Philando Castile Wallet Positioned Underneath Visible Hand Gun…

Against the backdrop of the Minnesota police chief stating today that Ms. Reynolds claims do not match reality…. and having looked at the video hundreds of times, I’m in agreement with Treeper Nettles who first identified the tri-fold wallet of Philando Castile in the left front pocket of his sweat pants.

Philando Castile - Falcon Heights Police Shooting

When you correct the orientation of the video image (to eliminate mirrored orientation) and then point out the visible location of the hand gun you get this:

mn shooting HANDGUN - WALLET

The wallet was in the left front pocket of his sweat pants (left thigh).  Same proximity as the handgun resting part in his lap and part on his left thigh.

Here’s the original video where officer Jeronimo Yanez clearly says:

“Fuck !  … I told him not to reach for it – I told him to keep his hands off it”…

Look for yourself.  It is all visible, and it all happens in the first minute of Diamond “Lavish” Reynolds live-streamed video.

Looks pretty clear to me.

Philando Castile - Falcon Heights Police Shooting

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When you consider that Officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser pulled over Philando Castile (July 6th) because he matched an armed robbery suspect description (BOLO issued July 5th), and considering Castile had a visible handgun and did not comply with the instructions of Officer Yanez….

Well ?…

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This also explains why the media and family of Philando Castile are not requesting the dash-cam footage being released.   If the Dash-Cam footage were to be released, in conjunction with the visible and forensic evidence, it would exonerate Officer Yanez.

“Fuck !  I told him not to reach for itI told him to keep his hands off it“…

Unfortunately, exoneration of Yanez is exactly the opposite of what the Main Stream Media narrative wants to happen, and what their efforts have been working toward so far. The release of the Dash-Cam would also remove the financial benefit from the lawsuit the Castile family has announced.

The media and Castile family now both have a vested interest in keeping the Dash-Cam video hidden.  They’ll claim it can’t be released because of an “ongoing investigation”.

Trayvon Martin 911 Calls

Trayvon Martin 911 Calls

However, when the activists want evidence released, 911 calls, video, etc. history has shown they don’t accept those investigative arguments and they force the releases (Trayvon Martin, Mike Brown, Freddie Gray, etc).

This time the release would be damaging to them.  They will accept that “ongoing investigation” position in this case because it benefits their claim.

The media are more comfortable selling a ‘Hand’s Up Don’t Shoot” story, and will never NEVER retract their narrative or admit their mistakes.

That’s why the current rating of the American Media ranks lower than Congress.

CNN spent how many hours analyzing an audio recording from the Trayvon Martin shooting, ending up with the word “coons” – which they later retracted, and said “goons” after the narrative was embedded.

Why won’t CNN use their incredible video technology to show the broadcast public the hand-gun in the lap of Philando Castile?  Yeah, odd…

And don’t forget the images the Media sold with the 2012 Trayvon Martin shooting.  Not a single MSM story ever showed what 17-year-old Trayvon Martin really looked like on the night George Zimmerman encountered him:

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Left: Media Image of Trayvon Martin – – Right: Actual Trayvon Martin in 2012

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611 Responses to Philando Castile Wallet Positioned Underneath Visible Hand Gun…

  1. perpetuaofcarthage says:

    I just noticed that in the incident report, a pair of sunglasses were taken as evidence.
    https://bringmethenews.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/20160711-0010-philando-castile-document-st-anthony-police-incedent-report.pdf

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    • rumpole2 says:

      THx
      I hadn’t seen the Incident Report before.

      Two items described as “squad video” (dash cams?)

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      • ccz says:

        Quick Google search seems to return information on trade named video game platform device.

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      • woohoowee says:

        Wonder why the gun and billfold aren’t listed?

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        • rumpole2 says:

          GOOD question!!

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          • woohoowee says:

            Castile’s clothes/shoes aren’t listed, either. Maybe the crime scene wasn’t finished being processed when this incident report was completed?

            Noticed individual statements are redacted from the incident report, too.

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            • Jso Rsa says:

              Supplemental reports, all under the same case number. Typically there is one case number created, One primary report written, and as many supplementals as are needed to document everything pertinent to the case. For more complicated cases with lots of followup work and evidence collected, there can be numerous supplementals eventually included in the case. Whereas a simple case can be one or two pages. a case like this can end up filling one of those big accordion binders, assuming that agency still keeps paper records. I don’t know about in MN, but depending on state law, supplementals may fall under more strict public record law rules as opposed to the main report. If so, the main report would tend to be pretty bare bones, with most of the real investigative work documented in the supplementals.

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          • rumpole2 says:

            My GUESS
            These are evidence items via the reporting officers…. there must be a whole bunch of other stuff from CSI

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            • woohoowee says:

              Good guess 🙂 Hmmmm….I just referred to the shooting scene as the “crime scene.” Must be past bedtime!

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            • deqwik2 says:

              It looks like these things belonged to Lavish & they probably took them from her while she was at the police station. The other stuff was still being processed at the scene & I haven’t heard if the MN State BCA showed up at the scene but they would probably be the ones with all the other evidence.

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              • deqwik2 says:

                Zoom in on pic of them processing car. The lady’s shirt has initials & I can see C A so it would appear that BCA did show up on scene to process it & so they took over at the scene.
                St Anthony’s PD only had 23 officers so they are a small police dept.
                Remember St Louis Co came & took over at the scene during the Ferguson shooting.

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              • rumpole2 says:

                That makes sense.
                If its her phone it may reveal a lot…. could clear up a lot of outstanding crimes. LOL

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    • oldiadguy says:

      Thanks for the link. The one thing that jumped at me was they titled the report an on view “Shots Fired.” I know if is from a small department, but I would have expected it to be titled a “shooting” or a “homicide.” Very strange.

      Take Care

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  2. WSA says:

    Here is what I see. The officer was in a high stress situation and panicked. There was absolutely no reason to shoot the individual multiple times. On top of this the man is dying and he just stands there panicking and cursing instead of rendering any type of first aid. The individual was no longer a threat. It’s called use of force continuum. Police have a difficult job. They have to keep control of their emotions and be able to respond is a high stress situation without flipping out. It’s a sad situation all the way around.

    One thing I don’t understand is the girlfriend acting totally calm and worried about talking into the camera the whole time.

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    • Jaxvillekid says:

      I guess the officer is supposed to ignore the woman right there who could be armed. We have a lot of Monday morning quarterbacks who probably would piss in their pants if faced with a similar situation.

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      • susiepuma says:

        No kidding…..everyone’s an expert until they face a situation like that….split we on decision making…

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      • WSA says:

        No he could have secured the weapon at that point. If you notice, it says “When you consider that Officers Jeronimo Yanez and Joseph Kauser pulled over Philando Castile…”. He wasn’t alone now was he. I’ve been in those situations and walked out of it just fine. You don’t escalate a situation if it doesn’t need to be. As far as Monday morning quarterbacks, everyone posting here is doing the same because the video starts after the shooting is over.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          WSA – your original comment was at 2:57 a.m. Several good points were made questioning your opinions. You continue 4 hours later at 6:57 a.m. insisting only you are correct.

          Why? I have no legal/LEO background whatsoever, and even I question your opinions. Line by line, there is a valid argument to refute your opinion. So again, why?

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        • Theodore says:

          IMO the the weapon would remain where it was for the crime scene investigation. He kept his weapon trained on the vehicle occupants, which is the real threat. Lavish was still a threat at this point.

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          • WSA says:

            Really? How was there a threat? What asinine rubbish.

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            • Theodore says:

              Is there a reason why you are being such a dick? I take it you are current or former LE? How many shootings were you involved in? An Officer can shoot targets all day long and run through every conceivable scenario possible in training, but everyone will react to life/death situations differently. Negative reactions to life/death situations can’t be accessed in a LE hiring process. So spare me the Monday Morning QB B.S.

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            • Bill Webb says:

              I think it was called the gun partially hidden under his shirt and on top of his wallet. How it the cop to know that she won’t drop the phone and pull a gun once he reaches in to secure the weapon. He would have to take his eyes off her and reach into the car. There is no such thing as multi-tasking. Your eyes can only focus on one thing at a time.

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              • Voice of Reason says:

                I saw a photo yesterday that puts truth to his lie about not rendering aid. It showed officers on the ground performing CPR on him.

                I think he’s just a troll…..maybe a kid from a LEO family……knows enough to sound informed but really lacking when it comes to what experience would teach you.

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            • closerlook41 says:

              Castile was still moving in the video and was clearly alive, at least early on in the video that Lavish posted. Incapacitated? Possibly, even likely; but to an officer in that situation, guessing wrong puts him back in harm’s way. Castile still had ready access to the gun if, in fact, he was still able to mount a threat to the officer. The gun was easily accessible to Lavish had she chosen to reach for it.

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      • In a crisis you will fall to the highest level of your training.

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        • oldiadguy says:

          You are over the target. Small department, sergeant acting police chief, with a small or no training budget. Now put one of their officers in a different town or village to patrol with different crime issues that the officer is not trained or experienced to deal with.

          Remember the campus police officer who shot Sam Dubose during a traffic stop. The officer, who normally patrolled the university campus was patrolling the streets of Cincinnati due to a contract between the university and the city. The officer was presented a situation that went beyond his training and experience and made a fatal mistake. The officer was indicted for Murder.

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/07/29/prosecutors-to-announce-conclusion-of-probe-into-cincinnati-campus-police-shooting/?utm_term=.606e8b29aa03

          Whether this may be the case here, time will tell.

          Take care

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          • Pinkie says:

            The confirmed presence of a firearm differentiates this from the Cincinnati case.

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          • Terry Gilmour says:

            And Ray Tensing was acquitted today, the same day Officer Yanez was acquitted.

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            • oldiadguy says:

              “Ray Tensing was acquitted today”

              SMH You are a little light on facts here, the case goes to the jury on Monday.

              “Jurors are expected to begin deliberations following closing arguments set for Monday. ”

              http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ray-tensing-ex-cop-gives-emotional-testimony-in-re-trial-over-traffic-stop-shooting/

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              • jello333 says:

                While I can believe that Yanez had reasonable fear when he fired, I do NOT feel the same about Tensing. I actually think the shooting may have been accidental. I mean that when the guy started to pull away, the cop pointed his gun at him and yelled “stop”, but didn’t actually mean to pull the trigger. But the way Tensing handled the aftermath is what’s gonna send him to prison, IMO. Had he immediately told the other cops “I didn’t mean to shoot!”, and had he NOT filed the false report (about the threat of being run over), then he’d still be in trouble, but it wouldn’t be close to murder. Probably more like negligent homicide or something. But now, he’s likely gonna be convicted of a far more serious charge… oh, and I also think the other two cops who filed false reports should be charged for that.

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  Both cases are unique and yet different. In both cases, I believe the officers made mistakes that cost the life of an innocent person.

                  In Tensing’s case, I suspect it was an unintentional discharge.

                  In Yanez’s case, I suspect that the officer panicked when Castile told him he had a gun and then took inappropriate action that lead to Castile’s death. I would like to have seen the dash cam video. According to the reports I’ve read, Yanez immediately went for and drew his pistol as Castile told the officer he had a gun. The report went onto state that Yanez fired within seconds of drawing his pistol. If this is a true reflection on what is shown on the video that would mean there was no response delay on Yanez’s part. This would indicate that Yanez made the decision to fire as soon as he heard Castile say he had a gun.

                  Also, Yanez did not alert his assist officer that Castile had a gun, who jumped when Yanez shot Castile. Alerting your fellow officer is SOP.

                  There is a lot about this case and trial that bothers me, but this is all I will go into now.

                  Take Care

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                • Pinkie says:

                  I agree with oldiadguy as I usually do.

                  And I have also wondered about the starkly different reaction on this site to the shooting of for Philando Castile and the shooting of LaVoy Finicum.

                  Both of them were licensed to carry firearms. Both of them were validly stopped by law enforcement. Both failed to obey the commands of law enforcement officers on the scene –– Finicum overtly and Castile arguably. And both made moves that the law enforcement officers on the scene perceived as life-threatening. And both tragically lost their lives as a result.

                  And yet the far more questionable conduct of Officer Yanez is praised while be almost punctilious restraint of the Oregon State Police is vilified.

                  Go figure.

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  You can add the facts that Finicum had stated that he wasn’t going allow himself be arrested and openly displayed the fact that he was armed. Finicum also resisted arrest by flight, almost hit LEO’s with his vehicle and was reaching under his jacket in the exact location he normally carried a handgun, when it was evident that he was about be arrested.

                  Yes, go figure, I don’t understand it.

                  Take Care

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  The dash cam video has been released.

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  Since this is an old thread, lets meet and continue the discussion at the bottom of the thread.

                  I’ve posted some more info with a link to the crime scene photos up thread a bit.

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                • jello333 says:

                  Thanks. That’s pretty bizarre. By the sound of his voice, it sure doesn’t seem like Castille is about to go all gangsta on the cop. But by the sound of Yanez’s voice, his words, and his actions, it sure DOES seem that (at least in Yanez’s mind) Castille was about to try to take him out. Could it really be that Castille was so messed up that he was literally grabbing his gun, but NOT to use as a weapon, rather to just hand it over to the cop? And Yanez thinking this is some kind of ploy to “get the drop” on him? This seems like a horrible, tragic case of two people completely misunderstanding the each other. I mean, no matter WHAT Castille was doing with his hands at that moment, why didn’t he just FREEZE? And no matter WHAT Yanez was thinking at that moment, why didn’t he wait just a second longer to see if Castille really WAS gonna grab the gun? (The cop appeared to be in a position where he could have still reacted in plenty of time, if it came to that.)

                  Summary: An example of Murphy’s Law in action.

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  Actually, that is a video of a panicked undertrained or incompetent officer in action. Here are a couple of good links reviewing the video and the trial outcome.

                  https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/execution_by_firing_squad_the_militarized_police_state_opens_fire_short

                  http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448740/philando-castile-verdict-was-miscarriage-justice

                  I would liked to have been present during that trial to see how that video was presented and used. That video properly presented and analyzed should have convicted Yanez.

                  If you are interested, I can break the video down and provide my opinion, when I return this evening.

                  In the mean time, you may look at the Color Code of Situational Alertness, originally developed by Jeff Cooper.

                  Ask yourself what stages was Yanez in during that video?

                  Take Care

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                • oldiadguy says:

                  Here are some of the released crime scene photos.

                  http://kstp.com/news/photo-gallery-philando-castile-shooting-evidence-photos-jeronimo-yanez-trial/4520229/

                  Since this is an old thread, lets meet and continue the discussion at the bottom of the thread.

                  Take Care

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      • Daniel says:

        Why does it need to be pointed out that there were TWO officers. The other officer was covering the woman.

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      • Concerned says:

        That’s an excellent point, Jaxvillekid. The officers would have no idea if Diamond also had a gun on her.

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      Here is what I see. The officer exclaimed “I told him not to reach for it – I told him to keep his hands off it…”

      That is either true or untrue. If true, it means that the officer will be found to have acted reasonably. If not true, then he is in trouble.

      However, here we are over a week after the shooting, and still no indication that investigators have evidence of an obvious lie by the cop. Had there been a blatant contradiction between what was caught on the dashcam recordings and “I told him not to reach for it – I told him to keep his hands off it,” it seems like the officer would have been thrown to the wolves by now.

      We’ll see …

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    • Jso Rsa says:

      “There was absolutely no reason to shoot the individual multiple times” Police are not trained to shoot once, stop and wait to see if that did the trick or not, or to see if the first shot missed, etc., then maybe try another shot, wait again to see what effect it had, if any, or if he’s still trying to kill you, whatever. If so, maybe take another shot, wait, etc. etc. etc. That’s just not the way it works in the real world.

      Speaking of the real world, I don’t know how many times in your life you thought someone was reaching for a gun and you shot them, and maybe you were as cool as a cucumber in that situation, but not everyone is as cool as you or Dirty Harry with prepared, pop culture catchphrase lines in that situation. It’s not unusual for real human beings to get what’s called an adrenalin dump in life or death, fight or flight situations, and some may even become a bit emotional when they realize they just had to shoot someone. It’s possible that actually being in that situation may be a bit different than sitting safely at a computer and commenting in theory. Whether Castile was or was not still a threat at that point, there was another adult in the car of unknown intentions and state of armament who had to be secured prior to turning their backs on her. As was reported by several sources on Wednesday, the officers did render aid after the shooting.

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      • WSA says:

        It’s not unusual for real human beings to get what’s called an adrenalin dump in life or death, fight or flight situations, and some may even become a bit emotional when they realize they just had to shoot someone.

        You’re right it’s not, but that is why not everyone should be in law enforcement.

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        • Gary says:

          I agree, we need individuals with the intestinal fortitude to put a bullet in a perps head then go out for pizza. Works for me, thanks for clearing that up.

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        • Batman says:

          How do they know that until they have shot someone? Isn’t it true that most policemen never shoot someone? So how would you know?

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        • Are you saying only soulless automatons or cold-blooded sociopaths should be cops?

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          • Jso Rsa says:

            ^^^ This^^^ Adrenalin dump is a critical survival mechanism built into almost every animal species on Earth. It’s there to save your life. Read some accounts by people who got into a situation where they seriously had to fight for their life, possibly while being critically injured, and note how many of them (the ones who survived) describe a sudden surge of strength, the lessening of their pain, and the will to fight and to not just give up and die. Do we really want police officers to not be human? To not have a natural mechanism to help them survive or to save someone’s life? That’s just bizarre. Too many people live in a protected, naive world, and form their opinions about reality based on nothing but TV, movies, “feelings”, and pure fantasy.

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        • Jso Rsa says:

          There’s so much wrong with that statement it’s hard to know where to begin. Do yourself a favor and get some education on the subject. Take a comprehensive survival course including the physiology of survival, then come back and have the discussion.

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          • WSA says:

            First of all, I have taken those courses and have education on the subject. You can begin by realizing you are simply talking sh*t. You all are acting like they are enemy combatants. BLM is a racist BS organization, but not every shooting is justified. The problem is you don’t know what happened and everyone here is just speculating and giving an opinion. We don’t see what happened prior to the actual shooting or what led up to it. I hope everything works out for the officer. He was certainly shook up over it screaming *F%#@” every five seconds. The police force is not a branch of the military. I’m just trying to point out these are civilians and not the enemy. If the passenger was reaching for his weapon, he deserved to be shot. I don’t know. You don’t know. We were not there, but this BS childish commenting on how he deserved to die blah blah blah is stupid and asinine.

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    • James F says:

      Here is what I see. Castile was in a high stress situation, likely intoxicated and reached for a weapon that he failed to inform the officer about right away. Upon seeing the firearm the officer immediatelt ordere him to stop reaching for it. Castile failed to comply and the officer, facing a lethal threat, fired to ensure his sadety.

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      • WSA says:

        I’m not disputing that. I just gave my opinion on what we see and hear in the video. The video starts after the shooting. Everyone here is just speculating.

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      • dmi60ex says:

        James F
        My thoughts exactly ,Philando realized a gun and weed together meant time away .
        I think he panicked and was trying to hide it . Drugs ,gun ,and I bet Miss Diamond was putting in her two cents.
        As a man who has dated several black women and married one , I can say you do not want to get pulled over with them in the car .
        I bet she was running that yap the whole time.

        My thoughts on the few tiballingmes I got pulled over was ,”This b is gonna get me arrested.
        I wonder if his last thought was ” This b is gonna get me killed.

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    • David Splehp says:

      That’s not how it works at all. When you shoot…..you aren’t shooting to incapacitate….you are shooting to kill….end of story. You aren’t pausing after every shot for a second to see if the person is incapacitated or not. You haven’t been in law enforcement or the military apparently so I can understand this misunderstanding a bit. You can hit a person 10 times at 5 feet and they are still alive for the next few seconds to kill you. And from any study or peer reviewed journal that has considered reaction times, the viability of shooting to injure, etc……….the plausibility of shooting to wound is ridiculous. 4 shots is at the very low end of reasonable. It is not the officers job to render first aid. It is their job to secure the area and wait for enough backup to render first aid…..which is exactly what happened. He was obviously upset about shooting the person but from what is shown this guy followed procedure to the letter.

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      • WSA says:

        I’ve been in both moron. Law enforcement is not the military.

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        • Daniel says:

          Good. Then you know why one uses hollow points and the other does not and that police are trained to shoot until they stop, not if you wound them. There have been times when police have lost their lives even after a suspect was shot numerous times because it sometimes takes many shots to neutralize the threat.

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        • Bill Webb says:

          I have never been through lethal force and ambush training… The same very experienced contract specialists, who, trained us at Dept. of State for overseas deployment, trained both Law Enforcement and Military. They have, in the case of the course we went through, trainers with vast real world experience.

          I have been through break contact with the enemy drills rolling over in HumVee’s coming out shooting in the confusion of smoke and noise. You can think you are prepared all day long, until… Your limbic brain will take over. That is why cops are trained to react and react quickly. You don’t have time to think. If you hesitate you will wind up dead. Philandro knew the drill if he had a concealed carry. Instead he had his gun partially concealed in a ready position on top of his wallet. Pictures show it. Period.

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      • WSA says:

        By the way, he had backup if you read the story above. Where was he at? Was their some invisible army in the back seat we didn’t see in the video? He couldn’t have secured the driver? Was she frantic? Was she threatening? No she wasn’t. Civilians are not an enemy force.

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        • stobberdobber says:

          WSA says:
          July 14, 2016 at 7:08 am By the way, he had backup if you read the story above. Where was he at? Was their some invisible army in the back seat we didn’t see in the video? He couldn’t have secured the driver? Was she frantic? Was she threatening? No she wasn’t. Civilians are not an enemy force.

          A couple of things-wasn’t SOMEONE in charge of that little girl during the video? Maybe it was the other officer. Wasn’t the first officer covering the suspect and his girlfriend until more officers got there? No she didn’t appear frantic or threatening , but the weapon WAS in easy reach for her if she was so inclined.
          If you were in law enforcement I doubt it was as a patrol officer as you can’t seem to see the basics here. Her video started only a minute or so after the shooting. Was that enough time for another squad car to get there? Obviously not since the first officer was still holding his weapon on her. That is basic. I would also note cover a suspect until you have back up is also basic. there is more but it is ALL basic and as a law enforcement officer you would know this.

          I would also note that if your claims are true you should not be there and never should have been because what you said are things only a MORON would say.

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        • Daniel says:

          The other officer was trained on the woman.

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        • Sandra says:

          Was she frantic? Was she threatening? No she wasn’t.

          We do not know what Philando and Diamond did prior to the shooting. The police know, but we don’t. We only know what happened AFTER the shooting. It’s possible that Philando and Diamond were very uncooperative. I’m actually surprised, WSA, that you assume they were cooperative when you have no idea.

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      • Cops are supposed to shoot to stop a threat, and for no other reason. Whether they kill or not is incidental. The same goes for self-defense shooting by civilians.

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    • Wow. You are an expert on confronting armed subjects who are suspected of arm robbery ?
      Your talents are wasted by just offering your expert opinions. We need you on the front lines. “You” could be the difference.

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    • coltlending says:

      We’re all Monday morning quarterbacking I suppose.

      If you’re that man named Alton or the guy in MN you do exactly what the officer tells you.

      ESPECIALLY if you have a GUN on tour person.

      You KEEP your hands where the officer can SEE them and you DON’T move them until you are told to do so.

      You DON’T wrestle with an officer — ever –ESPECIALLY if you HAVE a gun in your waistband.

      If you do and you’re shot and killed by the officer, the officer is justified in my mind.

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    • Sandra says:

      If a person in a car reaches for a gun, he/she is going to be shot by the police officer. Period. And it should be that way. When you get pulled over, DO NOT REACH FOR YOUR GUN. Do not reach for anything near your gun. It’s really very very simple. We have enough cases of police officers being shot by people they have pulled over to know that it’s a real danger.

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      • Tom K says:

        You are correct, and about 10 miles and a year earlier, from the very spot where castile was shot, officer Patrick of the mendota heights mn police department took a bullet to the head immediately following what he thought was a routine traffic stop. Officer Patrick now has a memorial highway. I wonder if officer Yanez attended his funeral?

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    • Batman says:

      Do we know for a fact how many times he was shot? Was he only shot in the arm?

      How, in that situation, does an officer know he doesn’t have a fatal attraction bathtub person on his hands, that could pop up and shoot? It seems after a shooting an armed suspect, they would be prudent to keep the gun on them for a while? Until they have back up? I am just using common sense. I don’t know.

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      • Concerned says:

        I don’t think we know yet how many times he was shot. Diamond has been inconsistent, sometimes she says 3, sometimes 4, sometimes 5. I don’t think any officially released info has contained the information.

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        • Concerned says:

          Also, I think there were two officers with their guns pointed at Philando and Diamond, and if either of them moved or reached for the gun they probably would have been shot.

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    • Of course there was no need to shoot Philando at all! You weren’t in the slightest danger of him shooting you, were you?

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    • Strike1 says:

      WSA
      Panicked? Really? You have ZERO credibility on the CTH now. Please leave this site…… because we all know now that you are not a aware of what you are saying.
      That is just ridiculous that you would think he panicked. The officer is 3 to 4 feet away from a man with a gun. What do you really think the officer should ask him?
      “Hey why do you have a gun on your lap? (…or in your hand? …..or reaching for it?)”
      “You know it’s not really a good idea to keep a gun on your lap when you get pulled over by police!” “You should really have your passenger put that in the glove box, when you new you were being pulled over”
      “Okay? So what are you going to do with that gun?”
      This office had less then a second to dicide if he was going to be shot or killed.
      Your statement gives zero responsibility to Philando. (Just like 99% of all these shootings…..total brain dead decisions made by these men)
      It’s called common sense! (Something you are missing as well)
      Philando might have had a permit..and if he did he new better then to display the gun like he did. (Like he is some bad **s or something) They teach you this, in the class he possibly took.

      With that said! If he did have a permit to carry? He did not have at the time of the incident. Why?
      1) He did not report within 30 days that he moved. If you don’t report your permit is revoked.
      2) If you engage in illegal drugs. Your permit is revoked. (We have all watched him smoking a blunt on video)
      I am sad that we have people like you voting. No sense at all just what your mind decided is fact.

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    • Lindsey G says:

      The Police Cheif in a neighboring county has debunked this theory, as his officers, as well as, St. Anthony officers, began rederring aid 3 minutes after this occurred. The Police Cheif spoke to CNN about this because the Mayor of Minnesota claimed “no one rendered aid,” which is false, because documented photos show the administration of CPR.

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  3. sammyhains says:

    I absolutely blame the Police Department here.
    They are directly responsible for the attacks on police officers across the country.
    They COULD clear this up by releasing the information publicly.
    Their silence = BLM violence.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension took over the case. Basically this police dept doesn’t have the evidence & is probably under orders from the DOJ & state of MN as to what they can say or do until investigation is complete.
      It is a mistake to withhold the information & that’s the same mistake Missouri made on the Ferguson case but the DOJ was involved & got mad at the Chief for releasing the store video of Brown grabbing the store manager. Obama’s DOJ likes seeing the cops look bad as long as possible.

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      • Jason says:

        he drug out the ‘investigation’ of Darren Wilson for 7 month… 3-4 months after grand jury had decided not to indict. An extra 3-4 months for civilians to reach conclusion… without a single piece of new evidence submitted during that timeframe.

        And what did Obama say after the DOJ/FBI concuded there was not 1… NOT ONE single credible witness who stated Mike Brown had his hands up? “we may never really know what happened in Ferguson”. Believe he had a few other comments as well (I vividly recall statement that he felt it was likely a very close call not to prosecute but can’t find story on it atm)

        DOJ’s silence/abetting narrative = Obama’s ‘acting stupidly’ on police action = BLM violence.

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        • Jason says:

          DOJ, CRS and ACLU were also all openly threatening police from cracking down on the ‘peaceful’ protests and although will never be confirmed, it’s pretty clear he was involved in the governor’s decision to keeps the national guard out of Ferguson when the plan all along was for them to assist the police in preventing anything from getting out of hand. (ie, gov was out of reach for everyone in STL the night of riots, but apparently was in communication with Jarrett during the night).

          Police have their hands tied, first and foremost they need to protect integrity of the investigation, the rest is to fight gaslighting against groups who buy their ink by the boatload

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        • clash108 says:

          Contrast that with what Obama implied in this case: The stop was racially motivated. Seems he knows what exactly happens before, but can’t figure out what happened afterward, even after sending out his minions to dig up dirt on those whom have been criminally cleared.

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          • Jerri Sinefeld says:

            yes. It’s quite interesting that Obama can conclude, with no evidence or facts, that the traffic stop was racially motivated. Yet, when it comes to the Dallas Assassin, the can’t determine his motive, in spite of him saying he wanted to kill white people and that he was upset about the recent police involved shootings. Amazing how stupid this administration, and the MSM for that matter, think we are.

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    • Jso Rsa says:

      I hope you’re just trolling, otherwise you’re expressing opinions and drawing conclusions about something you clearly don’t understand. Your baseless accusations present a perfect example of why they don’t release information until they are required to or unless it would assist the investigation. The police should not and do not try their cases in the media, and they don’t risk compromising an investigation and inviting lawsuits by rushing to release information just to satisfy talking heads, media pundits, agitators, outrage addicts, conspiracy theorists, Monday Morning QBs, and assorted impatient Internet busybodies who are going to believe what they want to believe anyway. Information will not be released until all of the involved agencies are ready to do so. There are numerous agencies up to and including the US DOJ involved in this investigation, with legions of investigators, detectives, supervisors, and attorneys making sure all the bases are covered, with countless other attorneys and self-appointed experts outside the investigation just waiting for them to make a mistake.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Well said again 🙂

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      • sammyhains says:

        The bottom line is, the longer they withhold the dashcam video and other evidence which paints a clear picture for the public, the more cops will die. What’s more important?

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        • rumpole2 says:

          APPEASEMENT does not work!!
          It is “wishful thinking” to imagine that getting “facts” out there will change ANYTHING to do with the BLM mindset now. And the investigation does require to be COMPLETE and not selectively leaked, prematurely and perhaps erroneously.
          FACTS and even multiple inquiries by police and DOJ have NOT changed the BLM Lynch mob mindset in regards Ferguson or any other case. The Freddie Gray lynch mob on twitter continue to call for riots and “a day of action” even though the 6 officers are charged and still in the judicial process as was initially demanded. The Lynch Mob is not abating despite those officers being exonerated (so far)

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          • sammyhains says:

            This isn’t “appeasement”!
            This is about shutting down the BLM LIES AND PROPAGANDA that are running rampant and unchallenged in the media.

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            • stobberdobber says:

              sammyhains says:
              July 14, 2016 at 5:38 am
              This isn’t “appeasement”!
              This is about shutting down the BLM LIES AND PROPAGANDA that are running rampant and unchallenged in the media.

              It is appeasement though because BLM is going to lie anyway and the people they reach don’t care about the facts anyway. The POTUS and BLM have already laid the groundwork years ago and the public only wishes to believe the sensational lies anyway. They want it said and over quickly so they can move to the next one.

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        • sDee says:

          For Community Organizers, all that matters are the threats, violence and bloodshed. That is how they get what they want from a fearful public and business community. The role of the media is to ensure there is never a clear picture.

          Now we know why Obama said his claim to the White House was being a Community Organizer.

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        • Theodore says:

          The Media, along with Lavish, has already set the narrative. Releasing evidence prematurely isn’t going to change the minds of the BLM mob. Their minds are made up. For example, I have a FB friend whose nephew still firmly believes that it wasn’t Michael Brown in the store committing the strong armed robbery because you can;t see his face. Never mind their is a clear shot of Dorian’s face, MB wearing the same clothes,sandals, is the same Ht/Wt, etc
          Also, I remember this little gem when they 1st released the MB strong armed robbery photos, afterwards the video came out.

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          • sammyhains says:

            It’s not about changing the minds of the BLM mob. Right now, public sentiment IS ON THEIR SIDE. And the department “brass” are letting it simmer because they’re overly cautious, over-lawyered process-oriented PC department officials who cater to the politicians all day long. It’s the cops on the street who are paying the price. If you think you’re helping the officers in uniform, you’re wrong.

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        • Batman says:

          That’s the, “Islamic terrorists kill us because of what we do and say argument.” Or, “Rapists rape because ladies’ skirts are too short.” No they don’t. They kill us because that’s their religion. Rapists rape because they are rapists.

          What you don’t understand about BLM and cop killing is it is a political terrorist movement. It has nothing to do with black men being shot by police officers. That’s just an excuse to grab for political power, to disempower police, and to get revenge on the white community.

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          • sammyhains says:

            You’re just plain stupid. The cops are LOSING the hearts and minds of the public more and more every day they let these accusations go unanswered. This is about turning around the PR battle for public sentiment, which currently they are losing BAD. To think otherwise is to live in total and complete denial.

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      • sammyhains says:

        This overly cautious approach is for the benefit of prosecution and not compromising an ongoing investigation. But the perp is DEAD. Saving Blue lives is more important than prosecuting a dead thug.

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        • coeurdaleneman says:

          In actuality, there are other important considerations. For example, the ongoing investigation might prove to implicate the cop, and result in serious charges for him. For all we know, a grand jury might be in the works. Releasing the videos might pollute the testimony of potential witnesses, both police and the general public.

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          • Jso Rsa says:

            Stop bringing logic and reality into this. 🙂 People are going to think what they want to think regardless. Mark my words, even when the dash cam footage and is released, and even if it’s completely consistent with the officer’s version of events and completely exonerates the officer, you will hear the predictable accusations of “coverup”, video editing, manipulation of the evidence, conspiracy, etc. Their agenda is based on emotion and political power, not evidence and fact.

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    • susiepuma says:

      Really????? And are you a police officer or member of the law enforcement community? If not I would suggest that you shut your mouth. …..

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      • susiepuma says:

        My comment is directed to the Sammy something or other.

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      • sammyhains says:

        Look, this is a bureaucracy thing. It is an institutional response for them to want to hold back information from the public. Releasing information could jeopardize prosecution, tip off other suspects, attract criticism from the media and politicians, etc.

        So they stay mum “during an ongoing investigation.”

        But this kind of institutional inertia on the part of bureaucrats within the department “just following procedure” is leading to the assault on police officers across the country.

        Prosecution of a guy that is dead is less important than waging an aggressive PR battle NOW.

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    • Pinkie says:

      Good point — if there is such information. For example, I think the FBI/OSP did the right thing to release the LaVoy Finicum video early on. Another guy clearly reaching for his gun

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  4. Bernard Phillips says:

    The “gun” looks more like an iPhone, you can see the straight edge and it’s about 1/4 inch thick

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  5. Karina says:

    I also thought the bulge best fits being a wallet. A mobil would look more “square/flat” (no rounded edges). If it is, Lavish is lying about one major point. She says in her first interview that he was reaching for his wallet in his RIGHT BACK pocket. If he is wearing sweat pants, they usually do not have back pockets either… The Police could easily check that out (where the wallet was located and if there are back pockets).

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  6. Larry Bates says:

    This Monday morning quarterbacking is becoming a diversion from the important events of the day. It is also stoking the fires of racial hatred in a way that is highly discrediting to the conservative cause. The focus now should be on winning the next election. That will open the door to more rational consideration of many issues.

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    • amwick says:

      Yes, but this thread is a discussion of the Castile incident. There is another thread for the election. There is give and take, ideas are proposed, opinions are opined.
      I was going to mention that sitting in a car with a pistol in your pocket is really uncomfortable, if not impossible.

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    • Sandra says:

      I think this latest BGI attempt to destroy a police officer is an important event.

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  7. Motorcity77 says:

    Anyone think Philando Castile & Lavish Diamond was part of that convenience store robbery? I read the K9 sniffed out the perps until a apartment complex. I read in an article they were interviewing the sister and Philando was gonna get her some Taco bell but Philando went and got groceries and went back to his apartment to pick up his GF ….Anyone pick up on that?

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    • Voice of Reason says:

      I do. I saw a report that Newport cigs were taken. When Diamond was out BSing the media the next day she had a pack of Newports in her mitts. I also read those same cigs had tax stamps matching lose stolen in the robbery.

      I’m waaaaay too cynical to believe in that much coincidence.

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  8. Ez says:

    Wow, there is no case here. He was clearly reaching for his gun. Concealed to carry permit or not, does not matter, and it remains to be seen if he actually had one.

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  9. Angry Dumbo says:

    It bears repeating to all who will hear, The real story here is the withholding of the dash cam video. If the dash cam video is released, unedited, the contractions in the stories would disappear. Of course, the controversy has to remain if Hillary is to stir up enough trouble in the black community to get blacks to vote for her at the level that they voted for President Obama.

    The story here is the withholding of the dash cam footage!

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    • amwick says:

      I would have to guess that a dash cam video would include audio? So the whole dialogue would be available. There is so much going on that is hard to understand. SD has said so often that the truth has no agenda, which, I suppose includes a strict time table.

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      • Bill Webb says:

        I’m waiting to hear Officer Yanez say on the dash cam audio/video say: “Don’t reach for it!”

        Why have we had to wait this long while America destroys itself? The agenda is clear.

        The Police Dept. no matter what is said or not said in that video needs to release it if there is audio despite State or Federal Intervention for an agenda.

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        • amwick says:

          I was wondering the same thing. But then I thought that perhaps they are doing everything possible to make sure that LEO Yanez is in the clear, that there isn’t anything that could cause trouble. They are using an abundance of caution. Hard to understand I agree. The awful part is that because of MSM the protests and violence would happen anyway. $.02

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    • hmmmm says:

      While I believe enough evidence exists to exonerate the officer (because he’s still walking around a free man), I’m not sure if the dashcam will placate the mob. For one, they think the Mike Brown video was photoshopped, so nothing is going to convince them. For another, I don’t believe the dashcam would show what Philando is reaching for.

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  10. Jill says:

    Another gentle giant myth…

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    • Sandra says:

      Are you kidding me??? I have not even done any reading at all about the Alton Sterling incident, I can’t handle Philando Castile and Alton Sterling at the same time. I only read/heard a few things that led me to believe that the Sterling incident would be no different than all of the prior BGI circuses. This photo is so telling. POS from the ‘hood, I am not surprised, it’s bad enough that he was living his POS life but he was also influencing another generation and turning that generation into a POS too.

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    • VegasGuy says:

      Nothing like raising a child to follow in your footsteps & instilling proper “ethics” or should that be “ethnics”?

      Two words so close in spelling yet so far apart in reality….

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    • That doesn’t look like him.

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    • dmi60ex says:

      Do they realize that if you hold it sideways you can pit a shell casing in your eye,
      Learned that the hard way about 20 years ago when I say it on a movie
      Put a bad scratch on my lenses and it was just a 22 ruger
      Someone should tell the son
      You’ll shoot your eye out kid

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  11. lepanto says:

    In the armed robbery of the Super USA convenience store, the evidence points to Phllando as suspect USA-2; Diamond/Lavish as the owner/driver of the getaway car, and as the chain-smoker and peddler of the stolen Newport cigarettes. The other suspect, USA-1 is probably in the extensive archives of photography and videography in Diamond/Lavish’s social media. Who are the leading candidates for USA-1 at this point?

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  12. Al from Big Bear says:

    So the gun is partly visible near his leg in the video . Then it is on the ground outside the car in the crime scene photo. How did the gun get from one place to the other?

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  13. MzMaryMac says:

    OT – Can someone explain how to post a picture on here?

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  14. VegasGuy says:

    Does anyone aside from me find it odd that the dispatch, enroute, arrival times for the Police & the start of Diamond’s video are all 9:06 PM?

    That seems to indicate, IMO anyway, that actions happened quick….REALLY quick, as in the instant the PO got to the driver window…..

    There could not have been very much speaking interaction, as Diamond narrates there was. Just doesn’t seem possible within the time frame, if those times are accurate.

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    • patrickhenryrevisited says:

      103 seconds is what has been widely reported.

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      • VegasGuy says:

        Are those “reports” of 103 seconds based on Diamond’s version of the events based on her interviews?

        Still seems that events progressed rather quickly.

        Starting to wonder if maybe Diamond began fumbling with the phone & continous chatter with the PO (as related by her), was a diversion to allow Phil to access (or maybe hide?) the weapon but the PO was too focused on Phil? Without Dash Cam audio/video we don’t know what, if any, commands were issued to her regarding handling the phone.

        Considering the few seconds needed to set up the phone to record & to access the internet connection to FaceBook, that might coincide more closely with why the video appears to begins just seconds after the shots.

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    • clo says:

      My sense is that it all happened very fast, with cross-talk.

      In other words, cop says “do you know why I pulled you over /broken tail light” (pretext for stop)

      asks for license & reg,

      Philando starts reaching & at the exact same time says, I have a gun; gf immediately says “He has a permit…” at the exact same time cop says “Don’t reach for..”

      Who heard what & in what order, in a super-fast, incredibly stressful situation like that, may never be possible to sort out. Dashcam audio may show the objective order, but how it was subjectively taken in by all of the participants we can’t know.

      The valid gun license has been released to media today by the family.

      So it’s going to come down to the cop’s reasonable or not assessment of danger. Obviously the fact he stopped Castile bc of possible match to robbery suspect means his frame of mind was very diff than a plain tail-light stop, and the mention of “gun” had a different valence.

      Finally, there may be an issue about the stop and approach itself, as in could this situation have been averted if the cop had followed procedures for a felony stop, and whether that would have been protocol.

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      • Jerri Sinefeld says:

        If those officers had conducted a felony stop, and it turned out that Castile had nothing to do with it, especialy with a child in the car (all occupants would be told to get out of the car, children also) could you imagine the racism accusations that would cause? The officer noted that they “looked” like the suspects. I think he was trying to give the situation the benefit of the doubt. A wide set nose, I don’t think, warrants a traffic stop, but not a felony stop.

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        • VegasGuy says:

          Considering the very brief time frame of the incident, & the fact that the child was already taken out of the car prior to the shooting, it tends to appear more of a “felony” procedure stop than a normal “traffic” stop IMO.

          Need the Dash Cam info to really be sure one way or the other, but immediately removing the child certainly indicates a higher degree of danger present at the instant of approach than a standard traffic stop with request for ID / reg/ ins, would involve.

          That action would also put the driver/passenger on higher alert & perhaps escalate tension of the severity of the stop.

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          • cybering says:

            Since we’re all going on record here about things we can’t yet know for sure, here are things I think we’ll learn:

            — the child was in the car during the shooting, only removed after

            — the officer believed Philandro might have been reaching for the gun

            — felony stop protocol was not followed, but the department will say the situation didn’t warrant it. They will later issue a statement after the investigation is public saying they are reviewing their traffic stop procedures

            — Philandro will not turn out to have been involved in the robbery

            — There will be some lingering question, even after all is revealed, as to whether he stored the gun in the car properly or followed carry-license best practices in terms of how to inform officer he had a gun and where

            — It will be ruled justified, although tragic.

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            • Voice of Reason says:

              “— Philandro will not turn out to have been involved in the robbery”

              Not sure I can go there with you. I read day before yesterday that the locals had tied tax stamp marking on cigs in Diamond’s possession to those taken in the robbery. Could be coincidence but I’m betting likely not. The robbery was less than 3 miles up the same road from the stop. I also read that there was weed in the car. Sounds like maybe they just got back from getting some smoke.

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              • cybering says:

                can you point me to a source on the cigarette matching? all I saw was a comment speculating such on this board; no actual law enforcement info

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          • deqwik2 says:

            I know Lavish lies but one thing she has been consistent with is that the child was in the car when the shots were fired. She would have spun a much bigger conspiracy story if the child was removed before the shooting. I can hear it now .. the pulled him over to murder him because they removed the child before they killed him.

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      • “Finally there may be an issue about the stop and approach itself”

        https://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/8529241-Conducting-a-felony-traffic-stop-5-tips-for-a-safe-arrest/

        He should have waited for backup according to this.

        Not blaming the officer, however if he made a dispatch call about checking a car with armed robbery suspect inside, this as you say could be a issue. Doesn’t relate to the shooting though. What happened there is another matter.

        Maybe he just wanted to get a closer look first before calling for backup. Is that reasonable in this stop. Is it really correct procedure, to the book with a suspect who committed armed robbery. An internal issue. The footage and audio from all sources will answer if the officer operated by procedure and reason when at the window and approaching and talking to the driver.

        .

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      • amwick says:

        The license was issue May of 2015. It may or may not have been valid, depending on Philando’s legal address. Also, if you have weed, you are not legal to have a pistol, or something like that. If there was weed in the car, then he was not legal. But permit or not, it doesn’t much change what happened, the way I see it.

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      • hmmmm says:

        It’s already been theorized that if Castile had a permit in the past, it was currently no longer valid, due to a combination of weed in the car, his possibly suspended license, and a change of address. Whether he did or didn’t is irrelevant, though.

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      • Considering all the gaslighting Diamond/Lavish was doing after the shooting, it wouldn’t surprise me she was doing all she could to disorient the cops and hide whatever crimes they were up to before the shooting.

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        • I guess “gaslighting” is maybe not the best term. “Bullshitting” is better, but it WAS being done while Yanez was agitated and distraught, and Reynolds was cold as ice, so that’s why I thought of gaslighting.

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      • Jso Rsa says:

        I wasn’t there, but it sounds to me like this was what’s known in some agencies as an “FI” stop, which is a common investigative technique in similar situations where the officer sees someone who fits a description from a BOLO, but the officer does not have PC to arrest or detain that subject at a level more intrusive than a typical traffic or “Terry” stop. It’s basically an information gathering stop (F.I. = field interrogation), not a physical arrest situation, and depending on what the officer knew or intended, it would be conducted in a low profile way, if possible. The intent is to make contact, get the ID info on the subject who resembles the suspect on the BOLO without necessarily giving away that underlying reason, and if nothing comes up during the stop that would lead to a physical arrest, kick him loose, write up the info on an FI card (or whatever that agency uses), and forward it to detectives working on the robbery case. That’s a standard patrol investigative technique that’s used every day, and it’s why detectives working on a case will forward a BOLO request to patrol or even come into patrol roll call to brief the uniformed officers on the case they’re working on, what they have so far, and ask for patrol’s help in keeping their eyes open and generating some leads.

        On the other hand, “felony stop” procedures are used in higher level situations where you have strong evidence that IS the felon and you plan on making a physical arrest, or you at least have enough to do an investigative detention where you take them out of the car, cuff and search them, and question them. If you don’t have enough for the arrest, cut them loose, but that’s a much more intrusive way to go about it and you’d better have your ducks in a row and be able to justify doing it that way. You don’t do a felony stop, prone the guy out in the street, and/or cuff and stuff him when your suspicion is at a lower level, such as “He kind of looks like the guy on the BOLO”. If you’re not that sure you have the right guy and you just want to find out who he is without tipping your hand that you suspect him of something more serious, it’s not unusual to get another officer as backup and make a two-officer FI stop.

        Of course you and your backup have to be very careful and extra alert on an FI stop, because if it’s the right guy, he might think you’re stopping him because you already know he’s the guy. The officer would typically be careful to watch his hands, and would probably give him instructions like telling him not to reach for anything without being told to.

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  15. Centinel2012 says:

    Reblogged this on Centinel2012 and commented:

    All that’s required is to delay the release till its old news and the existing story is ingrained into the public psyche that the trught wil not matter just like all the rest of these events.

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  16. burnett044 says:

    Just to compare here is a video of another police fatal shooting and how it is being handled..
    http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article89431417.html

    warning may seem harsh to some …

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  17. georgiafl says:

    After reading all the articles, my best theory is:

    Mr. Castile was high or suffering from diminished capacity due to chronic drug use/thug peers, etc. – He had his gun out and ready as though he was planning to kill the officer.
    If Castile (and Reynolds) were indeed involved in the convenience store robbery, then they were wanted fugitives and knew it. This affected their behavior and inspired Reynolds’ smokescreen/barrage of lies during and after the shooting.

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  18. MzMaryMac says:

    [IMG]http://i63.tinypic.com/33l1cpl.png[/IMG]

    Seeing if this works. I mentioned something like this on another post but I am insanely serious about this. I wish I was better at graphics. But seriously, I feel like sending this to every single BLM enthusiast I know and tell them to put up or shut up.

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  19. screwauger says:

    Not seeing any more put downs and personal attacks by WSA so I hope that means that his personal attacks against others got him the ban hammer. No reason to call people “idiots” “morons” or other terms of endearment. Thanks if I am correct, if not, I am sure I will be called a name in 3,2 1…

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  20. freddy says:

    so here in CA. Kamala Harris is saying if he were white he would not be dead…. This is the only discussion I’m interested in with BLM and black people. Saying stuff like that triggers the kooks and paranoid crack heads and crystal smokers. They start seeing killer cops everywhere and go act out.. There are millions of them. Notice how the Dallas shooter had meth. It’s no joke. So the police in MN. need to release something before this day of rage where they use Kamalas narrative to kill…. Push the people in MN somehow….

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    • Sandra says:

      Make her prove it. It’s easy to spew unsupportable conjectures.

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      • MzMaryMac says:

        I think that the case of Dylan Noble proves otherwise. And what that case further proves is that if you don’t comply with an officer’s demands, you are a fool who may very well be shot. I keep asking for people to show me just one case that illustrates their point – that a white cops shoots and kills a black man who is complying with their orders. They can’t and nor do they wish to. They keep changing the subject to “why must blacks change their behavior to suit racist cops?” If they TRULY cared about black lives in their community, they would embrace this concept. They would embrace the concept of compliance FIRST. I guarantee that it would SAVE LIVES!!!

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      I think that a huge racial meltdown is inevitable, regardless. Take a subculture that is based upon gangs and gang-worship, then stir in the proliferation of drugs and weapons, with passions fueled by MSM politics and the rise of anything-goes social media … it is a lethal cocktail that has no antidote.

      Look at Philando Castile. Even if one hypothetically accepts that he was a regular working man who had no involvement in serious crime, he still was an anti-social gang-culture devotee with all the accoutrements, while having only hit-and-miss regard for doing things the right way. And there are millions just like him, let alone the truly hard core haters.

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    • James F says:

      If castile were white, Kamala Harris and the rest of the world would nevr have heard about this incident.

      If Officer Yanez were black, Kamala Harris and the rest of the world would never have heard about this incident.

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  21. Sandra says:

    Some may have discussed this in earlier threads, I didn’t see it … in one photo of Diamond she’s wearing a “Chiraq” tee. She’s proud of living in one of the wastelands in Chicago. Spike Lee produced that film, I’ve never seen it but I understand that it’s a satirical look at gang life in one Chicago neighborhood, as if the crime and violence so prevalent in the gang-infested neighborhoods is something which can or should be satirized. Death is so funny, isn’t it? Anyway, the inhabitants of the ‘hoods are proud of the title and proudly wear it on their bodies. They take pride in announcing that they are from Englewood or Garfield Park as if it’s a badge of courage. I would consider it impressive if someone received a degree from a top university, they consider it impressive if someone was incarcerated How nice of Spike Lee to perpetuate the gang culture that he never experienced first-hand, rather than work to change it. He grew up in a nice middle class neighborhood and he was well educated and became a success, you’d think he would want the same for other blacks. The same goes for Calvin Broadus (Snoop Dogg) and certain other rappers who were not gang members themselves but perpetuated gang culture through their music. If I were a filmmaker or a musical artist, would I encourage in any way women, especially young women, to be prostitutes? You know? I just don’t get it.

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  22. Lady says:

    Please check out:

    http://Www.gofundme.com/jeronimoyanez

    And spread the word!!!!!!

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  23. Peter says:

    I’m a Police Officer. 22 years

    Just small notes I took from reading this thread. Thank you sundance. We appreciate you.

    Of course it’s a gun. The Police recovered a gun. The officer doesn’t have x-ray eyes. It was there. The perp was reaching for it.

    Of course he’s a suspect in an armed robbery. The similarities are remarkable.

    Yes the dash cam is evidence. They were inventories. It must be damning because the media isn’t showing it.

    Weapons training. Two very important points.
    1. Never point your weapon at anyone or any thing that you don’t intend on killing.

    You shoot to kill. Not wound. You don’t give the target an opportunity to respond in kind.
    In training on the range during a weapons drill it is common that you empty the mag during the last drill and learn reload drills. Train as you fight.
    There are other combo drills. Two to the body and one to the head. If a target keeps going after body shots then take out the computer.
    Everything diamond says is dishonest. Besides dash cam there is NO video of what happened. Just her narrative after the fact. We have nothing. We do have a weapon on the perps lap though

    I myself had a call the other day. Black male presented a gun to another black male to perform a hit. Unbeknownst to the hit man the other black male also had a gun.

    First male flees in a vehicle. I see the vehicle that matches dispatches description. I pull it over. Male inside matches clothing. He’s acting weird and making furtive movements towards the floorboard.
    I tell him to keep his hands where I can see them and put them behind his back. I was in no mood for a shooting, fight, fleeing etc.
    I didn’t want to have to get aviation or K-9 involved.
    I cuff him and guess what’s at his feet? A loaded semi automatic hand gun.
    It could have went south really quick.
    The guy was a gang member on several most wanted lists.
    This happens all of the time every day in America. You don’t hear about them, people don’t want to hear about them because they remain safe due to diligence.
    Police are very well trained and value human life.
    It is the perp who decides how it is going to go.
    Castille, in my opinion planned to shoot that officer and was thwarted. He was a career criminal.
    Black lies matter wants to see dead cops and anarchy. Cops are the only thing that stands between them and bars them from being themselves. Cops are the barrier between them and lawlessness.

    These Police officers were doing their jobs. And they did a good job. They went home alive. They took Gun carrying lawless criminals off of the street. Many Police officers are military veterans. Highly trained from all branches. I serve with former Green Berets, Navy seals, Army Rangers and Infantry, Marines, and AF Para Rescueman.
    Many have college educations. We check in for work. Answer our calls. Conduct traffic enforcement, answer up to medical emergencies, and talk about after work activities, where we are going to eat, and our families.

    The LAST thing we want to do is end up in a shooting.

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    • georgiafl says:

      “Castille, in my opinion planned to shoot that officer and was thwarted. He was a career criminal.” > There is no other reason for driver to greet police officer who pulls you over with a gun in your lap.

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    • bearsgrrr says:

      Thank you for the comments. As an LE, how would you go about dealing with a child in the back seat when you are pulling over someone who may be an armed robbery suspect? I’m trying to figure out how and when the girl was removed – before or after the shooting? Thanks

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    • Great post! Notice you have good instincts on the perp’s body language. Curious how long before the perp is back on the street again? Pretty sure it was an illegal handgun.Thanks for your service!

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    • acumenmac says:

      Thank you for both your post and your service.
      Indeed, you are a member of that thin blue line.
      May God continue to watch over you warrior.

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  24. David says:

    The shooting is only warranted if Castile was reaching for his gun, not if he was reaching for his wallet. That the two are next to each other may mean it is impossible to know which one he was reaching for. If a citizen points a gun at someone who is armed and appears to be a threat without knowing that individual is an undercover cop, they will go to prison if they fire while the cop is reaching for his badge to identify himself. The citizen stating he or she feared for his or her life will not help their legal defense. It is this double standard in the law which needs to be done away with so everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.

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    • mimbler says:

      The difference in your scenario’s is if a police officer lawfully tells you to put your hands up, and you don’t comply, but reach for your wallet next to the gun, it would be a legal shoot. Because, as you say it is impossible to know which he was reaching for, and in my hypothetical, (which I suspect was the case here from know facts), failure to comply in the presence of a firearm can get you legally shot,
      Mike

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      • David says:

        “The difference in your scenario’s is if a police officer lawfully tells you to put your hands up, and you don’t comply, but reach for your wallet next to the gun, it would be a legal shoot.”

        Precisely, that is why current laws are unjust. It creates two classes of citizens. Cops are more equal than others.

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        • georgiafl says:

          Of course they are – they are authorities and should be obeyed.

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          • georgiafl says:

            When an officer tells you to get out of the car and put your hands up – it’s not an equality deal.

            You obey or go to jail…and if you do not obey and pull a gun, you may go to the morgue.

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            • David says:

              “When an officer tells you to get out of the car and put your hands up”

              And if he tells you to get out your wallet, and as you do so, he shoots you, then what? How do we address the fact that the officer shot you for doing as you were instructed by reaching for your wallet?

              ” – it’s not an equality deal.”

              Precisely, that is why the current laws are unjust. It creates two classes of citizens. Cops are more equal than others.

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              • georgiafl says:

                You are making assumptions that police are ill-willed and eager to shoot someone. No evidence for your assumption.

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                • David says:

                  “You are making assumptions that police are ill-willed and eager to shoot someone. ”

                  Wrong, I made no such assumption. If you actually read my original post, the scenarios I brought up is that someone is shot by mistake. You could reach for your wallet (or an undercover cop could reach for his badge), and be shot by mistake because the shooter thought you were reaching for a gun. This is obviously a problem, and isn’t magically solved by obeying the authorities. But once it happens, the law is very unequal in how it treats the two different classes of people who could make that mistake. That is why I said the laws are unjust.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  You just don’t reach without permission when you are stopped. Period.

                  Not when Obama and the BLM put a bounty on every law enforcement officer in the country.

                  Heck, park police and firemen are now in the line of fire from Obama’s people.

                  A Walmart employee attempted to murder a fireman in Walmart when the store was full (see Drudge).

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          • David says:

            “Of course they are – they are authorities and should be obeyed.”

            So if the authorities tell you to get out of your car and take off all your clothes and stand naked on the side of the highway, you should obey?

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            • georgiafl says:

              You are being disingenuous.

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              • David says:

                “You are being disingenuous.”

                Wrong, i am being completely sincere. So I take it that you would not obey if you were ordered to stand naked on the side of the highway. I wouldn’t obey either.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  You are being unreasonable. If you choose to have a gun in your lap when an officer approaches your vehicle…and if the officer says, put your hands up and don’t reach for the gun and you decided to express your ‘equality’ and disobey him, that’s your right/choice. It would also be a dangerous, stupid choice. If your feelings/perceptions of equality are that precious, go ahead.

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                • David says:

                  ” If you choose to have a gun in your lap when an officer approaches your vehicle…and if the officer says, put your hands up and don’t reach for the gun and you decided to express your ‘equality’ and disobey him, that’s your right/choice. ”

                  You continue to discuss a scenario which has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about reaching for the wallet, not the gun. I see you were projecting when you accused me of disingenuous.

                  ” If your feelings/perceptions of equality are that precious, go ahead.”

                  And now you are projecting how you think onto me. This has nothing to do with my feelings, I use reason and logic to come to conclusions.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  Have a nice day!

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                • georgiafl says:

                  Real police do not do anything of the sort – the fake police that assault women do.

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                • David says:

                  “Real police do not do anything of the sort – the fake police that assault women do.”

                  Ok, so that helps, when authorities abuse that authority, they are fake, and you wouldn’t obey. Makes sense.

                  “You just don’t reach without permission when you are stopped.”

                  And if you are shot by mistake even when you obey, the law should not have two classes of citizens with greatly disparate sets of punishments.

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                • georgiafl says:

                  I’m talking about those perverts with fake blue lights who pull women over and assault them.
                  “And if you are shot by mistake even when you obey, the law should not have two classes of citizens with greatly disparate sets of punishments.” – that is your assertion – police are prosecuted for illegal/wrongful actions all the time.

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                • David says:

                  “that is your assertion”

                  Wrong, I stick with the facts.

                  ” – police are prosecuted for illegal/wrongful actions all the time.”

                  Sometimes, not all the time. Like Hillary Clinton’s case, sometimes no charges are brought.

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            • nancyg22 says:

              I would say, “I refuse to do that officer, you will have to arrest me,” and put my hands out for the cuffs.

              Not that I ever expect that to happen. The strawman game is fun.

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              • David says:

                “The strawman game is fun.”

                If you say so, I wouldn’t know as I don’t play it. My response was to georgiafl’s strawman.

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        • TheVelvetKitten says:

          You ask the officer what he would like for you to do to ensure he feels safe..AFTER,you tell him location of weapon and wallet…YOU DO ALL THIS WITHOUT MOVING.

          Listen to Lavish’s statements in her video..she contradicts her orginial statement while she was in the police car.

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          • David says:

            “You ask the officer what he would like for you to do to ensure he feels safe..AFTER,you tell him location of weapon and wallet…YOU DO ALL THIS WITHOUT MOVING.”

            While this doesn’t really address my scenario, it does raise a second issue. For those who grow up in bad neighborhoods, they are more likely to be aggressive in response to aggression because that is the only way to keep others from constantly hurting you or taking advantage of you. So those who grow up learning that lesson are the ones least likely to follow your advice. Thus, the police end up shooting more people from bad neighborhoods.

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            • Concerned says:

              If that’s the lesson they learned then they need to unlearn it, stat. Police are not average citizens.

              I would say police end up shooting more people from bad neighborhoods because the bad neighborhoods are home to a greater percentage of violent criminals. Those criminals 1) don’t want to get caught and 2) have no regard for authority or human life.

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    • Concerned says:

      The shooting is only warranted if Castile was reaching for his gun, not if he was reaching for his wallet. That the two are next to each other may mean it is impossible to know which one he was reaching for.

      It’s up to you, the person who was pulled over, to not reach for your gun and not make it look like you are reaching for your gun. You will be shot. If you expect the situation to be any other way then I would say you’re nuts. Please keep in mind that the officer pulled Philando over because Philando matched the description of an ARMED ROBBERY perpetrator.

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      • Concerned says:

        Maybe this is part of the problem, there are people who think that an armed police officer shouldn’t be able to use his/her firearm even when a suspect is reaching for his/her own, even when a suspect punches the police officer in the face, even when a suspect grabs for the police officer’s gun, even when a suspect grabs and uses the officer’s taser, etc etc etc.

        When on duty, police are not average ordinary citizens. They have special privileges. Maybe President Obama should make sure that all residents and visitors of the US are aware of this rather than spend so much time meeting with domestic terrorists.

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        • David says:

          “Maybe this is part of the problem, there are people who think that an armed police officer shouldn’t be able to use his/her firearm even when a suspect is reaching for his/her own”

          That does not describe me. I think armed police officers should not be able to use his/her firearm when the suspect is reaching for his or her own wallet to provide ID to said police officer. And as you and I both made clear, we may never know which Castile was doing.

          “When on duty, police are not average ordinary citizens. They have special privileges.”

          Precisely, that is why current laws are unjust. It creates two classes of citizens. Cops are more equal than others…and not just when on duty.

          ” Maybe President Obama should make sure that all residents and visitors of the US”

          That is not a bad idea. Obama could say, “We are all equal. But some are more equal than others.”

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  25. freddy says:

    Get ready to see his funeral on a white carriage horse drawn and Diamond putting her best performance… Get a bag in case you get ill…… daily mail…… notice all the down arrows on comments…..

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    • ccz says:

      Yes, the casket carried by a horse drawn white carriage. News report reads:

      “Hundreds of people are attending the funeral service for Philando Castile at the Cathedral of St. Paul.

      Gov. Mark Dayton, Lt. Gov. Tina Smith and St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman are among the estimated 2,700 people at the Cathedral, which has space for 3,000.”

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  26. Bob says:

    Could the daughter have been removed from the car because it was a high stress situation? Meaning was there some indication that a standoff was about to occur because Castile was armed and the police did NOT want the 4 year old in the crossfire? I can’t think of why the daughter would be out of the car before Lavish started filming? A cop would not allow all that movement while there was an active gun on the lap of a suspect.

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    • Concerned says:

      Sure, to prevent a hostage situation or just prevent the daughter from being shot, directly or via a stray bullet.

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    • deqwik2 says:

      It all happened in 103 seconds. From the time the officer walked to car until it was over. I’m pretty sure the child was removed as soon as shots were fired but not before. Think how many seconds to get child out of car seat plus the distraction it would have caused. Lavish would have been spinning a much different story too.

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  27. Bob says:

    As for Castiles permit. I find it really irrelevant to be honest. First it was issued in a different county and laws make it clear the permit is VOID if you do not update it to your current residents county in 30 days. Valid or NOT valid it doesn’t change the fact that a legal or illegal gun can kill a police officers. The SJW think they cracked the case because he had paperwork for the firearm. So what?

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    • JUst because you live in a different place does not necessarily mean you have changed PERMANENT RESIDENCE. I have two homes, Live in one several months the other on and off. If he had moved from his residence and did not own or pay rent etc. Then there is an argument. I have one Carry Permit, I other State (s). I have not changed my permanent residence etc. Gun Permits have reciprocal laws with other states as to whether they are valid in another state. BEsides Really arguing over a permit and you believe in the constitution. There should not be a permit needed if you wish to own a gun.. Picking at nits. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED…. k.

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  28. Jill says:

    It’s remarkable that the gun was left, apparently unsecured on the street. Wouldn’t it normally be unloaded and made safe immediately.

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  29. Bob says:

    Lavish was playing on Facebook leading up to the traffic stop. You can tell by the post of her friends that she shared. When the cops threw on the lights she threw down her phone to hide the weed they had in the car. Not to mention if they did rob that store they are trying to get their stories straight before the officer approaches. This is why she did not live stream the entire event. She was preoccupied. From the officer approach to the time she hit record more than a few minutes went by and her child exited the vehicle. We only see the aftermath. A gun being on the guys lap is ENOUGH proof to admit this was not a RACE case. The governor of Minnesota is the one to blame in this situation for throwing his entire forces all over the state under the bus with that comment about “this would not happen if the guy was white”. You have to ask yourself why the leaders of this country want a race war?

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  30. cali says:

    My heart really aches for this police officer who did nothing wrong at all!
    Now – some citizens wanted to create a ‘GoFundMe’ account for this police officer so he and his fiancé/wife could go somewhere for the time being and away from his residence to stay safe. We know from the Trayvon and Brown cases how there were rewards issued/pledged to kill these police officers.
    GoFundMe rejected the requested page and told those individuals that it is under review and they would get an answer in about 7 days whether they could ask for donations to help this officer.
    Yet – Castile’s mother, the girlfriend and someone else are all collecting on there for Castile and between the three – a total sum of $256,000.00 has been pledged and counting. The mother trashed Diamond the girlfriend because she gets more donation or rather they all three bash each other each claiming to have more rights to receive donations.
    It is very discriminatory that GoFundMe will not allow the same right for citizens to open and account for pledges to help this police officer. What gives!?
    Utterly disgraceful and shameful by GoFundMe but it also tells us that they do not support police officers obviously when it involves BLM!

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  31. ccz says:

    Best purely documentary site with many documents related to the incident and background is:
    http://bringmethenews.com/2016/07/13/philando-castile-shooting-all-the-public-police-documents-that-have-been-released/

    To date, all documents are background documents, such as the training records of the two police officers (multiple hours of use of force training), and many other documents relating to jurisdiction and demographics and crime statistics of the municipality.

    Site has posted the incident report previously posted on this site and states that they will post all issued documents relating to the investigation as soon as they are released. They have a Freedom of Information Act request for any and all future public documents related to the incident.

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  32. nancyg22 says:

    Even if you have a permit to carry a handgun, I don’t think you’re supposed to drive with it in your lap. Or is that legal?

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  33. Nettles18 says:

    Philando Castile was laid to rest today. It’s my hope that through his death we learn what could have prevented the outcome. My deepest condolences to Mr. Castile’s mother, sister and extended family and friends. May you find the strength needed to get you through this time in the love you share for one and other.

    Photo by Elizabeth Flores of the AP shows Valerie Castile (mother of Philando) riding alongside the casket.

    Photo by Aaron Lavinsky of the AP shows the funeral procession arriving at The Cathedral of Saint Paul

    Photo by Eric Miller of Reuters show family members consoling Diamond Reynolds

    More photos here: http://www.nbcnews.com/slideshow/family-friends-say-goodbye-philando-castile-n609406

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    • Concerned says:

      She’s really milking it, isn’t she.

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      • Nettles18 says:

        There appears to be some strife between Reynolds and Castile’s mother and sister. Both Mother and Sister have posted publicly on their facebook pages clarifying Reynolds’ relationship with Castile as well as making a point to say Reynolds’ daughter is not Castile’s child.
        Reynolds left the funeral today 30 minutes before the service ended. It was attended by an estimated 1,500 people.

        ”Diamond Reynolds, who live-streamed the aftermath of the shooting on Facebook, the video of which has been viewed millions of times, arrived dressed in black. Her 4-year-old daughter, who was in the back seat of the car during the shooting, played outside cathedral before they entered. Reynolds left about 30 minutes before the service ended.

        Read More on the Service and who attended here: http://www.startribune.com/castile-family-arriving-at-funeral-home-ahead-of-st-paul-cathedral-service/386800181/

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        • Daisy says:

          Nettles18, They all started out supporting his other (view Valerie Castile’s initial interview) where she refers to Diamond as her son’s “fiancée.” Once the $$$ entered the equation, feelings apparently changed. Philando has a cousin (IRok Solo Wilson) who initially called Diamond “his sister” and her daughter “his niece”. He praised her bravery. In the same post, he dissed her mother Dafina Doty by creating a caption “JSpade noLove Doty” I don’t know what that was about. It could have been the initial narcissist comments Dafina Doty made about Diamond.

          http://www.infowars.com/philando-castiles-mama-is-mad-about-lavish-reynolds-stealing-gofundme-cash/ Pictures of IRok and his caption under his Aunt Valerie’s post.

          IRok Solo Wilson also wore dreads, but had them cut off yesterday. I find this fact interesting (albeit it smart) if IRok was somehow involved….

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBXPmzlHwug is Dafina’s initial interview about her daughter Diamond and their relationship with Philando. According to her words, Philando was in Diamond’s life for 10 years. Dafina said that he was a “wart” that wouldn’t go away. Perhaps, it explains the indifference Diamond showed him when he was bleeding out. I also think she knew that he made the wrong move and went immediately into victim mode to get sympathy and help for herself.

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          • Concerned says:

            There’s no way Philando was Diamond’s girlfriend for 10 years, if that’s what Dafina was implying. Diamond had a Chicago boyfriend, Tramaine Eversley, who is the father of the 4 year old Daeanne. Diamond’s tweets from 2012 indicate that she was very much in love with Tramaine, but they were no longer a couple the following year.

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            • Concerned says:

              Diamond’s boyfriend, I mean.

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            • Daisy says:

              Concerned, in the ^^^^ up post (addressing Nettles18), I posted a link to Dafina’s interview. At the 1:39 time interval, she said that Philando was in and out of her daughter’s life the past 10 years. He was a “regular staple” in her family.

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              • Concerned says:

                In and out, OK that makes sense. Because there was a 2 or so year period when he was out.

                By the way, Diamond said in one of the videos (the next day video I believe) that she just moved to that area (Minneapolis-St Paul) and she didn’t have family there, if I recall correctly. She acted like she just moved there. But there’s a 2008 news article proving that she and her mother Dafina lived there as early as 2008. And now we know she was with her in-and-out boyfriend/fiance for 10 years. So it’s just another lie, I guess. She really did have ties to the area, she was not new as she claimed.

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                • Concerned says:

                  Dear Diamond, if you are going to lie, then you’d better make sure that you haven’t left a trail of truths all over the ‘net.

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        • Concerned says:

          She can probably only go about 30 minutes between blunts.

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        • Daisy says:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhbAZ6hlH4 Initial video of Castile’s mother ~ Valerie stating that Diamond was Philando’s fiancee.

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    • N says:

      There’s a really good photo of men holding up the casket. See anyone that looks familiar?

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  34. Doug Brown says:

    Castile’s Instagram and Twitter accounts are “TycoonPhe” and “@TycoonChedd”. His Twitter description is “TYCOON CITY BOSS 20.3”. Several of his friends on Twitter and Instagram have a Tycoon____ name. This is a reference to “Tycoon City” which is a St Paul gang associated with the Selby Siders (Crip affiliated gang).

    http://www.twincities.com/2011/02/01/two-men-charged-in-break-in-assault-at-st-paul-home/

    “a group of six to eight men affiliated with “Tycoon City,” a sub-group of the Selby Siders gang, rammed through the door.”

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  35. Bob says:

    Look. The bottom line is Obama was appointed by the American People not once, but twice. The white moron liberal who lives next door to you is to blame. This president is exactly what WE the people deserve. Brain dead idiots who play Pokemon at 35 years old. This is nothing to what compares to the hell this country will be in when Clinton wins.

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  36. GoldenEye says:

    Repeat after me: The media always lies about black/white shootings.

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  37. tommylotto says:

    So, apparently he did have a permit for the gun
    http://www.herald-dispatch.com/ap/ap_nation/how-castile-told-officer-about-gun-critical-in-final-moments/article_f975867f-05a2-504d-b6b3-33cd1b29646d.html

    That surprises me, habitually no drivers license, no insurance, but a weapons permit…

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    • Jso Rsa says:

      Look for the previous discussions on that subject and the links and citations from MN law that explain why that permit was most likely invalid. Regardless, he wasn’t shot for not have a CCW permit, and someone with a permit can kill you just as easily as someone without a permit.

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    • georgiafl says:

      HAD a permit which, according to MN law, was made invalid by Castile’s use of illegal drugs.

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    • Wait did I read that right she is now saying he had his handgun in a holster wearing sweatpants? ” Reynolds, however, has said his gun was in its holster in his pants when they were stopped.”

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      • closerlook41 says:

        Either Reynolds is lying about the gun being nestled in the holster or more went down than she said, because it is very obviously in his lap and partly showing from under his shirt. Either way she is lying: the question is about what…..

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  38. We NEED DJT! says:

    Wow before I saw the pictures of the funeral, I saw people making reference to the white horse and coach..etc. I THOUGHT you guys were being funny, I had NO IDEA this really happened. Wow, just wow!!!! No shame in their game!

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  39. deqwik2 says:

    Medics were called at 9:07pm. Here is the radio call to the medics. Shooting called in at 9:06 pm. We have pic of them doing CPR but this proves they didn’t waste any time getting help there. Another lie by Lavish.
    http://www.startribune.com/audio-scanner-audio-of-incident-response-to-castile-shooting/386337531/

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  40. lepanto says:

    The funeral at the Catholic Cathedral of St. Paul seems to be the first moment of grace and dignity in this whole episode. It seems that steps were taken to prevent it from becoming a total media circus.
    Since I have seen nothing in the media but the processions to and from the cathedral, it seems that no news media were allowed inside the cathedral, and no videos or photography were permitted.

    Although Philando and his family members are Baptist, it was nice of the Archdiocese to allow the funeral in the very large cathedral. The statement on the cathedral website correctly stated, “The Catholic Church believes that burying the dead is a Corporal Work of Mercy.”
    https://www.cathedralsaintpaul.org/news/funeral-philando-castile-july-14

    A funeral is not, and should not be, a canonization of the deceased person.

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  41. bob says:

    I can’t get over this guy getting more coverage than the police officers funeral. I bet any amount of money when the police dash cam videos come out that the officers is cleared. How many people have to die before they clear this mess up and show who the real person at fault was?

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  42. andi lee says:

    Philando and Diamond KNEW they were being pulled over by law enforcement.

    WHY Philando did not secure his weapon in the glovebox prior to the stop is leading me to believe Philando’s intention fails “law-abiding” citizen.

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  43. ccz says:

    They are cleaning up her record, somewhat.

    Diamond’s twitter account
    https://twitter.com/Lavish_doinme/with_replies?lang=en

    has replaced the top of the home page image to be she and Philandro together and replaced her photographic avatar “derriere” (using polite language) image with an image of Philandro as an angle (so every tweet has that image as the photographic avatar). And some tweets have apparently been deleted, 9,562 before the incident and 9,555 currently. Since the first tweet is new, that would seem to mean that 8 tweets were deleted?

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    • Sandra says:

      The scrubbing has begun. We actually had a good time to go through all of the social media before the scrubbing, way more than usual.

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  44. jakeandcrew says:

    Nettles18 says:
    July 15, 2016 at 12:31 am

    The seconds don’t show on facebook but Reynold’s time stamp on the livestream could have been as late as 9:06:59 for it to post on facebook as 9:06. As the officers were removing the child from the car, it would appear Reynolds readied her phone for livestreaming and got it going after the child had been removed. All between 9:06:10 and 9:06:59. A minute and a half later, officers took Reynolds out of the car at gunpoint.

    I agree – seconds are so important in this case! So, it could be laid out like this —

    9:04:27 thru 9:06:09 —
    Police officers approach the vehicle…Conversation/altercation between police and passengers…Castile shot

    9:06:10 —
    “Shots fired” reported

    9:06:11 thru 9:06:59 —
    Officer removes 4yo child from vehicle…Diamond/Lavish begins her live stream on FB

    Concerning daughter’s removal from the car —

    When Lavish’s video begins, immediately, her daughter can be heard crying in the background, and it’s definitely from a distance. When Lavish is removed from the car, told to get on her knees, and handcuffed, her daughter cries again, and you can tell it’s the same cry.

    I don’t think there’s any way her daughter was in the car or removed from the car during Lavish’s live stream. She would have been crying – loudly. Unfortunately, I do think she was there when Castile was shot.

    Concerning when Lavish began live streaming —

    Lavish had plenty of time in those 45 seconds or so to start live streaming. First of all, she was already on FB at the time. She shared one of her friend’s posts at 9:02 pm.

    I played around with FB live streaming last night, trying to understand it better. It doesn’t take long to start, at all. It’s just a matter of going to your status (as if you were going to write a post), and hitting a live stream icon. You then enter a title for your video. Lavish entered simply, “Police”. Hit “Go Live” button, it counts down 3, 2, 1…and it’s live. We know she’s very familiar with this process, so even in this high-stress situation, she could get it done quickly. I’m a complete novice, and I can get a live stream going in 10 seconds.

    In Lavish’s first interview after the shooting, a reporter asks her (at 16:44), “How were you able to figure out that you should put this on Facebook?” At 17:23, Lavish says, “So I chose to allow the video to go live 10 seconds before my phone died.” Either she’s lying, or she’s just wrong – because, as Nettles said somewhere on one of these threads, Lavish started the live stream at 9:06, and it was live at 9:06, and available to watch. Lavish may have meant that she chose to post the video at that point, because when you finish your video, you have a choice to delete it right there, or post it to FB, so it can be played back, just like any other video posted to FB. Obviously, she posted it.

    I discovered that when I play back Lavish’s video on my phone, it plays back the responses that she got at the time, as well. The comments will pop up in a blue bubble at the bottom of the screen, as they did in real time (as well as being listed chronologically below the picture), and the emoji’s will float across the screen as they were clicked in real time.

    Also, when you pause the recording, there is a graph that shows the amount of feedback during the live streaming. In Lavish’s video, the feedback was greater in the first few minutes, and then it diminished quite a bit.

    All of that being said, the all-important question still is – what happened during those 103 seconds?

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    • Daisy says:

      jakeandcrew,

      Everyone wants to know hat happened during those 103 seconds (1 min 43 seconds).
      The St. Anthony officers didn’t wear body cameras, so the missing pieces will be supplied by personal testimonies and the audio/video from the patrol car dashboard.

      Does anyone know if it is against any federal/minnesota state laws to carry a concealed, loaded gun in your waistband, without a holster?

      I was instructed by my C/C teacher to secure my weapon in a holster or in a foam sleeve between the crack of the seat/arm rest. Discharging a weapon accidently can be dangerous to oneself and others. My instructor is a paramedic and told us that gangters carry dirty by carrying their guns in their waistband. He also said that many times these guns are stolen, never cleaned, and are prone to misfire for that reason.

      Diamond “Lavish” make a comment (toward the end, at the 12:17-12:26) time mark of her infamous 4th of July video. She stated “Thank God WE ARE ALIVE and are able to do the things we do, be grateful.”

      I believe her statement reflects the dangerous environment in which she and Philando were a part of. Whether or not they were involved in the robbery, is something we may never know. I also know that people who live day-day existences (thinking only about the day they are in, what they want at that exact moment) take more risks than people whom are patient; can delay immediate satisification; and whom work deligently toward their goals/dreams.

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      • ccz says:

        The St. Anthony VillageFest parade [Saturday, August 6] has been cancelled in the wake of the recent shooting of Philando Castile, organizers announced in a Facebook post.

        “In light of the recent events surrounding St. Anthony, and the impact that has had on our Village and surrounding areas, VillageFest has partnered with the city and has made the difficult decision to cancel the parade.

        Our police force and surrounding police forces have been working together to continue a safe environment for us all. The parade requires an extensive amount of resources from the police, fire and public works departments, that are currently stretched to their limits.

        We know this is not welcome news as the parade is a highlight of our festival. But please know we have made this decision with the best of intentions to keep our community safe.”

        “with the best of intentions to keep our community safe.” from??

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        • Daisy says:

          ccz
          I saw on my FB feed today a live feed from a patriot who claims he got privy to inside information about uprisings that will be coordinated in major cities from 5-7 pm est. I hope this information is not true!!!!

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  45. N says:

    More obvious reason for desperate need to stream Video: probably to warn somebody else.

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  46. Jms says:

    I love what everyone is doing but why hasn’t the media picked up on these FACTS??!

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    • Daisy says:

      Jms, This story is old news to the media. Unless some earth shattering discovery is made, it will remained buried, until the court hearing takes place.

      Personally, I hope something good can come out of this horrendous story. I feel that Facebook should be forced to censor videos that they allow to be streamed (for free) at anytime! People react emotionally to graphic images and are sometimes unable to decipher what is factual or what is being manipulated to drive a biased narrative that the poster wants represented.

      Privacy is also being jeopardized because uninformed people are having their voices/images/identifies broadcasted without their implied consent! If the US government is concerned about patient privacy in hospitals/medical offices, then why don’t they impose the same standards on citizens to what can publicly be shared and what is prohibited???

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  47. Djk says:

    Dennis Lynch video showing the other side of Diamond Reynolds. Doubt she will ever be Mother of the Year. https://youtu.be/lc7JcUQ8W0o

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  48. ccz says:

    Newly released incident report of 2011 traffic stop by two officers including Officer Yanez and misdemeanor arrest of Philandro Castile for driving after revocation:
    https://bringmethenews.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/20160721-philando-castile-2011-police-incident.pdf

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