Jessica Lane Chambers Murder – Day #83 – The Lead Investigator, DA Champion…

The full 20 minute press conference with DA John Champion is available HERE. After some initial review, here is some takeaway.

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Champion outlines not only the timeline for Jessica’s activity on December 6th, but he also inadvertently timelines the investigative authority. Confirmed within the press conference is a confirmation the Panola County Sheriff’s Department, Sheriff Denis Darby, was the first law enforcement agency to respond to the murder (Saturday 12/6/14).

The next agency to assist on the case was the US Marshals Service (USMS), who became involved the next evening (Sunday 12/7/14), which is the same day DA Champion responded to the crime by arriving in Courtland Sunday afternoon.

The third agency was the Federal and/or State Alcohol Tobbacco and Firearms (ATF) team who engaged by the end of the first week due to the arson aspect of the case. Those agencies were soon followed by the FBI who, according to Champion and Darby, they asked for forensic and technical assistance.

Jessica chambers invest 23 keystone cops

This agency aspect affirms all of our prior research and becomes important because it affirms the USMS was active in the area in some capacity prior to the event that led to Jessica’s death.

Some people have speculated that Jessica might have been subject to the Federal Witness Protection program (WitSec) due to the speed of USMS involvement. While that is wildly speculative, given the nature of the inconsistencies within the known details, it actually cannot be ruled out.

Why would a District Attorney be lead investigator? Why would the USMS be so rapidly involved? Why would a crime scene be so disengenuously handled? Why would the most critical evidence, the burned vehicle, be removed from the scene within an hour?

These brutally odd factual realities, along with a few more less conspicuous outcomes, support those who theorize the WitSec aspect – and keep the consideration from being dismissed completely.

john championBack to the Champion Press Conference. Just like every time Sheriff Darby or DA Champion speaks to the public there are some wildly non-understandable outcomes as a result of the content they deliver.

Champion gives a timeline for Jessica’s activity on the day in question. The activity is based on CCTV capturing her movements, interviews with people who talked to or saw her on the day in question, and USMS technological forensics in tracking her cell phone; this is called geo-location.

The “geo-location” capability of the USMS is the most technologically advanced in the entire Federal arsenal of law enforcement.  The USMS also have “stingray” technology, which are devices that capture EXTENSIVE transmitted data; because they are known to have been conducting some kind of activity in the area it is quite possible ‘stingray’ units were already in place.

Regardless of Stingray deployment the traditional cell tower ping logs and geo-location from GPS would still be highly accurate in locating the signal from Jessica’s cell phone.

The cell phone tracking is what was used (mostly) by Champion to frame and focus the media during press conference.

However, it should be noted -early and often- that phone tracking is only that, tracking a phone. The assumption is the phone is with the owner; regardless of probability this is an assumption and not a verifiable fact.

It is assumed that Jessica’s phone was on her person during the timeline presented.

Additionally, it must also be noted that just because the phone is operable, this does not evidence the health or well-being of Jessica while the phone was “on” or “trackable”. Again, the assumption is that Jessica was alive and well during the timeline as described.

jessica chambers selfieLisa daugherty 2 w heather

According to DA Chambers Jessica was home, or near home, for most of the day up to a point at approximately 5:00pm when she left home to run errands as described by her mother Lisa Daugherty:

♦ Sometime shortly after 5:00pm Jessica received a phone call and she left home. The caller is identified and as a friend, and Champion said “no bearing on the case”.
♦ Her immediate travel took her to the M&M First Stop gas station where she was identified on CCTV at 5:24pm
♦ She then travels to a “residence” (confirmed “house”) shortly before 6:00pm where she stayed for 5-7 minutes.
♦ She leaves the residence (headed North) and at 6:10 pm is identified at SR #51 and Highway #6 in Batesville where she is identified in the area (via private CCTV) for approximately 10 to 15 minutes.
♦ The timeline then puts Jessica back in Courtland area at 6:30pm (location not given) where a timeline void begins for almost an hour.
♦ At 7:31 pm her phone is identified in the area where she was later found. It is assumed she is with the phone.
♦ From approximately 6:30pm to 7:31pm her activity and location, according to DA Champion, *is not known. This is the period he is requesting the public to provide assistance with.
♦ At 8:09pm a call to the fire department is made.
♦ At 8:13pm the Panola Volunteer fire department arrive. Within minutes, according to responding Fire Chief Cole Haley, he calls for a paramedic, an air ambulance, and a direct call for P1 (Sheriff Darby)
♦ At 9:30pm Jessica’s burned vehicle is photographed on a tow truck at M&M gas station.

Jessica timeline 12-6-14

Thank You Diane for the graphic.

In addition, in direct relationship to the missing hour (6:30pm to 7:31pm) Lisa Daugherty has claimed to have had a phone conversation with Jessica for “twenty minutes”. According to Daugherty the call was from 6:48pm to 7:08pm (she also said 7:13pm). Daugherty discussion/interview HERE.

Which begs the obvious question, if Daugherty was talking to Jessica at that time, why is the USMS unable to detect the phone use with the data forensics employed for the rest of the timeline. [Yet another, odd and unanswered question skipped by the media.]

In my humble opinion, this missing hour aspect is intentionally created by Champion.

If you try to reconcile the “claimed” absence of phone tracking, against their obvious ability to track the phone, you might also note something about the presser and subsequent Q&A interview – if you watch the video.

DA John Champion has ‘no reference notes’, yet he is explaining a timeline. Meaning, and/or implying, he is delivering information with an intent to use the media for more than just delivery of critical detail.

He is using the media for a purpose; the purpose, in my opinion, is not just to deliver a timeline.

What that purpose is remains unknown, but this press conference is not just to ask for the public’s assistance – he is creating something. Again, assuming Daugherty is accurate and not lying about talking to Jessica, it could be Champion is protecting something (a witness?) by trying to say they don’t have any information around a time which they should easily have.

In essence, the “void” may have a purpose.

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920 Responses to Jessica Lane Chambers Murder – Day #83 – The Lead Investigator, DA Champion…

  1. Jan says:

    Do you think the cops are closing in?

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  2. Steele81 says:

    Thank you for keeping this story alive. I think about this child every day. Then I shake my head and say to myself, I don’t fit in this world. Jesus I’m ready for You to come back

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  3. 2+2 says:

    Sundance, thank you for another concise analysis.

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    • casimir915 says:

      I agree, CTH and sundance in particular deserve major credit. However, I have to put out there — for everyone criticizing local LE, including me — might we not have been premature? All of you who called Champion a dumbass, is that conclusion still so defensible? Of course, anything is theoretically possible, but where are we now?

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      • derksut says:

        I don’t know all that is going on behind the scenes, other than what they have stated in the press and here and there on the internet. But from what I’ve observed, no, “”dumbass” is still my opinion.
        He is still asking for someone to come forward, confess, put their hands behind their back and walk into jail, case closed. Or for someone else to tell them what happened, endanger themselves and their family, so they can have a “suspect” at last.
        Crime scene hastily and poorly cleared, evidence tainted, CCTV tampered with and only located through local reporter, lying about when they received it, criminals let out on weekends, stating there was “no gang problem” here. Could go on.
        Poor choice of words, but, there seems to be no “fire” burning in him to find the killers and bring Justice for Jessica. I could be wrong Casmir, but that is what I’ve observed from afar.
        And yes, not good to judge, I am guilty of that. My apologies to the DA and local LE, but really? 84 days? Still no solid lead that will give you a suspect?

        Heck, the Ole Miss attire alone is enough for me to consider “dumbass”.

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        • Tracer Round says:

          “Heck, the Ole Miss attire alone is enough for me to consider “dumbass”.”

          Not appropriate for this board. Think you ought to edit.

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          • DixieNurse says:

            Ole Miss talk is inappropriate, but it’s OK for you to write this:
            “Tracer Round says:
            February 19, 2015 at 1:29 pm
            What is a “CRS”?
            A form of Mild Cognitive Impairment, known in the vernacular as Can’t Remember S#$%”

            Yeah. Pot, kettle, and all that.
            #justiceforjessica

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          • justfactsplz says:

            We have moderators and you’re not one of them. I thing you ought not tell Derksut what is or is not appropriate for this board. You say your comment was humor. Perhaps his was too. Lighten up as you say.

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            • Tracer Round says:

              Many of my geriatric patients complain of “CRS Syndrome”. That is where i got it from.

              You and the nurse would do well to discern the difference between insult and humor.

              BTW. I am a proud Ole Miss grad.

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              • justfactsplz says:

                It’s nice that you are proud of your college. Most people are and they have rivals. Down here the Gators hate the Seminoles, lol.

                I am familiar with the humorous wording of CRS. Use here it usually means the Community Relations Service.

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                • Tracer Round says:

                  Just so that you recall the OP of my comment,
                  “Heck, the Ole Miss attire alone is enough for me to consider “dumbass”.”

                  This was an insult to Ole Miss fans which was OOB for this thread

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  I saw the comment. I thought it was done jokingly not literally. It brings to mind many comments on other cases’ threads. Some people use humor differently than others I guess.

                  What I find more offensive is some of the fights on the Jessica threads. Some people just can’t seem to accept others my have a different opinion and they argue in a very not nice way. I never seen it happen in other cases we worked on. Just this one.

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        • John says:

          Yes.

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      • Nycgal says:

        I still go with frightening incompetence. And his performance at the ” news” conference is illustrative of that IMO. He is woefully inarticulate, he provided a muddy timeline with that one hour gap, he did not work from notes or provide a chart so there was no mistaking the timeline, he contradicted himself, he brushed off the question about criminal activity, he dresses casually and his affect is so casual as to not inspire confidence, and until this day has never offered an explanation for the corruption of the crime scene.

        But he is one lucky guy. And he counts on this: The so-called reporters are just as incompetent as he is.

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        • 2+2 says:

          oh but he did! He said he has no problem with how the crime scene or the car was handled, because it was all burnt up so they couldn’t tell what was in it anyway. 😛

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          • 2+2 says:

            QUOTES:
            Champion disagrees with the petition. He said, I don’t have any concerns whatsoever about the way the crime scene was handled

            He added that he doesn’t think towing Jessica Chambers’ car to a gas station first had any effect on evidence at all. He said, “The car was burned so bad, we don’t know at this point what was in there

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          • reconcharlie76 says:

            The autopsy results: “Didn’t tell us anything we didn’t expect?” Just like the scene, throw your hands up in the air Champion?

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        • Lottacats says:

          I agree with all that. He could change his shirt though, ya think?

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      • derksut says:

        Sorry casmir, didn’t intend to offend anyone here, and especially not you who lives there in Mississippi, I enjoy your input. Bad attempt at humor early this morning

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      • Les says:

        I called the DA a DA. I haven’t changed my mind yet. He made a huge mistake putting himself out there as point man. As I see it, and you are in a good position to correct my thinking, his main role should have been behind the scenes instructing investigators in matters of collecting statements and evidence. Instead, he couldn’t resist the need for publicity and came right out of the box with good-ol-boy rhetoric. Early days should have been about scaring the life out of the perps, not letting them relax because they didn’t plan on making any arrests. I don’t see him as cagey yet. And I don’t believe everything he says.

        I understand the DA can be considered the head of local law enforcement agencies, but I’m not sure all the eggs should be in Champion’s basket. He has several counties and untold amounts of crime in his area of responsibility. I can’t see him being the best choice to lead any investigation. Is he the only person fit to speak to the public in Panola County? Bad perception to have out there.

        He took too long to act. Justice delayed is justice denied.

        Am I missing something, casimir? Releasing a timeline three months later didn’t impress me (and I’m not convinced the timeline is accurate in regards to the “missing hour.”

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        • 2+2 says:

          It’s a conflict of interest for him to be the lead in an investigation. He should not be allowed to prosecute the case; the Assistant DA will or they will have to move the trial.

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        • jakeandcrew says:

          I think DA Champion might have had to be the point man out of necessity. Sheriff Darby is the other option, and after that first press conference, where Darby said some odd things, either DA Champion recognized himself, or was told by the many federal agencies helping him – Sheriff Darby cannot be the guy in front of the cameras for this case. We haven’t seen or heard much from Darby since then.

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          • wanthetruth says:

            Darby has too much dirty laundry right now to be on camera – although they seem to control the media as far as I can see. Darby’s relative fired from PCSO for sexual allegations with granddaughter and Darby’s own pending lawsuit for assault on a fellow LEO kind of take away from a feeling of trust in execution of his duties.

            Might have been mitigating circumstances with fellow LEO but activities went a little beyond professiona – what’s that say to to the people he “protects and serves”.

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  4. DatSouthernBelle says:

    I don’t know how to do a screen cap, but on The Panolian newspaper’s facebook page, there is a a post about the press conference. Under the comment Buffy Sue Mott’s posted, Lisa comments that she doesn’t understand about the missing hour either.

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    • firefly says:

      I think anyone should be able to read the comments on The Panolian that I am moving to this thread from the last thread.
      http://t.co/SwC2cKyc9w

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      • DatSouthernBelle says:

        Thanks firefly!

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        • firefly says:

          🙂

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        • lorac says:

          But Lisa and Ali both altered their time line to start an hour earlier in this saga, no? It seems that the earlier time is now accepted, so wouldn’t that mean that Lisa’s call to Jessica was during the 5-5:30 period now, instead of 6-6:30? (assuming the call ever took place)

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          • 2+2 says:

            IMO Lisa altered hers because LE believed Ali’s DST story, and she doesn’t have enough confidence in her own memory and isn’t a strong enough person to stick to hers with all the judment and criticism she’s received about her stories changing. However, IMO the timeline is full of holes using that and JLC leaving the house around 6pm fits better. It puts her in Courtland at 6:30. If they have evidence other than the CCTV and gangbanger “witnesses” at M&M who can place Jessica at M&M at 5:30, I’ll believe it.

            I’m aware that older CCTV systems using DVD have to be reset manually. But I simply don’t believe that he failed to do that. What’s the point of having a security system that doesn’t match up with the timestamps on everything else such as registers and pumps? Aside from doing fun things like humiliating older customers by making them do silly dances for drugs of course.

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            • AghastInFL says:

              Lisa has no need for a concise memory, every call she makes from her phone is precisely timed and detailed by her carrier; consult the history and confirm the call time, easy peasy.

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      • lovelyd24 says:

        Calls to the tip line have been non-existent lately according to Champion who said once the “crazies and (sic) *physics” quit calling it has been very, very quiet

        psychics (We can only assume and hope that Champion said psychics not physics* ) though unfortunately if he said physics I would not be surprised.

        What “investigator” says that the only folks who called the tip lines were “crazies and psychics”? Simple logic tells us it is one of two things 1) an incredibly ignorant person 2) a person who does not want people calling the tip line.

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      old-fashioned way to do a screencap. this requires a keyboard other than alaptop keyboard, as I am too old and don’t know the trick to do this with a laptop, where key functions are a bit differnt.
      Screencap: get your cursor clicked on in the page you want to capture to make it active or current (i.e., don’t have another window open and “current”);
      at the same time, press “ALT” and “print screen.”
      open MS Paint – it will open to a blank picture to be created and saved.
      click cursor in that new open filed in MS Paint.
      do “paste” command, or press “CTRL” and “V” simultaneously (this is the general shortcut for “paste.”

      Now, you should have a grahpical image that looks nearly exactly like the webpage.
      Save as..whatever option you like: jpeg, etc.

      Advanced! – use the crop tool to select whatever rectangular region you want:
      here are the steps:
      select a region;
      do “cut” command (“CRTL” and “X” simultaneously);
      close the MS Paint file you are working on, without saving (or open a new MS Paint file);
      open a new MS Paint file;
      Do “paste” – the portion you want, that you cut out from the first image should show up in this image.

      Save as: however and wherever you want to save, with whatever name/title you want.

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  5. Roy says:

    So is it possible that manufactured void has to do with Ali?

    “At 9:30pm Jessica’s burned vehicle is photographed on a tow truck at M&M gas station.”
    I forgot about this oddity in my last post. If Ali had no involvement, then why was Jessica’s car brought to the M&M and why did he photograph it, then post to social media? Wouldn’t it be strange for the tow truck operator to decide on a whim, hey, I think I’ll drive this car over to the M&M so Ali can see it. If the tow truck operator did that because he found the burned out car cool, why didn’t he show it off anywhere else?

    Ali is enmeshed with Panola’s criminal activity and I think introduces some of his own into the mix.

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    • 2+2 says:

      car accidents seem to be very common in Panola County. Why would Ali want to take a picture of THIS one?

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        The heinousness of the crime, is what first comes to mind..To then post it on FB is crazy

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        • 2+2 says:

          Indeed. Unless he knew whose car it was, and knew someone was waiting to see evidence of a job done.

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          • Lottacats says:

            Ali probably knew whose car it was. These little neighborhood stores hear all the gossip, true or whatever but enough to have ideas about almost anyone in the neighborhood.
            May be cleared as to the actual deed but hard to believe he heard no talk at all.
            That place and at his age equals gossip central. (the little prick!)

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            • Ziiggii says:

              oh, he knows! No real reason for there to be “death threats” purely due to internet gossip. Unless… gossip around town by word of mouth?

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      • John says:

        Maybe because it (the car) was at his gas station and he knew Jessica. Not defending Ali, however.

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        • 2+2 says:

          In the interview, he claims he didn’t know whose car it was when he took the pictures. He claims he didn’t find out until later that night when the police supposedly visited around closing time to review the CCTV. Lies. We KNOW they didn’t go see the tapes until after the TV station saw them Wednesday.

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    • distracted2 says:

      Champion states in the video that Ali has been cleared because video in the store verifies that he was physically in the store the entire time. However, that doesn’t clear him of any involvement. It just means that he didn’t do it himself. And because Champion does not state to the contrary, as far as I’m concerned, he is still a suspect just like everyone else.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Notice how Champion is also quick to assure us that the phone call Jessica received immediately before leaving the house is not connected to the case.

        For a “Lead Investigator” who is supposed to be approaching this case with an open mind and investigating all possibilities, he seems awfully eager to reassure us that certain people (such as Ali) aren’t involved.

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      • sundaybu says:

        I never understood why there have been so many announcements stating that Ali is cleared. Obviously, police can verify he was the ONLY person in Courtland who was filmed the entire evening due to the CCTV (maybe the chicken lady too). But to be cleared 100% of any involvement? If everyone is a suspect, how can Ali be cleared, and how can the DA know the 5pm call was unrelated? Also, gas cans being filled for a generator- DA said so early on that was unrelated.

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        Hit it

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        • 180daysofkindergarten says:

          I think “cleared” means something totally different to Champion. Also. if Ali is related to a bigger crime situation in Courtland, it makes sense on several levels to “clear” him. Self preservation comes to mind, as well as the integrity of a larger investigation. Although looking at these idiots, my money is on self preservation.

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    • alkikila says:

      He is a CI, undercover, or plane olé witness. No other reason to mention his name specifically. I’m leaning undercover.

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      • 2+2 says:

        DA also cleared Brejuan during his first interview. “we know who that person is and he has been cleared.” I seriously doubt either cameljock or gascanman are undercover. Both of their body language during interviews say “lying”; Ali contradicts himself a lot during his, and Brejuan is verrry carefully reciting a script, making sure he gets each word right. Neither of them make eye contact with the reporter.

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      • Diane says:

        ….I do believe Ali has some kind of “tie” to LE – how else could he get away with the criminal activity AND be “cleared” so quickly? He knew all the players on BOTH sides of the law and managed to buffalo his way through. He had early knowledge and shared it on FB for a reason and purpose. Let’s not forget Ali’s statement from 12-07-14 at 1:37am that “the cops came to the store and told us she died instantly” with another photo of JC’s car and his very next post states “N they told us who did ( it ) n erryting” ….Really Ali ?

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        • 2+2 says:

          I’ve seen another convo that took place earlier when he first posted the pictures, right after the wrecker was there.

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    • janetsumr says:

      I couldn’t resist going into the M&M this morning when I was in the area for business. Interesting that the lady in front of me bought beer and 4 loose cigarettes. Not an egregious crime, but speaks to the climate of lawlessness that is apparently still active at that store. There was a reward poster with Jessica’s picture by the door. Gave me the creeps.

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  6. jewelsc6 says:

    I sure hope their is a witness.. I thought maybe Champion was just throwing us a bone..TY sundance !

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    • punkinseed says:

      Thanks for defining this better SD. It agrees with what I predicted yesterday before the press conference: LE is attempting to control the narrative.

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        I wonder if the CRS is behind this, trying to influence the narrative.

        In other words, are they trying to distort the public’s understanding of the timeline and circumstances of the crime, to draw attention away from black perpetrators?

        I still haven’t forgotten the ridiculous stories about “white motorcycle gangs” or “the Aryans” that were floated shortly after the murder, only to mysteriously fade away after they were smacked down and rejected by everyone with a brain.

        Is the CRS trying out a new strategy?

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  7. alkikila says:

    Thanks for the new thread. He seemed really sure of the case to me. Almost like the hay is in the barn, just need to round up the mules.

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    • punkinseed says:

      Sure does. And, like SD said, Champion didn’t use any notes to give this “exact” timeline. That shows a lot of confidence or hubris.

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      • sundaybu says:

        I noticed Champion had no notes too, but I thought it showed how involved he was, that he didn’t need notes because he knows the facts of the case so well. Maybe he wanted to project that.

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  8. peppie says:

    This is the story that turned me on to this site. Keep on keeping on Sundance. God Bless you all.

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  9. waltherppk says:

    That phone pings every 7 seconds

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    • sundance says:

      I did not know how often, but I did make inquiries and find out it’s impossible for the USMS not to have geo-location if the call between Jessica and Lisa was indeed taking place.

      Apparently the call makes the location even more easy to identify down to a 3 yard radius.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        I think we may have missed a glaring possibility that Lisa could have been using a land line phone (ie doesn’t know when she had the conversation) but even still they would have Jessica’s end of that conversation in their data points. If there was a conversation as Lisa says and it was quite due to something nefarious on going at the time, they know exactly where she was in that hour and her movements if any there after.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Ziig, she said the timestamp for hanging up at 7:13 is in her phone.

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          • wanthetruth says:

            Actually cordless landline phones can show that also. My impression was a cell but can you text message on a cordless landline? I haven’t had one for years and am not up on that info.

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            • 2+2 says:

              No. At least mine doesn’t text, but it isn’t the latest model lol. I can “text” someone’s last name to find them in a company directory, or to order a prescription,etc., but as far as messaging, no.

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          And the time of the call would show up on the bill

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        • Old Redneck says:

          Ziiggii, Did you fail to consider her comments that she first attempted to text message Jessica? I am not aware that a normal land line has that ability. Then again, I have reached the stage that IMO the murderers will not be allowed to be identified until after the current POTUS and his side kick (aTTorney Generaless) are out of office. It would not fair well for them to allow the announcement of a hate crime committed by non whites to have occurred, much less allow prosecution for said crime!

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          • Ziiggii says:

            Yes, I did consider those comments. I also considered the possibility that she could have used her son’s, Chris, cell phone as well. Or any other person that might have been at the house at the time.

            I just made the suggestion, more so directed to myself, not to forget an additional possibility.

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          • 2+2 says:

            This is from an earlier thread, taken from a print article:
            Her older sister, Amanda Prince, said Jessica called their mother from a gas station and told her she would be home right after she cleaned her car

            Notice who called who. Taken with a grain of salt. IMO Jessica got a call or text from Lisa while she was in the store and let it go to voicemail. Ali said she got a call in the store. Then she returned the call. Alternatively, Lisa called/texted while Jessica was on her way to M&M, and Jessica called her back when she got there. That could be the 3 minutes in the car before she went into the store to pay for her gas.

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            • MissMagnolia says:

              Which is why the 6:32 pm time, not 5:32 pm as she leaves the store makes the most sense in the time frame which mom says they talked. She drives off, pulls in somewhere to clean out car perhaps, finishes call with mom, hangs up and somewhere between 7:13 and 7:31 she ends up on Herron rd. or something like that…the point is I agree with you….the time was 6:32. It just fits IMO.

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      • twoeyes1947 says:

        As I recall, Lisa originally said that JC left home around 6:00 and that she spoke with her again at 6:48 for about 20 minutes. Well, she changed the departure time to about 5:00 but did not change the time of the call. Could the call have begun at 5:48?

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        • deqwik2 says:

          That’s what I was thinking. She would have been on the phone with her mother while driving to Batesville making her phone pings easy to trace. I don’t know where she was seen in Batesville but seems she was being truthful to her mom about where she was going.

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        • 2+2 says:

          doubt it. She says the timestamp for ending the call at 7:13 is in her phone.

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  10. ShepherdDawg says:

    Great analysis, Sundance.

    I hope you are right that Champion is trying to protect a witness with the “void” hour of time.

    If so, that might explain why the location Jessica was placed at when she returned to Courtland after going to Batesville wasn’t released.

    Although if they have a witness, I don’t understand why there haven’t been any arrests yet…

    I am hoping the explanation is that the FBI, USMS, etc are waiting until they can take EVERYONE involved in some bigger criminal enterprise down.

    But the fact remains, it has been more than two months, and still no arrests have been made.

    I am going to try to look at the location she was placed at in Batesville (SR #51 and Highway #6) and see if I can notice anything that might be relevant (locations of CCTV cameras, etc).

    I wonder how far that Batesville location is from the motel that has been linked to prostitution (I forget the motel’s name).

    It would be interesting to know where in Courtland Jessica was before the timeline “void” begins. I wish Champion had released that information (unless it would expose a witness or otherwise compromise the investigation).

    With regard to the reporters at the press conference, it seems that the news media in the Panola area is incapable of asking any incisive questions.

    It’s very disappointing that no reporter has tried to pin down Champion and Darby with the question: WHO authorized the car to be towed before evidence was collected and secured? Was it Darby? Was it the chief deputy on duty? WHO is responsible for the devastating destruction of the crime scene and the resulting loss of vital forensic evidence?

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    • JohnP says:

      And why is the location of Jessica’s still “allegedly” so far from the car?

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      • Meyer says:

        And why did that one guy (I forgot who) state on Facebook soon after the horrific crime, “How did she [Jessica] get out of the car?”

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        • 2+2 says:

          that was NuNuDuckedOff Suggs, a girl. That’s a question I’ve asked since day 1. How did she know Jessica got out? That wasn’t mentioned in any of the FB comments.

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          • Meyer says:

            Whoa — what a memory or great notes, 2+2!
            Guess I was off on the gender and location of the post — my bad. Thanks for clarifying.
            And yes, I am glad you continue to question it — the comment creeped me out.

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          • Meyer says:

            Now I remember — wasn’t the comment posted on Twitter the morning of December 7th?

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            • Ziiggii says:

              FB, in the thread where Ali posts the picture.

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              • 2+2 says:

                correct. Jaycee Holmes also made a couple of comments that raised my spidey sense.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Diane thank you so much for the screenshots. Are these ones you took, and what TZ are you in if you don’t mind saying?

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                • pspsst says:

                  Notice Ali, Sandy and Nunu’s twits are consecutive. Why?

                  Sandy and Nunu’s are also out of place in content compared to the rest. Ali and Sandy are calm and matter of fact. Nunu is ‘curious’ if it took place in Courtland and how jessica got out of the car. Weird. Fake shock. IMHO.

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                • Diane says:

                  2+2 – I’m in Eastern Time Zone

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                • Diane says:

                  2+2 – for some reason this page is not allowing a “Reply” to your posts to me…so I hope you find this….I believe Jaycee Holmes was/is dating Ali…so they may have had some private FB messaging going on, too…

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Diane thank you. So if you took the screenshots that convo started at approx 9:30 CST. Ali in his interview said he asked the tow driver whose car it was, but wasn’t told until the cops showed up later that night (which we know they didn’t). He knew before the car got there, he was waiting for it. That’s why he took the pictures and posted on FB. JOB DONE. If the feds haven’t already put all this together, shame on them!!!!

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    • Eskie Mom says:

      It is the Skyline Motel, ShepherdDawg.

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    • casimir915 says:

      I made my usual drive through Batesville today after having read all of yesterday’s thread. So, I was extra alert. All of the stoplights along highway 6 from one end of Batesville to the other have what appear to be cameras. Whether they are all operational, I can’t say. The most direct route from Courtland to the area around Sonic, Goody’s, etc. (which the DA identified) is highway 51, right turn onto highway 6. Taking I-55, either from or to Courtland is also possible, but involves overshooting to around Pope. Not impossible, but highly unlikely IMO. The intersection identified by the DA is definitely NOT the first or even the second stoplight on that route between Courtland and Sonic. More like the third or fourth stoplight, minimum.

      IMO, this poor girl went to Batesville, likely to Sonic or Goody’s where she was captured on film, then returned to Courtland almost immediately, and was discovered on fire about two hours later. She was not turning tricks in Batesville, and it’s likely she got a bite to eat in Batesville and immediately headed home, probably consuming some fast food as she drove.

      Therefore, our focus should be laser-like on that hour that the DA has highlighted between 6:30 and 7:31pm. She was up to something other than what she told her mother, which does not necessarily mean something nefarious from her perspective. I agree that the phone call with the mother is a crucial matter to nail down.

      All just IMHO, of course.

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      • 2+2 says:

        Thanks Casimir!

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      • Ziiggii says:

        What agency would be in-charge of the cameras located at those stop lights, City of Batesville or State DoT? Are they traffic observation cameras or “red light” cameras? I assume they aren’t captured at all since DA said the “photo” was from a private security system in that area. So it wouldn’t matter either way.

        BTW – you are awesome collecting all these local pieces of data, Casimir! I mean that sincerely.

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      • crazydaisy67 says:

        Casimir,
        If you take hwy. 51 North from Courtland, stop at the four-way stop sign at the intersection of Eureka Rd. and hwy. 51, turn right onto Eureka Road, then turn left onto Woodland Rd., you will come to a red light beside the Sonic on hwy. 6.

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      • lilbirdee'12 says:

        Great job, Casimir ! I think the DA accomplished what he wanted to do. He put just enough out there to get folks talking…”big” ears are listening ! Those thugs will talk amongst themselves, laughing at his ignorance and reveal the truth, hopefully !

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      • Nycgal says:

        Thank you, Casimir. You’re awesome.

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    • Lottacats says:

      Skyline motel is just s. of Hwy51 @ Hwy 6 intersection. Near that intersection on the West side of 51 is a strip of stores. discount tobacco, liquor, laundry mat, bent and dent grocery (most of that is owned by the guy that owns skyline motel). Cross 6 at light to Walgreens. Cross back over 51 east corner is a Rascals BP that has an automatic carwash. Sears in a strip mall behind BP. Cross 6 on east side is a McDonalds, closed Chinese place on corner. going south on east side of 51 auto zone, a do it yourself car wash ( I hear it’s mostly frequented by blacks) and skyline a little further down on 51 heading back south.
      Geez, I hope this makes sense. I just walked you from corner to corner at the light. Hwy 51@ 6.
      Most all those places would have cameras. Some outside, some inside. Maybe at the light too. B’ville over the last few months has put traffic cameras up.

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      • Lottacats says:

        Sheparddawg, the above was meant for you.
        “I am going to try to look at the location she was placed at in Batesville (SR #51 and Highway #6) and see if I can notice anything that might be relevant (locations of CCTV cameras, etc).”

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      • 2+2 says:

        thank you!

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      They have some very dangerous people on the loose capable of burning a person to death, You would think they would want to arrest them ASAP

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  11. JohnP says:

    I agree the gap is fishing expedition. They know but they need a witness to come forward to confirm. I think they may have this solved but don’t think they have enough for a conviction. They want someone to……change their story. They have questioned 1/4 of the town.

    It’s really not a missing hour if she was on the phone with her mother from 6:48 to 7:13. The next ping puts her where she was murdered at 7:31

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      I was surprised to hear that the phone was at the crime scene at 7:31PM. That would presumably mean Jessica and the car were at the crime scene for more than 40 minutes on a reasonably well-travelled road, before the 911 call. Very strange.

      Also, there is still the mystery of why the cell phone was found near Jessica, but the battery was some distance away.

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      • vin1vid1vic1 says:

        Someone could have abducted her, thrown the phone out into the roadside where it was later found and taken her somewhere else either in her car or by other means. Not sure if the phone would still have a retrievable signal without the battery in it. Then returned to burn the car with Jessica in it. It was night and dark. Jessica may have tried to find the phone to call for help.

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      • hightechjunkie says:

        If that is the case, unless someone was very careful or wore gloves, there should be prints on the battery. It is possible that it was taken apart and thrown to the side to prevent it from being tracked or traced. Dropping the phone in loosely packed soil with a pine needle base should not break it open and knock the battery that far away. Just a thought.

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        • 2+2 says:

          I also immediately thought of fingerprints on the phone and battery weeks ago when LE said they had the phone. A day or so after the murder, someone in a sheriffs office truck was at the scene, picked something up at roadside and put it in a paper bag, went a little further and picked something else up and put it in the bag, then drove off. Maybe that was the phone and battery. I believe CNN was on the scene and got that on tape, but I haven’t seen it to know if the person wore gloves. I seriously doubt it, since the evidence was put in a paper bag. Usually things that might have prints are put in sealed bags.

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      • flyonthewall1 says:

        Shep, I think Jessica was stopped there waiting on someone. I think she was there for some time before her killers arrived.

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        • Les says:

          Maybe somebody walking to meet her? Was Eric Bibb’s son (Tavin, Ke’eric, Tae Migo Biggs, Miga La Banda, Eric Tavian Bibbs) in jail at the time? It’s been so long I can’t remember.

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          • flyonthewall1 says:

            Les, I’m glad you posted his multiple names. I could not think of it earlier. All I could think of was Eric. I couldn’t get any closer than Tae Mango Bibbs. LOL

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    • Eskie Mom says:

      I’m wondering if the person they want to change their story is Lisa Chambers. They are essentially discrediting her (wrt to the phone call) without coming right out & saying so.

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      • TriLee55 says:

        That’s an interesting observation. Plus the fact that she was not even informed of the press conference in advance.

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        • Chewbarkah says:

          You guys are making important points. I agree that Champion appears to want to discredit, or at least ignore, Lisa’s story about the call. Not informing Lisa about the presser certainly fits, since he would not want her to show up with inconvenient questions and information for the reporters.

          So why wouldn’t he want the call to be mentioned? If Lisa’s call existed, the location of JLC’s phone could be tracked during that time. That means Champion knows where she was minutes before her death but is projecting the idea that he does not. Motives could be to protect witnesses, protect the killer(s), protect internal misdeeds (such as involvement by inmates, informants, etc.), or protect other investigations. My gut instinct is that the motive is nefarious, and he desires to bury the case.

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      • 2+2 says:

        I’m wondering the same thing. If wishes were horses, we’d all ride…but I wish Lisa had shown that 7:13 timestamp to the reporter during her interview. She knows how much everyone doubts anything she says, doing that would have helped a lot and gone a long way toward re-establishing some credibility for her. I wonder if she was told NOT to?

        LISA IF YOU’RE READING THIS, TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THE TIMESTAMPS OF YOUR CALLS TO/FROM JLC 12/6 AND POST IT ON FB JFJ PAGE.

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        • Lottacats says:

          Odd to me why DA didn’t just come out and say she was on the phone to her mother at blah blah time to blah blah time. Makes me want to yank my hair out!
          Speaking of hair, I so want to send Lisa an anonymous note with 10 bucks imploring her to shampoo, buy a brush, a hair clip and USE IT but guess I shouldn’t. So tempted though.

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          • Eskie Mom says:

            Doesn’t that just drive you nuts? I never knew what was meant by “stringy” hair. Now, I do. That’s just awful.

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            • 2+2 says:

              pictures of Jessica and her mom together show that their relationship wasn’t all bad or totally disconnected. There are some where they just got back from getting identical haircuts, and some where it’s obvious Jessica has done hair and makeup on both of them, typical Mom and daughter stuff. Someone should treat her to a spa day.

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    • Meyer says:

      That puzzled me as well, JohnP — not an hour, but rather 18 minutes (Lisa’s timeframe) or 23 minutes (Champion’s timeframe).

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      • JohnP says:

        Unknown but known, Champion is playing stupid. If Jessica was on the phone with her mom they know EXACTLY where she was 18 minutes before she was on Herron Road. He keeps pushing the timeline and mentioning the “missing hour” because there is at least one witness (or suspect) who has already been questioned and lied about being with Jessica during the phone call. Why doesn’t he confront the witness? Multiple alibis? CRS?

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        • Ziiggii says:

          CRS

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          • Chewbarkah says:

            If the CRS were trying to squash the case, would the Justice Dept (boss of CRS) allow the FBI (works for DOJ) to put up the seeking-witnesses billboards?

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            • Ziiggii says:

              I don’t know if it’s “squash”, “impede” or “control”?

              I personally lean towards control if for no other reason than to control the narrative. There has been absolutely no one at the Federal level that has commented, to date, after being identified as involved in the investigation. Neither has any of the Panola County Press Corps (nor stated they’ve attempted) interviewed any of the known Federal Agencies, even after the FBI Special Agent out of Jackson was named.

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              • 2+2 says:

                ATF and FBI both commented when they put up rewards. Also the FBI Director Comey commented when he was there. Therefore IMO a pretty high profile case, although I suspect his reasons for being in the area weren’t solely about Jessica.

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            • Truthfilter says:

              In the last few days, I have travelled through Memphis into Arkansas and back through Memphis into Mississippi (drove around in Panola County yesterday.) I looked for these billboards and didn’t see one. Where are they located?

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              • 2+2 says:

                they are rotating digital billboards. The ads rotate through a cycle, you have to wait for the one you want to see.

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  12. punkinseed says:

    Is it possible LE is also protecting some kind of new tech. surveillance system’s existence they don’t want the public to know about?

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  13. MsSmallTown says:

    What are the odds that someone might persuade Lisa to screenshot the time of the call to Jessica on Dec 7th? If that was me, I’d be happy to share it just so others knew that I was telling the truth.

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  14. On today’s smart phones if the Wi-Fi is enabled will search continually for a signal and hit every router within range. They are able to track today’s phone by utilizing this “trick”.

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    • pspsst says:

      If you lose your phone you can find it using GPS. The perps knew this and had to make sure Jessica’s phone was off so Lisa could not with the help of a savvy younger person find Jessica’s whereabouts during the block of time where she was ‘assaulted and killed’.

      Champion said they think the perps are local but doesn’t give reasons why.

      Would the perps more likely turn off Jessica’s phone if they knew her?

      We’re being jerked around by authorities so no real headway can be made. To that extent, I wouldn’t be surprised the threads have been populated by prof molls throwing the scent off early on causing disarray.

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  15. pspsst says:

    Offhand too, I’m apt to believe the battery to Jessica’s phone was pulled out, early on, prior to the crime so that it wouldn’t get turned on accidently. For some reason the battery got put back in quickly for a last minute erase of data, time check, call out to associates or boss for gas or passenger pick up (the recipient would be on a throw away phone)…….

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  16. pspsst says:

    I left this on the previous thread, nested, may have gotten lost. Not sure how it integrates with the purposeful distraction by Champion on the lost block of time.

    Possibilities instead of shutting off their phones:

    1 ) The perps’ phones were left at home as alibi. LE needs witnesses who have seen our named suspects loitering about town and M&M, between 5:00 to 9:00 pm. This includes Kedrick Turner, Rudds, Sscedrick, all possible ‘icks’ in town and Rosco sounding names.

    2 ) Jail house convicts on conjugal or whatever nonsense excuse also seen around town same time frame. These crims are NOT SUPPOSED to have phones, but apparently they get them somehow. If one of the perps low on the gang banger ladder did not have a phone, he may have wanted to use or steal Jessica’s phone as a trophy. The other perp grabbed it and pulled the battery out.

    Sorry I meant, suspects seen loitering away and far from where their phones pinged as alibi. For example, Brejuan is carrying gas at M&M @ 5:25 pm and his phone pings at his trailer as alibi. He’s just one dude.
    
    If Courtland witnesses don’t get their act together and call in en masse, they are severely unprotected by Darby and they better get with the program.
    

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    • pspsst says:

      I meant, suspects seen loitering away and far from where their phones pinged as alibi. For example, Brejuan is carrying gas at M&M @ 5:25 pm and his phone pings at his trailer as alibi. He’s just one dude.

      If Courtland witnesses don’t get their act together and call in en masse, they are severely unprotected by Darby and they better get with the program.

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  17. VegasGuy says:

    ♦ At 7:31 pm her phone is identified in the area where she was later found. It is assumed she is with the phone.

    Considering that her phone with battery removed was recoverd, & that 7:31 PM is a fairly precise time being specified, IMO, he is saying that 7:31 PM was the last ping registered for the phone. And, because technology of GPS can pinpoint a user device to within 3 yards of its’ physical location, the last ping was established as being from the Herron Rd site.

    IMO, i read that as the phone being pinged last at Herron Rd at 7:31 PM, then going silient, & the assumption being both the phone & Jessica were present. Although, as SD points out, the physical location of the device does not assure the physical location of the user.

    The call at 6:48 PM can certainly be verified or refuted merely by examination of the call log records. There either was or was not a call to / from that phone at that time. That being said, I find it difficult to accept that if the phone was in use at 6:48 PM, that no ping / GPS location can be established in the time frame of 6:30 thru 7:31 PM. On a call, that according to Mom, lasted 20 minutes? And Champ does not affirm or refute that call taking place?

    Ol Champ is tossing out a red herring. Why is anybodys guess…..But his “timeline” does not stand up to technology standards to be believable.

    Especially when Jessica was reported as back in Courtland at 6:30 PM. That had to be a GPS tracking. So he wants “someone” to believe that the phone went silient for an hour? There is more info he is not sharing……or why toss out a timeline that raises more questions than answers?

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    • pspsst says:

      Glad to see ya, Vegas. Your insight about the car being a primary target for the perps, a lesson to Jessica was and is IMO still a strong motive. It went wrong. Champion doesn’t mention additional damage to the car such as detected on the front passenger side. Ali’s bragdaccio revealed a possible dent which could have caused by a strong instrument.

      I was starting to think because no locals have been arrested the perps might have been young, gang wannabe, low level initiates, joyriders and burglars unknown to the victim set out to attack Jessica.

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      • VegasGuy says:

        Hi psp….Been following your posts.

        Yep, I still believe the car is connected to motive. Some of this “new & improved” timeline kind of leads me to believe Jessica was doing “errands” for someone. Errands usually involve pick ups & deliveries & she certainly was involved in a lot of travel in those 2+ hours.

        Add the need for extra gas, & it starts to appear as though Jessica was fully aware of the amount of travel she was expected to do. The “mums the word” to Ali questioning her signals, to me, that whom ever she was playing FedEx for did not want it known. Something was being transported in that car & the end result was that perhaps the recipient was not satisfied with the delivery or the item, or the terms of the deal. Or it was a set up for double cross. Of course, no perp is going to come forward to inform LE that their stash of drugs & cash was stolen……

        Not saying that this is the case, but, a significant quantity of drugs that might have been scattered in or about the car would be reason to torch it to oblivion. Perhaps a delivery of “substandard” product might cause outrage from the intended reciepient. Could be as simple as “kill the messenger”. Or it could have been keep the delivery & the possible cash & eliminate the connection…Jessica.

        Jessica just might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time doing a “favor” for someone that might have known what outcome might develop. And so, maybe “they” used her rather than do the deal in person themselves. If this scenario holds water, then Jessica would have known & trusted both parties, ie, the requester & the receiver, or she would not have agreed.

        And, although I believe Ali was some how involved, or actually knew what the game play was for the evening, I do not believe he was directly connected with the crime itself. Petty criminals do not usually get death threats for providing CCTV footage to LE. Threats go out to keep lip sealed.

        Just my thoughts….

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        • pspsst says:

          Ali could be the side, pervy, handrubbing, snivelly character, the lil gossip, prides himself on knowing everything going on, and being the first to know. Maybe he is the dealer and provider, and she was indeed double crossed. The part about trusting the buyers is interesting. Not strangers then.

          Appreciated!

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  18. Ziiggii says:

    Wouldn’t matter if it was a burner, they’d still have all the data passed from the phone to the network as well as number. All they’d need to do is backtrack the number to it’s point of sale and find out who bought it.

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    • Ziiggii says:

      That was to Popeye above^^^^^^

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    • pspsst says:

      Maybe Laurel of Laurel and Hardy, the lesser, thought he’d check the phone for working order and see if he could pull the SIM card out to steal the phone. Do we even know if LE retrieved Jessica’s phone, or was only the SIM card found.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        Not sure

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        • 2+2 says:

          Ziig, back in December when the cell was recovered, did they say they found it, or that they had it? Reason for asking is Danielles screenshot, and the unknown identity of the 911 caller.

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          • Diane says:

            And Jessica’s cousin, Destiny Diane Mills, posted that JC herself called 911

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            • 2+2 says:

              That possibility has occurred to me, that Jessica made the 911 call.

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              • 2+2 says:

                Same question. Danielle seems to have a screenshot of Jessica’s phone, which I can’t see clearly, taken on December 6 at 12:58. How is that possible? Or is that a screenshot of Danielle’s phone showing her convo with Jessica, and Jessica’s name appears at the top of the phone because that’s who the convo was with? I don’t own a cell so I’m not familiar with apps and such. I can’t read the convo with Nathan. If Jessica made the call, her phone was with her when found. She was still alive, so any personal belongings would have gone with her to hospital and been turned over to her mother. If Danielle was there, she may have been holding things for Lisa while she was in with Jessica.

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            • lovelyd24 says:

              Because of poor writing skills a reporter made people think that Jessica called 911, it was not Jessica who made the call, the PTB refuse to say who the 911 caller was.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Wasn’t it stated earlier somewhere that the phone and the disconnected battery were found along the roadside.

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          • pspsst says:

            There should have been DNA on the phone if so!!! On whatever remnants of the phone, and the KEYS too.

            Does this mean the DNA does not match with criminal databases? Or can gloves prevent DNA.

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            • justfactsplz says:

              The DNA doesn’t have to match databases. They have taken DNA samples from all persons of interest.

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              • pspsst says:

                I was concerned all DNA had been destroyed in the fire. But if they have DNA from at least these two items, they haven’t matched it to persons of direct interest. So they’d have to look at criminal records for extraordinary suspects not within the normal groupings. Whatever that means. Incarcerated on weekend outings, ex-criminals from out of town, out of state……

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          • 2+2 says:

            I haven’t been able to find LE saying they found the phone, only that they had the phone. I found a CNN report that a SOP was driving along the road looking for things, picked up something and put it in a paper bag, drove a little further and picked up something else and put that in the bag, then drove off. They don’t say what those things were. I think it was just assumed it was the phone and battery. Charlotte was picked up 12/7 for questioning because her name/number as Auntie Sha Sha was in Jessica’s phone

            They HAD to have the phone 12/7. I remember some discussion about how they got the warrants really fast on a Sunday and cracked the password. IMO Jessica made the call. They found her phone with her. It was something else picked up later. Please, if anyone has a verified report of LE saying when and where they found the phone, please post.

            Really….driving along the road looking for evidence? Not walking? Not using sealed bags and tags? Shoddy investigative techniques. Now that I’m angry, I do remember seeing that clip, and IIRC nobody said it was the phone. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

            The only other possibility is the phone she had use of at Leah’s house, which she had to turn in when she left. They could have got names and numbers out of it. I don’t know for sure she was issued a phone there, but it was mentioned on CTH a few times so I’m listing it as a possible.

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            • justfactsplz says:

              I never saw a report where LE said they found the phone, just the report you mention. They should have gone on foot investigating and should have secured the scene over night.

              I too think Jessica made that call herself either before she was burned or right after.

              Leah’s House is not an abuse shelter so I am doubting Jessica was given a phone by them. They could have but I doubt it.

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      • Meyer says:

        A local news reporter who was at the crime scene on/around Dec.10th said a LE Officer was 50 feet away from the crime site when he found JLC’s phone — and found the battery a few feet from the phone.

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        • 2+2 says:

          thank you. 🙂

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Thank you.

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        • firefly says:

          I believe it was a CNN reporter on the scene on Thurs. Dec11.,4 days after the crime.

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          • alkikila says:

            I wonder how they will determine if it was left the day of the crime or someone put it there later. If it was her phone.

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            • firefly says:

              That is a great question, but not also positive it was the phone or battery.

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              • 2+2 says:

                Agree.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  December 11:
                  VIA CNN – On Thursday, a CNN crew saw a man in a Panola County Sheriff’s Office pickup truck collect something from the ground, less than 50 feet from the tree, place it in a paper bag and drive off. He stopped a short distance down the road and crouched by the roadside, placing something else in a paper bag and driving away

                  Later, several men from the sheriff’s office, clad in fluorescent vests, arrived and began investigating the scene, picking items up and examining them as a canine unit assisted with the investigation

                  Doesn’t say phone.

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            • JohnP says:

              Excellent observation! Four days speaks volumes about the investigation at the crime scene. The phone could have been tossed out a car window days after the murder.

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              • 2+2 says:

                thank all of you. So why would her cousin Destiny say Jessica made the call, and how does her friend Danielle have a screenshot of Jessica’s phone taken 12/6?

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                • 2+2 says:

                  oh….light bulb! Is that something like FB chat, where it shows you friends names and when they were last active? So on Dec 7 at 12:58am, she was looking at her last convo with Jessica in October, and it shows Jessica’s last activity on HER phone 12/6 was 5 hours earlier? Which would be 7:58pm CST if Danielle is in CST, or 6:58pm if she is EST. That would seem to verify Lisa’s call, yes?

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                • 2+2 says:

                  ok one more thing. If Danielle is CST, then Jessica’s phone was active at 7:58PM or within that hour. So it is VERY possible that she did make the 911 call herself while the perps were in the area, dropped her phone and they took the battery out and tossed them. I sure wish LE had called in the dogs while the scent was fresh!

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                • MsSmallTown says:

                  LOL ooops, I answered and see that you already figured it out 😉
                  The perils of reading threaded emails from the bottom up! Sorry

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                • pspsst says:

                  I think you may have nailed it. Jessica called 911 @ 7:58 pm. Who said it was a personal ‘911’ phone call to Cole or a friend? We can reconstruct a bit of what happened at the scene in terms of Jessica’s ability to call, status of car and her health at the time…..because the window between 911 call and Fire Dept arrival at 8:06 pm is now very small. thank you for the attention to detail and going where few of us could.

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                • woohoowee says:

                  Arkansas is CST, but don’t know if Danielle’s phone is an Arkansas #.

                  My best guess is that Jessica did make the call for help herself, but she could not speak when the first responders arrived.

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                • MsSmallTown says:

                  2+2, that is not a screenshot of Jessica’s phone, that is a screenshot from Facebook Messenger used on a phone. It shows who you had a conversation with at the top of the screen and then the contents. I can’t do it from work but if you search for FB Messenger on Google you can see how the message threads work. Maybe an example will make it a little more clear.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  lol got it as you noticed when you scrolled up! 🙂
                  I don’t use FB chat but I do FB stealth to see what friends are up to, I’ve clicked that chat just to see who’s online when I am, that’s how I figured out Danielle’s screenie! 🙂
                  Thank you for explaining though. Everyone here is so helpful! ❤

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            • CAM says:

              If the LE came out later and went directly to a place for the phone and then directly to a place for the battery, how did they know about the phone and exactly where to go? Who told them???

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          • firefly says:

            Tried posting the link from day four CTH but the it is not posting at this time. I remember that day because all of us were fussing about MSM not covering Jessica.

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          • 2+2 says:

            Ok I’m trying to verify the day they had the phone. Charlotte was picked up Dec 7 for questioning because her number was in Jessicas phone. This is based on her statements when she was released Dec 9, she said they held her for 2 days. So how did LE know her number was in Jessicas phone if they didnt recover the phone until Dec 11? IIRC also reading prior to Dec 11 that they had her phone, warrants for phone records, and cracked the password to get in.

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            • firefly says:

              I agree,whatever they picked up on the 11th in my opinion had nothing to do with the battery or her cell phone.

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        • AghastInFL says:

          and yet… wasn’t Auntie ShaSha supposedly held for questioning the day after Jessica’s murder because her number was identified from Jessica’s phone?? how does that fit? two phones?

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        • Lottacats says:

          Wonder could Jessica whilst fighting off her attackers was trying to use phone for help and those horrible creatures grabbed the phone and threw it hard or yanked it apart and threw it???

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  19. Donald Joy says:

    Appalling, that the reporters don’t ask any really probing questions — like about the geolocation made possible by the Jessica/Lisa phone call during the hour in question!

    And of course, no reporter calls out Champion on his blatant lie about the CCTV hard drive from the M&M First Stop. SMH

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    • Ziiggii says:

      Get ’em Don! I SMH with you… incompetent is all. Single A ball players trying to play in the big dance

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    • wanthetruth says:

      Donald, watching the 20 minute interview I got the impression that maybe they had to bring list of questions that were edited as to what they could aask. 4 or 5 reporters there and no one had worthwhile or truly probing questions? Seems that level of inability or ineffectiveness wouldn’t encompass every one of them. Also at the end of the presser, they didn’t have any more questions? What true journalist runs out of questions? Time wasn’t called – questions were unavailable. I mean, all five of them?

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  20. flyonthewall1 says:

    Something we haven’t discussed – DA John Champion, “Confident of a core group who didn’t do it. But haven’t eliminated anyone.”
    Who’s in your core group?
    Mine would include Sandy Rudd, Brejuan Byers & Teanna, Keisha, who was with Sandy & Brejuan at M&M, Ali, Charlotte Wilkerson. Denise Tutor, Boone Mista, Pat Mista, Eric Bibbs & his son, Roscoe Speights

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    • 2+2 says:

      kedrick turner or his car at least, jerrick todd, possible out of town relatives “visiting”

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    • 2+2 says:

      all of those in your group plus the ones I listed. Except for the Bibbs. I don’t think they are involved.

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    • DixieNurse says:

      Fly, two of the people on your list have become very conspicuously absent from facebook over the past 36 hours or so–these two have not missed a DAY of posting since 120714, yet have not been on at all for a day and a half…something’s up.

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      • flyonthewall1 says:

        Thanks, Dixie! I will go look now. I think I already know the two you mean. 🙂

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      • flyonthewall1 says:

        Dixie, I can’t find the ones you mean. The two I was thinking of are steadily posting. Most of them have three or four FB accts.

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        • DixieNurse says:

          I would tell you exactly if I knew how to get in touch with you!! 🙂

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          • DixieNurse says:

            Okokok, looks like the have both posted something in the past three hours…maybe their phones were cut off til they paid the bill, or something, so they couldn’t get online. I don’t know–I just found it interesting that we hadn’t heard from them in over a day. First time in a very long time…

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      • 2+2 says:

        They’re still active, some of them have new or other FB pages. They have scrubbed and aren’t using the ones named in the Jessica threads.

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  21. flyonthewall1 says:

    I put the Bibbs in because they were the first ones questioned, due to their names being Eric.

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    • AghastInFL says:

      I would add yet again, LE went to GREAT lengths to locate and question Eric Bibbs on the night of the murder, great lengths only to dismiss him/them due to a shaky (at best) alibi.

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      • Les says:

        But they didn’t interview his son who played football at South Panola High School. How did the dad NOT know Jessica? Strange.

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        • AghastInFL says:

          exactly; and so they both stay in my group.

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        • 2+2 says:

          why would he know jessica just because his son played football? Jessica was a cheerleader when she was a freshman there. She graduated in 2013. His son is in college. I don’t see a connection.

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          • Les says:

            He graduated South Panola High School May 2014. I agree that he looks like a nice kid (besides the Goodie Squad connection), but he has to be suspect due to location and name data.

            This made me lol:
            South Panola High School
            College Readiness Index 7.0
            Algebra Proficiency 2.6
            English Proficiency 2.4

            South Panola High School is a football machine. Players from there often make it out to colleges and NFL teams. Most can’t behave well enough to get through the four years of college (can’t cut it academically), but there are some SPHS TIgers in the NFL. A Sanford plays for the Vikings.

            Of course, my money is on the gascan crew. Those people are too old to be involved in any way with children who are not their own kin.

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      • flyonthewall1 says:

        I think the Bibbs were the investigation was so bungled. I think LE thought it was the Bibbs because Jessica said Eric. They thought the investigation was solved & they didn’t need to collect evidence or preserve the scene or car. They took off to question/arrest Eric Bibbs & said tow the car. Case closed. But things didn’t work out as planned.

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        • flyonthewall1 says:

          That should have been – the Bibbs were the reason.
          Why is it that I can proofread my comment and it looks perfect until I hit post? LOL

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  22. flyonthewall1 says:

    So if the DA”s core group resembles ours they might really not have any suspects.

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  23. 2+2 says:

    that is my group of suspects who were involved.

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  24. flyonthewall1 says:

    This concerns me. The DA’s core group can’t be too different from ours. So he has info that these people weren’t involved. Witnesses that saw them elsewhere b/t 6:30 & 8:05 or pings from their cell phones that place them in other locations, maybe.

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  25. zephyrbreeze says:

    Why move the car so soon from a very strange crime scene, and days later have investigators picking up random pieces of evidence from around the site? Fits no protocol at all. Anywhere. Who made that call? Why move it in the pitch black?

    Does anyone remember how long it took to remove the vehicle in which reporter Hastings was mysteriously killed?

    Isn’t this a little too high profile for a Witness Protection set-up? I mean the aim shouldn’t be to alert the entire US and beyond and bring in 5 agencies, should it? The billboards tell me that it’s not Witness Protection. Would agencies take a hoax that far? Doubtful.

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    • punkinseed says:

      I looked up Hastings on GLP, but all I could find was about the crash. Nothing about how long it took to remove the vehicle. Still looking.

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  26. 2+2 says:

    Maybe. But he contradicts himself as much as Lisa Daugherty contradicts herself. Ali is cleared. Brejuan is cleared. DA says he’s confident of a core group that didn’t do it, then says he hasn’t eliminated anyone. blah blah blah…cleared…but…everyone is still a suspect. If they are still suspects, don’t make a blanket statement that they are cleared, say specifically what they are cleared of if you still suspect them of something. Cleared of all involvement? Cleared of being at the scene? Cleared of what? Same thing about the party. Couldn’t find anyone to verify that story, then oh yeah some people were at a party, but didn’t see Jessica there; then oh, 2 guys saw here there; now …there’s nothing to verify there was a party.

    Another thing is he claims to be leading this investigation. That is contrary to what the press said when the FBI put up the billboards. The fact that the FBI didn’t put Panola’s number for a contact is telling.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I agree, he is not leading the investigation. He’s just being a mouthpiece for another agency right now.

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    • flyonthewall1 says:

      I agree, 2+2. But, if we are going to look at everything, I thought it prudent to discuss this core group statement. Also, it is interesting, to me, to see who everyone else feels is the core group.

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      • Lottacats says:

        Talked to a couple of young white girls on Dec 7. They already knew about Jessica, big on FB too. They knew her, did not hang out with her group but had 4 names. Eric, Bryan, Roscoe and Robert. Sexual assault was mentioned. The name Eric had been mentioned to one of these girls back in the spring sometime when she briefly saw Jessica. Quick chat said trying to get away from Eric, he was abusive, put a strain on her relationship with parents.
        Sticking with this core group.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Thanks Lotta. Spring would be April, when Lisa made her FB post to JLC warning her to get her butt home or be locked out because it was past midnight. Those 4 names were mentioned by Rebecca Wright on FB. I’ve come up with 2 Roberts – lilrobert holmes and Robert Reco Holmes.

          Jerrick Todd made 2 posts of interest. The one about Ben being responsible for JLC death, and another one about Jessica staying in the hood. We already knew of her involvement but to my knowledge that is the only one by a male to make any sort of a statement about that on FB.

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        • flyonthewall1 says:

          Thanks, Lotta! This is great information! So odd that Eric has stayed such an unknown character. He has kept an extremely low profile. There has been very little said about him.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Maybe he thinks if they think they are cleared they will relax a little and slip up with communications..

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  27. justfactsplz says:

    My train of thought after mulling all of this over is that no one in Panola County is truly in control here. I think the USMS is controlling everything, the whole narrative. I think they are telling them what to say, controlling the media interviews and what questions are and aren’t allowed. I think they know about the missing hour or else Jessica’s phone was turned off during that time. That news conference was a fishing expedition. Pressure may have been put on a person of interest early on and then taken off so that person would let their guard down hoping they will slip up. The announcement of possible terrorist attacks so soon after Jessica’s death makes me think this is a very BIG DEAL.

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  28. goodoldboy66 says:

    Reposting>
    Two points for consideration:
    (1) Jessica as an intermediary/ courier between 2 local groups (of differing races) who otherwise didn’t overlap to an overly appreciable extent – yet shared a common ‘illegal interest’ (think ‘consumable good’ not ‘personal service’) which Jessica was involved in delivering that night (and presumably had done on previous occasions).
    (2) A female, with her cousin and their young children ‘just happened to visit’ 3448 very very soon after 12/6. Purely coincidentally, CNN was on scene at the time and interviewed these two women as they walked around carrying their children in their arms. The vibe of the interview was struck me as awkwardly odd. Incidentally this woman works in Batesville at the 6:10pm location.

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  29. hightechjunkie says:

    If I am not mistaken, public GPS will get you within several meters. Government surveillance will get you within a few inches through the same cell phone chips. Different parameters for locating are used in the satellite for Government and private use. Cell towers transmit the GPS information back to the provider, where it is logged.

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    • pspsst says:

      I was told a third party had to call your phone # to help their phone use GPS locate your lost phone fairly accurately. I’m not certain the exact details.

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      • hightechjunkie says:

        The GPS chip transmits constantly (as long as the phone has power). To clarify your question, though, if one has an app or web based app that is tied to a phone, it can access the GPS information, thereby locating the device provided there is a tie in with a unique identifier. I say a unique identifier because there are several in the device. If the cell phone company, government, etc. wanted to access the phone, they would use the IMEI ( or some other unique identifier) registered with the phone to locate the device and then access the GPS data. In extreme cases, the serial number of the GPS chip can be used. Bottom line is… The government doesn’t need an app. They have tools. Think of it like access to your car’s computer. You can only see what it tells you. OnStar, and the like, can tell the motor car company whatever they want to know, including your GPS coordinates. The only thing needed is a cell signal or a device that can capture the signals put out by a cellular phone of which there are many.

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  30. drdebdrdeb says:

    Real Purpose of DA Interview and My Theory:
    To communicate with the perp(s)
    (1)We know you are local-hidden message…we know who you are
    (2) We have interviewed you and there are holes in your account of the evening in question
    (3) We know Jessica was at your house

    My What If Theory
    Could Jessica have been pushing drugs? (gang could have forced her to do so-she feared for her life)
    Was the 5 PM call one to notify her that the drugs were ready? “Friend” could have informed LE and DA could be covering for him/her
    Did Jess receive drugs at the house she visited?
    Did Jess take drugs to Batesville where the buyer checked them and paid her?
    Did Mom call as Jess was heading back to the perp house?
    Did this call delay her arrival?
    When she re-arrived at the house, was she is knocked unconscious and driven to the death scene where she was burned?
    Did the killers throw Jess’s car keys out of the window on their way back to the house?

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    • justfactsplz says:

      No longer than she was at the person’s house goes along with a quick drug/cash exchange. I can’t think of any other reason the visit was so short.

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    • pspsst says:

      LIKE

      Not being privy to the evidence supporting the LE’s timeline, could it be Jessica first dropped by the Courtland residence (CW) before M&M’s gas stop. CW asks her to make a delivery, or pick up a delivery (lure). She is given money to go to M&Ms to get gas for the drive. Jess is told to meet up at Herron’s for one of the deliveries. When things went wrong, because they hired a dingbat gang banger interested in first molesting Jessica rather than just immolate the car, CW fabricates a story that Jessica went to a party to party where things went wrong.

      Everyone, including Ali knows Jessica was being set up for a snitching lesson. Everyone. They were hanging around to watch. They’re like pervs seeking excitement. Fire has become the terrorist way of solving problems since Ferguson. Jessica was becoming independent, seemed happier, ready to leave them on their expense, their trials and tribulations by writing a book. They will show her. First make her make deliveries like before, pretend a cease fire. Then burn her car, make certain she can neither ever, ever deliver weed nor get to work for a long time.

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    • punkinseed says:

      You’re deductions are close to mine. I believe Jessica was on a Xanax or some other med like that for her mom, and for someone else, including the off camera person who called her over. There’s cameras all over the M&M and notice she was parked just off camera in the blind spot. Anyone who works or frequents a place with cams knows where all the blind spots are.
      And gas can man deliberately didn’t pull up to the pumps to get the gas. Nobody walks their gas like that. Also notice in the video that gas can man doesn’t leave before Jessica. But, benefit of doubt is that this video has been monkeyed with and deleted. LE has all of it, but naturally, they don’t want us to know or to tip off the killers so they pretend to be stupid and what’s the word… obtuse I think.

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      • punkinseed says:

        meant to say, on a Xanax run, not that JC was on any meds.

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        • pspsst says:

          I sense that Jessica is the type who makes herself helpful to others, gets called on to do duty for helpless or the lazy. She may have been made to feel guilty having a car of her own at age 19. It also gave her a sense of pride to be able to drive about accomplishing errands. But if Lisa didn’t drive, her daughter had to fill in. It made for more dangerous element that mum wasn’t the same kind of protector we had.

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  31. ThankYou,Treepers says:

    Low tech observation:

    Non signaling phone (6:30- 7:31) requires owner’s use of code to engage (7:31).

    Anybody can stop phone signal by removing battery.

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    • Diane says:

      So, you’re saying just putting the battery back in the phone would not re-start the GPS signal? but rather a “code” has to be entered into the phone to reactivate the signal?? If that’s true I’d think more criminals would do this to stay off the radar….I’d like more clarification on this…

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    • flyonthewall1 says:

      Thank you, TYT! This is very interesting.

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      • punkinseed says:

        And that includes phones that are no longer in service… like my old phone, which I took off the service provider months ago still turns itself on and does updates or whatever on itself. Does some kind of connection to somewhere. I shut it off before reading what it was doing because I was spooked. No idea why or how it does that. Creeps me out. As long as the battery is charged it works to access the my address book, etc. Oh, and meant to tell you that a cop told me that any phone, any cell phone even though it has no service provider will still let you call 911.

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        • 2+2 says:

          punkin, that is absolutely correct about 911.

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          • hightechjunkie says:

            GPS chips were put in phones years before carriers found a way to capitalize on their existence. After 9/11, the FCC passed a law requiring all handheld cellular devices to have GPS chips so they could be tracked if necessary. Triangulation of the cell signal does not give precise location (there are numerous ways of triangulating a signal). GPS does. These chips have been in phones for many years. Smart phones brought them to life for the consumer. They do not need to be coded. They transmit as long as they have power. Signals sent out every few seconds are trilaterated by several GPS satallites.

            911 calls automatically send GPS data to the 911 dispatcher with the call header. Cell companies capture the data as metadata and use it if needed or if invoked by an app originating from the phone or an IP linked to the phone.

            http://www.mio.com/technology-trilateration.htm

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  32. coeurdaleneman says:

    JLC and her phone (and, presumably, her car) being onsite at Herron at 7:31 diminishes this being a hit of any sort. Why? Had this been pre-planned with gas cans at ready, then it wouldn’t have taken a half-hour to carry it out. The car sat there unnoticed for over a half-hour without raising suspicion. Even now, there are no reports from a passer-by after the fact. No group of guys, no additional car, no extra busy activity to merit a glance.

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      By the same reasoning, it is unlikely that anyone else drove the Kia to the final Herron site. Had it been a perp with a plan in mind, then he would not have dawdled for over a half hour. It’s beginning to look like JC drove to the site herself, and did so before 7:31, having her phone off.
      I doubt that any drug deal was the original intention — phones don’t have to be off for a quick exchange. And, because a slow-motion hit seems to be out of the question (for the reasons in my previous post), there was something else at play originally.

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  33. jewelsc6 says:

    http://www.usmarshals.gov/witsec/ Please come forward and do the right thing

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  34. jewelsc6 says:

    Either Mom is lying about the time of the call, or her and Champion are in on the ruse, because if the battery was taken out for an hour, there is no way Lisa talked to her at the time she said. I am also beginning to think CW might be the witness. I also believe someone was seen in the car with her possibly in Batesville. Maybe they could not see who that person was.

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  35. Scott S says:

    There are certainly more gaps in the timeline than the hour between 6:30 and 7:30.

    First, the timestamp on the M&M tape has JC arriving there at 5:24 (if you believe the DST story). The DA is vague about when exactly she left her home; if JC left at 5:00, you have about 20 minutes unaccounted for.

    Second, the timestamp has JC leaving M&M at 5:30. We then have JC at a “residence” in Courtland just before 6:00. That’s another nearly 30 minutes unaccounted for.

    All in all, potentially another nearly one hour that Champ has not made clear where JC was or what she was doing.

    On a general note, I think they have a lock on who did the deed, but they also know whomever it was did not plan or order it; they just carried it out. LE is trying to get some airtight way they can take down the leader.

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  36. jewelsc6 says:

    Does anyone remember where the car keys were found??

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  37. DeWalt says:

    I am going to reiterate what I theorized very early on. Jessica was a victim of a CI operation gone wrong. Every thing I have read brings me to this conclusion.
    What you are seeing now from the DA is stalling tactics. He knows there is a wider Federal investigation ongoing and can not let on to it. Jessica’s death was a unintended bump in the road they did not anticipate. Maybe because they underestimated their targets ability. The phone being turned back on at 7:31 looks to me like the perps were trying to retrieve some information on here phone. Maybe who her handler was and who she had been in contact with.
    Jessica had been informing on gang activity to the feds. She was going to meet with someone she was comfortable being near and did not want anyone knowing ( reason she avoided answering Ali’s prying). She knew she was suspected and hinted at it several times. This time when she would not answer Ali’s question. He saw to it she was followed.
    I believe Jessica met with a Fed LEO. After that meeting is when the deed was done. By who? My question still stands, Who’s Name was Jessica’s phone account in.
    Another thing I suspect is by the things she stated in her letter that was posted, was she was looking at new beginnings.
    The Feds did not anticipate this and called the shots from the beginning on this investigation. They can not and will not end this prematurely, but they do know who was behind it and will be a part of a wider investigation. the DA knows this and will continue to stall.
    I made this as brief as possible.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      So who did she trust?? Charlotte Wilkerson?

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    • LBH says:

      DeWalt, I agreed with you before and I still do today. The DA is stalling. I believe there is a bigger investigation going on and that Jessica was a bump in the road investigators did not anticipate. Although your informant theory makes sense, I hope it isn’t the case. It seems wrong to me that the feds would use a 19 year old, who is seemingly anchor-less, as an informant in this viper pit.

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    • pspsst says:

      She was going to meet with someone she was comfortable being near and did not want anyone knowing ( reason she avoided answering Ali’s prying). She knew she was suspected and hinted at it several times. This time when she would not answer Ali’s question. He saw to it she was followed.

      Yikes. Anyone else get the heebies reading this? Like we’re beginning to be with Jessica now.

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        If she was followed, they probably have seen the car on one of the cameras in Batesville !

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          I too believe, that whoever she was with in the car, there was another car following..If thats the case its possible they may have seen the car on camera unless the other car took another direction to avoid the cameras, and they headed to the Herron Rd. location.

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        • pspsst says:

          Did that Brejean gascan guy place a locator on the rear of Jessica’s car at M&M’s?

          Is there such a device which can be removed afterwards?

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          • jewelsc6 says:

            He sure was close enough to that and there were others roaming around the car that night also..

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            • jewelsc6 says:

              I do think there were at least 3 involved in the whole thing. But i am sure more knew about what they were going to do…

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              • pspsst says:

                I’m going with more than the 1 or 2 LE suggested too

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              • jewelsc6 says:

                The only thing troubling me about my theory is the fact the car was at Herron Rd location for an hr. someone must have seen the car parked there??!! Or is that car hidden enough as not to be seen??

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                • pspsst says:

                  Working backwards from timeline, we are told and or we have a good idea:

                  Lisa talked to Jessica from 6:48 to 7:13 pm. She bids love to mom. Champion claims they don’t know where Jessica was starting from 6:30 after being located in Courtland proper.
                  Jessica was at Herron location precisely 7:31 pm.
                  [She made a call for help at 7:58 pm. Assumption based on last moment she was on line as reported by Danielle]
                  Official time of fire tone drop is 8:09.
                  Fire officials on scene by 8:13 pm.

                  Took fire dept 4 mins to get to scene.
                  Took 11 mins for the recipient of Jessica’s plea for help to notify 911. Was the recipient of phone call already on the way to help. Could not understand Jessica on the phone. Did they already know where she was at Herron? I sorta doubt it. Or they lost trace of her when the perps shut the phone off at 6:30 pm.

                  Jessica was a scrapper. When the perps were busy dousing her car, she retrieved her phone back and called her handler, leaving phone on. Why not 911? Would be faster, no? The phone and battery were found at a distance from the car when the perps finally notice she’s not unconscious, turn off the phone again at 7:58 pm, disconnect the battery in anger and throw the phone, set the murder by immolation into action. Pouring gas into her mouth out of anger that she called, and then her body. Prior to that, they were only going to teach her a lesson, but when she called for help, they had to finish it off completely because quite obviously destroying her car was not going to stop her from talking. From 7:58 pm to arrival of fire truck at 8:13, they only had maybe 10 minutes to complete what they were doing. Or they saw the on-light was lit on her phone and disconnected it again while she was literally fighting for her life to get away.

                  This is only one scenario. There are other possibilities.

                  Godspeed the killers are found. Pox on CRS.

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                • jewelsc6 says:

                  Ok so we know that she is placed at Herron Rd at 7:31 and she or someone called fire dept. at 7:58 ok that’s possible. Was her car visable from the road. I can not really tell from Google Earth.

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                • sundaybu says:

                  Why do you say Jessica made a phone call for help at 7:58pm? I missed that. TIA

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                • frangelica1 says:

                  Does anyone have the info where it has been mentioned that Jessica herself called for help at the scene? This is new info to me and I may have missed it.

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                • pspsst says:

                  Forgot to address the conversation with mum. She knew she was on a sting operation that evening, instinctively bids love to her mom.

                  Darby and Champion may have left mom completely in the dark about the time of her phone call to Jessica. Told her not to talk to anyone, CW, etc as yall said. May have taken Lisa’s phone and records too. Lisa is out of the loop.

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                • jewelsc6 says:

                  Right maybe afraid she blab?

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                • pspsst says:

                  On second thought, it just dawned on me. SD did say authorities know exactly where Jessica was from 6:30 to 7:30pm. YUP. The lack of action from 7:58 to the tone drop at 8:09 is VERY DAMNING. Jeeeeesusss! Dear God, poor Jessica. 😡

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                • jewelsc6 says:

                  When watching the video at M&M you just want to scream Jessica go home right now !!!

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                • pspsst says:

                  I know :,( Go home Jessica!! Get away from those creeps!

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                • pspsst says:

                  Brave lil thing!

                  BBL

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                • pspsst says:

                  ❤ JLC

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                • I think that some may be reading too much into the fact that JC’s friends screenshot showed JC’s FB account active at 7:58. When you have FB app running on your phone it shows you as active whether you are actually on FB or not. My guess would be that 7:58 time was when the battery was removed from the phone.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  and they also said in interview “we know what happened to Jessica.”

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                • Eskie Mom says:

                  Coming from the direction “past” where Miss Chambers was killed, I don’t think people there (or cars) would be very visible- unless maybe it was night time & there was a lot of light (or fire).

                  In the daytime, coming toward the scene, everything would be very visible- at least in a taller vehicle. (a truck, van, or SUV, & bearing in mind that the google camera is mounted on top of a small car)
                  At night, I don’t know. In the dark, I don’t they’d be very visible or visible at all.

                  I noticed something. The google street view is dated April 2014. It looks like there is a “track” there in the same path that her car would have followed & the ruts from the tow truck followed. This is a “v” shape away from the driveway to the gate.
                  It looks like it may be a fairly well used “parking” place. And it looks like streamers/ ribbons or something have been tied around a tree right across Herron Road from it.

                  Hope this link works, so Y’all can see

                  https://www.google.com/maps/@34.236679,-89.95416,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTo8O22ORN0BVRB79ecC7yA!2e0!6m1!1e1

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                • jewelsc6 says:

                  Thanks so if people driving by at night and a car was just parked there up against that tree, they probably would not notice it..

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Those streamers are common during hunting season, they mark game trails or feeding spots. They could be marking something else in this case.

                  I found out something else about markers a number of years ago. We used to see pairs of shoes with shoestrings flung over telephone wires and tree branches, and in windows of some houses. Found out from my dad that was a marker for drug dealers. If you needed a hit up, just go to the street or house.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Snitches get stitches again. Good theory.

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    • coeurdaleneman says:

      DeWalt, I’ve posted before about the informant possibility too.

      But if that was the case, then what was her MO? I doubt that she was used for any local druggers at the retail level. Or that she was directed at the well-know welfare scammers.

      So what was her deal? Her mom claimed that JC said that it was the b—-s who said she was snitching … why only the women? She was telling on them? Were the women (DT, CW, or the like) being made vulnerable and being pressured to do the same?

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      • DeWalt says:

        As you said, what was the specific target? My guess it was Federal. Maybe to connect dots, you need someone local who can fly beneath the proverbial radar. Jessica grew up with this bunch, unafraid of them. Remember she was around them at a very young age. Dad and mom in Meth, chop shop.

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        • coeurdaleneman says:

          What would the feds be spending a lot of resources on, though? Yemenis, possibly. Underage girls going across state lines, as mentioned early on. So how could JC help them penetrate?

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          • justfactsplz says:

            Possible human trafficking. How many young white girls have utterly just disappeared from around there? Many years ago before 9/11 my daughter who was in her early twenties was kidnapped by an Egyptian. She was issued a fake Driver’s License with a Moslem name and burka and was just before getting the passport to leave America when we finally found her and she was rescued. She was missing for six weeks. It does happen. Maybe Jessica knew of such activity by Ali and his superiors.

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            • frangelica1 says:

              A lot of people do not realize how bad the sex trafficking problem is in this country. Not many people want to talk about it. When I am in TX, it really creeps me out how big this industry is getting because of the cartels. It has increased greatly with the Mexican cartels bringing young girls over the Mexican border into the US and forced into prostitution in Texas and nearby states, as well as young American girls being kidnapped and transported elsewhere in the US, with some being exported to the International sex trade market.

              Very scary times for young women. I am thankful you were successful in getting your daughter back!!!

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          • 2+2 says:

            remember the terrorist bridge attack warning shortly after Jessica’s death, and the general terrorist warning to MS residents.

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        Maybe “Bitches” could mean either man or woman..

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      • wanthetruth says:

        Bitches are no longer gender specific. In Lisa’s interview she mentions this. Fb shows this also.

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      • frangelica1 says:

        The term “Bitches” today refers to both Men and Women.

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      • 2+2 says:

        bitches is multigender these days, it refers to both genders. We would probably say “bastard” for males, but “bastard” is not used among that crowd, because of the babymama/babydaddy welfare/tax fraud baby factory.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Perps were trying to retrieve info on her phone, that makes sense…

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    • justfactsplz says:

      This is also my thinking. I believe she was helping the USMS that were already in place investigating the gangs and terrorist activity. Someone found out and did her in. She may have been caught wearing a wire tap and game over for her.

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      • DeWalt says:

        Wires are old school. It’s done with cellphone apps now and your not restricted by distance. App can be installed on phone by email or text and would take an expert to find.

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      • punkinseed says:

        Retrieve or delete? After retrieving it what would they do with that information? Use it as a reason to justify setting her on fire? If it was to retain her contacts, how would they transfer that information? I doubt the perps carried a pencil and paper and took the time to jot it all down…
        I think when Jessica told her mom that she loved her and that she was going to “clean her room” Jessica was trying to convey to Lisa that she was in danger, but Lisa didn’t get it so she didn’t act on it. Her comment wouldnt’ sound all that weird to her captors, but it should have to Lisa. That was a red red flag.

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        • Lucky Dog says:

          I think they knocked her out and then checked her phone for contacts, Found out she was an informant and then decided to burn her to death.

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          • punkinseed says:

            Informant for what? Alis drugs and arm? Maybe.. or on someone for welf@re fraud. . What is your take on this?

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  38. DeWalt says:

    Something else that interest me. C. Wilkerson. After being held and questioned then released. She is then re- arrested on shop lifting charges. This is to neat. Was she now afraid and VOPed herself to get off of street.

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  39. coeurdaleneman says:

    For those still proposing that this was a pre-planned hit with gas cans at the ready, please explain how you would do it and how long it would take. Please flesh out your scenario to see if it still makes sense.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      I don’t think the perps were bright enough to plan ahead, i think it was an opportunity that just happened

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      • coeurdaleneman says:

        But the contention has been that this was a hit. Specific names have been mentioned, including one filling up cans 2 hours beforehand. It implies that certain individuals had something in mind that night, and had plenty of notice that JC was out an about (and maybe set up).

        And proponents of the hit theory also have made a lot of noise about the perps driving JC to the scene with gas cans at the ready. So now, given that JC is known to have likely been there at 7:31, how does that all fit in? To me, a slow-motion hit is pretty far-fetched.

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      • Lottacats says:

        Jewelsc6…..My thoughts too. Location of burning is plenty dark enough for anything to happen. Do we really expect there’d be anyone stopping to see what the hell is going on there? No.
        Blacks travel in groups, carload or at least another bro or two. Maybe she did have someone with her but she was followed by another car IMO. Maybe text to the other perps where to meet up at that gate. I’m of the opinion that it all happened right there. It’s definitely dark enough and on a Sat. night I’d think that road would not be well traveled except for residents. Nothing to do in Courtland but hang out around Ali store or go to Batesville where food etc. is.

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    • twoeyes1947 says:

      Try this. Sandy pulls into M&M, tells JC that BR is at home. She picks him up and ride to Bville and eventually park on Herron to talk. He text to SR, Brejuan and maybe Teapooh of location. BR and JC have altercation where head wound happens knocking her out. Everyone panics thinking he killed her. Enter Sandy and gang with gas who do deed and leave before JC regains conscious.

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      • coeurdaleneman says:

        But that would require a lot of commotion at the site over a period of time. Remember, Jessica was physically there at 7:31, and the fire didn’t begin until about 8:00. What was going on all of that time, without anybody else noticing it?

        Seems to be a longshot now.

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Yes but anyway you look at it there would have been a commotion, setting a person and car on fire would cause attention they would have to work quickly…

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      • jewelsc6 says:

        At approximately 6:10 she was around Batesville in the Woodland-Highway 6 east area in southeast Batesville between Eureka Road and Highway 6. Guess who lives on Eureka Road, Theresa Rudd Fleming. Maybe BR was staying with his Mom and she went to Batesville and picked him up?

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Maybe they are stuck trying to prove BR was in town…

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        • DeWalt says:

          From what I gathered TRF was like a mother to Jessica. Could it not be that she had told TRF certain things she did not tell her mother. TRF may have been the one who outed Jessica to her kinfolks.

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          • jewelsc6 says:

            Yep and didn’t we all think that the Rudds were in on this from the beginning??!!

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          • pspsst says:

            You’ve just identified another suspect whom Jessica trusted aside from CW.

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          • 2+2 says:

            Bryan said JLC visited his mother the (that?) night before she died. Does that mean Dec 5, the night before the murder; or Dec 6 THAT night, before she died? It’s hard to make out some of his words.

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            • Lottacats says:

              2×2….I thought he said night of crime. Still, since he was not in LE custody anywhere, it’s possible for a 23 yr. old to do the drive from Iowa to Courtland for a quickie visit. Can’t be ruled out in my mind. Lisa might’ve turned him in if she knew but probably not Jessica. She may have gone to see him. TRF had allowed young Jessica to sleep over with her boy, most mothers would not? I wouldn’t. TRF had tattoo parties I read on FB too. She parties with the young crowd it looked like to me.

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              • Ziiggii says:

                and as far as opportunity, with the big game Friday night he would have had a reason to be back in Courtland. He also does not have a concrete alibi (he was out of LE custody) that would place him in Waterloo.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        Just to add to this possibility (I’ve held this as my personal #1) from SD’s witness:
        (paraphrased)
        somewhere around Dec 1st or 2nd (4 days prior to event) a “black male” made a “relationship proposal” to JLC in which she refused and rebuked the persons “proposal”.
        Fast forward to Dec 6th at “around” 7pm the witness saw the denied male and 3 other black males “grab” JLC and take her to a motel in Batesville where they raped her after which two of the males (not the rejected suitor) left with JLC. (no time frame given)

        The witness, per SD, saw these events “across the street from the hotel” because they are employed near by. They have witnessed “other similar sordid activity” at or around the hotel, but that activity “never ended in murder”.

        The witness account would fit into the mystery hour gap of 6:30 – 7:31pm and may or may not fit if Lisa’s telephone conversation is true. Lisa did note that when she talked Jessica it was “quite” and that she ended the phone call at 7:13pm. So it could still work I guess.

        There is also a corroborating account from Pastor Mike Green who claims to have spoken with several people about Jessica, including Lisa, about how scared Jessica was about “gang members thinking she was snitching” and that someone was planning to kill her. I do not recall if the Pastor’s statements were ever dis-proven or not.

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        • DeWalt says:

          Just my opinion, but, if I witnessed something of that sort at a motel given Jessica’s size and weight. Wouldn’t your first reaction be that this was a child? I would move heaven and earth to intervene. Witness states they have seen this before but wasn’t concerned because it didn’t end in murder! WAIT, What?

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          • Ziiggii says:

            SD didn’t say whether the witness was a model citizen or not, but yes I completely agree with you. If it were me, I would not have stood idly by. Maybe it (hotel) is a known area for “shady” activity to the point it’s commonplace and didn’t mean much to the witness at the time.

            Problem now is it has gone from a single hotel to at least 5 in a 500 yard area where a “known” time and location for Jessica that could technically fit within the one hour window. DA sure didn’t enlighten the situation much.

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            • 2+2 says:

              it was also said that the witness, SD or DJ may have made up the part about working across the street to preserve their safety.

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              • Ziiggii says:

                I just took it to mean somewhere in the vicinity. If it was any one of the hotels at the Hwy 51 and Hwy 6 intersection that could equate to about 5-6 business’ the witness was employed at. What 30-40 people maybe?

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            • Lottacats says:

              Ziiggii
              ♦ She leaves the residence (headed North) and at 6:10 pm is identified at SR #51 and Highway #6 in Batesville where she is identified in the area (via private CCTV) for approximately 10 to 15 minutes.

              Only one motel near this location, “shady” too. Businesses all around.

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              • Ziiggii says:

                haha, yes Ma’am. I had the Woodland intersection in my mind when I wrote that. So back down to the one hotel, Thank you for getting back on track!

                That’s a good thing for me and where I’m heading with scenario.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  so IMO we are back to having someone with her in the car or being followed when she returned to Courtland at 6:30, if the motel rape/kidnapping happened, which there wasn’t enough time for between 6:10-6:30. IF anything happened at Bates Motel, it was probably carjacking, the witness followed them to Herron Rd and everything else happened there from 6:30 on.

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                • angie says:

                  I believe either Darby or Champion said early on that they thought there was someone with Jessica in her car.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  The authorities have never mentioned the witness or confirmed that whole scenario. Charlottes testimony was also discredited, there was no party.

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                • Ziiggii says:

                  Tomorrow! Remind me if I forget. I have thought all that through as well. At least partially; still trying to make some connections.

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              • Ziiggii says:

                ….for getting “ME”….”me” back on track! (I stink at typing)

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Yes that’s another possibility, and we know she was in Batesville near that Motel. Do we have any clue as to who the black male was that proposed to her??

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          • Lottacats says:

            I heard talk on the 7th it was Roscoe, also heard he was dissed and did the fire.

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            • jewelsc6 says:

              Thanks could not remember, so many names !!

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            • pspsst says:

              Rider, A. (1980) ‘The Firesetter: A Psychological Profile ‘. (Part 1) FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, 49, 7-17

              a ) Jealousy motivated adult male. Sets fires as results of insult to vanity and critique of his personality [Ali, Roscoe, Eric]

              b ) Would-be-hero. This individual rushes to scene to appear to save lives etc. [Ali takes photo and is the first to upload evidence, so-called expert, needs to be important]

              c ) Excitement fire setter. Sets fire due to need for personal excitement, not including sexual component [Ali]

              d ) Pyromaniac. Has compulsive element to personality that impels to set fires. Tension reduction, pleasure, and gratification or personality relief. [Ali]

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          • Ziiggii says:

            We have 4 names (Bryan, Eric, Roscoe and Robert) and a rumor that it was Roscoe (whomever that is) doing the proposing. Pick one…. my vote has always sat with the person that has Jessica’s name tattooed on his arm and which happens to be the most plausible. Not to many others that we know of for sure (read documented) that had a prior relationship with JLC serious enough to have a “marriage” proposal take place. Still a huge question as to whom Jessica was referring to in the letter to her niece just a few months prior to her death.

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            • jewelsc6 says:

              Right, Bryan we know who that probably is..Robert, possibly ‘lilrobert’ not really sure who Roscoe is at this point and Derrick, Eric, Jerrick, could be numerous people LOL

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              • 2+2 says:

                could be lilrobert holmes or Robert Reco Holmes who broke jail 12/5.

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                • jewelsc6 says:

                  Oh yes he broke out from Iowa right?

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                • Ziiggii says:

                  in Waterloo area, yes. That was a really random find on my part and I was never able to any connection to Mr. Lover Boy. Still feels like I let a squirrel loose in the treehouse with that one.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  Ziig, Mr. Lover Boy..are you referring to Bryan Rudd? If so, there is family connection.with Robert Reco Holmes. I can’t get to my files because I have to do a recover after crash yesterday, but I posted it on thread sometime between day 49 and today, with analysis list.

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          • 2+2 says:

            which Batesville motel has not been positively identified.

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      • Meyer says:

        2i’s — Pretty close to what I’m thinking.
        IMO — JLC parked on Herron to meet up with Bryan to talk. Brian was in town for the big game and meeting up with her first love in a secluded area was safe in her mind and she didn’t need to get dressed up for him.
        IMO — JLC was early for the meet which was possibly scheduled for 7:30 pm. She didn’t want to go home and then try to explain to her Mom why she was going out again when she was supposed to be cleaning her room. So, she took the dinner she got in Batesville, parked. ate, had a cigarette and talked to her Mom on the phone.
        IMO — Then, Bryan showed up. But, Derrick was with him (maybe others). JLC snitched on Bryan (stolen gun) and snitched on Derrick (physical abuse). Bryan and Derrick’s family/ies had been ‘feeding’ their rage. In their minds, it was time for payback and they went there to confront her.
        IMO — With her new found self-esteem and outspoken nature, she wasn’t going to take it anymore and fought back. This set Derrick off. (This could be the ‘something went wrong’ scenario.)
        IMO — Derrick smacks her in the head (and probably worse). As she is on the ground, he goes to his car to get the flammable liquid. He poured the liquid down JLC’s throat then poured it over JLC’s car and sets it on fire.
        IMO — Jessica was dazed. She needed help. She somehow manages to get to her phone which was in or near her car — JLC catches on fire. (This could be the ‘something went wrong’ scenario.’)

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        • Meyer says:

          Three things to clarify/add regarding above posting.
          1) JLC didn’t want her Mom to know about the meet up with Bryan.
          2) I may have gotten the name wrong above (Derrick) . . . I was referring to the last boyfriend who abused her and asked her to marry him.
          3) In the last IMO above . . . . maybe JLC calls 911 then goes back to the car to try to save her journal. (Okay, you’re thinking to yourself that the car is engulfed in flames – she wouldn’t do that. But what if it wasn’t engulfed yet and she thought she could retrieve the journal? When my friend was carjacked, stabbed repeatedly, put in the trunk of her car and the perbs set the car on fire, my friend was saved by firefighters before the smoke or flames got to her.)

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  40. BallsO'fire says:

    I’ve said it a few times before but I still have a problem believing that she burned for 4+ minutes and then was still somewhat functionable.

    Timeline gives 4 minutes from the time of the 911 call to the fire department showing up. I think that someone called 911 a little before the actual fire.

    Think about it, someone has to see the fire, get their phone and make the call, that’s an additional minute. Do you really think she could burn for 5 minutes and still function? She didn’t burn for 10 minutes, at minimum I would think that the 911 caller would have seen a get away car.

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    • Scott S says:

      Unless you follow 2+2’s (and others) suggestion above that Jessica could have made the call herself. Which, when you think about it, could tie a couple of theories together. I’ve always had trouble with that possibility, wondering how JC made the call after she was on fire. But what about the possibility that the car was the main target, as some have suggested. Others have also suggested that JC was making deliveries and perhaps she encountered an unsatisfied customer, or the like.

      Suppose the perps are mad because promised goods are not on hand. They’re angry from previous encounters and mean to really teach JC a lesson. They go through her car while one of them holds her back. JC is angry now as well. Perps tell her she’s out of business now and dump the gas all over her car and light it up. JC, being the fighter she is breaks away and quickly dials 911. Perps are incensed and either grab her phone, rip out the battery and toss the whole thing away, or they just knock it out of her hand with sufficient force to knock it apart. The perps now furious at JC strike a hard blow to her head, knocking her to the ground and rendering her unconscious. This was not planned; they panic, thinking they killed her, so they decide to dump gas on her. (She’s on her back with her mouth slightly open, so some of it goes into her mouth.) They light it up and leave without looking back. JC regains consciousness while on fire, only having been burning a fairly short period of time, connecting to the story as we know how it played out from there.

      This would also answer the question of how she got out of the car – she was never in it when it was burning.

      This, of course, is all pure speculation.

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      • 2+2 says:

        and that pretty much sums up my #1 theory about how she ended up on fire, especially about her being outside the car on the ground unconscious when they doused her, that’s how it got in her nose etc. That’s the “went too far”(denise) “something went wrong” (Charlotte) part. I’m still not sure about why or how she was there.

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    • DixieNurse says:

      Yes, she could have burned for 5 minutes and been able to function–not very well, but it’s possible. Horrible thought, but not impossible…

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      • punkinseed says:

        I’m thinking JC was knocked out outside the car before being doused with accelerant. I’ve been there moments after a cook spilled hot grease all over herself cleaning a deep fryer and I can still hear her screams until rescue gave her morphine. Medics said screaming is a good sign as 3rd degree the victim doesn’t feel it.

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    • 2+2 says:

      I think with the screenshot provided by her friend Danielle, and her cousin Destiny’s comment, that Jessica herself made the call. Her phone shows active within the hour of 7:08-8:08. The 911 drop was at 8:09. Her phone was found sans battery because she most likely dropped it, the perps saw her make the call so disabled it then ran.

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      • pspsst says:

        If Jessica made the call secretly while pretending to be unconscious, it would be before 7:58 when phone got disconnected. The recipient or handler if we are following the sting theory answered, he or she spoke into the phone, hello?

        She could have been lit after the phone call, or before. It doesn’t take even a minute to suffer burns from accelerant on clothing and skin. The recipient still didn’t know where Jessica was calling from although technology should better now. Technology is a black box for me..

        Champion is flat out lying about not being able to locate Jessica 630 to 730 then if she was still seen connected and on-line at 7:58. This supports Lisa’s contention she talked to daughter at 6:48-7:13, and her records.

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  41. I keep picturing Champion in a white suit, white hat and chomping on a cigar like a certain fictional character from the 70’s and early 80’s TV show. Cagey, but just not cagey enough to pull off the caper in the end.

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    • Lottacats says:

      Boss Hogg

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    • Eskie Mom says:

      Don’t you? It’s just an uncanny similarity (life imitating art).

      v
      v
      Wow, good work, Ziiggii! That’s a LOT of work.

      To Jewel- Not surprised. Holder, 0bama, & their democrat minions are straight out of the Reconstruction. Except this time, it’s a national nightmare.

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      • 2+2 says:

        if you’re referring to post-civil war reconstruction, that was Republicans and carpetbaggers. Democrats were the GOOD guys back then. 🙂 😉

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        • Eskie Mom says:

          Yeppir. Geez. My reply must be lost in the ether somewhere (hours ago). I know they changed places- LBJ? Dunno. I’m still back digging through stuff written at the turn of the (20th) century. (Now it’ll show up & be a duplicate- watch)

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          • 2+2 says:

            The dems platforms started to shift in the late 50’s, and by 1962 there were such drastic changes that Reagan switched parties. He even wrote to Nixon calling JFK a Marxist in 1960. The whole time the dems were shifting, the R’s were doing the same thing, but picking up the pieces of the platform the dems were abandoning.

            Guess who was a Republican in the 60s? Initials are HC.

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  42. Ziiggii says:

    There are 16+ possible US Justice codes that one could be charged with in the death of JLC, all of which carry the “Death Penalty”. Not to mention any number of additional codes that could be related to the death(accessory after the fact). That includes any of those of you who didn’t “strike the match”.

    You’re not thinking correctly if you actually believe anyone would get off without the death penalty in this case. Do you really think that you would win any jurors sympathy after what you did to a 19 y/o blonde hair, blue eyed cheerleader who had recently left a “program” where she was trying to get her life straightened out? No, not even by defaming her character would that be possible!

    Investigate for yourself and see, just pick one:
    1) 8 U.S.C. 1324 – Murder related to the smuggling of aliens
    2) 18 U.S.C. 115 [by cross-reference to 18 U.S.C. 1111] – Retaliatory murder of a member of the immediate family of law enforcement officials
    3) 18 U.S.C. 241, 18 U.S.C. 242, 18 U.S.C. 245, 18 U.S.C. 247 – Civil rights offenses resulting in death
    4) 18 U.S.C. 844 – Death resulting from offenses involving transportation of interstate commerce
    5) 18 U.S.C. 924 – Murder committed by a drug-trafficking crime
    6) 18 U.S.C. 1111 – First-degree murder
    7) 18 U.S.C. 1121 [by cross-reference to 18 U.S.C. 1111] – Murder of a person aiding in a federal investigation
    8) 18 U.S.C. 1201 – Murder during a kidnapping
    9) 18 U.S.C. 1512 [by cross-reference to 18 U.S.C. 1111] – Murder with the intent of preventing testimony by a witness, victim, or informant
    10) 18 U.S.C. 1513 [by cross-reference to 18 U.S.C. 1111] – Retaliatory murder of a witness, victim, or informant
    11) 18 U.S.C. 1958 – Murder for hire
    12) 18 U.S.C. 1959 – Murder involved in a racketeering offense
    13) 18 U.S.C. 2119 – Murder related to a carjacking
    14) 18 U.S.C. 2245 – Murder related to rape
    15) 18 U.S.C. 2340a – Murder involving torture
    16) 21 U.S.C. 848 (Anti-Drug Abuse Act) – Murder related to a continuing criminal enterprise

    Yeah, we’ve speculated on just about all of these and that is with what little information that has been released to the public. Think how much more the LE has on you to make any one of these stick? You’re better off just turning yourself in there mate! Maybe you can have your Public Defender negotiate a plea on your behalf for coming forward; something other than the death sentence. But, just like JLC’s life wasn’t that important to you, maybe your life isn’t all that important to you either?

    You are not Superman or Wonder Woman, no matter what you may think!

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      http://hotair.com/archives/2015/02/18/holder-lets-just-put-the-death-penalty-on-hold/ Lets pray this doesn’t happen..Whoever did this deserves the death penalty !

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    • 2+2 says:

      bwahahaha…I just had a visual of teapooh in a wonder woman costume! ewwwwww

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    • alkikila says:

      Noticed that “lovers quarrel ” is not on the list. Prosecution may be overreaching, if Jess called 911, capital murder is off the table. The accelerant down the throat may be bs. Back to the same question, how did a volunteer fireman know that it was a crime scene.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        hmm, interesting set of questions, but I’ll play, explain “…if Jess called 911, capital murder is off the table.” and “The accelerant down the throat may be bs.” Doctors will testify to the contrary on that last one (including the Coroner’s report). Also explain how any of that is connected to your “same question” of how/why a volunteer fireman would know it was a crime scene? There are certifications for all First Responders and that “Volunteer Fireman” just so happens to be the Courtland VFD Chief.

        Oh and there are easily 2-3 of those that could fall into the “lovers quarrel” category. It’s kinda like Clinton’s question of what “is” is… just semantics.

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      • 2+2 says:

        accelerant odor.

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  43. DeWalt says:

    I watched the interviews of Ali explaining the pictures. I was unconvinced. Photographing a burned car from a distance I can understand. Climbing up on the bed of tow truck to film inside vehicle, not so much. What did he expect to see? When bodies burn for extended periods of time things begin to take place, abdominal cavities expand and split open, cranial cavities sometimes explode from pressure and body fluids are left beneath the corps staining the unburned seats beneath the body. Did you have experience with this before? What were those interior pictures supposed to show?

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Yemenis do like to burn..

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    • 2+2 says:

      remember this? NuNuDuckedOff Suggs: how she get out da car?
      Was she expecting to see dead burned Jessica in the picture of the car????
      alternatively:
      how did she know Jessica wasn’t found in the car?
      Either way, this girl knows something.

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    • pspsst says:

      “PYROMANIA

      Deliberate and purposeful fire setting on more than one occasion.

      Tension or affective arousal before the act.

      Fascination with, interest in, curiosity about, or attraction to fire and its situational contexts (e.g.,paraphernalia, uses, consequences)

      Pleasure, gratification, or relief when setting fires, or when witnessing or participating in the aftermath.

      The fire setting is not done for monetary gain, as an expression of socio-political ideology; to improve one’s living conditions, in response to a delusion or hallucination, or as a result of impaired judgement (e.g., in dementia, mental retardation, and substance intoxication).

      The fire setting is not better accounted for by conduct disorder, a manic episode or antisocial personality disorder.”

      From DSM

      This is Ali -posting photos of white girls as packaged chicken wings to be barbecued, a baby in a pot on a stove, Jessica’s car and the exacting way he took interior and exterior photos. Probably revisits those photos regularly, IYKWIM.

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      • punkinseed says:

        Ali et al trying to kidnap JC and sell her on the white slave market? That’s nothing new in Mississippi and other gulf states. They steal women and put them on ships out in international waters.

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  44. Tracer Round says:

    Question for the forensic experts here?

    Would the gasoline from the M&M tanks have a specific ‘signature’, i.e. distinguising it from another gas station?

    Would that ‘signature’ remain detectable after pyrolysis?

    If so, would the SO have been sharp enough to take a sample from the M&M pumps that night?

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    • frangelica1 says:

      It could be detectable if the gasoline supply to the other gasoline stations in the area were different. Gasoline produced at the refinery are blended with various gasoline components made during the distillation and conversion processes in the refinery and also the refinery additives are different based on the oil company’s own proprietary formula. In addition refiners can blend gasoline for sale by another oil company under exchange agreements or outright sale to them.

      I would think that sampling of all the nearby gasoline stations as quickly as possible probably for the unleaded regular grade could also maybe pinpoint the origin of the fuel if purchased from a gas station.

      In terms of matching it to the fire site, if samples of the soil in the area of the fire were taken quickly,there probably is some unburned and unvaporized gasoline within the soil at the burn site where they could match the heavier portion of the gasoline back to the heavier portion of the gasoline sold at the local gas stations.

      I am not sure that the sheriff’s office would have realized that this type sampling could be evidence but am confident that the federal agencies would know this.

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      • DeWalt says:

        During the course of an investigation I occasioned to follow a gasoline tanker. The tanker delivered to three stations during that observation. One was a mom and pop no name brand establishment, one was a Shell station and one was an Exxon. All gas came from same tanker. Later I questioned a driver from same distributor and he stated all his gas by grade was the same. I was surprised believing some brands superior to others.

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        • 2+2 says:

          Both of you are correct. A few years ago there was a problem with bad gas from Marathon stations and one other chain in the area that got their gas from the same source. Samples were taken from all the stations in the area to determine which ones were affected, and all the bad gas came from the same refinery, and only those two chains were affected from a single delivery. The refinery made good on repair/replacement of engines.

          Raw oil has a specific footprint, so oil spills can be traced to the source. But oil is commingled in pipeline before refining, so that identity is lost in the refining process.

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          • frangelica1 says:

            My experiences were with refineries that brought crude for the refineries in by water and it typically is as pure as the oil producing company procedures.

            Crude brought in by pipeline should be segregated in terminal tankage by grade and then also transported segregated through a pipeline in blocked transfers, it is a segregated transfer where the pipeline operator keeps the crudes and any products transferred by pipeline segregated until it reaches the actual refiner ho owns the material. The pipeline operator is responsible for any mishaps with these transfers.

            The refiner then chooses whether each crude type brought into the refinery is segregated or can be commingled in tankage. I have both segregated and commingled crudes brought into the refinery, I worked at, based on the crudes properties. Some crudes should never be commingled to avoid quality and operational problems at the refinery. If testing indicates the refiner did not get the correct crude or product, typically claims are made against the producer, pipeline, terminal because if you paid for a certain crude or product and you didn’t get it, its time to get retribution for all your resulting costs associated with not getting the correct material!

            Hope my experiences helps people understand the process most Majors utilize.

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            • DeWalt says:

              Thanks, always happy to learn.

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              • punkinseed says:

                What about this: What if moisture content from say M&M is different than another station’s due to different rates of condensation in the tanks? Could that maybe be a footprint? And some stations have more bio fuel mixed in than others don’t they?

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            • 2+2 says:

              thanks! For a time I worked for the federal agency that regulated that industry. 🙂
              You don’t want that sweet crude mixed with the nasty H2S stuff!

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        • VegasGuy says:

          “Branding” only comes into play with leased or franchised outlets. If the facility is “owned” by an independent, they can purchse gas from any distributor they care to, or that will sell to them.

          Someone with sufficient capitol can “buy” a Brand operation (Shell, BP, Exxon, Chevron, etc)

          If leased or franchised, they must be supplied by the brand manufacturer using the “Brand” of the outlet signage.

          One reason I do not purchase gas from “independents”….The quality varies by delivery & you can not be sure where they purchased it from.

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        • frangelica1 says:

          If that truck was delivering the same gas to all three locations, it would have to be sold as unbranded gas or as for example, Exxon Mobil gas that was also exchanged and sold to shell. Wonder if this is more of a problem with the oil companies selling their service station and more wholesale distributors being in the business?

          I would consider this to be a problem because Exxon Mobil, whom I worked for previously, and Shell have different proprietary additives and extensive quality control programs and I know personally that EXXON MOBIL prides itself on quality and doing the right thing and not having mistakes.

          For example, I remember when Exxon had a bunch of complaints about their gasoline causing the float in the carburetors getting stuck preventing cars from starting. Exxon technical investigation revealed that the associated Chemical Plant had coerced the refinery to take some of their chemicals that had some alcohol in it to use as a premium gasoline blending component that caused the resulting gasoline blend to cause car’s carburetor plastic floats to swell shutting off gas flow to the car engines. It was a tiny amount way less then 1% of the blending formula and even though all gasoline specifications were met, it still caused problems that Exxon paid some consumers for to remedy their car’s problems. My own car had this problem at the time.

          Needless to say when I was in this certain position, I would always say No to anything Chemicals wanted to sell to us that hadn’t had enough lab work to make sure it would not be a problem in the gasoline blend.

          So this was a situation where the material on paper would be a good blend component in very small quantities and there would be no problem meeting the gasoline specifications but the material caused a significant hidden problem. I have many other cases where we had to do investigations like this , which would not be possible if unbranded gasoline was sold. This was a NE refinery specific problem.

          In your case I wonder if the distribution terminal or the trucker took a shortcut cheating the respective Name Brand gasoline stations out of the gasoline they should have been given!

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  45. DeWalt says:

    From a particular refiner yes. Many refiners add gasoline detergent additives to their gas. But any station selling gas regardless of brand from that refiner would not be detectable. The ILR would be that refineries.

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    • 2+2 says:

      I always get a good laugh at people who buy a specific brand of gas, instead of buying the cheapest in the grade they use. If they only knew!

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      • pspsst says:

        I buy brand and the cheapest grade, and will continue. Brand has to commit to good performance and avoid faulty supply or their name is toast.

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  46. LBH says:

    For every question Champion attempts to answer in these pressers, he leaves new questions in the wake.

    In this most recent one, he states that they can place Jessica, in her vehicle, at the scene of the crime at 7:31 pm. How? That statement seems very specific indicating that it wasn’t cell phone pings and triangulation or GPS tracking. Those can place the phone in the car but not Jessica. He stated that they have evidence that she was in the car at that specific time. What kind of evidence?

    At the end of the presser (or at about 2:17 in the YouTube video SD posted above), someone asked how they knew that Jessica was in the car at the scene of the crime at 7:31 pm. “Was it that someone drove past and saw her car or was it someone who texted her and knew she was there?” Champion replies,“All I can say is that we are using, the, you know…the technology has helped us tremendously, as far as that’s concerned”

    Has a witness come forward and the “technology” spin is a cover? If not, what technology could place her there and, most importantly, in her vehicle at that time? Jessica telling someone she was there via text or phone would not be reliable. Did someone take a time-stamped cell phone photo of her in the car at 7:31 and they married that with GPS location? Or is there some other technology in place that we aren’t aware of?

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    • DeWalt says:

      I got it as the phone showed activity at 7:31. His poor choice of words.

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      • LBH says:

        The YouTube video above is only part of the 20 minute presser. If you go here:

        http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/clip/11146442/jessica-chambers-timeline-night-she-was-murdered

        and go to about the 4:28 mark, you will hear him clearly state that they can place her at the scene in her vehicle.

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        • reconcharlie76 says:

          So Champion states, “the next time, we can place her at a particular spot is at 6:30, excuse me, @ 7:31. We know she was on scene, where she was found. Uh, the next information we have is that the fire call came in @8:09:56.”

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      • LBH says:

        My reply is stuck in moderation…
        The YouTube video is only a portion of the 20 minute presser. If you go to the top of this page and click on the “available here” link, it will take you to the long version. At about the 4:28 mark, he clearly states that they can place her in her vehicle, and that the vehicle was at the scene of the crime.

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        • 2+2 says:

          remember the unknown witness who claims to have seen abduction, rape, and them take JLC off someplace. I suggested that the witness followed them there but stayed hidden until they set the fire then called 911. That person may have just been waiting for them to leave and was going to help JLC after the assault, but when they set her on fire, they called 911. In this scenario, they would have set the fire between 8-8:09. the EMT’s got there at 8:13. So at the most a 13 minute burn. Long enough for a car doused with accelerant to get a good burn.

          However, in light of new “evidence” I think it possible Jessica called 911 herself at 8:08.

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          • pspsst says:

            But you said the phone and battery was disconnected at 7:58 pm?

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            • 2+2 says:

              First I have to apologize for an error about the time due to the size and blurriness of the screenshot when I first saw it, and for my older vision. Diane reposted it and now it’s enlarged, I can see it is 12:08, not 12:58.

              No I didn’t say it was disconnected. I said the screenie shows the phone was active 5 hours prior to 12:58. My techie friend says that means the phone was active (on), or that a message was sent/received, within the 1 hour period 5 hours prior to 12:58. The correct time of the screenshot is 12:08. So Jessica’s phone was active 5 hours earlier, between 7:08 and 8:08. If it was active after that, it would have said 4 hours, before that, it would have said 6 hours.

              I did a test of FB chat with a couple of friends earlier. I was on laptop, they were on phone. Their names show at the top of the message. One hung up, and next to her name says “15m”, meaning she was last active 15 mins ago. She is NOT on FB, but her phone is still on. So if you hang up, it does not still stay connected to FB. All this means is that JC was using that messenger system, or her phone was turned on or active between 7:08 and 8:08.

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              • jakeandcrew says:

                Thank you, 2 + 2, for doing all of that!

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              • pspsst says:

                And a 911 call is registered at 8:09 pm. So the phone call she made spooked the killers and they made a mad dash for it. After disengaging the battery. Forgot they still had the keys. Dumped it one mile on escape route north on I-51?

                Fire truck would have passed them and witnessed the escape vehicle. If not, then they were on foot. If keys were in a ditch near road, then it was an escape vehicle. The fire station is located where?

                Fantastic testing, 2+2. Just awesome.

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          • reconcharlie76 says:

            2+2 we are gonna have to discuss this because, my thoughts on this have been stirring..

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          • reconcharlie76 says:

            This is on CTH in one of the threads, that HEATHER got on twitter and stated and started answering some questions for some. Someone posted that a cousin of JLC stated that JLC made the 911 call herself, and that she was found on passenger’s side on ground, when fire arrived. looking for this now. The one cousin, I am thinking of who stated this is
            Windy LaShea. I also seen this confirmed on twitter.

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            • reconcharlie76 says:

              When are we gonna be able to edit, thats a lot of statements, lol

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            • 2+2 says:

              her cousin Destiny said it, screenshot posted on this thread. On Dec 7 @ 12:08am, her friend Danielle looked at her last convo with Jessica in October, when she did, Messenger showed Jessica’s phone active within the last 5 hours. If you have another twitter of Windy saying Jessica made the call, please post as additional evidence. Thanks Charlie!

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            • 2+2 says:

              I was on that twitter Q&A, Heather, Lisa, Judy and AJ were answering questions at different times – it went for hours. Someone, I think Heather, said JLC was found on the ground on passenger side and told them her name, that’s how they knew who it was. She also said it scared them when she spoke.

              I’m sure the firemen knew it was arson due to accelerant odor, plus whatever other evidence may have been there and maybe Jessica saying something else.

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              • hawkeye says:

                Possible Jessica was trying to say her name to first responders rather than derrik, erik etc.
                “essic”.

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                • 2+2 says:

                  that was exactly my thought too. It does have the “ick” in it but the guys names all have an R sound too, and that seems to be what they focused on. Also, when I was considering possible out of town jailbird perps on the loose who have family in Panola, one is named Terry. If you leave off the T, maybe not being able to say it due to your mouth being burned, you have “erry”…

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                • Jan says:

                  Not only did she say Jessica, but when asked what happened she gave a name.

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        • LBH says:

          DeWalt’s post from above:

          “Wires are old school. It’s done with cellphone apps now and your not restricted by distance. App can be installed on phone by email or text and would take an expert to find.”

          Maybe there was a witness, but DeWalt’s post opens the possibility that her phone was transmitting live conversations up until someone pulled the battery.

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          • Lottacats says:

            LBH…..Got an app on my phone called find Iphone. Hubby wanted no part of the app on his phone until he misplaced his phone! LOL I physically found where he sat it down but then he had me do the app on his. Lucky too, he lost it AGAIN couple days later. The app located it, thankfully before he went out to buy another pricey phone. On my computer one day, I found him just for fun driving from Memphis. Could see him on the move all the way home. Pretty cool.

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          • 2+2 says:

            which could be why they pulled the battery after she made the call, if it didn’t come apart when she dropped it. All theoretical for any newcomers, we don’t know that any of this actually happened.

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    • punkinseed says:

      ummm… maybe the DRONE was in operation… the Drones they don’t want us to know about. They’ve been using a lot of tech. they don’t want us to know exists.

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      • LBH says:

        It wouldn’t surprise me in the least. Drone tech is here to stay. Merge that tech with the powerful cameras/computers they have in operation on the highways and it is quite a resource for Fed LE.

        Would drones be flying/filming in the area on the night of Dec 6 without reason? No. However, if they are after bigger fish in this area, I wouldn’t bet against some high tech surveillance.

        The point of my post was that Champion tipped his hand a bit by stating they had “technology” that placed her there, in her car, at a certain time.

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        • punkinseed says:

          I think you’re right. Champions body language reveals did tip his hand.
          The bigger fish makes sense as Sundance suggests as well and puts drones in action. Another thought is that a lot of people have dashcams now and maybe someone caught it.

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    • 2+2 says:

      tidbit from interview;
      Among those things are some technological skills investigators won’t even discuss. During a recent visit, FBI Director James Comey said he had no comment on the progress of the Chambers case or the FBI’s role in it, saying that even if he could discuss it, he wouldn’t

      That is the DIRECTOR of the agency, in Panola Co. He wouldn’t go there just for this case. Evidence of something bigger going on.

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  47. Truthfilter says:

    Drove around Courtland yesterday by taking HWY 6 through Batesville then making a left on the old HWY 51–which led me straight to M&M One Stop–in a matter of 2-3 minutes. There wasn’t any sign or empty geographical area separating Batesville from Courtland. Every town (like Batesville) has its underbelly–or ghetto –and this was exactly the impression I got of Courtland. At 2:00 in the afternoon, thugs were hanging out at M&M both on foot and in vehicles. Some were pulled over on the side of the road chatting with others. And they notice when a newcomer arrives. In fact I was followed by a carload of them all the way out to interstate 55–or at least I felt that way. Not one sign of law enforcement anywhere. It’s as if the town is one of those “no geaux” neighborhoods that are conveniently left unattended. As a mother, I would have moved my daughter out of there. I can’t think of any reason for living there –except that birds of a feather flock together.

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    • Lottacats says:

      Truth, after all this you’d think a cop would be around.

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    • janetsumr says:

      I didn’t see any law enforcement either this morning. Did see folks hanging out in the M & M parking lot, and buying beer and loosies inside the store. Court land is indeed a strange place.

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    • pspsst says:

      In fact I was followed by a carload of them all the way out to interstate 55

      Ominous. The police would be scared of them too.

      What if the same happened to Jessica from her apriori 6:30 pm Courtland location?

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    • Truthfilter says:

      Weed. I’ve seen it in the videos posted by some of the locals in Courtland. From what I’ve read, all the major gangs are involved in the use and sale of it. Sure, there are harder drugs available but I would bet the farm that all the players in the JC murder scenario at least smoke pot==it’s a common denominator. It’s a reason to remain in a part of town that is ignored by LE. Was it a reason to get JC out of Leah’s earlier than prescribed (Bc JC had connections)? One treeper even theorized on an earlier thread that JC stopped at M&M to buy a “blunt.” (For whom? Herself? Was there anyone else waiting on their fix?)Long term use of marijuana makes a person numb–they don’t care about their looks, their future, and they don’t react with much emotion or ask too many questions when a close relative is murdered. There’s a reason why no close relative of JC has called for a war in Courtland to find the people who did this. Birds of a feather. No pressure is being applied by relatives or locals to LE to solve this crime bc nobody in JC’s circle really cares. Auntie Sha Sha lives across the street from Lisa. If JC had been my daughter, I would already be in jail on a number of charges. I don’t understand. Even IF she wanted to, Jessica Chambers didn’t stand a chance in Hell of getting herself out of that environment. This is only my opinion,

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      • Lottacats says:

        About 20 years ago, I got wind of a location where a family member was. One of the least likely people on the planet to get on crack. I was so upset, I jumped in the car drove 70 miles to that house, saw the car. Don’t even remember being scared, just walked through the crackheads milling around outside smarting off at a couple guys that tried to speak to me. I flung open the door to that house yelling his name to get his ass in his car.
        Zombies all around in there. I made such a spectacle of myself he did as I said and quickly. Followed him home, hid his keys and drove 70 miles back home shaking all the way.
        I had no fear at all, never gave it a thought I could have been killed alone doing that. No cells then and no one knew where I was. He finally got off that shit, thankfully. Had to move away to do it though.
        He was older with a good job, unlike Jessica who could not move away on her own from the lowlifes that surrounded her. I think about that all the time. I want those MF’s caught. I want them punished harshly.
        I could not sit by as Lisa has, knowing my daughter was burned alive. I’d be out there, maybe with a friend, a cell, recording, asking anything I could and expecting answers from Ali, Charlotte, Theresa Rudd, everyone Jessica knew.
        I’m much older than her but I could not be stopped if it were my child or someone I loved.

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  48. MsSmallTown says:

    Finally made it home and found the FB post about Jessica’s car keys.

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    • 2+2 says:

      Thank you.
      so did “they” just find the car keys on 12/11?
      or did Jerry King find them 3 days before that (12/8) walking the baby down the road? What idiot walks a baby down that road? No shoulder!

      Photos show what appears to be a heart shaped keychain in the ignition and IIRC that was even written up in an article.

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      • MsSmallTown says:

        I don’t know which to believe. I need to go back and look through the earlier press releases to see if DA stated specifically the keys were in the ignition. If someone left there in a rush and wasn’t 100% sure the fire would destroy the car or Jessica, it’s very possible they removed phone battery so she couldn’t find it easily and also toss the keys further down the road.

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        • pspsst says:

          The heart-shaped object we thought was a key in the car photo is too low to be at ignition. I could be very wrong if fire caused structures to drop lower though. I hope the keys are intact and were dropped outside. Wouldn’t it be awesome if we saw it as a heart and turns out the keys have fingerprints and DNA. Please let it be so!

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      • LBH says:

        Personally, I wouldn’t place must trust in whatever KLR posted. She was on the “burn the b’s down” wagon early on.

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        I remember this, someone found the keys, Im leaning on 12/11 or later . Will try to find it

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        what is IIRC meaning?

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      • 2+2 says:

        diane posted another discussion on todays’ thread (newer comments) from twitter that says the POLICE found them in a ditch in front of that residence. We don’t have any verified account from LE about it but IIRC we do have an article and SD post based on media photos taken at impound lot that says they were in ignition, so until I see a verified police report I’m going with that.

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  49. pspsst says:

    No room to answer under question so brought here:

    @sundaybu says:
    February 19, 2015 at 2:34 pm
    Why do you say Jessica made a phone call for help at 7:58pm? I missed that. TIA

    My mistake, sorry. Jessica’s phone apparently went offline at 7:58 (not she called for help) because her good friend Destiny had a screenshot from her own phone that said Jessica was still connected 5 hours ago, when they were all at the hospital later that night (or keeping watch at 1 pm cst). But Destiny does state below that jessica called 911 herself.

    I was reading off Diane’s FB grab and 2+’s comment above. Here it is

    Diane says:
    February 19, 2015 at 6:58 am

    And Jessica’s cousin, Destiny Diane Mills, posted that JC herself called 911

    2+2 says:
    February 19, 2015 at 9:53 am

    oh….light bulb! Is that something like FB chat, where it shows you friends names and when they were last active? So on Dec 7 at 12:58am, she was looking at her last convo with Jessica in October, and it shows Jessica’s last activity on HER phone 12/6 was 5 hours earlier? Which would be 7:58pm CST if Danielle is in CST, or 6:58pm if she is EST. That would seem to verify Lisa’s call, yes?

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  50. MsSmallTown says:

    This is a work in progress from my files. I hope that since all this information was found in public records that it is not inappropriate to post. (If so, Admins, please remove)

    If anyone has other locations that would help to better imagine the different locations, please let me know and I’ll update, or you’re welcome to edit the map I’ve started.

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    • Les says:

      You could add Ssedrick at the corner of Hentz and McNeely (but the gascan man and aunt gascansandy probably went right past his house after they burned the car…).

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      • MsSmallTown says:

        Les, I’m trying to verify an address for him, but I’m not finding it. Possibly Todd St?

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        • Les says:

          I am basing this off Google Maps picture of his red Ozark truck being parked at that location. If you travel (via the map) McNeely Road to the corner, you will see his truck. If he doesn’t live there, someone he knows does.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Thanks that’s helpful 🙂

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    • pspsst says:

      Keys were dumped near 124 Main St, just after the Bibbs family location. Lottacats said a bunch of locals heard she had been dating an ‘Eric’ or had an abusive relationship. Is Eric still on our radar, or do you think he’s being set up to take the blame?

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      • MsSmallTown says:

        As many people in that small area that have frequent arrest, bizarre FB posts, drugs, alcohol, and any number of publicized garbage, etc.. I don’t see that with the Bibbs family. I know anything is possible, and some people hide evil really well, but he would be at the bottom of my suspect list. (Someone else jealous of their relationship… yeah, I could see that)

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        • pspsst says:

          Travion Bibb is college and most arsonists are up to 10 years formal education with low problem solving skillz. It would have to be something other strong motive. He wouldn’t dump the keys so close to his home.

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          • 2+2 says:

            just as an aside, 3/4 of those writing in ebonics on FB have HS education at a minimum and most of those have been to at least community college. They are capable of using understandable language but choose not to. Example: look at Alex Aye Sanford’s page when he’s promoting his “church” to the public and asking for volunteer tutors, and compare that to his normal “speak” with the hood. BTW he’s the Sanford pictured with cameljockey at the store throwing gang sign and talking about how he supports him.

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        • Les says:

          He’s part of the Goodie Squad, can’t be that squeaky clean. Another Goodie Squad is a pretty girl named Eriyunnah: http://i60.tinypic.com/savbqu.jpg Nice shower curtain…

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          • justfactsplz says:

            Jessica had a picture of herself with a shower curtain in the backdrop also. It was a different color but also had the circles.

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            • Les says:

              I was wondering if they are hotel shower cutains. Sometimes hotels have different color schemes in different rooms but use the same patterns from the same suppliers.

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              • VegasGuy says:

                There were 2 photos of Jessica taken in a bathroom at different times. Both had the shower curtin which, IIRC, was Blue with Yellow & Green circles. One photo had the curtin pulled across the tub & the second photo had the curtin drawn fully to the lef & against the wall.

                In the photo above, you can see the toilet seat & tank in the lower right of the picture. Notice the Beige handle upright just behind the toilet seat. Pretty sure that is a bowl cleaning brush sitting next to the toilet. Normally, you would not find that in a Hotel/Motel. Cleaning equipment is ususally kept with Housecleaning staff.

                IMO, that bathroom is in a residence.
                FWIW…..

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              • justfactsplz says:

                This was exactly my thought, a motel. Another possibility is mobile home. They use the same color schemes for a few years in mobile homes. The plastic sink in the one makes me think mobile home.

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        • Lottacats says:

          According to SD’s bullet points from Champion press conference, she was spotted at:
          ♦ She leaves the residence (headed North) and at 6:10 pm is identified at SR #51 and Highway #6 in Batesville where she is identified in the area (via private CCTV) for approximately 10 to 15 minutes.
          Also, in Tues. Panolian there’s an Eric Booker from Courtland arrested and charged for disorderly conduct, failure to comply and improper equipment.
          Checked his FB, not much there since 2011?, but saw a like from I break spines.

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        • 2+2 says:

          I agree. Bibbs are off my radar. Le went there first because of the “ick” name and he was closest.

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      • MsSmallTown says:

        Lets add the key location….

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      • 2+2 says:

        psp, I’m not sure, but I don’t think the keys being found there has been confirmed by LE or anyone, that was a FB post and it was 2 people saying they were found on 2 different days. IIRC we have seen photo evidence and an article stating the keys were in the ignition – heart shaped keychain. Please correct if I’m mistaken.

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        • pspsst says:

          I’ve only seen a photo of the car interior with what looked to be a heart shaped key chain but on closer examination based on challenge by Walter, it did seem too shiny and too low down below the steering wheel to be anywhere near the ignition. Unless the ignition portion of the steering wheel had dropped due to fire. I have not seen the article stating the keys were in the ignition – it would be useful to find it again if it is cited.

          Diane would know where she got the keys on ditch reference, but I’m assuming it was from the same FB. Are these two particular FB posts reliable or are they planted?

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    • pspsst says:

      MsSmalltown, please add Courtland Volunteer Fire Dept

      536 Main Street
      Courtland, MS 38620 – View Map
      Phone: (662) 563-0628

      http://www.manta.com/cmap/mr5jt0d/courtland-volunteer-fire-department

      It’s further into Courtland, north of crime scene. Good to see if they could have witnessed the escapees or if they fled on foot and how they could have ran in haste after 911.

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      • MsSmallTown says:

        Updated to include Fire Dept:

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        • 2+2 says:

          please add the church parking lot where lifelift was made to memphis.
          please add impound lot. (for complete route of car from crime scene)

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          • pspsst says:

            Speaking of escape, I know we’ve discounted the McCleric’s witness of loud pipes, but could we just add his house location too? Like to know how close it is and if it narrows path of travel down to some of these suspect homes. Fire trucks may not have heard the pipe blast if sirens were on. But I’ve read really gussied up double pipes can go over 93 dB which is equivalent to a train passing.

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          • MsSmallTown says:

            Added – Sheriff’s Office & AirLift location.

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