Post Florida Debate Debrief – Civility Returns…

The professional political apparatus have worked earnestly to try every scheme, angle and manipulative dirty trick in the book to eliminate the frontrunner of the republican presidential primary.   Despite spending hundreds of millions, the GOPe have consistently failed; due in large part to a more in-tune electorate well aware of their ploys.

Last night the Miami-Dade debate returned to a more civil confrontation, and candidate Donald Trump benefitted from the shift.  Mr. Trump reminded the republican audience in the auditorium and at home that millions of newly engaged people were joining the party, switching party registration, and aligning with the republican insurgency he’s leading.

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The RNC had previously done an autopsy on their historic failings; and Trump reminded the entire party apparatus he was bringing into the tent exactly the coalition they previously identified as necessary.

There was/is a large sense of irony in Trump delivering where the republican party has failed, and yet the party itself seemed less than accepting of the new, more broad, coalition.   In his opening statement, Trump put them on notice.

Here’s the debate:

The first question on trade to Senator Marco Rubio brought a response that exemplified the disconnect from a political talker and anyone understanding of trade in South Florida.  Rubio brought up Florida’s trade relationship with Columbia, specifically Columbian flower growers, as an example of successful regional trade policy.

However, what political Rubio didn’t identify, because he’s never been immersed in the actual main-street reasoning, was the trade comparison he was making was fundamentally flawed.  The floral trade relationship between Florida and Columbia is based entirely on the fact that Florida cannot produce the product.

Most of Florida doesn’t have dirt.  Florida’s farmland is almost exclusively comprised of high sand content.  The imported flowers, mostly roses, from Columbia are a necessary part of trade because the product simply cannot be produced in the region.  Hence the regional success in the trade relationship is entirely because of forced dependency.

marco rubio - Trump hatIn many ways Florida is like an island, it is almost 800 miles from the northern state border to the Southern state border and surrounded on three sides by water.  The transportation costs for dependency goods are cost-prohibitive for many industries, this is another factor for the higher than normal cost of many manufactured items within the sunshine state.  Main-street businesses understand this, politicians not-so-much.

You’ll also note Rubio never brought up the attack angle on Donald Trump of hiring H2B visa workers at Trump’s hotels and resorts in South Florida.  You’ll remember Rubio did do this previously in Detroit.  Surely if this was such a big issue he’d bring it up while standing on a stage under the shadow of the very resorts he’s been talking about, right?

So why not last night?  Because Marco Rubio would have been laughed off the stage in South Florida, in the current peak tourist season.  Everyone in the audience knows every able bodied, working-aged, man, woman and young adult is currently busting their ass working in the resort, restaurant and service community.  The current H2B guest workers in South Florida right now are filling the necessary three month seasonal demand – by the thousands.

It was interesting to see the media avoided noticing that.

What was additionally obvious from Senator Rubio was his foreign policy, especially toward the Middle-East and Israel.  Rubio announcing that peace with the Palestinians was “impossible” etc., while seemingly oblivious to the fact that Egypt’s Fatah El-Sisi had actually brokered a peace deal just last year between Hamas, the Palestinian Authority and Israel.

El-Sisi accomplished this peace accord, tentative though it might be, by actually supporting the position of Netanyahu.   Remember, it was Egypt who told John Kerry to stay the heck away because he was only making things worse.

Just like el-Sisi, accepting the possibility for peace and regional stability while simultaneously advocating for Israel is exactly the position of Donald Trump.  Rubio, Kasich and Senator Ted Cruz seemingly prefer to deny this factual possibility, and instead demand we take a militaristic dictatorial view of forced resolution, or no resolution at all.

We’ve tried those zero-sum approaches for years; and you might call me naïve, but my gut tells me Donald Trump, Fattah el-Sisi and Benjamin Netanyahu might just be the perfect blend of principle-centered leadership needed to triangulate Mahmoud Abbas and create the regional stability most of Israel wants.  Yet, in neo-con political Rubio’s mind such a concept is unfathomable.

Ted Cruz’s positions on trade were even more bizarre than he previously stated.  According to Senator Cruz last night, Americans want to purchase Chinese manufactured products because they are cheaper.  Donald Trump just absolutely owned Cruz on the ridiculous manufacturing and tariff positions Cruz was attempting.

Trump outlined a trade policy shift that not only makes sense, it actually does put the U.S. worker back in the drivers seat for good paying jobs.

Ted Cruz really came off as all hat and no cattle trying to claim the mantle of the Washington DC “outsider”.  This is only days after taking all of Jeb Bush’s team into his own campaign operations and a factual record which shows him deeply owned by the Wall Street interests who dictate legislative priorities.

In the final analysis the current issues at the top of all the debate conversations, immigration, trade, economics, national security, ISIS, Islamic threats, etc. are all fundamentally now positions that Donald Trump has continuously espoused since entering the race in June of 2015.

Donald Trump made the topics the priorities they are today.  There’s not a single candidate left in the race who has brought any of their campaign topics into the race and infused them into the ongoing party campaign.

Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Ted Cruz and Governor John Kasich are all negotiating various policy positions on subjects that Donald Trump put into the race.  Stunningly their espoused solutions are various small degrees of nuance from the solutions Trump has maintained from day one.

As a direct consequence, Trump now enlarges his influence and shifts outwardly to the larger electorate.  The “tres amigos” are left quibbling over the details.

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“Little Marco” -vs- “The PATRÓN


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320 Responses to Post Florida Debate Debrief – Civility Returns…

  1. Michael Dixon says:

    Skeptic that I am, couldn’t help but notice that Rience Priebus said the party would support the nominee, whoever he may be. It remains to be seen who the party will nominate. The trademark of politics is the backstab.

    Liked by 6 people

    • Ono says:

      What Riencey didn’t say is that the public vote means nothing to the RNC. They have and will continue to reprint the rule book to suit the elites agenda. Riency has put himself ion a no win situation (aside from the money he’ll get). If he rigs the election against Trump, he will not be able to get a quart of milk without being tarred and feathered. If he doesn’t meet his handlers needs he will likely end up as an unemployed or missing in action Bush Cartel has been.


      • Nan says:

        One thing I’ve been wondering about lately is what kind of influence Trump can/has been exercising behind the scenes with the donor class. He knows those guys – like he says, he’s been on that group for a long time. And those people are (mostly) not Cultural Marxists nor ideologues. They’re businessmen working in what they perceive to be heir best financial interests. That means they can be influenced.

        The call for patriotism may stir a few, but there have to be other persuasive tactics that can be brought into action. Is there any way to make it in their best interest to call off their GOP attack dogs?

        Liked by 2 people

        • joshua says:

          Nan, you make an interesting point. Trump could SAVE the donors a lot of money if he discussed their needs against his agenda and meant they would not have to BUY influence with politicians, but could negotiate a fair deal for their businesses with the future president…would be the RIGHT way for the nation to work, rather than buying influence behind the scenes. He merely wants the nation to come out well, not to damage businesses…but he wants the taxpayers to stop having to fund Special Deals.

          Liked by 1 person

        • TheLastDemocrat says:

          I don’t know about the banks, except brute force regulation and enforcement.
          The politicians and banks collaborated to make borrowing easier for unqualified home-buyers – win/win: politicians seem like they are “building the middle class” and “fighting racism in lending,” while the banks get to loan out money KNOWING that when it comes around to bite them in the aye zee zee, the government will bail them out.

          Easy borrowing plus a hot housing market = bubble.

          When the bubble burst, did us plain folk receive the government support, or did the banks receive the government support?

          Oh – and this is rich: obviously, when the bill comes due for the mortgage, and the eventual economic downturn manifests, Blacks and Hispanics are disproportionately hit – this is simple demographics. But the politicians created the problem by promoting easy borrowing, then on the down-swing, they get to claim the banks are racisss and the politicians get to be social justice warriors!

          The banks sit back and absorb the criticism, and are right there to refill the campaign war chest.

          Who is the chump in all of this? The minorities.

          The banks are there to make money. They will skirt the edge of legality every time; there is no way to reform them, like you would reform Michael Vick.

          Anyone with half a brain and decent knowledge of high finance could tell you these deceptive-derivitives-of-subprime-loans were stinkers.

          As soon as the scent caught anyone’s nose, the strategy should have been shot down.


      • Dick Albright says:

        And…Trump’s elegant final words were NOT! “vote for me”…they were “the (R) party needs to unify” to form up and restore the party loyalty and support. If they don’t see the character of this man as “America First” ….even above his “own business” (his words)…then they (RNC) are in for a rude…and I mean “REALLY RUDE”… AWAKENING”!!!!!!!!!


    • Bert Darrell says:

      Lying Ted said last night that the candidate with the most votes should get the nomination. Is he going to stick to that while trailing Trump? I doubt it because he changes his mind faster than a car’s turn signal.

      Liked by 1 person

  2. Clc says:

    the cnn lady asked a question about obama’s cuba trade agreement. she said that folks from Alabama had built a plant in cuba building tractors. to me, this was a hanging curveball for trump to knock out of the park but he didn’t get to comment. this is exactly what is wrong with our trade policies.

    Liked by 1 person

    • There were multiple points in the debate where they intentionally cheated Trump by shifting focus.

      I also noticed some obvious set-up questions that Rubio appeared to be waiting for. I suspect the Uniparty leaked them to people in the vicinity of Team Rubio.

      Liked by 2 people

      • Larry Bates says:

        Keeping Trump away from any ball that he could easily hit out of the park is becoming the hallmark of these debates. It is corrupt, disingenuous and should be called out. Evidently the mainstream media believe that they are impervious to our contempt, but technology will eventually change that perception in a big way. Spoon fed ideologies are already a thing of the past. Trump is proving that. What we need now is technology that does a better job of putting us each in control of what we believe without creating group-think bubbles.

        Liked by 1 person

    • Here in my area by Mobile bay, it would be very beneficial to have trade with Cuba. More business keeps people employed.


      • kenramsey says:

        Cubans don’t have any money. They can’t afford you. You’re going to have a one-way trade, with Cubans who will work for peanuts trying to take your business.


  3. El Torito says:

    Here is an excellent Washington Post article, which provides a lot of info on Jeb’s financial relationship with MicroSoft just prior to his decision to run for POTUS in 2014. The takeaway is MicroSoft donated heavily to an educational foundation run by Jeb which was the back door facilitating large corporations access to school systems, and much more…Now we know why Jeb is so invested in dumping Trump – it’s all about Trump being anti common core vs the millions JEB has made in donations from MicroSoft. This is an excellent read loaded with ammo:

    Liked by 3 people

    • Larry Bates says:

      Excellent article. In my view, Microsoft’s goal of creating lifetime electronic report cards for each child in America is both evil and chilling. Great for employers but very reminiscent of Soviet style management of employees. Rather like the GOPe on steroids.


  4. Rev21v3n4 says:

    These fools…we WANT him to not tone down. Good grief. He’s BEATING THEM ALL. He didn’t do that by “toning it down”. Gah!


    • Rev21v3n4 says:

      Oops. Posted this on the wrong thread. Shouldn’t have two windows open. Hangs head in shame…….


      • auscitizenmom says:

        ? I think it fit here just fine.


        • Rev21v3n4 says:

          I meant to post on the Carson/Trump press conference thread because the idiot reporters kept asking the same question over and over ad nauseum about toning his rhetoric down. And, Sundance reminds us every now and then to stay on thread point or risk getting banned…lol! I worry about the little things… 😀


  5. MVW says:

    The price of China products increases, yes. Which makes the production equation more sustainable with domestic manufacturing. Trump is right”

    Once the $2.5 Trillion to $5 Trillion is allowed to come back into the US (massive capital injection) and once trade changes the investment breakeven equations for manufacturing in the US via tax and regulations rollback, the plants will be built in the US.

    Liked by 1 person

  6. trapper says:

    As I was listening to the debate last night it reminded me of that Michael Keaton movie from the 90’s, Multiplicity, in which a busy guy has himself cloned. Here, Cruz is copy number 1, the tough guy; little Marco like number 2 is effeminate; Kasich as number 3, being a copy of a copy, is mentally slow. All three of the Trump copies were trying to outdo each other last night to imitate the real Trump, presenting their own flawed imitations of the positions Trump has been advocating the whole time.

    One other observation. Listen carefully to Cruz’s answers on trade or TPP. He has an underlying agenda. Remember, his daddy is all 7 Mountains dominionism, so is Ted, and they heretically believe that they are ushering in the coming of the Messiah and an end-times massive transfer of wealth to “the gentiles.” It’s crazy made-up nonsense with no scriptural basis other than their Old Testament proof texting, but they believe it. Ted believes it. So his trade answers are superficial parroting of Econ 101 stuff because he doesn’t really care. That is not what he believes. He believes it will be taken care of automatically by a supernatural event. Those Cruz people are dangerous, and are being used and I am sure laughed at behind their backs by the elite. Was Ted at Sea Island? Didn’t think so.

    See here:

    And here:

    Some of the Huffpo commenters are interesting in that they will be ripe for the picking for the Trump campaign after the Democrats hold their own rigged convention to nominate a hand-picked Obama nominee following a Bernie defeat and a Hillary indictment.


    • jackphatz says:

      One can only imagine who many “moles” Trump had at that Sea Island meeting.


    • Dixie says:

      All three of the Trump copies were trying to outdo each other last night to imitate the real Trump, presenting their own flawed imitations of the positions Trump has been advocating the whole time.

      While none of them completely understood what they were advocating as was evidenced by Ted Cruz comments on the tariffs and Trump’s correction of it. I believe CTH commenters are just as qualified as candidates for president as Rubio and Cruz. Donald J. Trump is the very epitome of a leader, negotiator and unifier and he WILL persevere.

      But then, I’m preaching to the choir……

      Liked by 2 people

      • Riddick says:

        Why are you insulting us? 🙂 We are MORE THAN qualified against these political hacks, most of us here understand simple Business and Economics 101, which these 2 hacks still don’t get, even after free education gifted to them in US Senate and their utter failure to learn rudimentary common sense basics.

        Kasich I won’t even mention, I am really sick and tired of his “I created balanced budget” LIE when, in fact, it was none other than NEWT who grabbed these morons by the scruff of the neck and FORCED to do that. Despite their objections to it.

        Shame that so many people do not remember “Contract with America”


        • Kroesus says:

          Kasich’s balanced budget was already claimed by Clinton LOL…it is only in balance when you roll SS and MediCare surpluses into the general to hide the deficits….they are both in negative territory now paying out more than the take in


          • Toronto Tonto says:

            Kasich claims to have balanced Ohio’s budget the same way, by taking federal Medicaid money with strings attached, like Romney in Massachusetts.


        • kenramsey says:

          Wait a minute, John Kasich was great on the budget back then. I was on Capitol Hill back then, but on the Senate side as a staffer. You’re right in that he can’t claim sole credit, but he does deserve a lot of credit. HOWEVER, that was a long time ago. As Ohio governor he’s a horror show on the budget. He gave them an Obamacare exchange and exploded the Medicare rolls, all for a big pot of federal bait money that’s not meant to last. He has been horrifically short sighted, over time as the federal contribution shrinks this will create a fiscal crisis. John Kasich basically signed up huge new liabilities and kicked the can to whomever follows him. This irresponsibility is more than enough to erase any reputation he formally had as a fiscally conservative budget hawk. He blew it big time.


      • auscitizenmom says:

        You certainly are. (Glad to see you again) 🙂


  7. 7delta says:

    There was/is a large sense of irony in Trump delivering where the republican party has failed, and yet the party itself seemed less than accepting of the new, more broad, coalition.

    There has always been something “off” about the GOP’s “big tent” narrative. Like Dems and the media, to the GOP, everyone is neatly grouped, based on a physical characteristic or another characteristics that are useful to narrow or broaden a category. All Hispanics are one group. Blacks are one. Asians get little notice, but they get included when all non-white demographics are rolled into one big group, as if they’re all homogeneous in every way. People of color v. Whites.

    That’s a mighty presumptuous way to categorize people, but no one in either party or the media ever blink over this racial and ethnic stereotyping. Nobody wants to know or to talk about what any of the multiple facets of these demographics think about illegal immigration, refugee resettlement or bad immigration policy or how it’s impacted them. They’re all just one big generic non-white block.

    The GOP has never made any attempt to approach any of these people as individuals, as people of character who know right from wrong or as if they have any individuality at all. There’s always just a one-size-fits-all solution that each party puts their own spin on, then adjusts as necessary, to play to their base, but the differences between the two in the reality of outcome is thinner than a hair’s breadth.

    IOW, I don’t see any evidence that the GOP ever intended to broaden their base. It was a talking point, so they could keep supporting open borders, massive immigration, all the while keeping their donors happy. It’s about preserving the equilibrium of power both parties share. It really doesn’t matter who’s in power in Congress or the White House. It’s about continuing the gig…and the fundamental transformation of America into a system they think they’ll control, without having to really bother with the people.

    Then a fellow showed up with a pocketful of rocks, good aim and his sight set on Goliath. No one man (or woman) can save America, but he can place a few good hits, let Goliath expose his location, then create an opening that an insurgency of Americans, many of whom are tired of being categorized and dismissed by the political social engineers, can pour through to reclaim their own birthright and secure the same for their posterity.

    Trump is bringing Americans together, not neatly boxed demographics. IMO, that’s what’s making Goliath sweat like a chicken on a spit. They know that if Americans refuse to play the divide-and-conquer game and unite, they’re cooked.

    I’ve enjoyed reading your posts, Sundance, and the comments from your very astute readers. You all have great insight. You create your own opening to encourage people to think. I’ve learned a lot. Thanks.

    Liked by 5 people

    • nunya says:

      I like when they asked Cruz if he were the nominee how he was going to convince Trump voters to come along and he went back to his “if you’re part of the 65% who don’t support Donald Trump then vote for me” uhh, Teddy, the question was about getting some of the 35%.

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    • thurmrob says:

      The one aspect of this election cycle that encourages me the most is the number of young people getting engaged. They have been disenfranchised to the point they don’t even care what happens but all of a sudden there is a new interest. A few years back the feedback I received was “I don’t talk politics”. I am so proud of the young people in this nation for stepping up and I hope this works out for us all in the end.

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  8. Joe says:

    Last minute deciders. That is who Trump was targeting.

    The one area Trump has been weak in, is last minute deciders.

    Early voting and a solid base meant it was time to attack that weakness.

    I’m sure that was the strategy.


    • Riddick says:

      “Last minute deciders” is just another word for FRAUD.

      Do not be fooled. When these “last minute deciders” consistently break for one, and ONLY ONE candidate, across so many states now, it clearly shows FRAUD by GOPe. Busing entire teams to vote MULTIPLE TIMES, in a number of polling stations, as proven in KS last week, and then late, late “results” in LA, which also somehow, magically, ONLY HELPED Felito. Again. And again, and again. Some states even did not provide county by county break downs, a first, just to hide all the shenanigans they pulled. Those 6 states Felito SUPPOSEDLY won, including Texas, were ALL FRAUD. No doubt by now.

      Do not repeat news media and GOPe narrative of LIES. There is nothing that Trump can do about FRAUD when it is so ingrained by now in the GOPe voting aparatus, tested and refined through so many election cycles by now. They are all calling in favors now, just for their last Hurrah.


      • Joe says:

        Last minute deciders voting percentage has gone past the fraud line.

        Last minute deciders are narrative voters: the media is always creating a negative narrative, after the last debate, and it does sway the uninformed (classic last minute voter profile.)

        While there IS cheating, I think Trump’s strategy was excellent.

        Please don’t lecture me about being fooled. I don’t like it and I won’t be so nice next time.

        Liked by 1 person

      • andymilken says:

        Exactly. I know this blog does not “talk” much about the issue, but it is real. Not buying into this “civility” trap. They have spent so much efforts and resources and all of sudden just “capitulate”, not a chance? What’s changed? IMO, there are 2 scenarios, one- capitulation, which is a long-odds (i.e., so getting the Bushie clan “back” into the game just to give up, no), second- rigged voting machines in FL and OH. It might make a difference in OH because the polls are so much closer, so it won’t be too “obvious”, don’t know about FL. But it had happened before like KS, LA, OK (I didn’t list TX here because that his state but the spread was more than evidence there was “something” going on there, IA, we all knew what took place) where the polls were so “wrong” when the liar and cheater just “happened” to do so well in the last minute, literally. Minnesota was so obvious due to the bureaucrats’ mistake in releasing the “preliminary’ results before any voting occurred. I would not be “surprised” if the mailman’s son pull a “miracle” just like the liar and cheater did in ME.


  9. mtpatriot says:

    I was a flower grower when NAFTA was implemented and I can tell you from first hand experience that it killed the industry in the United States. 90% of the rose growers were out of business or moved to central America withing 2 years. Rubio needs to engage the brain instead of throwing out soundbites intended to make him look knowledgeable. These big trade deals are bad for the US and TPP will be another job killer.


  10. Riddick says:

    Just got my monthly new bill reminder from Verizon Mobile.


    We are way beyond hell at this point.

    Liked by 1 person

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