President Trump Signs Executive Order To Promote Healthcare Choices and Options…

President Trump has been working on an alternative regulatory policy initiative to workaround the lack of congressional action on healthcare. Today President Trump unveils the MAGA healthcare initiative that allows HHS to permit groups of people to form “Health Associations” and seek competitive health insurance options across state lines.

One of the biggest benefits to allowing “Health Associations” is that the group policies will not be bound to the same ObamaCare insurance mandates and will likely be lower-cost insurance products. This isn’t a government mandate. It isn’t a subsidy. It isn’t a tax. Rather, it is the removal of government regulation and barriers to the best possible health care for millions of people.

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EXPANDING ACCESS TO MORE AFFORDABLE OPTIONS: President Donald J. Trump is taking action to increase the healthcare choices for millions of Americans, potentially allowing some employers to join together across State lines to offer coverage.

• President Trump signed an Executive Order to reform the United States healthcare system to take the first steps to expand choices and alternatives to Obamacare plans and increase competition to bring down costs for consumers.

• The order directs the Secretary of Labor to consider expanding access to Association Health Plans (AHPs), which could potentially allow American employers to form groups across State lines.

o A broader interpretation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) could potentially allow employers in the same line of business anywhere in the country to join together to offer healthcare coverage to their employees.

•It could potentially allow employers to form AHPs through existing organizations, or create new ones for the express purpose of offering group insurance.

o By potentially making it easier for employers to band together, workers could have access to a broader range of insurance options at lower rates in the large group market.

o Employers participating in an AHP cannot exclude any employee from joining the plan and cannot develop premiums based on health conditions.

• The order directs the Departments of the Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services to consider expanding coverage through low cost short-term limited duration insurance (STLDI).

o STLDI is not subject to costly Obamacare mandates and rules. One study found that on average STLDI costs one-third the price of the cheapest Obamacare plans.

o Despite its low cost, STLDI typically features broad provider networks and high coverage limits.

o The main groups who benefit from STLDI are people between jobs, people in counties with only a single insurer offering exchange plans, people with limited coverage networks, and people who missed the open enrollment period but still want insurance.

• The order directs the Departments of the Treasury, Labor, and Health and Human Services to consider changes to Health Reimbursement Arrangements (HRAs) so employers can make better use of them for their employees.

o HRAs are employer-funded accounts that reimburse employees for healthcare expenses, including deductibles and copayments.

o The IRS does not count funds contributed to an HRA as taxable income.

o Expanded HRAs could potentially give American workers greater flexibility and control over how to finance their healthcare needs.

OBAMACARE IS FAILING: The status quo is not delivering quality healthcare options for the American people, who are facing higher premiums and fewer options.

• The percentage of workers at small firms receiving coverage through their employer has declined from nearly half in 2010 to about one-third in 2017.

• In 2018, more than 1,500 counties (nearly 50 percent of all counties) are projected to have only one option on their individual insurance exchanges, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

o This means 2.6 million Americans, or nearly 30 percent of exchange participants, will be left without a choice of insurers.

• From 2013 to 2017, average premiums for individual health insurance plans have doubled, increasing by $2,928 according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

o During this period, every State using http://www.healthcare.gov saw individual insurance premiums increase.

• Americans are departing the Obamacare exchanges and millions are choosing to pay the law’s penalty instead.

o 500,000 fewer Americans enrolled in an Obamacare plan in 2017 compared to the prior year.

o Current exchange enrollment is 60% below what the Congressional Budget Office expected when the law took effect.

o 6.7 million Americans chose to pay the Obamacare penalty in 2015 rather than purchase insurance on the exchanges. 37% of penalized households made less than $25,000, and 79% of penalized households made less than $50,000.

[VIA Rand Paul]  I’ve been working with President Trump and his Cabinet for months to get this done.

How will it work? Well, nationwide associations like the National Restaurant Association will be allowed to form groups across state lines and, with the leverage of size, demand Big Insurance bring down their outrageous premiums.

Many of the 28 million people left behind by Obamacare who still don’t have insurance work low-wage jobs in our fast food restaurants. The President’s decision today will allow workers from two million restaurants to come together to form a buying group and through sheer size get cheaper and better insurance.

Millions of people will be eligible for the same group insurance that big corporations offer. In fact, Health Associations may grow to be larger than the largest of our corporations. Currently, about half of private insurance is cross-state, self-insured ERISA plans, and most employees love them. The President’s action today will allow the millions of people in the individual market an escape route to group insurance.

Association Health Plans will be among the biggest free-market reforms of health care in a generation, and it will do more to counter the impact of Obamacare than most of the repeal bills did, because it will actually go after regulations that the legislation didn’t touch due to Senate rules.

Existing law allows the President to legalize these new groups and plans. Where previous administrations have been weak, President Trump is bold to allow this reform.

All group insurance guarantees access regardless of pre-existing conditions. But what is great about cross-state Health Associations is that they will be exempt from some Obamacare and State regulations. This exemption from regulations is why cross-state group insurance has seen the lowest rise in premiums of any health insurance available.

The regulators, and hand-wringers, will worry that Health Associations will lead to the least common denominator and simply high-deductible, bare-bones policy. The opposite might occur. We do know that the large group, cross-state ERISA plans out there currently run the gamut and, in fact, often are the most desirable plans available.

Million-person Health Associations will have enormous leverage to get better prices for consumers – that’s exactly why Big Insurance opposes them.

Most of the “fake” replacements offered don’t fix the individual market; they simply keep in place Obamacare’s subsidies for the individual market. My hope is that cross-state Health Associations will allow so many people to flee the individual market that subsidies will no longer be necessary.

It will take 6 months to a year to begin seeing the benefits of Health Associations. I want to thank President Trump for taking this bold step forward.

As Health Associations form, the death spiral of Obamacare will continue. While we should and will keep fighting for repeal through Congress, I’m excited to have worked with President Trump on a free market reform that can begin to fix many of the problems Obamacare created.

Congress may have failed to act — but President Trump and I haven’t. We’ve been working on this behind the scenes.

So what does that mean for you, the healthcare consumer? Well, first of all, it means millions of people who now go it alone or in very small groups will join together and make the CONSUMER THE KING, with increased bargaining power and better prices.

You will be able to choose among better and cheaper insurance that works for you — something Obamacare made illegal. You will be able to buy across state lines, opening up competition for the best plans. Many Obamacare regulations will be waived for those in these groups, including costly mandates on what the plans must cover.

Best of all, this isn’t a government mandate. It isn’t a subsidy. It isn’t a tax. Rather, it is the removal of government regulation and barriers to the best possible health care for millions of people.

As a career physician, I know Obamacare is broken and must be repealed. I will keep fighting for this. But I also know health care was broken before Obamacare, and we should take every opportunity to fix what we can.

That’s what President Trump is doing this week, and I’m proud to have worked with him on this important health care reform. (link)

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339 Responses to President Trump Signs Executive Order To Promote Healthcare Choices and Options…

  1. fleporeblog says:

    Folks I can’t begin to tell you how happy I am today as an American! Our HERO, President Trump, took care of the Forgotten Men and Women. I also owe Senator Rand Paul an apology! I truly believe he and our President had this planned for over the last few months and Rand purposely came out against the Graham Cassidy Bill in order to put LUCIFER, COLLINS, MURKOWSKI on record once again to show how dishonest they were to the constituents in their states.

    Obamacare was the greatest PONZI SCHEME ever devised domestically. They needed younger folks, folks that had no preexisting conditions and those Americans in the 19 non expansion states that would possibly have qualified to pay a ridiculous premium each month in order to subsidize everyone else that fell below the 138% threshold in a Medicaid Expansion state (31 total).

    Their hope was twofold. People in the non expansion state would have screamed at their Governors to take the Medicaid Expansion and eventually those that were paying the ridiculous premiums to scream for SINGLE PAYER! Obamacare was set up to flop in 2017 and 2018 because the hope was that HRC or Jeb Bush would take the country to SINGLE PAYER.

    There are plenty of articles that will say that our President has sabotaged Obamacare. He owns Obamacare etc. I want to link and article that tells folks the truth about the EO and what the next steps will be.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/rand-paul-trump-exec-order-moves-toward-free-market-health-care

    From the article linked above:

    With Congress’ repeated failure to pass Obamacare, President Donald Trump is expected to sign an executive action on health care Thursday to make it easier for individuals to form health associations and purchase insurance across state lines.

    The president has been working with Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., for months to develop this executive order. In an op-ed for Breitbart News, Sen. Paul outlined several details of the plan.

    How will it work? Well, nationwide associations like the National Restaurant Association will be allowed to form groups across state lines and, with the leverage of size, demand Big Insurance bring down their outrageous premiums.

    Many of the 28 million people left behind by Obamacare who still don’t have insurance work low-wage jobs in our fast food restaurants. The President’s decision today will allow workers from two million restaurants to come together to form a buying group and through sheer size get cheaper and better insurance.

    Millions of people will be eligible for the same group insurance that big corporations offer. In fact, Health Associations may grow to be larger than the largest of our corporations. Currently, about half of private insurance is cross-state, self-insured ERISA plans, and most employees love them. The President’s action today will allow the millions of people in the individual market an escape route to group insurance.

    Association Health Plans will be among the biggest free-market reforms of health care in a generation, and it will do more to counter the impact of Obamacare than most of the repeal bills did, because it will actually go after regulations that the legislation didn’t touch due to Senate rules.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      Some Treepers shared the following information with me recently:

      Deb:

      That last paragraph is why he won. The media doesn’t realize that personal experience will always trump propoganda. Millions of people were burned by Obamacare for it not to be an issue, and listening to the Dems and the media lie about it for years and years woke them up. You can’t lie your way out of that.

      Deb was referring to the last paragraph from the article below:

      http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-executive-order-would-give-people-an-out-from-obamacare-dems-want-to-save-obamacare-by-closing-all-the-exits/

      ObamaCare promised to increase competition and lower insurance costs — for everyone. For millions of Americans, it delivered the opposite. Trump may have an opportunity to fulfill ObamaCare’s promise by giving these people a way out of ObamaCare. He should take it.

      Abster:

      I sure hope help comes soon. I received my health insurance renewal packet yesterday. My premium will increase from 783 and change to 933 and change. Deductible is 7,350. What’s worse is I am turning 61 this week and still have zero health issues. I should be very happy about that. It just adds salt to the wound because I am just tossing good money out the window. This is insane.

      thesavvyinvester:

      Flep, remember when Glenn Beck was pleading with us to organize, because the left had out manned us in this realm because they had organized the organized? Oh my this out Alinsky’s them . We the consumer can go around all regulatory levitan and can form groups working in our own economic self interest and not the deep states top down model, that benefits them. This is very similar to the dual ladder system they are trying to implement to go around Dodd-Frank. Brillant! I’d love to see Seema-Verma take Dr Price’s old slot and turn on the nitrous and supercharger to accelerate changing this summ-bhitch called Obamacare!!!

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    • kjf says:

      Too much credit to rand

      Liked by 5 people

    • Lunatic Fringe, Phd. [undocumented] says:

      You make a lot of great points. One of the benefits Mr. Rand Paul enjoys from being consistent and intellectually honest is that he can vote no on something and not necessarily be a bad guy. Senator Paul has long said not good enough is not good enough.

      Still not tired of winning.

      Liked by 6 people

    • MDiceman says:

      I agree with all but one thing. Social Security is the greatest PONZI SCHEME ever devised domestically.

      Liked by 9 people

      • Sayit2016 says:

        I agree 100 % why did they not set up interest bearing accounts, and a person’s SS deposited into that account with protections against withdrawal until age 65 ?

        Liked by 7 people

        • mimbler says:

          Because it was designed as wealth redistribution from the beginning. Poor people get far more from SS than the put in and wealthier people get less to subsidize the poor people.

          Liked by 6 people

          • Kroesus says:

            more designed to be a government revenue stream……life expectancy was 63.8 years when SSA was passed in the 30’s so the majority were NEVER expected to collect their forcible contributions as a benefit….when this failed to leave a large enough surplus LBJ and the Dimms began STEALING (IOU borrowing) the funds in the middle 60’s and government got addicted to this now new available source of funds

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            • snarkybeach says:

              Congressional thievery is why they were sooooooo reluctant to get rid of the Obamacare mandate… must feed the ravaging beast of SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, [BORROW] and SPEND some more…

              Liked by 4 people

            • Lindenlee says:

              “Unified Budget”, 1968. Largely paid for the Vietnam War by raiding SS.

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            • TPW says:

              brings to mind the Credit score scam……who allowed these companies to gather your personal info then distribute it at their discretion……legislation passed years ago to protect the lending companies big banks and now the personal info is used against you when applying for employment, insurance etc. All of our assets are at risk of being stolen but yet they want you to pay for protection. Just like the medical records privacy scam….set up not to protect your privacy but to allow insurance to deny you coverage. I hope the President follows through with doing away with the SS number system which would solve alot of Identity theft problems.

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      • fleporeblog says:

        You might be absolutely right!

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      • Melski says:

        When the FBI was questioning Bernie Madof they asked him were he got the idea for his ponzu scheme. He told them Social Security. 🤓

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    • Publius2016 says:

      MCCain’s Betrayal was biblical! Obamacare is death.

      Liked by 6 people

    • I must also admit that I owe Rand Paul a huge apology. I was wrong. May Rand forgive me and may God forgive me. Now I will sit down at the table and proceed to eat a very large helping of CROW.

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    • Sharon says:

      I don’t know why so many people here badmouth Senator Rand Paul about the health care plan! I just kept quiet because I could see that he was right about healthcare verses all the other options that the rinos brought forward! When it comes to healthcare Rand knows what he is talking about because he has been outspoken about it for a long time! My wish has been fulfilled that he is successful with his plan!,

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      • fleporeblog says:

        Sharon I can only speak for myself. I wanted our President to get that win by repealing and replacing Obamacare. I got more caught up in that then what would be the right thing for our country. It caused me to have animosity towards Rand because he was a NO vote on all bills other than the full repeal and the skinny repeal. In the end, it all worked out and Rand was a major reason for it.

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      • BobBoxBody says:

        Well I have to admit, I may have to reassess my opinion of the guy. I was wary of him. However I also never doubted that Trump had a contingency plan to deal with the RINOs and DemoRats. Now they’re both left with failing Obummercare while the rest of us are freed from it, all the while fundamentally reforming health insurance in this country at the same time. Watch how fast the deadbeats jettison Obamacare now that we’ve been shown the way to the life rafts!

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    • armie says:

      The phrase “bring down their outrageous premiums” reflects a fundamental lack of understanding of health insurance economics, and I hope it doesn’t also reflect the beliefs the administration holds. Obamacare (and before that, most state insurance supervision schemes) has a strict requirement for the percentage of premium income that has to be spent on actual care. The increasing premiums aren’t caused by insurers arbitrarily raising them and pocketing the increase, they’re caused by increased payouts for care.

      The new proposals will reduce premiums for those covered by them because they reduce the amount of money insurers have to pay for mandated services. Free contraceptive services, an unlimited lifetime payout, free pediatric dental coverage, unlimited mental health services, a requirement to provide unlimited coverage of pre-existing conditions and a whole host of other Obiecare requirements cost money.

      As convenient it is to blame the whole premium explosion on big bad insurance companies, and as blame-worthy as those companies are in some areas, the fault here needs to be assigned to where it actually originated: the design and mandates of Obamacare.

      Obama created it, the Congress that voted for his bill owns it.

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  2. Paco Loco says:

    Some think that this is just a sham fix when the President could use existing anti-trust law to break up the insurance companies and create a competitive playing field.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232455

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    • Chuck says:

      Paco, How long do you suppose it would take to do that? My guess is – decades

      Liked by 3 people

      • Paco Loco says:

        Why would it take decades? The Sherman Anti-trust law exists and has been used in the past. What it takes is an educated public demanding that the laws be inforced to break up the insurance cartel. Sessions instead of putzing around could build a case and charge them with price fixing and anti trust. Let the courts break them up. Congress doesn’t even need to be involved.

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        • chojun says:

          I don’t think this would work because insurance companies are already so highly regulated – indeed, their very existence is based on the regulatory climate that exists in the US.

          Regarding possible anti-trust activities among insurers and healthcare providers, the problem is a result of the same causes. Since insurance companies can’t sell products across state lines, they have to establish local plans with local providers for care. This gives the appearance of anti-trust behavior. In reality, if a state has only one major provider for a metropolitan area and one major insurer for that area, then I don’t think it’s possible to allege anti-trust among them.

          In reality the opposite problem exists from monopolies – the insurers and providers haven’t boxed out the market, they just happen to be the only ones available for choice.

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          • mimbler says:

            Yes that article, aside from the bad language, the article was not convincing to me at all. Insurance companies are abandoning markets because of how much money they are losing.

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            • TPW says:

              question…..why were the Insurance companies allowed to divide their market into 2 separate markets…group…individual….this should have never been allowed in the first place…..Health insurance should not be considered just another product offered for sale because it deals with health. So if you aren’t fortunate enough to be covered by your big company employer then you deserve to be charged more….I mean basically your individual market premiums can makeup for the reduced premiums charged to the Big companies…..oh yeah and since Big Insurance doesn’t penalize Big company for their employees with preexisting conditions cause they are going to penalize people in their individual market.

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              • mimbler says:

                Because their actuaries can show their cost is lower per individual in a pool because it is subsidized by the healthy people in the pool.
                Individuals tend not to sign up when they are healthy, so the costs per individual are higher.
                You see that in Ocare which is why it is failing even with huge subsidies.

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        • Tom says:

          Look at history. Anti-trust litigation against Ma Bell took over a decade. I don’t know about you but I don’t have a decade to wait. By all means instigate an anti-trust suit against insurers and pharma and hospital groups, but let’s enact this EO in the meantime so I and millions of others can afford health insurance.

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        • GW says:

          Because the lawsuits will take years to weave through the courts. Surely you’re not naive enough to think the companies will roll over without a fight !

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    • Lindenlee says:

      Love Denninger, but this is not an “either/or” thing, it is a “both/and” thing. This will give quicker relief, and will not require the long drawn-out court battle while people suffer.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        Ok…do both. The final fix will be to bust the price fixing thats clearly making medical insurance and treatment in the USA Uber expensive and unaffordable. When we visit our second home in Mexico, I can see a highly qualified(US certified) heart specialist in Guadalajara, Jalisco for an office visit charge of $35.00 usd. In the US it’s $350.00 usd for the same visit. It’s price fixing across the board on treatment and drugs. Medicine in the US is in the control of insurance and pharmaceutical cartels that collude to keep prices high. Metafomin, a drug that lowers blood sugars, I can buy a thirty day supply in Mexico for $10.00 usd. In the States it’s $70.00 usd. Americans have been being ripped off for so long by the medical cartel they can’t even remember when medicine and doctors visits were affordable.

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        • Paco Loco says:

          In the end, all of this will end up in the courts. As you say, it could take years of litigation. Pres. Trump might as well drop the big one on them now and bust up the health care insurance monopoly by applying the Sherman Anti-Trust act.

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        • Thurstan says:

          My guess is the overhead in Mexico is a bit lower.

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          • Lindenlee says:

            It is, but largely because of the legal climate. We desperately need tort reform. I had two cousins who were osteopathic surgeons, and despite no claims and a perfect record, their malpractice insurance was almost $500,000/year. Try paying the overhead for an office, employees, someone to do just the insurance and compliance (or more, restrictions of fees, etc, and the malpractice, and that is why doctors are leaving the filed in droves.

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        • Can’t recall now which but one of the chains in Georgia offered Metformin free at one time.

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        • Congress passes the legislation that their handlers (Big Pharma and the Chamber of Commerce) have written for them. Costs, and profits, skyrocket, insurance companies rather than doctors make the decisions, consumers are charged hundreds of dollars for prescriptions that cost pennies to make (i.e. Epi-pens).

          And anyone who calls them out on it is branded as a horrible person who hates children and poor people! But the house of cards is finally collapsing and maybe, just maybe, this will be the beginning of the end of the disaster otherwise known as Obamacare!!

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        • Lindenlee says:

          Hello Paco, have a house in Chapala, going tomorrow to finish up.

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        • dalethorn says:

          I’m not familiar with all of the costs, but in 1973 I had a 2-week hospital stay (major city, major hospital) in a small private room that was billed at $55 per day.

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        • Bert Darrell says:

          Metformin

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    • Yadent says:

      The article is NOT addressing the cost of insurance nor the insurance companies at all. It is going after the base problem….the cost of HEALTHCARE itself. Denninger is making the point that antitrust law needs to be utilized against the MEDICAL industry not the insurance companies. There is and has been NO restraint on the escalating cost of healthcare. Not healthcare insurance but healthcare itself. That is Denninger’s point. The medical industry is virtually the only business in the US not being subject to antitrust law……and Denninger makes the case that it is NOT immune from such law. Otherwise Rand Paul in his healthcare proposal in Congress would not have included antitrust immunity for the industry. Why no antitrust action has been taken against the medical complex is a question one must ask the political powers that be, both at the state and federal levels.

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    • Brant says:

      You read market ticker too. 🙂

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  3. Guffman says:

    Now let’s wait for some uber-liberal federal judge to challenge this EO – in 3, 2, 1…

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    • FofBW says:

      And like the rest, get their challenge Supreme Court flamed.

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    • Oldschool says:

      Yep

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    • bofh says:

      In fact, we could have a pool on where and when the first challenge will come.

      I’m thinking… Hawaii? By 8PM tonight Hawaii time.

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    • chojun says:

      I don’t think this will happen because ironically Obamacare has innumerable instances of “As the Secretary of HHS shall direct”. There are plenty of regulatory avenues afforded by Obamacare that will allow this to happen.

      Obamacare is really just a regulatory framework built on top of a taxing mechanism. It doesn’t create any products and is nearly entirely implemented in the executive branch.

      This is why people’s short-sightedness in their criticism of Trump’s 3-part repeal/replace plan was so misguided. CONgress can repeal/remove the taxing mechanism and then Trump can largely undo the regulatory framework with his pen alone. Once all that is done a climate exists for a replacement plan.

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      • Lindenlee says:

        Congress thought they could stop him with the obstruction on the legislative part, dead in his tracks. SO he is just doing the regulatory thing now without them. he can bring it down almost all alone, until they have no choice but cooperate or be further exposed for the whores they are.

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        • piper567 says:

          Linden…Let’s hope they opt for the latter…I would love them to be exposed for the whores they are…
          The way things are going now, they can get in line.
          God bless President Trump.

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      • armie says:

        Right you are! It was so designed to let Obama use his “pen” to opposite purpose.

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  4. Skinner says:

    This changes the American health insurance and health care landscape forever.

    This single act eliminates the largest oppressive burden that Jug Ear commie had forced down our throats.

    We The People did this!

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  5. sundance says:

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  6. Sandra-VA says:

    This is brilliant! I remember when I had my business, lamenting that I had no way to get better pricing for health insurance because I was such a small company. I even wondered why we could not join with other small businesses to purchase health insurance… and that was 15yrs ago!

    Health Insurance was the single most expensive cost to my company – and every time one of my people used their insurance, I got a premium increase across the board. Price changed every few months! I also couldn’t avoid having to bear half the cost (I had wanted to just have a group plan that the employees would pay for). I was forced to pay half by the insurance company!

    I think this EO will be the final nail in the OCare coffin, and maybe dramatically change the insurance market AND healthcare costs. People will gather together into associations and finally have POWER to change the market.

    I love it. Of course, it won’t affect the employer based plan that I suffer under right now, but it will help those millions who have been suffering without employer based insurance and forced into OCare or Medicaide.

    Well done, Rand Paul and President Trump!

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  7. lfhbrave says:

    Now my opinion of Rand Paul has changed – he knew all along POTUS would do this if RINOs failed to pass a genuine bill repealing Obamacare. POTUS has been playing 3D chess all along and now no one could blame he wasn’t trying.

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    • Apfelcobbler says:

      Yes, Rand hinted he’d been working on another angle with Pres Trump – it was in one of those casual look-who’s-walking-by rotunda interviews ~3-4 days before the vote. Can’t remember how he worded it, but at the time I interpreted it to mean he was having direct talks with Trump, aimed at influencing the CC. But I remember him projecting confidence about the long-term situation, no matter the outcome of the vote. It’s obvious now that PT/Rand already had a backup plan.

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  8. carrierh says:

    Thank God, this is what I and many others have been wanting and waiting for – freedom to purchase/choose insurance of not, and where we can get the best prices for what WE WANT to have covered. Choices are important and decisions to or not to are also important, so once again, thank you, Pres. Trump. I have Kaiser and consider it outstanding, but this will also help other to choose it or not, and hopefully will cause insurance costs to go DOWN. Don’t forget there are groups of doctors now offering a variety of doctors and their treatment and you pay a monthly fee to see any of those doctors. Also, for Christians, we have medi-share which is also fantastic. In other words, WE NOW HAVE A CHOICE and that is what we had before ACA for those who don’t remember but now with gravy as we can check out insurance and costs in any of our states.

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  9. EbonyRapror says:

    It’s nice to see Rand Paul working with the president on this. While I don’t share many of Paul’s libertarian views – taking this step toward getting the government out of health is one I agree with wholeheartedly.

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    • tdaly14 says:

      He’s actually more conservative than ppl think. He agrees with POTUS on almost everything and has says so many times. Pulling out of TPP, Paris Climate Accord,the Wall, VISA overstays, Regulations, SC Justice and many more. He’s just real vocal about a couple he doesn’t agree on or helps him change it some. Trump doesn’t mind that at all, he appreciates making things better.

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      • Jason says:

        Kabuki – he’s always railing about how this isn’t good enough but never is out pushing his own plan. He’s part of the #resist movement, no better than McCain or Shumer from my POV.

        Glad he’s able to take some credit on this fix

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  10. lawrencepaul1 says:

    This is a truelly great move. He gave both sides a chance to do a deal, now they are left flapping in the wind. This is what leadership looks like.

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  11. carrierh says:

    Sorry my comment was not accepted by this site because why? Nothing inflammatory, no profanity, just jubilation about now being able to return to freedom to or not to have insurance, but now with being able to purchase in any state to cover what we want/need and at cost we can afford. We already have a few selections available, so confused why my comment was not accepted.

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    • lawrencepaul1 says:

      It happens to all of us from time to time. Adrem will probably fish it out of the spam bin before long.

      Liked by 7 people

    • amwick says:

      THe word press mice…. leave them a bit of cheese,,, plz do not take it personally. ‘K? 🙂

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    • dalethorn says:

      This site is under constant attack. You should expect that with any site that exposes so much govt. corruption. When you don’t see your comment, refresh the browser first thing and scroll to where it should be. Most of the time that works for me, but there are a few exceptions.

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    • Bert Darrell says:

      Carrierh: you have a comment posted at 1:54 pm. If that is the one you are “missing”, the next time this happens to you just refresh the page.

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    • piper567 says:

      carrier, this happens to me regularly.
      Its become a game: waiting to see if my comment will be posted.
      Doesn’t have a thing to do with content.
      It seems to be completely random.
      Sometimes after a longish wait, I will rewrite a comment, only to see much later, that I have posted a duplicate.
      I just chalk it up to WP gremlins.

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  12. stinkfoot63 says:

    Uh oh… cue the establishment swamp creatures to rediscover the “Constitution”… in 5…4…3…2…1…

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  13. rsanchez1990 says:

    So I guess we can credit Rand Paul for finding the provision in existing law granting the President the authority to do this?

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  14. dbethd says:

    How does this affect small business owners? Would it work the same as the restaurant example given, but you’d have to find other similar business owners and join together to get insurance?

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  15. Jim says:

    Only one phrase in Sundance’s article gives me pause:
    “could POTENTIALLY allow.”
    Does this mean we have another fight on our hands? Buckle up treepers.

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    • tdaly14 says:

      No, it will take some time to see results. It will work. 6 to 9 months.

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    • fleporeblog says:

      Jim the left and Obamacare MINIONS will try to fight this tooth and nail because they realize two things are going up in smoke; Obamacare and Single Payer. However, the fact that this FREES nearly 28 million Americans will give these bastards pause because the public’s opinion in favor of Obamacare will completely flip to those that will now HATE it. That is a lot of pressure on these BASTARDS!

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      I think “potentially” refers to the fact that it’s your choice and others similarly positioned. If you haven’t heard of the Christian health expense sharing plans that are already out there, that might be a model to look at. So long as the “association” can be quite loose, this action could dramatically change the face of health insurance.

      Health care, however, is another matter. Hopefully, greater choice by individuals in health insurance/financing will ultimately translate in greater respect for individuals in health care itself. Over the last few years, I and my family, though covered by very good employer-sponsored insurance, have seen marked changes for the worse in care delivery that appear tied to both federal regulations and insurance industry meddling (red tape and incentives to do less for patients). If medical institutions and personnel know that their pay comes from insurance, without any control by the individual patient, they will and do serve insurance and not the patient.

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    • mireilleg says:

      That word made me stop too. Why include it? I’d like to know.

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  16. Its 5 OClock Somewhere says:

    And exactly how does this help the individual like me working a shit job only to get health insurance? I am 59 and hubby is retired and on Medicare. No one else will hire me so retail was the only thing I can get.

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    • It's 5 o'clock somewhere says:

      I want to buy normal insurance without having to get a job….like it us d to be. AFFORDABLE

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      • mimbler says:

        Unless they are somehow able to roll in jobless working age people as some part of a larger group, insurance will be expensive, because sick/disabled people are disproportionately concentrated in that group for obvious reasons.

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        • It's 5 o'clock somewhere says:

          I don’t want any to work nor do I have to. I bought into the exchange bullshit for 3 months…..$600 per month with a $6000 deductible. NOTHING Was covered no prescriptions either until you hit the deductible. I am extremely healthy no problems. Got tired of pissing my money out the window. That is why I got a crappy job ….to get the health insurance. What do we (people in my position) do ? I am the forgotten man

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        • Blacksmith8 says:

          The National Federation of independent associates. I’m kidding, but there are independent contractor orgs, small business orgs, and a host of others. Motor clubs, gardeners, home repair, modeling, hobbiests across the nation unite and lower your insurance at the same time

          My personal favorite is the Civilian Marksmanship Program. An interest in rediscovering our heritage is requested however actually going to a range and improving your shooting skill is not required.

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          • mimbler says:

            Yes, I was actually thinking similarly, look how loose some credit union membership requirements are. I think large inclusive groups will be formed as competition by insurance companies heats up,

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      • chicagodeplorable says:

        Do you belong to a credit union? That could be a possibility. I know it used to be, when Association Group plans were popular back in the 70’s and 80’s.

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    • booger71 says:

      If you are working for a small business, the owner would have to join an association of like minded small business people who want to offer their employees health insurance at a group rate.I am sure someone will start one as long as this EO is not tied up in court forever.

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    • tdaly14 says:

      It’s 5 o’clock somewhere. They have retail associations as well. I don’t work but husband does He’s on Medicare as well. I’ll join an association of some kind and buy a bare bones plan like I used to have. Don’t worry, it will work out.

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      Just FYI and without any vetting on my part, have you considered Medi-Share or something like it? Here’s one person’s blog post about it: https://ptmoney.com/medishare-review/ Again, just something to consider and see if it would help you. I think there are other programs like this out there, too. DuckDuckGo (or some other non-tracking internet search) is your friend for more research.

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    • Running Fast says:

      OR… we can start an association of people working shitty jobs. $35 per month membership fee and we get access to group healthcare. Open your thinking on this.

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  17. booger71 says:

    o A broader interpretation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) could potentially allow employers in the same line of business anywhere in the country to join together to offer healthcare coverage to their employees.

    Do I like this EO…of course…does the President have the power to have the Executive Branch broaden existing law? I am not so sure if Constitutionally he has this power. I have a feeling a group of Dhims will sue on Constitutional grounds.

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    • FL_GUY says:

      “I am not so sure if Constitutionally he has this power.”

      I think it is a very safe assumption that President Trump doesn’t make a move without the best legal minds in the country backing it up. That’s the foundation of being a WINNER!

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      • Summer says:

        They will sue him regardless. For “singlehandedly destroying healthcare” or something along the lines of “executive overreach.” Never mind Obama ruling with his pen and phone or their activist judges legislating from the bench.

        You know it is coming. It will end up in the SC.

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    • erinsmemole says:

      I’m not sure the president can do it, but whoever becomes HHS Secretary should be able to. No problem. This may be a cover to get someone approved for the position without this being an issue.

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    • tdaly14 says:

      He does have the Constitutiual authority that’s what took so long to get figured out.

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    • SeekerOfTruth says:

      Much of the insurance industry is run by Regulations not Laws. The laws are mostly just shells and filled in with operating regulations later. Health insurance is a fast and changing area so it is not smart to put much into health laws. Let the regulations do the grunt work. And they can be changed as needed.

      In fact Obamacare is mostly just a shell and was filled in later with thousands of regulations.

      A President can setup health regulations with EO’s and implement them through the various departments and agencies as he is doing.

      Then get a good HHS leader to start rewriting Obamacare regulations to phase it out quicker.

      Only left with the Medicaid people in Obamacare.

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    • ray76 says:

      A presidential order can not override state laws and regulations. The “business of insurance” is regulated by states. An important part of that are the cash reserves required of insurance companies. Which state’s regulation will apply to an insurance company selling to a “Association Health Plan” whose members reside in more than one state? Is the president to decree that cash reserve requirements are to be prorated?

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      • Indimex says:

        Good question. I’m wondering why wouldn’t, or, couldn’t, it work like auto insurance does?

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        • ray76 says:

          No difference. They are licensed by each state they do business in. The products they sell are regulated by that state.

          For example: Aetna, based in Connecticut, sells various insurance products – auto as well as health – in various states. You can not buy a product from another state.

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    • booger71 says:

      Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) was implemented in 1974 as a way for companies to offer retirement benefits and pension plans that didn’t have one in place. IRA’s,401K’s and the like were born out of this law. A few years late, COBRA was added so employees had protection for 90 day after losing a job to find new insurance. I have no idea if ObamaCare addressed this when it was implemented since ERISA was primarily just pension plans. What the President seems to have done was to instuct the various agencies DOL etc to broaden the language in ERISA to include group health insurance as well as pensions, or basically change existing law by way of EO.

      Like I said before, I like it, and it helps a lot of people, but I was just looking at the constitutional aspects of Presidential power and the 10th Amendment questions that will surely arise from the implementation of this EO.

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      • HolyLoly says:

        With respect to the 10th Amendment aspect, the commerce clause in the Constitution allows the feds to “regulate” or make regular, interstate commerce. Lifting the prohibition against selling across state lines is how federal regulations can be applied without jeopardizing state powers.

        I was also surprised that existing legislation allows — according to all present at the signing ceremony — an executive order to change this much of the health care paradigm. But I trust our president and Rand Paul’s knowledge on the matter more than my own.

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        • ray76 says:

          Look up the McCarran-Ferguson Act

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          • HolyLoly says:

            What about it? Nothing in that act prohibits lifting prohibitions against portability of insurance markets across state lines. States will still be the primary regulators of intra-state insurance commerce but will not be able to prevent buying or selling outside of their state.

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    • NC PATRIOT says:

      Obamacare gave “the secretary” many rule making powers, some of which are utilized here (by the acting DHHS person) and I think an obscure law also covers some of this. So this is not an EO written “out of the blue” so to speak. That is why he and Rand have been working on this for months. Remember, Rand is also an MD.

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  18. FL_GUY says:

    In the battle of wits against President Trump, the swamp critters are unarmed. Whatever they scheme, he is 10 steps ahead of them. Thank God we have President Trump who is a true genius and genuinely loves the USA and We the People.

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  19. SeekerOfTruth says:

    Excellent, Excellent.
    So by this time next year Obamacare will contain only Medicaid. Done with the real pay for insurance Obamacare.

    Oh. And remove Congress and staff Obamacare subsidies. Get them to join one of these new health associations – for non working people.

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  20. Eric Kennedy says:

    Historic day. This should be better than even pre-Obamacare days. Finally, cross border competition.

    As for Obama…

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  21. Apfelcobbler says:

    The demise of ObamaCare is an object lesson ripe for conservatives in 2018 and beyond – people can make the explicit connection of seeing the marketplace work, after seeing (and experiencing) central planning tyranny implode. Bernie’s dream will be proven a siren song of disaster, as capitalism does what it does best. The whole cycle will have taken place in a 4-yr time frame, so it’s tangible proof for all except the most brain-addled left.

    Just think of the amount of disingenuous effort Obama put into pushing his immoral pet project! All those lies! (To be fair, credit also due to our friend Justice Kennedy who creatively patted the 3-pointer through the hoop.)

    Now that President Trump is restoring competition across state lines, quality can improve, rapidly. By this time next year, there should be market fulfillment in place with policies people want and NEED. Who knows, maybe you’ll even get your insurance plan (and doctors) that you couldn’t “keep”! That’ll be MAGA Winning.

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  22. Aren’t we glad Hillary is not POTUS? Thank you God!

    I take my hat off to our PDT, and to Rand Paul.

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  23. yadent says:

    Great news for a TEMPORARY solution. Health insurance is a means of PAYMENT for a service(healthcare). If the cost of the service/product(healthcare) continues to increase on a yearly basis at a rate multiples greater than inflation, how long before those health insurance premiums resume their climb upward?? Demand more of a free market within the medical/pharmaceutical industry (required posting of ALL provider prices, level billing, re-importation back into the US of pharmaceuticals/medical devices at current world prices, to name a few items) and the ‘payment’ side of the equation will take care of itself.

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    • joninmd22 says:

      .Very true this only addresses access to insurance and is a campaign promise for the president.

      Other cost drivers must be lowered as well such as uncompensated care for all who show up, malpractice insurance and lawsuit abuse, etc.

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      • Indimex says:

        The easiest and most effective way to reduce costs related to, “uncompensated care for all who show up,” is to require a copay. Copay only needs to be equal to the cost of a pack of cigarettes for an office visit. Double, or triple for a trip to the ER. Same for an ambulance ride. Believe me, I’m an ICU/ER RN, a nominal copay would deter the majority of frivolous medical care seekers. It’s the patients with no skin in the game that are abusing the system.

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    • mireilleg says:

      Why can’t people stop confusing healthcare and health insurance is beyonf me. I have been saying that for years.

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    • piper567 says:

      Someone suggested earlier that prices be posted for comparison.
      I was in the ER for many hrs once. The hospital did a test on me that an MD had done not many months prior.
      The MD charged me $270, and the hospital charged me ~$700!!!
      I called my Insurance to let them know they were being screwed, and they said they had to pay according to what the hospital charged.
      Lots of graft.

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  24. chojun says:

    Interestingly the Unions should stand to benefit hugely from this.

    As I’ve said above I think this EO will create a snowball effect throughout the US. Before long small businesses should have better coverage options with lower premiums than even huge employers.

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      Won’t it be hilarious when SEIU forms an association to provide health insurance to its members and they all suddenly realize it was PDJT, not a Demonrat who made that possible. Or if SEIU leadership refuses this opportunity and their membership sees that they’re being sold down the river for nothing.

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  25. bofh says:

    I find it interesting that Drudge is so far ignoring this story. I would think that it’s quite newsworthy.

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  26. justme928 says:

    Can someone answer if this will help someone who is retired, but too young for Medicare? Retired as in no job at all. Can such people create a stay-at-home, semi old gizzers association so we can purchase across state lines, and purchase as a group?

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    • mimbler says:

      You would be able to, but that group would have high rates. As I posted previously, non working people younger than medicare age have a disproportionate share of pre-existing conditions/disablements.
      Yes, there are those that are just financially able to not work, but a lot are in that group because they are sick/disabled, so the group rates would be high.

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      • justme928 says:

        I see how his is a step in the right direction. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for President Trump to improve the health insurance situation for the young retired group.

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        • fleporeblog says:

          justme928 are you capable to work 20hrs a week? The reason I ask is because you could choose a job in a retail store or in a restaurant etc. It would not provide you the health benefits but it would allow you to group with thousands if not millions of Americans.

          If not, there is nothing stopping you from saying you are self employed and you are running your garden or your farm (if you don’t currently have either, maybe purchase a hog or two or some chickens and plant some tomatoes etc). You can then group with the Farmers of America.

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          • justme928 says:

            Yes, I am capable of dong all kinds of work. I wonder if I volunteered at the local VA, which I have been thinking about doing, if there are associations for volunteer people. If not, I wonder if one can be created. As far as hogs or chickens, as much as I would over to do something like that, my HOS would freak.

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            • fleporeblog says:

              I love the idea of volunteering and joining an association based on that fact! I have a funny feeling that they will allow as many Americans as possible to join all different types of associations. I promise to keep my eye out for you and if I find something I will let you know. My email address is flepore1973@gmail.com if you would like to keep in touch.

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        • mimbler says:

          I’m in that group as well. I’m just fortunate to be part of my previous employer’s group right now. I think the thing for young retired is to find a fit in some larger group as they become available. (i.e. take a class at the local college, and piggyback on their group, etc.)

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          • thesavvyinvester says:

            Insurance law allows any group that is not formed to specifically acquire insurance is a “natural group”. So is your church or synagogue a natural group? Can they fit into this legislation? And you as a retiree purchase said policy through your hall of Faith? That is what I want to know.

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            • mimbler says:

              The devil is in the details. But insurance companies will look at the demographics of the group and set the rate for that group.

              And typically, the larger the group, the lower the rates as it keeps the risk down for the insurance company (more healthy people per sick ratio)

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  27. Gov Jay says:

    Terrific idea and plan of action… but willing to bet that the socialist filth known as the democrats will be filing lawsuits out the wazoo…

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  28. “Lack of congressional action… ”

    I really really wish we could just send the entire swamp home and remove them from the payroll.

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    • yy4u says:

      POTUS should just take away Congress’ small business exemption to ObamaCare and put them on the same insurance and at the same cost as everyone else. He threatened to do that a couple of months ago; why hasn’t he?

      Judge Napolitano on Stuart Varney today said Chuck and Nancy had inserted a provision in the original bill to keep ins. companies from competing. I believe he said that a subscriber COULD purchase a plan outside of state but the cost of the plan had to be the same as the costs of the plans inside the state. Or did I mis-hear or misunderstand.

      Medical costs can never come down by so much so long as we don’t have tort reform, and you can betcha the lawyers in Washington who are beholden to the lawyers who fund them and the lawyers who run the big companies who fund them are NOT going to accept tort reform.

      A successful malpractice lawsuit is hitting the lottery for both the lawyer (gets at least one third of the “take”) and the patient. Are there patients harmed by malpractice? YES. But why should the attorney collect? Keep in mind this is how John Edwards got his multimillions — by successfully launching a malpractice suit.

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    • piper567 says:

      Can someone tell me how this would work in reality?
      If I go to the Doc now, they ask that I bring my Insurance card (canned phonebot instructions ).
      If there are 457 Insurance plans in a community, how would this work for the office folks at at a Dr office? Or are we talking only of Major Medical plans? but it would be the same at a hospital.
      I am sure I am not seeing something elementary here, but I’d love it if someone explained this to me, or had some thoughts to offer.

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  29. Publius2016 says:

    This is why Tom Price is out…this EO has been on the shelf since Day 1…the RINOs and Nevertrumpers promised for 7 years and nothing…even today, they stand around as if they will get a new repeal and replace through…well, you know what, when it’s done call us, til then, please do not say anything.

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  30. O Scott says:

    Remember this is an EO, and can be undone just like PDJT is doing to BO’s work. We still need to rip out Ocare and bury it in a deep hole. Hopefully, this EO will neuter Ocare to the point where the electorate sees it is of no value and it can be swept out with the trash as a full repeal so it doesn’t rise from the dead during a future administration (Dem or GOPe).

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    • Bill Steib says:

      Exactly. Congress still needs to act or the next president can just undo this executive order.

      Congress may not think they can do nothing. But unless they act, this is only a temporary help.

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  31. Founding Fathers Fan says:

    Sundance:
    Health care and health insurance are two separate things. The Constitution never authorized the federal government to be involved in a private business. Health insurance is private business and is confined to each State as authorized by the 10th Amendment. Any ‘good’ that comes out of this happens at the expense of liberty.

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    • Publius2016 says:

      Yes, but the Supreme Court put it through as a federal tax…crazy but true!

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    • joninmd22 says:

      Absolutely true.

      But John McCain never made that argument in 2007 and the republicans were not in the majority in either house when the ACA was passed. Not that the RINOs were opposed to socialized health care per se but they never wanted this fight.

      The reality on the ground is that Healthcare as a right is an accepted norm for now. this is after a century of creeping socialism and it’s going to take time to wean the dependent class off of welfare.

      The republicans had a vote on straight repeal of the ACA in July and it failed 45 – 55.

      The votes are not there.

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    • Blacksmith8 says:

      Well sure but here’s the obysmal care act and it says the fed is in it up to it’s arm pits. Now what? Wait a while and hope it goes away? Or do something about it?
      So the congress critters have failed. Our President Trump [still not tired of saying that] makes a move.
      His last? nope. Will they whine? of course.
      The question is will this work? I say yes
      And again he is aggravating all the right people.
      WOOT!

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    • HolyLoly says:

      However, the Constitution does give the feds the power to regulate, or “make regular,” interstate commerce which does not threaten 10th Amendment state powers. Hence, lifting the prohibition against selling across state lines is a legitimate federal role that will increase competition and lower rates.

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  32. georgiafl says:

    Laughing and crying at the same time! What a President!

    I hope this time next year, we see the full repeal and free market health insurance flourishing again.
    Let Medicaid be reformed for indigent – and let low taxes and regulations create more jobs and that means fewer indigent!

    A prosperous nation is not rocket science – curb the corruption – enforce laws – reduce taxes – resist socialism and Voila a healthy, happy country!

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    • Publius2016 says:

      Tough when there is all that money in the middle for States and Insurance industry…think they’ll compromise on Graham bill…so much pork!

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  33. kriseton says:

    This is actually PERFECT timing! My husband and I recently talked about expanding my business over the next several years to see if he can leave his full-time job and join my business as an employee. One of the big scary things was health insurance, since my husband not only has great insurance that is practically free to us but has pre-existing conditions. This whole EO just made my dreams more possible. If he can eventually leave his job in a few years, we now know that we will have good health insurance options and we don’t have to worry about his problems not being covered. TRUMP IS AWESOME!

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  34. Mia C says:

    Insurance should NOT be tied to a job. It should be like car insurance. Also, they need to cover acupuncture because that works better for a lot of conditions with no side effects. It’s not helpful once you’re too sick, like with Stage 4 cancer, but it does keep you healthy and prevent a lot of illness. They cover it some places, not in others. Lots of modern medicine is harmful to your health. True health care would include some proven alternatives to Western medicine like acupuncture.

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    • Indimex says:

      Acupuncture, as well as other alternative health modalities are covered by HSAs. It’s a matter of how one chooses to spend those dollars.

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      • Indimex says:

        And, you’re right. It should not be tied to a job. It should work like auto insurance.

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        • das411 says:

          “And, you’re right. It should not be tied to a job. It should work like auto insurance.”

          do you get junk mail every week/month from different car insurance companies, offering you a lower rate than the other guy if you’d just call them for a quote?

          ….ever wonder why that doesn’t happen with health insurance?

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  35. ibobland08 says:

    I hate healthcare. I’m pretty well educated and can understand nearly all political issues, but healthcare does not make any sense to me at all.

    I think this executive order will certainly allow an increase in competition and drive down insurance premiums and deductible, but what about the actual healthcare costs? Patients (consumers) should be able to shop around for medical procedures. For example I had to get an MRI done this year. The price could vary from $300 – $2000 and it is nearly impossible to shop around for price. You don’t know the cost until you get the bill and you have to pay! Imagine how much competition would drive down prices if consumers could shop around.

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    • yadent says:

      So true. Who would buy a house or a car with GREAT financing and a GREAT payment plan if the cost of the item purchased was only known AFTER the transaction??? No other business in the US is allowed to operate in such a fashion. Something call antitrust law.

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    • Blaze says:

      Its hard to shop around for an MRI when you have two fractured vertebrata and your discs actually driven right through the top of your vertebrata.

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      • Yadent says:

        Are you saying no cost is too great when one is in pain and ‘helpless’?? If one is starving, a food provider could charge whatever they wanted, only you wouldn’t know the cost till after you have eaten?? Probably costing a lot more if you didn’t have ‘food’ insurance or the ‘right’ insurance……..If prices have been posted the need to shop around would be diminished as free market competition will lower those prices for EVERYONE.

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  36. Steve in Lewes says:

    I think a word of appreciation for Rand Paul is in order. I just sent him an email thanking him for supporting PDJT!

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  37. ledygrey says:

    It appears to NOT address the awful (unconstitutional, in my humble opinion) Obamacare penalty for individuals.

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  38. amwick says:

    Let us all remember !!!!!!!! This has been posted by other people here, but …

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/obamacare-explained-4-sentences-doug-miller

    “10,535 pages reduced to 4 sentences.
    Great summary by a Notre Dame University engineer.

    1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.
    2. Next, we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.
    3. To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.
    4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured, and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured, so it will be ‘free-of-charge’ to them.

    This, ladies and gentlemen, is called “redistribution of wealth” or, by its more common name, SOCIALISM, or “PROGRESSIVE”, the politically correct names for COMMUNISM !

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  39. anthohmy says:

    Walked outside to the two fellas working on the garage – one of them who has sung the song of globalism and fondly remembers his days in the Haight protesting Vietnam, the other the Vietnam Vet swinging the other hammer.

    I told them what the President just did and they both started laughing.

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  40. SD! I love your picture of Pauly! Sour lemon!
    If congress doesn’t want to do it POTUS will do everything on his own!

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  41. wolfmoon1776 says:

    TRAITORS NEVER WIN

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  42. Blaze says:

    Yeah but what about lowing healthcare costs? You know the $165,000.00 pacemakers etc etc etc. Health insurance is actually a VERY small portion of the overall costs. Very small indeed. The evil insurance outfits are not at fault here.

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    • Yadent says:

      Yup. With healthcare cost rising at an annual rate of 8+ percent a year for the last 25+ years, the people needed a way to pay for it, hence ‘insurance’. Insurance will follow the cost trend of the medical industry……..and will ‘contribute’ to that trend in a small way.

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  43. Brant says:

    What is our host’s and others’ take on 15 USC Chapter 1 and insurance industry’s 2 losses at the Supreme Court in the 1970s? In short, as I understand, providers are supposed to list prices for all. Post prices like every other product or service regardless of insurance status. They lost twice at the Supreme Court, but the law has never been enforced.

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  44. POP says:

    What a social engineering disaster for the left.
    This means I won’t have to have compulsory insurance for pregnancy and sex reassignment surgery ?……being officially a male and planning to stay that way.

    “Oh, the humanity……” (the waning State control of our lives and choices will, I fear, drive the Pelosi to strong drink).

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  45. Howie says:

    State of the Senate……Total Corruption and Decay.

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  46. POP says:

    This is going to be about buyer’s clubs.
    The Fraternal Association of Two-Eared Oddfellows will have massive buying power.
    That same Association might eventually own hospitals.

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  47. Michael says:

    Congress COULD have solved this problem and taken ALL the credit.
    Now they will (hopefully) get what the littlest pig got.

    Liked by 1 person

  48. Howie says:

    Slowly, but surely a great weight is lifting off of The United States of Americas shoulders.

    Liked by 1 person

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