Sunday Talks “Healthcare” – Rep. Jim Jordan vs Rep. Steve Scalise…

Representative Jim Jordan lays out a forceful case to destroy the RyanCare healthcare proposal.  Jordan makes a lot of good points; however, the unnerving aspect is Jordan’s response to the long-term ramifications of blowing up the Senate process:  “I don’t care” if we lose elections and end up with single-payer healthcare.

Jim Jordan is scheduled to meet again with President Trump this coming Tuesday.

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Earlier on Fox Business News, House Majority Whip, Representative Steve Scalise, defended the current three-step proposal and extended the conversation into the budget ramifications and the Trump tax reform proposal.

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…”Complicated business folks,… Complicated business.”…

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322 Responses to Sunday Talks “Healthcare” – Rep. Jim Jordan vs Rep. Steve Scalise…

  1. Stringy theory says:

    Now we know Jordan isn’t a real conservative who loves this country and wants to make it great again. Socialized medicine is fine with him.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      Really? I got the exact opposite opinion from what he said.

      Liked by 8 people

      • lawrencepaul1 says:

        Me too. Wallace was trying to imply it but Jordan wouldn’t bite.
        His argument seems valid to me. Pass the bill that they all voted on before the election.

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        • sundance says:

          I think ST is referencing Jordan’s “I don’t care” approach to what happens when Democrats take control and use 51 votes (or less per the GOP plan) to make free education, free healthcare, and free socialism the new American norm.

          It’s a little disconcerting to see a House Member say “I don’t care” to that future.

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          • lawrencepaul1 says:

            It is indeed if you read it like that. I didn’t read it like that at all.
            I am not particularly a fan of Jordan but I thought that he stated his case quite convincingly considering Wallace was trying to imply that if he didn’t agree with Ryan then it would be Armageddon for republicans.
            I am a wait and see person so I will not judge either plan until they are finalized.

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          • Sentient says:

            The Dems will end the filibuster anyway.

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          • yy4u says:

            It is always a “Solomon’s Choice” analogy. The Democrats have gotten everything they want because they are willing to “cut the baby (America) in half” if they don’t win. The Republicans (the real mother) always cave because they and their voters are willing to give up the baby (America) in order for it to “live”.

            What Jordan did is call the Democrats’ bluff.

            So will Solomon cut the baby in half? Who knows? But so long as Democrats know they can use that threat to get everything they want, nothing will change.

            My gut tells me the first inkling of the Republican electorate being willing to “cut the baby in half” was in the 2012 election when many stayed home rather than vote for Democrat Lite Romney. This year, we actually had a candidate and we turned out. But I’m betting had Jeb! or Marco or any other Republican gotten the nomination, a number of us would have stayed home.

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            • I don’t know. Anymore, the Rublicans, which I was an active participant, come off more to me as passive aggressive children.

              They cannot agree on anything, but do they try to negotiate and find common ground for the sake of the party?

              No, instead they whine, they pout, they become sullen, they lash out.

              They are like Kindergarten kids, all of them wanting their own way, but none of them making much sense……..

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              • Perhaps all the public brouhaha IS negotiating? Many of us who have engaged in politics, like you jerrydon10, have been in tense situations where everyone has frozen into his own position. In my lucky case, my side was in the majority and all we had to do to “win” was nothing to see a bad situation go away.

                Of course that “win” was preceeded by some pretty tough meetings and parliamentary maneuvers, but we got what we wanted – more freedom for property owners. So… we won. Glorious feeling.

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              • An American says:

                Jerry, they, the republicans, don’t want anyone messing in their respective sandbox!

                Liked by 1 person

              • Passive Aggressive tactics look like the Playbook for both wings of the Uniparty.

                What am I missing?

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  You’re not missing anything. You hit the nail on the head. They both are using the tired worn out playbook.

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              • Agree, there is a Failure in leadership. Trump has been waiting on Congressional Rs for almost 2 months. What makes it worse is Congressional Rs had 2 additional months to prep legislation, before Trump was even in office.

                Shame on them.

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            • jmclever says:

              Where your analogy fails tho is that Solomon only proposed to cut the baby so that he could know for sure who the real mother was. The real mother was awarded the baby, and God will not allow wickedness to prevail indefinitely.

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          • lfhbrave says:

            I would say the filibuster rule is entirely dependent on observing in good faith by both parties in governing. Judging from what Dems have done and continue to do after the election, how could GOP/Trump voters count on such assumption of good faith in governing? IIRC, the U.S. refused to adopt the policy of “no first use (NFU)” during the Cold War precisely because the other side never intended to observe any rules in good faith.

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          • setup2100 says:

            Everyone getting up set over nothing. When was the last time the FREEDOM CAUCAS ever stood up for anything important. They elected RYAN when they could have stopped him from becoming SPEAKER. If this is important they will get a bone or at least a pretend bone thrown their way and CAVE as usual. All Showtime, That’s all folks, from the Freedom Caucas.

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            • Stringy theory says:

              Exactly, the freedom caucus voted for Ryan. In my book, ther are just another do-nothing bunch looking out for their oen puppet masters.

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              • gymcy81 says:

                There is a lineage of entrenched Rinos,
                at the time, having taken the steps to encourage a change in House leadership and subleaders, (Canter lost re-election 2014, Boehner quit in 2015)…
                the freedom caucus had insufficient votes – at the time – to forward a conservative challenge to the current mis’leadership’, not enough votes – again, at the time – to dissuade votes regarding an untested Ryan.

                [but, more data via tests – and proof – is becoming accumulated )

                It does seem real silly that House leadership had the (weak) courage to forward a true ‘repeal’ in 2015 to President Obama (knowing he would sign it).

                And now (with meakness, and backing by some billionaire interested in medical rewards) , when they know someone could sign a ‘repeal’, they water down the bill from a year ago…place some lipstick on it… give it a new cover and name… roll up the sleeves… and obfuscate the opportunity to fully repeal. (knowing the Senate does not concur…and thereby also providing political cover for the weak knee liberal Republicans in the Senate.)

                There is hope that the ‘truth’ will rise to the top….and that appropriate, and healthy adjustments will be made….

                …and yes, do not get tricked by the CBO review…it will be inaccurate, again…
                (because healthcare has a myriad of tentacles )

                Love thy neighbors

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                • gymcy81 says:

                  House sent Repeal bill in 2015 to Senate and Obama, (knowing Obama would NOT sign it).

                  That was the part that was “FOR SHOW.”
                  (given that the same bill has not been forwarded to Trump, yet)
                  hmmm….

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            • p'odwats says:

              So right. The Freedom Caucus is getting all this love by all the “pure” conservatives for standing up to Ryan’s proposal for healthcare. Where were these guys for the last eight years? They were no better than the RINOS in rolling over for Obama. They get upset when you remind them of that fact.

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            • entagor says:

              Membership in the Freedom Caucus is by invitation only.

              Google returns me articles from sites like NewYorker, USAtoday, Huffpo about the rebels in the Freedom Caucus. That might just be Google trying to avoid citing Breitbart and Infowars — but it sure seems the Left wants us to think of the Freedom Caucus as virtual Tea party

              But the same Caucus folded like a clean sheet on replacing Boehner with Ryan

              Ryan who started out in college campaigning for Boehner, was supposedly asked by Boehner to run for Speaker
              http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/09/flashback-paul-ryan-worked-john-boehner-college/

              In a Pew Research article on the Freedom caucus, there is this comment:
              debra Davis • 1 year ago
              freedom caucus totally ineffective. how did they get on every comittee in congress? hmmmm maybe a little back scratching

              http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/20/house-freedom-caucus-what-is-it-and-whos-in-it/

              Pew has an agenda, but, I don’t trust the F Caucus to speak for me

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            • Mariposa 323 says:

              Bingo ! Grandstanding politicians , they Reslly only care about their own skins ! Trump sees the potential in this plan to slowly unravel this mess without creating more chaos , that’s good enough for me !

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            • Patriot Lady says:

              Setup2100,
              ‘THEY elected Ryan’… Exactly! Jordan= Ryan — no difference– both liars. All the GOPe but one, Thomas Massie, voted to keep Ryan speaker. That says it all. The GOPe went from 24 votes against Boehner in 2015 to 1 vote against Ryan in 2017. That branded them the liars they are–nothing but a Congressional toxic waste dump.

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          • wolfmoon1776 says:

            “I don’t care if our children all speak German and Japanese! Send what’s left of the fleet to Japan NOW!”

            Chris Wallace fields the “useful idiot test” for the Dems, and Jim Jordan passes! Somewhere right now, Democrats are toasting!

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          • pageoturner says:

            Who thinks for one minute the Democrats WOULD HESITATE to do that if they ever again have 51 votes?

            I’m tired of playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules when the other side uses brass knuckles and crotch shots.

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            • Rex says:

              Me too.
              Don’t forgot some of our “fighters” in the House and especially the Senate are probably paid to take a dive at just the right time.

              Liked by 2 people

              • georgiafl says:

                Such as Cruz and Rubio.

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                • Aren’t the Mercers – former Cruz supporters – now working with President Trump?

                  Might Cruz be working with Trump and Pence for Pence to step in under the Budget Act of 1974 to redefine the rules for Reconciliation in order to combine both Repeal and Replace in one Bill?

                  Didn’t President Trump just say that their solution would be something America would be very happy with?

                  Why would he lead with his chin if he didn’t have multiple ways to win this – including the above?

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          • Dennis Leonard says:

            Sundance,please if you have time go read this and let us know if this is good or bad,I do not want to print the whole thing here,Thanks

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/03/ted_cruz_may_have_discovered_a_way_to_totally_change_obamacare_without_60_senate_votes.html

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          • Dennis Leonard says:

            Well your being quoted on American Thinker,

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/03/trumphating_medias_stupidest_trick_yet.html

            That implication simply is not true. As eagle-eyed Sundance, who spotted the trick (and copied the tweet’s image) on Conservative Treehouse, noted, this was a shrewd use of an offsite retreat, a standard business tool (I have participated in more of them than I can count in my management consulting career):

            This type of exit from DC is really smart for multiple reasons. It might be a little challenging for the convoy to drive 35 minutes, but it allows the cabinet team to synergize in a more relaxed environment with introductions and fellowship amid the spouses.

            Additionally, it provides a fully private venue, with full pre-arrival security controlled by Team Trump (ie. no ears); and an escape from the toxic fumes which perpetually emanate from the DC Swamp.

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          • Howie says:

            IF the democrats EVER take control again you can pack it in and head for the hills IMO. Like ISIS they have to be wiped out. Kine of get his point. This is do or die.

            Liked by 4 people

            • Fe says:

              I agree 100% take them out at the knees. They will go for the jugular if they ever get back in power, Fed up with GOPe too, they’re worse by allowing this infighting bull roar to happen.

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        • Patriot1783 says:

          And who the people voted for via the promises given.

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        • law4lifeblog says:

          Lawrencepundit, you don’t get it……there are NOT the votes TODAY for a clean repeal on Obamacare, regardless of what sham show they put on last year….anyway, that was a DE-FUNDING, not a repeal. Sundance has explained why the phased approach us the only way thus can work AND give republicans a chance of increasing their majorities in 2018.

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          • lawrencepaul1 says:

            I do. And I know where you are coming from but Ryan’s plan is going to hit the same brick wall.
            Phase three needs 60 votes also.
            So we are still being sold a lie.
            I think Jordan’s argument is that they should get rid of the 60 vote requirement thus ending the filibuster and pass the repeal act that they have already signed.
            I don’t trust either Jordan or Ryan/Price/Pence. My point was that I didn’t interpret what he said to mean what others seem to.

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    • Howie says:

      We will end up with a two tiered system. Private and Socialized. First get rid of the big four crooked croney insurance companies and let the rest compete.

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      • starfcker says:

        What I think Jordan misses, is the fact that once you repeal obamacare, you have to start fixing things. That may give him tremendous leverage moving forward, but it also gives every other small group of cranks that same leverage. Not a recipe for getting anything done.

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      • notasmidgeon says:

        Meaning the “Elites” will have the private? How do they decide who will have the socialized medicine?

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        • Howie says:

          By income of course.

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        • Mariposa 323 says:

          Excellent question . For all those who are not involved in healthcare we know there are no easy solutions . We would have a mess , because the private solution will never be private again . There are already too many government interventions throughout the entire system . You will find very few ordinary , hard working people able to afford that , which means an ever expanding socialized crappy system . Is that what you really want ?

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        • mike says:

          Who will have the socialized medicine? Almost everyone.

          The next problem begins with already existing budget problems, they begin to push you off the pier. First the helpless and most burdensome from ridiculous promises, then soon enough simply over an age, an expensive diagnosis etc, they quit or start actively doing or denying. Only the rich and the most independent people will have a chance to escape, but often won’t.

          If you ever deal with nursing homes, you’ll see ugly things already going on, low key. It can get much worse.

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    • Blade says:

      Now we know Jordan isn’t a real conservative who loves this country and wants to make it great again. Socialized medicine is fine with him.

      You are absolutely correct. And its even worse, he is fine with losing the Second Amendment just like all Levintards are. They would forfeit the damn Constitution if they don’t get their way. How? With a 3-seat majority in the Senate and the prospect of actually gaining 8-12 more in 2018, they are admitting they are willing to lose elections just to die on this stupid hill. Why? They have nothing to lose by this because they want Trump to fail.

      President Trump has an opportunity to do something never before done: appoint up to 5 Constitutionalists on the Supreme Court [ *** see below ]. Since the modern era, no (R)epublican including Eisenhower has added more than one single Conservative to the court. The Court has never even had more than four serving at one time, and really only three in most cases. Today we have just two sitting on the bench. Trump is all but certain to get at least two picks, which by itself is unprecedented for (R)epublicans, should he get four it would be absolutely the greatest impact a President has made in favor of the Constitution in modern history.

      *** This by the way, an absence of Constitutionalists, is the main reason the republic is on its last leg. Had there been a majority of Constitutionalists in previous times, many things such as the New Deal, Great Society, Roe, and many more including Obamacare would have been stamped out immediately. In fact, Constitutionalists would be able to completely neutralize Socialism as unconstitutional as it is not an enumerated power for the FedGov to redistribute the taxpayers’ money, and there is no Amendment authorizing such.

      Tax Cuts, Obamacare or even Foreign Policy are NOT the main issues, period. Everything else is secondary to getting the Court back on track. This is where the Levintards expose their true stupidity. Nothing should risk the ability of getting those next few Justices confirmed. This affects not just us, but our kids and grandkids and beyond. If they scramble our chances of holding the Senate, or worse, they cause the loss of it and create Majority Leader Schmuck Schumer, the damage will be incalculable beyond belief.

      We have been staring down the barrel of a gun ( pardon the pun ) since Scalia died because the potential of the Second Amendment being ruled *not* an individual “right” is just around the corner. Then what? The States can then begin outlawing nearly all firearms. Then the citizens face the choice of turning them in to be destroyed or shooting the gun grabbers. This is a precarious situation and every Levintard must be ridiculed for gambling with such high stakes. They are admitting they would leave our kids and grandkids facing a FedGov and States unrestrained by the Second Amendment. And why not? They did it last year with #NeverTrump by supporting Hillary. They have not changed.

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      • GrouchonotKarl says:

        This is DJT’s strategy. Cajole until Gorsuch and tax reform are secured, then kill this piece of crap legislation.

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      • Here is the conundrum: conservatives stand on their principles and Republicans lose control of House, Senate and WH. Conservatives DO NOT stand on their principles and even more freedom is lost as principles get trashed. Is that a bad choice, or what?

        Does anyone have an answer? Mine is: hope that Pres. Trump finesses a way out of this impasse without giving up any more freedoms and still abolishing Ocare. Think he can do it? I do!!!

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        • Mike says:

          “Here is the conundrum: conservatives stand on their principles and Republicans lose control of House, Senate and WH. Conservatives DO NOT stand on their principles and even more freedom is lost as principles get trashed. Is that a bad choice, or what?”

          This suicidal ‘muh principles’ way of thinking is what needs to be trashed. In order for principles to be made into reality you need STRATEGY. The left didn’t take over everything overnight, they did it incrementally for decades. Now the momentum is really on the republican side for first time in a long time and we have the smartest guy as president in decades & frankly I think possibly centuries. We need to keep the ball in our court and keep winning these elections. No need to go for a 3 point shot and risk it all at this moment.

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      • Dennis Leonard says:

        Bravo,you understand.Now let us hope everyone starts thinking,Post it all over Facebook and twitter.Fly a banner behind a airplane in the sky,billboards,etc.

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      • TAS says:

        Just some thoughts to ponder…

        The GOPe can scam an Obamacare replacement and delay other legislation on President Trumps policies, causing a backlash against Republicans for 2018 midterms. Losing the House, Senate or both on purpose would then leave only EO’s which could easily be undone by a uniparty Prez. Some things said lately by members of congress and others makes this a plausible tactic of the uniparty with the hope of a Trump defeat in 2020. Believe me, they are already gearing up for the battle.

        Our President is a very wise and smart man and I trust his actions, its those around him I don’t trust. Of course he knows all this and has been 3 steps ahead all the way, but the Uniparty/DeepState/Globalist…any name you want to use will not give up and fade away. Mistakes will be made, but President Trump has shown he can recover quickly with his legendary counter punch.
        We as freedom loving patriots need to be aware of all the uniparty scams and support our President and make sure what we have gained will never again be lost!

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      • Stringy theory says:

        Blade, that’s one of the best comments I have seen here in a long while. You explain perfectly what Jordan and the rest of the self-identified “true conservatives” would give up if they don’t get their way. Put simply, they are prepared to burn what’s left of our constitution when they hand things back to the demorats. Trump is trying to get a job done, but Jordan and his pals are going to stand in his way.

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        • Blade says:

          The Conservative Intelligentsia are hell bent on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And by God nothing will stand in their way.

          Their only play is to insist on purist repeal using the nuclear option of 50+1 majority votes ( and they are well short of that too ) . They will not even ponder what that means going forward when the (D)ummies next have the Senate majority. So they are literally begging for Healthcare ping pong, meaning a new massive rewrite of Obamacare every 2,4,6 years depending on who ekes out electoral control of the upper House. Yeah, that’s a swell plan.

          If they were actual Constitutionalists they would realize this thing should have been blocked at the Supreme Court before it ever took root ( along with countless earlier Socialist ideas ) and if there is any chance of that happening in the future then Trump will need to substantially alter the makeup of the Court. And he sure can because no President was ever this well positioned to make such changes. But the doctrinaire Levintards by accident or design are now working to block this absolutely critical step.

          Since Trump ran on “replace” and not on “repeal only” or “let it die” they have no business insisting on anything. He is keeping his campaign promises not entertaining wishful thinking. The rest of us have it figured out. We got our guy in the White House at last and he exceptionally skilled at personnel management and deal-making. And he is a fast learner. Ryan cannot fool him. Neither can Mitch. Or Pelosi. Or Schumer. We have to trust that he will do the best he possibly can given the circumstances. And he will.

          For the handwringers who believe that is not good enough consider this. We’ll get the best we can today, but we’ll still be able later to change things in the future when the Senate has more votes, and especially after the Court has been re-configured back to a Constitutionalist center of gravity. Be patient. It is not a pressing matter to “repeal” Obamacare today, but it *is* a pressing matter to not let it blow up in our faces!

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    • Sharon says:

      Huh?

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  2. markstoval says:

    It became “complicated business” when government got involved in health insurance in the first place. The government protected and enabled “big pharma”, hospitals, doctors, “big agra”, insurance, and all the rest do not have the health of the American as their main interest. In fact, there is no “health care” in the USA at all — we have sick care. Doctors seek to manage symptoms of illness rather than cure the illness. There is no profit in curing people.

    I started asking those folks I work with and folks in my own family a simple question —- “how many different meds do you take each day?” I was floored by the responses. I guess the average answer was 5 or more for all those over 50 years old that I asked. Dang.

    I believe that Americans main problem is poor diet and lack of vitamins due to poor nutrition, but the AMA seems little interested in any preventive care.

    Free American health care from the government backed AMA if you want to see healthy people.

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    • R-C says:

      “…The government protected and enabled “big pharma”, hospitals, doctors, “big agra”, insurance…”
      – – – – – –

      That’s because ‘Big Pharma’, etc, protected and enabled congress-critters, who are in their pockets. The whole arrangement stinks of corruption. Congress-critters will fight tooth-and-nail for their sugar-daddies–not so much for the American people.

      It’s a shame the US Constitution (which they have sworn that they will ‘support and defend’) isn’t able to slip any cash or perks into the pockets of congress-critters… In the end, “Money Talks, and B.S. Walks.”

      And the Constitution doesn’t have any money to offer.

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    • rashamon says:

      I know what you mean. One of my neighbors is 50 years old and takes 9 different pills, a few twice a day. It’s the quickest way to get a patient out of the doctors’ offices, and Big Pharma, I am told by two relatives who work in the industry, has the biggest lobbying concerns in D.C., and people make big bucks working their territory. This is nuts! His side effects are worse than the ailments.

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      • R-C says:

        And don’t forget: docs get big kick-backs from ‘big pharma’, in the form of junkets and other perks. “Push our pills, and we’ll make it worth your while…”

        More stink of corruption.

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        • That’s illegal, and has been for years. I was married to a surgeon and worked in the medical field and our group of Doc’s never did that junket crap. Most get their schooling credits from online courses and have for years.

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          • georgiafl says:

            Those trips and dinners at the club and nice restaurants were wonderful…back in the 60s and 70s. Only way we could afford to go to Sea Island and the Cloister.

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        • Mariposa 323 says:

          So true … however , is it possible that if they get insurance companies to compete across state lines , the more players the better and part of the competitive edge for these companies will be negotiating better prices themselves with Big Pharma ! We can dream !

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        • law4lifeblog says:

          R-c, you are absolutely wrong, my family worked with enough medical practices to know that kind of thing has been over for quite some time. I see no reason to throw around sound bytes and stereotypical pejoratives in lieu of discussing the facts.

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      • lawrencepaul1 says:

        I am 64 years old and take absolutely nothing and I see a doctor once a year for a check up.
        I am a vegetarian I have never smoked and never drink alcohol and I exercise most days.
        Most of my friends and neighbors pop so many pill that it makes me feel queasy just listening to them talk about it. And many of them are ten years younger than me.
        Big pharma with their scaremongering TV adds and “incentives” to the medical profession are poisoning Americans.

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        • Fe says:

          I am now 57. I never smoked, but I enjoy a glass of wine 3-4 times a year with my daughter.. I was very healthy up until the summer of 2014. I was vegan (for 4 yrs I was, but I’m no longer vegan, eat minimal meat, prefer veggie recipes, NO cheese) walked 4-8 miles every day from spring to early winter, then worked out at a gym daily. The only pill I took was for my thyroid (life long issue from age 11-current), and a B12 supplement.

          I started having issues with my feet tingling and cramping that would not stop. Long story short, it got a little better with Lyrica but I also developed nerve pain up and down my right leg and it started going up into my face, all on the left side. No problems with my right side. I’ve been to several docs and nothing they tried works. They have no idea what is wrong. MS has been ruled out, I’m not diabetic either, nor is it fibromyalgia.

          What I do know is this, I’m sick and tired of all the time and money it has cost me, and I’m fed up with the outrageous fees being charged. My pain doc just ran a drug test on me without explaining why. I get a bill that I owe $75 and the amount charged to BCBS was 700 or 800 dollars, for a simple drug test?! I called the doc office and fount out it was done to make sure the doc was prescribing the right amount of a new med he wanted to try. Geeze. Next time I’ll ask more questions, but why didn’t he tell me before he whirled out of the room? I just assumed he was checking for a clue to my ongoing issues. 🤔

          I see him Wednesday March 15 follow-up on the new med which is not working. I better not be told I need another drug test to try something else. Right now I’m taking two different meds for nerve pain, and Norco as needed which I only will use once per day and after I get home from work if I am hurting all over, and Soma once per day which I’ll take with the Norco. It sucks, I HATE taking these damn pills all the time. I want answers and the doctors to stop pushing more drugs on me promising it will work….oh and I’ve had one steroid shot into my hip, three nerve blocks in my back, none helped. Pttttthhhhhh, that’s what I say to 2 internal med docs, 2 neurologists, 2 pain docs, 4 sets of MRIs (back, right hip, head, neck) and a partridge in a pear tree.

          I know it could be worse, and I do have decent health insurance, low copays and low deductible. So for that I am thankful. 🙏🏻 But I still want answers, and I’m ready to go to Mayo. This is nuts and it’s taken a toll on my overall health, unable to get the exercise I need because many days I’m hurting all,over and just want to lay down.

          Jim Jordan in this article is being silly saying he doesn’t care if republicans lose elections, he wants to blow it all up. What an idiot! He needs to play long game get on board with PDJT. Sundance has convinced me the three step approach to dismantling this monster is the right way. It sucks, but what other real choice do we have. We don’t want to hurt the Americans who are using this plan. But those illegals who are getting free healthcare absolutely need to be kicked the H off. 😡👎

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          • Terry Gilmour says:

            Fe, not that I’m a doctor or anything, but why don’t you try a chiropractor. I never much believed in them, but we have a former SEAL who went into chiropractic medicine because he couldn’t find anything — including all the medications — to give him relief from the pain. My daughter has been seeing him for about 6-8 months because she woke up one morning and couldn’t hardly move. It has been very helpful for her, and I know several others who have been helped.

            Worth a try, since you’ve tried everything else.

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            • Fe says:

              I forgot to mention, I tried a recommended chiro 2 miles from my home for 4 months, no help at all, and racked up more $$$ that we finally paid off. This doc helped my husband with a neck issue where he could not move his head. That’s why I went to this doc. He is good, but he wasn’t able to help me.

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          • BillRiser says:

            Fe, it sounds like MS. My son has MS and the only way to know is to do an MRI. Have you had am MRI?

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            • Fe says:

              Yes, I had this done last summer, an MRI on my brain and a trip to a second neurologist at the Univ of Madison (very liberal area, lol) for an opinion on the results. The doc said right away that I did not have MS, so it’s some type of neuropathy that one doc at a spine center whom I forgot about said I had Idiopathic Neuropathy because they’re idiots spwhen they don’t know what the issue is, her exact words. I also had two EMGs, nerve conduction tests. It was the second one that showed clearly it wasn’t all in my head. Thanks doc. Lol.

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              • BillRiser says:

                That’s good that you don’t have MS but it is depressing when you feel ill and they can’t find the problem.
                Our Pastor went for four years with an undiagnosed disease and then they told him he had MS. I assume they did a MRI on your neck and spine?

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          • Sandra-VA says:

            Could that tingling be a symptom of taking too much B-12? It starts in the toes… you should ask the Dr about it.

            I hope you find the cause of the pain and get some relief from it!

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            • Fe says:

              I haven’t taken B-12 since 2014, and I made sure I told every doctor that I had taken it. But you raise an interesting point. Thats how it all started, tingling in my feet and then everything switched to the left side only, got worse, also made 2 ER trips because it was so out of control. Lyrica helped my feet but nothing for the increasing pain upwards.

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          • mimbler says:

            Fe,
            I would strongly encourage going to Mayo. I have a number of friends that had problems not being solved locally, and -every- one of them were properly diagnosed at Mayo. They line you up with all the specialists, one after the other, so in a day or so, you have logical, exhaustive testing by some of the best,
            Mike

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          • Sorry to hear that FE! My hubby used to have tingling and cramping in his right thigh spreading down to his leg almost everyday. He was using Splenda everytime he drank coffee or tea ! I did some research in Splenda and found out it’s causes a lot of these nerve problems. I made him stop two years ago and he stopped having these pain! I don’t know if you are taking Splenda but if could be related to some artificial food! Hope you feel better!

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            • Fe says:

              You’re so right about that. Aspartame is poison and I rarely drank diet soda or coffee when this all started. Shameful to say, I recently had been drinking more diet soda which I stopped cold for the past 2 weeks…it certainly didn’t help my situation drinking that stuff. 😔

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          • deh3k says:

            Research CIDP – chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy.

            Considered a rare disease, my sister was recently diagnosed with this by her neurologist.

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        • mswords000 says:

          I agree with you! I’m a little older, but also vegetarian for my adult life, and I try to stay healthy (exercise, drinking enough water, attitude, spirituality). I do not want to take drugs and I do not want to be forced to have medical treatments. My goals are to stay healthy and do the things I enjoy. I see so many people who have the attitude that health is a matter of going to the doctor and doing what they prescribe. It is not. Health is a way of life and we can all get better at it.

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        • Good for you LP! I’m 61. Thank God I don’t take any pills either. I hate going to doctors and I’m in the health field! Lol! I work full time keep myself busy traveling which is my hobby!

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      • yy4u says:

        I know a lady who is terrified she’ll lose her ObamaCare. She can’t afford health insurance. What she can afford is a new car, car insurance and a trip to Europe. She also was able to pay out of pocket for a plastic surgery procedure.

        There are tales aplenty of patients coming into ED’s who have no insurance but have gold teeth, piercings and tattoos that cost thousands.

        My solution IS a two tier system, one socialized system in which all of us qualify for Medicaid which means we get in line and wait for treatment (as in Europe and Canada) unless it’s an emergency (as in Europe and Canada). When admitted to hospitals, we go on wards not in private rooms with private baths. Lawyers CANNOT make a profit out of the public system. Period. If a patient suffers malpractice, a panel decides the recompense and there’s no lawyer’s payday. I believe this also is how it works in the military. NO suits allowed.

        Those who CAN afford private care can opt out and buy into the SAME SYSTEM at the SAME COST as our employees — the workers and politicians in the Federal Government. I think most Americans would be able to afford health insurance if we were in ONE BIG GROUP with our employees in the Fed Gov. For malpractice, loser pays. If it’s real malpractice, the patient can collect. Also how it is in Europe. But the lawyers cannot make a fortune on the misfortune of a patient, i.e. will be restricted by law to a small percentage of the settlement. Let the person being harmed reap the benefit of the settlement, not the John Edwardses of the country.

        So nobody is denied care, care is not dependent on one’s job, lawyers had better have a case before they launch a suit and those who’d rather have a new car, a trip to Europe or a tummy tuck than pvt. insurance can make that choice.

        Why won’t it work? Because somehow we’ve bought into the myth that the Founders meant Equality of Outcome when they meant Equality of Opportunity.

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        • peace says:

          Canada has a much smaller population – about 34 million compared to 300 plus million in America. Socialism will never work effectively here.

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    • I’m saying this as a woman who broke a couple of glass ceilings… so don’t jump all over me for saying this. When women went to work and families had no one to concentrate on cooking meals from fresh ingredients and most went to processed food for convenience, we started killing ourselves, We’ve been eating Gluten and chemical combinations our bodies were not meant to process. It has even been proven that the food pyramid is a fallacy. GMOs, hormones, antibiotics (you name it) have all contributed.

      It takes time, knowledge, effort and money to eat “real” food that won’t kill us. It is easy to mask the symptoms with drugs (and makes pharma big bucks) instead of addressing the problem. Our food supply is screwed up by big corporations and government at every level of our food chain. I remember when you brought in a garden and could just sell your produce without fearing a regulatory agency – when “organic was cheaper .

      Our health as a nation will not improve until we address the food supply. I seriously doubt that will happen, but dream big 🙂 I guess.

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      • R-C says:

        The ‘food pyramid’. BAH.

        I recommend that everyone watch a DVD called ‘Fat Head’ for a really good primer on where that little gem came from… (Here’s a hint: the proponent agency for the ‘food pyramid’ is the USDA, not the Surgeon General or any other health-centric organization. The ‘food pyramid’ has NOTHING to do with good nutrition, and everything to do with selling grain. Look it up.)

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        • Ray Titus says:

          I don’t think it should come from the Surgeon General either. Doctors get very little training in nutrition. Even in our medical schools we do not train doctors to care for patients or to prevent problems and keep people healthy. Once in a while one slips through and somehow gets it and becomes a good doctor. But for the most part I wouldn’t want most doctors to have any input on my health.

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          • snaggletooths says:

            A traditional doctor and a registered dietician all happy to push the horrible USDA grain filled food chart at you. I like to see insurance companies pay for naturopathic doctors which they don’t.

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          • R-C says:

            I suspect you are correct. Doctors are trained to be pill-pushers.

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            • glypenblog says:

              Docs don’t look at the whole person they look at the broken arm or the GI bleed, because most of the docs don’t get paid by illegals they have to make money some where, so they push MRI’s, and pills. Talking to patients and learning about their lives and listening to them makes a big difference. Naturopathic is very important but docs don’t make money that way. If you have to pay a dr. bill or pay your electric bill, the money goes for the electric bill.

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          • no-nonsense-nancy says:

            That’s right. I wrote a term paper once on the fact that medical students do not get nutritian courses and got an A on it. It was not until the mid 80s or 90s that they started getting usually only only one course.

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          • georgiafl says:

            There is a holistic health movement coming into being now among medical doctors. It is called Integrative medicine and involves positive health practices. There is also something called Complementary medicine.

            https://nccih.nih.gov/health/integrative-health

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      • I agree, good nutrition and eating good quality food is number one for good health. Also, exercise exercise exercise. Add, having a positive attitude, and good health is the result.

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      • JEM says:

        You are right. My sister who lives in Germany has had a garden since she was in her twenties. She grows everything she can and buys seeds from the Czech Republic, where you can still find the “real” seeds. Not modified. She buys smoked meets there, too. People there can keep farm animals in villages if they wish. They can also smoke their own meets in their backyard and make their own brandy. There are no regulations against that. She told me once that she refuses to support the grocery stores that sell junk. She lives in the city, but rents her garden from the city. Most of the time, what she grows is enough for her to consume. She uses no pesticides. She preserves what she can for winter. What’s funny is that when she brings her potatoes to her kids, they don’t want them. They buy “organic” in stores.
        Some of her garden neighbors keep chickens and she buys eggs from them.
        She also believes to consume preferably vegetables and fruits that are in season. She said that that’s healthy because nature provides for what our bodies need at different times of the year. I believe her.

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      • Your are Right and I agree. However, many of our problems concerning health care, drugs, food, culture, money, banking, wall street, main street, etc., started many decades ago; it’s all intertwined.
        At least look back to LBJ’s Great Society for many answers to our debates of this century.

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      • Snow White says:

        WrightorWrongAl,
        I’ve been saying the same thing and I am a woman as well. Things were much better for our country and families when mom was home to take care of her family.

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      • I agree. You are what you eat!

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      • georgiafl says:

        I ain’t giving up wheat – no matter what. Never.

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        • WSB says:

          Fox had a doctor on this afternoon saying that gluten free isn’t such a good idea, unless you are allergic.

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          • Once you go glutin free you know immediately if it is right for you. My husband’s rheumatoid arthritis is so much better, his skin problems cleared up and he sleeps much better. Maybe he is allergic, who knows… but we both feel a million times better.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I saw that. He also said that gluten free diets can lead to diabetes type 2. Every few years “experts” tell us what to eat and not eat for good health. We are smart people. We know what to do. Our parents and grandparents ate foods that weren’t processed including lard. They moved more than modern day people. They didn’t have weight problems or other health problems we see in today’s society. Processed food, lack of exercise, and stress are killing us.

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    • oldtoenail says:

      This is one of the few post I have seen that covers the real problem. Of course the question is how do we get government out of healthcare. Not how do we fix the present problems.

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    • Aparition42 says:

      Even if you ignore the very real possibility that most of those prescriptions have very little effect on health, it also highlights a key foundational point in the myth of the rising cost of “healthcare”. Healthcare isn’t getting more expensive; people are just buying a lot more of it. Fifty years ago most of those magic pills didn’t even exist. A 75 year old didn’t take 25 daily prescriptions, he just died. Comparing the cost of modern healthcare to the cost of healthcare fifty years ago is like comparing the cost of a high-definition big screen smart phone with unlimited international talk, text, and data to the cost of a rotary dial home phone.

      Over all, the country is healthier than it’s ever been, although that has much more to do with the prevention of accidental injury than any major dietary change or activity level. Most of the big scary causes of death that the CDC and AMA use for fear mongering, cancer, heart disease, diabetes, those are all primarily old-age related illnesses. Everyone dies. If more people are dying of cancer, it has to be because fewer people are dying of something else. These old-age related diseases are only on the rise because non-disease deaths have fallen dramatically over the last century.

      The fear-mongers that are behind this push to force everyone to spend more on “health” than they spend on shelter love to point out how many more people are dying of heart attacks or cancer every year, but they tend to leave out how old most of those people are when they die. If you look at the age component of death you’ll see the inescapable truth that the vast majority of Americans die of good, old-fashioned old age.

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      • trapper says:

        ” Fifty years ago most of those magic pills didn’t even exist. A 75 year old didn’t take 25 daily prescriptions, he just died.”

        Thank you. Yes. I lover snarky comments from twenty-somethings about the number of pills a 50-year old takes, which may very well be keeping that person alive.

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        • amjean says:

          Great response!

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        • John Galt says:

          “which may very well be keeping that person alive.”

          Or killing them, or making them sicker, or making them into drug addicts, or causing mental problems, or doing nothing much at all.

          https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/04/legal-journal-says-antidepressants-can-cause-violence-and-suicide/

          http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/drugs-effective-for-the-few-prescribed-to-the-many-20140919

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        • Aparition42 says:

          I get tired of people whining that miraculous modern treatments like pills that alter the blood chemistry in the liver to inhibit the formation of cholesterol or endoscopic lasers that can shrink previously inoperable tumors, are “too expensive”. How much is making it from 75 to 90 worth to you? How about instead of complaining that it’s too expensive, you appreciate that it even exists, because our recent ancestors didn’t have a lot of these options no matter how rich they were.

          The truth is, with the exception of a few specific cases caused by government meddling in the marketplace or corporate monopolism, healthcare costs, like the cost of a rotary phone and landline service, has gone down. More people can afford to go to the doctor for basic services than ever before. There is no health care crisis in America. Life expectancy is up, infant mortality is down. People are living and staying active longer, but humankind is inherently dissatisfied with its lot in life and always wants more. That’s not a bad thing. It’s what drives the invention of new treatments and therapies as well as all the other modern conveniences we enjoy. It is important, however, to maintain a bit of perspective when crafting national policy around the dissatisfaction and disappointments of the few at the expense of the many.

          Not everyone can afford to drive the newest car. Not everyone can afford the latest smartphone. Not everyone can afford a newly built home. These realities are simply accepted as facts of life, so why should it be considered a national emergency that not everyone can afford the latest in medical advancements either. It’s the way things have always been. Seems to me to be just the latest in a long line of emotionally charged chicken little stories from the left in an attempt to drive the populace towards ever increasing socialist programs.

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      • ediegrey says:

        My grandfather died from an automobile accident in 1954, he was 80 years old The only medicine he ever took was an aspirin everyday. We are way over medicated today, not good – and, yes, costly.

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      • Sandra-VA says:

        I was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 37. Thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, I was able to beat the cancer. There are MANY young people who get cancer, heart problems etc etc…

        However, I will say that the extraordinary efforts to save the life of an 81yr old woman, who had a massive coronary sitting in her easy chair at home, was a waste of time and money… as in the case of my mother-in-law’s sister a few weeks ago. She had heart surgery to put stents in, was helicoptered to another hospital where they did all kinds of procedures… she never ever regained consciousness. She could have remained dead in the comfort of her home… but they “saved” her.

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        • wondering999 says:

          This is where a living will and power of attorney, combined with some basic knowledge about how you will be treated for your condition, will come in handy. Most people would not want CPR after they are old, with brittle bones that are likely to break and hurt miserably if you are revived.

          Although I’m a slacker too (didn’t get my exercise in today), there’s a lot to be said for staying as fit as possible for as long as possible, and then being ready to exit at the best opportunity when it’s time. I don’t want to be miserable on the way out. Dying can be like extended childbirth labor — too much pain for way too long, I don’t want to make decisions for someone else; but for myself, I want my exit to be as quick and painless as possible, and I want to be good and ready when it’s time to go. Before then, would like to try and develop good habits to stay as healthy as possible. We can help each other with that; potluck dinners with decent food, sidewalks and cheap exercise options, safe neighborhoods so you won’t get mugged or beaten when you’re out walking.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          I had cancer when I was 55. I am now 66 and cancer free. At age 58 I had an attack of ventricular fibrillation and suffered sudden cardiac death. My only symptom was I was dizzy. My husband was out of town on a hunting trip. My mother kept at me until I went to the ER. I was only there five minutes when I flat lined. They shocked me back and the next day I received an internal defibrillator. I have done a lot of living since then and I am glad they saved me. I can see where in old age they may be saving someone who will be worse off and have no quality of life.

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    • MVW says:

      Markstoval,
      “I believe that Americans main problem is poor diet and lack of vitamins due to poor nutrition”
      I used to think that too. That was the thinking in the 20th century. Then the Microbiome was discovered in the 21st century by forensic DNA testing of the human body. A new theory based on how bacteria, fungi, and viruses can suppress the innate immune system and survive even in the immune cells similar to HIV, and as people age or through successive infections, the Microbiome overgrows the ability of the immune system.

      http://www.discoverymedicine.com/Amy-D-Proal/2017/01/microbe-microbe-and-host-microbe-interactions-drive-microbiome-dysbiosis-and-inflammatory-processes/

      In other words Chronic disease is the overgrowth of the Microbiome (not gut bacteria myopically focused on by doctors, but bacteria in tissue, organs, brain, blood, etc).

      Pain and symptom management, the only treatment provided by government licensed medicine, is entirely immune suppressive. Hence longterm care invariably leads to acceleration of Microbiome overgrowth and multiplication of new symptoms.

      No pharmaceutical company is pursuing drugs to roll back the Microbiome and doctors, if they even know about the Microbiome, still think in terms of gut bacteria. Alzheimers alone is a nearly $200 billion cost when care is included and that skates over the tragedy. Cardiovascular disease, etc $ Trillions in direct and indirect cost can be traced back to this mechanism of disease. And yet we are still stuck with mere updates of Koch’s 19th century paradigm for disease (one pathogen – one disease model) and the Microbiome is buried and ignored, no one knows what to do with it so best to not talk about it or talk just about the GI tract. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates

      Cost, however, is as you say, is due to palliative treatment and not cure.

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      • In AZ says:

        I have never heard of “microbiome”.

        Thanks for the information. I will do further research on this subject.

        For years I have wondered why there is no research on what causes autoimmune diseases, other diseases. There is only research on how to treat the diseases. Some diseases are so rare no one considers ANY treatment, so those people who have rare diseases suffer.

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      • entagor says:

        Antibiotics and chemicals in the environment rearranging the microbial flora on which our life forms were optimized. We are just beginning to learn the genetics that make a drug useful for one human and toxic for another.

        20% of Europeans have genes that make it difficult to convert beta carotene into vitamin A. Great for hunters who got ready to use vitamin A from animal liver, but a minus for populations that switched to farming and had to get vitamin A from beta carotene.

        Today people with macular degeneration are urged to take an AREDs supplement high in beta carotene, Zinc and Vitamin E. Statistically it reduces damage, but, the sub population can’t process that beta carotene well

        A family member was given azithromycin by an eye specialist, not for infection, but because this antibiotic sometimes suppresses autoimmune dry eye. It triggered a drug induced lupus reaction. People assume antibiotics simply kill germs but antibiotics kill germs by interfering in life processes

        Azithromycin suppressed something in the immune system that was a moderating factor against other raging parts of the immune system in the family member. The same antibiotic also interferes with acetylcholine in nerve signaling which makes it not good for myasthenia gravis victims who already have that problem

        We are playing with fire, but If doctors do not prescribe magic pills, they will be held liable for not following standard practice

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    • Coldeadhands says:

      You nailed it. “Healthcare” in America is really illness management given to us by the FDA, AMA, big pharma, food producing multinationals, Monsanto, Bayer, etc.
      Oh and let’s not forget the ADA and their Mercury spewing members and their “symbiosis” with local municipalities to adulterate our water supplies with Thyroid destroying fluoride in the name of tooth protection. (If there is doubt, 30 minutes of research into halogen displacement will tell the story of iodine neutralizing halogens and the resultant expense of widespread Thyroid disease, hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism and Thyroid cancer.)

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    • singingsoul says:

      I wish insurance would allow me to go to a Dr Weil doctor who is into healing and not just hand out pills.
      The first time I went to a doctor after 30 in this country the first thing the doctor said was is I need sleeping pills. I told him nothing that Camille tea cannot cure. I hate pills and antibiotic.
      A cold is just that go to bed and sleep it off. Eat clean food and lots of fresh vegetable and limit meat to twice a week. No prepared foods and bake your own bread with old grains from Kansas . The seeds were brought to the US by Russian immigrants.

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      • singingsoul says:

        Do not eat pond raised fish .

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      • no-nonsense-nancy says:

        I read a book called The Fat Fallacy once. I can;t remember the author’s name. You should eat no food that contains more than 5 ingredients because anything after that is all chemicals. I have gotten into looking at the number of ingredients in foods and it is very disappointing when I have to put one of my favorite foods back. Eat one ingredient foods as much as possible, such as meat, potatoes, rice, etc. Shop around the perimeters of grocery stores, meat, dairy, fresh produce. I have a garden and can or freeze most of what I eat.
        I am a nurse, and after working most of my career in hospitals or nursing homes and giving out a slew of meds to patients, I know that if you take more than 6 pills per day they all counteract with one another.
        I refuse to take flu shots and I have been taking 5000 IUs of Vit D for over 8 years and have not had a cold or flu in all that time.

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    • You are so right. Many of my 80+ aged friends take either no pills or maybe one. They all report major astonishment when they proudly announce this fact. Strange that most are women and most have an exercise routine, pay attention to what they ear, and enjoy a solid connection with their religion and their religious community. Hmmmm

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    • spren says:

      I guess that poor nutrition and prescription medications are so bad that the average life expectancy has increased by at least 17 years just during my lifetime.

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    • Andrew Armen says:

      a lot of power was given to tom price thats phase 2

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    • weavinplain says:

      Markstoval: After reading this, I want to jump up and down, cheer and shake my fists in the air. But we can’t blame it all on the government and drug company greed. The educational system, public and private, as it applies to both doctors and patients is part of the cause.

      The public is afraid to think for itself, brainwashed into believing that they are not bright enough to think for themselves. Following meekly behind each other to the drug counter, they accept the word of the drug companies, who think with their wallets.

      Doctors are just as guilty. Today, they have more information available and are still no smarter. They rely on handing out drugs like jelly beans, different colors for different ailments. E-Z peasy.

      Next week I’ll notch #80 in the birthday sweepstakes (I’m holding a parade on Fifth Ave. – please come) and my last physical checkup was in 1948. That doctor was as dumb as a post – even as a kid I could tell that. I take no drugs – not even aspirin – and no one believes that. I’m currently reading up on an ailment described as one of the world’s most misdiagnosed diseases. A Harvard-trained doctor interviewed said that his professional circle of friends, graduates of top medical schools, all agree that they received a few HOURS at most of education in nutrition!

      We should accept the fact that, despite the great cost of today’s medical ‘treatments’, we are on our own.

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      • markstoval says:

        A great post, and I agree with all you wrote.

        I am 15 years behind you and still working for a living. I go to the doctor once a year because my workplace health insurance demands it. I take no medicines at all, not even aspirin just as with you. I do take vitamins since our food supply is so degraded that I don’t think one can get the vitamins from “good diet” like one could 100 years ago.

        I will work till I am your age or die first. Time will tell. (private school math teacher)

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  3. tommylotto says:

    It saddens me to see Sundance pushing the three step nonsense. Next he will be pushing amnesty with a promise of border security later, or maybe a bloated spending bill with promises of cuts in future years.

    This is a one step process. This bill is it. Any promised legislation in step three is a lie.

    What Jordan is proposing is this — you kill Obamacare when you have a chance, leaving nothing it it’s place. Then you propose a good bill to replace it. With nothing in its place you might get some Dems to agree to a replacement bill. If none cooperate, then we could blame the Dems refusal to be reasonable for the failure to pass a replacement plan. However, if you pass Obamacare Lite you buy into the Dems’ structural premise, and they have no incentive to help out in Phase three. There will be no Phase three. The GOP will have bought into the nation’s healthcare with a rotten replacement bill and will be held responsible at the ballot box for every bad outcome in the nation. Then Trump gets impeached.

    This plan is such a bag of stupid it shocks me.

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    • Stringy theory says:

      There are not enough votes to kill it and, if you could, you would not be able to pass legislation to replace it. That is the political reality you ignore. Sorry, but that’s the way it is.

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      • repsort says:

        True enough.. but I chuckle when I see people arguing that “no seriously!!! This is only step 1 of a 3 step plan! We can trust ’em!!!”

        hahah! Charlie Brown and the football 😉

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      • Steve in Lewes says:

        and there aren’t enough votes to do Step 3 or any “future” tax reform that will require to break the 60 vote Senate baloney. Hells Bells there won’t be enough votes to pass anything that Pres Trump wants to do because the Dems are in lock-step. The repubs are just crap weasels with no balls!

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      • amjean says:

        Both Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are talking
        some sense; along with Sarah Palin.

        The brain trust will get something together
        that does what the people want. Wait and
        see….let’s not rush in to anything.

        When the government rushes it is because
        they don’t want us to know what they are
        up to.

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        • ediegrey says:

          Ted Crus? Rand Paul? Sarah Palin? Have we learned nothing from the last two years. No thanks, I’ll stick with President Trump.

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        • vinchenzer says:

          I hope so. Because This whole Ryan Plan sounds shady. (There will never be a step 3, it’s typical GOPe lies). The Freedom Caucus has a better bill but they have no strategy to get it passed in the Senate so it’s just grandstanding on this issue. I’m sick of hearing about how everyone voted
          for Repeal 15 months ago. So what! that was then, this is now, things have changed.

          The Republicans have to be united on this. President Trump will have to bring everyone together on this and make a deal. He has to
          provide Leadership on this because the GOPe are liars and part of the UniParty and the “Principled” Conservatives are ideological-fanatics that don’t know how to lead or how to strategize.

          I believe in using Incrementalism to get rid of ObamaCare but NOT with the GOPe leading the charge.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Why oh why are people not grasping this truth as much as it has been stated here? What part of there are not enough votes to kill it do they not understand? I’m starting to lose patience. We may not like it but it’s the way it has to be. Trust President Trump in this.

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    • Marc says:

      You can’t even kill Obamacare right now! There are at least 5 Republican senators that won’t vote for a full repeal so what the hell can you get done with 47 votes? Not a damn thing.

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    • stella says:

      Let me throw in a wrench. Beat me up if you like, because I don’t really care. Unless you are an expert, frankly your opinion isn’t worth as much as Sundance’s.

      Why health care policy experts support the GOP Obamacare replacement plan.

      https://csteventucker.wordpress.com/2017/03/11/why-health-care-policy-experts-support-the-gop-obamacare-replacement-plan/

      To say the individual health insurance marketplace in this country is in a dire situation is an understatement. In fact, if something is not done now to preserve what is left of that marketplace, we will have no health insurance carriers left to choose from in 2018. United Healthcare has already exited after losing more than a billion dollars. Aetna exited after losing more than half a billion dollars and Humana now has wisely exited the marketplace as well in most states. This leaves consumers with a monopoly dominated mostly by Blue Cross entities all of which have lost hundreds of millions of dollars since the inception of Obamacare. These few remaining carriers will not continue to contribute to their own demise forever. Something has to be done now, not later and that is the impetus behind the current GOP proposal to repeal and replace Obamacare. This is also why myself and other health care policy experts like Betsy McCaughey support the proposal. …

      To be frank, if you’re just reading this and you’ve never been on the other end of the phone with a woman with Ovarian cancer who’s calling you for help whilst she’s lying in her bed at Northwestern Memorial hospital weeping because she can no longer receive care there, you cannot possibly understand how dire the situation is. The worst part is that for the first time in my 20 year career as a licensed health insurance broker, there was nothing I could do to help this woman. There were literally no other options for her. There were only two other carriers I could offer her and those carriers offer only restrictive HMOs, none of which provide access to her preferred hospital or any of our other teaching hospitals. There are 19 million Americans just like her who are self employed sole proprietors and as such have to purchase their own health insurance in the individual marketplace. Their choices will soon be zero if something is not done now to incentivize health insurance carriers to once again reenter the individual health insurance marketplace. Already nearly 1/3rd of all counties in this nation have only ONE health insurance carrier to choose from. Soon it will be NONE.

      The only way to kill Obamacare is to go to a simple majority vote in the Senate, and it is unlikely that will happen. Rand Paul said openly that he doesn’t care if it doesn’t succeed, because then the Democrats will own it. Well, no they won’t. The millions of American citizens who will suffer will blame the President and the Republican Party for destroying the insurance market.

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      • jeans2nd says:

        I’m With Her (Her being Stella).

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      • 4bleu says:

        That’s the problem.
        The attitude of “let it collapse so the Dems will own it” is not a valid or responsible position.
        That sounds like failure to figure out what to do. Failure to handle the rough and tumble chaos of everyone with an agenda trying to assert their control of this. Putting up bills that can be predicted to be rejected in the votes is a waste of everyone’s time, efforts and hopes.
        If left to go that way will mean a lot of people will suffer, stranded.
        That’s the new weakened generation ‘whatever’ attitude. It’s not good.

        Trump is of the generation: “Failure is not an option!”

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      • trapper says:

        Everyone here should print your post and tape it to the wall above their computer screens, then go to your link, print that out, and tape it next to your post.

        What if we can only accomplish phases one and two, and can’t get phase three passed? Well, we will be far batter off than if we did nothing and allowed the system to collapse, or repealed the whole thing and then couldn’t get a replacement bill passed. If we can’t get 60 votes for phase three because of the democrats, why would we believe we could get 60 votes to pass a replacement bill after the Republicans allowed Obamacare to fail on their watch? The Republicans would own the collapse.

        My take is that realistically we probably won’t get phase three, we have only one shot at Obamacare, and that shot is doing as much as we can with reconciliation and subsequent regulation rewriting. Then on to the wall and trade and tax reduction. If we can’t get phase three with 60 votes, we hang that around the democrats’ necks in 2018.

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      • amjean says:

        Oh, please! I agree that this site and
        Sundance are research gems.
        My take is that his
        opinion on this issue is good for what is
        known now.

        However, in this country, we do have some
        of the greatest minds. I am hopeful that
        a few of them will get together and come
        up with a much better solution that fits
        what Americans want. Rand Paul, Ted
        Cruz and Sarah Palin are the voices I am
        listening to right now.

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      • Athena the Warrior says:

        May I add that the Swamp Media will make sure to blame it on President Trump and the Republicans to try and help the Democrats get back in power. Jordan’s political my way or the highway is childish and not constructive no matter how many times he says doing what we promised the voters we would do.

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      • deh3k says:

        You are exactly right on this. The situation of the woman with Ovarian cancer is precisely what everyone in the individual market is facing. Helping the sick right into the grave.

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    • JT says:

      ” Then you propose a good bill to replace it.”
      if you think Republicans would agree to any replacement, you’re wrong. its a bait and switch tactic and thats what Jim Jordan is trying to pull. look at them now. they should’ve had a contingency ready to go years ago and they’re just now debating these things.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Today being Sunday I shall silence myself, except – Lotto Luzer contained in your words, tommy.

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    • singingsoul says:

      tommylotto

      So you think Trump is put into the WH as dictator..? You do know I am for sure that if the other branches of government do not go along with him there will be no healthcare bill only Obama care right..???
      Sundance is a very smart person and if you read what he wrote you would see what he is saying.

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    • vinchenzer says:

      There will be no Phase three
      ——————————————
      My greatest fear. It’s typical RINO-empty-promising. How long are we gonna allow ourselves to be played like that?

      But truthfully, Jordan and his ilk are secular-ideological fanantics. They don’t have any ideas on how to make it work within the process and realities that they have been dealt. It’s easy to be a “Principled Conservative” when you leave it to the “other guy” to figure the most complicated part of passing Healthcare Reform. I AM NOT IMPRESSED BY THE FREEDOM CAUCAS. They are Frauds just like they were during Trump’s Campaign.

      Work with the RINOs, fix the Bill and MOST IMPORTANTLY come up with a strategy to get it passed.

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      • WeThePeople2016 says:

        There will be a Phase 3. VP Pence and Ryan have said that Trump is going to take it to the campaign trail and campaign in the states that Dem Senators hold that Trump won big league in November. Trump is going to campaign on Phase 3 in those states. Bet some of these Dems will vote for Phase 3 when all is said and done.

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    • Andrew Armen says:

      no u idiot we repealed we would be blamed, what about the rest of the agenda.

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    • law4lifeblog says:

      Tommylotto, please explain where the votes are for full Obamacare repeal now…..we are waiting……

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  4. Charles says:

    Chris Wallace, always worried about running of time to cover his next question, but never worried about running out the clock repeating questions already asked.

    So much fake news, so little time.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      Annoying, isn’t he.

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      • Charles says:

        I’ve gotten indifferent about listening to these interviews, especially when I know from experience the interviewer is largely hogging the airtime. I much prefer to read transcipts. I can skip the interviewer fluff and read the interviewee’s positions (and re-read them, double check them, etc.)… the occasional monolog excepted (like Jeanine Pirro) or the occasional rant (Paul Joseph Watson).

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    • 2x4x8 says:

      does it all the time

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  5. Marc says:

    Jordan is a shill for the Koch Brothers. He makes it obvious that he’s not thinking long term but only for the immediate goal of his donors. Trump never wanted to repeal without a replacement. We have to back our President no matter how many so-called conservatives oppose him.

    And yes, Treepers notice the shill accounts popping up in healthcare threads to divide Trump supporters. So many usernames I’ve never seen until a few days ago ranting on an on about wanting a “clean repeal” and simply crying woe is me.

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    • sundance says:

      See my comment below. The new “usernames” are not happpenstance. Your hunches are accurate.

      I wonder how much the Kochs and Katz’s have poured into the purchase of social media BOTS?

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  6. E C says:

    He’s okay with losing seats. Did he say he was willing to lose HIS seat over this?

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  7. sundance says:

    There are multiple foreign ip addresses that show up on each of the “healthcare” discussion threads. Mostly German, Australian and U.K. It would be intellectually dishonest not to accept this activity as coordinated.

    Obviously there are massive numbers of financial interests who have organized and paid for people to comment on social media. Sharyl Attkisson has explained this quite a bit in the past several years. We saw it in massive use in the 2016 election and we are seeing it again now.

    In addition, there are swarms of inbound ip addresses that stem from clusters of activity in Virginia, California and Colorado.

    Just keep this in mind when reviewing comments. When we find an ip address using multiple usernames, ip’s from overseas that have no comment history, or swarms of usernames from regional scattershot, we are deleting the content.

    Warmest best.

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  8. Stringy theory says:

    Thanks Sundance. These threads have tons of poster names I have never seen in all my time here. Money buys bots, millions of them.

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    • FofBW says:

      The bottom line, we must continue our trust in President Trump. The Special interest are using Obamacare replacement to continue their psy-ops against President Trump. No time to be luke warm.

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      • 2x4x8 says:

        then let President Trump have Dave Brat write a Heath Care Bill (Tom Price’s) and go all out and support it, why let the Chamber of Commerce write the Bill

        if Price was good enough to pick for Cabinet, his Bill should be the starting point for Trump

        This is a MAJOR FAIL

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        • sundance says:

          Tom Price did write the bill. Where do you get the opinion he didn’t.?

          95% of the bill is Tom Price’s specific penmanship. Where do you get the opinion it’s not?

          Tom Price is now HHS Secretary. He knows the bill like the back of his hand and is fully coordinating phase #2 regulatory reform, changes and elimination, with that in mind. Where do you get the opinion he’s not?

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          • CeeCee23 says:

            Oops. I guess I should have refreshed the page before I asked for verification to his/her comment. You shut that down! Lol

            Thanks for all you do Sundance.

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          • 2x4x8 says:

            the mandate is still there with the Fed Gov forcing people into “buying insurance”, only they replace the IRS with Insurance Co. extracting the penalty

            i would have to go back to search your quotes on “Government forcing people to buy a private product”, i remember the dissatisfaction, but can’t place the harshness of the words used

            what happened to Liberty? free market? free enterprise? you had a good article on the “Republic would be destroyed if no 60 votes for minority rights and tyranny by the majority”, you can’t see it here?

            expanding Medicaid? growing Government? more free bees?

            if there are uninsured, go to the County Health facilities, States may stop attacking welfarites and illegal types if they had to pay locally not nationally

            where is the “sell insurance across State lines”? that was PROMISED in rallies, no room in the Bill because it wasn’t written by Trump Supporters

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        • CeeCee23 says:

          Would you mind posting a link that proves the Chamber of Commerce wrote the bill please? You have stated this twice now and I have been unable to find any confirmation to this statement. Thank you.

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  9. Frankly Rep Jordan and the other Conservatives need to put up or shut up. Say what you want about Rand Paul, at least he made a piece of legislation and goes “This is what I want.” Where is the Freedom Caucus’s legislation? They spend 2 months complaining to Hannity, Beck, and other talk radio outlets saying they’re shut out of process, blah blah. Where is their bill? WHere is their alternative? Now he goes to “Lets just pass the repeal bill from 2015 that destroys the health insurance market in 2020.”

    Say what you want about Ryan’s plan, it does indeed guts Obamacare while creating a bridge to replace. Is it perfect, no but it lays tarp down for transition.

    After hearing Rep Jordan and the others, I keep thinking back to Speaker Boehner. All these Conservatives complained about Boehner, would go on and on about he “He needs to go. We need a Conservative Speaker.” And when Boehner finally resigned…not 1 stood up. In the end we got Speaker Paul Ryan. Now they’re complaining.

    News Flash to Representative Jordan, if the voters want hardcore and pure Conservative legislation, Donald Trump wouldn’t have been the GOP Nominee.

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    • ediegrey says:

      If Donald Trump hadn’t been the GOP nominee, Hillary Clinton would be president today. All these “hardcore and pure Conservatives” get us no where. At best, they are useless, and at worst, who knows what their true agenda is.

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  10. Mike diamond says:

    The one in all this who is really confused is Chris Wallace, now I need to go take a nap! Chris,you wore us out,my gosh man! Settle down!!!!!!!!

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  11. Scoob says:

    If you are upset by my comments, you can just ban them.

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  12. quintrillion says:

    A lawyer one confided in me that lawyers want to be doctors and most doctors want to be lawyers.
    Again, every thing is over regulated and insurance scams are NOT health care.
    It’s more like bankruptcy insurance.

    I think the answer is liberty health shares for true negotiation ability and freedom from government involvement.

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  13. TJ says:

    This illustrates the problem. Health care is incredibly complicated and incredibly expensive. It is also a necessity for most families, but not affordable, even with insurance. Obamacare is a disaster, but repealing it without any replacement will destroy many families and cost some people their lives. Not hyperbole, but the truth. Cancer strikes many when they least expect it. It will not wait for Congress to solve an insurance issue. Quick care is necessary and expensive.
    Reforming health care is not an easy or quick fix. GOP also runs the risk of losing one or both houses of Congress if they just let people suffer when they promised to fix healthcare. Now, they have to deliver.

    I do not like Ryancare, but it appears to be the framework of the vehicle to move forward. I don’t believe it can pass as is and Ryan is not the leader to deliver it. POTUS will have to renegotiate it so he can get the votes in the Senate. Some factions will not be happy. There will need to be give & take. Best case scenario would be to bring some red state Dems on board. President Trump is uniquely qualified to do this. He promised that he’s with us, and I believe him. He does not owe anything to lobbyists. It will be tough, but he will deliver. He may even bring Jordan on board.

    Once we can move to taxes and jobs, some of the problems with Medicaid enrollment will be resolved due to increased salaries and higher numbers working. Healthcare can be improved over time, not by Easter. We have to start somewhere. This plan is a start.

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  14. Mike24 says:

    All I want to say is I don’t like what Paul Ryan is doing – he’s buying ad time to hit Freedom Caucus members in their own state with ads against them and it took out one representative.
    “Just this week, a group began a $500,000 ad campaign targeting 30 House Freedom Caucus members calling upon them to support what is now being called Ryancare. Similar efforts were initiated against Freedom Caucus members like Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) last year taking out Huelskamp.”

    Targeting your own members because they may not be on board with Ryancare is a gutless act and tells me all I need to know about Ryan and his plan. Both belong in the trash. I stand with Rand.
    Tom Cotton was on one of the shows today almost begging his House counterparts to not vote on this bill because they would lose their seats and the majority in the House. If those in the Senate can see so clearly, why can’t the House leadership? Its going nowhere in the Senate.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      None of us can stop Paul Ryan et al from doing what they are doing. Rand Paul has no votes for his plan. Neither you nor anyone else can predict what will or will not pass in either the House or the Senate.

      The Democrats have a say in this as well. Negotiations can and will be done. Each Senator and Representative will rise or fall on their own.

      The question is, which path will benefit the American People. The question is not which path benefits each individual Senator, Representative, or Victim Group.

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    • MissV says:

      You mean ‘trust me’ Trump hater Tom Cotton, the new face of the knee-jerk, bleeding heart virtue-signaling Senators Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul?

      You’re joking, aren’t you? Sheesh.

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      • Archie says:

        Something is wrong, very wrong. Why is Cotton plastered all over the news all of a sudden?

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        • Americat says:

          Ever-so-pious, Anti-Trump Tom Cotton, with huge pictures… even in his military garb…
          Yes.. Why so much these past few days?
          It usually seemed to originate with articles from Breitbart, but now…?
          Grooming and wooing Trump voters…?

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      • Americat says:

        Our exact sentiments! Thank you!!

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    • Ray Titus says:

      The House leadership supported Obama all through his presidency. They support the Democrats over and over again. They are not conservative no matter what their claims are. They are part of the UniParty. They are the enemy of the American people. If you took all 535 members of the House and Senate and removed the true conservatives you’d still have over 90% of the membership remaining. On the Republican side the majority are either GOPe or they are just GOP who go along to get along. They are not fighters for their constituents. They are there for power. This is why whenever I read the discussions here about these issues I am always amazed how rarely anyone mentions that this is the voters fault. The voters elected these people and have kept them in office. The voters should have been holding them accountable and removing those who wouldn’t do their jobs, but instead the voters have allowed this to get worse and worse for decades. While people like Ryan may be terrible and need to be removed, he’s only there because we, the voters, have allowed it. We need to be getting organized and fighting for 2018 right now, not next year. And it won’t stop there. As soon as 2018 is over, we need to start on 2020. It’s a long-term war and we can plan on passing this war on to our children and grandchildren. That’s what our Founders told us it would be like. We need to heed their words and advice.

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    • cozette says:

      Huelskamp lost because he was a vicious Never Trumper. Rand admitted his plan would never pass even with 100% support from the GOP. His goal is to destroy everything. He’s a principled anarchist. He and the other “principled” conservatives won’t suffer because they, their families and staff do not have Obama care but he is content for millions of Americans to suffer for the sake of pleasing his ideological, elitist, billionaire donors.

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    • law4lifeblog says:

      Mike, Heulskamp was a flaming ah£le who deserved to lose, his NeverTrump hystrionics were embarrassing.

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  15. Marc says:

    Well, I support it because there’s no other good practical or political move to make. That’s the crappy reality of this entrenched Obamacare legislation. Just trust President Trump on this. He’s not in it for donor cash but for what’s best for the people.

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  16. Marc says:

    Maria is a pragmatist and an honest broker of information while Wallace is a dirty, lying globalist. Fox News will be for this plan as is. When Wilbur Ross puts in the changes it needs, they will do a 180. Just watch.

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  17. William Ford says:

    These “true” conservatives are hell bent to get thrown out of power and back to minority status as quickly as possible. They actually believe that de-funding Medicaid and throwing 55 million low income people off their health insurance is a winning political strategy. Just like they believe that cutting social security benefits 30% is a winning strategy. It’s a death wish. May make them feel good … but it’s just a ticket to put the crazy progressives back in power. Governing takes a little more sense.

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    • Marc says:

      Exactly. They can’t support their President and constituents while, at the same time, support the positions of their donors and lobbyists. So they need to lose elections to lose the Senate and/or House. In today’s political climate, cutting any entitlement out immediately as basically asking to be voted out of office. And to me, it’s disingenuous to focus on foodstamps and Medicaid costs when they don’t give a crap about illegal immigration’s costs or fighting wars constantly for almost 16 years.

      For “conservative” politicians, cutting Medicare, Medicaid, Soc. Sec., or any other entitlement is easy because none of their donors make money off welfare programs. The Kochs, Catz’s, Braman’s, and Rickett’s of the billionaire right couldn’t care less about poor folks that need public assistance. Military and pharma lobbying is where the money is.

      We voted for Donald Trump because he wasn’t beholden to corporations and billionaires because he was the billionaire looking out for the interests of the common man.

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      • Marc says:

        This is more about class than race. I’m a struggling minority that supports President Trump but you can keep going with the race-driven narrative just like the Van Joneses and Jorge Ramoses of the world.

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      • ediegrey says:

        Donald Trump is also no fool.

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      • Archie says:

        Just one quibble.

        Constituents ARE getting what they voted for! Every GOP voter knows exactly the kind of person they are voting for and they vote for the candidate that does what they want.

        There seems to be a general disconnect in analysis on our side that thinks voters are getting screwed.

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        • Marc says:

          I disagree. There are many Republican voters that vote on party lines just like the Dems and they don’t study the political climate or what that R stands for and against. McCain and Cochran are reelected over and over because of sheer ignorance.

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    • Amen, they do not know how to govern, all they do know how to do is shrine, wring their dainty little hands and point fingers …. And oh, how to form a circular firing squad. I am just saying. End of rant.

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    • Stringy theory says:

      William Ford, you get it. Thank you.

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  18. Willy says:

    When I was younger and moonlighting nights flying cancelled checks between Montreal, Boston and NYC, I remember thinking……
    The biggest, tallest buildings I flew over belonged to the banks, the insurance companies and the government.
    JFK tried to just reign in the banks – see where that got him.

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  19. osage44 says:

    After listening to Scalise and Jordan, I get the sense that the two R sides are quitecwillihng to negotiate an acceptable Bill. Trump will help them come together on something that will work. People need to cool down and let the process work. And people on our side really should stop the ad hominen attacks on Republican leaders with whom they do not see eye to eye on these issues. We all need to come together in the end.

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    • singingsoul says:

      The reason common sense people did not vote for republicans were the Freedom Caucus. Those people give me the willies. They are to far right for me and I do not like entrenched narrow minded people. In life one needs to have some flexibility to give and take and not only take. It says United States not individual Stated. United we stand.

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    • Stringy theory says:

      Good advice.

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  20. Icandy55 says:

    The simple problem here is that our reps have the same reputation of fake news. No one trusts them. They have repeatedly lied. I’m concerned about phase 3 and getting 60 votes. If we can’t get them now why do we think we will then? I pray this can be resolved fairly and honestly and that’s from my heart. And, yes, I am a real person, a new commenter because I am worried and trying to understand and I am not paid by anyone.

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    • MissV says:

      You make an important point. Nobody in Congress – NOBODY – is trustworthy or sincere or unattached to hefty donations.

      Their wounded pleadings leave me cold. Every one of them has earned the contempt with which we are showing them now.

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      • Howie says:

        They are simply politicians. All of them. That is what they are. They just have too much power. Why anyone would have any faith in a party politician just amazes me. Trillions in graft and bribes tell the tale.

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  21. artichoke says:

    Art of the Deal. He has to act intransigent at this stage, just as Ryan is acting intransigent. Otherwise he’s surrendering.

    It’s good to see he’s at least trying to stand up to the Ryan faction.

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  22. Lin Rei says:

    In the past 2 years, POTUS has handled other things quite well that have intially unsettled or confused his base. Perhaps President Trump is keeping his cards close to his vest right now and has some aces up his sleeve to address concerns.

    POTUS knows that if mass numbers of folks lose insurance coverage, whatever the reason, it will bite the GOP at the polls in 2018 and 2020. For MAGA to go forward, we need to keep control of the House and gain ground in the Senate. POTUS is very aware of this, so I need to assume POTUS plans to prevent that no matter how the intial phase of this looks.

    That said, I’d feel more settled if President Trump would say (or tweet), that he acknowledges the fears of working people that this replacement plan appears to price many out of insurance.

    Here’s my POTUS tweet wish list:

    1. I wish POTUS would comment specifically on the part of Ryan’s plan that clearly states it will bump the premium cap UP for people aged 50-64 … nearly double from 3X to 5X cap —how could anyone absorb a nearly double jump in their premium when so many are already teetering on edge of losing insurance due to spiraling premiums?

    2. The other area which I know less about is the impact on Medicaid Expansion which impacts the Working poor. POTUS is American workers’ president.

    At this juncture, POTUS may believe he needs to say as little as possible publicly (deal making). But I’d sure appreciate it if POTUS would mention these above two items with a wink … and a tweet: Don’t worry I’ve got this.

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  23. truthandjustice says:

    Here’s some info that Sundance posted re who the Freedom Caucus members really were back when they were supporting Ryan for Speaker in 2015 to keep in mind: Excerpts

    “Media figures have been struggling to explain why the House Freedom Caucus supported Ryan, but the PBS documentary makes clear that the founding member of the House Freedom Caucus is perhaps Ryan’s closest amnesty partner in Congress, and other House Freedom Caucus members share that same libertarian open borders ideology.
    Because Ryan would have known this better than anyone, he had every reason in the world to put the Speaker’s decision in the hands of the House Freedom Caucus.
    In effect, the revolt against open borders that felled Cantor–and which began the leadership shake-up that toppled Boehner and blocked McCarthy–was placed, at the final minutes, in the hands of a caucus founded and populated by several of Congress’ most open borders members.”

    theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/10/27/wow-breitbart-article-reveals-depth-of-amnesty-immigration-trickery-by-gope/

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  24. Hey “Real Treepers”, remember just one factual point : Pres. Trump is a pragmatist, not an ideologue as many in Congress are AND Pres. Trump knows these people for who they really are b/c he has been working them over for about 40 years, as a businessman hell-bent on succeeding in the marketplace.
    Don’t forget Wolman Rink.

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  25. artichoke says:

    How can they move “Stage 3” requiring 60 votes thru the Senate? Only way I can see is logrolling. You think Stage 1 is ugly? 3 will be far worse.

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    • SandraOpines says:

      Couldn’t you use a variety of bills for stage 3

      Taking down state lines should be an easy sell, staying on insurance till 26 should also be easy. Some you could put in bills like pork or whatever. Many ways to get things thru in phase 3………. at least in my head.

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  26. artichoke says:

    I think your logic is mixed up. If you have the gleaming welfare state, it is exactly what would be overrun by the blacks and mestizos.

    Since we are enriched by such diversity, we CANNOT have a welfare state. We have to go bare-bones.

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  27. mcclainra says:

    Another interesting take on the fight by Joel Pollak at Breitbart:
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/09/obamacare-blue-state-blues-art-deal-explains-replacement-debate/

    And one thing I would like to see added, at the TOP of the list, is that ALL officials, elected, etc., MUST have the same medical care as other Americans. Get rid of that cadillac healthcare for crooks; make them have the same as everyone else.

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    • singingsoul says:

      We had a cadillac healthcare through the University and Obama wanted to punish the University with Millions of dollars.
      How come they do not punish themselves..? Those planes are not cheap and the University paid part of it. The University had a Union.
      This year was a mess everything changed for the faculty the cost is higher and less coverage. I am glad we are retired.
      Even in Germany government officials have a private insurance the rest is government healthcare. They only can keep up the healthcare if the refugees get jobs to pay into the social system to keep it going for all the people retire rig in near future.
      Social programs cannot keep up if there are more people taking than paying in.

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      • Cowwow says:

        sing, I have to wonder about your point re: social programs cannot keep up if there are more people taking than paying in.

        It makes me think of all the baby boomers retiring and flooding the system (of which I am one) and the fact that people are being kept alive much longer than ever before.
        So it seems the elephant in the room, of course, is exactly that-who pays?

        Even though we have paid into different systems throughout our working lives, who pays when we retire and have monetarily catastrophic conditions?

        It is way past my pay grade and I am thankful SD can articulate the dilemma.
        All the back and forth posturing by the House and Senate members has become bewildering and tedious.

        At this point, there is a trust factor to consider, since we have not the background for all the procedures in the Senate and all the particulars of what actually goes into the bill writing/passage.

        I must trust that the President will eventually arrive at what is the best under these horrible circumstances the Pelosi/Reid dragons saddled us with for Obamacare.
        If it takes a 3 part plan, then so be it.

        Until then I’ll continue to read and refrain from other comments.
        Thank you all for all the comments. It does help, well, most times 🙄

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  28. Joel says:

    We are all twisted in knots because of the filibuster. Use to be 66 votes, now 60, needs to be 50. We have had 8 years of reconciliation under Obama, and 7+trillion dollars all caused by fake conservatives hidden behind reconciliation. Stop the BS in the senate. It has retarded progress for almost 100 years.

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    • Archie says:

      I might agree but the GOP is too stupid to keep control of the Senate so then your 50 vote threshold would be a disaster with the Dems in control.
      It might be better to go back to 66 to keep congress from voting in oodles of stupid laws.

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  29. repsort says:

    I don’t trust a single DC insider and I admit that my contempt for them clouds my judgement. Every time I start to 2nd guess Trump I end up regretting it… I’m going to trust him on this and judge him when it’s all said and done. Do I trust Lyin Ryan or any of the other pukes involved in this? HELL NO.. Do I Trust Trump? Yep. He asked me to support him in this, so that’s what I’ll do. But I reserve the right to be pissed off if he screws me over… And if that happens, he’ll never win me back – I’ve had enough of that.

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    • JEM says:

      Repsort, I completely agree with you on that, and couldn’t have said it better, except that I don’t believe he’ll screw us over. What I think is that he is obstructed and undermined from many directions. He may loose some fights! If that happens, we, his supporters, shall not let that distract us and keep supporting him.
      “One for all, and all for one!”

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  30. In AZ says:

    I accidentally came across an article about a family in Great Britain. When their now 3 year old son was a newborn, he won the acting role on a popular British television series. The boy was born with a condition (sorry, can not remember the name of medical condition ) where the skull bones are misshapen and the baby can not hold up his own head at the age when a baby can start holding up their own head. The earlier the treatment , the less pain there is for the child and greater success.

    By Great Britain’s National Health Services definition the treatment the boy needed was considered cosmetic and not covered by the NHS. The waiting list for treatment was years long. The family went to a private doctor and the family could not afford the treatment. The family contacted the star of the series for help. The star actor donated signed articles and other items from the series for auction to raise money for treatment. The boy is in treatment.

    Not a good story for national health care controlled by the government. The United States Veteran Hospital system is another good example.

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    • singingsoul says:

      My brother had kidney cancer it took him months to get treatment and a hospital bed. He past away age 44.
      My other brother had torn ligament it took doctors 9 months to finally operate. He is 76 and they told him not more physical therapy . We are very spoiled with good doctors and fast treatment but one needs health insurance to get the treatment. I cannot imagine not having insurance I rather would do with less than not have it.

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  31. Mac says:

    Well, Jordan makes sense. As he pointed out, the entire Republican membership of the House voted for a clean repeal bill 15 months ago. Yet now, suddenly repeal is off the table. Huh???

    This is all kabuki theater. The Establishment Congress does not want to get rid of Obamacare. Unlike the Democrats, who are emotionally invested in socialism, the Republicans KNOW that socialized medicine will not work. Yet, they are terrified that if they actually do anything to truly fix the system, they are either going to have to socialize healthcare or some people are going to lose their health insurance and access to low cost healthcare.

    But, the Congressional leadership has been forced to do something, by the deplorables who are screaming for action. So, along comes Ryancare out of nowhere. And, we are being told that it is the only option, sort of like many Obamacare exchanges. Take it or leave it. And, no one seems capable of explaining what the big rush is. Obamacare is not going to collapse the system in the next few months.

    Trump is not an Obamacare hater. Nor does he appear to be a true supporter. He looks at the world in terms of what is most likely to generate jobs for American workers. That is the driving force behind his Presidency. And, eliminating the employer mandate and the healthcare tax on investments for those making over $259,000 both strengthen job creation. At the same time, reducing the number of people who have insurance does nothing to advance his agenda and creates needless political turmoil for him. Just as he backed the ridiculous universal paid leave for mothers, following delivery, something that will have to be applied to fathers as well, for political purposes, he will back universal access to health insurance.

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    • Howie says:

      Cue the Congressional Conga Line….

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    • cozette says:

      Mac maybe you should read Sundance’s articles on this before you comment so you would understand how uninformed you are. Everybody else knows.

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    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      The dirty little secret is that it was not a “clean” repeal bill in 2015. It did not completely repeal the law. Jordan and others keep saying that, but it is not true.

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  32. Publius2016 says:

    Ryancare is a gambit to get the Dems to share responsibility with the outcome. Either the RINOs and Nevertrumpers work with the Dems or they work with Rand and Freedom Caucus. People say President Trump is a novice but they don’t understand that this is about MAGA! If the Dems start working together, America will take off like a rocket. If we move to more free market/less regulation environment, America will take off like a rocket. At the end of the day, people will be taken care off by real people doing God’s work.

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  33. Does anyone know if the new bill will put an end to the 500 million dollars a year that is taken out of medicare to provide health care to others? That and the death panels are my main interest as I am already on medicare….

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  34. Howie says:

    I still think the Uniparty is doing the Hokie Pokie to avoid doing a real budget. The dithering is off the chart.

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  35. Archie says:

    I think we are seeing the ill effects of decades of ‘blow it up’ mentality peddled by talk radio and Fox News. I expect politicians to act like politicians. It is their JOB after all. When a politician says ‘I don’t care’ he should probably just resign.

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  36. Bubba says:

    Trump & congress knows that it’ll be impossible to get a satisfactory repeal/replace bill through congress in this environment. They also know that they need to do something in order to keep their campaign promises (and not allow Obamacare to implode and hurt people). So, they devised the 3 step process.

    Here’s my theory:

    Step 1, the Ryan bill, is a bridge to the 2018 election. It was designed to mirror Obamacare’s language so Price could deregulate targeted provisions to make it work better (step 2). There’s also language in Ryan’s bill that gives Price more (publicly unknown) latitude with interpreting key provisions in the Ryan bill. That’s why Trump, Price are supporting this. That’s why nobody in congress has been able to read the bill and provide more details beyond what Ryan has presented. That’s why it’s a binary choice. They don’t wan’t to discuss other options and muck up their strategy because they know it’s fruitless to try to pass a conservative, patient centered, free market solution in this environment. Step 3 will be for theater (maybe a narrow bill or two will get passed). However, the real step 3 will be after the 2018 election. If the economy improves, health care is better than it is now, tax reform has passed, the wall is under construction, etc., then more Repubs should get elected to congress in 2018. Trump will then be in a stronger position to pass something terrific and permanent.

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  37. My idea of a health care bill:

    1. If you make less than a set amount you have Medicaid
    2. If you make a set amount between such and such you have Medicaid with a co-pay, co-pays can depend on what you make
    3. If you make over a set amount you buy your own insurance
    a. Certain dollar amounts can be deducted on Income Tax Return
    4. Insurance can be sold across state lines
    5. Parental insurance will cover adult children to age 26 if they live with the parents or are going to school
    6. Pre-existing conditions should be covered
    7. When you die your Social Security number, Medicaid number, Medicare number will be cancelled not to be used again
    8. Illegals MUST pay for all medical care – get a loan and go into debt like citizens have to do
    a. No free Medicaid for illegals
    b. No taxpayer-funded benefits for illegals
    c. END BIRTHRITE CITIZNSHIP!
    i. In 2010, “there were 4.5 million U.S.-born children whose parents were illegal
    ii. Eight percent of all U.S. births (approximately 350,000 a year) come from at least one illegal-alien parent

    How much of the 2600 pages of ObamaCare are ya’ll planning to keep? I did read the whole bill and there are things in there pertaining to playground and even the type of vehicle you drive and the number of miles you drive. If you have your child in Headstart, case workers can come into your home at any time of the day or night to see what manners you are teaching your children or what you are actually teaching your children. Simple is the best. But ending Birthright Citizenship should be a major part in any health care bill.

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  38. Howie says:

    No matter what plan they cobble together poor people will not be able to pay in to it. That is a given fact. There must be free healthcare for a lot of people. Take it from there. That is the conclusion. Work it back. How free should it be?

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  39. spaulj67 says:

    Trump should say he will veto any bill that the Congress exempts itself from. If it’s not good enough for Congress it’s not good enough for the people the represent.

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  40. Hollywood Bungalow says:

    Finally got to listen to Jordan on Fox this afternoon. He’s an empty suit on three counts: he has no plan past repeal. Wallace gave him opportunities and he punted every time. He’s in the house but feels like he can tell those in the Senate what to do, and three, he fails to understand that he doesn’t have the votes.

    The Dems only enacted Obamacare with 60 votes. We are not going to terminate Obamacare with just 52 in the senate. At some point reality needs to set in with these clowns.

    So the only game in town is the Ryan plan and that is why Trump supports it. He’s a businessman so he’s not going to spend time on something that cannot pass. i.e. is a waste of time and political capital. Like it or not, let’s try to get 80% of what we want and move on to tax reform. If we gain more in the senate after the mid-terms then additional enhancements can be made to the plan that passed.

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  41. Help4newmoms says:

    Jordan is correct. For Wallace to claim that Jordan is obstructionist to oppose Ryancare is nonsense. Why not call murkowski and Collins obstructionists for refusing to vote for the 51 vote repeal by reconciliation. Jordan is standing for conservatism. Ryan is trying to appease the moderate republicans and Hilary voters.

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    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      Trump and Pence are not conservatives? Jordan stands for himself, period. If he really cared about the country, he would not have a take it or leave it attitude. He would be willing to negotiate a compromise for the best possible outcome.

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  42. WeThePeople2016 says:

    “Finally got to listen to Jordan on Fox this afternoon. He’s an empty suit on three counts: he has no plan past repeal. Wallace gave him opportunities and he punted every time. He’s in the house but feels like he can tell those in the Senate what to do, and three, he fails to understand that he doesn’t have the votes.”

    Bingo!! I have been posting that Meadows and Jordan like to whine all the time but never offer any solutions. I think he knows that the votes aren’t there in the Senate; he is ignoring that and playing ignorant.

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  43. Finalage says:

    These cuckservatives better get their act straight. This better be some WWE stagecraft and not their true positions!

    I will repeat, if they screw Trump on this, they screw themselves! Ultimately, health care is just a budget line item. If they don’t agree with this reform and try to stymie something they said they would do for years and force Trump to drop this reform (which I seriously doubt he will allow) then Trump is free to work with the Dems to get his agenda through. That will mean no tax cut for the corporations, Medicare for those who don’t get their insurance through work and renegotiated drugs. And you know what? I would support him on that and vote the GOP out of office in 2018 lock, stock and barrel! I’m sick of these holier than thou conservatives that can’t do anything but bellyache! Fools!

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  44. IfThenElse says:

    I understand the problem with the nuclear option. However the argument seems to be that if we use it, then the Dems can use it later to our detriment when they gain a simple majority.
    But, what keeps them from using the “nuclear option” anyway?
    If we can do it now, they can do it then whether we do it now or not.
    ?????????????????????????

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    • Finalage says:

      There would be hell to pay if they used it. Remember they had 60 votes in the Senate 6 years ago, now they are an abject minority party.

      “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”

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    • Rick says:

      Exactly. Another position that is counting on the Democrats following our good example when they return to power is absurd. We have power and a rare moment in history. If we are unwilling to abandon the filibuster rule in the senate, this opportunity is wasted. If, however, we abandon it, we can turn the whole country around and implement things that will make it unlikely the Democrats will regain power for decades. Voter ID laws, immigration enforcement, a 7-2 originalist Supreme Court, returning abortion and homosexual “marriage” to the states…all these things drive a stake into the hearts of the Democrats. And breaking the filibuster will eventually be necessary to get Supreme Court nominees approved, so why not break it now over healthcare?

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  45. Rick says:

    “On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a FULL REPEAL of Obamacare.”
    – Donald J Trump, from the Healthcare Reform page of DonaldTrump.com (now deleted)

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    • CJ says:

      OK but Trump does not control the House and Senate. Mitch and Paul won’t introduce a bill to repeal the ACA. If they did introduce a bill to repeal the ACA and it does not get 50 votes then what?

      The House can propose what ever they want when it gets to the Senate it will be rewritten. To me the simplest way forward is to reintroduce the previous budget reconciliation bill that Obama did not sign. At the same time other bills need to be adopted to allow the “free market” to work.

      Laws restricting the importing of drugs, drug patents, anti trust enforcement against insurance companies and hospitals. All health care facilities should be encouraged to post their prices—it should be clear that there are NO antitrust constraints for doing thiis. Patients should demand access to information. Individually owned policies should receive the same tax treatment as employer-owned policies. Removal of barriers to health care which includes certificate-of-need laws, attempts to regulate direct primary care practices or health sharing organizations. Expand access to Group Plans. Make them available through associations, not just employers. Repeal of antitrust exemptions for the “business of insurance” (McCarran-Ferguson).

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  46. Daniel says:

    The “I don’t care” is irrelevant. If the Democrats take the majority again, they will not respect rules in any shape, form or fashion. They will change them as they see fit and pass laws in the dead of night on holidays. It’s just how they do the things which they know are not in the country’s best interests. Ultimately, it’s time to fight them and beat them at their own game.

    With the Democrats, I feel like we’re the “chumps” who try to work within the rules of traffic to get on or off the freeway while the Democrats are passing us all in the left lane and then cutting us all off by merging in with traffic at the last second.

    When enough people keep doing this, people who follow the law become chumps while the rest get where they are going quicker. They don’t care about the law unless it suits their interests. They ignore it otherwise and QUITE SUCCESSFULLY I might add given how often they absolutely get away with it.

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  47. deh3k says:

    I have to agree with SD. Jordan speaks cheerfully toward blowing up the filibuster. He makes great points, but he also knows he won’t get agreement in the Senate. Lots of good ideas from him in a perfect world, but not this world. If anything it shows that all those repeal bills were window dressing to rev up the base. And that includes Jordan’s words right now.

    Another example of why nothing gets done in Washington, by design. The argument that the Democrats will do it anyway may be true, but that ignores the continuing decline of the Democrat party. That decline would be severe if Trump can implement his ideas. On the other hand, following Jordan’s plan might be the best way to bring a surge of Democrats. All by design?

    Jordan kept saying “Let’s pass the bill we submitted x years ago. Are there really so many grassroots supporters behind the Freedom Caucus now? I think the passion is behind Trump, and it’s really his party now. We will see.

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  48. Dennis Leonard says:

    Here is an idea from American Thinker,I think this is the real plan and we get the 60 vote Senate in 2018

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    March 13, 2017
    How Trump Can Gut Obamacare Without Congress
    By Brian C. Joondeph

    Cancer is a devious and devastating disease. All it takes are a few bad cells to grow uncontrollably, first destroying organs, then an entire person. It can also lie dormant for years after supposedly being cured, then at some moment awaken from its remission slumber to resume its search-and-destroy mission. Even if cancer is controlled, it can still leave its victim in a weakened or debilitated condition, a shadow of its former robust self.

    What if the Affordable Care Act, affectionately known as Obamacare, was unintentionally infected with cancer back in 2010 when it was voted into law? What if the cancer could be reactivated at any time? After all, we had to “pass the bill to find out what’s in it” according to one of its proponents. Surprise, the dormant cancer is already in the law.

    Ideally, cancer is removed from the body entirely. A true cure. For Obamacare, this would mean repealing the bill entirely. Despite campaign promises of repeal, legislatively, this is a nonstarter. This is worth a brief review as many think a simple repeal bill from the House is possible.

    Remember that the Affordable Care Act originated in the U.S. Senate. Thanks to the eventual election of Al Franken after numerous recounts, and the defection of Arlen Specter to the dark side, the Senate had the necessary 60 votes for cloture, shutting down the filibuster. This led to passage of the ACA without any Republican votes, on Dec. 24, 2009. Merry Christmas.

    Enter Scott Brown a month later, eliminating the 60-vote Senate majority. The bill went to the House. If they made any changes to the bill, it would go to House-Senate conference and the resulting new bill would need to be voted on again by the Senate where 59 Democrat votes wouldn’t shut down the inevitable Republican filibuster. So Nancy Pelosi and the House voted on and passed the original Senate bill, without changes, which then wen­­­­­t to President Obama to be signed into law. A very practical compromise by the Democrats to get a bill passed.

    House Democrats still had concerns after being shut out of the debate. A second bill then emerged, called the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010. This new bill dealt with budgetary items only – funding, subsidies, taxes – meaning, it would not be subject to the filibuster based on the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. Only 50 Senate votes would pass the reconciliation bill, which the Democrats had.

    Undoing all of this, like untangling a knot, requires backing up, reversing the process in order. Which is why the current House repeal plan is a reconciliation bill, involving only budgetary items, not needing the 60 votes necessary, and unobtainable in the current Senate, to repeal the actual legislative bill.

    This is not a defense of Paul Ryan and his establishment pals, but those are the rules. Just as three outs are needed to end an inning, not two outs. A straight repeal bill would be filibustered in the Senate and never pass.

    Could President Trump use executive orders to dismantle Obamacare? Perhaps, but lawsuits will follow, thwarting each executive order, as is happening with Trump’s immigration orders. Eventually the Supreme Court would weigh in. After John Roberts twisted himself into a legal pretzel to find Obamacare constitutional, I wouldn’t bet on him having a change of heart if Trump starts swinging a wrecking ball at Obamacare.

    So how can President Trump activate the cancer which is buried within Obamacare? It won’t be a cancer doctor, but close. How about a bone cruncher, an orthopedic surgeon by the name of Tom Price?

    Most don’t remember how “the Secretary” is sprinkled generously throughout the Affordable Care Act. Dormant cancer cells waiting to be activated. For a good summary, read Philip Klein’s excellent piece from 2010 in The American Spectator. When the bill was signed into law, Kathleen Sebelius was “the Secretary” of Health and Human Services. Not so today. Now it’s Dr. Price.

    Within the bill there are 2,500 references to “the Secretary”. 700 times the Secretary “shall” do something, 200 times the Secretary “may” do something, and 139 occasions when the “Secretary determines” what should be done.

    These “shall” and “may” determinations cover things like what type of insurance coverage Americans are required to have, how insurance networks and exchanges are organized, how grant money is doled out, what the “essential health benefits” that every insurance policy must cover are.

    Suppose the new Secretary determines that Americans “shall” only be required to have catastrophic insurance? Or no insurance at all? What if the “essential health benefits” are left to the discretion of the purchaser of the insurance policy? What if the Secretary “determines” that there will be no insurance mandates or penalties? Or that insurance “may” be sold across state lines?

    The Secretary also has discretion over “pilot programs” and “demonstration projects” for controlling costs. These include wellness plans, information technology, quality measures, and national payment for Medicaid. Perhaps throw in tort reform and a rollback of many of the many more onerous regulations strangling the medical profession. The Secretary “may” implement these reforms.

    In reality, the Secretary has the statutory power to infect Obamacare with the cancer of repeal and replace, metastasizing into so many aspects of the law that what emerges is a shadow of the original bill. Repeal and replace from within.

    The downside is the finite tenure of a Republican Secretary of HHS. What Secretary Price “shall” implement can be undone in the future by another Secretary Sebelius. So what? Even if Congress could somehow repeal the entire law, a future Democrat Congress and President could resurrect it, or implement something worse. That’s the cyclical nature of politics but it’s not an excuse for inaction today.

    Let Congress wrangle and debate over the current bill. If their three-part plan works as advertised, Secretary Price can watch from the sidelines. If it stalls, which is quite likely, the orthopedic surgeon can fire up his bone saw and gut Obamacare from within, creating the reform he and the President “shall determine” is best for America.

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