November 13th – 2016 Presidential Election Open Thread

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  1. TexasRanger says:

    Mark Levin Interviews Donald Trump on Various Topics Nov-11-2015

    Donald Trump tells about his new book “Crippled America: How to Make America Great Again”. Also, Mark asks Donald Trump about the latest GOP debate, illegal immigration and other topics.

    Video – Audio from interview on Nov-11-2015:

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  2. Nanny G says:

    Well……there’s a ”draft Romney” movement by the GOPe.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/12/washington-post-gop-establishment-panic-calls-to-draft-romney/
    That’s a guarantee that Hillary will win, if he becomes the party’s nominee.
    But the panic over Bush’s failure leaves the GOPe with few options that leave them even looking like they want to win.

    I have neighbors in the same ”stake” of the LDS (Mormon) church with the Romney’s.
    According to them, Ann has far too many ”bad days” to work a campaign.
    (Or be an active 1st Lady.)

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    • Angry Dumbo says:

      God bless Romney, but he had his chance. Blew it at the debates. Candy Crowley knee capped him in the second debate, but he had no excuses for the third. He had Obama on the ropes and couldn’t put him away. Plus I recall one of his kids saying Romney didn’t want to run in the first place. If Romney is drafted, Trump will still beat him. The draft Romney movement is a sign of things to come as desperation sets in at GOPe HQ. There is no limit, in the end, I think the GOPe will get their hands dirty so Hillary doesn’t have to.

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  3. MMinLamesa says:

    I read that Cruz finally unloaded on Rubio for his Gang of 8 crap which as sd has noted elsewhere, wasn’t even brought up at the debate. Cruz has also conveniently now changed his position on H-1B visas-I still would vote for him(and probably only him) if Trump is taken out but damn, he’s looking mire and more like a typical swarm politician. Albeit one that at least frames most of his debate & policy points Constitutionally.

    I watched Trump in Iowa last night and dang, there is no one that has ever given speeches like that. I didn’t see him take on Rubio over the Gang of 8-I was making dinner and might have missed that. So he’s left that to Cruz?

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    • Luck is not all says:

      I didn’t hear Trump mentioning anything about Carson’s emmigration policies although he unloaded on Carson pretty well. Did he forget? I doubt it. He obviously considers Carson’s personality more vulnerable than his policies

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  4. phil fan says:

    Regarding the meltdown at Mizzou and Donalds response: (moved from other thread)

    Fascism is a tough sell in America. This is approaching Peak Fascism for the gullible youth. The counter-reaction is commencing with MSM beginning to think an adult should step forward. TPTB will not tolerate another stretch of counter culture baloney such as the 60s.scared the TPTB with.

    In the middle of this mindless commie rot steps Donald Trump. The Sheriff. .Away with the fascist-racist horde. Down with them!.

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  5. shelleybear66 says:

    Good morning friends! I hope that all of you slept well! I did not. I wish that I did not witness what I did last night. I watched my 1000% absolute choice for President…have a meltdown. I do not want to even say this aloud…but it happened.

    Mr. Trump was clearly exhausted and frustrated and angry in Iowa. Firstly, he blasted Carson ( whom I do not like @ all) for 9 minutes! This would be fine..however he brought the term “Child molester” in as to compare with someone with “pathological disease”. He did not say Carson was child molester…just bringing the term up will give the talking heads a huge weapon against him.

    Secondly, he stated that he would “blast the shit” out of ISIS and “ring” the oil fields and take the oil. This if fine with me…but a “softer” person would be frightened by his manner.

    Lastly, he asked ” How STUPID are the people of Iowa” for believing Carson and all of his lies. Then went into a bathroom…and God saved him.

    The packed rally was deathly silent while this was happening. I was begging Mr. Trump to “stop”..(to my TV), but it was too late.

    I volunteer for his campaign in Ohio, have car sticker and yard sign. I am still 1000% supporter…but this meltdown is going to haunt him. I feel sick. I hope that I am wrong.

    God Bless to all of my friends on here…and let’s hope that voters can forgive him and see the “Big Picture” and still cast their vote for Mr. Trump.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Good morning shelleybear! Mr. Trump appears to me to be in long game. One must brutally expose brtual truths. I, too, cringed at Mr. Trump’s words last night, but this morning I was left with questions about Carson. May I suggest – reflect on the rally last night in a few days. What are your feelings then? What mental connections are you remembering? Mr. Trump is far from the only one questioning Carson, only the others use prettier words. Brutal truths require brutal words, and we have avoided brutal truths and allowed the PC culture for far too long, don’t you think? Will see ya at the Ohio rally – dress warm!

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      • shelleybear66 says:

        Thank you! I just want Mr. Trump to be our President SO badly…I am nervous. I live in the Southwest portion of Ohio, and believe our “headquarters” will be in Kettering. Are you also in this area? Thanks and have a great day! 🙂

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        • jeans2nd says:

          I am north of our Mason-Dixon line – North Coast. Am guessing rally will be in Columbus but who knows? Had another thought during the day (always dangerous) – if Carson becomes the nominee, what do you think Hillary will do to him? And how would Carson react? Hmmm..

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      • yohio says:

        You know when the ohio rally is? Or just saying when there is one.

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      • WSB says:

        Trump is a master at negative subliminal marketing. He manages to place a bad image in your mind about each of his competitors. Carson wrote about his pathological disease himself. Fair game.

        This morning there are new allegations about Carson’s relationship with Alfonso Costa. We’ll see how this turns out.

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      • Plain Jane says:

        Shelleybears’ and your comment jeans2nd have prompted a lot of intelligent and thoughtful comments. Thank you. I didn’t hear the whole Trump speech last night, but went away a tad uneasy, thinking, “Why the heck did he do that.”

        This morning while listening on the radio to a rehash of Trump’s comments I realized my first impression of Carson was right – there is something not right in his demeanor. I’m no psychiatrist, and I’m very concerned about “pooh-pooing” a complete cure for a mental pathology (I know God can do anything), BUT, it dawned on me that Trump wouldn’t risk “indicting” someone for a mental illness unless Trump was aware of something that isn’t public knowledge. I am wondering IF or HOW controlled by meds is Carson’s (former?) pathology. How controlled is this man by his handlers.

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    • yohio says:

      I posted this on the other thread feel it bares repeating.When are people going to makeup their minds, they want Trump to go after these candidates and then people start to panic, it’s to much. Oh my people the point he is making is BEN CARSON wrote this stuff in his own BOOK. So if true pretty crazy and has huuuuggee anger problems or if it’s lies is he the guy you want in the White House. Everyone thinks he is such a nice guy because he talks softly and is religious, yet he wants us for some reason to think otherwise. WHY? Have we forgot a lot of Catholic Priests were thought to be nice and religious!! Something here just isn’t right. As far as the stupid comment, I can remember several posts here and myself saying how stupid can people be for falling for this stuff, and or thinking it’s okay to stab people or lie. So we get are wish again he is o.oh repeating what a lot of us are saying and thinking.

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      • dondeg says:

        Carson’s demeanor is very scary. At least Trump is out in the open, which is a form of honesty. Carson is like a covered boiling pot of water. You just know at some point the lid is going to blow off. Also, as I’ve said elsewhere on the blog, Carson is an MD. I have worked with MDs for over 25 years now. They all have God complexes. Which they need to patch up sick and dying people and to cope with the fact that half the time, the people die anyway. But it is NOT the kind of mindset that works for being President. In other words: MD culture and political culture mix like oil and water, meaning they don’t mix.

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        • CNS says:

          I second your statements, dondeg! I am a retired physician, and was in Dr. Carson”s specialty (not pediatric neurosurgery, however). I have contended all along that Carson cannot transfer the world he has resided in for all these years to the political arena! I personally believe he is on an ego trip and really does not fully understand what he is getting himself into. I will however admit that I don’t think it was wise of Trump to do what he did in Iowa. But I still support him!

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          • dondeg says:

            Thanks for the reinforcement. I thought of another Carson “branding” while replying to a comment on Youtube. Carson is like mild-mannered Bruce Banner. We just don’t know when he’ll turn into the Hulk! “Don’t make me angry. You won’t like me when I’m angry”. hehe.

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          • dondeg says:

            I should have asked, where you a pediatrician? I worked with ER docs for years (here in the heart of Detroit!) and got some sense of what the world looks like through their eyes. Pretty grim.

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            • CNS says:

              Dondeg, I was a neurosurgeon. The subspecialty of Pediatric neurosurgery had not come into its own at the time. As an aside I interned at Detroit Receiving in the 60’s,

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              • dondeg says:

                OMG, talk about a small world! Do you know A. Underwood? I sat on the PhD committees of several neurosurg residents. Nice people. Something about the extra 4 years cleans that surgeon arrogance out of the system. FYI, my all time favorite scientist is Wilder Penfield! Thanks for sharing CNS.

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              • dondeg says:

                haha, I think I get the “CNS” now!

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        • bofh says:

          Doctors, especially surgeons, are not “big picture” people. Just the opposite. They are, by nature and/or training, focussed on one patient at a time. How could it be otherwise? As a patient, you need to know that your doctor is focussed, at least for now, solely on you and your situation. Focussed so deeply that the rest of the world outside of the operative field ceases to exist. That’s how it works.

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          • dondeg says:

            Haha, you don’t work in medicine, do you? Surgeons take a class called “I am God and you aren’t”. Sorry, it’s an inside medicine joke. If you know any physicians, just ask them about the surgeons.

            But to speak to your point, it’s even deeper than you suspect. The current understanding of biology and medicine is full of holes and flaws that cause these professionals to think in a certain way. It is pragmatic, which is a strength, but it is not the most intellectual thing on the block. They revel in the obscurity of their acronyms and think that arrows connecting symbols constitutes explanations. What I am saying is, by the nature of their training, they do not see, nor do they try to see, to the heart of things. That is why Western medicine is better at treating symptoms than causes.

            My favorite medicine story illustrates my point. Semmelweis. In the 1840s he discovered that washing your hands between treating patients decreased patient deaths by almost 90%. The medical establishment of his day thought he was a total kook, no one took him seriously, and Semmelweis died in obscurity. See for more info:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis

            I’ll stop here, otherwise I won’t! Thank you!

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    • Luck is not all says:

      I was uneasy as you are till I discussed it with the male members of my family. They were all for it. They loved it. So I slept well after all .He gave Iowa an ultimatum: you select Carson and you know what is in store for you. Don’t say that I did’t warn you. I myself think that the Carson thing is just all an invention of his handlers including FB and all

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    • NVA Patriot says:

      Don’t worry, AMERICANS are past all that. We’re done with GOPe and all of their lying. Donald Trump could dress in a tutu and swear about any candidate for 2 hours and he is still a better choice than ANY other candidate R or D on stage.

      The technique he is using is a tried and true negotiating technique to move the “negotiated items on the table” to be larger and larger and further and further away from what your negotiating opponent is accustomed to. Look at ‘Amnesty.” Trump started with building a barrier, something that I thought all agreed to in 2006 but was no where discussed in 2015. By summer it was all about that barrier. in fall, we started talking employment by end of fall it was barrier (wall) and H1b Visas. Now the scope has been expanded to Deportation, wall, and employment just as we go into Christmas where polls freeze.

      Mr. Trump is ‘filling the Christmas tree’ with issues on his terms and forcing the others to debate HIS issues on HIS terms. He moved the narrative to his turf. Now anyone discussing things has to do it in context of his framework not theirs. Once you are in someone’s house you gotta adhere to their structure.

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      • shelleybear66 says:

        Wow! Thank you for the insight. You are obviously an intelligent, thoughtful person! My concern is the “low infos” will just “get their feelings hurt” and retreat to a “safe” candidate!

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        • Sharon says:

          They would get their feelings hurt and look for a safe candidate no matter who. Lowest common denominator cannot be allowed to choose the POTUS. Again.

          I would assume that those who run in marathons do not pace themselves to the least prepared runners.

          Keep in mind the LOFOs will often vote for whoever has the highest level of recognized momentum because they want to be cool.

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        • Notmeagain says:

          I’m afraid they will do that anyway, or they won’t even ever be out of their “safe space” to get any alternate information. You just have to concentrate on your own ideas, and hope to pass on a few occasionally. Remember a little drip of water wears away a big stone eventually: be the water, not the stone.

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      • dondeg says:

        Lol! tutu…whata image!

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        “Donald Trump could dress in a tutu and swear about any candidate for 2 hours and he is still a better choice than ANY other candidate R or D on stage.” Yes, that is exactly how I feel……………but, I hope he doesn’t do that. 😯

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      • andymilken says:

        Very good observation and analogy. It’s the difference between the “leader” and the “manager” mentality. The leader is thinking, strategically, and setting the narrative to move his/her message to persuade or influence the followers; the manager is doing the tactical, day-to-day mundane tasks, after the leader has set the agenda. I’ve always said this all along; whether you agree or disagree w/ Trumpy, he always defines the message/narrative. Maybe his honesty could “hurt” him in the short-term, but in the long-run, it will always work out (i.e., how many past “transgressions” he’s made, at those initial moments, but later on people paused and thought about it). People think he is a “buffoon” in making all these “outrageous’ statements, but people just don’t realize how calculated he is. He says “things” not just for the sake of saying things. They have their purposes. Actually, it is a good thing for people to start sitting down and thinking, critically, instead of these “quick, objectivity” of projecting something via technology. Technology is a very good thing, but it has made people become “lazier” within their own thinking and decision-making process. We shall see.

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      • andymilken says:

        Forgot to mention. He “did” it on a Thursday night. Friday is usually “slow” w/ the news cycle. We shall see if it gets pick up during the weekend “round table” discussion. They can go both ways, in making Trumpy becomes more “irrelevant” or “demise” talking points or more “vetting” into the good doctor. Let’s see how they will “attack” it. I am kind of surprise that Breibart has this story at the middle of its page, instead of the headline. Actually, I am more concerned about Cruz than anyone else.

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    • He wasn’t booed and in my opinion that’s telling. If he was booed then I would be more fearful. But as I reflect on what he said… Carson enrolled in the ROTC program. I think the credit for his anger being controlled really belongs to the military discipline of the ROTC program and his mother’s love.

      That being said….Trump was right. If he had that backstory, he’ll if Obama had that backstory…I don’t think people would be easy with them.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Oddly, this is by LIVESTRONG, a good organization tainted forever by a Pathological Liar, Lance Armstrong.

      Treatment for a Pathological Liar
      http://www.livestrong.com/article/106810-treatment-pathological-liar/

      Here is the BOTTOM LINE, all the Wavering Whining Ninnies need to think about WHO we have in OUR White House right now, and HOW he got there, TWICE! He is a Pathological Liar. It is a Repeatedly PROVEN FACT.

      Installing Shrillary would be installing another KNOWN Pathological Liar.

      Installing any 2016 Presidential Candidate other than TRUMP would be installing more Pathological Liars. They all do this for a Living!

      Listening to ANY of the MSM is listening to MORE Pathological Liars. Their SOLE FUNCTION is to SELL Daily Deception. I don’t know how THEY sleep at night.

      There is no such thing as NEWS anymore. This is what people hate most about elections. The 24/7/365 non-stop attacks by the media. The rest are fluff pieces, and NO ACTUAL NEWS Is being reported! Oh, and they claim this is what WE Want.

      I slept FABULOUSLY last night knowing there is FINALLY someone out there who has American Values like my own, and who is willing to speak out for them, and take on what ails the USA! A Real Leader and a Real Doer!

      January 2017 Cannot Come Soon Enough!

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      • shelleybear66 says:

        Thanks TwoLaine for uplifting boost today! Just worried about the “softies” who cannot handle the truth! I am 1000% supporter of Mr. Trump and hope and pray he is our next POTUS!

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        • Sharon says:

          Softies who cannot handle the truth must be made irrelevant.

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          • Lulu says:

            Glad to read your strong words, Sharon. It is high time. Too many think them but PC gets in their way. In some instances, timidity kills…

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            • Sharon says:

              I’ve said before that if I’m lost in the back wilderness, out of food, being stalked by a cougar, with a wet sleeping bag and I come across a fussy 50 year old Christian with soft hands and a well-worn Bible in his backpack and (and there’s a storm moving in) and a cussin’, smoking 66 year old grizzled cow poke who’s dressed in dirty clothes (and is in a rush)

              ………..and the Christian stands there wanting to give his testimony and the old cowhand says, “Well, ma’am, ya got five seconds to make up your mind – give me your hand and I’ll get you to my line cabin in 45 minutes – or stay here and pray and plan to spend the night and then some”…..

              I’m going with the smelly old cowpoke and I won’t need five seconds to let him know.

              I am up to here with Christians who are so easily influenced by religious overtones and undertones.

              Need to get their brains out of storage and look at the landscape.

              Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          The softies are the wavering whining ninnies who “Can’t Handle The Truth!” They need to get a clue, and a spine, and look themselves in the mirror and decide if they want another Pathological Liar in OUR White House for another 8 years!

          Iowan’s know a lot about nasty banks. TRUMP speaks their language. Iowan’s know a lot about Death Taxes. Many have lost their family farms over the years because of them. TRUMP speaks their language here too. He wants to end Death Taxes. They are UNFAIR!

          https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

          IF you can find it, the movie “Troublesome Creek: A Midwestern” is a true story of the Iowan family, the Jordan’s, and their fight to keep the family farm. It is very well done. I found it at the local library, and happen to also know people who live(d) in the area.

          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114735/

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      • Ivehadit says:

        Yes!! Great post, TwoL.
        Trump continues to amaze me…

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      • MissV says:

        Agree wholeheartedly. All except Trump are pathological LIARS, to a man. And I mean CF in there, too. If she can’t take being lumped in with the boys, she should get out. Politics requires a spine of steel and the courage to be Honest. Feminazi (h/tRush) crybaby-ing has no place in the game. That’s for the other side.
        Trump is a warrior. Warriors make war. It’s brutal and ruthless, but that’s how we win. Soft spoken platitudes and politeness are for losers.
        Everyone on this site knows by now, thanks to SDs superb research, that we either get Trump or we lose the nation. Make your choices, folks. There is no one else.

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      • bleep21k says:

        @twolaine – AMEN amen! Truth requires courage and the ability to “speak freely” unafraid of who may be “offended”…

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    • mad3703 says:

      I think it was masterful performance and nothing to worry about. This was exactly what he intended to do at this time.

      He painted a picture of Carson that cannot be ignored by people that like them both (time to choose). He showed himself ruthless in battle which is required to beat the Clinton machine. He sent notice to other candidates and the press for that matter that he will not hold back in this fight.

      Loved it!

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      • TwoLaine says:

        “He sent notice to other candidates and the press for that matter that he will not hold back in this fight.”

        Iowa politics is a dirty thing. While some may not think that the other candidates have or are hitting TRUMP, the counter puncher, TRUST US ALL the Super PAC’s are. You just don’t hear it if you aren’t there.

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      • phil fan says:

        I agree Mad, in political terms a masterpiece no doubt. Still we cannot discount the bruised feelings of those who see a spiritual side to Mr Carson. It is unsettling to many of them. We should try to empathize with those human/spiritual things beyond mere politics to help assure those many that the beliefs/faith they and BC have are not in question, I do not believe Trump was attacking Carson’s spiritual journey tho it is a very fine line. The advice to Donald to stick to the issues is good. After this it will likely be sufficient to defeat this rival for POTUS.

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      • Papa says:

        I watched the entire Trump speech and I completely agree. It was well done and although he spelled it out this time instead of the comments about Carly and others, he painted the picture he wants people to see of Carson.

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    • Sometimes truth is earth shattering for less outspoken folks. Let’s see if Americans can handle the truth. Albeit, it was not served up in the manner they might prefer, like the illegal alien statement. But eventually the truth does come out and the outspoken one is vindicated.

      I myself am evangelical and I found myself questioning the people in Iowa in the same way and outloud in my own prayers to God. How can they cast all reason aside to believe in a very prideful man like Carson who constantly speaks about HIMSELF.

      Sounds like Ben is promoting Ben, not Christ. All those books, none about Christ, all about Ben, Ben and medical, Ben and his conversion, Ben and his difficulties, Ben and his prayers, Ben and his struggles, Ben and his faith, Ben and his earthly honors and awards, Ben this and Ben that, it’s all about BEN. Ben wants to be held in high esteem as being “Humble.” That’s not humble. He’s no different than any other egocentric man, except he is worse because he denies it.

      Carson’s story of struggles and childhood conversion is not that unique. Many of us have our story of conversion and healing and overcoming great odds, but as we grow in Christ we learn to leave ourselves out of the story, we learn that we are not the story at all, but He (Christ) is.

      After that interview came out with Carson describing his attack on his own mother with a hammer, hitting his friend with a padlock, stabbing another with a camping knife with the blade “breaking off on his belt buckle,” I found it very disturbing. We have already had one president that in his memoirs spoke about his anger issues and wanting to punch people in the stomach (Obama). It’s not that they had those feelings IT’S THAT THEY WROTE ABOUT THEM.

      I knew of his “conversion,” but something about his violent acts did not sit well with my spirit. And they still don’t.

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      • shelleybear66 says:

        Thank you!! I hope that other Christians see this man with the clarity that you do! I also am a Christian..and always with Carson my gut feeling ( Holy Spirit) has screamed RUN! Liar! Thanks for uplifting me this morning and having faith that the American people feel the same as we do!

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      • Lulu says:

        That may be the most clear articulation about Carson that I’ve read anywhere.

        The books include the strangest fantasies, in that they are “stories” that make the younger Carson look bad. But then he was converted, saw the light, and on and on.

        The relationship with Costas is very alarming. This is grownup Carson, writing about his no exceptions belief when it comes to fraud, investing with and being enriched by his “best friend” who was found guilty of fraud. Wrote a letter to the sentencing judge (who had to have taken note of Carson’s fame and reputation) and friend got a very lenient house arrest sentence (it could have been ten years). Loyalty to a friend is admirable, but this is also a very lucrative business relationship, so what are we left to think? And how could the Dems resist this serious chink in his armor?

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      • TwoLaine says:

        Al Sharkton is also said to be a religious man… SINCE WHEN?

        Matthew 7:15

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      • TheTorch says:

        Moni I have to say you have hit the nail on the head with this one. I was thinking along similar lines to you. I keep being told Carson is Humble. BUT I can’t get that picture in his house out of my head, the one with him and Jesus. Would a truly humble man have something like that hanging on his wall ? Just does not compute with me. The points you made about his books just reinforce that.

        All these strange things written in his books, with a huge question mark. Seems eerily similar to Obama to me. I just don’t by this softly spoken, could not hurt a fly personality. Something just not sit right with me.

        It does bother me that some people just unflinchingly support him, without asking the obvious questions, and the mother and the hammer thing, I just don’t know how people who support him just dismiss that so easily. Honesty is one thing, repenting for it another, but it does not change what he is saying, and that in itself is pretty disturbing. Then again if it is all made up, then that does point to something disturbing as well!

        Take a look at this video, something is not right here:

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        • Concerned says:

          He gives me the creeps!

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        • O my! That video really gets it. Especially the one male interviewer sitting in the chair’s expression on his face and body language as Carson recounts violent acts as if he’s talking about something as mundane as going to the store. Tweeted!

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        • p.s. Torch. I just noticed that video of Carson wasn’t published by some regular youtuber. It was published today by HUFFINGTON POST’s own verified YOUTUBE CHANNEL. I know they don’t like Trump either, but they are really going after Carson.

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    • parteagirl says:

      As an evangelical Trump supporter, if I could, I would advise him to focus on the policies of Carson and not the personal issues. I can see why Trump can offend evangelicals when he goes after Carson- it is not because he is going after a rival candidate, it is because he is doubting the power of redemption.

      The reason Carson said those negative things about himself in the book was to paint a contrast- what he was like before God changed his life, and who he is today. Carson’s point is to give God’s “Amazing Grace” the glory for a change in his life that nothing else can explain. To focus on the angry young man, the “wretch like me,” that Carson was as a teenager, and to ignore all the good that has come out of his life since that time, does not diminish Carson as much as it doubts God’s redemptive power.

      That just doesn’t sit well with me. It won’t cost my vote for Trump- I realize he’s running for president and not pastor- but it makes it harder for me to defend my support of Trump to some of my friends.

      I believe that everyone of us is in need of redemption, a second chance. To insinuate that Carson has blown his second chance, that there wasn’t and isn’t a cure for what ails him, implies that something is impossible for God. On that point, I believe, Trump is wrong.

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      • phil fan says:

        What I got out of Trumps attack (it surely was) is that Carson is not fit to be President of the US. Not that his redemption is in doubt. Or that HIS Redeeming is not possible. Donald, in my view, was calling into question BCs suitability for the role of POTUS.

        I can see others upset by this rough treatment of a good man, a saved man we assume. It’s not his salvation that is in question but the loopholes in his story that call into question the office of Prez for Ben Carson. I guess I see this in political terms not spiritual ones.

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        • parteagirl says:

          Thank you for your feedback. I see it in political terms, too, but you should see the looks I get when I tell Christian friends that I am supporting Trump. I’ve even been “scolded” for it. Comments like these last night just make my pitch harder, that’s all.

          I am in Texas, by the way, where a poll that came out yesterday had Trump and Cruz tied at 27% each. I would love to see a break down of this poll on this site.

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          • phil fan says:

            Yes I do understand the difficulties you face. Donald is a raw candidate and a tough cookie which is a long way from the Church folks. Best wishes and go Donald.

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            • amjean says:

              What I gather from all the hand wringing is that Trump
              might lose evangelical votes because he spoke the
              truth about Ben Carson and the evangelicals might
              be angry because they would vote for a candidate
              for president solely because he was redeemed.

              Well, in that case, Hillary knows what she has to do!

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          • sandraopines says:

            I talked to several “closet” Trump supporters last night including a Baptist preacher. They don’t advertise their support right now because of the smackdowns but privately they do. I don’t know how widespread that is but I encountered 2 last night.

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      • Scripturally, we do find precedent in regards to men of violence being kept from certain positions and tasks. One clear one is King David, God told him he was not permitted to build the temple because he was a man of violence and had shed blood. It wasn’t a punishment, it was just God’s way not taint the temple so to speak.

        So even though redemption and conversion can clear the slate in most areas, it does not necessarily mean it clears the way for for any future jobs, positions, or tasks. For example, if a woman had been a prostitute in her early teens, has a conversion and becomes a wonderful doctor with a testimony of the power of God. She would also find trouble in seeking the office of the presidency. And even in many Christian and evangelical circles would prevent her from holding certain high level positions.

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      • irvingtwosmokes says:

        I think this prophetic prayer timely, as at this time [late October], Iowa polls are showing a slipping of support for Mr. Trump among Evangelicals who prefer Dr. Carson to Mr. Trump 33% to 18%. I think it’s time evangelicals had a conversation about the criteria for office we are looking for. We want the most evangelical choice. But what we should ask is “who has God anointed?”

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/christian-speaker-just-shared-this-prophetic-prayer-about-trump-these-3-words-the-dems-will-hate/?

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      • dizzymissl says:

        Remind your friends that Harry Reid lied to everyone saying he had an inside connection that told him Mitt Romney didn’t pay taxes. After seeing that, as far as I’m concerned, Trump can lie his head off to get elected.

        Also remind them that taking back our country is WAR and war is not pretty. The people in power are going to doing every heinous thing they can to take him out. And Trump will not only be getting hit by Ds, but also by his own party.

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      • Concerned says:

        parteagirl, Trump has no choice but to take on Carson’s bizarre personal attributes, because Carson’s supporters have been brainwashed into thinking he’s some pious infallible man of God and they don’t really care about any of the policies.

        And Trump is right. Carson is not fit to be President, his violent past is a big red flag, and no white candidate would be allowed to say such things and survive the primary season. Trump is right, we’re all thinking it, and as usual Trump has the courage to say it. If you are offended by the truth, then you need to ask yourself why.

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    • The folks that are in denial about Carson may take Trump’s “how stupid are the people of Iowa?” comment to mean he is insulting and questioning their own religious beliefs they hold dear about the power of “conversion” in general, not just Carson’s.

      But for clear thinking folks unafraid of the truth it will call into question Carson’s claims and may sober them up a bit over what is going on with this Carson worship.

      In any case, it seems to me that Trump has drawn a line in the sand whether intentionally or unintentionally. And it is important to note that ALL of this was Carson’s own doing, HE wrote the book and HE was the one to bring his past violent acts to the table, dead center into the presidential race. And for that, Trump cannot and will not be responsible for.

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      • phil fan says:

        It was said here that the church folks won’t vote DT anyway so maybe not too bad then. Maybe that made Donald go after Ben harder?! Donald Donald he really is himself warts and all…which is what He brings to the table and will have to live with himself. It’s okay with me as I never expected to worry about the spiritual side in this election. But , revelation! others clearly do. If Carson people come over good, if not I just don’t want to lose any Trumpsters

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        • I think you are onto something there when you say “It was said here that the church folks won’t vote DT anyway so maybe not too bad then. Maybe that made Donald go after Ben harder?! ”

          Perhaps Trump, brilliant and wise came to that conclusion as well and sized up what portion of those folks that would stick to Carson through thick and thin vs the ones that he could sway?

          Trump’s a smart guy and I find it hard to believe it was just some meltdown. He is not an out of control man, he wouldn’t be where he is today if he were..

          It makes more sense he is leaving the folks that are looking for a pastor president behind, knowing full well they won’t budge, but giving them one final try.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        “how stupid are the people of Iowa?” That line did make me cringe.

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    • stillhopeful says:

      Shelley,
      I noticed what you did!! I was floored by Trump speech. Just read a column by Jenna Johnson. Wa Post, dated Nov 13. Boy, she nailed it! Wish I could link it.

      She wrote that he showed up 40 min late, mussed hair, hoarse voice, tone defensive, didn’t take any planned audience questions. Long column, I agree was accurately reported. Had I not seen this speech, I would be upset at her reporting. Johnson ended with, …speech was surprising even for a candidate full of surprises.

      I’ve seen every rally, every debate, and most of his interviews. This was not Trump! Surely it cannot be a tactic. Asking Iowans if they are “stupid” and attacking Carson for 9 minutes made me cringe.

      I am a 100% supporter and hope this speech doesn’t come back to bite him.

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    • Irish Eyes says:

      I didn’t think what he said was so bad, but he seemed to go on and on too long. It became tiresome and the people behind him became restless and fidgety. A quick zinger or two and done might be better.

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    • lilbirdee'12 says:

      I also cringed a bit when he made the STUPID comment…then my BF reminded me that everything that Mr. Trump said was the same that I have been saying. THAT’s why I love him soooo much ! Yes, Bomb the **it out of them !

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      • lilbirdee'12 says:

        I would add that there are only TWO THINGS I have disagreed with Mr. Trump on. His statement about ‘knowing more than the Generals’ and his admiration of Miley Cyrus. Both of those statements really shocked me.

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        • SharonKinDC says:

          RE the Generals: Trump has friends in Israel, imo, some may provide more complete information. After all, we have ‘sanitized’ intel reports. Furthermore, a US General has told Trump ‘we don’t know who these people are’ that the US gov’t is backing. Trump is clear that many are ISIS or AQ… a fact which eventually came out. It may be shocking. It also has a good chance of being an accurate statement, sadly.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      My Breitbart comment on the topic: Once again, Trump gets to the heart of the matter. Carson’s laudable career as a neurosurgeon was turned into something more due to his race, humble background, AND the ‘redemption’ narrative. The story has been inspirational to millions. All good.

      However, as a candidate for President, it makes perfect sense to take a closer look at Carson’s own words and what they really mean if he were to become President. There are three big issues for Dr. Carson:
      1. Policy Positions: A combination of UniParty globalist neo-con and Democrat ones are not of interest to me.
      2. Mannatech: Carson denies ‘involvement’, yet he’s on video shilling for them. Saying they didn’t pay him when the money went through the Speaker’s Bureau from Mannatech to Carson is Clintonian parsing. No thanks.
      3. ‘Pathological’ Temperament: The job of President is enormously stressful. It’s important to know how a candidate acts under pressure. By Dr. Carson’s OWN WORDS, he had a ‘pathological anger’ which was a ‘disease’, which manifested itself though three felonious assaults/attempted murder incidents. Something which is ‘pathological’ doesn’t disappear. He and his supporters would have people believe that he was redeemed through a prayer session in the bathroom after stabbing a friend, now claimed to be a relative, in the stomach with a knife. The attack failed to draw blood due to the rather miraculous event of the blade striking a ROTC belt buckle and breaking. Even if all of this is true, exactly as described, it begs the question: “DO YOU REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT SOMEONE WHO HAD SO MANY VIOLENT OUTBURSTS?” I say ‘no way’. YMMV.

      The bottom line, is the media treated Carson with kid gloves for a long time. A flurry of questions regarding the veracity of less significant claims in his book, do point to the likelihood of ’embellishment’, which wouldn’t ever be an issue if he wasn’t running for POTUS. After significant push back from Carson, the media has backed off without fully examining the more important issues listed above, in particular, number 3 on the list. As Trump noted in his Ft. Dodge, Iowa rally, if HE had attempted to hit his mother in the head with a hammer or knife a ‘friend’, the media would have rightly eviscerated his campaign at the start. For those who ‘take offense’ at Trump’s blunt statements, ask yourself, ‘why hasn’t the media focused on this real issue?’ After all, it’s not like the MSM hasn’t asked ‘temperament’ questions of others. Why does Carson get a pass? Trump is again doing the job the media refuses to do. Recall when the media skipped or went easy on a guy named Obama? Why on earth should the public go along with more of the same?

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    • Athena the Warrior says:

      Who wants someone like this in the WH? Who smiles and brags about hurting people? A psychopath!

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    • amjean says:

      Let’s turn this around and take another look.
      Who would the media attack if Trump was the
      one who attempted to hit his mother over the
      head with a hammer and stabbed a childhood
      friend and Carson called him out on it forcefully?

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  6. phil fan says:

    According to reports at the event “Trump never lost the audience; they were with him all the way to the end”. That’s good enough for me. I’m not worried about any reactions. I saw the 9 minutes of Trump deconstructing Carson. Frankly it was hilarious. I loved it, great comedy. Audience did too so I didn’t see Donald hitting below the belt, ie going for BCs faith or redemption story. No one was booing. Last time Trump went after Carson 2 weeks ago.he went up and Carson went down in polls despite the hand wringing at the time.And many pearls were clutched at the time.

    We should bomb the sheets out of ISIS not this namby pamby pussy footing we’ve been doing.if we do go in. Fight! And for the MSM to worry about his language? With all the F bombs they throw out? Please.. I also watched the audience behind Donald and the biggest smiles came when he rhetorically asked “how stupid are the people of Iowa”. He challenged their apparent IQ for supporting Benson. He also called the press “there in the back row”. Scum, terrible people. EVERYBODY laughed, except the jackals in the back row.

    Concerned? I think not. With the collapse of borders, the economy, civility and virtue in this country a swift kick in the butt is just what the doctor ordered IMO. Trump will lose no votes and likely will gain.

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    • shelleybear66 says:

      Thank you. Am just concerned the “softies” will fall off the Trump Train. Thanks for lifting my spirits this morning! 🙂

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    • There are better replacements to express cuss words like sh**, hell, dam*, a**. The word “heck” can say the same thing with not being vulgar. He could say “bomb the smithereens” outta them, or some other less vulgar explicative. Cussing is a habit as well.

      Many folks don’t see these words as being trashy, but many do. And us evangelicals really are put off with them. This doesn’t make what Trump is saying any less true, it does take away from the strength of his statements. I often wonder why he doesn’t chose the word “heck” over “hell, or “darn” over damn, or “crap” over “sh**? And I too cringe when he doesn’t. I have prayed that Trump would realize this.

      I like outspoken. But find vulgarity repugnant. I don’t even like the “crap” word but would find it much better than “sh**.”

      The good news is that crowd believes in redemption and if Trump were to change direction on this and replace those 4 or 5 words, I think those folks would immediately notice and forgive.

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      • CLARIFICATION: by “crowd” meaning folks in general, those watching online or even reading. The folks. Not specifically meaning the crowd he was in person speaking to at the rally who were cheering him.

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      • phil fan says:

        Fair enough, good points. Have to say I never noticed until today about any language issues coming from a guys world/business back ground. But you point out some areas for improvement.

        Donald laid it on the line with the speech in Iowa. He even said it bluntly “Here I am, you’re going to get what you see. If you want to vote for that crazy Carwax guy then go ahead. That’s on you. Are you that stupid?” Bold, blunt, totally Big D.from NY. We’ll see how it works in IA but for the US I think it will boost him up.

        The candidate’s name is Carson. It is not Carwreck. It is not Carzone. It is not Carwax. Adolescent name calling. We have some commenters who will go on endlessly in such cutesy name calling if given half a chance and we have no intention of having that be a theme of the threads for the next twelve months. -Admin

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        • I don’t find humorous plays on names as being “adolescent,” but for the purposes of this blog and the seriousness of the task at hand it is wise for us to stop using them. And for that reason only. I too have stopped using them for that reason as well.

          It is adolescent when it is compulsive and repetitive to the point that the actual thing under discussion is obscured. Drop it. -Admin

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          • phil fan says:

            Fair enough it is a serious topic after all and agree no problem following the house rules. Mr Carson deserves respect even if we support another.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        Meh, ‘Bomb the shit out of ISIS’ has a LOT more impact than ‘Bomb the heck out of ISIS’ Use of the brown word GUARANTEED it would make the media, where they could hyperventilate over it. Gotta do what you gotta do.

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      • dizzymissl says:

        One of the reporters said the bomb the ….. out of isis got the biggest applause of the night

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  7. Dora says:

    Trump says ‘Thank You’.

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  8. jeans2nd says:

    This thread is an excellent idea. Thank you.

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    • TheTorch says:

      Agreed. This is a great idea, and will make it much easier to post, as I must admit sometimes I don’t always post in the appropriate thread!

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      • phil fan says:

        The Campaign, the campaign. Yep at the pace Big D is going we surely need a separate thread. And SD is going crazy too with tons of other articles which we get to examine and discuss. So this is great, thanks Sir.

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  9. NHVoter says:

    Thanks for this – this is great!

    Carly attacked Trump on her Facebook page while defending Carson.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/260020-fiorina-defends-carson-after-trumps-child-molester-attack

    What do you all make of Trump’s comments re child molestation?

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    • NHVoter says:

      Carly is a nasty piece of work. She said on her Facebook page that Trump isn’t as smart as Carson. SMH.

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      • dondeg says:

        There are two types of smart: book-smart and cunning. Carson is book smart (and in the middle range as far as that range goes). Trump is cunning. Some of the book-smartest PhDs on the planet make around 100-200 k a year, and maybe have a few bucks coming in from a book. Cunning gets you $ millions and billions. Not that money is the end all be all, not by a long shot, but it is certainly an indicator, and it illustrates the differences in the two kinds of smart. I am around PhDs all the time and they are, in net, the stupidest, least common sensical group of people you’d ever want to meet.

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    • Lulu says:

      Trump did not say that Carson was a child molester. Carson wrote that he had had a “pathological” temper. That means it is like a disease. A doctor knows that. Child molesters are also said to be pathological. Have a disease.

      The comparison was regarding the term “pathological”, not the condition it was being used to modify.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Carson was the one to use the term “pathological” I believe. And, I think the comparison to child molesters is that is cannot be completely cured.

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    • KBR says:

      The Carson biography stories were simmering down, soon to be put to bed. All according to the dem plan: bring it all out early see if he gets a pass on vetting like mentor Obama did, then put it to sleep so by the time for voting it’s “old news.”
      Trump never even came close to insinuating Carson himself was a child molester. But using that as an example of incurable psychological pathology puts Carson’s stories front and center again, meanwhile pressing the issue of what actual pathologies, mental and physical included, might be lurking in his past published stories.

      Fiorino, as we here have already determined, is uniparty. Carson has a purpose and she has to defend him until that purpose is served. Recall that hillarab is not Carson’s mentor’s favorite person. Recall that Biden was told he would get the mentor’s support only if mentor could choose the vp. Who will really choose Carson’s vp? And remember that Carson has/had prostate ca. Is it truly cured, and even if so, a death while running or while in office could be officially related to recurrence even if it were actually a drawn-out assassination by poison, couldn’t it?

      All this is more dastardly deep than people are willing to see.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      The only way Carly can get attention is due to the female card in scrapping w/ the View, and now, acting as Carson’s little helper. The woman isn’t on a bunch of ballots, she has posted no positions. She’s running for VP and frankly, the nominee would be an idiot to select her.

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      • TheTorch says:

        Unfortunately Carly’s judgment is always off. She decided to attack Trump for the comment he made, but Carson actually disagreed with what the media was insinuating that Trump said, so he left Carly hanging! Also she has inserted herself into something, that she would of been better to avoid, it is up to Trump and Carson to duke it out. If she can’t get something as basic as this right, it speaks volumes…

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  10. kittymyers says:

    Drudge’s headline this morning:
    WASH POST: REPUBLICAN PARTY PANIC; MOVE TO DRAFT ROMNEY
    “According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

    I want to ask if the GOPe can do that.

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    • NVA Patriot says:

      Romney could not get on the Ballot in VA at this point.

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      • flyanddive says:

        The party doesn’t have to follow the polls, or the rules, they could simply select either Romney or Ryan. It’s unlikely they would select Jeb in a brokered RNC.

        Hillary could lose her security clearance at any moment, and for all intents and purposes, she is the dem nominee. The CoC still has full control over this election. The key is Trump needs to have 50%+ support, otherwise he runs the danger of the CoC hijacking the process. This is why I believe Carson is the largest threat we have.

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  11. redlegleader says:

    Sundance, this is a great idea, thanks! Driving today ATL/MSY for a family funeral 😦 but life happens. I can now see even my wife getting on board; she’s finally had it with Miss Megyn and BOR; we still watch SR, however. Fun for her to watch with “different” eyes.

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  12. NHVoter says:

    Trump will be in Florida tomorrow for a FL GOP conference.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      Last on is Al Cardenas, Jeb!’s Main Campaign Liar in Charge. Jeb! must be away doing Cool Things. OR, he doesn’t want to face Floridians after the disasters he left them with.

      Interesting they didn’t highlight FL in MR’s title. I hope the audience gets to ask him why thinks he should be considered for the Top Job when he can’t even manage to show up for the Current Job!

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  13. TC says:

    The most electable ticket for the GOP would be Trump/Carson, so I’m puzzled by the attacks by Trump. An insecure bully is not the mold he will want to get cast into. You can be direct, blunt and honest while still maintaining some tact. I can’t really see any of the other candidates fitting well into Trump’s VP slot, but maybe Trump has already chosen someone other than Carson.

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    • tappin52 says:

      Look up Carson campaign member Armstrong Williams’ view that the US should pay Louis Farrakhan and his NOI soldiers to handle policing in troubled areas. You will be disavowed of that Trump-Carson idea real quick.

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    • michellc says:

      I might have agreed with that before I learned more about Carson. Carson is not electable and imo aside from some social issues, he’s as liberal as they come. There are many who have thought the same thing Trump said last night and that has been since the beginning of his campaign what has drawn people to him. He says for everyone to hear what people are thinking and saying in their private conversations.

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    • TC says:

      Note that nowhere did I say that I liked the ticket, but rather that the ticket is the most electable, since Carson has the highest general favorable rankings of any of the GOP candidates, whether you or I like it or not.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        We don’t have any idea who Trump would select. Might not be any of the other candidates. Thus, we can’t say that ticket is the ‘most electable’… especially as Hillary will be running Carson ‘temperament’ ads… attacking Mom as War on Women.

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      • flyanddive says:

        There is no Ben Carson in this race, it’s only Jeb and Trump. The other 15 million candidates are all proxies for Jeb. Common sense will lead you to this conclusion. Remember, Rove has vetted everyone in this election, he would have cast off Carson in the beginning, if Carson were a real candidate.

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      • TheTorch says:

        Honestly the favorables thing really irks me. I wish people would snap out of this obsession about favorables. At this stage in the game they mean very little. FOX NEWS wants you to think otherwise though, and they peddle this constantly.

        Most candidates are still not defined and still not known enough by the public, so any favorable ranking is based on what we know now, for some that is very little. That is the reason Hillary’s unfavorables have been bad for so long, she is defined, and there is a long history that people know about and it is very difficult to improve that, even more so when you have yet another scandal in the background.

        That will happen with every candidate, as this process progresses, they will be slowly be defined and any baggage known. Just about everybody knows all about Trump, so he is already defined, and his unfavorables have improved markedly in some polling. That is a pretty neat trick, and very encouraging going forward, as that usually doesn’t happen! 🙂

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    • joanfoster says:

      Remember the VP is one heartbeat away from the Presidency. If you cannot support Carson for President, why would you support him for VP? He is simply not up to either task. Trump may have burned that bridge in Iowa, but there are plenty of other potential candidates who don’t come from the current Rep. field.

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      • Notmeagain says:

        Exactly. It is a very tricky position. Some presidents have picked a VP for the votes he could pull in (Kennedy/LBJ). Some for life insurance (Obama–how many times has someone said they wished O would leave and the retort was “but then we’d have Biden”). Some actually as partners (thinking here). Anyway most of the time the VP is a man on the road, sometimes influences in the Senate, not that important except potentially.

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    • Marie Rogers says:

      so youre comfortable with TRUMP as president, then for some reason he is gone and lo we have president carson! are you serious?

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    • Sharon says:

      There’s a disconnect in wanting Carson first in line to be POTUS if you are supporting Trump.

      The most electable ticket in 2008 and 2012 turned out to be obama and Biden. I don’t think the country can survive another most electable ticket.

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    • dondeg says:

      Carson simply couldn’t act at the level Trump acts when he’s sleeping, let alone when he’s awake. Like Trump says, deal making is not Caron’s “wheel house”. Trump would never select him as VP.

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    • TwoLaine says:

      I have absolutely no interest in Carson anywhere on the ticket, and possibly anywhere within the administration.

      TRUMP will make the BEST Pick, and I HIGHLY DOUBT it will be anyone allegedly on the same stage as him.

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      • Notmeagain says:

        If I were him I would be keeping my choice hidden for a long time. It would cause his choice great grief as soon as it were known.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          Yes. He has made it clear he is not going to “tell all”.

          I am weary of their incessant questions about it. He will announce it at a press conference of his own time and choice.

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          • Lulu says:

            His choice for VP does not have to be one of the other candidates. Too many are hung up on that concept.

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            • TwoLaine says:

              He doesn’t NEED any of them, and probably already employs HUNDREDS who can run circles around all of them in a heartbeat.

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              • KBR says:

                I realized long ago that in the nomination process, you support your presidential pick, and him only. In polls, you say you choose Trump, but remain “undecided” on second and third choices.
                Making known any second and third choices or going on about your choice for vp is counterproductive to getting your first choice nominated.
                Notice how many comments there have been by pollster pundits about “if you consider the candidate’s second-choice votes together with his actual votes…”

                I repeat naming a second choice or vp choice during nomination process is counterproductive.

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          • IMO it would be foolish for him to make any announcement about a VP choice prior to securing the nomination. Once he has it (or that it appears to be a “Cinch”) he can use it as a bargaining chip for additional support from any sore losers.

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    • TC says:

      OK, the only other pairing I could see winning with a non-current-candidate would be Trump/Bill Rancic of Apprentice and Juliana and Bill Fame. Think about it – the VP slot is a popularity contest. Can you name a single thing Biden has done in seven years? I sure can’t. I also haven’t heard anyone from the peanut gallery make any other suggestions on who you might think would be a more electable ticket. Anyone?

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    • Melania for 1st Lady says:

      I’m thinking Marsha Blackburn might be a good VP. Much as I’d like to see Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham get the number 2 slot I don’t think that would fly well.

      Marsha seems pretty conservative (I don’t know all of her details but what I do know I like). I think she’s good on the border. She has experience in gov’t. And she’s a woman, which – unfortunately in my opinion – would probably be worth something in this election. I don’t think gender should count for or against anyone but we all know that Hillary/the media are going to be talking about women this and women that and the first woman to blah blah blah. Marsha would disable some of that narrative.

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    • Concerned says:

      I think Carson’s credibility will be shredded before the first primary.

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      • Concerned says:

        I also think Trump sees right through Carson, as many of us do, and there’s no way, absolutely no way, that Trump will use Carson in any position let alone VP.

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  14. Pops says:

    The Hill are pushing Cruz, but look at the bottom line:

    “The survey of 542 registered Texas voters was conducted Oct. 30 to Nov. 8 with a margin of error of 4.2 percent.”

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259914-cruz-trump-neck-and-neck-atop-texas-poll

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  15. Melania for 1st Lady says:

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

    Rubio has the worst grade on immigration of any Republican candidate (well, okay, he barely beats Lindsey Gramnesty…..Jorge Ramos would beat Lindsey).

    Hillary has a better grade on “preventing illegal border entries and surges” than Rubio!

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  16. flawesttexas says:

    It is quite obvious, by now, that the liberals in both parties are in DefCon 5 Panic over Trump…they will any and every supposed “mistake” against Trump

    More and more, it is apparent that Trump will more than likely be the GOP nominee…and Liberal GOP have few options left. They also know that Trump is the best GOP candidate…and the one that can beat Hillary…any other GOP candidate has major issues, which will keep Trump bloc home on election day

    Time for GOP to quit fighting Trump, accept the reality. It is either Trump or Hillary…no Trump…and you will, in effect, support Hillary

    Good Day, Everybody

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  17. TexasRanger says:

    Notice Trump Texas Rally Tomorrow.!

    Donald Trump is Returning to Texas This Saturday to Hold a Rally in Beaumont.

    The Rally Will Be Held at Ford Park Arena in Beaumont, Texas on Saturday, November 14, 2015

    Doors open at 9:30 a.m. Saturday, Nov 14 and the event begins at noon at Ford Park arena, 5115 Interstate 10-south in Beaumont, Texas.

    Tickets for the free event can be obtained at the Eventbrite registration page linked below.

    Free Registration and Tickets:

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  18. Unprotected Class says:

    I am a lifelong Democrat that has been leaning (and voting) more and more to the right side of moderate for about 15 years now. I am 100% disgusted with what the Progressives have done to the Democratic party and am going to leave. The issue is that I am in Florida where we have closed primaries. The question is, am I better staying a Dem and voting against Hillary in the Primary, then switching, or switching now and voting for Trump? Which one is going to have more of an impact?

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    • Sharon says:

      Is it more important to you to have Bernie as an option in the general election or to have Trump as an option in the general election?

      Liked by 2 people

    • Notmeagain says:

      Hillary could be in jail. Trump won’t be in the general unless he wins the primary. Change right now so you can vote in the primary.

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    • sandraopines says:

      I am in FL too and I think it is more important to switch to R and vote for Trump. Reason being, it is going to be tough with a lot of candidates. I don’t know how Fickle FL will behave… looks right now good for Trump. I met some closet Trump supporters last night but only in private chat. I have no real feel for the panhandle (where I reside) because they remain silent about politics.

      The hardest part in FL is getting the folks to change to R for Primaries. Many here are registered Dem because that is an old precedent. But they mostly vote Conservative. So we will need every vote possible in Primary.

      I think Killary is a given. That is my take on it.

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      • TheTorch says:

        Unless the FBI find she has committed a felony or felonies, then she will be the nominee, you can pretty much take that as a given. Bernie has no chance, because the Democrats are rigging the process even more than the GOPe! and that includes the debates (which are scheduled at odd days and times). Bernie is also polling far behind in some of the key states from what I recollect.

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    • Kelli says:

      A vote for Trump..is a vote for Trump!
      If I were you, I’d change now.
      Also, as a fellow Floridian, it’s easy to vote absentee.
      I won’t be doing that in the primary or the general. Too easy for the ballot to get “lost in the mail”

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    • Sentient says:

      In my opinion, the odds of getting Bernie as the nominee are slim to none. Much better odds of Trump getting the GOP nomination. For that reason, you’d have more effect changing to GOP and voting for Trump in the primary. Bring some of your friends to the GOP primary, too! Trump can use all the votes he can get.

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    • Lulu says:

      Switch. Now. !!!!!

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    • You should change your party affiliation and vote for Trump. You don’t have to be a registered Dem to vote for a Dem in the general election. You have to be a registered Republican to vote for Trump in the primary.

      I am also a converted former Democrat. First I went PUMA, now I am a registered Republican to vote for Trump.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      Switch. Hillary will get the nomination in most states.

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    • Concerned says:

      If you like Trump vote for Trump. Don’t worry about the Dems during the primary. Hillary will win the nomination. Trump can beat her in the general election. Help to make sure Trump is the nominee.

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  19. Dora says:

    Here’s the WP opinion of the speech. I agree only about the tardiness. As I waited and waited for Trump to arrive I was getting annoyed and then concerned. He never did give an explanation. I hope nothing was wrong.

    God Please Bless and Protect This Man. He is going to be our President.
    …..

    Donald Trump begs Iowans not to believe Ben Carson: ‘Don’t be fools, okay?’

    FORT DODGE, Iowa ­ As Donald Trump took the stage in a community college theater on Thursday night, something was off.

    The usually punctual executive was nearly 40 minutes late. His voice was hoarse, his hair mussed, his tone defensive. He promised to take questions from the audience but instead launched into a 95-minute-long rant that at times sounded like the monologue of a man grappling with why he is running for president ­ and if it’s really worth it or not. Even for a candidate full of surprises, the speech was surprising.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/13/donald-trump-begs-iowans-not-to-believe-ben-carson-dont-be-fools-okay/

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    • Marie Rogers says:

      it doesnt matter..he went after carson brutally . .sure he’ll lose some ..but his staunch supporters are not going away!
      anyone here watch morning joe? they all listened to parts of speech, they were shocked, but at the end they smiled.. they were totally fascinated with the “performance” by TRUMP! (maybe someone smarter than me can find video of morning joe and post here)
      laughter erupted, when carson refers to putin meeting some black leaders WHEN HE WAS 16 YEARS OLD! another is china being in syria..
      its just one lie after another, do you really want this man to be president? we already have a liar in chief!

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    • MsCynlynn says:

      He was a little late to the GA rally but afterwards I saw in the news where he met with a family who had a child murdered by an illegal alien before the rally. I figured the meeting went longer than expected.

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    • SharonKinDC says:

      Secret Service just started protection two days ago. Could be some flies in the ointment. Trump is a very punctual person, imo, a rare late arrival is likely not of his own doing.

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    • dizzymissl says:

      He met with the ethanol subsidy people before the event. I bet the meeting ran long.

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  20. beaujest says:

    If Carson were white he would be at the bottom of the polling ! The media and the white guilt crowd keep patting themselves on the back for being so inclusive ! This group gave us Obama and we can see how that worked out ! Enough !

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    • joanfoster says:

      It’s odd that for the first time the press is trying desperately to affirm that Carson embellished his stories. Also oddly enough the press never once thought Obama embellished his. I am concerned about the Trump meltdown. Carson’s book was not written at a time when he was considering a run for office nor could he have thought that this book was going to be a best seller. Chances are like most books by public figures, it was ghostwritten with Carson not taking the trouble to edit. I think the stories are unflattering and raise a lot of questions about Carson and enough so that Trump may have over played his hand on this one. The next polling will obviously show the effect.

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      • liberty2828 says:

        Really? Read these quotes from his book and tell me a ghost writer came up with these fantastic stories.

        More Tales from Dr. Ben Carson’s Life

        Here is one about Queen Elizabeth…

        “The summer after my junior year at Yale, I decided to backpack through Europe. When I got to London, I ran into an old British lady who told me that I was the tallest man she’d ever seen. “You’re so big,” she said, and that is a direct quote. Her name was Elizabeth, and she was a Queen, which is like a President, only more so. She ended up naming a clock tower after me.” (“Gifted Hands 2: Gift Hander,” page 60)

        Lots more here…

        http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/more-true-tales-from-dr-ben-carson-life

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        • irvingtwosmokes says:

          The problem with that is, Prince Phillip is taller than Carson…lol

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        • joanfoster says:

          I received a copy of Gifted Hands in the mail. Unfortunately, I threw it out having never read it. I so wish I could verify the New Yorker piece which seems to be bordering on satire in many examples. If someone on the board has this book, can you compare the stories of the New Yorker to the pages quoted for verification. If Carson actually wrote some of these, the guy is a pathological liar at best and his ego only rivals that of BHO.

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        • joanfoster says:

          A ghostwriter can lie as easily as anyone else if that’s their purpose. Having never read this book, it is hard to know. Bill O’Reilly has a lot of his books researched by others and I suspect at the rate he is publishing them, they are being written by others as well. Considering that he has proven to us enough times that he too is a Fox fraud, I would the only contact with Bill’s books would be when he cashes the royalty checks.

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        • Concerned says:

          It really says that in his book? Has he even been to London and seen any of the royals? You don’t get close to them. When they are out, they are out for events and security is tight. They’re not out walking around on the streets like average people.

          Carson truly is the Brian Williams of Presidential candidates! Who believes his garbage?

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      • amjean says:

        Aren’t you always worried about something Trump
        said or did? Do yourself a favor and quit worrying.
        Trump is being Trump. Do you think that Trump can
        right the wrongs done to the country in the last
        three or more decades? Then pray that he will
        win the primary. And vote for him.

        If not, I have no words to support a different viewpoint.

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  21. NYGuy54 says:

    A lot of the polls coming out are being reweighted in a very odd manner – showing massive support for Carson even though the rank and file prefer Trump’s immigration policy. They are trying to take the steam out of his campaign. I hope he gets his rest and starts after it again with the typical Trump stemwinder.

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  22. lumoc1 says:

    I believe that, in the comments about Dr. Carson, the point Trump made is that in either case, having pathological anger management problems or being a liar, such a person should not even be considered for the position of President by any thinking person which includes any non-“STUPID” people of Iowa.
    From comments in the thread it would seem that there are people who do not understand that in either case Dr. Carson is not suitable for anything connected to the presidency of the US.

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    • KBR says:

      Carson is a liar vs Carson was an attempted murderer.

      Because the press lies, they don’t believe Carson also lied.
      Because he said he was saved and forgiven, his followers forgive his attempted murders.

      One thing I never understand about those believers, why they don’t ask: which kind of spirit comes from a sewer connection?

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      • amjean says:

        My point is that these “doubting Thomas” type people,
        along with the corrupt media, would not be supporting
        Trump if the situation was reversed. Trump holding
        the hammer, Carson stomping on Trump verbally for it.

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  23. liberty2828 says:

    New version of Carson’s immigration plan in press conference format. Very weak.

    Carson replies to Immigration question as easy then stumbles through it.

    Disturbing the number of times he closes his eyes. 40 times in 4 minutes. Notice how he does this strange behavior only when he is talking and stumbles over his words.

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  24. Black Beauty says:

    I think it’s time we true conservatives fully accept that both Cruz and Rubio have disqualified themselves as presidential candidates. Forever. Both of them have been far less than authentic or truthful about their positions on the crucial issues of immigration and trade.

    Cruz, in particular, puts on an almost Shakespearean performance, to convince us that he is a real conservative. But the actions he takes in Congress reveal the lies: As Sundance has revealed, it was Cruz, himself, who stuck the TPA in with some bill that was guaranteed passage. And the TPA, of course, all-but-guarantees the passage of the TPP.

    And what is the result of the TPP? As a signatory of TPP, the United States will be stripped of its national sovereignty. Instead, an international body that is controlled by the UN (the most corrupt institution in the history of the planet) will have dictatorial power over all 310 million of our lives. Our nation will no longer be able to protect us from any decisions made by far-off leftist bureaucrats bent on completing the implementation of a totalitarian global government, under the UN.

    When Cruz partnered with the already-known traitor, Paul Ryan, to place a pro-TPP op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, he clearly demonstrated, for the first time, that he is absolutely NOT on our side. Nowhere in that op-ed was there one word warning us of the fact that to sign TPP is to sign away the national sovereignty of the United States of America to an unelected body of leftists who wish nothing but the destruction of everything our country represents. How can any of us even consider voting for such a person?

    Worse yet: Now, we have also learned that Cruz’s wife is deeply entrenched in the Council on Foreign Relations, which we know is one of the most important activist arms of the elite movement toward global government. Members of the Council, I’ve read, have been highly placed advisors or cabinet members in every single presidential administration for decades! And that’s got to end!

    So it couldn’t be clearer: Cruz is really worse than most of the GOPe candidates, because he works hardest to play the part of a real patriot–grandstanding with speeches on the floor of Congress, filibustering. You’ve heard the speeches. To me, that is the worst aspect of Cruz’s betrayal of the American people. He demeans us and demeans our intelligence by playacting the patriot, while all the while hiding the opposite intentions. Methinks he protests too much!

    As for Rubio, he is a blatant climber and fast talker, a misuser of credit cards. He’s on the record FOR amnesty, as a member of the gang of 8, plus now a liar for claiming to have changed his mind. Did anyone hear him on Mark Levin’s show this week? I think he was deathly afraid of Levin, because I’ve never heard Rubio talk quite so fast, or marshall as many “facts” to bolster his reasoning.

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    • phil fan says:

      Cruz and Rubio are indeed disqualified from consideration for high office. Cannot trust these two despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth by supporters. Enough with them. Away with them!

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  25. Carolyn McD says:

    I agree with shelleybear66. I am depressed today after Trump’s speech in Iowa last night.

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    • Rosies Seeing Red says:

      I cringed a little when I watched it too, but he’s got all guns pointed at him from every direction — from the left, from the MSM, from the GOPe, from FOX. Can you imagine being that high in the polls and filling stadiums to the max only to turn on the news the next morning to hear you’re in 2nd place to Carson or that you’re losing steam?

      This is war and it’s the fight of his life. I think he knows what he’s doing. If we don’t have a candidate who is willing to risk everything and dramatically shake up “business as usual in politics” we are going to get more of the same. I think more people realize this than you think.

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      • PerryC says:

        I agree, but my concern is that Trump might be “Howard Dean’d” by this. Much as I loathe Dean, I didn’t think his campaign rally “meltdown” way back when was that big of a deal, but the media took it and destroyed his candidacy. I hope the same thing doesn’t happen with Trump.

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        • Rosies Seeing Red says:

          One difference. Dean likely lost $$$$ as a result of the media destroying him over his “meltdown.” He COULDN’T stay in the race. Trump can and WILL.

          What voters see (even LIVs) is an untouchable leader who cannot be coerced, shamed, manipulated or blackmailed in any way. They see someone who defies the political class and media. He proves he is one of us, not one of them, every time he does something “controversial.”

          We’re still operating under the assumption the media and political class has not lost any control or power over our elections, but Trump laid the groundwork months ago to marginalize them and has been methodically chipping away at their credibility and painting them to be very dishonest people. If they still had control, he would’ve been long gone. Trump’s in control this time — not them! We need to stop worrying.

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          • phil fan says:

            Well said Rosies. Yep it’s killing ’em to death already. Your reminder is appreciated and valued in these turbulent moments, many, in the war for POTUS.

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        • amjean says:

          What you have to realize is that most of Trump’s
          supporters loved it. He may have lost some who
          think he was mean to poor little Ben, however,
          who cares? He more than likely gained supporters.

          Although, of course, the media and corrupt pollsters
          will frame it differently.

          Don’t fall for any of this. We have been wishing for
          a person in the White House who has the courage
          to do what is right to salvage our republic. Now
          we have him; celebrate it!

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        • Concerned says:

          All along Trump has made some pretty outrageous (I would say courageous) public comments and certain people have fretted that they might harm him … and his popularity increases. The silent majority is very very happy with him.

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      • NYGuy54 says:

        That was not a good angle to take at Carson. He should have folded it into a discussion of his bad policy positions. Trump took a naked shot at his temperment and it will be used against him very hard. My opinion is that it was a big blunder. However let’s see how this plays out. I think Trump needs to be a bit cagier in how he does this.

        One thing is for sure, all the candidates are going after each other and the media are gleefully taking sides. It’s like a food fight.

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        • amjean says:

          Please! Trump is not a politician; he is the savior
          of this country. Let Trump be himself. He is the
          only one who will do the job we citizens want him
          to do.

          Everyone, please quit whining!

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          • phil fan says:

            Indeed. Hard to know amjean how much is genuine and how much is the dreaded pearl clutchers trolling. I assume regular contributors here are sincere. Newbies are working for Shrillary or Rove until proven otherwise ;0

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        • phil fan says:

          No don’t think Donald made a mistake but your “concern” is hereby noted, bless your heart :0

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    • dondeg says:

      Men are Mars and Women are Venus. I loved his talk and am all fired up right now!

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    • jackntx says:

      My only concern with it is that all the “white guilt” GOP voters will rally around Carson, and this will hurt Trump in the polls.

      But otherwise, I don’t see it as a “meltdown” and I think the media is desperately trying to make it seems like a meltdown when it was just sharp criticism of a hard-to-believe salvation story by Carson.

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      • SharonKinDC says:

        People said the same thing about the Fiornia off the cuff ‘face’ comment. Didn’t work against him… and it’s what people were thinking!

        Same w/ Carson: he’s either got a temperament problem with past violent acts, or he embellished/made up stories to facilitate the ‘redemption’ story. He was known as a quiet, rather polite kid. Yet, we are to believe he had a hidden, dark, violent side, which went away due to a redemption in a toilet. OK. Neither one is attractive.

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      • amjean says:

        I suspect after voting for Obama, there is
        little “white guilt” as you call it in this country.

        We whites now know we were duped all along.

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  26. Duchess says:

    This is pretty funny from Cruz!

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  27. KBR says:

    Trump shakes the tree like the late autumn winds. The branches sway but stay strong, dead leaves fall off faster than they inevitably would have anyway come winter. The wind bashes other trees, howls, moves things along the ground. Dead leaves scurry along the ground and who knows where they might pile up, against what wall?
    It was time to find out the truth, test our support, see how things stand.

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  28. MissV says:

    Thank you, SD. This is the best political site on the Internet.

    Liked by 3 people

  29. IamLegal says:

    Trump hints about Child molester regarding Carson? Some of religious catholic priests were found being Child molesters which is known. The message from him is religious people can also do not nice things.
    I am torn about his use of this comparison is beneficial or not, but I also put myself in the shoes of Kate in San Francisco’s parents. We need really tough leader who is absolutely deal with this illegal immigration problems for our country, otherwise we don’t have a country. We got to be tough.
    BTW, I am the first time using social media. I love Sundance.

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  30. jello333 says:

    Just to be clear, what Trump was doing with his attack on Carson was NOT to try to make people see that Carson is a psycho…. but was to try to make people see that Carson is a LIAR. The “Are people stupid?” was clearly about the fact that a lot of people apparently believe Carson’s “redemption” story. A story which, by the way, is (along with him being black) the only reason people outside the medical industry know his name.

    In order to enrich himself and promote his “story”, Carson has either exploited the fact that as a teen he WAS a psycho… or has completely made up a lot of it. Note that so far nobody has come forward to verify anything Carson has said, and in fact some have said quite the opposite. So Donald is just trying to slap people upside the head and say “Wake up!” He is NOT wanting people to think of Carson as a psycho… he IS wanting people to think of Carson as a LIAR, who was lying (when he wrote the book) to promote himself in some bizarre way… and that he’s lying to this day about many things.

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    • joanfoster says:

      What is interesting in this entire matter is the fact that Carson said last week in an interview/press conf., that his brother who knew the facts of these events didn’t “want to get involved”. There was no follow up as to why. Wouldn’t you think a person would step up to help get his brother get elected to public office by clarifying and confirming the stories.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      All should heed your astute observation Jello!

      Carson is on nothing more than a well organized, very public book tour. Anyone else notice that almost everything that is known is based off HIS book and not much other substance?

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      • phil fan says:

        Lol, “a well organized book tour”.

        Yup exactly.And it is a very successful book promo campaign.
        BTW what was Donald talking about when he said “The head of Carsons PAC has disappeared”? This has gotten lost in the fallout from Big Ds performance. Anybody?

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    • Carson has no experience with management or administration. He has no qualifications to be president. His knowledge of policy is very weak. All he has is his biography. I agree with Trump. The biography has to be scrutinized. Carson is running solely on the strength of his biography.

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    • amjean says:

      Good point!

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  31. Arkindole says:

    The latest Rasmussen Reports weekly Trump Change survey finds that 64% of Likely Republican Voters think Donald Trump is likely to be the GOP presidential nominee next year, but 33% still consider that outcome unlikely. This includes 19% who say a Trump nomination is Very Likely and 10% who consider it Not At All Likely. (To see survey question wording, click here.)…

    …Most Democrats continue to doubt that Trump will be their GOP opponent next year, but most voters not affililated with either major party still feel “The Donald” is likely to win the nomination….

    Full summary here:
    http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/trump_change/trump_change_most_gop_voters_still_see_trump_as_likely_nominee

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    • KBR says:

      Not a real problem. If there are any of Christ’s own there praying in sincerity for our candidate, they will be heard, even if they are confused right now. A good thing not a bad thing.

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    • NYGuy54 says:

      I didn’t like that response at all. He needed to defend himself. Instead he takes this weird passive-aggressive angle at Trump.

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      • TC says:

        I disagree.. their simple response is tactically brilliant.

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        • I don’t like Carson, but I agree with your assessment of this strategy. He’s using the “I’m a better man who ‘Takes the High Road’ ” approach, and that will protect him among his evangelical base.

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          • NYGuy54 says:

            It makes him look weak. Evangelical support alone won’t get him to the nomination. He needs to show vigorous leadership.

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          • I’m evangelical and to me it makes Carson look weak and more disturbing. I can see right through him. He’s doing the “concerned troll” thing I read about that the moderators speak of. “Tell him I am praying for him;” that’s something a Pope would say, but Carson is not the Pope!

            What’s next? Carson to announce he is absolving Trump’s sins?

            Speaking of the Pope, it’s well known Carson’s religion 7th Day believe popes are antichrist. Ok that is their belief and I am not knocking SDA. BUT if Carson was so “concerned” over people’s souls, why didn’t we hear him come out publicly to say “he’d pray for the Pope?”

            Passive aggressive response disguised as “concern.”

            Give me a break!

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            • TheTorch says:

              I read a posting on another website where a Carson supporter has now said they will no longer support Carson but instead another candidate, not Trump but one of the others.

              The reason given because if Carson can’t defend himself then why should his supporters ? Basically they have had enough of this laid back nice approach, and want to see some fighting spirit.

              Just thought I would mention this, as if others are thinking along similar lines, and we know how soft his support is, could be interesting to see what develops.

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              • phil fan says:

                And down goes our good Doctor exactly as scripted by Big D. His support will go to Cruz? Fine, Cruz will have trouble with the D too. They all will. DT is trouble, trouble, trouble right here in River City.

                Man this is good.

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          • sandraopines says:

            So is that what the good Dr will do in office? Pray for Putin? hmmmmm

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            • phil fan says:

              Correct Sandra. And he will give him a good deal on the book, count on it.
              Trump cracked me up with his crack “Hey I’m just trying to save you the cost of a book” in his take down of good Ben.

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    • jackmcg says:

      A microcosm of Carson’s campaign: This will play really well with evangelicals, but NOBODY else.

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  32. Kelli says:

    If anyone is interested, the local paper in Fort Dodge has a poll up, asking if Trump will be a good president.
    Messengernews.net

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  33. KBR says:

    Perhaps his brother is a Christian who resists obfuscating the truth, even for his brother?

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  34. NHVoter says:

    From 2013: Head of ICE union said Rubio lied to him re immigration enforcement. Are we surprised?
    http://lidblog.com/ice-president-says-marco-rubios-liar/#

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  35. Trumpster2016 says:

    Wow, he is relentless when he puts his mind to something!

    Liked by 6 people

  36. 1984 says:

    Hi all, first time posting here 🙂

    Has anyone seen this yet? Just posted on Trumps Instagram. Aboslutly brutal!

    View this post on Instagram

    Happy Friday the 13th

    A post shared by President Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) on

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    • I take Trump at his word. Brutally honest folks say what they mean and mean what they say. Trump is one of them. This ad is calling into question the validity of Carson’s claims, and thus his integrity; whilst leaving the question that even if his claims are true, they are just as bad. At the same time even making a statement not just as a candidate but as a citizen himself: “WE don’t need a president that is…”

      It’s tough. But it’s true.

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    • lilbirdee'12 says:

      Welcome to the Treehouse, 1984.

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  37. Ziiggii says:

    Does anyone have any more info on this ?

    Just curious, wonder if that rumored meeting had anything to do with Trump and/or DT coming out last night swinging for the K.O.

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  38. Dora says:

    Bill Mitchell comments beneath the article – Trump is Palinizing Carson through repetition. Trump understands neuro-linguistic programming. He is literally hypnotizing the listeners into having subconscious doubts about Carson. .It’s worked on Bush, Perry, Walker and Fiorina so far. All seemed harsh when he did them, all were effective.
    .

    Trump: Carson ‘Pathological,’ Iowa Voters ‘Stupid,’ Vows to ‘Bomb the Sh*t Out of ISIS’
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/13/trump-carson-pathological-iowa-voters-stupid-vows-to-bomb-the-sht-out-of-isis/#comment-2357917005

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    • boojum says:

      IMHO Donald is following his usual pattern. He collects the facts of a situation, then throws out a red meat statement to bait the press. During the rabid and predictable attack he maintains his ground, and due to the attention he has focused on the subject, the facts (which he has already substantiated for himself) come out for consumption by the general public. Result: Trump is proved to be right, and ahead of everybody else.

      This is what he did on immigration, and this is what I believe is happening in regard to Ben Carson. It seems obvious to me, and I’m sure to “the Donald” that there is so much negative info boiling up around Carson with his questionable stories and even more questionable connections, that it is only a matter of time before his campaign implodes.

      Donald is simply getting at the head of the parade that is beginning to form — focusing a laser on what everyone is beginning to suspect about Carson and thus reinforcing the meme that he is always right on the facts, steadfast, and many steps ahead of the pack. Pretty much what you want in a leader.

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      • Good analysis, boojum. While others try to “get in front” of the negatives, Donald Trump creates the negatives for his opponents by proactively provoking the press, and using them to not only validate Trump’s positions, but also to attack his opponents. By the time his opponents recover (if they even can recover) Donald has already moved on to the next talking point. He’s playing his opponents like so many fiddles.

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      • Ivehadit says:

        Totally agree. If there is one thing Trump is NOT, it’s stupid. (Ya listening all you media?)
        Trump is a winner. Period.

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  39. lovely says:

    Carson just held a press conference.

    But not before Carson advocate says that Carson feels sorry for imploding, immature Donald Trump and that Ben is praying for Donald.

    CNN says that Trump’s remarks were over the top even for Trump 😉

    CNN’s banner “Soon: Carson responds to Trump’s stunning rant

    Question from reporter at Carson press conference ; “How do you feel about Trump telling Iowans that they would have to be stupid to believe your redemption story”? <<< Of course Trump did no such thing.

    Honestly I can’t remember what Carson’s response was.

    Asked if the Trump has the temperament to be president, Ben’s answer paraphrased, “I don’t act like Trump.”

    Asked about his pathological temper and whether it is an appropriate subject for Trump to talk about, Carson says that he wishes that Trump’s people would educate Trump that “pathological” is not incurable, “just highly abnormal” :/ .

    And good for Carson he told a mope that Trump did not call him a child molester and chastised the jackal press.

    Bigger problem for Carson;

    Carson claims to have material to prove that China is in Syria and he is surprised that he himself, Carson, has better intelligence than National Security :/. Carson’s big reveal of his evidence will be released over the weekend.

    Meanwhile once again the news is all about Trump 😉

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  40. PremAmerica says:

    “Say what you will about Christianity… But we are not doing a very good job of protecting it..”

    Did y’all hear Trump say that in the middle of his speech yesterday? He also said, “I’ll protect you.”

    You’ll be surprised (knowing you guys, probably not) by what happens in the next few weeks. Trump sincerely believes that Carson exploits his religiosity and is outraged by it. He will force people to confront their choices and they’ll accept Trump as the defender of their value system.

    “I had anger issues when I was a kid. I wanted to punch people in the stomach.” – Barack Obama

    “I had anger issues when I was a kid. I tried to stab people in the stomach.” – Ben Carson

    Really?

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  41. Dora says:

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  42. MsCynlynn says:

    Has anyone heard of Chuck Nielsen? Here is a comment he put on Carly Fiorina’s page. It’s on her post about donating $3 to her campaign.

    My name is Charles Nielsen and I was an employee with HP from 1/2000 until 8/2001. I worked in the Boise, Idaho Data Center. I was the sole Customer Engineer allowed to work on Carly’s Private Server. It was kept under lock and key and I was the only engineer allowed to work on it under the direct supervision of the Data Center Manager; I was new to the company and was used as a dupe. In March of 2001, just before Carly Fiorina had taken control of HP from Walter Hewlett, I was asked to remove the 5 hard drives from her personal server and physically destroy them with a hammer. I asked why I would destroy hard drives that at the time were worth over $15k apiece and I was told because she said so. Shortly after destroying all evidence of her conspiracy to take over the company she removed Walter Hewlett from the board of directors and made off with approximately $500 million dollars from the company with the rest of the board of directors ($100 million for Carly personally). All of her emails and all working documents were destroyed. I have kept my silence until now when I find it highly offensive that after laying off close to 30k workers and sending stock prices into the gutter ( $55 a share when Fiorina took over to a little less than $20 a share under her leadership) she is pretending she would never behave like Hillary has. Carly Fiorina is as corrupt as they come.

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  43. Dora says:

    Carson now has to explain his remarks about China.
    ..

    Carson clarifies remarks on China in Syria
    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/260033-carson-clarifies-remarks-on-china-in-syria

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    • Rene says:

      Oooooh! That was good. Thanks for posting.

      Like

    • Plain Jane says:

      This was so good I don’t need a desert tonight. 🙂 TY jackntx

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    • shelleybear66 says:

      Wow! Amazing! Yes…the “hangover” of Trump’s speech last night has stayed with me all day long. I was “shaken up” and depressed by it this morning ( thinking all the “softies” would not vote for him because of it), but as day has gone on…I am feeling so much better…and AMAZED by what I witnessed last night!
      President Trump 2016!!!
      BTW…spread this video EVERYWHERE!!

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      • phil fan says:

        Hit us like a ton of Trump bricks Shelley. Tho we had different reactions the impact was enormous:

        “Presentation skills. Holy cow. Trump has always been good at this game, but he took it up a level with the Iowa speech. I’m a professional speaker, and I was in awe. Watch his body language, his intonations, and his humor. He owned that audience. And he wasn’t reading a teleprompter. I believe this speech will be replayed in college classrooms for years as an example of best practices in persuasion.”

        -Scott Adams

        Like

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Very good. He pointed out that Trump makes pictures in your head. That is absolutely true, at least for me.

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  44. FreedomNinja says:

    First I’d like to say that I am a new entry to this website, and I thank you for the opportunity to be part of the treehouse. So far I have found excellent conversation and insight. By the way, not to be braggadocious, I was wearing my light blue Donald Trump tie earlier this week, and it got amazing comments. In fact, every time I wear it, people say positive things. I don’t get that with any other ties. In fact, if you took a poll of all my ties, my Donald Trump tie would easily lead that poll.

    Liked by 8 people

    • lilbirdee'12 says:

      Welcome to the Treehouse, FreedomNinja. Encouraging news. That beautiful tie can lead to informative conversations. Use it to your advantage ! TRUMP 2016

      Liked by 6 people

  45. Dora says:

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  46. Meyer says:

    This cartoon on Kasich is funny – hope my attempt at pasting it here comes through.

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  47. JRD says:

    An At OF US Chamber OF Corporatism DESPERATION!!!

    Who reads this rag any longer. They ban comments of dissent.

    National RINO’s propagandist Kevin Williamson is out promoting his soon-to-be released book entitled, “The Case Against Trump.” A recent news release from a public relations firm pushing Willamson and the book suggests that the book’s “thesis” will present both a condemnation Trump and the plurality of Republican voters who support Trump.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/13/national-review-helps-clear-way-rubio-war-trump/

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    • rsmith1776 says:

      Kevin Williamson is the notorious sellout who notoriously called Trump voters as “worse than whale dung” (sic).

      I do not mind Kevin Williamson being a press prostitute – a profession which makes up in tradition what it surely lacks in nobility.

      I find it embarrassing though that Kevin Williamson’s price is so abysmally low. To buy a Shih Tzu dog would ask for a much more considerable investment. To clean a small Shih Tzu would be easier than to do the same with its bigger counterpart, Kevin Williamson.

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