February 4th – 2016 Presidential Election – Open Discussion

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829 Responses to February 4th – 2016 Presidential Election – Open Discussion

  1. redlegleader68 says:

    Here’s an update for those of you following busTED’s Iowa problem: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/04/ted-cruz-voicemails-ben-carson-exclusive-audio/


  2. mark4trump says:

    Rush is pulling Operation Chaos on the Republicans. He’s trying to trip up Trump. If Rush succeeds Rubio/Cruz/Jeb will get the nomination. Trump has ticked me off — I’m done with him completely. We have to keep educating on Social Media & our personal contacts — I think we can get through all the fog especially with Trump leading the fight.

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  3. BAMAFan says:

    Looks like in addition to emails, the Cruz camp sent voice messages to its Iowa operatives. Someone kept the messages and what they say is going to blow this whole Carson smear up in Cruz’s face. Love it!

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  4. SharonKinDC says:

    Seeing a lot of comments about ‘ground game’ and interpreting that as going door to door…
    TBH, with all of the attention Trump receives, I am NOT sure of the value of going door to door. Very labor intensive, it’s possible a ‘volunteer’ actually undermines the candidate-even inadvertently, there are safety issues when going into an unknown area, etc. The process seems to work best when it’s for a local election with a candidate on a shoestring budget or relatively unknown candidate. Trump sells Trump better than anyone and its not like there aren’t plenty of opportunities to see/listen to him. Usually, we have candidates who either avoid excessive media or don’t present well. Just look how horrid Cruz appears now that some outlets have been showing him on the stump showing his ‘wit’ in attacking Trump with the ‘nuke Denmark’ comment. He looks & sounds like the ass he is.

    For those ‘helpful’ sorts who insist Trump has to do this, that, or the other thing, I would note ANYONE can do their own thing to GOTV for their preferred candidate. They don’t need a top-down, organized effort. Frankly, like much in life, when people voluntarily go and do something, without prompting or organizational structure, they’re likely to be far, far more motivated.

    It strikes me some think that using the same play book is what Trump should be ‘doing’. He’s ripped up the playbook. Yay for that!

    Trump is using earned media, his large rallies, and SM as a force multiplier.

    Fun wish: Would be a HOOT is if he drops some serious dough…during the Superbowl on an ad…perhaps about the culture of winning. At it’s heart that is the Trump campaign: winning for the US and our citizens. Massive audiences, wide demo, AND since he’s self-funding, he gets a discounted rate. Be curious if something shows up on Sunday. If not, no big deal, but I like the optics of a stealth big splash like that. Would be followed w/ the Verizon Center rally Monday night…then Primary on Tuesday.

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    • LawrencePaul says:

      Great post.

      Liked by 1 person

    • (No Longer A) Bystander says:

      i volunteered to make calls for Donald Trump’s campaign. They do give you a script, but I speak from my heart.

      Today I spoke with a lady from New Hampshire who told me I was the very first person from the Trump campaign that had ever called her and she appreciated hearing from me.

      You can tell the undecideds are giving Donald Trump their consideration because someone from the Trump campaign has contacted them.

      Reaching out to people one on one makes a difference especially the undecided. This is exactly how Obama was successful, i.e. OFA. He was a community organizer using community organizing principles. Elections are won in the trenches by the volunteers who make the contacts and get people to go to the polls.

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    • Notmeagain says:

      Another part of the ground game, this sounds stupid but I think it’s true, people like to see/be able to call at a visible structure. There were several people days ago complaining in Michigan and other places that they would call and call and no one answered. Other people want to look at the headquarters and make a judgement about what kind of people are there. I agree, door-to-door people are not so effective. In fact I try to avoid them, there are already too many around. But, if I met one from the opposition I would be glad to talk to them. 😉


    • WeThePeople2016 says:

      Well said post.


  5. Well stated post. Let Trump be Trump and like you said “anyone can do their own thing to GOTV”.

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  6. winky says:

    So now that Cruz has shown his tru colors Limbaugh now loves Rubio and apparently is suggesting Operation Chaos which I am sure Rove Nd Bush have already thought about because they are such slime…so what is next for Limbaugh when Rubio is shown to be the total fraud he is? What can we all do to this slimy Rush?

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  7. NHVoter says:

    Cruz campaign left voicemails for Cruz precinct captains before voting began saying that Carson would be suspending his campaign & not to vote for Carson:

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  8. chasingfacts says:

    U.S. eyes ways to toughen fight against domestic extremists
    Reuters By Julia Harte, Julia Edwards and Andy Sullivan Reuters February 4, 2016

    This story on Drudge today. Worth reading.
    “WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Justice Department is considering legal changes to combat what it sees as a rising threat from domestic anti-government extremists, senior officials told Reuters, even as it steps up efforts to stop Islamic State-inspired attacks at home.”


  9. NHVoter says:


  10. DaveNY says:

    Trump stop today

    Law and Order President

    Liked by 2 people

  11. nwtex says:

    Rice aides, Powell got classified info on personal email accounts
    Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:09pm EST

    Former Secretary of State Colin Powell and aides to his successor Condoleezza Rice both received classified emails on personal email accounts, the top Democrat on a congressional oversight panel said on Thursday.



    • Howie says:

      Arrests them all.


    • moogey says:

      nwtex, it is common knowledge that Powell, Rice, etc., had personal email accounts, and it is possible that they received classified info. What Reuters fails to tell the reader is that in these instances, at the end of their terms, these individuals sat down with archivists and determined what was government and what was personal.

      What Reuters is doing is trying to use more smoke to cover the fire. What Powell & Rice didn’t do, was set up an unsecured server and reroute Government electronic data so that it was concealed from government oversight, judicial requests and the American people.

      If Reuters and the Administration can keep the public focused on the emails, the public will overlook how easily Treason was committed under Obama’s watchful eyes.

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  12. DaveNY says:

    It struck me today while watching the cops take selfies with Trump and have seen Trump taking a lot of photos and selfies with the voters. I asked myself what are these people are going to do with the selfies? They are going to post them on twitter and fb and whoever follows them or are their friends will see these photos. The supporter can thus publicly display their support for Trump to a larger audience. Say he takes 100 selfies today you then multiply that by however many followers/friends those 100 people have. Think of it along the lines of putting out a Trump lawn sign but more modern and MORE PERSONAL.

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  13. Concerned says:

    New CNN poll conducted after the Iowa caucus. Trump 29, Rubio 18, Cruz 12, Kasich 11, Bush 10, Christie 5.3, Fiorina 3.5, Carson 2.8



    • Concerned says:

      I like the polls that simply ask if someone intends to vote the Republican ballot. NH is open, right? Nobody needs to be officially Republican, right? So there’s no need for any poll to limit participants to only Republican or historically-Republican voters.


      • Concerned says:

        People complained about the Iowa voters. Only 41% of the New Hampshire poll respondents have “definitely decided” who they are going to vote for! All of the info about the candidates has been out there for people to research for several months. How could so few people be fully decided less than a week before the primary???

        Also want to point out high percentage, 37%, who say they would definitely not vote for Trump but relatively low, 13%, would definitely not vote for Cruz. This seems an odd result to me with Trump as the overall poll leader. I think we know, and this has been verified by several polls, that Trump supporters are firmly decided. And I have yet to find a Trump supporter who is willing to vote for Cruz, every one I know can’t stand Cruz. Am I wrong or is the poll wrong?


        • Kay Elle says:

          I maintain that the “undecideds” just say that to keep the candidate $$$ flowing into their communities as long as possible. It’s like “I know who I’m going to marry, but boy it sure is sweet to have all these hopeful suitors bringing me flowers and candy.”


    • winky says:

      How can Kasich and Bush be polling this high?


  14. LoreneTN says:

    For those of you who, like me, like watching Trump interact with the crowd after the rallies, check this out:

    So much fun to see him with the Manchester, NH policemen and policewomen. He patiently takes the time to give everyone a chance for a photo with him. I don’t know why more people can’t see how wonderful this man is and how much he truly loves the USA.

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  15. Jayne says:

    Well, Megyn Kelly is co-hosting the March debate. I would so love to see Fox tank. Really, really, tank.

    Liked by 1 person

  16. nwtex says:

    Paula Jones Gives Thumbs Up: ‘I Like Donald Trump!’
    Published on Feb 4, 2016

    Liked by 3 people

  17. TexasRanger says:

    ABC News Hosts “New Hampshire: The Republicans Debate” in Partnership with WMUR, Independent Journal Review, RNC and Saint Anselm College

    Primetime Coverage Starts Saturday, February 6, 2016 at 8:00 p.m., ET in Manchester, New Hampshire

    ABC News is partnering with ABC affiliate WMUR, Independent Journal Review, the Republican National Committee and Saint Anselm College to host “New Hampshire: The Republicans Debate” on Saturday, February 6, 2016. Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos kicks-off pre debate coverage at 8:00 p.m. ET with the powerhouse ABC News politics team in New Hampshire.

    “World News Tonight” Anchor David Muir and Co-Anchor of “This Week” and Chief Global Affairs Correspondent Martha Raddatz will moderate the debate. The debate will air live nationally on the ABC Television Network, locally on WMUR-TV and will be live streamed on ABCNews.com and across ABC News’ mobile and OTT platforms.

    An on-demand replay of the debate will be made available across these platforms as well. WMUR anchor Josh McElveen, along with conservative journalist and blogger Mary Katharine Ham, will join Muir and Raddatz in questioning the candidates.

    The following candidates have gained an invitation to the ABC News Republican Presidential debate on February 6, 2016 per the criteria announced by ABC News on January 27, 2016.

    The candidates will take the stage at 8:15 p.m. ET in the following order from left to right:
    John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Chris Christie

    Carly Fiorina Excluded from next GOP debate, ABC News announces – Politico Feb-04-2016:

    See Full Story By ABC NEWS PR Feb-04-2016:


  18. Alaska Bear says:

    Waiting for the Feel the Bern / Clinton debate disaster about to start, I see an ad which goes something like: “The person who says ‘It can’t be done!’ should not interrupt the person who is doing it.”

    And that’s pretty much my feeling about the second guessers, the Monday morning quarterbackers, and all the naysayers in general.

    I agree with everyone who says, “Let Trump be Trump.” He is new to politics, sure, but not new to business, not new to winning, and NOT new to game changers. Two, three, four generations from now, political science classes will be studying this specific election cycle and pinpoint it as what revolutionized the campaign process, and – hopefully – what saved the country.

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  19. WeThePeople2016 says:

    Greta Van Susteren GOES OFF on Cruz Camp Dirty Tricks: “HORRIBLE!… Appalling!… SHAME on Cruz Campaign!”

    Liked by 2 people

  20. marierogers says:

    cnn’s anderson cooper just did a great interview with trump..great questions from audience..
    worth watching! cnn seems to be fairer than faux..

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  21. snaggletooths says:

    Phony GOP Establishment Preaches “Do As I Say, Not As I Do”

    Dr. Ben Carson and Donald Trump are RIGHT for trying to get SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY to hear what We, the People are saying! The shenanigans in the bogus Iowa vote count tell you what the GOP machine is all about. It’s sick. It rails against Obama’s unethical practice of never holding his people accountable when they engage in obvious deception, yet must idolize the guy because they’re doing the same thing he does.

    No more politics as usual! These corrupt, unaccountable actions of typical politicians are why our Republic is in jeopardy. Carson and Trump: you are right, and shame on these establishment shills and candidates for trying to sweep their deception under the rug. THIS is why the status quo has got to go.

    Carry the torch on this, Carson and Trump supporters. Ignore the pundits telling us to sit down and shut up. Don’t make our candidates do it alone. We, the People must be heard.

    Sarah Palin

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  22. nwtex says:

    Andrea Tantaros is a star in my eyes. Lowry needs some manners and a smack down….not necessarily in that order.
    He can’t shine Andrea’s shoes.

    National Review’s Rich Lowry Takes Fire from Outnumbered Panel on Trump; You’re ‘Really, Really Rude
    Published on Feb 2, 2016

    After FNC’s Outnumbered offered near unanimous condemnation of National Review’s anti-Donald Trump issue and editor-in-chief Rich Lowry a few weeks ago, Lowry responded as a guest host on Tuesday’s show and not surprisingly was bombarded with criticism and accused of being “elitist,” “really, really rude,” and part of “the establishment” for having “insulted” voters by opposing Trump.

    The show started late with live footage of a Hillary Clinton rally in New Hampshire but co-host Andrea Tantaros started right afterward by turning to Lowry and declaring that he “took a lot of blowback on that cover” and demanded to know why he celebrated Trump’s loss to Ted Cruz.

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  23. Oh , oh…looks like Fiorina didn’t qualify for ABC debate.. BOO HOO.

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  24. EJ says:

    Second night in a row O’Reilley brought up the Cruz scandal and had a guest on (yesterday Rove – today Goldberg) and ALL THREE OF THEM agreed with Trump. We know their bias, but you can’t really argue with Donald’s solid principals.

    Cnn has Donald in an interview with Cooper. And it’s really really good. They treat him pretty fair, which is good.

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  25. Trust No One says:

    Hope this hasn’t been posted. This isn’t a very good article, but the picture of Wallace is priceless. lol

    Throngs of supporters, and reporters too, were turned away as only 450 were let inside a historic town hall to hear The Donald speak. Outside, a line of cars clogged the town.

    Among the unlucky: Fox News Channel’s Chris Wallace, the moderator of the network’s last debate, an affair Trump skipped claiming that co-moderator Megyn Kelly was ‘biased.’

    ‘Fire marshal just turned a perplexed Chris Wallace & Fox News away,’ tweeted Cook Political Report scribe Dave Wasserman, who took in the scene.

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  26. reireichan80 says:

    HI everyone, my name is Rachel and I like many of you gave been a long time, well to be perfectly honest, life long republican whose cold anger at constant betrayal of the party I had devoted a considerable amount of my personal time and money into has just seethed until I can’t even take seeing any of those establishment flunkies on my tv anymore.

    Once upon a time however, back in the mid 2000’s when I was a true believer in the GOP, I was involved with what maybe called a provocateur group who would confer protest the big war protests that were all the rage for almost 5 years, but magically disappeared when the other party took office. I was never able to attend a counter protest, because life and money made it impossible at the time, I was involved online very actively however and learned a very important lesson. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing.

    As this movement continues to grow, the opposition party is going to try and infiltrate. Whether it be other GOP candidate workers, or democrats. They have people on their payrolls to do it. You will see the most obvious ones that do the basic what as known as sh¡t posting, those can be easily dealt with. What you guys have to be on the lookout for are the ones that try to subtly steer the conversations into places they don’t belong or out of the complete contex of the original post. Those can be trickier to spot. I’ll go on later, but I’ve eaten up so much space already.

    Love, peace and build the wall!


  27. helenerbrown says:

    Megyn Kelly was on ABC GMA this morning (why can’t she stay in her on lane?) and commented about the dust up with Trump by adding that it was uncomfortable to be the news. Right. She also said she saved his last questions for the next Fox debate. She told George that women get more nasty backlash on social media driven by comments like “bimbo”. (Is Murdoch buying Disney?)


  28. Craig w smith says:

    I will support Donald Trump ! , not Cruz , Rubio , Especially Romney & Ryan !!!
    If not Trump , I will write in another straight – shooter Phil Robertson . The
    Choice is yours !!!
    Great , another 4 / 8 yrs of the Zombie – Lemmings !!! Another Pied-piper Marxist !!!


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