Tilting at Windmills … use $770 worth of electricity, pay a $10,000 bill …

Tilting at windmills is very very costly ….

windmillfire(H/t Small Dead Animals)

A  good friend of mine runs a business in the County. He has done so for 40 years. He showed me his electricity bill last week. In December, he spent $770 on electricity. It was one of the least expensive lines on his bill. The global adjustment charge was $4,267.32. There was also a delivery charge, a debt retirement charge and an array of taxes.

In total, he spent nearly $10,000 in December—for $770 of electricity. He doesn’t know where this money is going. He is not sure he can keep up. He isn’t alone.

The Liberal Government of Ontario, in a feverish bit of “do-goodism” social justice advocacy, made the decision to significantly idle their fully paid for, clean, effective hydro-electric generating stations to pivot to a “diversified” “green” energy policy that relied upon solar and wind.  to replace older, coal-powered generating stations that were being phased out as part of the “anti-coal” ideology so in vogue with the far Left.  This is the same energy policy that is currently being pursued by the Germans, and, combined with “cap and trade” swaps, is the holy grail of energy policy for the Obama Administration.  Obama did warn Americans that after his energy policies were fully implemented, “electricity prices would necessarily skyrocket” ….

The costs of transitioning to “alternative” energy were enormous, not to mention the havoc it played with the existing power grid.  Reliable, steady hydro-electric power would be shut down to make room in the power generation band for the transmission of wind and solar into the grid, but then hydro-electric and coal generated power would have to be brought up again after sun-down, when wind and solar generation was non-existent.  Wind power can not supply “base-load” generation on demand, and must be “backed up” by stand-by natural gas turbines – at additional cost, of course.  The Liberal government budgeted $585 million for two gas-fired generation plants that were never built, as one of the many fool-hardy and fiscally irresponsible choices deemed necessary to push “green energy policy” forward.

BirdwindmillkillPower plant operators were directed to allow water to “spill” over the dams circumventing the hydro-electric generation turbines to favor the more expensive, ineffective “green” generation streams.  Not only was it costly and ineffective – as if that was all! –  the feel-good, drum-circle policy knowingly created second and third order corrosive economic effects downstream which are now crippling even well established businesses:

“…The global adjustment is a catch-all fee that covers the provincial government’s intervention in electricity generating market. It pays for solar generators, industrial wind turbine plants and subsidized exports to Michigan and Quebec. It covers the subsidized rates some chosen industries pay. It pays for the lawyers who battle residents and groups—including the Prince Edward County Field Naturalists—at tribunals and courtrooms across the province.

In essence, my friend is paying an amount nearly six times the value of the electricity he used to line the pockets of industrial wind developers, solar companies, lawyers, foreign owned smelters, as well as enriching Michigan’s coffers to take this power off our grid.”

Read the whole tragic tale here.

Progressive Policy Making at its finest.

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70 Responses to Tilting at Windmills … use $770 worth of electricity, pay a $10,000 bill …

  1. Ursula says:

    Disgusting, makes my blood boil and phoney PETA does nothing about all the wonderful birds that are killed on top of this insanity.
    How can this be stopped? Only a handful of idiots are getting controlling the population.

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  2. czarowniczy says:

    Just tonite I saw a piece on Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (listed as an Independent but states he’s a ‘Socialist’) blather on about how the climate change debate’s over, we have to start adjusting our lifestyles (us, not necessarily him) and start making major MAJOR reductions in carbon emissions. The other major group of admitted Socialist politicians, the Chinese, are raughing their asses of asses off as they look at how they cowed our dear POtuS into not only exceeding our carbon reductions goals but allowing them to put off anything that even sniffs of a carbon reduction goal until so far off into the future it’s, well….raughable.
    I’m waiting for those Hollyork TV and theater productions to start rolling out, extolling the heroic nature of people voluntarily boarding those FEMA trains to the processing centers (our motto: “We Put the Green in Soylent Green’). Those international carbon limits can’t be met if the poor, disenfranchised 3rd world centers of historical European/US socioeconomic exploitation aren’t allowed to fudge to catch up to where we are. Can’t expect them to continue living in mud and grass huts while we go into neutral, coasting on our racially hegemonic gains. Time to start pushing granny and gramps towards the exit and splitting their goods with the Feds.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      You forgot to factor in the lost water calculation. The average human “stores” 60% of its weight in water, so for a 150# human, that’s 90# of fresh water per human taken out of the water cycle in a closed system that is already under “unacceptable” duress. Jacques Cousteau and Ted Turner have made it very clear that this is unacceptable, and to save the earth, 90% of extraneous, water-gluttony humans must be removed from the equation. Cousteau, being the science guy and all, helpfully did the maff for us: according to his calculations, 350,000 humans must ceast to exist daily.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        QUICK! Let’s use the EPA and have one of the Beltway bandit bureaucrats dictate that these people can’t be recycled without each and every drop being tested for Federally acceptable purity before it’s returned to Gaia. That should give us a few more centuries before they can pull their collective heads out.

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      • partyzantski says:

        This is insane. So, Cousteau and Klan state that the goal is to delete 350K people a DAY just to put water back into the environment?

        The Nazis had NOTHING on these “people”!

        Might it be more useful to adopt birth control methodology in the undeveloped world? might THAT have more of an impact than these mass murdering enviro fascists?

        When people state what their plan is, one is foolish to dismiss it as BS.

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        • ytz4mee says:

          It’s not “just” to put water back in the environment. It’s to keep the earth “in balance and harmony”. Water scarcity/human water hogging is a big factor in their maff, tho. about what constitutes an earth “in balance”.

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          • Lou says:

            this story seems to be a fraud IMO. first of all, the people that have the money are the people in the oil/gas energy production. a newly started industry doesn’t have money to start up, so they need government subsidies and the savings in a newer technology is passed onto the consumer. this seems like a BS story by those in the oil/gas industry. it’s fairly common for a current energy industry to demonize a newer technology since they invested so much capital into their own business.

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            • ytz4mee says:

              Atta boy, Lou. Don’t read any of the embedded links in the story, don’t apply any critical thinking or analysis, and for heaven’s sake, don’t do any independent research or investigation – just go with your feelings.

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              • lineman says:

                Exactly…But isn’t that why we are in the mess we are in because every is doing or not doing based on there feelings or what other people are feeling instead of facts and logic…Lou you talk about oil/gas companies but don’t mention how much graf and corruption there is in solar and wind companies…Wind and Solar on a large scale is a joke and wouldn’t even be possible without subsidies because it is not reliable power…Like the article stated for every kilowatt/hr you have supplied with wind and solar you have to have a gas turbine ready to supply that at a moments notice which means they have to be spinning all the time…If the government was really concerned about the environment they wouldnt have done it that way…Geothermal, hydro, and thorium nuclear plants are really the only clean energy on a wide scale…

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                • Les says:

                  And tidal in some areas, if we ever figure that out.

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                • lineman says:

                  Yep agree on that…Solar and Wind are good for individual houses or businesses up to subdivisions other than that its too cost prohibitive because of reliability…

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                • Lou says:

                  of course, the technology isn’t there yet. that’s why gov’t subsidies help to further technology. as I stated to Stella, the technology of the internet wouldn’t be there without the government. Research and Development do need a little incentive. there isn’t any money given to the creators of the World Wide Web which the gov’t created.

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            • Eskie Mom says:

              WTH? Lou, does the name T. Boone Pickens mean anything to you? Mr Pickens is the billionaire Texas oil magnate/ head of BP Petroleum’s hedge fund who has shifted a lot of his focus from oil & natural gas to wind farms. Believe me, these guys have more money than they know what to do with. Look him up on Wikipedia.

              The problem lies, once again, with the corruption involved in “subsidies” & “passing the start up costs on to the consumers”. Great place to hide money for “special [political] projects”, especially in cases like Solyndra (spend like drunken sailors on shore leave & bankrupt quickly) & the gift that keeps on giving. (or maybe it’s another one of those “giant sucking sounds”)

              You must be too young to be paying your own utility bills or have more money than brains. The South Texas Nuclear Project is still soaking the citizens of Texas & it’s been 30 years.

              Furthermore, how many countries have abandoned wind technology because it just doesn’t work? If you’ll google “countries that have abandoned wind farm technology”, you’ll get a head full. Start here

              http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/tait-trussell/wind-power-is-dying/2/

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          • Les says:

            I don’t disagree with population control. Science keeps people from starving now. If we grew only heirloom/unmodified crops and raised only free range animals, we would have exceeded the carrying capacity of Earth a long time ago. There are millions, maybe billions, of people who don’t apply any skill to contribute to society. We keep them as pets. The only people who should be sitting around all day are people who have contributed their 30 or 40 years and who have retired. The rest of the people should be doing something useful.

            Have you ever seen the Georgia Guidestone? http://www.guidestones.us/theories/ I’m not much of a conspiracy nut, but these are a “mystery.” A lot of locals think Ted Turner did it:

            The Ten Guidelines:

            Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature

            Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity

            Unite humanity with a living new language

            Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason

            Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts

            Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court

            Avoid petty laws and useless officials

            Balance personal rights with social duties

            Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite

            Be not a cancer on the earth –Leave room for nature –Leave room for nature

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            • Les says:

              I’d love to see one of writers here take on the Georgia Guidestones sometime, hear your thoughts on them. I know you have to watch the political spectrum because they are always trying to screw us over behind our backs, but if you ever get bored…

              I usually don’t care much what other people think about things, I vote alone. lol But I would be interested in your take on them. People here have a definite viewpoint. I don’t always agree, but I always learn something. This place isn’t a mindless waste of time.

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      • BertDilbert says:

        “that’s 90# of fresh water per human taken out of the water cycle in a closed system”

        Yeah but that dam that is now cresting over the top to allow for alternative energy. is also a closed system. Just think of all the human credits that can be bought and released from the dam! Please stand by while Al Gore sets up a trading system.

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    • partyzantski says:

      Bernie Sanders, if there were truth in advertising labels, would be labelled as “IDIOT”.

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      • czarowniczy says:

        And why oh why do these wingnuts keep popping up in politics? How can a majority of voters all have the same brainfart at the same time?

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      • Lou says:

        I don’t agree most of what Bernie says, BUT he was the only Senator that voted NOT to bail out the banks when the banks were giving poor slobs loans that didn’t deserve them (0 down).

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        • ytz4mee says:

          Bernie Sanders is a shameless, mouth-breathing drooling ideological hack. 👿

          He didn’t vote for TARP only because it was a Republican led effort, led by a Republican WH.

          He quite happily voted for the BS “Economic Stimulus” package, which was the mirror effort crafted by the far Left, but while TARP was bad, Stimulus was “great” because it was a package that was pay-offs to all the little Proggies and their coterie, and was led by a Progressive WH (the most important factor for partisan hacks like Bernie….) Oh, they couldn’t give themselves ENOUGH high-fives for voting the working class into debt slavery.

          Bernie’s only disappointment in voting for the economic-destroying “Stimulus” package was that it didn’t include tax credits for those “wind and solar”. (Solyndra, anyone??)

          spits

          The Senate voted Thursday for an economic stimulus package that adds retirees and disabled veterans to a House-passed version of the bill. “I am glad the stimulus package was substantially improved by adding help for 20 million seniors on Social Security and 250,000 veterans living on disability benefits. Including seniors and veterans will help people truly in need, and it will help the economy overall. It’s the right thing to do,” Senator Bernie Sanders said. “I am disappointed, however, that the Republicans filibustered a better package that also included home heating assistance, an extension of unemployment insurance and a tax credit for those involved with wind and solar energy. Our economy is in trouble and I intend to do all I can to bring these measures back up as soon as possible.”

          http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/economic-stimulus-substantially-improved

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          • Lou says:

            all the dems voted for the bank bailout as well. this isn’t a left-right issue, because all of these POLITICIANS are on the same page.

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  3. partyzantski says:

    When that first bill hits in the U.S., it will instantly pauperize a significant portion of the population. Even if they can pay it will be but a few months before they are brought to bankruptcy.

    This is a crisis that they have “generated’ (no pun intended), what will be the “solution”? My guess some part of it will be loyalty oaths for a reduced rate that is barely affordable. How will this work? Will they give free power to welfare recipients, yet skin every one else alive?

    Is the Federal Government TRYING to foment unrest and rebellion? Not many better ways than this to do it.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      That’s one subaspect of this that really gets in my craw. It’s the Liberal/Prog philosophy that there is no amount of “other people’s money” that can’t be spent pursuing their ideological visions, and, to rub salt in the wound, they take offense to any hint that they should be thrifty and accountable for public funds.

      We experienced this same-same mentality that has driven the Ontario wind debacle in our local school district. Once the board was overtaken by Progs, suddenly, there were all sorts of things the school administration “needed”. A new, very fancy, very expensive, headquarters. “Diversity officers” in every school. “Guidance counselors” in the middle schools. Expensive playing fields with professional concessions and viewing stands that would put some stadiums in the NFL to shame. And on and on and on. “No” was never part of their vocabulary. When a group of us protested about our RE taxes going up 300% in the short span of a few years, we were snottily told we were “rich” and could “afford it”. (Um… no….). The idea that they should think about spending and be accountable for every dollar they ask to levy never was part of the equation. The spending spree was quite fine with the residents of the opposite end of the county, who lived in rent and tax-subsidized housing and were very excited about all the new “opportunities” for their children, and who outnumbered us at the voting booth. (It’s really easy to vote for higher levies, when you don’t have to pay them…)

      This is the mentality we are experiencing, at all levels of government. $10,000 electric bill? Well – you can afford it – and if you can’t – well, just do without peasant! There’s a Green Energy Contractor who’s lobbyist has handsomely lined our pockets, so ….. Forward!

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      • lineman says:

        Sounds like you needed to be moving somewhere where your not surrounded by idiots;)…Come out where I’m at where we have just a wee bit more freedom than that…

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        • ytz4mee says:

          We ended up here because my husband was in military service, and this was his final posting (at our request – it was the closest duty station his branch of service has to his ailing parents).

          We had our house custom built 20 years ago the first time he was posted to this area, thinking it would be our dream/retirement home. The area at that time was uber uber conservative. It has been targeted by the Left specifically because it was uber conservative, and now is at best, “purple”. Large tracts of land which, when we purchased and built, were “guaranteed” to remain agricultural and two WWII sites owned by the federal government and sitting idle we were assured could only be converted to commercial because they were EPA sites and not suitable for residential development. Well, surprise. The large swaths of “permananent agricultural space” are now thousands of units of rent-subsidized tenements as are the former WWII EPA sites, of which the environmental concerns were miracled away once the Progs took over. Third world refugees, illegal aliens and transplants from the most violent ghettos of DC and NJ have been deliberately moved here. (They have openly admitted that they had no idea this area existed, until their social worker told them they could take their Section 8 voucher anywhere, and gave them a list of places, of which ours was at the very top – and a “charitable organization” paid their moving costs and the deposits needed to set up their utilities).

          I am beyond furious, because it is expensive to move and there is no guarantee that whereever we move to, the same thing won’t happen again. This isn’t “block busting”, it’s deliberative community-busting, and Holder has been quite open he intends to escalate it.

          We hope to have our house sold in the Spring. Already there are rumors in the community that we are moving, and we’ve had unsolicited inquiries by several multi-generation Muslim families (a huge mosque is now slated to go in very close to our house, over the objections of the long time locals).
          The families that have been here for generations and owned land gave up trying to fight, cashed out and fled.

          There are days I fear we will never get out of here, though. Because I am afraid that the same thing will happen to us whereever we move to, my spouse and I are seriously considering becoming ex-pats. There are a number of places still populated by majority white Christian people that his retirement pay alone would provide us a very comfortable living.

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          • lineman says:

            Come out here to the mountains…We are still free people out here…Don’t leave…We need all the Patriots we can get if the US falls the world won’t be a safe place for any freedom minded people…Its a whole different culture out here and you would love it…

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    • ytz4mee says:

      How will this work? Will they give free power to welfare recipients, yet skin every one else alive?

      Phase I of this is already being implemented, with “Smart Grid Meters”. The owners of the meter – the utility companies – now have the ability to turn your individual power supply on and off at will. Consumers who have been “test market” subjects report that the PR claim of “managed utilities” means they are completely SHUT OFF at peak loads and whenever TPTB deem it “necessary”. One guy stated he woke up in the middle of the night in a puddle of sweat to discover that his AC had been shut off by the “smart meter”. Ability to pay is secondary to central control. Those customers who refuse to have a “smart meter” installed have their access to the utility cut off completely.

      Others complain that “Smart Meters” are very easy to hack.

      But no worries. Our betters won’t feel the effects of these policies, anymore than they will have to rely upon Obamacare or have their bodyguards and/or CCP taken away when “gun control” reaches its terminus.

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      • MaryfromMarin says:

        We opted out of the Smart Meter. In fact, when I found they’d installed one w/out my knowledge, I had them remove it and reinstall an old style one. Man, that felt empowering.

        Costs us $10/month NOT to have one, but it’s cheap peace of mind, IMO.

        Until the option is eliminated.

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        • Les says:

          You have to pay NOT to have one? WTH?

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          • Sharon says:

            That’s the way this works….in all contexts.

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            • Les says:

              This is the last step to providing EVERYTHING to working-age non-producers who refuse to do anything but breed. We pay for their housing. We pay for their food. We pay for their phones. We pay for their sundries. We give them $10 cable/internet and will buy them a computer. We were already reducing their energy bills, now we will pay for ALL of it.

              I’m sure there is a program to buy them cars somewhere. I know some people already get free/discounted bus passes.

              It’s horrifying, really. I would rather take my forced conributions and invest them in something that will make America better: my family. We all graduate, work and serve.

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          • MaryfromMarin says:

            Yes. But I prefer to think of it as paying for the privilege of having one LESS intrusive monitoring device–for the time being, anyway.

            Not ideal–but I don’t want any Smart Meter and Smart Appliances spying on me.

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    • woohoowee says:

      Have you yet considered how many Americans are going to be upside down because they simply don’t have the out-of-pocket to cover their mandated “coverage” under Obolacare?

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      “Is the Federal Government TRYING to foment unrest and rebellion?” YES

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      • lineman says:

        Amen they need it to hide just how badly the raped and pillage the people here in the FUSA…Otherwise the people would be coming after them with pitchforks and torches…

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  4. partyzantski says:

    Karl Denninger has stated accurately that every unit of economic output is the result of one unit of energy input. My apologies in advance to him if I have muddled that up.

    So, if energy costs go up by a factor of SIX, then the economic output will drop to about 16% of its previous value if the amount spent on energy remains constant. This would be an immediate and irreversible collapse of everything… shortly followed by the collapse of all that export to us. It is a global, man-made grid down event, effectively.

    How many businesses can survive that level of downscaling? The supply chain chaos and oversupply (temporary overstock of raw materials already in the pipe) that will result will rend the nation. There will be no more America, no more Americans… just memories and a harsh reality of daily survival.

    Thanks, Obama!

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  5. partyzantski says:

    350K a day… they could rack up the equivalent of the Holocaust in a tad over 17 days.
    2 questions with no immediate answer… where will they start, and what will each citizen do about it in time? 3rd question… will the last goon squad refuse to do itself in, in accordance with the POTUS’ precepts?

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    • Les says:

      They started by funding abortions.

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      • Sharon says:

        ….and the day will come when those who refuse to have abortions after the assigned # of permitted children will be penalized in a variety of ways, ala China. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about this.

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        • ytz4mee says:

          They’re already preaching the “morality” of “post-birth” abortion … ie infanticide.

          The underclass will continue to be funded and encouraged to grow up to such time as the working class (“salt of the earth/backbone of western civilization”) has been totally wiped out. Then the underclass will experience firsthand the concept of “useful idiots” as will those on the periphery of Progressive advocacy.

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          • Les says:

            I think we are almost there. We are almost taxed to death.

            I stopped buying stuff I don’t need. And I watch my consumption (utilities, transportation, goods, services, etc.). Not because I’m a hippie (hate hippies and hipsters) but because I’m not giving a penny more than I need to give. When they stop taking so much, I will feel more like giving. It maybe isn’t the wisest choice, and I try to help local businesses, but I’m fed up and felt like I needed to something. Anything. It’s what I can control as an individual.
            That and voting in every election.

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            • ytz4mee says:

              Good for you. If everyone makes just small changes to their lifestyle and consumption habits, we can make a difference -especially after their ability to continue to print fiat money without repercussions comes to an end (and it will).

              We also made the decision to consume in a pattern that fits our beliefs. Our neighbors laugh at us often as “spitting in the wind”. The last time we bought a new car was in 2001 and we still have it – a 2002 year model stripped down Suburban, which now has almost 300,000 miles on it. Our other daily driver is a 2004 Toyota Camry I bought from an estate sale with 8,000 miles on it I purchased in 2011. When I brought the “new” Camry home, I passed on my 1997 Camry with 248,000 miles on it to my son in grad school, who is still driving it and it’s gone over 300 K. I have a self-indulgent luxury car I bought for myself for my 50th birthday (but again, I bought it gently used with less than 5,000 on the odo) and it is pampered and garaged and my “let’s take a Sunday drive” treat. It’s a 2007 and I just turned over 12,000 on the odo and it finally needs to go in for its 12,000 service call. The dealership doesn’t like me very much as I do have it dealer serviced for the long-term value and record-keeping but refuse to be upsold on extras.

              We made a conscious decision to change in 2007 when it became obvious Obama was going to win, and I’m glad we did. Like you, we try and keep our government footprint of services consumed to a minimum, even though we’re extorted to pay full freight for everyone else. We homeschooled our kids. When my husband knew he was going to be deployed for multiple year-long assignments, he asked me to quit my career and become a full-time homemaker. Not a Mom, but a “home-maker”. It was a huge shift for me, and one I am glad we as a couple decided to make. When I do go to the local grocery store, I usually get out of there for under $25. We have a huge TEOTWAWKI pantry, and about every three months or so we will go the local military commissary and do a major stock up of canned goods and hygiene supplies. I learned how to garden and can like my grandmother did. Not only does the food taste so much better, but I was shocked at how little we were spending and what a difference even a small garden plot can make to your bottom line.

              A young family in our community from my husband’s church was desperately trying to hang on to their family farm. They got a contract to provide free range organic chickens to a local high end resort, but if they paid for labor to slaughter the chickens when a big order came in, the labor costs based on local government diktats would wipe out any profit. So the church answered the call. When a large order comes in, my husband and sometimes my son and other guys in the church will drive out to the farm and slaughter chickens. Sometimes my husband can only commit to an hour or two, and sometimes he’ll stay a half-day. He gets paid in chickens and fresh eggs. I was shocked the first time he came home with his “pay” – the chickens he was given were both over 10 lbs each – they were more like small turkeys – and the flavor! Incredible. I think it costs him more in gas to drive out to slaughter chickens than the value of the chickens he “earns”, but that’s not the point. And we all know we have an alternative source for fresh protein if things go south – he’s part of the “Goodwill” bank of organic farmers in the area.

              My DH couldn’t go hunting last year, so we paid the butchering fee for a friend who did snag a feral hog, and we split the carcass. It was a win-win for both families. We also consume a lot of venison, and we buy a quarter beef from one of the small farmers in our network. We barter for things as much as we can. I bartered managing the web presence and marketing promotions of the athletic club my daughter belongs to for private and group lessons for the season, for example before she made the National team (which is now funded by the govt).

              I’ve lost track of the last time I purchased anything from the General Mills/Coke/Frito-Lay/Pepsi etc mega corps as a political statement. The last time we were in our local supermarket chain, my DH looked wistfully at the Cheerios on sale but I managed to guilt-hustle him out of there. We’ve purchased Christmas gifts from small artisans for the past several years now.

              Any small thing you can do to get yourself out of the trap is meaningful.

              I post this mega-long screed not because I’m trying to “sell” people on our lifestyle choices, but because I get emails and comments from lurkers who state that they find these types of responses encouraging and inspiring – that they are not alone in feeling this way, or wanting to choose how they consume and how they live their lives. It’s hard to break away from the belief in the two working parent/mega consumer household, but it is very satisfying to do so.

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              • Les says:

                That’s amazing, especially if you consider the amount of work and dedication it takes. I have a question, if you don’t want to answer I will understand. Do you bank with a major institution? Okay, two questions. Do you keep your savings in a bank or as gold/guns/some commodity you can barter?

                I know a couple that built a cobb house on their land and only work a few hours a week. They love their lifestyle. I wouldn’t be able to do it because they don’t have internet and heat their home with wood they split themselves. I grew up with a wood stove and I’m not going back. But there are a lot of takeaways in your post.

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                • ytz4mee says:

                  We still live in a community with a HOA and all that portends ….. not off the grid by any stretch of the imagination.

                  To answer your questions — yes, we still “bank” – my husband has to have somewhere to have his retirement pay sent by direct deposit 😉 – but I’m not sure if it meets your definition of a “major bank” – we use USAA, the military bank for our day to day personal banking, credit cards and car/house insurance. We use Navy Federal Credit Union as a separate account to manage the funds and expenses for our rental property. The reality is, if you get yourself “too” off the grid, you highline yourself for not good reasons.

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                • Les says:

                  Thank you. I know that was nosy of me. lol

                  Even if people don’t go “all in” like your family has, you are giving people some good ideas. We don’t have to be so reliant and we don’t need everything we see.

                  I changed when I noticed I had twos and threes of the same things. That’s craziness. When I moved last, I donated truckloads of stuff I worked to pay for, many items were unused or gently used. I decided then I didn’t need, or want, most of the stuff I had in my home.

                  We fill up every closet, drawer, cupboard and crevice in our homes. Many homes are stufffed wall to wall with posessions. We are programmed to think more is better. I read somewhere that everything you own isn’t a posession, it’s a responsibility. You have to maintain it, clean it, fix it, put it away, think about it, look at it, think about it, etc. When you have less “stuff” sitting around, you can think about other things and have less responsibility and more time.

                  You probably learned not to clutter and hoard from PCS moves. It is a lesson we all need to learn. We need to be in fighting trim in all areas of our lives. I’m not preaching doomday, just see things going from bad to worse lately. We need to keep more of what we earn. We might need it.

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  6. BertDilbert says:

    Maybe they can double down and force people to plug in electric cars into the system. Since people will no longer be paying sales and road tax at the pump, we can add those taxes to the electric bill as well.

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    • partyzantski says:

      Electric cars…. HAH!
      Generation of power and transmission of same involves losses of efficiency, given up as heat. Power generation creates pollution, be it radioactive, carbon, partially burned hydrocarbons, solar creates all manner of toxic waste to make solar cells.
      So, the next smug bastard who thinks his electric or hybrid vehicle is consequence-free, they have just branded themselves a tool and an idiot.

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  7. crossthread42 says:

    Those F&^%$ Progressives are starting up that Wind Mill carp Here in ILM N.C., here on the Coast, trying to say, ‘We’ve got the highest Ratio/Wind Power on the Entire East Coast”,,, errrm NO, We don’t there’s days (even With the sea breeze ), the Wind doesn’t blow at ALL, In addition, Never Mind the Nor’Easters. Hurricanes & Tropical Storms, with Waves Heights Offshore that top 20’ plus…. Think of these Things in a EXTREME Salt environment… having to Go miles? Offshore too repair them… Then They want too shut-down Our perfectly Working NUKE plant!!!! (they already Shut-down Coal here, switching too Natural Gas…)

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    • Les says:

      Energy is a touchy subject. The left grasped it and like to pretend all conservatives are war-mongering oil barons. It is one of their “I’m smarter than you are” issues. They like to suggest conservatives “don’t do science” and all “war is for oil.” It isn’t true.

      All energy production technologies (nuclear, refined coal, biomass, landfill gas, geothermal, etc.) had or now receive a production tax credit (PTC). Most of the credits just expired, not sure which as I don’t really keep up with it.

      Before you take an anti-wind stand, make sure you know how it will be funded and if it will benefit your state and the cost of your electricity. Texas has cheap power. I hope a native Texan will speak on this and let me know if they had to pay a bunch to get the wind towers built in the state. I’m not sure how much it cost at the time of implementation. I do know Texas gets pretty dang hot in the summer and the cooling bill is pretty cheap considering. I pay 1/2 to 1/3 what I would have been paying in the last coal-powered state in which I lived.

      Our nuclear power plants are getting old. The concrete can only withstand so much. What are we going to do with these plants? Many are older than the recommended 25-30 years they were built to withstand. Are we going to fence them off and pay to guard them? Bury them under millions of loads of concrete? You mentioned North Carolina:
      Brunswick Plant, online in 1975
      McGuire: 1981 and 1984
      Shearon Harris: 1987
      Catawba: 1985 and 1986

      There is always some wind near a large body of water.. Even if it isn’t a windy day, convection currents are created near the coast (and change direction) every day. I think Texas gets about 10% of its energy from wind power, not a bad investment as this is a HUGE state.

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      • crossthread42 says:

        I’m very aware of Convection currents LEs, We call it the Sea Breeze Effect, on-shore Winds; With “reversal” in the Evening, though that happens @ the “Immediate Coast” more or Less… Our Nuke plant is the Bruswick-SouthPort Site (1975) being a BWR.. Funding? I’m looking into this, As Studies are being conducted at this Point.. Though I can say this, Our energy Provider eg: Duke Energy has balked at the Prospect of doing this, (Unless it’s with Massive Subsidies & Tax Cuts), as they already been; Are/Ordered to replace the Coal For Natural Gas fired plants.. Then there’s the Ecology, itself along the Cioast, Will Power lines under the Water affect Massive Migrations of Fish & sea-life, (Magnetic waves generated by the power lines)? Bird Migration & of course the Liberal Bastion of Turtles and Whales that frequent Our Coast every year.. Then,, there is the extreme Weather events in a Salt Water Environment… Lastly for Our Nuculer Plant, WHEN it was built, 2 of the Cooling Towers were never finished, built half-way up, they now serve as a Storage Facility of sorts having Spent fuel “Dry Casked” on-site, with-in the unfinished Towers, on Concrete Pad(s).. The Whole Nuclear Site would be BETTER served, Devoloping The PROVEN GREEN tech that WE know Works, (on a smaller scale), just needing to scale-UP, using the Dry casked Spent Fuel as a Fuel Source to get it going for the next 500 YEARS!!! See here–> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/01/07/nuclear-power-turns-to-salt/
        For the Wind Power Studies,, see here—> http://www.climate.unc.edu/Portals/Climate/Coastal%20Wind-%20Energy%20for%20NC2019s%20Future.pdf

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        • Les says:

          Thanks, I bookmarked that first link to read over again later.

          It’s a mistake for us as a country to only “invest” via tax breaks in only one energy source, seems wind and solar are still the gov’t favs. You need to plant stories on liberal sites about the salt reactors and make it seem like their idea.

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  8. partyzantski says:

    At some point of increased power cost (I am figuring liquid fuels as well as what comes in over the power grid), the national transportation network and supply logistics infrastructure will cease to function.

    Think 6x the cost to move any thing from A to B. Fly to see grandma? Out of the question.

    The value of cars will plummet. Airlines will fold. The level of cost will actually impinge upon military operations. Food costs…. the list is astounding. This Obama Plan will result in nothing less than a Mao-like “Great leap Forward”, with attendant mass starvation of millions and all the attendant horrors.

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  9. Nanny G says:

    Too often power usage is looked down on without regard for what it saves elsewhere…..
    We retired and moved into an all-electric home two years ago.
    We cook from scratch almost every meal and are homebodies.
    Our electric bill is slightly higher than our ”average” neighbors and the electric company is quick to tell us so, plus how to make cuts.
    What they forget is that our neighbors all leave home for 9 or 10 hours a day (apparently turning off almost all their TVs, computers and lights) and eat out.
    Still, factoring in the cost of power, it is far cheaper to make two carnitas tostada grandes at home than to buy even one at a restaurant!
    I used to love cooking with gas, but now I’m doing induction and convection….yikes!

    It sort of reminds me of how ”Earth Hour,” uses up more energy than it saves, but it makes “Greenies,” feel good.
    And buying a Prius is as false a green move as can be made.
    But, hey! It salves the consciences of the poor little greenies.

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  10. bofh says:

    Ultimately, progressives want you to either agree to live (using their definition of “live”) in a gummint-provided cubicle in a big nanny-city, or else go off and starve in the dark in a cave somewhere.

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  11. my66 says:

    Yet there are no politicians SCREAMING the truth about the Carbon Tax & Burial(the “trades” after the “cap” are being BURIED) Scam, some even willing to engage in absurd debates in the numbers game — which is based in propaganda & therefore is impervious to scientific reason.

    Earth has experienced a complex, never-to-be-quantified, evolving climate for roughly 4.5 BILLION years, of which fire has ravaged “Old Mother” for approximately 450 MILLION years — while official temperature records have been kept for a far-less-impressive 140 years. Any “scientist” making claims of warming or cooling has only that latter infinitesimal window with which he or she may manipulate data.

    Proof of prior “ice ages” & severe weather fluctuations that occurred long before the Industrial Revolution(for reasons that are far too complex to EVER be truly quantified) render said scientists as Marxist puppets whose motives lie in kickbacks from the carbon taxes that will enable them to produce more propaganda, err, “research.”

    Humans can create pollution & geographical havoc, but their effect on climate(the definition of which is “an average of weather over a given period of time”) has NO statistical effect in such a complex & primordial system.

    It’s those “given time periods” that Marxist propagandists have de-contextualized to frame their narrative of “man-made climate change,” which is not even possible: If the sun was blacked-out for 100 years — whether from massive volcanic activity or a simultaneous explosion of each & every nuclear device — that would STILL have NO effect on a constantly fluctuating “climate” that has ancient origins & NO reference point.

    In essence, the “Progressive” numbers game equals Climate Crap & they need to be told as much; unfortunately, the huge dollars in projected carbon taxes & subsequent trades & burials of this “air” are enticing for any political hack & the willing propagators who reap the benefits.

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    • Jeffrey says:

      Best quick summation I have read my66. “Pollution” is fine.. as long as you pay me for it.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      If you read their own words, (think tanks, Progressive white papers from the 70s & 80s)) you quicky realize that “Climate Change” was an invented meme to rally people to ideologically support Fabian causes. Many people have also investigated “Cap and Trade” and quickly discovered that it is set up to make a small group of insiders (including Al Gore AND Barack Obama) billionaires – with a “B”. I am not exactly sure why it is legal (we know it isn’t ethical) for Obama to be pushing a legislative concept that would make him as wealthy or wealthier than Soros without full disclosure.

      I’m too tired this morning to cite. Anyone who doubts what I say can google fu it themselves.

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  12. Les says:

    Texas has an open market system for electric companies. You get to pick your company and can switch companies whenever you want (depending on the plan you choose) without much hassle. I chose a “green” company that uses wind power when it can and my bill is about the same, or cheaper some months, than other choices. Ontario is crazy with their charges/taxes/funds/etc.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Is this “green” company getting tax subsidies? Did they purchase the equipment on the open market at full cost, fully funding themselves, or did they get a “tax subsidy” to buy the windmills? You can call it whatever you want – tax break, subsidy, incentive – but at the end of the day, what you’re doing is reaching into someone else’s pocket to pay for it all, simply so you can “feel” good and silently award yourself “virtue” points.

      spits

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      • Les says:

        Probably getting subsidies. They might all be getting subsidies, not sure how it works.

        Texas is the only state in which I have lived that lets you actually choose your company. I am used to paying whoever my address says I have to pay. I don’t usually “go for the green” as a rule. I’m pretty sure they are just exchanges and all get their energy from the same pot. There isn’t a wind company and a different one for petroleum energy, I think it’s a co-op.

        Texas is big on windmills. But you are still just as likely to see a pumpjack in someone’s yard as a big windmill farm.

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  13. Les says:

    Don’t let the left be credited with sustainable energy. They go on and on and force it down people’s throats and entwine it with their own ideologies, but there are some good ideas out there. We can’t let conservatives be tied to one way of thinking about energy or we will be dinosaurs pushing an outdated wagon. There isn’t one source of energy. We have to take a blended approach to stay current.

    The issue is how energy is funded. The funding is what makes people angry because you can’t be mad at the wind. It’s always about the money and forcing some people to pay for something that benefits all people. If the gov’t didn’t use shady practices and kickbacks and hidden agendas, energy wouldn’t be a left/right issue.

    tldr: It isn’t the energy source, it’s the money.

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  14. John Denney says:

    $10,000 electric bill?

    I’d be disconnecting the utility line and buying my own generator.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Yep. $10,000 buys a lot of diesel, even at ridiculous Ontario prices. (99c/Litre last time I checked). This will be part of the third order effects.

      My brother works for OPG (Ontario Power Generation) as an engineer. Prior to the creation of OPG he worked for Ontario Hydro. Ontario Hydro was split up and privatized, and he ended up at the “Generation” end of the breakup entitites. He has been blogging, speaking and warning about this for a decade. He and I are on very different ends of the political spectrum – he is very pro-Union for example – but he spent a great deal of effort trying to educate people about this issue before the Liberals were elected, but people voted for more freebies (sound familiar) over common sense.

      Now the people that DIDN’T vote for the freebies are the ones that are being stuck with the bill. (sound familiar?). However, the entrepeneurs tend to be savvy, so I am sure they will come up with (legal) creative solutions the socialists won’t like.

      I will continue to watch this story play out, because Ontario is about 5 – 6 years ahead of where the Obama proggies are trying to take us. It’s the exact same philosophy, rhetoric and playbook.

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  15. thesitrep says:

    Glad I live happily off-grid and have no utility bills except for a little propane for cooking and hot water.

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