Afterburner w/ Bill Whittle — Lights Out! How We Could Lose Everything

So much for fun.  This is seriously scary.  And …… it is something that the government can actually protect against, if there is a will to do so.

 

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34 Responses to Afterburner w/ Bill Whittle — Lights Out! How We Could Lose Everything

  1. Tkim says:

    The terror attack on the electrical station got zero publicity, as far as I can remember. A PhD in Electrical Engineering in my family told me a few years ago that a single EMP device launched against America would end up killing the majority of our population.

    He said the same thing Bill Whittle said– we would be thrust back into the Stone Age, albeit with corpses stacked everywhere like cord wood. No electricity for months would be as if the entire nation’s population (and then the entire world, like dominoes) were undergoing torture at once.

    Imagine if we guarded our power stations as diligently as we searched an elderly woman’s carry on bag at the airport.

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    • benzy says:

      There was some publicity at least in the San Francisco bay area, both in the printed media as well as on local nightly news reports. They even discussed how close these men had come to putting a large part of the area “off the grid”. And it was also discussed that there was an astonishing total lack of security at most of these facilities.. nothing more than a chain link fence. No guards, no electronic security.. just a fence.

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  2. texan59 says:

    As most who lurk these pages, I am too young to remember those days before everyone had electricity. But m pop didn’t get service until 1948. He’s now 79 and he told me that anyone who reminisces about “the good-old days” either wasn’t there or is lying. If we were to suffer a major event, you would see widespread death within a few days. Primarily from a lack of water.

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    • Tkim says:

      Yep. And the lack of sanitation facilities would decimate the population with Third World diseases within weeks. But considering the sheer amount of vicious crime we might see a dysentery death as a blessing.

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      • Tkim says:

        Oh and the fact that the architects of our grid sabotage may well be foreign student graduates of our engineering programs really wraps it up with a bow. Our flight schools trained our 9/11 pilots. They not only know the academics , they know our culture and where our security is weak. And a saboteur need only sashay in from Mexico. One evil man, one destroyed planet.

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      • I would use the last of the gasoline in my car to load it with me, DH and dogs, put the garage doors down (by hand) and take the easy way out…..better than dysentery.

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  3. maggiemoowho says:

    Is the Government ignoring this or are they willfully not doing anything about it for other reasons. Enron and the rolling blackout in California come to mind. Money and total control of citizens is what our government wants. Energy would be a good resource for a to use as a bribe.

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  4. Be Ge says:

    The russkies have blown a 60MT Tzar H-bomb over their territory, and for what I understand, it was not exactly as though all electronics has collapsed (of course, the russkies used a lot of lamps in their electronics at the time as opposed to solid semiconductor based stuff we are using now specifically because lamp-based equipment had a higher survival chance in case of EMPs due to enemy nukes or massive sunflares; then, of course, there was an issue of poor quality and underdevelopment of silicon-based semiconductors, a lag the Russkies never made it through). Au contraire, nothing of the sort happened. So I have strong doubts about all electronics going down over 1 nuke in the center of the country (that’d be somewhere near kansas-colorado-nebraska border). Sorry. The Tzar-bomb, worth about 4000 Hiroshima bombs in terms of explosive power, did blow some windows over half a thousand miles away from the blast epicenter….but that’s about it. Not even TV sets were hurt.

    That said, there are cheaper ways of making a doomsday for the US (or almost any other Western country). The cheapest and most realistic one out of the things published in, em, unclassified sources, is the abrine or botox attack on the milk supply system (trucks with tanks that go around farms and collect the milk are the first obvious vector). There is nothing too complicated about growing enough of Clostridium botulinum organisms to get a 50% chance of wiping out the entire humanity — as that’d be about a pound (yes. one pound or around 450 grams) of pure botox, were it to be administered per os. Of course, pasteurization and especially ultra-pasteurization — more than half our milk in stores today is ultra-pasteurized by heating above 130C/270F for somewhere around 2seconds — does degrade botox, quite enough of it in an intact/active form may be there in your average box. Ultra-organic / “natural” / plain-pasteurized (shelf life of such milk is 1-2 weeks max) milk users are at greater risk here, of course. Yet and still, this is very doable, a nicely prepared attack on a farm near a densely populated metro area like NY or LA results in hundreds of thousands of people in hospitals, tens of thousands of deaths and G-d knows how many $$$ bills. I’ll not be surprised to learn bunches of properly prepared allahuakbar guys are already here in the US working on this while posing as illegal immigrants / farm workers which is more than a possibility due to open southern border.

    Conservatives tend to be a bit paranoiac. Yet only the paranoiacs survive 🙂

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    • Be Ge says:

      Luckily for the paranoiacs, botox degrades over time by itself (that is, w/o ultrapasteurization-like processes), so huge stockpiling (like: kill me all of the US or the whole world) is not really much of an option. Abrin from Abrus precatorius is a lot more stockpilable and a lot more stable against boiling/pasteurization, but then on the other hand, it is about 100 times less toxic per se. 100 grams of abrin per huge tank of milk is not at all easy to detect w/o specialized equipment (just like it is the case with botox). Really smart terrorists would probably try to engineer some bacterium of some sort that’d be producing abrin, but thank G-d most terrorists really are…em….not at all bright scientists and engineers.

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    • yankeeintx says:

      My husband, who happens to be an electrical engineer of some sort agrees with you. I will admit I mostly hear blah, blah, blah, when he explains the intricacies of an EMP. I will have to listen more closely the next time he explains it. If there is ever an extended power outage, I am grateful I live in a more rural area, and not in New York City. I think it must be a requirement that you forfeit some level of common sense and basic survival instincts to live in a major metropolitan area.

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      • Be Ge says:

        Big city does have its advantages 🙂

        I’ve just talked to a nuclear physics specialist. The kind of end-of-the-world EMP the video talks about is not physically impossible (e.g., contradicting the conservation laws or 2nd law of thermodynamics), it would require

        a) a specially crafted nuke
        b) a delivery means to fly the nuke up something like 300+ miles before the explosion.

        Standard nukes blown in the air via “standard” delivery means, even the 60MT Tzar-bomb (aka mother of Kuzma Khruschev was talking about when giving the (in)famous UN speech), were not able to do much in terms of killing of electronics over large territories. There have historically been moderately successful test fires of nukes 330 miles above the ground. The most successful real-life test in terms of damage was probably the 1962 Djezkagan, Kazakhstan 300kt test 180miles over the ground. They did cause fires on an electric power plant in Karaganda and burnt some (but not all) shallow-burried power and communications cables between Almaty and Astana (then Aqmola). Still very far from the apocalypse, though.

        Allakhuakbarred guys building both the specialized nukes and powerful multi-stage missiles are not a very realistic threat to me. Abrin or botox attack is orders of magnitude an easier and more realistic endeavor.

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        • yankeeintx says:

          See there you go, I read every word, but all my brain heard was blah, blah, blah. My husband’s theory was that smaller tactical nukes throughout the country would be more devastating on our power grid. The whole conversation with him started when I mentioned a faraday box, and he explained how easy it is to turn your whole house into a faraday cage. He then pointed out that it doesn’t do much good to save your cellphone when all the towers are taken out, but I digress. I do think our grid is vulnerable, and I do think if an outage is prolonged, people will die. I also think many will adapt and adjust, because “a country girl can survive”. 🙂

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          • Be Ge says:

            A lot of smaller nukes sounds more like Putler the Russkie KGB going totally nuts (one of his propagandists has (in)famously said Russia can convert US into a desert covered with radioactive ashes). The model for EMP-optimized explosion (which is not exactly your everyday nuke) has many factors including:

            — The height of the explosion point. The higher you go, the more surface area you can cover (at the expense of intensity of the shockwave, of course, and electric field from a point-shaped source decreases as a square of distance from the source). On the other hand, the higher you go — the less matter around you exists and therefore less of material to excite in order for the said material to start emitting electromagnetic waves. Depending on the exact nuke, an optimum likely exists there
            — Ionosphere and atmosphere state. Ionosphere is conductive to an extent (which is why it reflects some radiowaves allowing us to use short wave and medium/long wave radio) and may, depending on its state, which has to do with things like solar flares, reflect a lot of generated radiation back. Transparency windows do exist as well (which is why we have satellite communications) — but then almost everything transparently passing through ionosphere usually gets a lot of absorption in the lower parts of atmosphere (imagine your microwave heating droplets of water) esp. under conditions like rains with thunderstorms. Good EMP-nuke launch should take care about these factors as well
            — Bomb design I’ve mentioned
            ….. (to be continued)

            That said, there are not exactly many people are capable of understanding and implementing the bomb technology taking care of all the variables ; likewise, there are not exactly lots of missile makers in the world. Combined that almost totally excludes terrorist-bourne EMP attack on the US.

            If you still believe allakhuakbarred guys are doing it — store a diesel generator and a diesel-powered truck in a Faraday cage of an all-metal garage. Living outside of a big city does give you better chances of surviving any terrorist attack, EMP-shockwave inclusive.

            p.s. A country girl does have higher survival chances. C’est la vie.

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    • elvischupacabra says:

      …or the lactose intolerant in this case. 😆

      Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.

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      • Be Ge says:

        You are very welcome 🙂

        Here is a bit of more appropriate reading (not for the people scared of graphs and formulas) on the botox milk attack:

        http://www.pnas.org/content/102/28/9984.full

        The problem with scientific/engineering/research papers that use formulas more complex than basic arithmetic operations (e.g., including differential equations, integrals/ infinite sums or products, complex numbers math, matrix / tensor math and so on) is that one such formula per text nearly halves your audience. 33-34 formulas in a document make the author(s) the only one(s) on Earth who have fully read and comprehended the paper. This one has 30 formulas. Not all of them are exactly rocket science, but I would not bet on more than a few thousand people on the whole planet who fully understand it 😦 Hence the layman’s versions exist for less tech-savvy folks to read.

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  5. czarowniczy says:

    By cracky, it’s that dangnabbed internet gettin’ these people all riled up and the like.
    I really don’t want to say that this is part of my great ‘urban dweller subconscious fear’ theory so I won’t, I’ll just hint strongly. This grid stuff isn’t new – it was a civil defense issue in the 50s/60s as the government had learned from oopsies during some nuke tests (even tested for it as an effect) that the EMP could take out the nations’ power grip, or a good part of it. That pulse would enter any power lines within a certain distance, depending upon the burst height and weapon strength, flowing through the lines and blowing up transformers, switches and electrical items attached in homes and businesses. The government knew about this long before they told the public, those of you who remember the old ‘duck and cover’ routines we did in school that were supposed to protect us in case of a nuclear blast, or how the ‘hardened’ civil defense structures we were supposed to flock to in the event of an attack would keep us safe in the arms of the government as we drank canned water and ate dried biscuits with canned cheese product. You’ll note, again if you remember, that even after the advent of transistors they kept the tube equipment in the shelter stocks – that was because EMP would destroy solid state equipment but tubed stuff sailed right through with minimal damage.
    The military had and still has facilities that generate EMPs to test equipment from planes to radios and long complained about the grid’s vulnerability. The US power companies were warned of it vulnerability to EMP and physical attack back in the 50s and about every five years after that but they are so powerful (no pun intended) that they just expanded and expanded with little regard to anything other than profits. Remember the Northeast blackout of 1965? NYC blackout of 1977? Newer – how about the Northeast blackout of 2003? The DoD has given the power companies ideas, help, warning and none of it seems to stick. We have a Rube Goldberg national grid that while being somewhat better than it was in the early 90s is till extremely vulnerable to cyber attack, physical attack, EMP (man-made or natural), or weather and little of it’s been implemented. I could bring down a big chunk of the grid with with the items I could get in a Big Box store for $10 in the late 80s – only difference today is that it would cost a bit more, that’s not constructive change.
    People make a contract with companies and the government that for the convenience of living stacked on top of each other to create a productive urban environment that they will trust those they given their safety and comfort to will do what they are paid and charged to do. SURPRISE!
    Again I point out Katrina – EVERYTHING in city government FAILED miserably. The hurricane wasn’t that bad, very little damage. The damage came from the massive flooding caused by improperly built Federal CoE levees, levees whose damages were reported well before they broke to the area Levee Board that was charged with the maintenance and safety of the levees but ignored the warnings. When the flooding occurred the city government fell apart, the police and sheriff’s’ departments fell apart, the Nation Guard that was headquartered in New Orleans should have moved vital equipment to higher ground failed to do so and trucks, equipment and generators that were sorely needed were flooded. The power, gas and utility services were shot and even now much of it’s still just patched together – how’s YOUR urban safety net strung?
    With all of these local issues do you think the national grid’s any better? With so much of our stuff made overseas how long do you think it would take to get just the transformers we would need to fix a regional, never min national, meltdown? How about those heavy copper wires. We were backup and running with electricity fairly fast in NOLA as the flood was on the ground and the power system was up in the air but out sewer, water supply and gas delivery systems were zapped and duct taped together. The city still loses about half the water the east bank plant produces daily to leaks in the system.
    Sorry to be so long but this is a major problem and goes way beyond just the power grid, it effects and will wrack everything that it touches or supports. It’s been on the table for at least 60 years and ignored about as long. The presidents, Congress and probably tribes yet to be contacted by us deep in the Amazon probably know about it – you can bet your safety that everyone who doesn’t like us knows about it – so just add it to the pile of items in the national ‘Things Too Hard to Do’ box and have another cup of coffee.

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  6. sageladymj says:

    More to be concerned about is a solar flare and /or Carrington type event. That would be catastrophic. I doubt seriously an EMP bomb would do much more than localized damage and further doubt it would be successfully launched by anyone.

    Evil powers across the seas and in DC have a much easier, softer way of destroying our country and that is from within and they have been hard at work for 100 years or so in doing that. Guess what, they’re succeeding. While we go on about our day with our faces stuck in our Iphones or glued to the latest housewives of where ever, they (evil powers) continue to chip away at our freedoms, rule of law, education and infrastructure. The common Jane/Joe won’t wake up until it’s too late to do a thing about it.

    Meanwhile, the ones who did see the slow creep that has become an ever increasing tidal wave spend most of their time defending the obvious and being labeled terrorists and malcontents. Thanks to the evil powers, their voices are being muffled by the cries of the unjustly targeted blacks, latinos, gays, trans, tree huggers, coexisters and whatnots. No justice, no peace makes for a catchy chant shouted from the rooftops while an illegal alien pResident rolls out executive orders like boxes of rat poison on an assembly line.

    So….worry about a solar flare where justice will be equally done globally or worry about the in your face clear and present danger by the evil powers. I’ll take evil powers for $500 Alex.

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  7. elvischupacabra says:

    Meanwhile, our Dear Leader & Company is obsessed with the myth of man-made global warming. Yet an EMP event can render everything from the electrical grid to the on-board computers of aircraft, trucks and cars as useless junk. That means we will starve, since even starting a tractor-trailer rig is impossible, since “clean burn” diesels are totally computer controller, and it’s against the law to bypass them in any way.

    Instead of hardening the grid and building in some old-fashioned back-ups, we instead worry about our freaking carbon footprints.

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  8. watchert says:

    Redundancy is not being built because of costs. Many unmanned operations and control centers are replacing manned facilities because of costs. Utilities will not spend the money required to harden our infrastructure
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    • elvischupacabra says:

      …because they’re burdened with billions in costs to meet “carbon emissions” quotas in response to the mythical problem of man-made global warming. Juxtapose the two problems – the real with the imaginary – along with the requirements to protect us, and the problem would be more solvable.

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    • stella says:

      Part of the reason could be that they are being forced to spend money on renewables because of government regulations, and pressure to keep rates under control. I know that in my own state, many power plants will be closed in the next couple of years because they are coal-fired and it is not feasible to upgrade them to natural gas, and some of the new power generation must be provided by solar or wind, which is more expensive.

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      • hoosiergranny says:

        And IN is in worse shape than MI. MI at least has some nuclear power plants. When traveling down I65, there are miles of windfarms. It’s amazing how many are stopped at any point in time.

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  9. Sentient says:

    We should have mutual treaties with Japan and Australia that if our grid is knocked offline, they supply us with replacement parts and some of their women.

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  10. Tkim says:

    72 hours with no juice and this nation would be Night of the Walking Democrats.

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  11. Spar Harmon says:

    Notice the pattern. Go through the list in your mind of the modules which, when assembled, makeup the nuts and bolts structure of our everyday life. To make it easier, use the Federal Offices for the headings of your outline. You are a member of the common citizenry within this structure.

    Just from your own viewpoint, without regard for your political views, only with regard to your personal wellbeing and that of your loved ones — How many elements of your outline are functioning well to promote your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness? How secure is your immediate future in your mind?

    I hope, brothers and sisters, your working relationship with the Creator of All is in good working order.

    May we each find our way to the shelter of God’s Mercy. Let us talk to each other and make common cause as we see fit, always keeping God at the center of our thinking.

    God willing, we may survive.

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  12. Daniel says:

    Some points:

    1. If power goes out for long enough, most buildings will become unhabitable. Turns out the building materials used require environmental controls to stay sound.
    2. There is more money in failure within the government systems than there is in success. Budgets in government are set on what has been spent the previous year. No disasters, no budget. Previous disaster, good budget next year, emergency spending this year. The year after? Back to stupid again.
    3. Look at what they DO spend a lot of money on which is less important. Contact your Senators and Representatives to let them know you’re paying attention.

    The likes of FEMA are prepared for many thing, but mostly they are prepared to take our weapons, to round us up into camps and to dispose of our bodies.

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  13. John Denney says:

    In the event of an EMP, the Amish are going to look like geniuses, being totally unaffected by the EMP.

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  14. Centinel2012 says:

    Reblogged this on Centinel2012 and commented:
    Losing the grid would be vary vary bad.

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  15. Michael says:

    “NBC’s “Revolution” Shows Life after An Electromagnetic Pulse Attack”
    I stopped watching the show as too dark (tee hee) for me.

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