use, ritual sacrifice.
    In colonial America one religion could be favored over another and those not conforming could be taxed, punished, imprisoned, or even executed. When the Constitution was drafted, most Americans had enough of this and thus the reason for the establishment clause. As to the free exercise clause, there must be a very “compelling interest” in order to regulate a religious practice.
    After independence, public schools were virtually non-existent. There was the Boston Latin School established in 1635. This was considered the first public school and was a Puritan school. Harvard opened in 1636. The Mather School opened in 1639. Otherwise, schooling was almost universally done in homes until the mid-19th century. By 1870 all states had tax subsidized elementary schools and by 1900 public secondary schools outnumbered private.
    The cornerstone of early American education was, “Children are a gift from God.” The Bible was the single most important cultural influence in the lives of Americans. Most children could read when they entered a school. These were voluntary and run by a free market system. The private system included home, school, church, library companies, philosophical societies, circulating libraries, apprentices, and private study. Texts included the Bible, Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan, New England Primer, Isaac Watts’ Divine Songs, and Noah Webster’s Blue Back Speller.
    Education began changing after the Civil War. Under President Andrew Johnson, the Office of Education was established as a small bureau under the Department of the Interior in 1867. In 1866 the 14th amendment passed granting “equal protection under the law” to all citizens born in the U.S. President Grant pushed the Blaine amendment of 1875 which would have prohibited any government aid to any school with religious affiliation. This was largely to target Catholic parochial schools to which Grant was strongly opposed. This amendment was voted down. Major changes came during the Progressive Era (1890’s – 1930’s). New York “reformers” installed bureaucratic systems run by “experts.” John Dewey who came from the University of Chicago felt schools should teach students “how to live” and he used this philosophy for “social reconstruction”. The Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 was signed by LBJ to pump federal dollars into local school districts. The Office of Education was made a full department by President Jimmy Carter with the U.S. Dept. of Education Organization Act of 1979. These last two laws gave the federal government the power over the states it lacked before, when the states performed most regulation.
    From this point on, most changes came through the courts. There are many cases, I will mention only one. The landmark case is considered to be the 1962 Supreme Court ruling under Earl Warren in Engel vs. Vitale. The NY Times headlines that day read, “Supreme Court Outlaws Official School Prayers in Regents Case Decision…Wide Impact Foreseen; Churchmen Voice Shock.” The complaint was brought by a group of families, three of whom were Jewish and two were self-proclaimed “spiritual” people who did not belong to any organized religion. They were supported by various rabbinical groups and “ethical humanist” groups. The prayer written by the state board of regents was, “Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country. Amen.” The complaint stated this violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment as applied to the states through the 14th amendment. As a friend of the Court, 22 states signed on opposing the complaint. The Court held that government directed prayer in public schools violates the Establishment Clause even if the prayer is denominationally neutral and students may remain silent or be excused from the classroom. The vote was 6-1 but Justice Frankfurter suffered a stroke and had to retire, Justice White took no part in the case, and Justice Potter dissented. In his dissent, he stated, “I do not believe the state of New York has established an official religion in this case. What it has done is to recognize the deeply entrenched and highly cherished spiritual traditions of our Nation, traditions which came down to us from those who almost 200 years ago avowed their “firm Reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence” when they proclaimed the freedom and independence of this brave new world.”
    Where are we today? Are our schools better because of this ruling? Has this ruling improved American culture? There are currently cases working their way through the courts concerning the religion of Islam and the concessions made by public schools to accommodate students practicing that religion. What will the ruling be there? The Warren Court did not remove God from public schools, for God lives in the hearts of all who believe. They merely emboldened Progressives who feel God is a myth. Make no mistake, this and other rulings pull America away from the cornerstone of early American education, “Children are a gift from God,” and have thus harmed America by giving the impression that there is no higher moral authority than man himself. Look around at the events of last week and you will clearly see where that leads. Meanwhile home schooling is growing as are private schools based on free market principles. Isn’t it interesting that we have now gone full circle from the early American model, to the progressive model with its “experts,” felt by many to have failed abysmally, back to the early American model formed by We the People. Sometimes, like the early American farmer, when you plow your field and encounter a stump, you just plow around it. Sort of like President Donald J. Trump is doing with a lot of things right now, or perhaps he is just plowing right through the stump. God bless President Trump, God bless the justices he appoints, and God bless America.

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    • piper567 says:

      Jim,
      Thank you or taking the time to assemble and post this litany. It IS interesting that homeschooling is now such a strong component of current education ways and means.
      I have often talked with folks ab the many groups of Americans who are “plowing around the stump”, all of which fly under the radar and are, if mentioned at all, marginalized as weird and/or radical. ( The Deplorables are but one major, recent example, ha!)
      I do believe that many more families will be encouraged to look into home schooling as it becomes more clear that so many of our schools are not much more than propaganda arms for the “progressives”. My hope and prayer is that this will be so.

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    • Lucille says:

      Thank you, Jim, for a fine compilation of facts. Very useful for future reference.

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  22. Dora says:

    Alois Hans Schram – Piano Lesson (1902)

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    • Jim says:

      Color scheme is very much like that used by Gustav Klimt (1862-1918). Were they acquaintances?

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    • amwick says:

      When I see people dressed up like this, I wonder about laundry… I know, but I do. the fancier the outfit, the more I wonder if they just wore it a few times and then dumped it..
      Aside from that, this is a beautiful painting,, the light is just so striking…. wonderful! TY

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      • Dora says:

        It’s a turn off, I know, but many people back then didn’t bother washing their clothes.

        I remember reading about how Mary Lincoln tried to sell some of her dresses after her husband’s assassination, but they were dirty with food stains, as well as perspiration stains beneath the arms. Ugh!

        When I see old pictures of people so beautifully dressed, unfortunately my first reaction is to wonder how they smelled. Can’t help it.

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        • Jim says:

          Never would have thought of that, would not have even occurred to me. Just goes to show how different God made each one of us.

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        • amwick says:

          Well, in my brain, laundry is first and then comes personal hygiene as a close second. They did the best they could, I suppose, with basins and warm water. The wealthy people that is. hmmmmmm

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        • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

          I reckon they all pretty much smelled wiffy, but if everyone is wiffy, they sorta cancel each other out! I once had to use a mud-brick outhouse for 4 months. After about 6 weeks, I really didn’t notice anymore! You turn nose-blind!

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        • singingsoul says:

          Often people would wear inserts for the under the arm perspiration. Material was not polyester but silk cotton linen or wool. The fabric does breath and therefore there is not much odor. Lastly often dresses would be hung outside or in a room with steam .
          My grandmother used to teach me how to handle clothe. A spot on dark wool fabric use a little coffee and a bush got it clean. I was told wool coats loose their luster having them dry cleaned. Everyone had this under arm savers that were washed after each wear.
          I remember when I was a child no one had their coats cleaned and good silk dresses . Only cotton was washed but not often.
          We are wasteful with water and detergents and how hard the wash machine is on the fabric. By the way the white clothe was cooked. Even today wash machines in Germany cook sheets and other white garments.
          The not washing was not a big of a problem as one thinks. Often women wore simple cotton dresses for cleaning and around the house. One changed to go shopping or for company. Fancy dresses were only worn for special occasions and were worn over a lifetime as an adult.
          Of course I take what I can to the cleaner. I still grinch sending coats to the cleaner and yes they do not look knew any longer.
          I knew after the war where people took a coat apart turned the fabric and sowed them back together. Hard times does that to people. Everyone always looked clean.

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          • Jim says:

            Very well said. I can picture each thing you describe because you obviously have the image clearly in your mind when you choose your words. Thanks for sharing.

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      • WSB says:

        Many dresses were sold to dealers and then resold to less wealthy customers, or remade by the owner of the garment and updated with current sleeves, collar, etc. Fascinating histories on fashion!

        https://bellatory.com/fashion-industry/Womens-Fashions-of-the-1700s

        http://www.history.org/history/museums/clothingexhibit/museum_explore.cfm#index=92&filter=genderf,frml,fshn,1750

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  23. smiley says:

    40 %…next 5 days…western Caribbean, moving north-northeast…

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5

    something to watch.

    😦

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  24. WeeWeed says:

    Mornin’ infidels!

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  25. duchess01 says:

    Verse of the Day

    “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”
    Revelation 1:8 (KJV)

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  26. duchess01 says:

    Thank You, Jesus, for blessings received and prayers answered!

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  27. Dora says:

    Another hypocrite!

    ===

    Robert De Niro, Who Calls Trump ‘Low Life,’ Was Client Of Brothel Using Kids

    Robert De Niro, who calls Donald Trump a “creep” and a “low life,” was caught using the services of an international prostitution ring that hired underage children and specialised in providing prostitutes to wealthy, high-profile clients.

    http://www.usnp.today/robert-de-niro-calls-trump-low-life-client-brothel-using-kids/

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    • smiley says:

      going downhill, fast.

      too bad…he used to be quite a decent actor in some very good movies, for whatever that’s worth.

      but if that’s all you’ve got going for you…well…old age might be ugly…and desperate.

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    • Nikki/Chico says:

      Matthew 18:6New King James Version (NKJV)

      Jesus Warns of Offenses
      6 “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

      Matthew 18
      Jesus Blesses Little Children
      13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there.

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      • Nikki/Chico says:

        I respectfully add this, it is strong language.

        Romans 1:18-32New King James Version (NKJV)

        God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
        18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

        24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

        26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

        28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[a] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[b] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

        Hosea 4:6New King James Version (NKJV) 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

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        • GAPTOG says:

          Verses 29 on tell it as God sees it!!

          Let those w ears hear, with eyes see.

          Thank You, God! For Your Mercy on those who turn to You in sorrow of their sins, repent and go on to love You above all else.

          Merciful God, please send a Your Most Holy Spirit to open the eyes and ears of those who refuse to know, love and serve You.

          I ask this is Your Son, Jesus’ name. Amen.

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      • Jim says:

        Matthew 18, one of my very favorites. Thanks.

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    • Donna in Oregon says:

      Hollywood has worked hard to promote sexual deviants as the norm.

      I’m shocked that anyone is surprised. Who supports these child sex rings and sex slave industries? Don’t stop at Hollywood, keep going until you get to Washington DC.

      Wait until you read that Hollywood is using the blood/stem cells of aborted fetuses to look young.

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  28. Nikki/Chico says:

    Good morning, and God bless

    To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.
    Revelation 5:13

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  29. Dora says:

    This Day In History:

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  30. 4beagles says:

    Woo Hoo, Thank you Lord !

    I just bagged a 6 pt white tail deer with my longbow. He’d been frequenting my garden, balsa plane air field, and meadow which until a few years ago laid under the water of a beaver swamp.

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    • smiley says:

      that’s depressing..the beautiful deer.

      was it really necessary to murder him ?

      sorry…I’m just into that.

      and you’re cheering about it.

      smh

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      • smiley says:

        RIP, Beauty

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        • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

          I can understand if you are hungry, but I would prefer to watch him in my field. I know a lot of hunters here in GA. We have to cull the deer, because the population gets so high, they starve. It’s sad, but the Forestry people take care and make sure it’s kept in control. At least with a bow, the deer has a better chance!

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          • smiley says:

            he didn’t say he killed the deer b/c he’s hungry…he killed the deer b/c it was in his MEADOW…and was eating from his garden.

            that’s what wildlife does.

            he should’ve thought to put a FENCE around that precious garden.

            then to make it even worse…he brags about killing the deer as if he’s just accomplished some huge necessary feat …and then praises GOD for it.

            maybe he should get on his knees w/ his bow & arrow set and ask GOD’s forgiveness.

            some dudes just get a rush out of killing animals.

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      • Jim says:

        This one’s ‘specially for smiley. Anyone else ‘wants a life lesson, you might just wanna’ tag along too:

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    • Dora says:

      I don’t think the deer was thanking the Lord. 😦

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    • The Boss says:

      4beagles – Did you get one of the venison burgers at Arby’s on Saturday? One-day promotion. Mine was mighty tasty. They were sampling elk in a few spots too. Now, if someone can figure out how to make something real good out of Canadian geese. They are way too over-populated.

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    • amwick says:

      My Dh loved hunting… he doesn’t get around that well anymore, but I remember how proud he was to finally get a buck…. with a pistol…. yup… a big honking pistol.
      Where we lived in PA deer meet sustained many, many families. Opening day was bigger than most federal holidays…. Best part, I still remember, was the back strap. Hope you enjoy it.

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  31. Dora says:

    This weekend the city had its annual Halloween Parade for Dogs. 🙂

    ===

    Photos: All The Good Dogs At The 2017 Tompkins Square Halloween Parade

    http://gothamist.com/2017/10/22/photos_dogs_costumes_tompkins_square.php#photo-1

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  32. smiley says:

    revolting monday funnies

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    • Jim says:

      As usual, a women’s place is in control.

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      • smiley says:

        🐱

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        • singingsoul says:

          We have deer that come t my bird feeders. We have some wood between houses and deer walk on the sidewalk from one wood to the other. Every year a doe has two babies. They eat some of my flowers but I do not care. I often wonder if they all get enough food.
          They also go at nights into the century near buy all in city limits. I love watching them and they are not afraid of people or my dogs. I think my dogs accepted them as part of the surroundings.

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        • Jacqueline Taylor Robson says:

          True! I have a Scottish Dirk made from a deer’s foot! It’s traditionally worn in a man’s sock when he wears his kilt. The deer in Scotland are all farmed now and raised for venison to feed the rich who are able to afford it. If you drive up to a field full of them, they all come running and are tame!. Gotta watch out for the males with antlers in the autumn. They can be dangerous!

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  33. Gates of Vienna is a wonderful site to get the truth of what is happening in Europe and to a lesser extent here. This particular article has many wonderful comments regarding how mainstream thought has so degraded and how Western Civilization can reignite its beliefs in the hearts of man.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2017/10/the-core-problem-again/#more-44249

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  34. dbethd says:


    First Lady Melania Trump at the presentation of her inaugural gown at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History | October 20, 2017 (Official White House Photo by Andrea Hanks)

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  35. kinthenorthwest says:

    Why do so many THUG families believe their children can keep on committing crimes and then cry foul when they finally get caught by a bullet. (Take a look at the criminal’s name–hmm).

    54-Year-Old Woman Robbed By THUG, Shoots Him Dead… Here’s His Family’s ABSURD Response
    http://usnewsinsider.com/54-year-old-woman-robbed-thug-shoots-dead-heres-familys-absurd-response/

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    • patrickhenrycensored says:

      How he gonna get his stuff,……..now he bein’ all dead and sheeeeeet?!!!!!

      Liked by 1 person

      • kinthenorthwest says:

        A few of the family’s comments seem to excuse his criminal behavior

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        • patrickhenrycensored says:

          Parasites.

          Liked by 1 person

          • kinthenorthwest says:

            Crazy—But do believe that Obama not only condoned this type of behavior and beliefs from thugs and their families, but promoted it.

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            • amwick says:

              He was leaving out a window… then there was a confrontation… not too many details. Situations like this is why the NRA offers a kind of insurance, to cover legal and court costs…. Dh and I are not fans of the NRA, (you can imagine a lawyer suing this lady for millions.) but you can see why insurance may be a good thing to have… ok found it.
              https://www.nracarryguard.com/
              If you are interested, there may be other companies that offer something similar.

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              • amwick says:

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/15/a-miami-woman-killed-a-teen-burglar-as-he-fled-her-home-should-she-be-charged/?utm_term=.cc9db556530a

                Article discusses Florida’s stand your ground type of laws…

                A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony,” according to state law. “A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.”

                But Florida law goes far beyond this “Stand Your Ground” law, which became the focal point in the 2012 shooting of another 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin, in Sanford, Fla.

                Instead, in Florida, anybody who “unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.”

                That means that homeowners are presumed to have “reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another” whenever someone “unlawfully and forcefully” enters their house, essentially giving homeowners broad license to shoot at intruders.

                Florida law also provides homeowners who shoot intruders with sweeping protections against civil lawsuits, meaning Johnson’s family is unlikely to receive a wrongful death settlement.

                So, no charges yet… that may change. hmmmmm

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            • patrickhenrycensored says:

              He did.
              That’s why the thugs worship him.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      I remember the family of another now dead thug who said pretty much the same thing after he was killed in a breakin. They were upset because he needed the money for books for when he started college. 🙄

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  36. andi lee says:

    Unscheduled Pentagon brief by Joint Chief of Staff General Dunford on Niger attack.

    A cautionary tell.

    [They] don’t know *why* Sgt LaDavid Johnson was 1 mile away from his unit, *where* he lost his life.

    Dunford verified attack began mid-morning of the 4th. (Verifies yesterday’s accounting, the unit left the previous day. Unit spent the night *somewhere*. Anonymous sourced accounting, 11:00 A.M.
    Yesterday’s accounting: two attacks. In the village. Ambushed in pursuit.

    New information:
    Drone called in, overhead immediately.

    Contractor flight (medical transport) arrived within 1 hour of call, and under fire. Retrieved the *wounded*. Yesterday’s accounting: 1/2 hour arrival.

    French forces, 2 hour delay in arrival. (Previously identified: Did not engage fight, other than low fly-overs to scatter attack. Could not identify *who*, enemy combatants.) Retrieved the *dead*. Yesterday’s accounting: 1/2 hour arrival.
    *The attack was ongoing for hours!*

    General Dunford has not seen the *video* yet. There is a video. (During Q&A).

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    • andi lee says:

      Oops.

      French air picked up the wounded. I need to listen again.

      Not mentioned is, calling any attention to the US contracted air support that picked up our dead soldiers.

      Also, missed this:
      Niger QRF, (quick reaction force), was last on the scene.

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  37. auscitizenmom says:

    lilbirdee12’s prayer:

    Our Heavenly Father, Your children come to you tonight to ask for healing and peace throughout our country so that we may return to being One Nation Under God. Guide us to be leaders in Your Kingdom, spreading Your Love and Salvation to all. Forgive us our sins and deliver us from evil.

    Lord, we ask for a blanket of protection over all our troops and law enforcement who serve to defend and protect us. Bless our representatives with the strength and wisdom they need to achieve the path You have chosen for us.

    Please place Your Guardian Angels of Protection around Donald Trump and Mike Pence and their families as they seek to lead America back to You.

    Grant us patience, Lord, as the evil ones try to anger us and cause us to fall.
    Spread blessings over Israel and Netanyahu.

    We humbly ask that You please comfort those who are grieving and in pain.
    Thank you Father, for Your Love and the gift of Life.

    And, Lord, we pray for all the people who have been affected by the earthquakes and hurricanes.

    In Jesus name, we pray. Amen.

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  38. auscitizenmom says:

    LOL I’m watching Dancing with the Stars and tonight it is unfortunately about Hollywood. My first thought was of Harvey Weinstein. Bad timing on their part. Of course, I am sure the decision to do this was made long ago before Harvey messed up the name of Hollywood.

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  39. dutzie60 says:

    I posted this in the Presidential thread but thought it should be here.

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  40. Lucille says:

    Underwear Bomber Says Prison Rules ‘Severely Restrict’ His Practice of Islam
    October 23, 2017 by Robert Spencer
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-underwear-bomber-says-prison-rules-severely-restrict-his-practice-of-islam

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  41. Troublemaker10 says:

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