The Mississippi Burning – The Self-Inflicted Investigative Challenges Of The Jessica Lane Chambers Murder…

By now most people are aware of our decision to stop analyzing and researching the Jessica Chambers murder. If not, well now you are.  That said, and because of the exhaustive previous research by all of you genuinely good truth-seekers, an explanation is warranted and deserved.

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My apologies in advance for any length of explanation – And prior to explaining, allow me to assert a belief that investigators probably know who did it.

The problem is proving it.

From day #1, when we became aware of this incident on December 7th,2014, we immediately noticed that not only did this story hold a series of various agenda items which might lead to a buried lede story (FTP and BLM protests);  but also the entire construct of the media reports themselves were indicating a very troubling beginning to what should normally be a serious murder investigation.

When you understand why, you understand the current dilemma.

On December 6th the crime scene itself, and all of the evidence therein, was horridly handled. Many speculated in the days and weeks that followed the Panola County Sheriff’s department might have done that intentionally. We can’t speak to why, indeed we don’t ever think anyone will admit why, but we can explain the outcome thereof.

Within an hour of the first responders arriving on the scene (8:13pm), a decision was made by someone (no-one will admit who – and no media has asked who) to remove the critical evidence, the vehicle Jessica was driving.

That vehicle was towed from the crime scene and showed up at M&M First Stop gas station at approximately 9:30pm.

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At 9:30pm, according to his own admissions, Ali Alsanai (aka: Ali Fadhel, Basem Alsanai) had unrestricted access to the burned vehicle and took pictures of it. Ali uploaded pictures to his Facebook page showing his followers  (see above and below).

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The vehicle was towed without police escort, left unattended, and transported without a chain of custody for it to be considered evidence.

After the tow truck driver stopped at the gas station, purchased cigarettes or a soda and allowed Ali access, he dropped it off in the Panola Sheriff outdoor impound lot.

emergency brakeAny evidentiary value held by the vehicle was lost as soon as it became compromised by a lack of security.

In essence, any value within it would be dismissed prior to a courtroom because of the sloppy handling. Any decent defense attorney could get it thrown out because there was no specific and protected chain of custody.

Anyone could have engaged the emergency brake, anyone could have opened the doors, anyone could have put the transmission in park etc.

Similarly the same can be said of the actual crime scene itself which was also left unprotected within hours of the event.

There were no access restrictions put on the crime scene, no-one securing it from compromise, and no effort made to protect it from the external elements of man, weather or nature.   No tarp was placed as ground cover, no physical security was in place, nothing. It was left completely unguarded.

Again, like the vehicle, this essentially removes any crime scene value from follow-up investigative inquiry. It didn’t matter if investigators returned sometime after sunrise for pictures or further review, because no-one secured the scene. It was stomped all over by first responders, media, and anyone who might be a curious onlooker.

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Three days after the incident the media were even reporting about visibly seeing investigators returning to the scene to “pick stuff up” and “place in paper bags”.

Sometime around Tuesday 12/9/14 the scene was secured with perimeter tape, but that was about the extent of the effort. Just like the vehicle disposition, by 12/9 any courtroom value was again lost.  Heck, we even captured pictures of vehicle parts left laying in the mud a week later.

So you have to approach this case from District Attorney John Champion’s position of prosecutorial value. When you take that approach you begin to realize how and why John Champion is the lead investigator.

You also realize why Champion drove to Panola on Sunday 12/7/14 for the first media brief.

DA John Champion is not stupid. He might be annoying to listen to in repetition, and he might be covering for the botched prior decision making, but he’s not completely incompetent as a DA.

Champion had to know by the time he was involved, if the goal was a prosecution of a felonious murder, he was already in a weak position regarding the evidence.

If you remove physical evidence from the vehicle and you remove physical evidence from the crime scene from prosecutorial value, what is he left with?

Hopeful of forensics (via DNA or similar) from the victim? Hopeful that cell phone “ping logs” might provide circumstantial evidence? Or, hopeful that someone would either a.) admit to it, or, b.) admit to specific first-hand knowledge of who did it.

Not much else.

Social media might provide some clues of where to focus attention, but social media is useless in court for Capital Crime rules of evidence. Even if anyone admitted on social media to murdering Jessica they would also have to admit it in person. The social media value -in a capital crime- is nothing without a person admitting, in person, they did what is claimed to have been done.

There’s almost no way to prove a person wrote something just because it was written in their name. Anyone can claim a hacked or non-secure social media account and non-authorship. So social media might be useful as a mapping tool, but not much else.

Again, thinking in terms of prosecutorial value, if you remove 90% of the physical evidence due to probable inadmissibility, and forensic evidence is scarce to non-existent, where does that leave the investigation?

Yep, essentially walking around asking people to admit they did it, or know who did. The proverbial “word on the street“, which is, not coincidentally, exactly what John Champion keeps talking about in every interview.

How does Champion or Darby put themselves in a better position to get an admission by a witness? Yep, a reward – currently at $43,000.

Repeating, they (Champion/Darby) probably have a good idea who did it – but proving that is another process entirely, and they are not going to initiate an arrest without a foundation to be able to prove it.

And in the Darby/Champion collective quest to stretch out the process, and simultaneously cover their butt, they’ve even lied about their process of collecting evidence with regard to the CCTV recordings at Ali’s Gas Station.

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There’s plenty of “botch blame” to go around.

As if a proverbial cherry on the botched cake, there is also a severely dysfunctional family dynamic.  Both Lisa Chambers/Daugherty (mom), and Ben Chambers (dad), have stated their unequivocal trust in the local investigators, that would be Sheriff Dennis Darby and self-appointed lead investigator, DA John Champion.

Obviously such trust would appear misplaced.  However, when you accept at face value what has already been outlined in the town of Courtland – it becomes, well, apropos.

Strongly RecommendPLEASE WATCH VIDEO AGAIN and pay attention at 06:35 as Darby speaks – this interview was recorded 12/11/14.

In addition, both Lisa Daugherty and Ben Chambers continue to try and position themselves in the best possible light; the key word is “themselves“.

The past three media interviews with Lisa Daugherty have focused intensely on this effort, and apparently she plans to continue tonight.

We will continue to follow the case, and we’ll post any new information or insight found as a result of the media waking up and potentially asking real questions, but in the interim the daily discussion threads will discontinue.

 

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961 Responses to The Mississippi Burning – The Self-Inflicted Investigative Challenges Of The Jessica Lane Chambers Murder…

  1. bob says:

    Borrowing a lyric from Jakob Dylan, the one sure take-away from this is:
    “Evil Is Alive And Well”

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    • Pam says:

      Always has been. Always will be. In history, it seems to wax and wane in its potency and influence and magnitude. There have been Dark Ages before. I never thought in my life that I would come to believe we are entering one now.

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      • georgia says:

        and then we got a community organizer for our feudal leader making sure we stay warm huddled over dung fires in the winter.

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Sad state of affairs for sure

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        • Pam says:

          Hey, and as insane as this sounds even to me, over Christmas my husband and I and his adult son were discussing the possible merits of buying land with a cave on it. I was almost having an out-of-body experience as part of me watched me (!) calmly discussing pros and cons.

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          • JohnP says:

            There’s a lot to be said for bomb shelters and old Nike missile bases.

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          • booger71 says:

            It depends on the cave.A dry cave is OK for shelter, if you have an adequate gate, but a cave that has both dry areas and a perennial stream has greater possibilities, but even a dry cave is not really “dry” as most cave have near 100% humidity.

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        • JohnP says:

          New EPA Regulations on dung fires announced, details at 11:00.

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          • joshua says:

            damn!

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            • JohnP says:

              You knew it was coming. Don’t play dumb. Yes, only wolverine dung is allowed for open burning under the new regulations. EPA officials will be collecting it on alternating Thursdays. Throwing it at them is not allowed.

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              • VegasGuy says:

                LOL…That brought back a memoy….

                Way back in my Militry days, a certain SGT (A “TOP”) would threaten new replacements with “Son, you are not going to make it home unless you learn & learn quick…..Seems you mght be more interested in is volunteering to stir sh$t pots while the rest of us go ’bout our business…So what’s it going to be son……? ” (1/2 cut 50 gal drums filled with excrement & soaked with kerosene, stirred & burned until gone)

                As squad leader, I used to give them a heads up & tell them “what” TOP “expected” as a response…..”When TOP asks you that, YOU ask him….TOP… which way would the wind be blowing…?”

                Damn if they didn’t stirring duty every time…..

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      • Lorra B. says:

        Sadly, it’s gotten pretty darn dark and it will probably be getting even darker. I’m an optimist but it’s hard not to see the handwriting on the wall. So, unless something monumental happens to aid in our security, well….. UGH!

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    • lou says:

      lets be optimistic….for one thing, if the car was totally burned, there is little evidence to be gained from it…..yes, it would be nice if it was secured and we can say for sure that the brake was set, the key in the ignition, seats reclined….

      so we don’t have the car except we know it was burned and someone MUST know at least what kind of accelerant was used……that can not be altered….

      what do we have?…..a dead girl….a rape kit?…maybe…..words said?…maybe…..phones calls from the cell phones?….maybe…..is there dna on HER cellphone or battery?…maybe….video of cars around the gas station or the motel or church or whatever structure there ?…maybe….witnesses?….probably….

      its not all lost….

      karma….what goes around comes around……I wouldn’t be a bit surprised that someone gets knocked off in a peculiar fashion in the next few weeks or months….

      in the meantime, I’d put $50 in for a pleading guilt inducing billboard….can’t be that expensive in that area…..only thru SD though….cause I trust SD…

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      • lou says:

        my better half and his organization put up 8 billboards in a larger metro area with higher costs and for a month it cost approx. $2500…..so what would one or two billboards cost?….well, just a thought…..it seems that our Sheriff Darby says that the county is a Christian county, his words not mine, and the whites and blacks work together…..can we elicit some much needed witness testimony in the name of God?

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      • JohnP says:

        Was Jessica wearing shoes, sandals or in bare feet? Why only the soles of her feet unburned? What about fingerprints on the phone battery? Cigarette butts around the car?

        Damn it, Lou! Every time I try to get out someone drags me back in..

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        • lou says:

          lol…..I know….I know….but I want to believe that justice will prevail……probably have to be satisfied with reruns of Cold Case and Dateline shows……….

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          • JohnP says:

            We live in an age when a single human hair, cigarette butt, flake of skin, or clump of mud has led to a conviction. I believe that there has to be some small shred of evidence. The bottle of accelerant, fingernail scrapings, pings from the murders phones, something.

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  2. jewelsc6 says:

    ‘We’ve talked to a lot of people and some of those people could end up being a suspect,’ District Attorney John Champion told USA Today on Wednesday. ‘But as of right now we have not questioned anybody who we believe to be a suspect.’
    He added: ‘I feel like it’s something we’re going to solve. It could be in the next five minutes, five months or five years. You just don’t know.’
    Peter Odom, an attorney who prosecuted some arson cases, told HLN’s ‘Nancy Grace’ that investigators will be assessing the physical appearance of suspects.
    ‘They’re looking for someone with singed eyebrows and maybe burned hands. Because the burner often gets burned,’ he said.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869821/Double-tragedy-Chambers-family-Older-brother-girl-burned-alive-died-car-crash-two-years-ago.html#ixzz3OusV1pcJ
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  3. sf49ers says:

    I believe that the reason for all the incompetence is that the Sherriff and DA are DIRTY as well as the people running the jail. The book she was going to write had the possibility of exposing not only the Gangs filth but the DIRTY cops and DA. In a Podunk town like that there is no way the cops did not know of the drug dealing at the gas station and who was dealing. ALI. Also if anyone is arrested for this do not think for a minute there mouth will not be running all the way to court of all the dirty cops, DA, jailors and everyone they know who is. The perfect reason for the cops and DA hoping this just goes away. If the GOVERNOR of this state does not stand up and get to the bottom of this by what ever means necessary he is as DIRTY as the COPS, DA and jailors. The fire chief interview with him rocking in that chair higher than a kite and the picture of him with something covering up his privates is a total joke. Pictures from the jail with inmates smoking, gang signs & drugs. I feel for all who loved this poor girl. It is a tragedy on so many levels. This is so dirty I can smell it from here. Florida. It is the time for the Governor or the ACLU to step in and get to the bottom of this starting with the cops, DA and jailors..

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  4. Talon says:

    Its a dam travesty that these animals can with impunity viciously murder someone and walk away Scott free. Our justice system has become so perversely corrupt, the concept of JUSTICE, is like “Freedom in a High tech police state” a mere shadow of what it once meant. The injustice will eventually be righted by a Holy & just God, until they meet their Eternal Judge tho how many more innocent will be victims by these ganster thugs?

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      Corruption at all levels..

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      • Kerri says:

        Sherriff Darby’s cousin charged with rape. Who also works for the Sherriff’s office.
        Who did Norman Hughes rape and when? He was formally charged 12/4. Does this mean the victim(s) would have to testify? Without this testimony no conviction?

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          I really messed up on my local authorities, I meant Champion the guy on the left in the video Sundance posted. For some reason I thought he was Darby. So sorry about that. I have been so busy focusing on the local criminals…

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Not sure the whole story, since it happened recently..Its very hard to keep the people in this town names straight as they are all related somehow with different names. It has been driving me nuts…

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          • jewelsc6 says:

            A Panola County Sheriff’s Department employee was indicted on one count of statutory rape and one count of fondling, WMC-TV reported.

            Norman Hughes was placed on leave when the allegations surfaced, Sheriff Dennis Darby said. Hughes is the sheriff’s cousin.

            The Mississippi Bureau of Investigation investigating the case.

            Hughes is listed as a member of the road crew in the joint county/state work program housing department on panolacountysheriff.com.

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        • MsSmallTown2 says:

          Kerri, I posted about this several days back and don’t think anyone saw any tie to this case. I dropped it because of who he is and knowing that if he’s involved, it would never go past speculation.

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          • Kerri says:

            By all mean please share your findings. Or are you saying you did not research the answers because you decided these questions are not relevant? Rape is relevant until facts rule it out.

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            • MsSmallTown2 says:

              I thought it was relevant, and would have like to have heard further discussion. I found a reference online as to who was involved but I knew even as I posted it, that was just word of mouth so probably shouldn’t even have repeated it. I have tried to go back and find my original post but can’t at this point so I think it may be a good point to leave it be.

              I would suggest for your own satisfaction that it might be worth a deeper look. There is very little information online and very little in the county paper but basically he walked into jail, bonded out and left.

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        • wanthetruth says:

          Kerri, I believe it was his granddaughter – I think she’s under 10 years old. I am now positive but I believe there have been articles on it you can Google. (That’s not – – not now) .

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  5. Starrdustt says:

    Participants in these CTH discussions may be a “Rag Tag” bunch of Treepers, but – my goodness – from my observations what an amazingly intelligent, diligent and determined group, working for all the right reasons to get to the bottom of this heinous crime.
    I remain hopeful that somehow Justice will ultimately come for Jessica Chambers, whom I’ve come to view from far away as a really good hearted little spitfire who had a very promising life ahead of her – snuffed out by unspeakable evil.
    Godspeed, Sundance and crew, in what I know will be your continuing efforts to help bring this to a just conclusion.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      QUOTE: “I remain hopeful that somehow Justice will ultimately come for Jessica Chambers, whom I’ve come to view from far away as a really good hearted little spitfire who had a very promising life ahead of her”

      This

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  6. justfactsplz says:

    Thank you Sundance for concluding by giving this article. I’m sure it meant a lot to all of the Treepers who worked so hard on this case. Your wisdom in the way you handle things is commendable.

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  7. sixxisgod74 says:

    My biggest hope is that her parents had nothing to do with this. If they didn’t, I hope they bring a lawsuit against the Panola County Sheriff’s Dept. for they way they completely destroyed any chance of properly processing a crime scene within the first hour of the attack. If this were my daughter, they would definitely have to answer as to why they couldn’t at least handle the task of roping the crime scene off and placing it under guard until authorities capable of handling the case arrive. Of course, if it were my daughter, I would be approaching every media outlet I could think of to get her story out and plead for justice. It wouldn’t be left up to people who never even knew her to demand justice.
    Thank you, Sundance, for hosting this thread and helping to find justice for Jessica. Please keep us posted if any new developments arise.
    Rest in Peace, Jessica. No one is giving up down here.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Speaking for myself and probably a lot of other mothers here, I too would be going on every network possible seeking justice for my daughter. I would be inconsolable.

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      • angie says:

        And selling tee shirts would not be on our list of priorities. When I mentioned the family selling t shirts, his jaw dropped. This morning when I told my husband about some of the twitter feed, he shook his head and sad, “This is so sad, that poor girl.”.

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      QUOTE: “Rest in Peace, Jessica. No one is giving up down here.”

      Not giving up hope here either. We WILL find justice for Jessica.

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  8. frangelica1 says:

    I hope the people of Panola county would petition to recall Sheriff Darby now rather then wait for November, but all the people in this county are either too scared or apathetic. If Jessica was your daughter or your sister, would you put up with the way this case was handled without making some real noise?

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  9. goodoldboy66 says:

    Great service done by SD, CTH and commenters. Hate to see the board take a hiatus but understand the rationale. Godspeed for genuine justice for Jessica. The underbelly of society is quite unsavory.

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  10. Kerri says:

    One of these four individuals has to be the investigator(s)/detective. Maybe I will email one of them as a concerned citizen and ask who made the decision remove the car from the crime scene? See if he responds.
    http://panolacountysheriff.com/page.php?id=10

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  11. Dalton says:

    One thing we all should learn from this is that Non black victims have no voice, no one, no group to give exposure to their cases the way black victims do. While its easy to blame the media for their partiality in what they broadcast how can we be mad when there is no one to put pressure on law enforcement and keep exposure on these types of cases? This we site does a great job with shining light on these issues but something we all need to think of moving forward

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    • francismuldoon says:

      White folk have no voice because we are a trusting lot…believing in the system and that justice will prevail….so we let the wheels of justice turn and await a good outcome. Inept law enforcement have a myriad of excuses why they fail to produce results, and we, in our gullible trusting minds meekly shake our heads and say “nice try.”

      Blacks on the other hand are very vocal when they believe an injustice has been done to one of theirs. They immediately take to the streets and express their outrage.

      They get results, whether they be the results they hope for or not.
      We get jack…because we trust in the system.

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    • Roy says:

      Your point is absolutely true. Affirmative crime for blacks. It’s unsettling when one thinks about all the heinous hate crimes committed against whites with little to no media coverage, no government intervention, no special group support, preferential treatment down the line. I read somewhere someone’s opinion that defending while white may yet be indefensible.

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    • Les says:

      I’m not ready to refer to myself as “non-Black” yet. I’m going to stick with “taxpayer.”

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      QUOTE: “One thing we all should learn from this is that Non black victims have no voice, no one, no group to give exposure to their cases the way black victims do.”

      Very well said. No one stands up for white victims like Jessica.

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  12. cali says:

    Sundance has my appreciation and gratitude in giving Jessica the attention she so rightly deserved.
    The one thing I trust is The Bible’s promise that “everything in the dark will come to light!”
    Since we expected swift justice in Jessica’s brutal murder we also have to be patient.
    It may take longer than we anticipated but I’m sure justice will be served!
    God promises us that as He says “Vengeance is mine – I will repay!”

    Nobody can change or escape His Judgment!

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    • YankeeInMS says:

      This is exactly what keeps coming to mind when I pray! Nothing will stay in the dark. Someone/Someone’s are going to be miserable until the truth comes out.

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  13. francismuldoon says:

    Did they ever find Jessica’s purse?
    I can’t tell what, if anything she was carrying in the video at the store, but I have yet to meet a woman who does not have some sort of pocketbook/purse with her at all times. The reason I ask….is that if there was no trace of anything in the car that would have been in a pocketbook or purse, she may have been forced against her will into the car. I know…its a longshot.
    Maybe close friends would know what she typically carried.

    If there was a tangible metal item of some sort in her purse and it is not found in her car…it may have been left behind at the crime scene, ultimately thrown out with the perps garbage.

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    • joshua says:

      SD commented that JC had her purse opened for a long time in the pay counter at the M & M, suggesting she got a preloaded blunt at the time…so clearly she HAD a purse at the time.You would think something of a purse, even if burned in the car, would leave a metal zipper, or something of contents behind.

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    • jewelsc6 says:

      I heard nothing about them ever finding her purse..

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      • carterzest says:

        only her phone which was retrieved from the scene several days later by someone in an official vehicle who pulled directly to the spot and retrieved something from the opposing ditch, then drove down a bit further, and retrieved something else for the same ditch, then drove away…..

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        • jewelsc6 says:

          Unbelievable, several days later…Crime scene unprotected !

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          • VegasGuy says:

            I have often wondered if her earring were still with her. You know, the only real personal item that was ever seen in any of her pictures. I’ll bet she cherished those.

            Don’t know if they had any value or were just costume type, but they were on her in almost every picture. Would cold hearted perps have taken them if they held any value, either monitary or sentimential to her or whoever gave them to her?

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            • jewelsc6 says:

              The authorities did not give us hardly any information to go on and immediately came out and said they did not have an arrest and did not expect one in the near future, or something to that effect. I have never heard anyone say that before..

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        • alkikila says:

          A witness may have told them where to look. I don’t think it is all that unusual for LE to re visit a crime scene.

          e

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        • francismuldoon says:

          So continuing my thought…
          If Jessica was at someone’s home and she was forcibly put into her car. The perps probably forgot her purse back at the house. After the deed was done, someone may have realized it and simply put it in the trash. The purse could be sitting in the landfill mixed in with the perps family trash. It wouldn’t take much to figure out who it was based on their trash.

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        • waltherppk says:

          Was she texting while driving? Did phone records reveal this happened?

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  14. zephyrbreeze says:

    Two nights ago I watched a Frontline (PBS) program, I found on Netflix “Death in St. Augustine.”

    Watching it gave me a fresh appreciation for how an investigation can go wrong from the first moment the sheriffs respond. In this case a woman was leaving her boyfriend, who happened to be a deputy sheriff, that very night. She was packed, and notified her family to expect her.

    Neighbors heard calls for help, and 2 gun shots. As soon as the sheriffs started showing up, they were making statements to their deputy co-worker like: “We’re here for you, buddy.” They began calling it a suicide among themselves within minutes of their arrival. The investigation went downhill from there. The personality of the Sheriff of the County plays an overblown role in the process.

    Many similarities to the evidentiary screw-ups in Panola Co.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-in-st-augustine/

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    • Roy says:

      “The personality of the Sheriff of the County plays an overblown role in the process.”

      This is so true. While we are not happy where we currently reside (demographics now are barely over 50% white), the sheriff is good. Other counties have real problems, however I believe this sort of coverup is more probable (not certain) no matter what county in what state.

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  15. dsp says:

    Looks like evil won one this time.

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  16. KeithS says:

    with all due respect giving up is weak sauce. I’d rather load up a couple dozen of these fellas and go beat the truth out of one of them than give up. this just makes me feel dirty. as soon as we give up the “facts” will go sideways on this one with all the people posting crap everywhere intentionally clouding the details. I just dont like it. it seems like exactly what they want.

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    • ytz4mee says:

      Then you are free to set up and moderate your own blog to continue the investigation/discussion. Several spin off blogs were established during the Zimmerman trial. All the key/core evidence that has been uncovered has been forwarded to the property authorities. No one here is any position to compel the authorities arrest and charge. For the last several days, the Jessica threads have devolved into nothing more but limitless wheel spinning and regurgitation of already known facts and rehashing of theories that have had more than ample time to be dissected and discussed. It has created a huge workload for the moderators. The sheer volume of comments slows down the loading of our site. The refusal of many to honor our multiple requests keep their comments short and targeted means that the threads can not be read by many who use alternative means to read here.

      Everything reasonable to investigate and shine a spotlight on the events that happened that night has been done. Numerous tipsters have supplied excellent information which has been provided to the authorities. Gossip about what a bunch of lowlife losers chat about on Facebook doesn’t advance anything.

      Anyone who posts anything about the Jessica Chambers case on the Open Threads going forward from tomorrow will be banned – not just moderated.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        I understand the need to bring this discussion to a close, but two areas I wished we had discussed further.

        One is why did CRS involve itself in this case. Who contacted them and why. At first, I thought there was another Federal investigation in the area that caused this case to come their radar. However, that doesn’t quite fit. Also, there have seen numerous other cases of black on white crime make the news lately and no reports of CRS responding to these instances.

        I now suspect the reason for CRS involvement maybe for another reason. The reason maybe the county, the sheriff’s department and/or the chief law enforcement officer involved in this case. This goes to the second area not fully researched. Let me cover a few items first.

        Candidate Darby ran against and defeated the previous sheriff who was black.

        Sheriff Darby banned then Deputy Burdette, who is black, from contacting the previous sheriff or his secretary, even though they were friends outside the office.

        According to then Deputy Burdette, he left the PCSD because of Sheriff Darby’s demands and went to Coma where he became the police chief.

        According to the lawsuit filed by no Chief Burdette, Sheriff Darby warned the Como mayor not to hire Burdette as police chief, or the mayor would risk the sheriff’s department not providing any support to the city of Como. (Como is predominately black)

        Sheriff Darby tried to take over an investigation into a shooting that occurred in Como and as a result Chief Burdette and Assistant Chief Faye Pettis were assaulted and Burdette was handcuffed. (The lack of professionalism here is stunning)

        Some commenters here posted info about blacks in Panola county complaining that blacks are being charged for crimes that were committed by whites. (Facebook or twitter?)

        Sheriff Darby made an odd statement during his press conference about the white ones and the black ones. After this press conference, Sheriff Darby has maintained a VERY low profile. I believe Sundance informed us CRS arrived on the scene after the interview, though I maybe wrong on the timeframe.

        Because of the aforementioned incidents and allegations, did someone have concerns that blacks suspects might be charged with this crime, whether there was evidence or not, and report it to the DOJ and hence the arrival of CRS.

        Also, I doubt Sheriff Darby woke up on December 6th and decided to botch a crime scene. I believe we are all on the same page on how the crime scene was not secured and processed properly. As well, as the failure to maintain the chain of custody concerning Jessica’s car.

        My question is this the first time it occurred. Is this the standard operating procedure for the PCSD? If is, how many other crimes scenes may have been botched? How were the evidence procedures described during trials? What effect does it have on criminal justice system in that judicial circuit. If this is SOP for the PCSD, what actions has DA Champion taken relative to this problem, other than becoming co-lead investigator?

        Perhaps before this thread is closed we can explore these issues. If not, it now up to the residents of Panola County to try and find answers to the questions I have posed.

        I would like to thank Sundance and the moderators for all they have done in this search for truth.

        Take Care and God Bless

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        • ytz4mee says:

          My understanding that several others have provided directions to other sites that will continue on the discussion.
          I think, had the discussion remained as tightly focused as your lines of query, it wouldn’t have run off the rails.

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        • sundance says:

          It’s quite possible the Sheriff Darby Panola County LEO were on the Federal radar since the Butt’s case.

          http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/17/us/mississippi-hit-and-run/index.html

          The sheriff’s investigators, in interview transcripts obtained by CNN, don’t ask the teens many questions about the motive for running over Johnny Butts.

          […] Champion said the investigation has exhaustively looked at the background of Darby (the accused suspect not the Sheriff) and found no racism. Champion says he called in the FBI, which he says agreed race was not a factor.

          But the FBI suggested to CNN it isn’t so sure. A spokesperson said: “The FBI absolutely considers this investigation to be still open.”

          […] And there is still something else — a disturbing incident that occurred not long after Johnny Lee Butts was killed and just around the corner: Four young African-American boys say they were walking on the shoulder of Smart Road when two white men in a white Jeep aimed straight for them, scaring them into the ditch. The boys say the men were laughing when they drove off the road, racing toward the boys, forcing them to jump way back.

          Adult neighbors told CNN they watched the whole thing from their porch. The families told CNN they called the Sheriff’s Office, and an officer came out and interviewed the boys and some of the adults.

          CNN asked the Sheriff’s Office for a copy of the incident report on what happened to these boys. Surprisingly, after repeatedly declining to be interviewed about the Butts case, Sheriff Dennis Darby — no apparent relation to Whit Darby — called CNN back about the report the families gave to the sheriff’s deputy.

          Sheriff Darby told CNN on the phone they had looked into the incident with the boys on the road and found nothing. “There’s nothing to this report,” he said, “it’s all hearsay,” and “he-said she-said.” Sheriff Darby told CNN he would not give a copy of the report to the network. Then the sheriff warned CNN not to “stir up trouble in my county.” He warned if the network pursued the story, “I’ll be coming after you.”

          No doubt race plays a key role in how Darby relates to the community: “black ones and white ones” [makes you want to ask “ones what”?]. As a general disposition Chief Darby comes across as being everything Darren Wilson was wrongly accused of; yet we don’t see anyone calling him out. Why? Fear, maybe(?)

          I’ve always had the sense that Champion was essentially protecting Darby from himself.

          Hence that’s why Champion swooped in early on Sunday 12/7/14 and essentially took over. Perhaps Champion just inherently knew Darby viewed his policing authority through the mirrored glasses of race.

          No-one will admit it, but we all can generally surmise that no-one would have moved that vehicle without Darby’s direction or approval.

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          • lou says:

            interesting take on it….Darby and his “Christian” town…..ultimately, I think he plays favorites with his policing and I think it swings for both races…..

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          • oldiadguy says:

            “I’ve always had the sense that Champion was essentially protecting Darby from himself.”

            Champion jumped in to back Darby in the Burdette incident as well. I wonder if they have the same “backers?”

            Again, Thanks!!

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          • jakeandcrew says:

            Sundance, I think Sheriff Darby needs to be investigated! I’ve read the CNN article, plus I found a few other articles about the Butt’s case, and now I’m reading the lawsuit filed against him by Chief Burdette of the Cole Police Department. There are many red flags. I don’t think Jessica’s case will ever be solved with Sheriff Darby in control of any part of it. You’re absolutely right – no wonder Champion does not want Darby in front of the media!

            Sheriff Darby doesn’t want any sunlight on how he controls “his county” – but maybe that’s just exactly what is needed.

            I’ll write down the specifics later today, when I have a chance, if this thread is still open to new posts. I just wanted to say something about Sheriff Darby now, in case I can’t later.

            “We don’t have a gang problem…”
            “We don’t have a race problem…”

            Refusing to acknowledge it and deal with it doesn’t make it go away. It just gets worse.

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            • oldiadguy says:

              “Sundance, I think Sheriff Darby needs to be investigated!” I completely agree. I started to do a virtual IA investigation on Sheriff Darby, my above post was part of it. Include the Butt’s case Sundance added and how the attempt to hit the four blacks kids was handled, paints a very disturbing picture.

              Look at the fight between Sheriff Darby and Chief Burdette, the fight in the diner involving Darby (look at the wonderful press he received, his daughter was there), the fight involving one of Darby’s deputies and another leo (this deputy was involved in the Burdette incident) and his threats against CNN. With these incidents in mind, consider Charlotte Wilkerson’s mug shot from 12/7/2014.

              https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/charlotte-wilkerson-2.png?w=873&h=900

              Read Sundance’s comments about CW’s black eye and fat lip. Makes you wonder.

              Yes, Sheriff Darby and his department has many issues worthy of examination. The residents of Panola County have a difficult task ahead of them.

              Take Care

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          • jakeandcrew says:

            http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/19115655/hit-and-run-a-hate-crime

            This report was written just a few days after the hit and run incident where Johnny Butts was killed. They interviewed Sheriff Darby over the phone:

            “He says they’ve ruled out any possibility this could be a hate crime. He says Johnny Butts skin was covered up early that morning. He says Butts was wearing a long sleeve jacket and a hat. All three teenagers also said they couldn’t see Butts’ skin color. But Johnny Butts family says you wouldn’t wear long sleeves in this heat.”

            The CNN article says the investigators never asked questions about motive, or any racial animosity. Maybe they couldn’t find any racial connection because they purposely didn’t look for it. And Darby is quick to rule it out in this interview.

            Darby’s version of what Butts was wearing totally contradicts the neighbor’s testimony in the CNN article. His neighbor said he was wearing a blue t-shirt, which makes a lot more sense than a jacket and hat – this was a 4-mile walk, in July, in Mississippi!

            Matthew “Whit” Darby is the name of the driver of the vehicle that killed Mr. Butts. What a coincidence! But, no worries, the article states:

            “According to reports, Sheriff Darby is no relation to the accused.”

            “According to reports…” I wonder if anyone actually checked.

            (The CNN article says, “Sheriff Dennis Darby — no apparent relation to Whit Darby.” I don’t think CNN checked this out, either.)

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            • ShepherdDawg says:

              The Jessica Chambers case is the first case I have ever heard of where a DA has appointed himself “lead investigator” of a crime.

              Maybe I am just uninformed, but this seems highly irregular, almost as if the DA is usurping for himself a role that he isn’t supposed to fill.

              The same person investigating a crime and charging and prosecuting the suspects? It doesn’t make sense.

              It seems like a conflict of interest, sort of like a judge also being the warden of a jail or something like that.

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          • jakeandcrew says:

            This is how the case was “resolved” –

            http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/22175447/guilty-plea-in-panola-county-hit-and-run

            “BATESVILLE, Miss. (FOX13) –
            Matthew Whitten Darby, 18, entered a guilty plea to a lesser charge of manslaughter by culpable negligence in the July 2012 hit-and-run death of Johnnie Butts, attorney Anthony Farese said.

            Darby had been charged with first-degree murder in the fatal hit and run death of the 61-year-old.

            According to Farese, Darby had met with the son of Mr. Butts along with other members of the Butts family last week. He offered his apologies and said he had fallen asleep at the wheel of the vehicle that hit Mr. Butts.

            Farese said without the “Christian benevolence of the Butts family” the plea deal would not have been approved by prosecutors.

            Darby will be sentenced to 20 years for manslaughter, and seven years for burglary of a nearby church. Both sentences will run consecutively.

            Darby had been facing life in prison if convicted of murder.”

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          • frangelica1 says:

            I also reviewed the video closely for a second time and wanted to say that I found Darby also to be very racist with the way he said in the video, “all the people are coming forward to help – white and black”. You don’t need to point out and separate people by color in your statement like that if you are truly colorblind. He was trying too hard to persuade listeners that he was not racist and in my mind he showed himself to be very racist.

            Also, all he talked about after this was how great his sheriff’s office is and how everyone in his department are the best, the county was the best, etc. etc. Seemed to think very highly of himself and trying to build up his departments reputation.

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    • deborah says:

      waterboarding, or the rack? what suits your fancy…are maybe Ali Alasanai’s buddies can give you some ideas about extracting truth and justice. try to calm yourself. we all want instant gratification and justice. doesn’t always go exactly our way. Christmas is a long way off. but I understand your frustrations.

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  17. Pam says:

    I’m out of here, folks. We have now come to the point, once again, of arguing, anger and even suggestions of pursuing violent retribution. The pool is too tainted, for me.

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    • sundance says:

      Pam, don’t let antagonists and provocateurs get you down. There are more good people than bad; there are more who understand good vs. evil, than not.

      This is a good conversation amid decent people. Sometimes we encounter nasty visitors here, just like we do in life. Better just to ignore them and move the conversation forward.

      Wolverines ! 😉

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    • Josh says:

      Pam! Grab my hand and don’t let go – we will get through this, my friend! You have so much to offer. You (and others) inspire me greatly. Illegitimi non carborundum!

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      • Josh says:

        Okay that may have come across a little odd. What I mean is what sundance said 🙂

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      • cajunkelly says:

        Oh dear you just posted my DH’s life long creed, given to him by his grandfather. It’s printed out and posted above his computer monitor here as well as at work.

        Illegitimi non corborundum, indeed!

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        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          I never took Latin, but now wish I had. When I first looked at that phrase I wondered if it had something to do with “fake diamonds”. LOL I like the correct translation much more!

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      • Pam says:

        I took Latin but it was a long time ago. They didn’t teach me that phrase in school! LOL
        I like it!!

        I wasn’t leaving the Treehouse. I just meant this thread. But thanks for all the kind responses.

        I try to watch my tongue, because my nature and inherent traits, result not in head-on-head combat, but in the ability to be pretty vicious with appropriate choice of words. I have a temper, which may be slow to reach boiling-point, but when it does, I have sliced people to bits with my mouth. It’s not pretty and I am not proud of it.

        Plus, it’s winter and the cold really messes with my illnesses, so I am grumpy to start with. In this case, I saw myself coming to the boiling point here. I wanted to slice on someone, really several someones.

        So…..

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Same here.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I will hate to see you go, Pam. You have added a LOT to the conversation and, I suspect, can bring much to the table on other topics, as well. Don’t let someone who is “having a bad day” ruin yours, too.

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  18. KeithS says:

    save the condescension please. do you REALLY believe you need to inform me of what I am free to do? get over yourself. huge workload? that wreaks of laziness. that good old democratic ideal that you all love to bemoan. now you all get to go back to laying around whining about politics and not really making a difference about anything. your attitude disgusts me. you wont have to worry about banning me, I wont be back here. this site is as fake as a RINO.

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    • stella says:

      Ahhhh! Are your wittle feelers hurt? So sad for you.

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      • Old Redneck says:

        Some people never learn that when you are an invited guest in another’s home you need to follow their rules. You don’t have to necessarily agree with your host, however you don’t kick your host in the knee either, and then whine because they tell you to either follow the simple rules of the house or hit the door.

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        • georgia says:

          I think the FB dialog from the denisons of Courtland maybe were about as courteous and non-narcissistic…someone said…when you have a need to hammer, lots of stuff looks just like a nail…

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      • joesbabygirl says:

        Stella, I love you. lol I love the treehouse. It has just been a little “off tilt” the past couple of days. Hopefully the trolls and whiners will leave for good since the threads are going to be off limits for Jessica.

        It’s time to let all the mods rest, they need a vacation, warm weather, and drinks with little umbrellas, and let Sundance to do what he does best. Put it ALL TOGETHER.

        So thankful for all the treepers, and dedication to finding justice for all.

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    • Sharon says:

      get over yourself KeithS and stop projecting.

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    • dsp says:

      This site did more than anyone else. Put the blame where it belongs, local authorities, the national media and the Feds. Also, Sundance left open the possibility of reopening discussion if new info becomes available.

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    • joshua says:

      bet you feel entitled to Free Internet, Free highways, Free police protection, and Free service at a restaurant without ordering food. KeithS, ole buddy, the administration and this site do not charge you to participate, now go find a free newspaper to read and comment in, and I will guarantee you will get nothing but liberal news, and a whole bunch of adv. spam back on your computer for your efforts. But, then, live and let live….DLTDHYITBOTWO as I am always told when I have a need to stomp my foot and protest what I got for breakfast.

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    • reconcharlie76 says:

      Dude don’t go away just go the f away
      No reason to sit here and biotch yourself, hypocrite

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    • waltherppk says:

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    • Les says:

      Ragequit!

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  19. Hot Toddy says:

    Sundance and treepers, I commend your hard work and fine minds. I happened on this site when looking for updates on Jessica. I feel like the memory of this girl (who looks so much like my babysitter) has taken a little piece of my heart. I know it’s not much, but I’m determined to email the governor’s office every week just so they know we’ve not forgotten. It pains me to think Jessica came so close to breaking free of whatever strongholds were there. She’s got God’s perfect healing now. I pray that her family gets a little gumption and doesn’t let this rest. I pray that those who know what happened would be so sick in their spirits that they have to talk to authorities. My mind keeps going back to one of Sundance’s speculations: what did Jess and Lisa talk about in their 20 minute cell conversation? Anyway, all the best to all of you!

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  20. dsp says:

    An avalanche of national media attention from the start might have made a difference. One does not have to conjecture why it never came.

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  21. Old Redneck says:

    One place where I think we failed to really look was at the possible connections that Darby and Champion had with the gangs. Am I the only one that found it odd that Champion seemed to put a rag in Darby’s mouth after the first few days? It would seem that according to the constitutional law that provides that the sheriff is the chief law enforcement officer in the county that the prosecutor was over stepping his authority in this case. My first question would simply be why did Darby relinquish his case to what many people would and could consider someone who was operating outside of the office that he was elected to. However that will not happen at this time, perhaps someone at some time will take up that quest.

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    • jakeandcrew says:

      Yes, it bothered me, too.

      Where did Darby go?

      The question kept coming to mind every time there was an interview or report. It was always just the DA. After that joint press conference, Darby just seemed to disappear.

      Strange.

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      • joshua says:

        maybe Darby was too much Jesus and not enough We are checking out everything per Champion. footus in mouthus and no teleprompter speech capacity.

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    • LBH says:

      Darby seems to be a guy who doesn’t play well with others in the sandbox. He likes to have control. I’m guessing Champion being the spokesperson wasn’t Darby’s idea. Maybe the Feds thought Champion was the better (more even keeled) representative?

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        Yeah, Darby seems like the type who can’t cooperate well (or at all) with others.

        It’s possible that Champion blamed him for the botched crime scene and basically said “You moron, you messed up the prosecution of the perps with your sloppy crime scene handling. Shut up and stay out of site and let me handle this.”

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  22. sundance says:

    Also something reaffirmed in the video of 12/11/14, that I missed until watching it again this morning, was the role of the U.S. Marshals.

    In the early part of the video (first 6 minutes) John Champion mentions the USMS and their specific role relating to “cell phone tracking”. We had previously discussed how recent reports had revealed the USMS has the most technologically up to date agency regarding phone tracking systems, and it appears our discussion toward that end was correct.

    At least that’s what Champion states the USMS role encompassed early in the investigation prior to 12/11/14.

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    • JohnP says:

      So it’s entirely possible that they can place the killers at Jessica’s car at the exact time the battery was removed from her phone if any carried a cell phone in their pocket and didn’t have it turned off.

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      • sundance says:

        Not quite. Ping Tower Logs and Cell phone tracking only means they can place a phone in a general area within a given amount of time.

        Cell phone tracking does not track people, it tracks a device. You still have to prove the person was there along with the device.

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        • lovelyd24 says:

          If any of them had smartphones their phone can be tracked by address and date. My phone keeps a history of every address I have been at, I wasn’t aware that it does it but someone showed me how to get to my history. It is quite creepy.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Too bad they didn’t have GPS on all of the phones. After my husband’s near death illness his daughter had it put on his cellphone. Now he can be tracked. It’s a good thing to do with a child’s phone too.

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        • waltherppk says:

          They use a pretty accurate transponder delay ranging even if a phone is not GPS enabled, and it is fairly accurate, and for GPS it is extremely accurate even for a one tower contact.

          Did anybody ever provide the VIN for the 2005 Kia Rio so the transmission type could be verified, or is there an alternate reliable information source for the information it was an automatic and not a 5 speed manual?

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          • alkikila says:

            I’ve been looking at different interiors (console, column shift etc) as well as parking brake spring and thinking about what effect heat might have on it. (causing the brake foot peddle to drop). A lot of parts on the transmission won’t hold up to heat as well. IMO

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            • waltherppk says:

              It is a center console stick selector for either the 5 speed manual or the automatic I think by looking at replacement parts for the shifter handle it may be possible to confirm what is there, but haven’t gone there yet. It won’t hurt to take a look and see what is likely there, but my suspicion is it is a 5 speed manual so I have been almost afraid to check since the assertion has been made the car was in park. I tend to trust what is there unlesss I have some reason to question it, but unfortunately I do have such reason just on first glance. So here I go out on a limb again. But hey we are in a tree house ….riiiight? 🙂

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            • waltherppk says:

              Here is what the 5 speed looks like and I haven’t guessed in what gear position. But I have a bunch of different views from which can be developed the approximate angles for the forward to rear detent range of positions. A bit more work is needed to sort this out.

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    • True Colors says:

      Well Sundance, based on what you just said, the question needs to be asked……. “exactly who’s phone(s) are being tracked”?

      Jessica is dead so there is obviously no need to track her phone.

      So who else would they be tracking? Suspects?

      There are two ways to track a cell phone.

      1) putting a bug in the phone. This does involve government technology.

      2) standard cell phone company records. This has nothing to do with government technology. Cell providers do keep detailed accounts of which cell phone towers that your phone connects to. For most purposes, this is plenty accurate enough — although it is not as precise as what Uncle Sam has. The phone companies will turn their information over to law enforcement based on a simple court order from a judge.

      There would not necessarily be any need to get the feds involved for cell phone tracking UNLESS there is some sort of extenuating circumstances — such as this situation being tied into some sort of larger federal investigation.

      TC

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      • LBH says:

        True Colors, I am beyond intrigued by your post. Does putting a bug in a phone in this day and age remain a physical act or can it be done electronically/digitally?

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        • reconcharlie76 says:

          oh only the NSA is big news lately, LOL

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        • True Colors says:

          LBH….. for smart phones, it can be done electronically by installing apps. However, the information available from doing it this way is really not any better or different from what the cell phone companies collect on a regular basis.

          Since you asked, tracking apps of this nature are typically used by private individuals who want to spy on their own family or friends.

          The high level of technical expertise of the federal government is absolutely irrelevant in terms of them tracking cell phone usage from the past. So for example, on the day that Jessica was killed, the feds cannot magically go back in time and start using their expertise to track people. For the past, they will strictly go off of what the cell phone companies provide to them.

          So again, I ask, if the feds came to town to help with cell phone tracking……. that can only mean that they were planning on tracking people’s cell phones into the future.

          They tell us that they have no suspects, but yet, they are tracking people’s cell phones. Why in the world would they track anyone who is not considered a suspect??

          TC

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I think the key phrase here is that it is what Champion states the USMC role was. It might have been to divert attention away from the fact they were already in town doing something else. While there they very well may have helped with their phone expertise which is the best around.

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    • closerlook41 says:

      Sundance, can they requisition cell phone records from any number of persons of interest? Or, do they have to get a warrant and the probable cause, etc etc?

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    • The USMS wouldn’t be needed for tracking. Tower ping logs of three or more (triangulation) local towers would give the location of each cell phone in range. There are 8 towers, I believe, in the area.

      Law enforcement often request tower ping logs for investigations. They don’t require the capabilities of the USMS or FBI to translate the information. What the USMS does have, that others, especially local authorities, don’t have is a state of the art surveillance system. If they were wanting to listen to the local chatter of certain people in the area, the USMS would be in the best position to help with that.

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  23. Sean Williams says:

    Now the Sandy Rudd Facebook page is down..Pressure from local police..Mista under arrest with Wilkerson? People in that town KNOW what happened here..

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  24. angie says:

    Did we discuss how it was that Keith in the snip above knew at 10:46 that “They didn’t shoot her”. If we did, I apologize.

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    • 2+2 says:

      or how nunu ducked off suggs knew she got out of the car? Ali didnt mention that at all. Maybe he texted or FB messaged it? But that would still be info only the perp or first responder would know.

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  25. carterzest says:

    Sad, but relieved, to see the daily thread(s) end. It has been had to keep up and I have often found myself falling WAY behind which is hard to do as I have a lot of time to read at work, and I make a lot of time to read at home. I feel this is the correct decision at this time.

    Thanks SD and all the Admin for keeping the lights on for us.

    One can continue to post on older threads and hit the “Notify me of new comments via email.” to see updates, one can continue to post on twitter. The trail is cold, that does not mean that we no longer care to investigate further.

    Are there still plans for a few billboards?

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    • stella says:

      That plan stinks, carterzest. I think comments have been turned off on the old threads, anyway. As for billboards (I think you mean bulletin boards), there have been a couple of requests for them, but no plans on our side as far as I know.

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      • carterzest says:

        😳 Thanks Stella.

        I know for sure that, I, will not be posting JC stuff on the “Daily Open Thread”, I was just trying to keep folks positive on ways to advise if any new 😀 info comes up. I would hate to see the site email be inundated again.

        In my experience, I have been able to post on threads several days old….but, there must be a point where comments are turned off. Now I know 😀

        There are plenty of other daily threads to interact on, and as was stated above, CTH is often days ahead on reporting on things, which is why this is my daily go to site.

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  26. joshua says:

    Thanks to everyone on the forum for the interaction, wisdom, theories, research, and controversy we have shared this month over this abomination of a death for a young woman. I have seen and read things I never in my life expected nor wanted to experience in my country, nor my adult life. As we leave this thread, and say goodbye for now, I am moved to pick up and go to the cemetery to visit the graves of my mother and father, my grandmother and grandfather, and thank them for what upbringing and values they placed upon me growing up, what expectations were driven home by my church members and my neighbors, and my scout troop, what honor code I pledged in College, and the absolute understanding of manners, compassion, respect, proper language and love of others that defined who I am and what I was formulated by these forces in my life to pass on to my children, and hopefully they too will pass on to theirs. Our nation is suffering. Our youth are very confused, many lost, and our adults are without solutions and our country seems leaderless and driven by grossly misguided values and agendas. I believe our Father has the only real solutions, and if asked and listened to, and his voice taken to action by the remaining caring adults of like mind, we can surely turn this ship around, no matter how much ocean we have to use up making the curve. Thank you for allowing me to be a small part of each of your lives and world on this forum . Bless all.
    Joshua from Texas

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  27. firefly says:

    Will you please consider a thread on Jessica`s Birthday? Maybe a Candle Light Vigil?

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  28. bullnuke says:

    Thanks for putting this thread down, SD. It needed to be done. People tend to forget how hard it is for the moderators to keep up with such a high volume of posts. With no new evidence, it got silly at times.
    Remember to keep it pithy.

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  29. tdtweety says:

    Am thinking the good Lord Himself brought me here. I don’t write much, but have been honored to read here daily for a little over a month. Perhaps there are no answers today for Jessica but would like you to know you and she together have changed the course of my free time. I will resume working with children inside our community to offer them alternatives to poor life choices, which seem to be running amuck here in America.

    My Mom used to say, “If you can keep your corner of this world straight, you will have done a good job.” It sounded too simple but in reality, it’s quite demanding and if were true of every breathing person, this world would be a better place.

    Thank you so very much for allowing me to come here to read, to pray and understand it’s time to help those who are having a rough time keeping their corner straight. My respect to Sundance, the Moderators and contributing investigators who devoted so much of their time to Jessica. Please keep the faith and know you have caused change in one being to reconnect and assist those in need.

    Am going back to quietly reading and hitting my like button. Blessings to all.

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    • Eskie Mom says:

      I knew someone, years ago when I first got a computer, who had exactly that philosophy. If only we all took it to heart & acted on it, I don’t think we’d be nearly as far down the drain as we are. It can be hard work though. You have to take breaks, periodically.
      God Bless, Tweety.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      tdtweety, blessings to you too for your contribution to society. Don’t forget we have a prayer request thread and a Chapel Door is open thread here at CTH. I have found Treepers to be great prayer warriors.

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    • ^^^^^^^^ This!
      Thank you for welcoming me into your home. I will miss the fellowship and passion we’ve all shared in our quest to see Justice for Jessica. God Bless you all and I’ll keep the lights on for all of you here in FL.

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    • reconcharlie76 says:

      Blessings right back to you, and MOM was right

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  30. Tempest says:

    “Within an hour of the first responders arriving on the scene (8:13pm), a decision was made by someone (no-one will admit who – and no media has asked who) to remove the critical evidence, the vehicle Jessica was driving.”

    Cole Haley was the person left in charge of the crime scene in the immediate moments after Jessica was found on fire.

    Cole Haley was the one who also “immediately recognized” who it was – despite the widespread claims that Jessica was “unrecognizable”.

    Cole Haley was the one who claimed that Jessica had whispered her killers name to her whilst at the scene of the car fire. (alibi?)

    Throughout this investigation, there have been multiple contradictions in the story as reported by Cole Haley on what took place that evening.

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  32. jewelsc6 says:

    This whole story has opened my eyes to whats going on in this area and probably many other areas. I am shocked and saddened by this..

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  33. Byrd says:

    I’m very sad to see SD leave, I just keep hoping that someone in this group will say something that will blow this case wide open. I know there are some outlandish theories discussed here but I also know that there have been some that are probably pretty dang close to what happened. I did notice something on the fb screen shot that SD posted (Ali’s pic of the car) where someone ask how she got out….how did he know she got out? My point is that I have read that post before and it never clicked; I think thats why its important to continue to keep rehashing this tragedy. What if someone from that area see something posted and it triggers something they saw that night that they didn’t think was important…

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    • fire/medic says:

      I believe you may be referring to Nu Nu. “How she get out the car”
      My question is how did Nu Nu know she was IN the car?

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    • Sharon says:

      I’m very sad to see SD leave,

      SD’s not going anywhere. He chooses the topics he writes about and invests in researching and analyzing, as he has been doing for four years.

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  34. jakeandcrew says:

    I was just reading on the “Jessica, She Matters” FB page, and found this recent post (in the last 24 hours) from Rebecca InLuv Wright. Someone asked, “Whatever happened to Denise Tutor?” Here’s her response:


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    • MsSmallTown2 says:

      That’s what I’ve been waiting for. I know it won’t make for convictions but it is a confirmation of what I have felt to be the truth.

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      • JohnP says:

        Wow, just wow. That makes things interesting. Like someone here said Denise Tutor has cold dead eyes.
        She moved to Houston MO on Oct. 31, 2014.
        Denise went off on Sha Sha on June 24th 2014, she talks about tagging someone but it wasn’t Sha Sha.

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        • MsSmallTown2 says:

          very interesting

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        • reconcharlie76 says:

          She blamed Sha Sha for doing something with Pat

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          • Les says:

            I KNEW she was with Pat, people were confused about that.

            Tosha is with the dad Mista. Well, maybe not now that he had some domestic violence going on. Somebody needs to get ahold of him and knock his googly eyes back to straight.

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            • Meyer says:

              Given his bulging eyes, he needs to go to the doctor to be evaluated for Grave’s Disease — seriously, like go tomorrow.

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            • reconcharlie76 says:

              Ah yes so many idiots that need their butts handed to them, just so many.
              Karma does catch up with them GOD willing.

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        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          I read back through Denise’s FB posting to Sha Sha, in regards to Sha Sha sleeping with Denise’s Husband. It’s very clear that Denise has “an axe to grind” with Sha Sha, but I didn’t see where she said anything to (or about) Jessica. However, Denise’s “replies” seem to follow one another in an odd manner, as if she was replying to comments that have been scrubbed. But everything that is speciific seems to be directed only to Sha Sha. Also, I never saw her say anything about “tagging” (punching?) someone, such as what you just mentioned.

          This makes me wonder about the post by Rebecca InLuv Wright. She says that she’s a good friend of Sha Sha’s, but I DON’T see Charlotte Wilkerson (or Jessica Chambers) in Rebecca’s FB “friend’s” list, even though Denise Tutor, and Pat Mista ARE. Kinda makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

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    • Kerri says:

      Nice find. I know we were supposed to put this thread to bed. But people are starting to spill the beans.

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    • angie says:

      Do you have a link. Jake? I went to what I think is the right page but don’t see the post. I was interested in the whole conversation if there was one. Thanks!

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      • jakeandcrew says:

        Here’s the link, Angie:

        It doesn’t take you directly to Rebecca’s post, though. Once the link opens up, scroll down almost to the bottom, look for a post by Marci Cox where she says “I think all three of them did it”, and go to the replies (there are 4) to that post. Rebecca’s is the last of the four. Hope that makes sense. 🙂

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    • dizzymissl says:

      I hope Rebecca Inluv Write is locked and loaded because if Denise burned Jessica to death for messing with her man, what is Denise going to do when she finds out that Rebecca ratted her out?

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    • closerlook41 says:

      wowowow….

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    • ShepherdDawg says:

      “another state way up north” = Iowa?

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  35. WAYNE HANSEN says:

    Well, I will be googling at least once a day to see if there is an announcement officially of any new significant finding to include a suspect. I think that there are a lot of folks that put together some credible scenarios and that we will be able to tell if any prosecution meets the road once that happens (overly optimistic). Make no mistake, the entire town, her family, LE, so called friends…all of it failed her trust not just the few that may be involved in this crime directly. I hope that irregardless of direct involvement that all the smoke in Panola County gets cleared and any and all engaged in criminal activity or doing a really bad job are found and held accountable. I sincerely hope Jessica’s story gets made and the message gets across somewhere and saves lives. Jessica there is an enormous amount of love for you here in internet land and all of those in your shoes. RIP Jess.

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  36. francismuldoon says:

    I have created a Facebook Group called Investigative Discoveries. It is a private group and at this time will only be used to discuss the Jessica Chambers case. The conversation will focus on facts, crime scene analysis, and criminal profiling. there will be no wild theories. Anything I think inappropriate gets deleted. No questions asked.
    That being said, here is the group.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/750043405072765/

    I am not a Facebook groupie so I hope I have done it correctly.
    If you choose to join, I would hope you would use a real name.

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  37. Pam says:

    Well, folks are giving their grand finale exit remarks here. I have been exhorted by people I admire to keep up the good fight. So, I am going to give my honest opinion. It may not be viewed as very “good.”

    From the start, I have a personal interest in the situation in which this girl found herself. I do not consider myself an in-depth researcher or crime-solver. That’s not my thing. I admire those who put their minds to these issues.

    My thing, and I seem to have been born with it, is what makes people tick. Human nature, human reactions, how people perceive the world around them, their beliefs and how they came to their beliefs…those are my interests. Because I walked a long, hard path to come to my deep belief in God, my spiritual beliefs now filter down into my lifelong interest in human beings.

    I have been told throughout my life that I have a gift of perception. If I do, this is not a source of pride. I have nothing to be proud of in myself. I once was a person overflowing with pride. Most of us, probably all of us, carry it around in us and may not even know it. I was taught many embarrassing, humiliating lessons which revealed my pride in all its excruciating ugliness, to me. And I never forget that there is still a root of pride in me trying to grow all the time. Pride is really ugly.

    Pride and ego go hand-in-hand. They are intertwined. They can be there in the guise of the most pitiful loser or victim of life. Hard to see, but still there.

    Here is what I saw in the last 38 days. I saw different people with different mental/brain orientations coming here. Some had scientific, logic-based, facts-only natures. Some had emotionally-dominant natures. Some had combative natures and liked to stir the pot. Some were even attracted by the ghoulishness of her death and almost drooled over the details. Some were there because their hearts and motives were good. Some not.

    Apparently, because of the fact that there were so few ACTUAL facts and verifiable sources of information, this effort did not proceed as well as previous efforts had in the past.

    The seemingly-more-remote scientific type natures clashed with the highly emotional natures. I guess in a collaborative effort (one which may have had more to go on) that would work ok. But here, it eventually seemed to devolve. Of course, in between the two extremes, there were a multitude of people who were more evenly balanced, smoothing out the process to some extent.

    The fascinating thing to me was that, across the board, there were huge displays of ego issuing forth. How is it that people can be so adamantly certain that they “know” based on almost nothing but the internal workings of their own minds, with its individual experiences, unseen biases, feelings, etc. So, although I give full credit to those of good will and good intent who participated here, the overwhelming aspect that hit me was the clash of the egos. Disguised, of course, and mostly believed by people themselves, under the banner of Justice for Jessica. Many were not so blatant as to come right out and say things in an arrogant, all-knowing way. They would present their theories as questions many times. However, we cherish our ideas and our certainties, and we will defend them and are reluctant to let them go. Ego and pride. We all are burdened with them.

    From poor Jessica being almost acclaimed a saint, with angel wings (which is a pet peeve of mine, because people do not become angels) to Jessica the low-life trash, to the parents, to Ali, to the thugs, to LEO…all along the line. I know. No, I know. Many took up the banner of justice. How much of it was also, inside ourselves, a way of patting ourselves on the bank and inflation of our ego? Look at me!

    I admire Sundance and many of the people who post here. SD has an astounding ability to step aside from whatever ego he may have. I just don’t see ego and pride emanating from him. I never have, which is really amazing to me. I admire many of the people who threw themselves into this effort in good will.

    But a really large part of what I saw came across more as something I try not to say in public.

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    • Betty says:

      “How is it that people can be so adamantly certain that they “know” based on almost nothing but the internal workings of their own minds,…”
      Where does your “gift of perception” reside? Have you come to trust it? I was very interested in the beginning of your post because a long time ago I honestly wondered what the first person saw as he walked across the savanna that made him bow his head or fall to his face and say “This is God” ‘This is totally other.

      I say ‘honestly” wondered because since that moment God has been leading me to the answer. And although, after all these years, I am only finishing my first step it has been wonderful and I find my self in a place of deep rich goodness, but a place I could never even have imagined.

      No matter how much we care about Jessica, I Know God cares more, and has been involved from day one, Even if only to grant her honest last request: ‘Don’t forget me”

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      • ShepherdDawg says:

        QUOTE: “No matter how much we care about Jessica, I Know God cares more, and has been involved from day one, Even if only to grant her honest last request: ‘Don’t forget me””

        This.

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    • Sha says:

      I had to stay off of this thread because my temper was getting the best of me. I feel like Jessica’s crime scene was treated more like someone cleaning up behind road kill instead of a murder scene.I think there are a lot of people who shouldn’t have jobs. I also feel like if it weren’t for SD and the treepers this whole case would have been sweep under the rug. I don’t think Jessica was a saint but I don’t think she was a bad person either . I think when you grow up in a hard place you have to become hard to a certain degree just to survive which is what I think happened to her. I also think she just figured out that there was life outside of that hard circle that was drawn around her.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I’ve been reading the threads and watching the trolls and clashes getting worse daily. It seems some could not except polite debate and were argumentative and made personal attacks on different posters. They wanted to fly in here and tell everybody how the site should be run. Well, sometimes enough is enough. I was at that point yesterday and confronted one of them for being so hard on others. I don’t regret it because the behavior was getting worse everyday. I have never seen any of our threads so disrupted with all of the garbage as this case about Jessica, not the Zimmerman case and not the Darren Wilson case .

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  38. angie says:

    OMG, Lisa just said that the last refuge had said she could take a basket of flowers, then last refuge got upset, so she brought it back!

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    • sundance says:

      I wonder who “the last refuge” is? That’s a weird commentary.

      Then again, this is Jessica’s mom – correct?

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      • angie says:

        Yes, Lisa is being interviewed by a woman who is a co owner of websleuths. That was one of Lisa’s first comments. The interview is being recorded so will be available later.

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        • angie says:

          Sorry, yes Lisa Chambers is being interviewed. Just weird that it’s one of the first comments. She was asked if she had gone back to the wreck site and said yes, and then says to return a basket of flowers.

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          • Kerri says:

            It took a gentle reminder last night for her to get the story right but she finally did. I am surprised that she brought it up.

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          • lorac says:

            There are a lot of troublemakers out there – someone could have identified themselves from here and been messing with her. If it is true that she got a call saying to take a basket for yourself, then another call saying put it back, I can see how that would make her confused and perhaps angry at being manipulated. Maybe someone from Courtland reading these pages and not liking the sunlight wanted to cast aspersions, by proxy.

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      • On the chat room that ran during the radio interview I asked that the interviewer ask Lisa who was the man identified as from “LastRefuge” who Lisa said gave her permission to take something.

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      • waltherppk says:

        Who was that masked man anyway?

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    • Ziiggii says:

      My only comment for today’s thread…..

      Lisa:
      “Here your things I had have been returned! Just wanted to let u know and say that we are removing the dead poinsettias tomorrow! Thank y’all so much for the memorial that you made! It truly was Beautiful and I know Jessica would have loved knowing how much she truly was loved by everyone!”

      just SAD! SAD SAD attention seeker.

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      • Ziiggii says:

        just so there is no questioning

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      • Les says:

        Maybe she just wanted a basket of those flowers from there. 😦

        I can’t hate her. I don’t think she’s a good parent, but I just can’t hate her. She has something wrong with her, she isn’t quite right. She looks like she’s had a hard life.

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  39. 2+2 says:

    lisa chambers on live radio now. go to the link, sign in and click listen now at the top.
    http://www.truecrimeradio.com/chat/

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    • sundance says:

      I listened to the last 20 minutes or so. Something seriously off with the Lisa and Jessica relationship. Way off. But actually we already knew that.

      Lisa Daugherty odd Examples:

      • Didn’t know that Jessica smoked, yet it’s clear on the video Jessica did.
      • Denies Jessica ever being affiliated with a gang, yet we know from Bryan and Jessica FB page that they both engaged in the Gangster Disciples following, at least in 2012.
      • Denies knowing time Jessica left home – says it might have been 5 to 5:30, not sure.
      • Doesn’t know anything about “a party”.
      • Has never talked to Denise Wilkerson about the events, despite Auntie “sha-sha” living two doors down.
      • Claims someone from this site gave her permission to remove baskets of flowers placed at the memorial. Yet apparently cannot identify “who” that person would be. This follows a previous contact yesterday by “Heather” who claimed the same, then stated no-one took anything, then claimed she was being “targeted” when asked about claim.
      • States Jessica left at 5 to 5:30 to get gas, clean car, and expected return, yet talked to Jess at 6:48pm for 20mins which would now be 2+ hours from when she left home, and cannot fill gaps.

      The entire Lisa convo/explanation around Charlotte Wilkerson leaves a listener realizing Lisa didn’t know much about Jessica, and is in apparently no disposition to walk two doors down and find out what she claims a desire to know.

      Weird. All of it. Weird.

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      • MsSmallTown2 says:

        It explains to me why Jessica listed her step mom as her Mother on facebook. I know this isn’t a popular opinion but I have felt from the start that Jessica was close to Charlotte (auntie sha sha), and believe the earlier port from Rebecca Wright probably paints an accurate picture of the relationship.

        Looks like Mom is over medicated or just doesn’t care at all about anyone other than herself.

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      • Taylor says:

        You have once again affirmed my WTH meter. I can’t even put into words here what that interview left me thinking.
        I state for my last time, I practically Lived in the PD after my sons situation. The people in charge were probably sick of me. … I’ll skulk back into read mode again, but this stinks.
        Many thanks for sharing your place with those of us simply seeking the Truth.

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      • 2+2 says:

        SD I don’t know if you were getting the chat bubbles where people were asking questions for the interview to put to Lisa, but apparently there is going to be a followup interview, and someone with the handle Vantage_III (or similar to that) asked that she contact the owner of TCH to get a list of facts and questions for next time. I tried to copy that but they shut it off right about then. I’m sorry.

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      • angie says:

        What mom wouldn’t cross the street to ask questions? I would go to hell and back to find out who killed any of my children.

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        • Taylor says:

          Thank you, and for the kind words upthread. I know the Life Flight crew would be more than happy to talk to her and tell them what they know… they are some of the most compassionate people… as would the EMT’s, fire , any of them would give her whatever they could if she just asked.
          I really need to just be quiet.
          But your statement is 100% all I know in my heart.

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          • angie says:

            You’re welcome. I don’t understand why Lisa and Ben are not beating down the doors.

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            • Lottacats says:

              Angie, absolutely! I’ve always wondered HOW and WHO Lisa (mother) and Ben (father) first heard about Jessica. I know the Sheriff comes by OFFICIALLY for notification but have always been curious as to how (separately) they knew. Was it ahead of the Sheriff?
              Phone call or visit by others to inform? Hmmmm

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              • angie says:

                How they found out is a good question. Maybe, since Cole knows the family he told them? Then Ben works with the Sheriff. Good question, Lottcats. I hope they didn’t hear it from someone “off the street”.

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        • Sha says:

          I would be so crazy with grief they would think I brought hell to them with my rage until justice was served. I would make sure ALL would know my baby’s name and what happened to her and I wouldn’t let anyone forget . Everyday I would be in someone’s face to find out what they were doing about this case , I might even have to write them from jail because they lock me up for harrassment because I wouldn’t back down. I also would have some people fired if they didn’t have me killed first. Real moms love there children with all there hearts in this life and beyond.

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        trauma, meds, or o natural? Very sad

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        • reconcharlie76 says:

          I am going to throw this out there, that Trauma , death, murder makes the survivors literally crazy, not so much mentally ill, but so much emotion, you say & do things you wouldn’t normally do. All I know is if this happened to me, I couldn’t sleep, my mind wouldn’t stop. I’d have to know everything, I’d be searching day & night. I would be taking my own people in for questioning, and SHA SHA would spill

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          • frangelica1 says:

            I agree with you! I wouldn’t be able to stop searching for answers!

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I know first hand that trauma can make you really messed up. Last spring my DH was in intensive care for two months and on a ventilator most of that time. God got me through it but I was still a wreck, emotionally crying when I would come home to shower and sleep, not eating well, not sleeping much. My nerves were a basket case. Each day I put one foot in front of the other and kept going. I fought like a Tiger with anything or anyone that hindered his progress of a recovery. By the time he came home I was exhausted. Maybe other people thought I was behaving strangely during that time. I don’t know. I felt like I was out of body watching myself going through the motions during that time.

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      • lorac says:

        My feeling is that a lot of parents feel they don’t know their kids and it often lasts from the kid being 13 until maybe 25. And I seem to recall that in the interview, Lisa was surprised to hear about a party, let alone that Charlotte had brought it to people’s attention – so I’m not surprised that Lisa hadn’t asked Charlotte about it, if it’s true she didn’t know until the party.

        The government has taught us to think of diversity in terms of race. IMO, 3 choices doesn’t represent a lot of diversity. I firmly believe that real diversity lies in our individual worldviews, our personalities, our ways of responding to different events. People mourn in many different ways, for example. People also react differently to what may be anxiety provoking situations to them.

        I don’t know Lisa. But it’s pretty uncommon to not be shaken to your core when you lose a child, especially violently with the killer(s) still at large. She may be holed up in her room barely able to cope, or she may be bouncing off the walls, doing things that normally would have been uncharacteristic for her. And you know how sometimes we want to know something, but we’re afraid to find out? Lisa learned in the interview that Charlotte might know something about that evening – so going forward, she could approach Charlotte to find out. But then again, she could be feeling anxiety about it and be vascillating, not feeling strong enough yet to hear the whole gruesome truth.

        Basically, as I said above, I don’t know Lisa. I don’t feel comfortable making assumptions about her motivations, or her love for her daughter, or that she just wants her daughter in the home to get money from her. Just because she doesn’t do things as I would, doesn’t make her an arch villian.

        I’m much more comfortable taking some steps down a given road, even one which reflects poorly on one of the characters in this story, if I’ve seen some reliable evidence – but not just based on emotional assumptions. A psychiatrist posted a couple of weeks ago, suggesting that much that was being posted were people’s own projections. It seems like the messenger was shot, and no one listened tothe message. I thought it was a worthwhile message that s/he tried to share with us.

        We don’t know Lisa. And we don’t know Jessica.

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  40. rhobin8301 says:

    I have been reading here for the better part of a month, I asked a few questions but mostly I read. I have learned a lot about our world, some things I wish I hadn’t, but this place has restored my faith in humanity. I was drawn to Jessica’s story when it first received a tiny bit of news coverage in the early days, before all went quiet.

    This cruel and inhumane act against a young girl was met head-on by some of the most insightful, caring, intelligent, compassionate people I have ever had the pleasure of “meeting”. I watched the J4Jpage as well, as it deteriorated into chaos and wild accusations that, at times, bordered on hysteria. The treehouse drew some trolls, probably from the other site, but overall the people here were sensible and polite. Strong foundations of faith are evident as well as intelligent thought and caring hearts.

    In threads which ran the gamut, from JC’s personal life, speculation on the crime itself, discussions about the community and family of which she was a part, to bigger possibilities of terrorists and gangs, drugs and all manner of illicit activity, the members remained true to themselves, each other, and most of all to a young girl who deserved to have the rest of her life to live in peace and happiness. I hoped and prayed for the truth to be revealed, and in a way it was; not about the crime itself, but about some of the insidious evil that permeates our world and would take it all away in the blink of an eye.

    I have begun reading some of the older threads here, ones that don’t pertain to JC, and I see the same caring and wisdom. I would like to remain here, reading and learning, and perhaps occasionally contributing. I will stay on the branch of a bush under the tree for now. My daily routine has changed to include the treehouse. Thank you Sundance and Treepers! Keep shining the light into the darkest corners of our world, perhaps we will all have a better future because of your quest to reveal the truth.

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  41. VegasGuy says:

    Well it is winding down to the point that posting anything beyond a last comment would be fruitless.
    I have ben around from the Brown threads thru the 38 days of this thread & it was quite a ride.

    I was truly impressed with the caliber of indepth “digging” & the enormous amount of info that was actually garnered, especially in the social arena.

    Kudos to all….you guys are the cream of the crop. Of course, we would not have gotten even to this “so close” positon without the guidance & inside “intel” provided by SD & co.

    I will check in from time to time & see if this cause resurrects. Hopefully, what little I may have added was of som benefit.

    Regards to all you long time treepers. Keep the faith.

    For now, it is VegasGuy out…..Hopefully, we will “discuss” again……

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  42. SouthMs says:

    🙉🙈🙊 no evil???
    Seems dirty hands start at the top on this investigation.
    If this were my child, as an instinct I would be screaming from the roof tops, and at the sheriffs dept daily until I got my answers or until a restraining order was placed against me. I’m Sorry this young lady was their baby, and always will be their baby. I just can’t believe the media doesn’t have the proverbial “nuts” to air this until her killer(s) are behind bars.
    Still praying a person with a good conscience comes forward with the breaking information needed to end this horrible mess.
    I haven’t posted on this but have kept up with this horrific crime just waiting to hear they got the person(s). Sad to see the thread end. Thanks for all the updates. Hope to see this thread open again in the NEAR future.
    God bless you Sundance! May he also help us all……

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  43. Ginger says:

    Poor Jessica. She was a stepchild at her mother’s house and a stepchild at her father’s house. She was a discard who didn’t belong anywhere. She was looking for love and a sense of belonging and it got her killed. And just like the other unsolved murders in Panola, LE doesn’t feel the need to solve the case. Just another discarded human being.

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  44. Totally Domestic says:

    You can say what you want to about Lisa Chambers, she is making an attempt
    to keep Jessica’s story alive. I commend her for that. It has to be hard for her.

    I made a strong post the other night urging her and Ben to pull together and get out there and
    keep the Jessica’s story alive & seek out media coverage. Lisa, if you are reading this I am praying for you. I thought you had a good interview on truecrimeradio. Don’t stop! Keep Jessica in the news. God Bless!!!!

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  45. reconcharlie76 says:

    I am listening to the archive, and there are things we know that she doesn’t, what is wrong with this picture?

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    • Truth Seeker says:

      It is clear that Lisa Daugherty is deliberately not speaking about the fact that Jessica was very connected to the gang culture in Panloa County.

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    • sundance says:

      At least we know it was mom who called the cops on Jessica June 2nd for “simple assault”.

      We also know that Jessica did not want to go to Leah’s House.

      We also know (well, maybe, because mom’s a fibber) that Jessica left after 6 to 8 weeks of a 90-day program. Earliest exit date would be end of July, beginning of August.

      We also know that Lisa (Mom) doesn’t know Charlotte Wilkerson’s phone number and hasn’t talked to her despite them only living two doors apart.

      We also know Lisa Daugherty doesn’t know who Jessica was talking to off camera at the gas station. (weird) Doesn’t know who called 911, has not viewed the CCTV video, has no idea what Jessica said to first aid responders, and is essentially disconnected from the life that Jessica chambers was living.

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      • pspinach says:

        We also know Lisa is toxic. That bit about the basket of flowers makes for a volatile exchange where none probably existed. The town is toxic and even the thread experienced the strange passive type of underlying trolling that nearly drove us around the bend. This woman throws out invisible darts and hooks that hurt and bleed. No wonder Jessica escaped that evening. She wanted out and went straight into the pits of hell just escape. Who could she turn to – the Rudds at 16? Someone mentioned she was strangely the unhappiest cheerleader in a group photo.

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        • ShepherdDawg says:

          QUOTE: “Someone mentioned she was strangely the unhappiest cheerleader in a group photo.”

          Yep, it makes me cry when I see that photo. Jessica has a traumatized and weary look. She is the only girl not smiling.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Plus a zillion on the trolling. It had to be some of the players from there upset with what we were discovering.

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      • reconcharlie76 says:

        Sundance I just don’t know why or how a person isn’t literally over there pounding SHA SHA for info. Whether or not SHA SHA wanted to be asked anything by MOM, doesn’t matter. Lisa portrayed to be a shy little flower not wanting to impose herself on Sha Sha. I have seen on her FB & her reply to someone that pissed her off, was not shy or fragile. What do you think of CLASH piece?

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  46. reconcharlie76 says:

    whole screenshot of Rebecca In Luv Wright
    http://nimb.ws/pfEYVH

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  47. andi lee says:

    Sundance, I trust your instinct, by far better than mine own. You, and the treehouse have taken some hits recently, I know, as I witnessed one or two going down in twirlawhirl. Not nearly as scarey as what had transpired during TM. I do want to mention I caught wind of Jennifer(?), the chambers mouthpiece, before she went private. She is not who she says she is, this much I gathered. She was called out on her so-called claim of 14 year friendship with Jessica, and not being on her friendslist She posted a screenshot of a FB post she wrote to JC on Jan 6. <<<Like that was proof. She went private after that episode, and after being called a liar. Oh, another fun fact I ran across, Allinon33 and TomFitz are conversing in taking the treehouse offline. Just a shame too, especially when I begun to think these annonymous peeps are maybe good guys. Why are the Feds not going after these creepy azz crawlers?

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  48. goodoldboy66 says:

    Chevy Z-71? Loud pipes? Derek Wright………………..

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    • wanthetruth says:

      Does he have an aka of Roscoe? Maybe he’s Roscoe AND ‘Eric,? Maybe Rebecca,’s fb testimonials is a deflection.

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