San Bernardino Terrorist Attack – Search For Clues Continues At Seccombe Lake

Consider this an open thread to catch up and discuss ongoing events...

( Via LA TIMES ) FBI investigators on Friday were expected to continue their days-long search of a lake in San Bernardino for electronics discarded by the shooters in last week’s deadly terrorist attack. But whether any devices were actually left behind and what value they might hold remains unclear.

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David Zimmerman, chief executive of Clearwater, Fla.-based data recovery firm LC Technology International, said investigators have a strong chance of accessing the data from any water-submerged digital devices even if they’ve been in there for more than a week.  (link)

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102 Responses to San Bernardino Terrorist Attack – Search For Clues Continues At Seccombe Lake

  1. agryphon says:

    They better not wipe ’em with a cloth!

    Liked by 6 people

  2. Ziiggii says:

    Confusion About ‘Third Suspect’ in San Bernardino

    Questions swirl on social media about a “third suspect” in the San Bernardino terror attack, despite the public statements of law enforcement attesting that only two shooters were involved.

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/12/11/confusion-third-suspect-san-bernardino/

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  3. Ziiggii says:

    And nothing in the air today

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Here comes the Mus|im “Big One”… ?

    At 3:50 AM a group of “Middle Eastern” (Mus|im) men walked into five Walmarts in the Kansas City, MO area and paid cash for over 200 untraceable cellphones.

    http://fox4kc.com/2015/12/09/multiple-cell-phone-purchases-at-3-missouri-walmarts-raise-suspicions/

    Why isn’t this all over the MSM?

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  5. dizzymissl says:

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  6. hocuspocus13 says:

    There were people investigating this group about a year ago or so and was actually achieving getting information

    The State Dept DHS made them shut their investigating down and deleted all their files

    A Whistleblower has come forth and was on Kelly File last night

    It is believed that the terrorist attack could have been prevented if they were able to continue with the investigation

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    • nwtex says:

      Whistleblower: DHS Pulled Plug on Surveillance That Could’ve ID’ed CA Terrorists

      Liked by 3 people

      • Ziiggii says:

        Whistleblower: DHS Pulled Plug on Surveillance That Could’ve ID’ed CA Terrorists | Fox News Insider
        http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/10/whistleblower-says-he-could-have-prevented-ca-attack-if-government-didnt-cut-funding

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        • FTA:

          Haney said they got a visit from the State Department and the Homeland Security Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, who said that tracking these groups was problematic because they were Islamic.

          Problematic for who? Our muslim-in-chief, barack hussein obama?

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          • taqiyyologist says:

            And yet, when they attack and do their usual atrocities, we’re told BY THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE, that these groups are NOT ISLAMIC.

            Read the paragraph again. We must stop investigating them because it would be “problematic”, which is a new word meaning “would make people feel bad and sue us”, because these groups are ISLAMIC. And then when they attack, we are told that these groups are NOT ISLAMIC.

            Amazing. Utterly amazing.

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          • nimrodman says:

            “tracking these groups was problematic because they were Islamic.”

            Would it be “problematic” if they were Catholic? Baptist? Lutheran? Hindu? Animist? Atheist?

            Would DHS not track suspicious and potentially dangerous behavior by adherents of those other religions / philosophies? Why is Islamic “problematic” and “cannot track” but not the others?

            Didn’t we use to have a clause in our Constitution of Bill of Rights, something about “equal protection under the law”?

            Recent regimes have established protected and favored classes in America, to America’s detriment.

            America is a nation of equals no longer.

            High-minded and hard-fought ideals of our founding fathers down the proverbial toilet.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        Transfer from last thread:

        The 2 groups Haney references in his interview are:
        Tablighi Jamaat

        is an Islamic global proselytizing movement. The movement was started in 1927 by Muhammad Ilyas al-Kandhlawi in India, which was the dream of his teacher Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi. It primarily aims at Tablighi spiritual reformation by working at the grass roots level, reaching out to Muslims across social and economic spectra to bring them in line with the group’s understanding of Islam.

        Tablighi Jamaat came forth as an offshoot of the Deobandi movement. Its inception is stated to be a response to perceived deteriorating moral values and a supposed negligence of aspects of Islam. It expanded from local to national to an international movement, and now claims to have over 20 Million followers in over 210 countries.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablighi_Jamaat

        Deobandi

        The movement developed as a reaction to British colonialism in India, which was believed by a group of prominent Indian scholars to be corrupting the Islamic religion. They therefore founded an Islamic seminary known as Darul Uloom Deoband. From here the Islamic revivalist and anti-imperialist ideology of the Deobandis began to develop. Gradually Darul Uloom Deoband became the second largest focal point of Islamic teachings and research after the Al-Azhar University, Cairo, Egypt.
        […]
        Deobandi in India differs from other forms of the practice because it has been influenced more strongly by the Wahhabi movement. As a result, some Deobandis may prefer to use the term Wahhabi to describe themselves or may identify as members of both movements.
        […]
        Some 20 per cent of Pakistan’s Sunni Muslims would consider themselves Deobandi and according to Heritage Online, nearly 65% of the total seminaries (Madrasah) in Pakistan are run by Deobandis … The Deobandi movement in Pakistan was a major recipient of funding from Saudi Arabia from the early 1980s up until the early 2000s, whereby this funding was pulled in favour of the rival Ahl al-Hadith movement. Having seen Deoband as a counterbalance to Iranian influence in the region, Saudi funding is now strictly reserved for the Ahl al-Hadith.
        […]
        In the United Kingdom:
        According to a 2007 investigation by The Times, about 600 of Britain’s nearly 1,500 mosques were under the control of “a hardline sect”, whose leading preacher loathed Western values, called on Muslims to “shed blood” for Allah and preached contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus. The same investigative report further said that 17 of the country’s 26 Islamic seminaries follow the ultra-conservative Deobandi teachings which had given birth to the Taliban. According to Times almost 80% of all domestically (UK) trained Ulema (those recognized as scholars or authorities) were being trained in these hardliner seminaries.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi

        Couple things to NOTE:
        1) The Deobandi movement is prominent in Pakistan and they are directly linked to 5 terrorist organizations: Army of Jhangvi (Lashkar-e-Jhangvi [LJ]), Taliban (Afghan), Pakistani Taliban (TTP), Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and an offshoot of the SSP the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM).
        3) There are a disproportionately high number of followers of Deobandi in Indian politics in various positions when compared to members of other Muslim movements.
        2) The Muscoy mosque is named – “Dar Al Uloom Al Islamiyah-Amer”. It just must be a coincidence that the major Deobandi seminary is named “Darul Uloom Deoband”. NOTHING TO SEE HERE….. move along please.

        The Times (UK) article quoted in the Wiki page has been removed from online. I have not been able to locate it anywhere.

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        • Ziiggii says:

          More connections to corroborate Haney’s statement that this could have been stopped if the investigation wasn’t railroaded here:

          https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/12/10/u-s-intel-confirm-isis-generating-fake-syrian-passports-trump-is-right-time-to-stop-everything/#comment-1816770

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        • Notmeagain says:

          Thanks. This jumped at me:
          a reaction to British colonialism
          Who do we know who hates all things related to British colonialism? Same person had a dear friend in Pakistan and went to visit him. Same person had an offbeat mom who worked, supposedly, in Pakistan for an outfit that may have had CIA connections. The same brainiacs who were setting up Al-Queda around then. What can it all mean in the connection of the current state of Islamic unrest? Hmm…. /s

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        • jakeandcrew says:

          Here’s a little more info about these Islamic groups:

          *Some background on Tablighi Jamaat via the Middle East Quarterly:

          Tablighi Jamaat has always adopted an extreme interpretation of Sunni Islam, but in the past two decades, it has radicalized to the point where it is now a driving force of Islamic extremism and a major recruiting agency for terrorist causes worldwide. For a majority of young Muslim extremists, joining Tablighi Jamaat is the first step on the road to extremism. Perhaps 80 percent of the Islamist extremists in France come from Tablighi ranks, prompting French intelligence officers to call Tablighi Jamaat the “antechamber of fundamentalism.”[12] U.S. counterterrorism officials are increasingly adopting the same attitude. “We have a significant presence of Tablighi Jamaat in the United States,” the deputy chief of the FBI’s international terrorism section said in 2003, “and we have found that Al-Qaeda used them for recruiting now and in the past.”

          **And via GlobalSecurity.org, some info on Deobandi Islam:

          The Deobandi interpretation holds that a Muslim’s first loyalty is to his religion and only then to the country of which he is a citizen or a resident; secondly, that Muslims recognise only the religious frontiers of their Ummah and not the national frontiers; thirdly,that they have a sacred right and obligation to go to any country to wage jihad to protect the Muslims of that country.

          The Deobandi interpretation of Islamic teachings is widely practiced in Pakistan. The Deobandi movement in Sunni Islam, was founded in response to British colonial rule in India and later hardened in Pakistan into bitter opposition to what its members views as the country’s neo-colonial elite. The Islamic Deobandi militants share the Taliban’s restrictive view of women, and regard Pakistan’s minority Shiia as non-Muslim. They seek a pure leader, or amir, to recreate Pakistani society according to the egalitarian model of Islam’s early days under the Prophet Mohammed. President Musharraf himself, is a Deobandi, actually born in the city in India, where the school took it’s name.

          https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/11/dhs-whistleblower-says-his-investigation-could-have-prevented-san-bernardino-terrorist-attack

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  7. nwtex says:

    Homeland Security deployed hi-tech spy plane which scoops up tens of thousands of phone calls at one time above San Bernardino for days after massacre
    11 December 2015

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3356608/So-terrorists-Homeland-Security-deployed-hi-tech-spy-plane-scoops-tens-thousands-phone-calls-one-time-San-Bernardino-days-massacre.html

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  8. Ziiggii says:

    Islamic State Manifesto Details Paris Attacks, Describes Expansion Plans
    by John Rossomando IPT News December 11, 2015 Terrorists behind last month’s Paris attacks modeled their assault on tactics developed by Al-Qaida in Iraq, now the Islamic State (ISIS), during the Iraq War, according to a new Islamic State manifesto, “Black Flags From the Islamic State.”Originally disclosed last week by the Investigative Project on Terrorism […]
    Paris attacks, Bilal Hafdi, John Rossomando, How to Survive in the West: A Mujahid’s Guide, ISIS, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Black Flags From the Islamic State, cell structures, Mubin Shaikh, Counter Jihad Report, AbdelSalam Salah
    http://counterjihadreport.com/2015/12/11/islamic-state-manifesto-details-paris-attacks-describes-expansion-plans/

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  9. mazziflol says:

    In reference to Enrique Marquez
    He would say stuff like: ‘There’s so much going on. There’s so many sleeper cells, so many people just waiting. When it happens, it’s going to be big. Watch,’”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/us/enrique-marquez-san-bernardino-attacks.html?_r=1

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  10. BobNoxious says:

    NBC is leading off tonight w/ a supposed fire bombing of a mosque in about 90 minutes away from San Bernardino, CA!

    http://abc7.com/news/blaze-in-coachella-mosque-possibly-erupts-from-firebomb/1119231/

    Get ready for Obama et al., to highlight this to the extreme. Maybe it’ll turn out to be another “fake hare crime” like we saw in Ferguson post Mike Brown.

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  11. bertdilbert says:

    Pres Jimmy Carter banning Iranian immigration…

    http://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=9787014

    ABC Breaking News | Latest News Videos

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  12. Paco Loco says:

    The TV show “24” was so presient. We are in a race against time and the jihadis are being given cover by Obama and his justice dept. it sure sounds like the Midwestern muzzles are about to unleash hell somewhere in Kansas City.

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  13. nimrodman says:

    Cool. I just watched the lead segment on Greta’s show and it was Adam Housely, I think (Brit-sounding guy) onsite at Secombe Lake.

    He was talking about links between Farook and Marquez and some other jihadi bad enough that the voice-over was over a courtroom sketch of this guy shackled and sitting at the defendant’s desk.

    Next graphic was a satellite map of the Pomona basin there in LA area, with 4 named mosques denoted by red squares. Voice over was that “this guy went to this mosque, this other guy went to this other mosque, etc … but they’re all rather close together”.

    I was pleased to see this graphic.

    Number 1, it’s alerting Joe Citizen that there are plenty of mosques in his Joe Community.

    Number 2, Fox breaks thru the PC barrier with this kind of presentation, the PC edict that these terrorist attacks have “NOTHING to do with islam” and that mosques are holy places of worship where – by no means – should surveillance or listening devices ever be used to, you know, maybe catch some jihadi plotting and weapons talk. That sort of thing.

    So I’ve been pleased by Fox on a couple counts this week. The other one was the Philip Haney interview, the DHS investigator that was dog-collared, shut down, and had his security clearance revoked for his investigation of potential networks of questionable actors.

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    • nimrodman says:

      Ah, it’s Jonathon Hunt with the Brit accent on Fox. Not exactly sure why we need a Brit, but I guess he’s doing the jobs American journalists won’t do.

      Hey, I like Brits. Not really a problem. More and more, they’ll be escaping the Islamic hell-hole their “leaders” have created back in their home country. We should welcome them with open arms, so long as they support American values and ideals. Plus, they sent us some good music 50 years ago. And there was that Magna Carta, and all.

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  14. taqiyyologist says:

    nimrodman

    …The other one was the Philip Haney interview, the DHS investigator that was dog-collared, shut down, and had his security clearance revoked for his investigation of potential networks of questionable actors…

    …for the reason that it would be “problematic” and cause badfeelz, because these actors ARE ISLAMIC.

    And when they attack, we are told by the same people who shut down the investigation, that these groups and actors are NOT ISLAMIC.

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    • nimrodman says:

      thanks taqiyy.

      yeah, I know the purported “reason” – I just like to point out the hypocrisy of it any chance I get.

      as you do, quite rightly, by pointing out the “Islamic / NOT Islamic” dichotomy (or should I say schizophrenia?) that the mooslem apologists so willfully embrace.

      sometimes ya just gotta vent. a positive side to the venting, though, is that by venting on forums, social media, and in email to friends and families, we thereby help to awaken more and more of our citizens.

      I first got my awakening during the Zim trial. somewhat here at Treehouse, but also it was dawning on me before I really stumble into treehouse partway thru the trial.

      I was watching CNN coverage of the trial all day, having recently retired and had the time to spare. They’d have live footage of the trial, then cut to commentary and discussion groups, all seeded with Trayvon family and spokesdroids, and in sync with the news anchors the narrative they were putting out was “shot that poor boy down like a dog for just walking thru the neighborhood”, plus endless wailing and gnashing about stand-your-ground laws.

      Meanwhile, the trial footage is showing the neighbor’s testimony about that “poor boy” on top the other fellow and raining down blows “martial-arts style.”

      I go “hmmmm – this sounds like a simple self-defense case to me. Fellow was flat on his back being pummelled and head bashed into the sidewalk, there weren’t no ground the fellow coulda been standing.”

      Sure enough – comes the verdict …

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  15. thesouthwasrght says:

    The fbi isn’t going to find anything they aren’t first allowed to find. They are so corrupt and so worthless anymore. Purely politicized to be good little yes people and at the same time weaponized against the people that pay their bills. No different from the epa and the irs.

    I actually have a couple in laws through my cousin that are fbi (one retired one still on the titty) and let us just say I don’t extend any airboat fishing trips their way.

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  16. Sandra says:

    New article says: A friend of Enrique Marquez said the former neighbor of San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook was paid to marry a Russian woman, ABC News reports. Nick Rodriguez said Marquez told him he received $5,000 to $10,000 for marrying the woman who is the sister of Farook’s brother’s wife. Rodriguez claimed Marquez walked through Morgan’s Tavern in Riverside saying, “Hey I got married today.” When Rodriguez asked Marquez about the marriage, he said Marquez stated he didn’t even live with the woman.

    http://abc7.com/news/friend-says-enrique-marquez-former-neighbor-of-syed-farook-was-paid-to-marry-woman/1119559/

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  17. Sandra says:

    FBI investigators on Friday recovered several items from a San Bernardino lake as they looked for electronics and other items left by the shooters in the most deadly terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, according to law enforcement sources. The source did not say what was found, but officials expect the search of Seccombe Lake and the canvassing of the surrounding neighborhood will continue. Investigators received a tip that the shooters may have visited the area on the day of the attack, according to David Bowdich, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles field office.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fbi-pulls-items-from-lake-in-san-bernardino-terrorism-investigation-source-says-20151211-story.html

    I hope we find out what they discovered, but we probably won’t. :-/

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    • Ziiggii says:

      “Investigators received a tip…”

      Say Whaaaa ? What kind of tip? It was all over the SBPD scanners! What is this, comedy night at the park?

      We’ll find out at least what it is they recovered. Maybe not much more than that, but we’ll know what it is. The is if SD’s “Ziiggii Theory” stands up; the FBI will want the cell to know what they have recovered to keep them scurrying around.

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    • Justice_099 says:

      The FBI is where investigations go to die. Well, I should say at least in the Obama admin. They have done little more than evidence confiscation and blocking. Like THE most important part of the Hillary investigation. Poof… siezed and will never see the light of day because of the endless ‘investigation.’

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    • bofh says:

      “I hope we find out what they discovered, but we probably won’t.”

      Jimmy Hoffa, Judge Crater, and bits of Malaysia Airlines MH370. Nothing of interest, however.

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    • John Galt says:

      Maybe they’re just trying to flush some jihadists out of the country or scare them back into their holes. Why is the FBI announcing all these details to the media?

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      • They are frightened for us and know the threat is real. That’s why they also told us about the missing pilots, the cell phones bought in bulk and the propane tanks disappearing etc, etc. Something’s up and they want to get out in front of Obama and his White Mosque.

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  18. marierogers says:

    from google: re a computer in water..i was curious about this.
    Would simply submerging the drive render it un-usable? No. Probably not to an experienced forensics or recovery team. What WILL kill the drive is corrosion of the platters, so it depends on what you add to the water, how long it stays in there, what the platters are made out of and how good the people trying to recover the data are.

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  19. Went the get done searching, do you think the news media will jump in to search the area themselves like they did the house?

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  20. Corporate America’s HR departments scour social media of prospective candidates. First level is passive without your knowledge – just a wide net cast by a program or service. Second level may include requiring you to provide accounts and respective passwords.

    This article really underscores the yawning thoroughness gap of the gubmint process.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html?_r=0

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  21. nimrodman says:

    DHS whistleblower Phillip Haney currently on Judge Jeannine Piro show on Fox. Look for re-broadcast Sunday.

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