President Trump Meets With Ukrainian President Poroshenko at The White House…

President Donald Trump meets with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko at the White House. Additional comments on the death of American college student Otto Warmbier, who died from severe neurological injuries six days after his return from captivity in North Korea.

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101 Responses to President Trump Meets With Ukrainian President Poroshenko at The White House…

  1. Summer says:

    Putin next?

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  2. Coldeadhands says:

    More accomplishments while the mendacious media continues to obsess over fake news.
    Winning!

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  3. Joe says:

    Press rumor:

    Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, Andrei Paruby, has stated that the draft security agreement between Ukraine and the United States, which could be signed, provides for the deployment of US military reserves on Ukrainian territory.

    “It calls for special joint operations, joint research and development projects, and even the placing on the territory of Ukraine military forces of the United States of America-” Paruby said.

    He also stressed that the agreement “brings a new level of cooperation between Ukraine and the United States.”

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    • Bull Durham says:

      Pauby is on video and copious photos directing the snipers of Maidan during the massacre in the square he coordinated killing over 100 Berkut policemen.

      Another great “ally” of the warmongers of Washington.

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      • I remember staying up all night more than once to watch livestreams of those “protests”. The fireworks, the molotov cocktails, the flaming barricades and the endless drumbeat. That, and the dead and wounded from sniper fire. And I’m still not clear on just what I was witnessing. Was it an honest grassroots uprising against a corrupt government, or the seizure of a government by foreign backed thugs?

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        • Bull Durham says:

          It was both an uprising (though heavily orchestrated) and a putsch, a coup against a Democratically elected President. People have grievances against corruption throughout all Ukraine. The CIA and State Dept. turned the anger into anti-Russia hysteria and organized the nazis (they adore Bandera in Ukraine) to create victims (Heavenly Heroes) and brutalize the Berkut, national police.

          2.5 million Ukies have gone to Russia, all the remaining Berkut went there, and the two Oblasts broke away when the law was passed to outlaw the dominant language Russian.
          92 % of the language used was Russian.

          Porky announced the ATO, an ethnic cleansing military operation to kill off the militia in Donbass. He’s lost that war over and over. In Feb. 2015, in Minsk, Belarus, Porky agreed to the Minsk 2 Accords, 13 steps he has to do in order, 1-13. He’s done none of them.
          The UNSC backed the Accords three days after the signing in February 2015.

          Since then, he’s violated the removal of heavy weapons, tanks, rockets, artillery and mortars from the contact zone, and from the 75 km zone (some equipment had been pulled back). But as soon as the Donbass equipment was in storage, marked by OSCE observers Porky sent his back to bombard every day and night and kill more people for 2.5 years.

          If anyone in D.C. thinks the Russian’s will negotiate back the border, the Donbass, and let the nazis kill all the people, they are on drugs, delusional.

          Just is not going to happen. As likely as if the US would give back to Britain the 13 colonies.

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          • So while I was sympathetic to the protesters, I was actually rooting for nazis who (with CIA help) overthrew the elected (but fiscally corrupt) government, and then launched an ethnic purge? Do I have that right?

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            • Bull Durham says:

              Correct. The idea was to sweep Ukraine out of the Russian orbit and take it into NATO so we could put troops right at their throat and technically defeat their missile defenses.
              Also, to interrupt the dominance of Russian gas into Europe. That would have finished them economically.

              Packaged as democracy, the Deep State has sold us many such lies and disasters.
              Imagine if the Russians had done the same to Canada. Would we give in, give up?
              Russia will never allow an strong Ukraine as enemy on their border. Nor would we.

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              • Sometimes it seems that we Americans are too consumed with worry over whether or not we will achieve the most desirable (for us) end result that we don’t stop anc think about how it was achieved, or who got hurt along the way. We don’t want to see “how the sausage is made” just as long as it tastes good.

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            • Mike Cee says:

              No. You do not have that right. Bull is living up to his name. 100 Berkut police were not killed. 100 protestors were. About 23 of which were police. Mysteriously, members of Berkut ran away to Russia after they fired on and killed civilian protestors at Maidan. Bull is not telling you that the previous “democratically elected” president of Ukraine…Yanocovich, was very pro Russian and backed by Putin. Now, the people in the East of Ukraine are not “freedom fighters or resistance fighters.” They are communist separatists. Bull, will tell you next that the people of Crimea also “democratically elected” to be part of Russia. As in past soviet days, the people of Crimea had no choice because of the wording on the ballets and heavily armed troops on the streets of Crimea the day of voting…and those were not Ukrainian troops. They want to bring about a new soviet era pushed country called “Novorossiya” or New Russia. I get the fact people in Eastern Ukraine want to maintain their Russian identity…but do not break off a piece of a sovereign nation and form your own country based upon another country one professes to love and want to be a part of…that makes no sense…just pack your bags and go live in Russia. These separatists also openly wave communist era soviet union flags, display pictures of stalin, profess how they want a soviet restoration, and an American ex military criminal by the name of Russell Bonner “Tex” Bently the third is in Eastern Ukraine possible engaging in terrorist activities killing foreign nationals. No nation recognizes either of these two (DNR, LPR) self proclaimed communist states. These two illegitimate communist states have also nationalized ANY and all businesses there from banks to hotels. These people mean nothing to Putin and Russia. Putin wants Eastern Ukraine and Crimea so that he can have unchallenged access to the Middle East, Ukrainian oil and gas rigs have been dragged from Ukrainian waters to Russian / Crimean controlled waters and are profiting from this, and for Eastern Ukraine’s resources like Iron and it’s fertile agriculture. When Ukraine was under communism, it was referred to as the “breadbasket” because it fed the rest of the soviet union. Russia has also filed a frivolous claim that Ukraine owes them a ridiculous amount of money for gas from gazprom they never used and the court in Sweden has ruled in Ukraine’s favor. Ukraine does not officially support, embrace, or condone National Socialism. The elements that do are reserve / home guard units, not the government and full time regular military. Now, the self proclaimed republics in Eastern Ukraine officially support / embrace / condone communism. Unlike Bull, I know what I am talking about…I am third generation American of Ukrainian ancestry and have been following these events since 2014. Funny how Bull likes to talk Bull about a topic he clearly demonstrated he knows nothing about, and say what Ukraine has violated. Russia has violated the Budapest moratorium, especially ironic since Russia was a signer to this agreement. Please feel free to ask me more…I have plenty of links to support my claims.

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              • I do renember some of what you say. The corruption of Yanokovich was revealed after his mansion was seized. And I do recall that snipers were targeting protesters, as some of the videos, photos and news reports showed. One thing that I can’t understand is how anyone in the Ukraine could support communism after the way that Stalin starved millions of them to death during the holodomor..

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              • DontBelieveThem says:

                Allow me to debunk all the lies and nonsense you’ve just written:

                1) The police were not attacking the “peaceful” protesters. The police and the special forces weren’t throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at anyone. Videos are online, people can see who the aggressor was, and it wasn’t the law enforcement units. So stop lying. The evidence is online and I encourage everyone to look at it.

                2) It’s true that many Ukrainians, including former police and military personnel, fled Ukraine and settled in Russia; that’s because not every Ukrainian is a Russophobic Neo-Nazi. Over 1 million Ukrainian citizens sought refuge in Russia in 2015 (google it), and they weren’t running away from freedom and democracy. If Russia is such a bad country, why did over a million Ukrainian citizens seek asylum in Russia in 2015?

                3) Yanukovych had won a presidential election! He was the democratically elected president of Ukraine and he was removed unconstitutionally. Ukraine’s constitution clearly states that at least 75% of all Rada (Parliament) members need to vote in favor of ousting the country’s President in order for him to be replaced and this minimum percentage was not reached (google it). So Porky Porkoshenko is not the legitimate President of Ukraine. This is an important fact that many Ukrainian propagandists “forget” to mention.

                4) The rebels in the east ARE NOT COMMUNISTS. This accusation is typical of Ukrainian Neo-Nazis who like to accuse everyone they disagree with of being “communist”. Communism is dying in Russia. The Russian communist party is the third most relevant party in the country and it’s about to slide behind the Liberal Democratic Party lead by (crazy) Zhirinovsky. Russia is never returning to communism. Ever.

                5) 95% of the people living in Crimea are ETHNIC RUSSIANS. At no point did they accept to be part of Ukraine. After the fall of the USSR (1991), Crimea had a referendum and voted in favor of reuniting with Russia; this was ignored by Kiev. The people in Crimea have ALWAYS expressed their wish to reunite with Russia ever since. The fact that everyone in Crimea was dancing and singing in the streets and waving Russian banners after they saw the results of the 2014 referendum is proof that the referendum is legitimate and reflects the will of the people. No army can force 95% of the island’s inhabitants to dance and sing in the streets with joy after they’ve seen the vote results. Last but not least, when Crimea was incorporated into Russia after the referendum, NOBODY opposed, NOBODY was killed. Probably because the people in Crimea want to be part of Russia.

                6) Novorossia (New Russia) is the name of Ukraine’s South-Eastern area because this area had been conquered by the Russian Empire during the Turko-Russian wars. You can’t change history. At least 25 US states have kept the names they had before they became parts of the US. States like Louisiana, Wisconsin, Florida, etc don’t have Anglophone names but it would be ridiculous to say these states want to break away from the US.

                7) The Russian separatists are actually displaying TSARIST flags and symbols. You are confusing the Russian EMPIRE with the USSR. Yes, there are some rebels who still worship Stalin, but they are a minority. The majority of the rebels are not communists or Stalinists. Again, you’re using Neo-Nazi tactics and you’re accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a “communist”. Ukraine’s army includes a Neo-Nazi battalion whose insignia is an uglier version of Hitler’s swastika. Many members of this battalion proudly display Nazi-themed tattoos and symbols. The evidence is online. I encourage everyone to look it up lest they think I’m lying.

                8) The people living in DNL and LPR recognize these two states; that’s enough.

                9) Putin might be a criminal, but he loves his country because he won’t sell it out. Porky Porkoshenko has sold Ukraine out and all he cares about is his off-shore accounts in Panama. Why isn’t he investing his money in Ukraine? Because he doesn’t care about Ukraine. Putin at least cares about Russia. That’s why he won’t sell it out.

                10) No, Putin doesn’t want to extend his control into Ukraine; the ethnic Russians, who make up about 18% of the people living Ukraine, simply don’t recognize the current illegitimate regime. Porky Porkoshenko decided to bomb these ethnic Russians into submission, which obviously didn’t work because you can’t kill 18% of your own people. Putin only took advantage of the chaos in Ukraine just as the US and NATO did. How can we forget Victoria Nuland’s infamous telephone conversation in which she was giving instructions on what should happen in Ukraine after Yanukovych was deposed? If the US and NATO can interfere in Ukraine’s coup, so can Russia. After all, 18% of the people living in Ukraine are Russians.

                11) Ukraine owes Russia billions of dollars in unpaid bills. Last March a UK court ruled that Ukraine had no reason not to pay its 3 billion dollar debt to Russia. So please stop lying. Ukraine has been up to its nose in debt to Russia for years! It’s a fact. Google it.

                12) Ukraine is DE FACTO encouraging Nazism and fascism by allowing the Azov battalion, an openly Neo-Nazi group, to be part of Ukraine’s national army. Whoever thinks I’m lying can just google the Azov battalion. It takes less than a minute of research for one to understand that Ukraine’s army recruits Neo-Nazis. The fact that many Nazi collaborators have recently been acclaimed as national heroes speaks volumes.

                13) Please stop accusing the Russians of being “communists”. Russia has abandoned communism. Maybe Ukraine should abandon fascism and Nazism.

                14) Ukraine violated its own constitution when it deposed Yanukovych without the consent of at least 75% of the Rada. Why should Putin respect the Budapest memorandum if Ukraine doesn’t even respect its own constitution?

                15) You are the living proof that the US needs to stop taking in immigrants from poor countries; you bring your poverty with you, you bring your ethnic violence with you. The US does not need Nazi Ukrainians who care about Ukraine more than they care about the US. You pledged allegiance to the US, not to Ukraine. So stop demonizing Russia. As an American you should care about the US more than about Ukraine (which isn’t even a country since 50% of its territory was taken from Hungary, Poland, Romania, Belarus and Russia).

                I suggest you stop LYING to us. The evidence is online. Everyone can see Ukraine is allowing Neo-Nazis to kill people in the East. Everyone saw what happened during the coup. Everyone heard Victoria Nuland’s phone calls and everyone knows the coup was orchestrated by the deep corrupt state and foreign entities. The Ukrainian people, the normal people, had nothing to do with your fake revolution.

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      • bertdilbert says:

        I do not see how we can expect Europe/NATO to push, push, push in eastern Europe and then not expect Putin to push back at some point. Ukraine is a bottomless pit of western debt that is not going to be paid back.

        This is nothing about what the people of Ukraine want, it is what external forces want, so shelve democracy in the name of democracy or something like that.

        I am still ticked we are in Afghanistan with no end in sight while they are growing more poppies than ever. Meanwhile Trump promised NH that he was going to do something about the drug problem. The reason heroin is a problem again is because it is cheap again, allowing people to be able to afford getting hooked.

        We can neither fix the Ukraine or Afghanistan, so we should take our lumps and get the hell out.

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        • dayallaxeded says:

          We should, indeed, stop taking lumps in these sh_tholes and leave them to their own devices. A lot of places, like Ukraine and all the _stans need a strong arm, like Russia to tamp (i.e., stomp) down their more violent and anarchistic factions. All of these sewer backwaters aren’t our problems. Let Russia have them, along with their problems and debts.

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        • Left_at_ says:

          We have 100% control of the airspace above Afghanistan. Eradicating the entire poppy crop is a matter of politics and will, not lack of ability.

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    • Ned says:

      We should pull out military out of Europe, and put some in the Ukraine and put some on our BORDERS – north and south. Germany and other countries are NOT paying up.

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  4. SEJMON says:

    is this man-pornoshenko responsible for killing 10 000 civilians in eastern Ukraine ????

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    • Bull Durham says:

      And he’s very honored to be paid to kill those citizens of his country.

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    • Mike Cee says:

      There has been a war going on there since 2014. Not all have been civilians. BTW, the communist separatists in Eastern Ukraine kill people too. That 10,000 number is a total of loss of life on both sides committed by both parties.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        Why would ethnic Russians kill their own people who support them? Seriously, this Ukrainian propaganda isn’t working. Try something else.

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  5. MakeAmericaGreat says:

    You own Otto, Obama.

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    • rashamon says:

      Along with Biden and Nuland. Why didn’t they send specialist to help the Ukraine solve their food shortage problem rather than marching up and down the lines of protesters handing out slices? You know, the old “give a man a fish” maxim.

      Oh, right. Not the photo op appropriate to their political scheming. My bad.

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    • rashamon says:

      Sorry, MAG, misunderstood. Meant this for the Ukraine thread.

      AND, Obama owns Otto big time!

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    • Mike says:

      As much as I despise Obama, Otto’s demise has several “owners”. Otto, the Chinese “safari” tour promoter, Kim, Obama and the Clintons.

      It sounds like Otto’s safari went seriously wrong early on with his torture producing neurological injuries.

      The kid blundered into bad odds with some Chinese tour operator (a provocateur?) and lost. Of course, Kim and his thugees ache for a brain pan cleaning moment.

      I’m not sure Obama could have stopped this one short of regime change early on. Obama’s obvious weaknesses and questionable origins were contributory but more so Clinton’s earlier rewards for bad behavior.

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  6. cdnintx says:

    A few random thoughts….I don’t see a photo of Trump shaking hands with Poroshenko or of Trump meeting him as the door like some of the other visiting world leaders….I don’t think Trump would sign any agreements before at least meeting Putin face to face in July hopefully.

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  7. magatrump says:

    What a disgrace that happened to Otto. You won it Obama.

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  8. magatrump says:

    you own it Obama

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  9. SEJMON says:

    I hope he will not sign with pornoshenko any agreement after killing10 000 civilians, tens of thousands injured, 1.5 millions forced to leave estearn Ukraine,not paying pensioners….. check fortruss site.

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    • Mike Cee says:

      Again, you fail to comprehend there has been a war going on there since 2014. That 10,000 you keep referencing is a total loss of life from both sides committed by Ukrainian government forces AND communist separatist forces in Eastern Ukraine.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        SEJMON made a great point: if the Russian separatists are so evil, why have over a million Ukrainians sought asylum in Russia since 2015? Why are these Ukrainians running to Russia instead of to Western Ukraine? Care to explain?

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  10. SR says:

    This is to make uni-party and deep state happy. But behind the scene things can be different.

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  11. I hope some day we see a photo of Trump and Putin with shovels working on building the wall together.

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  12. KPomeroy says:

    This is a travesty. Petro Poroshenko is a mass murderer. He has been killing civilians in Donbass since he was elected, in an unconstitutional vote that did not include Donbass citizens, in June 2014. There is nothing sunny or cheerful about this meeting, unless Trump tells Poroshenko to go to h*ll.

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    • before i read this story, i thought to myself….prez maga’s body language is off in that photo. he looks miserable. of course, a photo is an instant in time, but it’s not at all what we’re used to seeing when he meets with foreign leaders.

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    • SEJMON says:

      Wholehearthly agree with you- he represent worst government in Europe….why would PDJT snake hand with him.

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    • Mike Cee says:

      I fyou have not noticed, there is a war going on in Ukraine since 2014. Both sides…Ukrainian government forces AND communist separatist forces in Eastern Ukraine have been killing people…civilian AND military…btw, that makes Putin a mass murderer as well especially since he has full knowledge of what is going on there, annexed a piece of a soverreign nation, trains, equips, and finances the communists separatists in Eastern Ukraine.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        If Putin is such an evil mass murderer why have over a million Ukrainians sought asylum in his country (Russia) as of 2015? If Porky Porkoshenko is such a great leader, why are people fleeing his country in such big numbers? And why did he transfer his money to his Panama off shore accounts right after the rebels in the East had fended off a major Ukrainian offensive? Is he afraid he’ll lose his money after Ukraine falls apart? I’m sure someone who loves his country will do that.

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  13. filia.aurea says:

    It’s hard to imagine one man fighting off the Deep State’s agenda, with almost no help. I don’t know how you do it Mr. President, except by fully asserting your Constitutional powers. #MAGA

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  14. Jlwary says:

    I think a lot was said when POTUS said that we had a lot of involvement in Ukraine.. I feel there was some ironic understatement implied.

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  15. aredtailblog says:

    Reading the comments, it seems like Poroshenko is the reason Crimea demanded Russia annex their area?

    Ukraine looks to be a mess. Oy.

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    • Mike Cee says:

      Crimea made no such demand. On the day of “voting” ballets worded in such a way in typical soviet era fashion, gave no choice to the people of Crimea but to join with russia and there were also heavily armed troops on the streets of Crimea that day…they were not Ukrainian troops either.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        WRONG! I suggest you do your homework before you talk about something.
        In 1994 Crimea had a referendum and the people voted in favor of reuniting with Russia.
        Kiev ignored this referendum.

        The Russian troops were in Crimea LEGALLY, as part of a deal between Russia and Ukraine (again, google it!).

        Since everyone in Crimea was dancing and cheering in the streets after the results of the 2014 referendum, it’s safe to say the people in Crimea wanted to reunite with Russia.

        At the end of the day it’s the people in Crimea that decide what happens to Crimea. Since the number of Ukrainian residents in Crimea has been exactly ZERO in the past 1, 500 years, I don’t think you are in the position to decide what should happen to Crimea.

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  16. Bull Durham says:

    I am very much still pro-POTUS, despite this situation today in the Oval Office.
    I may be rationalizing it, but I think Trump knows Ukraine is poison, truly evil.
    I rationalize by thinking he has been threatened at his weakest point, children and grandchildren.
    I rationalize by saying the only way he would play the neocon game would be with a gun to his head (his children’s head).

    I pray for him.

    We understand today is an aberration and we hope the Lord will inspire DJT to find a good solution to this very disturbing situation.

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    • Niagara Frontier says:

      A lesson I learned from the mentally and physically exhausting debates over the break-up and subsequent wars in the former Yugoslavia, we Americans have little or no patience for nuance, long term historical rivalries, nor for the passions of pure ethnic hatred.

      We seem to want things presented in simple dichotomy: black and white, goods guys and bad guys, white hats and black hats, etc.

      That’s how I sense this debate over what to do with Ukraine will go.

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    • Deplorable Ukie says:

      I hope that this news doesn’t push you over the edge.
      Rudolph Giuliani, the informal adviser to U.S. President Donald Trump and former New York mayor, said this in an interview with Novoye Vremya portal.

      “Ukraine that is free from Russian occupation is one of the important interests of the United States, and Trump will insist on this interest and achieve it,”
      https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-politics/2249216-trump-to-insist-on-ukraines-liberation-from-russian-occupation-giuliani.html

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      • Deplorable Ukie says:

        This may also help next time when you want to say ” Ukraine is poison, truly evil.”

        The exhibition “Ukraine – the home of the Blessed Virgin” presented 107 copies locally and miraculous icon of Our Lady from all regions of Ukraine, who became famous on Ukrainian soil since the XI century to the present day. The originals of these icons are in churches and monasteries of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

        http://news.church.ua/2017/06/19/u-polshhi-vidkrito-vistavku-pro-chudotvorni-ikoni-z-ukrajini/
        Translation is not very good.

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        • Deplorable Ukie says:

          ‘I am very much still pro-POTUS, despite this situation today in the Oval Office.’
          Tell us again how Jared Kushner and Ivanka are useless.

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      • SEJMON says:

        Giuliani=nuland=McCain=pornoschenko=rabid russophobists

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        • Mike Cee says:

          Let me get this straight. Russia illegally annexes a piece of a sovereign nation and they are russophobic? LOL Who invaded who? You russophile aggression apologist.

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          • DontBelieveThem says:

            And Ukraine illegally ousted its president and owes Russia 3 billion dollars in unpaid bills. As long as the Azov battalion, a group of murderous Neo Nazis, is part of Ukraine’s army, the people in Crimea have the right to decide their fate.

            Plus, Ukraine didn’t legally annex Crimea 70 years ago. The transfer wasn’t fully legal. Russia took back what it shouldn’t have lost in the first place.

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      • Marc says:

        Have you not considered why Giuliani and Amb. Bolton still aren’t part of the Trump administration? It’s because of their entrenched pro-globalist Ukraine and anti-Russia dealings.

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        • Deplorable Ukie says:

          September 2015.
          “Our president is not strong, and he is not doing what he should be doing for the Ukraine,” Trump, speaking from New York, declared to the Yalta European Strategy Forum.
          “It’s amazing what you’ve had to endure,” he added, referring to the conflict with Russia. “The spirit of the Ukrainian people is absolutely incredible.”

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          • Marc says:

            And that translates to what kind of policy? Trump isn’t keen on sending US troops there like Hillary, McCain, Bolton, and other neocons are. I hope he gets us completely uninvolved with the whole matter. I means nothing for US security.

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            • Deplorable Ukie says:

              Let Trump be Trump.

              ‘And that translates to what kind of policy?’
              America first?
              It’s about economy. President Trump dreams of returning the United States to the status of dominant power in the energy sector.

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    • Sentient says:

      And agreeing with the neocons and Sunni kings to depose Assad is also – I hope – an aberration to be reversed. Syria under Sunni rule will be worse than under Assad.

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      • ThankYou,Treepers says:

        Excellent appendage to Bull Durham’s profoundly sobering insight, Sentient.

        The addition of one word, Israel, would hone the precision of your comment:

        “And agreeing with ISRAEL, the neocons and Sunni kings to depose Assad…”

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  17. Joe says:

    Fill everyone in on Arseny Yatseniuk, Victoria Newland, the billions the US invested in promoting ethnic divisions. Will the Transcarpathia be free again?

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    • G. Combs says:

      DNC operative, Alexandra Chalupa, “daughter of Ukrainian immigrants who maintains strong ties to the Ukrainian-American diaspora and the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine: seems to be the origin of Muh Russia.

      January 2017 — Politico: Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire “Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.”

      3/21/2017 Daily Caller: Former DNC Official [Alexandra Chalupa] Partnered With Convicted Bomb Maker To Investigate Trump

      More on Alexandra Chalupa
      The Anonymous Blacklist Promoted by the Washington Post Has Apparent Ties to Ukrainian Fascism and CIA Spying
      Digging deeper into the PropOrNot controversy.

      ” […]One of the key media sources who blamed the DNC hacks on Russia, ramping up fears of crypto-Putinist infiltration, is a Ukrainian-American lobbyist working for the DNC. She is Alexandra Chalupa—described as the head of the Democratic National Committee’s opposition research on Russia and on Trump, and founder and president of the Ukrainian lobby group “US United With Ukraine Coalition”, which lobbied hard to pass a 2014 bill increasing loans and military aid to Ukraine, imposing sanctions on Russians, and tightly aligning US and Ukraine geostrategic interests.

      In October of this year, Yahoo News named Chalupa one of “16 People Who Shaped the 2016 Election” for her role in pinning the DNC leaks on Russian hackers, and for making the case that the Trump campaign was under Kremlin control. “As a Democratic Party consultant and proud Ukrainian-American, Alexandra Chalupa was outraged last spring when Donald Trump named Paul Manafort as his campaign manager,” the Yahoo profile began. “As she saw it, Manafort was a key figure in advancing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s agenda inside her ancestral homeland — and she was determined to expose it.”

      Chalupa worked with veteran reporter Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News to publicize her opposition research on Trump, Russia and Paul Manafort, as well as her many Ukrainian sources. In one leaked DNC email earlier this year, Chalupa boasts to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda that she brought Isikoff to a US-government sponsored Washington event featuring 68 Ukrainian journalists, where Chalupa was invited “to speak specifically about Paul Manafort.” […]”

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    • Mike Cee says:

      Yes, once Russia stops subscribing to their soviet era mentality of they still own the former republics and satellites.

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  18. Niagara Frontier says:

    Some of us don’t understand snark as well as others. It would be helpful if you explained precisely what you mean to say or who you are accusing by your comment. Thanks.

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  19. Apfelcobbler says:

    Here is Putin’s summary of the Ukrainian uprising, beginning with events just before the EU began enticing Ukrainians with economic siren songs (remember Greece?). He deliberately leaves it vague on who the snipers were, probably to not reveal any clues to sources/methods. But he lays out the events leading to his annexing Crimea – a reasonable and appropriate move given the level of provocation going on. Check out 2:30 – 24:00
    mins, if time permits:

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    • Mike Cee says:

      Well, according to your logic along with Putin’s logic…any African country or even Mexico has the right to send troops into the United States under the same auspices. “a reasonable and appropriate move” AKA Illegal Annexation of a Sovereign Nation.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        Actually no. No part of the US is comparable to Crimea, which was annexed by Ukraine 60 years ago. Ukraine got Crimea under questionable circumstances because some laws were not respected at the time.

        Russia only corrected the error and got back what it should not have lost in the first place. 95% of the people in Crimea are Russians and 95% of the people in Crimea chose to go back to Russia. We saw how the whole island was celebrating its reunification with Russia. So please don’t spin it.

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    • Deplorable Ukie says:

      ‘…enticing Ukrainians with economic siren songs…’

      What is more, Poroshenko and Tillerson discussed the enhancement of trade, economic and investment cooperation between the two countries.
      https://www.unian.info/politics/1987181-poroshenko-tillerson-coordinate-positions-on-ending-russian-aggression-in-donbas.html

      The United States are going to supply coal to Ukraine. Pennsylvania miners will be busy.
      Also Ukraine is interested in an opportunity of supplying U.S. liquefied natural gas (LNG) to its market across the Black Sea.

      .

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        Ukraine is just a corrupt, bankrupt country. You don’t do deals with countries that are corrupt and bankrupt. The relationship between Ukraine and the US will never result in marriage, to put it nicely. So let’s cut the crap already. Ukraine will probably fall apart in a few years. It’s a failed state.

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  20. daughnworks247 says:

    Remember, Ukraine worked with Hillary campaign.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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    • Niagara Frontier says:

      I guess he’s over it. Porochenko was just on Bret Baier lavishly praising President Trump. For even an ardent supporter of the President like me, the praise seemed a little over the top. To hear Porochenko talk, he and POTUS are BFF.

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    • Apfelcobbler says:

      Yes, Ukraine meddling one one area where deep contacts and pressure groups from Democrats and NeoCons intersect.

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  21. Sentient says:

    GFY

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  22. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    In the choice between Putin & Soros … will take Vladimir every time.
    Thus is the situation there in Ukraine.

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  23. Bull Durham says:

    Porky came hoping to drag American military onto his battefields.

    Pence referred him to Minsk 2. The other way of mentioning Minsk 2 obligations for Kiev is to use the term Normandy Format, the 4-nations talks of Russia, France, Germany and Ukraine. They speak on the phone sometimes, mostly they only meet when the Ukies really kill a lot of civilians or if the Ukie military gets its head handed to it really badly. In most of the get togethers, Putin won’t even talk to Porky.

    Minsk 2 is the chokebone in the throat of Kiev.

    Pence assured Porky that the US supports the Normandy Format and Minsk 2. And the bone in his throat is his business.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201706201054819376-pence-poroshenko-ukraine/

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    • G. Combs says:

      Bull,
      perhaps you know the answer to my question of was there such a treaty?

      Several years ago when the Ukraine first blew up, I checked out what Luboš Motl, a Czech theoretical physicist had to say about the situation since I don’t trust the US propagandists… errr MSM.

      IIRC he said there were treaties that the Ukraine would remain in Russia’s sphere of influence — the reasons being awWarm water port, military bases, breadbasket of Europe, raw materials, ethnic Russians.

      The EU broke those treaties when it tried to entice the Ukraine into the European Union. The previous ELECTED president said HE!! NO so Soros & the EU & the USA had him overthrown and a Soros puppet Porohenko was installed.
      …………..

      Some other info on the UKRAIN.
      Just before hostilities breakout Songbird McCain is spotted in the Ukraine. — Guardian UK: John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: ‘We are here to support your just cause’

      The ethnically Russian people of the Ukraine asked for help. — BBC: Ukraine crisis: Crimea leader appeals to Putin for help

      . “The most notable of these campaign shifts came in March 2016 when Paul Manafort was hired as the campaign’s convention manager.” — Ballotpedia on Trump campaign. Hillary/Obama goes nuts and place sanctions on Russia using E.O.s ALSO in March of 2016. Ukraine and Russia Sanctions – US Department of State

      Trump wins and McCain goes nuts, comes up with the Trump ‘Russian Pee Pee dossier’ and dumps all over Rand Paul. The Yellow Stream Media goes nuts screaming The Russians Are Coming.

      Color me unimpressed.
      >>>>>>>>>>>

      ** George Soros told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he was responsible for establishing a foundation in Ukraine that ultimately contributed to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader and the installation of a junta handpicked by the US State Department. A WikiLeaks e-mail shows Soros recommended the replacement guy to Hillary Clinton.

      Zakaria “First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?”

      Soros
      “Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,”

      William F. Jasper wrote
      “Many of the participants in Kiev’s ‘EuroMaidan’ demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given ‘more than any other donor organization’ to ‘democratic transformation’ of Ukraine,”

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      • Bull Durham says:

        Here’s a link. Go to Independent Ukraine section.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Ukraine_relations

        The notion that Ukraine and the East European Warsaw Pact nations would stay in the Russian sphere of influence was a verbal deal between Gorby and James Baker. Gorby failed to get it in writing and the West violated the deal when Russia was weak and couldn’t cope with protecting its sphere of influence nor even save its brother Slavs in Serbia.

        Now, Russia can do a lot about a lot things, with Putin’s mind and will power.

        Still, there are limits, and accommodations are usually made. Right now, the US neocons are on a roll. But the hard metal of Russian military awaits any fools who try to to attack.
        Ukraine, I think, will give it one more try in Donbass. US advisers are with them now.

        The next three weeks are very dangerous in Ukraine and Syria. Then, Putin and Trump meet in Hamburg in July. The US lunatics will want to have the upper hand on Putin in that meeting.

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        • G. Combs says:

          Thanks for the info Bull.

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        • Niagara Frontier says:

          RE: …sphere of influence….

          It seemed to me at the time that the West was doing everything in its power to drive a stake through the heart of any so-called non-aligned movement, and increase the likelihood for instability and conflict.

          Since you mentioned Serbia, I’m reminded of this sequence of events:

          March 12, 1999: Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic join NATO.
          March 24, 1999: NATO launches air strikes in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, marking the first time NATO attacked a sovereign country.

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    • Deplorable Ukie says:

      “We do not consider it necessary to change the Normandy format and have some sort of parallel track to the Minsk process,” Petro Poroshenko said.
      The President emphasized: “Really, we discussed greater involvement of our American partners in the Normandy format. We are fully open and we praise these steps”.

      http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/mi-obgovoryuvali-bilsh-aktivne-zaluchennya-amerikanskih-part-41990

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        Porkoshenko is just a corrupt mafioso who kills people to get richer. As soon as he lost the war in the East, he IMMEDIATELY transferred all of his money into his Panama accounts. Google it. Is this the guy who will save Ukraine? I mean seriously. Porky is just the Ukrainian equivalent of Hillary Clinton, and it takes a special kind of ignorant to trust people like Clinton.

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  24. Pam says:

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  25. NotARegular says:

    Well, this drew some organized comments. I have no opinion of Poroshenko, but the connection of Russia and the Ukraine brings up one word from history:
    Holodomor.

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    • SEJMON says:

      NotARegular-check Fort Russ site to be more educated about eastern Ukraine.

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    • Mike Cee says:

      Fort Russ is a heavily pro Russian pro communist separatist and biased site. Conduct your own research into the matter…you will arrive at a better conclusion without such an obviously biased source.

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      • DontBelieveThem says:

        And the Azov Battalion is a group of murderous Russophobic Neo-Nazis whose insignia is an ugly swastika. This battalion is part of Ukraine’s army. IN 2017 THERE ARE NEO-NAZIS OFFICIALLY SERVING IN UKRAINE’S ARMED FORCES. And I’m not even joking.

        Crimea was right to return to Russia.

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  26. LibertyVibe says:

    We are missing something huge here. Politco ran this story back on Jan.11th. It is super long, but totally worth it. Lots of corruption between Ukraine and the Clinton campaign. The first two paragraphs of the article are dumb.Then it gets good. It starts getting good here: http://i.imgur.com/NJEHIaK.jpg Here is the article: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

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    • G. Combs says:

      Here is another interesting article by an X-brit New Zealander.

      The Ukraine and the Pee Pee Dossier
      ” […] Clearly it is of interest to trace the authorship and provenance of this dodgy dossier. It is not easy to do, as there is so much secrecy and ‘fake news’ involved. Having read multiple stories around the events, some sort of probability seems to emerge: this is my best bet. The CIA was engaged early on in the piece (where would the neo-cons go, without CIA assistance, to be able to plausibly claim they had found an ex-MI6 operative still hard at work in Kremlin circles?) Both the CIA and its neocon supporters in the Republican Party were desperate to keep Trump out of office and the CIA was eager to get Hillary into office. The dodgy dossier would have been a fall-back position should all the other schemes detailed in Part I of this blog, fail.

      Judging by the amateurism of its execution, it must have been arm’s-lengthed and entrusted to a B or C team with credible deniability, should the mission backfire. It looks as though the CIA’s recently-established, Ukrainian franchise was tasked with the mission. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46195.htm

      http://nypost.com/2017/01/11/john-mccain-i-gave-russia-blackmail-dossier-on-trump-to-fbi/ The fact that it was John McCain, the sworn enemy of both Trump and Russia, who was entrusted with delivery of the dossier to the FBI (and that the FBI evidently had already been given a preview before its formal delivery) reinforces this suggestion. McCain is an ardent supporter of and frequent visitor to the Ukraine. http://www.politico.eu/article/us-senators-praise-ukrainian-marines-slam-vladimir-putin-russia-john-mccain-lindsey-graham/ Had Obama not fallen out with Netanyahu, no doubt a former Mossad agent would have been the quoted author. As it is, MI6 have had to carry the risk of ridicule (no doubt, to their annoyance.) […]”
      http://www.khakispecs.com/?p=2983

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  27. Mike Cee says:

    Oh yes, absolutely and they operate from 55 Savushkina Street.in Saint Petersburg Russia.

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  28. dayallaxeded says:

    OK. And how much did that worthless, never really in contest gannystan airspace cost us? We’re effectively facilitating the poppy/opium production there, but maintaining a semblance of order and creating more extensive logistics connections. And yes, destroying that crop is a matter of politics and will, which the USA’s citizenry has demonstrated it does not have, no matter how strongly many of us may feel about it.

    You really prove my larger point by emphasizing these two discrete points and conspicuously omitting the fact that we don’t really control the idiotic sharia-based goobermint, the cities, or the countryside or the opium trade. We’ve spent way too much money and more importantly spilled too much blood there already. If we don’t have the political and military will to treat that and any other pisslamic shithole like we did post WWII Japan, then we’ve got no business going there at all. We could overfly them at will on September 12, 2001. Few tactical nukes or even MOABs could’ve achieved everything we or any other force has ever achieved there. All pain, no gain, all politicians and USA progzis’ fault. Iraq, same damn thing. Didn’t/doesn’t have to be that way, but that’s factually and historically how it was and still is.

    All honor, even more so, to the soldiers who’ve fought and especially those who made grave or ultimate sacrifices–they were doing their duty, taking care of their brothers in arms and attempting in good faith to keep us safe. They’ve had to fight on two fronts–against pisslamists and narcos in country and against traitorous pols not leading, but sabotaging from the rear. The politicians’ dishonor and cowardice can never besmirch even the souls of their boots, but it is a damn good reason not to spill another honorable patriots’ blood anywhere else unless it’s truly necessary to defend the USA and with full support of the USA citizenry.

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  29. DontBelieveThem says:

    I have a question for the people who want the US to team up with Ukraine; is Ukraine really a worthy ally? Is it really worth worsening the already volatile relations with Russia over Ukraine?

    What does Ukraine have to offer anyway? NOTHING! The USSR fell apart precisely because it teamed up with do-nothing countries like Ukraine that didn’t contribute anything to the USSR. Russia pumped money into every former Soviet country for 80 years and in the end the whole project collapsed because countries like Ukraine didn’t produce anything of value!

    Does Murica really think a corrupt country like Ukraine will pay its bills? Does Murica really think a dirt poor failed country like Ukraine will be a reliable business and political partner? Just look at the EU! It’s collapsing. Do you know why it’s collapsing? Because it teamed up with former communist countries that are simply worthless and take everything without giving anything back. That’s why it’s collapsing. The EU was doing just fine before it started accepting poor members in the late 90’s and the 2000’s. Look at the EU now; it’s a group of bankrupt, corrupt countries. Does the US really want to end up like the USSR?

    Will Ukraine be of any help in fighting terrorism? No!
    Will Ukraine bring stability to NATO and the EU? No!
    Will Ukraine be of any use to anyone? No!
    Will Ukraine contribute anything of value to NATO and the EU, other than cheap labor that will cause more Americans and Europeans to lose their jobs? No!

    So why bother with Ukraine at all? Does Murica really need to team up with losers? Ukraine and the former communist countries are Europe’s Mexico; they are a source of cheap labor that benefits only the corporations but not the normal people. No one will become stronger and prosperous by teaming up with losers like Ukraine. Ukraine will only be another hole in the budget and a source of tension with Russia. Does Murica really want that?

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