Mike Brown Shooting – Open Discussion Post

In this video of Mark Levin appearing on Hannity, there’s new video of the looting at the Ferguson Liquor Mart.

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200 Responses to Mike Brown Shooting – Open Discussion Post

  1. justfactsplz says:

    It is clear that Obama and Holder have a huge agenda stemming from the unrest in Ferguson. They have made law enforcement public enemy number one. They want to nationalize all law enforcement agencies. With the training which will be brainwashing they will demand and get the loyalty they need to get law enforcement to turn on the American people and confiscate firearms. We are losing all of the freedom our Constitution gives us by leaps and bounds. The damage they are planning during the remainder of Obama’s term has to be huge.

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    • Dixie Darling says:

      I saw that and it is so refreshing to see an African American push back on the president. I particularly liked his comment about having respect for the office of the president but not for anyone who would align himself with Al Sharpton!

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  2. froggielegs says:

    The new video he showed is not Ferguson Market, that’s a store in Dellwood.

    He does show the same Ferguson Market video the only difference is, it is not zoomed in which tells me Fox made it a close up of looters coming and going the other day when they showed it. Anyway, if you look exactly at the 3:41 mark, the person pointed out in the other topic as Piaget leaving after looting, is much clearer that it’s not. Piaget had on pants that were different colors with a design of sorts. The person thought to be her in the video, has solid black pants on. While it’s not her, there is still a reason why she was there and still question her seeing the fire from outside when the only opening was that one door (as far as we know) and the front windows were never smashes. They remained boarded up.

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  3. froggielegs says:

    Speaking of the Dellwood video Hannity showed, am I the only one to laugh at the looters stealing lottery tickets? Clearly they have no idea about lottery tickets. There’s a reason why the money from them goes into and comes out of a totally different register. One that also has to be balanced at the end of every shift. I use to hang out with a friend of mine at her convenient store. There’s a particular process you go through when selling, cashing in, and even receiving new tickets from the lottery. Needless to say, good luck cashing them in 😉

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      • froggielegs says:

        Yep that’s Piglet. She’s not wearing a hoodie she is wearing a hat.

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        • TexasRanger says:

          Piaget seems to be smiling, and enjoying the Looting Festivities at her local neighborhood convenience store – the Ferguson Market!

          But. fortunately for the store owner – Piaget draws the line at arson-burning when it comes to her local hood convenience store!

          She extinguished the fire set by her fellow neighborhood looter and saved the place!

          Luckily she was out looting that night!

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          • my66 says:

            The “outsiders” meme becomes laughable at this point: Commies aren’t flown in to steal gin & juice

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          • doodahdaze says:

            As we speak the Comedy News Network, CNN has a special segment attacking Charles Barkley for calling the Looters Scumbags. I am not kidding. The Looters are now official CNN Heros of the State.

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          • yankeeintx says:

            It’s quite possible that she put out the fire because she didn’t want to get smoke inhalation while she continued to loot the store. She is obviously an environmentalist, and aware of equal opportunity laws. She didn’t want all that packaging to burn up, when it could be looted and then properly recycled, plus she wanted to provide the opportunity to the older/slower looters to get their chance to gather goods to ensure that perfectly good products would not be wasted in a fire./s/

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            • Tempest says:

              Either that or after the memorial incident where Capt. Ron Johnson criticised her for recording the fire & running around the estate saying “the police did it” – when she could have put it out to begin with with a cup of water – she was trying to make a statement.

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        • TwoLaine says:

          She may not be smiling after she realizes she has made herself a marked woman.
          All that CCTV video would have gone up in flames in she had not stopped the fire.
          She left the evidence behind.
          Not good for her at all.
          Oh well…

          Then to spill the beans on TV that you are the heroine who saved the day…
          Remember, Snitches get Stitches.
          😉

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        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          No merchandise in her hands, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t guilty of burglary. I wonder if there’s a video available that this was “capped” from, and if there’s a timestamp for it? Was she in the store before the fire was set?

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          • StormyeyesC says:

            The full video is in yesterdays thread. The lawyer was on Hannity on November 25th or 26th and said that he had several CCTV video angles so I am sure that could be determined. She could not have seen the fire from outside IMO, and could not have jumped in to put it out that fast had she not been inside the store. You can see that the floors were slippery, so she didn’t run to that spot just seconds after it was lit without being close by (inside).

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      • Bob Stone says:

        There to put out the fire; no doubt.

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        • TexasRanger says:

          Looting – Gunfire – Vandalism and Arson – Nov-25-2014 Ferguson and Dellwood Mo.

          Really good overall coverage video……..

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          • StormyeyesC says:

            Arsonists like to watch the fires they set. Clearly, they are the ones closest to the burning buildings. The kid with the red sweatshirt and hoodie around the 3:10 mark that speaks to the camera can be seen looting Ferguson market in that video. Same sweatshirt and bandana

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        • TexasRanger says:

          About Piaget Crenshaw – listen to what Ferguson Market Owner’s Attorney Jay Kanzler Tells Hannity…

          She‘s a hero – “Ferguson Market Attorney says “My clients (the store owners) can’t thank her enough”!

          I’m sure they did not realize at the time that she was one of the looter also! But, even so, she did save the place from burning!

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        Great pic of her. Where did you get this? Was it taken from a video that can be reviewed at length?

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      Yes, those tickets are 100% traceable. Anyone who tries to cash in a stolen ticket can be charged with possession of stolen property, and possibly be linked to the theft itself,once the CCTV images are compared to their image. Should be great to see them arrested!

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      • froggielegs says:

        They sure are and more importantly, those lottery tickets dont belong to the store, they belong to the state.

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        • Kev says:

          That would be the same state that stood back and allowed the looters and rioters to proceed pretty much uninhibited.

          I’m not holding my breath waiting for prosecutions of any black people for anything related to Ferguson.

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        • beth60497 says:

          I have another friend, who also lives in Ferguson, who was at a gas station/c-store and the police were there arresting a guy with stolen lottery tickets during the first round of looting.

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          • froggielegs says:

            LOL Beth. That doesn’t surprise me. What these idiots don’t stop to think is, there is a reason why Lottery Commissions can tell what store a ticket was purchased when someone wins. Every ticket is accounted for both with the state and the store. The state knows exactly what tickets were placed in what store at all times. Like I said, they may as well open a bank bag with a dye pack in it LOL

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  4. froggielegs says:

    Did anyone catch that the Ferguson-Florrissant School district sent home a letter yesterday about the High school’s and middle school’s students staging a walkout?

    Here’s the letter…

    December 2, 2014
    Dear Ferguson-Florissant Students and Families,
    Earlier today, students at each of the three high schools in the Ferguson-Florissant
    School District engaged in peaceful protests in response to recent
    events in Ferguson. The protests were student-led and monitored by school
    administrators and staff as well as local law enforcement to ensure students’
    safety.

    At around 8:15 a.m., approximately 300 to 400 students at McCluer High School
    and 150 to 200 students at McCluer North High School participated in peaceful
    demonstrations.

    The students at McCluer High School initially gathered in the school’s commons
    area (the “Hub”). The students gathered peacefully in the school and some
    students spoke. At 9:55 a.m., about 300 students walked out of the school down
    South Waterford Drive toward McCluer North High School. School staff walked
    with the group of students. Florissant police were aware of the protests and stood
    by as the students demonstrated.

    The students at McCluer North High School initially assembled on the school’s
    track and then walked past the District Administration building next to the school
    and across Waterford Drive to the James J. Eagan Center. The students held
    signs and chanted slogans. In the interest of safety school administrators and
    teachers accompanied the students as they walked. The students then returned
    to the McCluer North campus and the majority of the students who participated in
    the demonstration re-entered the school.

    When a group of approximately 200 McCluer High School students reached the
    McCluer North High School campus on Waterford Drive, the group assembled
    peacefully in front of the school and continued to protest alongside a number of
    McCluer North students.

    The District dispatched transportation to pick up the McCluer students from
    McCluer North. Some students chose to walk, and were monitored by District
    staff and administrators as they made their way back to McCluer High School.

    At approximately 11:15 a.m., approximately 150-200 students at McCluer South-Berkeley
    High School peacefully demonstrated, walking out of the school and
    traveled north along South Florissant Road. The students, accompanied by the
    school principal and other school staff, traveled north to Walgreens on Florissant Rd. District buses transported students back to the school.

    We understand our students’ desire to speak out on the issues raised by recent
    events in the city of Ferguson, and have prepared our principals and teachers to
    facilitate productive classroom discussions on these topics if needed. However,
    students are not permitted to leave school grounds during the day. Please
    discuss with your children the risks associated with leaving school
    grounds where we cannot assure their safety or know their whereabouts.
    Students need to understand that regardless of the situation or number of
    students involved, our District’s discipline code applies. In addition, it is
    important for students to keep in mind that as we near semester final
    exams, every class period is vital to their academic success.

    Our District is committed to maintaining a safe learning and working environment
    in all of our schools and buildings. We want to assure you that we are working
    diligently to maintain that commitment in these unprecedented times.

    Sincerely,
    Lawrence W. Larrew
    Acting Superintenden

    http://www.fergflor.org/files/7CDKF/7c827e4f7b643f473745a49013852ec4/letter_re_walkout.pdf

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    • Be Ge says:

      First they assemble peacefully…then someone is peacefully buried after having been to a wrong location on a wrong clocktick.

      He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

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    • Moishe Pipik says:

      I hope the Federal and State funding school districts received is deducted for this time period. (HA! — as if that would happen)

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      This is reminiscent of the “Justice 4 Trayvon” walkouts. For the kids, it’s just another excuse to skip school and avoid classes. For the community, it’s just another headache.

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  5. froggielegs says:

    You have to love this portion…

    “However, students are not permitted to leave school grounds during the day. Please discuss with your children the risks associated with leaving school grounds where we cannot assure their safety or know their whereabouts.”

    Really? Mind you, this was sent home today AFTER the kids, teachers and Principal participated in the walk out.

    Here’s one of the pictures from the “peaceful” walkout

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  6. Be Ge says:

    Mark is exactly on the point I’ve been onto here for some time. The so called black “elite” — at virtually any level beginning from Barry and Eric and all the way through Al Sharlatan, Messy Jackson, NAACP, NUL and “minstrels” like high-profile black pastors and certain media personalities and celebrities — does not care a single bit about your average Jim Brown the African American guy. Said guy, though, is fairly lazy in an intellectual sense and cannot connect dots (well, one Obozoscare architect said it about all of the American people recently), hence, not really interested in this amazing circumstance. Anything opposite to the said total lack of care boils down to the following to scenarios:
    – Said Jim Brown the Black guy is hurt or killed by a non-Black
    – Said Jim Brown is expected to go vote democrat on an upcoming election and indulge himself with some fried chicken.

    A visible regress and decline of the African American Negro has a lot to do with everything the socialists (the Negro votes 95% for all the time) have been doing — such as welfare-driven destruction of the black family institution, failure of the democrat-managed education system and failures of certain predominantly Democrat-run local governments — yet and still the African American Negro is the core electorate of the Democrats/socialists/progressives.

    Where I disagree a bit with Mark, is that the usual conservative therapy helps the patient. It has simply been going on for a bit too long and on a scale a bit too large. Less direct welfare and a choice of schools are very useful measures and will eventually help a lot of people — but I do not feel they (or anything similar) are nearly sufficient given the scale (something like 10 to 20 millions of people) of the problem and the depth (2? 3? generations, I mean) of the progressive brainwashing like “if you fail it is never your fault, it is because somebody else is evil/greedy/racist/wants-slavery-back” or “if you keep failing badly, we have some freebies for you like our welfare system”. I frankly lack imagination here — all I’ve been suggesting are things that get me shivers — such as enforced (up to restoration of corporal punishment the merry Old English way as, say, found in Singapore) proper education at schools, forced labor and forced education for violent felons and a few other collectivist things such as active demographics profiling — all quite contrary to the individualist nature of a Westerner. I doubt there is an effective counter-brainwashing/propaganda/conquering ideology (again, things I do not really like). There is, of course, another commie way out of almost any problem or situation — her majesty the Big Blood. “No man” means “No problem” in Stalinese or Maoese. I sincerely hope we’re never there.

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    • justice099 says:

      But how can you help the children of these parents? It is their influences and home environment that make them the way they are. And then they go to school and the schools indoctrinate them in communist, hedonistic, anti-christian, and anti-american ideologies and like child molesters, they threaten them not to tell the parents what they are really teaching them.

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      • StormyeyesC says:

        A bit of Cyproterone acetate in the Ferguson water supply would help.

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      • Be Ge says:

        I’ll be brutally honest. I really don’t know. Well, not within the standard Western/individualistic/family-centered framework. Commies have all the answers as usual. They include taking away children form the families, among other things. They include sorting people into grades (and yes, such systems are highly error-prone, and, according to our customs going back to Roman Empire times, are hence a bad idea because of the price of error for an individual). Exampli gratia, in Singapore, they’ve decided they are getting away with low birthrate via positive stimuli only (such as tax brakes for the parents of “society-desired” children) and letting in only desired immigrants. This already is pretty much against what a normal Western rightie believes. With generations of Lumpenproletariat carefully planted by the local commies for the last few decades, the nations on both sides of the Atlantic may soon find themselves (if, unfortunately, this is not the case yet) positive stimuli alone will not work. Commie solutions (from agenda pushing, mass indoctrination, mass brainwashing all the way to induced mass starvation, mass deportations, mass sterilization, mass resettlement, etc) do work….as does fighting fire with fire.

        That said, leftyism of any kind with no checks and balances is very evil per se and hence I do not like its “solutions” even if they are very “humane”, “progressive” and “good-looking” as opposed to those by fuehrer Adi, uncle Joe or chairman Mao; it spoils the “average people” and its effects are seen for a few generations (yes, that bad…just take a look at Cambodia for example) afterwards, as it changes normal “survival of the fittest” selective pressure into “survival of the most corrupt”. Here is an example. How many children does officer Wilson and his wife have? 1? 2? The cop that involuntary started the 2011 England Riots had 1 child at the time — and could hardly support two. The woman who started the thing by igniting the familiar “concerned public” and Lumpenproletariat outrage about racist cops killing harmless (dope-dealing) innocent (multi-page rap-sheet) unarmed (in the process of buying an illegal gun) minority man — had 4 or 5 kids at the time and a helload of freebies including free higher education via the socialist government fiat. Welfare abuse under commies first produces quadmoms, octomoms or dodecamoms or even dekapentemoms on the taxpayer’s dime who feel entitled and owed to:

        Then all the sudden kaboom! 50+ years of socialist ugliness and the demographics has changed (that is even sens without the miracles of legalizing illegal immigration and promoting influx of non-integrating minorities) permanently, taxpayers are a steady minority against the entitled majority of welfare-recipients. Such system would have collapsed even 50 years ago, but thanks to technology advances the minority can physically support the majority. Edgar Allan Poe was making fun of unrestricted democracy and egyptomania as he wrote (“Some Words with a Mummy”) in 1844:
        Thirteen Egyptian provinces determined all at once to be free, and to set a magnificent example to the rest of mankind. They assembled their wise men, and concocted the most ingenious constitution it is possible to conceive. For a while they managed remarkably well; only their habit of bragging was prodigious. The thing ended, however, in the consolidation of the thirteen states, with some fifteen or twenty others, in the most odious and insupportable despotism that was ever heard of upon the face of the Earth.

        I asked what was the name of the usurping tyrant.

        As well as the Count could recollect, it was Mob.

        but then this is no longer a funny satire, but a realistic future variant. We do need to help those children somehow (for our good in the first place) — but I frankly do not how….w/o resorting to commie / collectivist methods. Neither do I know how to prevent those babies from appearing in the first place. I do not see a hell lot of a difference between fuehrer Adi’s sterilization campaign and paying $$$ to certain people for voluntary (and yes, even reversible with a rather high probability and lots of money) sterilization using their stupidity and dire conditions. I am lost. But at least I do not pretend I know, like the blind leaders of the blind commies/progressives/democrats do — as once said, since you claim you can see, your sin remains.

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    • TheLastDemocrat says:

      The solution can only be decent, well-meaning liberals like me spending time to discover and recognize the huge role of Marxist ideology in our country,and to recognize how the marxists have greatly co-opted the apparatus of the plain-ol’ American democrat citizens.

      I woke up a long time ago. I have my set of beliefs about how the country ought to be organized and governed. There is some overlap with republicans, with conservatives, with tea-party and with communists. Yet, there are distinct democrat beliefs. In my opinion, since I grew up in this world and have been part of it for decades and I continue to have many friends deep in it. most democrats cannot see this yet because the marxists have done an idealogical innoculation: any claim of marxist influence is just unfounded red-baiting (even though history now shows McCarthy was right, Rosenbergs were Russian spies, Alger Hiss, etc.) , so the message is discounted, and any conservative saying anything is just this: yet another ignorant, racist, misogynist, bigoted, greedy, Christian-myth-believing gun-clinging hateful bad-person, and so can be ignored, and should be appropriately labeled. No open dialog allowed to anyone who does not fall in line with these thought police.

      Things have gotten so ridiculous that many regular Americans are waking up, though.

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    • Attorney says:

      “but I do not feel they (or anything similar) are nearly sufficient given the scale (something like 10 to 20 millions of people) of the problem and the depth (2? 3? generations, I mean) of the progressive brainwashing”

      You NAILED it spot on. And that is why this nation in 5 years will be a place one will likely not want to be. Add in the new Democrat illegal alien “recruits” also ripe for brainwashing, and you will see the magnitude of the problem.

      To reverse things we need a real opposition party. it is likely too late anyway.

      But Boehner and McConnell getting some stones would be a start.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        I am thinking there may be a strategy. A RINO strategy but a strategy. The defunding is not going to work with Obama still in the White Hut and enough democrats in the Senate to stop an over ride. RINO Congress plus SCOTUS. It is going to be great to watch. Obama will go down in flames rather than compromise. He is getting weaker by the day.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        If they can prevent Obama bombing Pearl Harbor and save Bastogne that will be a start.

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  7. stella says:

    The Mind of a Looting Apologist
    Before you foster too much sympathy around calls for racial justice, understand what’s meant by the term.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/12/02/the-mind-of-a-looting-apologist/?singlepage=true

    “In Defense of Looting.” That’s the title of an essay over at The New Inquiry which offers a glimpse into the mindset of those justifying the looting, arson, and property damage seen in Ferguson, Missouri, since last week’s announcement that Officer Darren Wilson would not be indicted for the shooting death of Michael Brown.

    The piece confirms two things I have been saying about Ferguson from the start. First, that there is no genuine desire among rioters to pursue justice, despite their flaunting the word. Second, that the ideological underpinnings of the protest reject private property as such.

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    • Tkim says:

      Great article. Watching the protestors I thought of how it would be to do a Leno “Jay Walking” segment, asking different members of the sign holding and chanting league what justice means.

      Some would say it was the death penalty for Wilson.
      The lazy would insist more money to fix what “whites” have wrought.
      The Crunchies would insist on a kinder, more Marxist country with no distinction between class, income and gender. Oh and death to the rich.
      The Muslim extremists would insist it would be sharia law and a few million infidel deaths to drive the point home.

      Others would just let loose a strong of profanities and non sequiturs that included but was not limited to the demonization of law enforcement and copious references to the apparent slaughter of innocent youths by rogue cops paid handsomely by the KKK.

      But worse would be the answer by those with the podiums, who lurch for the megaphone when the iron is hot. The professors, the pastors, the local elected, who link the gut wrenching agony of slavery, the humiliation and danger of a Jim Crow, and the innocent men, women and children who fought for the right to be educated, free and respected, with a menacing, bullying thug who may have very well knocked an elderly black woman to the ground to steal her purse.

      Thugs with no concept or respect for what the generations of decent and law abiding Americans did to get a place at the table, a chance to be a cop it a teacher or a politician.

      I would also ask the protestors to name one black wounded warrior. Imagine the names I would be called then..

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      …the ideological underpinnings of the protest reject private property as such…

      That rejection is part of the logical progression of the socialist ideology which created our current welfare state. First, the usurpation of voluntary charity through codified redistribution of wealth for “humanitarian purposes”, then the declaration that there is no such thing as “private property” and that everything> belongs to the “People” and must be administered and distributed by the “State”.

      The rioters are simply “ahead of their time” and acting along those principles, hence their battle cry “If we can’t get it, shut it down!” Did WalMart, or the Ferguson Market have anythingto do with the GJ decision? Certainly not. So WHY stage protests to “Shut It Down”? They are being driven by a deeper and more sinister force, and acting according to the impulses that have been given to them by the socialists who infiltrated their ranks, and who are carrying out the wishes of “Hope and Change” dictated by the administration.

      And, according to the Time magazine poll, a large number of those polled believe that these rioters should be (collectively) named “Person of the Year”. Sickening, isn’t it?

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Psy-Op. The most of all theses so called protests are small astroturf photo ops for the media democrat propaganda machine. Time is just another communications arm of the DNC.

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      • 7delta says:

        then the declaration that there is no such thing as “private property” and that everything> belongs to the “People” and must be administered and distributed by the “State”.

        Like, you didn’t build that.

        The reason nobody ever reaches a true communist state is that it doesn’t work. It defies human nature for productivity and peace and enables human nature that will take the path of least resistance, even if they have to expend tremendous energy to avoid responsibility. The march toward communism always stalls on the extreme end of socialism where all politics come from the barrel of a gun, because it doesn’t work either, except by deadly force, and because the glorious leaders aren’t about to give power to live in a commune country where they would be required to be just a regular poor Joe. They never intended to share their wealth. Just the other guy’s…with them first. Communism is a strategy. Not a goal.

        We are surely seeing the effects of wealth distribution, lack of incentive, education and responsibility, emotional immaturity, and the selfishness and greed that always follows in the wake of this non-existent social justice/redistribution ideology in Ferguson today and in other areas where people feel entitled to the fruits of someone else’s labor, but no responsibility to contribute or share their never-enough share. In fact, they want yours too. This is why socialism never works. They have no concept of how wealth is created before it can be redistributed and they don’t care. Gimme.

        No system is perfect, but I’ll take the Constitution and its messiness, its inherent personal responsibility for people to self govern and the consequences of not living up to responsibilities, which is not the same as a true need for temporary charitable aid. I’ll take liberty and its dangers over Ferguson, Mo. any day, but I will gladly redistribute what I know about how to be a free people with anyone who yearns for the vast plains of choosing their own destiny, peace and prosperity….oh, and how to spot a lying, thieving politician bearing gifts. He ain’t your friend, unless he’s proven he will uphold promises to keep government in chains and out of your way. Freebies aren’t free.

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        • BitterC says:

          Can’t “like” but well said. I may steal this and pass on to some of my loonie leftie friends.

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          • 7delta says:

            Sure, BitterC. They’re not original thoughts, just in my words. It comes from years of studying and reading the political philosophers that influenced the founders and the ones who yearn for a return to feudalism and totalitarianism, with them at the helm, of course. But…please fix the typos I see now in the brighter light of morning. LOL. And thanks for your kind words.

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  8. Tempest says:

    😦 Whilst Darren Wilson is being watched over by Off-Duty police officers – Benjamin Crump is milking it by giving speeches on the similarities between Martin & Brown.

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    • VegasGuy says:

      Yep…Lots of similarities between the two….
      Low acheivers in school…Check
      Dysfuncional home life….Check
      Drug users & sellers….Check
      Petty thieves…..Check
      Gang associates complete with family members….Check
      Easily inclined to random violance…Check
      No respect for authority…Check
      Racist ……Check
      Assault on an armed person….Check
      Death as a result of assault on an armed person….Check & Check…
      Canonized as a result of death by assault……Check
      “Parents” outraged at “character assassonation”….Check

      Crump is correct…they are quite similar….
      Oh…did I mention Black Teen Thugs?….Check & Check

      Crump & Co. should pack it in & call it a day…This one’s over.

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    • Attorney says:

      What an absolute savage. These scum ambulance chasers should be disbarred. Shameful stuff.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        I know a few Liberal Lawyers who feel the same way. To quote one of them. “When I see Crump on TV I just want to reach in and grab him by the neck.”

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        • Be Ge says:

          Evil rayciss white democrats have been keeping the black people down, have opposed Lincoln in freeing the slaves, creating the KKK and segregation and are trying to put down and outstanding leader of the black folks and a fighter for their rights. That’s raycisss 🙂

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    • StormyeyesC says:

      And Natalie Jackson’s mom and friends from Sanford are in Ferguson to help out the protestors.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I’m surprised Nat Jack has not involved herself in this more than she has. It’s not surprising that her racist mother went to Ferguson.

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  9. mikesylwester says:

    I will offer a speculation here to try to synchronize the narratives of Tiffany Mitchell and Piaget Crenshaw.

    Crenshaw had phoned Mitchell many times to say that she needed a ride to work. When Mitchell would agree to come, she would turn off of West Florissant onto Canfield and then phone Crenshaw to say she was almost there. As soon as Crenshaw received the phone call, she was supposed to rush out her front door and meet Mitchell, who would stop her car along the curb across the street. If Crenshaw indeed called just after turning onto Canfield and if Mitchell indeed rushed out her door right after the phone call, then they indeed would meet just as Mitchell stopped by the curb, and neither woman would waste any time.

    As the long series of these pick-ups happened, however, Crenshaw often dawdled in exiting her apartment, and so Mitchell often called while she still was driving on West Florissant. And so, Mitchell often found herself waiting by the curb for Crenshaw to exit, and Crenshaw often found herself standing by the curb waiting for Mitchell to arrive in her car.

    By early August, their pick-up arrangement had developed into a practice where Mitchell would call ahead and Crenshaw would finish her final preparations inside her apartment. Then Mitchell would stop by the curb and honk, and then Crenshaw was supposed to be ready to rush immediately out her front door. This practice minimized (instead of trying to eliminate) the amount of time that either woman would have to wait for the other.

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    • mikesylwester says:

      On August 9, Mitchell was running more than an hour late from the initially promised arrival time. Exasperated, Crenshaw was in a very passive-aggressive mood and was detemined to exit only after she heard Mitchell’s honk from the curb. She was determined that she would not be fooled into going out to the curb earlier and then find herself waiting for several minutes.

      Eventually Mitchell did call Crenshaw. Maybe she called while still on West Florissant. Or maybe she called after she turned onto Canfield. In either case, Crenshaw was determined passive-aggressively that she would continue to fuss around until she heard the honk.

      A short time later, Crenshaw heard a car’s tire-screeching. Crenshaw wondered momentarily whether that tire-screeching might be Mitchell avoiding a traffic accident. Not hearing a collision, though, Crenshaw did not rush to her bedroom window and look out.

      A short time later, Crenshaw heard a gunshot. Considering this second alarming sound, she now did go to her bedroom window and look through the blinds of the window facing west. She saw a police vehicle parked across the middle of the street and saw a policeman running away east from the vehicle.

      She also saw what looked like Mitchell’s car parked in the parking lot below her bedroom window.

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    • mikesylwester says:

      Meanwhile, Mitchell had approached the usual pick-up point but had found the street blocked by the police vehicle. She saw the back of some civilian pedestrian who seemed to be involved in some confrontation at the vehicle’s driver-side door.

      Since the street was blocked, Mitchell turned into the parking lot that lay along the west side of the building where Crenshaw lived. Mitchell parked her car. She picked up her phone to call and tell Crenshaw to meet her in the parking lot instead of at their usual curb-side meeting point.

      Before Mitchell could make this phone call, however, she heard a gunshot from the police vehicle and saw the pedestrian run away. At this point, she decided to use her phone instead to film the scene.

      As Mitchell spent several seconds fiddling her phone into its record mode, a police officer got out of the vehicle and began chasing after the escaping pedestrian.

      Judging from Mitchell’s subsequent testimony, it’s obvious that she did not see the fatal shooting. By the time she got out of her car and moved far enough toward the street to see the scene, Brown already was lying dead in the middle of the street.

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    • mikesylwester says:

      Immediately as the police car stopped in the middle of the street, it blocked a Monte Carlo car that had been following it. Initially, the Monte Carlo stopped very close to the police vehicle. After the gunshot, however, the Monte Carlo backed up a considerable distance and stopped in front of Crenshaw’s apartment. The car’s two occupants opened both car doors, enabling the two occupants to lie low in their car seats, extending their upper bodies through the open doors.

      At this point in time, Dorian Johnson appeared at the Monte Carlo and crouched down near that car’s rear wheel on the passenger side.

      Meanwhile, Crenshaw had moved from her bedroom into her living room and now looked through the blinds covering that room’s sliding door facing the street. Crenshaw was suprised to see Johnson, whom she knew well, hiding near a Monte Carlo with both doors opened. Mystified, Crenshaw focused on that sight and so did not see the fatal confrontation between Brown and Wilson farther east on the street.

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    • Peeking through the blinds of her living room’s sliding glass door, Crenshaw was astonished to see her friend Johnson crouching behind a Monte Carlo car, both doors of which were open.

      Crenshaw had introduced herself to Johnson on the day she had moved into her apartment, at the beginning of July, and she had socialized with him many times during the subsequent six weeks.

      She decided immediately that she had to get her cell phone to film this mysterious event involving her friend. She left the sliding glass door, went to fetch her phone, and returned to the door. By that time, however, Johnson had disappeared.

      He had disappeared because he saw a back-up police vehicle souncing its siren and approaching the scene from West Florissant. Probably he looked at his friend Crenshaw’s apartment as a possible refuge, but the blinds were down behind all its windows and he assumed that she was away at work.

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      • mikesylwester says:

        The blinds hanging from the sliding glass door were vertical blinds. Therefore the blinds blocked her peripheral vision. She narrowly saw Johnson crouching by the Monte Carlo, but the vertical blinds blocked her vision of the scene farther east on the street.

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    • mikesylwester says:

      Johnson ran away from the scene as Brown still was running into the parking lot on the apartment building’s east side. Therefore Johnson did not see the incident’s final seconds, when Brown stopped in the parking lot’s driveway, turned around, and charged toward the approaching police officer.

      A couple minutes later, Johnson returned to the scene and asked the Monte Carlo’s occupants to let him sit in the car. They refused his request and then drove away, over the curb and a lawn and thus around Wilson’s police car.

      The incident’s final seconds, when Brown charged and was shot dead, were not seen by Mitchell, Crenshaw or Johnson. Mitchell and Crenshaw each were fiddling with their cell phones, and Johnson was running to hide from the back-up police car.

      FULL DISCLOSURE: All my previous speculations have turned out to be wrong !!

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      • StormyeyesC says:

        Are you writing a fictional novel? Sounds like it…………

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      • Gary says:

        From what I recall of the testimony of Piaget and the FBI interview of Tiffany, Piaget was unable to get a ride to work that morning and she called Tiffany to see if she could pick her up. I don’t remember anything about the ride from Tiffany being a regular thing. I don’t remember this from the Grand Jury documents but wasn’t it said somewhere that this was Piaget’s first day of work?

        The phone call is an odd bit. During the media interviews, both Tiffany and Piaget say that Tiffany called to tell her she was close. This makes it sound as though they spoke but in the GJ testimony and FBI interviews it sounds as though Piaget never spoke to Tiffany. The phone just rang. Tiffany had said she was looking her for her phone so she could record the tussle at the window but then she told the FBI that she had the phone in her hand because she was calling Piaget. It’s all very wierd and just goes to show that the girls had a very hard time keeping their stories straight because they embellished so much of it.

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        • Gary says:

          Oh wait, I guess Tiffany did say in her GJ testimony that she had picked Piaget up a few times and that they worked together since January. I don’t know why I had the impression it was Piaget’s first day of work.

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        • BitterC says:

          In Piagets testimony to feds (I think…read it last night) she said she never actually spoke with Tiffany. Tiffany accidentally called her as she was picking up her phone to start videoing the encounter. She said she saw part of the tussle at the suv, but didn’t see DJ til a bit later behind the Monte Carlo. Also, the boy in the van with mom,dad, and sister never saw DJ and this van was west of suv (ie they were on the driver’s side). It leaves me wondering how quickly DJ ran away. I don’t think he saw 1/2 of the encounter bt DW and MB at the suv, let alone the final shots.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Their cell phone records and the timelines within them would destroy them in any trial.

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  10. Did the 3 media witnesses meet with shahid before their interviews or during/after right after the shooting? Before iirc , correct? I wonder if that is how paiget knew about the robbery as she talked about it that day on Facebook. But did we get confirmation she knew him beforehand? Ty

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    • Oops. Seems she did. My apologies for missing that. Ty mikesylwester. I am on phone but later i want to show a raw video of her few ppl saw. Cannot recall if posted here. She was in full script bs mode wearing a hands up shirt. Worth seeing willmpost later if u cannot find it. On a lesser known blog not Msm. Wait. Found it. It autoplays.
      http://www.brennerbrief.com/ferguson-did-witness-piaget-crenshaw-play-video-games-with-michael-brown-video/
      Forgive if old news/ if u all saw it.

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    • jason says:

      From pictures and videos we can see Tiffany, Piaget, McSpadden and Shahid all in a pow-wow just before detectives come over, break them up and interview them individually. DJ wasn’t seen/captured in those group discussions, but Shahid tracked him down at some point and was there to monitor his media interview that happened much later on. DJ had already been actively pushing/selling his version of events from the very start however. There’s video with audio of him discussing the events and he’d be right by the big tree where Browns family first gathered.

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      • Be Ge says:

        What a fine name…Shahid inshallah.

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      • BitterC says:

        I was wondering if Piaget had her powow on the grassy knoll before or after she gave her on scene interview to the detective. WHy? Because she told the det. she had only spoken to her roommate, Tiffany, and a couple concerned friends who called her in the aftermath. She never mentioned being part of a group discussion where she was instructed to give the “hands up” BS.

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  11. LetJusticePrevail" says:

    CNN asks:

    Should community relations be considered before charging Michael Brown’s stepfather?

    Missouri State Representative Jeff Roorda says NO!

    “I think you have to look at the letter of the law”

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    • VegasGuy says:

      Well I guess we all missed the Statute that reads..

      “Criminal activity occurring in the furtherance of Black Community Relations shall not constitute a “Criminal Act” under Mo. Law.”

      Furthermore, such individuals part taking in such activity shall be classified as Aggrieved Black Individuals, acting in “good faith”, regardless of the activity, and shall henceforth be deemed to have acted in the best interest of the “(Black) Community at Large”. Such activity shall not constitute or be defined as, Crimminal intent.

      Aggreived shall be defined as any Black individual that had any eye contact with any White person, including Police Officers at anytime within the lifetime of the Black individual. Such proof need only to be self proclaimed.

      Revised Statute Dec 2014

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    • John Galt says:

      “Should community relations be considered before charging Michael Brown’s stepfather?”

      Yes, have sniper teams in position.

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  12. Moishe Pipik says:

    President Obama said that we need more Black police officers, that the Police Forces need to better represent the community they serve.

    It would be interesting to study existing Black police officers. If there is any indication that people are any quicker to shoot a black suspect than a white suspect, I’d bet that any increased fear of Black suspects is present in both Black and White officers. Black people who are not “of the hood” fear unruly groups of black people every bit as much as white and asian people do.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I do believe that the racial make up of the Ferguson PD leads to the impression that they are an “occupying force” and fosters resentment among the blacks in Ferguson. However, whether or not that resentment is merited is an entirely different matter, as is the issue of whether or not black applicants to the Ferguson PD were discriminated against. They may (or may not) have been considered in exactly the same manner in which successful candidates were selected. I refuse to accept the “Disparate Impact” arguments that rely solely on the raw statistics to reach their conclusions, and insist that the truth can only be determined by an exhaustive,case by case examination of all applications. And that examination should be the effort of the plaintiffs, and not the City of Ferguson.

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    • John Galt says:

      “It would be interesting to study existing Black police officers.”

      Already done – East St. Louis.

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    • jason says:

      here’s an article related to that topic. Pretty sure I’d seen another follow-up on the study mentioned (or poss a similar study) that gave more details about the participants and that whites took longer to shoot than did black participants. Not sure it ever mentioned ethnicity with respect to them being police officers, but almost certain that it stated in general whites took longer to fire than others.

      http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/03/study-people-more-likely-to-shoot-white

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    • justice099 says:

      I’m not really sure I understand the point of this, honestly. It sounds more to me like what the blacks want is segregation. They are angry that their mayors and other politicians are white and want more blacks. They are angry if the teachers are white. Angry if the majority of business owners are white. Angry about white doctors.

      Obviously, this is really what it boils down to. They want segregation. I honestly doubt many white people would argue with them about that. But I say instead of race, let’s segregate by culture. Because I would hate to force any respectable black person to live in the hell hole.

      And of course, we need rules about the thugs coming into the nice neighborhoods to rob and steal.

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  13. Pam says:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/ferguson-protests/index.html

    Louis Head has apologized for his words. Don Lemon called and spoke to a “source” who gave him the statement. The statement uses “big words” and is grammatically correct. Who knew Mr. Head was such an educated guy!

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    • TexasRanger says:

      Louis Head Apology Statement….

      Louis Head, Michael Brown’s stepfather, says in response to Ferguson rioting inquiry: ‘I humbly apologize to all of those who read my pain and anger as a true desire for what I want for our community’

      Yah – well it’s too late, the Vandals and Arsonist new exactly what you wanted for your community!
      And, they did it – Burnt the B!tch Down!

      Now he’s trying to stay out of jail – tell it to the Judge!

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      • LetJusticePrevail" says:

        Je might not be lying about that. After all, even a thug is smart enough to know that there’s no profit on looting businesses that have already been burned to the ground. As far as the cop cars go, though….

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      • justice099 says:

        Sounds more like he is apologizing for those mean racists that misunderstood that “burn this B* down” meant let’s have a blunt quietly.

        Read the words carefully. It does not say he actually apologizes for what he said. He is apologizing for other people’s interpretation of what he said.

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  14. BobNoxious says:

    I posted this in another thread but I’ll add it here too as it’s more relevant to this topic and there appears to be more action in here….

    A StL bar popular w/ police officers was the target of an armed robbery attempt last night. Patrons returned fire at the gunmen/robbers, injuring 2/3. 4 patrons were also hit by gunfire, one of whom is a woman in critical condition. Not surprisingly, no one in the local media is asking whether this robbery had anything to do w/ the numerous calls for violence against police in StL lately….

    http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/03/multiple-people-shot-at-south-city-bar/19820261/

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    • jason says:

      prayers for that woman 😦

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      One suspect was located at the hospital where he was being treated for a gunshot wound to his shoulder. That suspect initially stated that he was shot in the area of Goodfellow and W. Florissant, but the investigation revealed him to be a suspect in this incident.

      The second suspect was located at the scene and taken to a hospital where he was treated for a gunshot wound to his eye. He has been listed in critical yet stable condition.

      The third suspect, who has been described as a black male, remains at large.

      Well, that answers one nagging question left dangling in the first coverage. Nothing specified about the “demographic” of the bar patrons and victims

      http://fox2now.com/2014/12/03/6-shot-during-attempted-robbery-bar-at-south-city-bar/

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      • Tempest says:

        You can’t use the word Demo-Graphic! That Racist! You also can’t use the words Demo-n, Demo-nstration & Demo-crat. Havent you heard – the Greek root “demos” meaning people is racist now!?

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  15. kc10lvr says:

    When I saw this last night, I was wondering why there has only been ONE arrest…when so many threats have been made? Why not round ’em all up?

    Man arrested for threats against Ferguson officer
    Posted on December 2, 2014 at 3:05 PM
    Updated yesterday at 10:39 PM

    SEATTLE (AP) — A man was arrested Tuesday on federal charges of posting Internet threats against a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, after a black teenager was shot and killed.

    Defendant Jaleel Tarik Abdul-Jabbaar, 46, of Kirkland began posting threats on Facebook soon after the shooting of Michael Brown, according to the criminal complaint.

    http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Man-arrested-for-threats-against-Ferguson-officer-284514321.html

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  16. rumpole2 says:

    I HAVE NOT kept up with the discussion on GJ docs and evidence detail. Forgive me if this has already been covered.
    Has anybody mapped WHERE each witness was at the time of the incident?

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      Not really. The GJ testimony tries to avoid specific mentions, and does not include diagrams made (or referred to) by the witnesses when they described their locations. Obviously done to protect their anonymity out of concerns for their physical safety.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Thanks.
        A specific question I have been asked (and cant answer):
        “Of those who said MB charged at Wilson, do you know which witness number was closest to the shooting?”

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        • doodahdaze says:

          Probably ones in the cars that were involved in the scene.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          I think the cops got to them before the Crumpsters and NAACP.

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        • LetJusticePrevail" says:

          That’s something I cannot answer. This graphic might helpby narrowing down which witnesses said he “charged” at Wilson, but you will probably need to read all of their individual statements to determine which were closet:

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        • mikesylwester says:

          Witness #10 might be the farthest. In his police interview, he estimated that he was about 100 yards from Wilson’s police vehicle, which stood to his east. After the gunshot inside the vehicle, Wilson and Brown ran even farther east.

          In his grand-jury testimony, Witness # 10 said that he did not move closer to the scene during the incident, but he decreased his distance estimate to 50-75 yards (I presume to the vehicle). I suppose he might have returned to the scene after his police interview and re-estimated the distance before his grand-jury appearance.

          In his testimony, Witness #10 pin-pointed his location on an overhead photograph of the scene, but we readers can only guess at that location. If that exact location were revealed to the public, then his distances to the vehicle, driveway, dead body, etc., could be measured accurately.

          The statements of witnesses who say that Brown stopped, turned around and fell dead in one spot are worthless.

          For example, Tiffany Mitchell testified that she was only 20 (twenty) feet away, which certainly would make her the closest witness. However, when the prosecutor informed her about the trail of blood and asked her to explain it, Mitchell could not answer sensibly. I had the impression that the prosecutors and grand-jury members were stunned by Mitchell’s lying, and her purported 20-feet proximity just added to their astonishment.

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        • mikesylwester says:

          The very closest witness was Darren Wilson.

          A witness’s distance is not as important as his agreement with the physical evidence. The only witnesses who matter are the ones who say that Brown advanced a considerable distance toward Wilson, as confirmed by the trail of blood and the ejected bullet casings.

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        • mikesylwester says:

          Any witness who says that Brown stopped, turned around and fell dead on one spot did not see the fatal shooting at all — no matter how close they say they were.

          For that reason, we know that Tiffany Mitchell, Piaget Crenshaw and Dorian Johnson did not see the fatal shooting.

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  17. This is so disgusting. How uncivilized. Let’s face it, we made a monumental mistake thinking ANY far left radical (1st {half} Black) President had what it takes to govern and lead this nation. Believe me, eight years of Barack Obama will convince us all that it isn’t worth electing a black President to prove we’re not racists! The next Black President of the United States will be qualified for the job or he won’t be elected. No more accepting the nominee without vetting. We are certainly suffering the consequences of our stupidity!

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    • StormyeyesC says:

      “We?’ Not me, I didn’t vote for him. Miami became a 3rd world banana republic after several minorities (not just blacks) were elected to public offices. Cronyism, nepotism, and graft became the norm. Schools went to h3ell, special interests got the $$. I knew better. I had to leave.
      I will vote with the knowledge I gained that a person in power appoints/hires/supports those who think and act most like himself, and those with whom he has the most in common. If my concerns are not the same as theirs, not giving them my vote.
      No more minorities with their own agendas for me.

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      • I didn’t vote for the s.o.b. either, Stormy. Never would have!

        The “We” was the collective “We, the People” – as this was the majority decision of the nation (or was it, I’m still not sure).

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        • justfactsplz says:

          I don’t believe for a minute that it was the majority decision of the nation. There was a lot of voter fraud and we never hear what became of those issues. I know I didn’t vote for him.

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  18. Chip Bennett says:

    OT, but related (and no better place to post it): another one of NatJack’s progeny robbed a man at gunpoint while he was pumping gas in Indianapolis:

    The victim described the suspect as a black male in his late teens, with a slim build, scraggly facial hair and wearing a black hoody with a pattern on the back.

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  19. mikesylwester says:

    Last night I read Tiffany Mitchell’s grand-jury testimony for the first time.

    I had expected Mitchell to be a more reliable witness than Piaget Crenshaw or Dorian Johnson. After all, Mitchell owns a car, is employed as a supervisor and is engaged to be married. Mitchell seems to lead a life that is relatively composed.

    I had the impression, however, that the prosecutors and grand jurors were stunned by the blatancy of Mitchell’s lying.

    Mitchell testified that she witnessed the shooting from about 20 (twenty) feet away. She testified that the place where Brown stopped and turned around was exactly the same place where he fell dead.

    Then the prosecutor informed Mitchell about the trail of Brown’s blood and asked Mitchell to explain how her testimony might fit with that physical evidence. Mitchell batted that question away without a sensible answer.

    The prosecutor stopped the hearing of Mitchell’s testimony rather abruptly. The prosecutor said essentially : “OK, we have heard enough from you. No more questions. You are excused.”

    Mitchell’s lying was articulate, crystal clear, blatant.

    In contrast, the testimony of Crenshaw and Johnson is ambiguous, contradictory, erratic, chaotic. A listener or reader spends all his mental energy trying to figure out their narratives — trying to distinguish their deliberate lies from their mental confusion.

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    • LetJusticePrevail" says:

      I have always maintained that Mitchell played a large part in the deception perpetrated by Crenshaw. She’s older, and more articulate, and undoubtedly had influence over Crenshaw. She also was more circumspect in her media interviews,and seemed perfectly content to let Piaget have the spotlight while she “led from the rear”.

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      • mikesylwester says:

        LetJusticePrevail:
        She [Tiffany] also was more circumspect in her media interviews,and seemed perfectly content to let Piaget have the spotlight while she “led from the rear”.

        How true !
        Stated brilliantly !!

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Arress her.

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      • mikesylwester says:

        In perjury trials, Crenshaw and Johnson would walk, because the jurors would find that those two might be just mentally confused.

        I think that a jury would convict Mitchell, however, for perjury in her grand-jury testimony.

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  20. jason says:

    The Ethical Society of Poilce come out in favor of Ram’s player’s demonstration

    Aside from the positive support for the Ram’s players, there’s some interesting info (IMO) that’s posted on that page I hadn’t seen before. Not related to any specifics of the case, just a glimpse of what seems to be the end game for some.
    http://www.newsweek.com/darren-wilson-other-one-racism-st-louis-police-force-265762

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      Wow. It sounds like Darren Wilson (the other one, the Sargeant with the St. Louis City police) is a racist.

      I got as far as him claiming that police promotion exams are racist against black police officers, and that the Ferguson PD couldn’t conduct an impartial investigation because they only have 3 black officers. I then had to give the rest of the article the ol’ Bassem Masri Arab greeting. (Virtual, of course; didn’t want to have to clean off my monitor.)

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      • John Galt says:

        “police promotion exams are racist against black police officers”

        True, if you subscribe to the “disparate impact” theory of racism. IQ tests, SATs, LSATs, GREs, Nobel Science Prizes, and criminal statutes all discriminate against blacks according to the disparate impact theory. The National Basketball Association discriminates against whites.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      More on the “Ethical Society of Police”. They sound sort of like the CBC, but for the St. Louis City police. Read their About page.

      Note, the same Darren R. Wilson, President of the Ethical Society of Police, who decries the police promotion exam as racist, indicates that the ESOP motto (emphasis added) is:

      <

      blockquote>Our motto is “We are the conscious of the St. Louis Police Department.”

      (No, that is not a typo. It is, however, irony. I suppose knowing the difference between conscious and conscience is racist?)

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    • dizzymissl says:

      Not surprising since it appears to be a racist organization.

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  21. Moishe Pipik says:

    Yes, it’s photoshopped. But yes, it’s true and funny.

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  22. kinthenorthwest says:

    This is a copy of the letter I send to my local news station. Believe it or not I did get a response the made it seem like they read it . It might be just blind eyes that saw it, but at least I feel I tried.
    MY LETTER
    I have been listening to your one-sided biased stories for the last month or so on this issue.
    I suggest that you have someone with some legal knowledge read the Grand Jury papers before you incite some incidents similar to Ferguson here in Southeast Washington and Northeast Oregon. I think you will find that if you read the Grand Jury papers you would see that Officer Wilson is not guilty and the Grand Jury reached the right decision.
    The below link will give you a link to the Grand Jury Papers.
    http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/ferguson-shooting/
    PS Please refrain from using the term Unarmed with this incident. You might want to look up the statistics of how many Law Enforcement Officers are killed in the line of duty by unarmed criminals.

    THEIR RESPONSE….
    Thank you for your email. The story came from our national correspondent, based at our corporate headquarters. We will pass on your feedback.

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  23. doodahdaze says:

    OMG OBAMA is live already!!!! Amazing. Whoa!

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  24. carterzest says:

    This guy does a really good job on this. I had not seen this one yet.

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  25. doodahdaze says:

    The liberal media is going nuts trying to figger out what to do. Obama already trid to tie this to Ferguson. Amazing to watch. That is why Obama came right out on National TV to try and tie it together.

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  26. doodahdaze says:

    Here it is. I have been in many 3rd world countries where people sell “loose” cigs on the street. This is what his crime was. Not attacking the PoPo or knocking over a convenience store. NYC actually has cops on bikes running around trying to stop the purchase of an untaxed smoke. It is beyond ridiculous. Arrest the Mayor and the Governor.

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    • sageladymj says:

      And this is why I abhor out of control govt. They use the cops to enforce their stupid, asinine nanny state laws while hardened criminals go free doing bad things. BTW, they also tend to dis-arm their citizens and look the other way when the minorities steal weapons and use them in the same city/state. Only in NYC.

      You could not pay me to go there. We had a conference there with my work this summer. Thank God I was recovering from surgery and could not go. I had already told my boss I did NOT like the idea of the trip and could someone else please go in my stead. She laughed at me.

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  27. Lou says:

    smart and unafraid Jewish guy just like myself that calls a spade a spade. well Andrew Breitbart was Jewish also. yeah, that’s why they hate us.

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    • John Denney says:

      “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” – John 3:19-20

      “. . . walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.” – Ephesians 5:8c-10

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  28. coeurdaleneman says:

    mike sylwester posted above:

    “Witness #10 might be the farthest. In his police interview, he estimated that he was about 100 yards from Wilson’s police vehicle, which stood to his east. After the gunshot inside the vehicle, Wilson and Brown ran even farther east.

    In his grand-jury testimony, Witness # 10 said that he did not move closer to the scene during the incident, but he decreased his distance estimate to 50-75 yards (I presume to the vehicle). I suppose he might have returned to the scene after his police interview and re-estimated the distance before his grand-jury appearance.

    In his testimony, Witness #10 pin-pointed his location on an overhead photograph of the scene, but we readers can only guess at that location. If that exact location were revealed to the public, then his distances to the vehicle, driveway, dead body, etc., could be measured accurately.”

    It’s been awhile since I read #10’s words, but if what you say is true, then I think I know where he was.

    In Volume 24 a (lead?) detective describes 360 degree photograph displays taken from different points by a photographer after 8/9. When it came to ones taken at the spot of DW’s driver door, there was mention of a white house about due west, where the witness (iirc) was a worker, not a resident. Go to google map street view to the SUV site, and there is one that stands out. I won’t mention the address, even though I think that doing so would be harmless. I didn’t try to measure the distance exactly but a glance at the map scale makes it looks like that it was over 400 feet to the SUV.
    I’m going from memory, and might look at Vol 24 to confirm … but later when I have more time.

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  29. Mary Jane says:

    https://www.facebook.com/RisqueeP?fref=ts&ref=br_tf Piaget on her FB Page, Dec 1

    “I’ll be in the house , next to an outlet but still let my phone get to like 2% before I start charging it. Smh”

    This must have been after somebody pointed out the faux pas in her FBI interview that has her on the phone one minute (Does Piaget pay for a land line in this day and age? Would Tiffany call her on it?) but then the next minute, after she leaves the scene of the shooting-of-a-fellow-black-man-in-progress to run and get her things in the other room (more important than the historical event she is witnessing, with her obvious knowledge of the history since she immediately compares it to Trayvon in her first media interviews on Canfield?) First of all, who peels themselves away from a window when a brother is fighting with a cop and shots are fired to grab their purse and cell phone?

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370763-fbi-int-witness-16.html page 10

    “I’m in my room getting re- uh getting ready for work”

    Problem 1, Tiffany is an hour late, she should have been re uh ready a long time ago. Is this part of the story even true, that she was going to uh work?

    page 3 the Feds start circling that wagon,

    SA : Ok. And where’s your address?
    WITNESS
    SA : Ok. And how are things going there?
    WITNESS Pretty decent.
    SA : Yeah, not too bad?
    WITNESS Yeah.
    SA : Good. You can get. you can get to work ok?

    WITNESS Yeah.

    SA : Ok.
    WITNESS (UI)

    SA : And what’s-what’s a good contact number for you?
    WITNESS
    SA : Ok. And your date of birth?
    WITNESS

    SA : Okay. And your social security number?
    WITNESS I think oh –
    SA : Ok. …

    WITNESS SA :
    WITNESS Yes.

    SA : Ok. Wonderful.

    WITNESS Had to just (UI) soon.
    SA : Yeah, it’s uh..that’s how you.

    ATTY

    SA : Like in ?

    ATTY Yes.

    SA : Alright. Wonderful. So how are you doing today?
    WITNESS I’m ok.
    SA : You’re ok. And uh, I believe uh, you told Mr. were going you’re headed to work today? <<<<
    WITNESS Yeah, I'm going to go to work when later on.

    SA : Ok. So hopefully we won't hold you up too long. What time are you working at? <<<<<<

    WITNESS 12:30. <<<<

    SA : And where do you work?

    WITNESS Um, off <<<<<<<<<<

    SA : Off ?

    WITNESS Yeah.

    SA : Ok. What do you do there?

    WITNESS Uh, <<<<<<<<<<<<

    SA : Oh yeah? How do you like that?
    WITNESS I like it.
    SA : Yeah.
    WITNESS It's decent. Yeah.

    SA : Yeah. St… uh, do you work the same hours every day? <<<<<<<<
    WITNESS Yeah.
    SA : Oh that's nice.
    WITNESS I was off work for a little while, but now I'm back.
    SA : Ok. That's good. And things are going good, they-they were ok with you?
    WITNESS Yeah.

    FIRST MAJOR PROBLEM. SHE WORKS AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY (12:30), BUT BY NOON ON THE DAY OF THE INCIDENT SHE WAS AT LEAST ONE HOUR LATE TO WORK, MAYBE 2.


    Right? We all wanna do that. That's what happens in circumstances. But we really just want to know what you saw, and what you yourself heard. Because if you testify at a trial, I mean, can tell you-you know, defense attorneys are going to make a big deal about what you actually saw and heard versus what blanks you're filling in.

    WITNESS Gotcha.

    Ok?

    SA : And also, this door is not locked from this side so you can just …you don't even need me to open it.

    WITNESS Ok.

    SA : Just for your, you know fire awareness. Ok, so, you know why we're here today. We're here to discuss August 91 2014. So just take us through where you were that morning.

    WITNESS : "I'm in my room getting re- uh getting ready for work"

    ( DOES SHE WORK FOR THE GREEN SHIRT GUY WHO #40 PUTS AT THE SCENE ALREADY AS THE EVENT UNFOLDS? )

    "And I get a ok I'm sorry, I get a phone call earlier from blank (Tiffany) saying that she's gonna be there. A couple of hours had passed, I finally get a phone call, and it's the exact same moment that I see my phone ringing, I heard a screech in the middle of the street. Same, yeah, same thing. I either saw the phones, heard the screech, it happened same time."

    Now why would she still be getting "ready for work" a couple of hours after her boss calls to say she's going to be there? In a media interview she mentioned they were an hour late for work. What job do you go to with your boss on a Saturday where you can both be an hour late for work? In one of the police interviews somebody else was an hour late for work.

    Why is this information important enough to Piaget that she keeps weaving it in? Why would you out your boss on TV saying you were both causally an hour late for work before the shooting, absent a compelling reason? How does one get this job?

    Next she SEES the phone ringing, she didn't "hear" the phone ringing. That says cell phone. More interesting is it becomes phone(s) next, is somebody else's phone there, do the phones start ringing off the hook? Are all these people partying together, actually, and Piaget wasn't really getting ready for work at all? Does she look like she is "ready for work" on the day of?

    http://www.ksdk.com/videos/news/local/2014/08/13/14007133/ Tee Shirt, hair looks a little unkempt. No uniform? Already it's another Trayvon Martin case, yet she didn't stay at the window to watch the entire thing unfold?

    3:53 fixing her hair cause she knows it looks like bed head.

    "They took my phone into custody because I have multiple videos of what happened"

    So here we have a politically aware African American woman, who knows the Trayvon Martin case right down to the word "tussle", yet we are about to discover she stepped away from the window to get her purse and her phone, which were supposedly already in her hand as she "saw the phone" and "heard the screech" simultaneously.

    Why didn't she start serving her community right then and there by turning the video on on the phone in her hand?

    Page 11 she looks out the window and see's wilson's SUV, with her manager's car (van) "right in front of it). I thought Tiffany was right behind it? And wouldn't Tiffany call her cell phone and not the land line, if she even had one? So this puts Piaget with her cell phone in her hand as what she seems to realize is a crime against a black man by a white cop unfolding right in front of her, and she doesn't hit "record?"

    But she tells the reporter "I have multiple videos of what happened"

    To the feds, "And I saw my, my manager's vehicle in front of it" So that puts Mitchell either directly in front of the SUV and in the middle of the "chase" or it puts Tiffany right behind the SUV, where the white Monte Carlo, (my manager? ) has been demonstrated to be by this point already.

    Page 11 so as I look out my window, I see, oh I'm sorry I heard the um, the phone ring.

    BUSTED

    A minute ago she saw her phone ringing, and she just did again, except then she should have the video she told everybody she had, no excuses.

    But then the tussle is going on and there are gun shots etc and her manager's car was "in front of it" Somebody matched all this up to the vehicles entering, Canfield, right? Just because the list of cars doesn't say Ferguson Police SUV, besides the two that followed Wilson in, one of the three SUV's listed from the surveillance video watching the street is Wilson.

    Are we sure Tiffany wasn't in the white Monte Carlo Grand Prix? She had a boyfriend, right? Did the Man in the Green Shirt pull in?


    WITNESS …got in some kind of car accident or something. So Ijust automatically look right out in my window and right now I'm lookin' at the window to the right of me. And I see the police car in the middle of the street. And I see a young man standin', well, I can't see his whole body, but I see the top of his head, standin' next to the front of the police door, on the driver's side. And from that angle, you know, you cannot tell what's
    gain' on. So I assume, I don't, well not gonna assume…I couldn't really tell what was gain' on, it was just a lot of movement gain' on by the window of the car. And I'm lookin' at pull into the driveway after a shot was fired. Now, the shot was fired out of the window, and then (talks quietly to herself)okay let's see (UI) ok, I turned around, got my purse, I gathered some items 'cause I was already gettin' my purse together. I ga-gathered some items into my purse and turned right back towards the window.


    I GA GA saw a black man and a cop fighting, heard gun shots and LEFT THE WINDOW TO GATHER MY THINGS? Who would do that? Nobody. And later she is gonna say the "things" she gathered were in the living room, so how did she turn right back towards the window?


    And at this time
    Michael was runnin' down the street and Darren is chasing him. So, I'm­ I'm looking at the officer chase Michael down the street, and my attention gets turned to uh, Monte Carlo or whatever car whatever vehicle was in the middle of the street 'cause I then saw Dorian duckin' behind the car.

    "My attention got turned" Like her attention got turned to gathering her things in another room in the middle of a police shooting in front of her window?

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS So,1 saw him. And he was also um, duckin' towards or kind of um, how do l…what's the word…crouching and walkin' towards um, West Florissant area 'cause the car was facin' that way. And they were runnin' right past the car behind 'em. So I initially thought that he was in
    trouble and he was the one hidin'. So, at that point, I turn, go to the next window. 'Cause you can't really see after, from that window anymore. And, go to the next window. And at this time, I heard another shot fired while they were running. After that, he then turn, had his hands in the air, by the time that I saw him have his hands in the air, he got shot I heard two shots like specifically in my head I saw those two
    shots. And he dropped down like kinda drop hands first, then knee, then face and everything else. So that's why I did not see him move towards the police at any time.

    SA : Ok. And then what did you do?
    WITNESS Ok, then after that. I just I immediately ran and got my phone. It was on the charger for like, it was horrible, it was cracked everywhere, so it was on the charger, so surprisingly I even got to the camera, and by the time I walked, actually outside of my door was two police officers on the scene.
    SA : Ok.
    WITNESS So that happened really quickly. And the other police officer's car was right here, wait a minute it was right here. And the first one was over here. So now it's two police officers on the scene, and he's standin' over the body. Both of them, sorry…


    Wait she already gathered her things and had the phone in her hand when TIffany called by accident on her way into the driveway, somehow going around the white Monte Carlo.


    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS …are standin' over the body. But..I know that Darren Wilson was the one who shot him because they-they didn't look similar. One was tall and skinny and the other one was kinda shorter, and darker and so he was standin' on the right side, and at that moment, I was just video tapin' him and cryin' at the same time um, just walkin' …

    SA : Sure.

    WITNESS …just walkin' and just pacin' next to the body. And just lookin' like weirded out kind of like not-not I didn't think that was how police look like mostly they look confident after …

    SA : Uh huh.

    WITNESS …you know something…he just looked kinda weirded out. And-and at no point did I see any injuries on him as well.

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS And um,so after that, just recorded the whole scene that took place um, minutes after that. Um, so I saw everything that happened afterwards
    as well.

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS And that includes when they put the tape around, they kept backing the tape up more and more and more as people were drawin' closer.

    SA : Uh huh.


    JUST RECORDED THE WHOLE SCENE THAT TOOK PLACE, UM, MINUTES AFTER THAT. UM, SO I SAW EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED AFTERWARDS.


    WITNESS And um, people are just wantin' to know information like what's gain' on? His family got in the…

    SA : Right.

    WITNESS …middle of the street and just you know so people were tryin' to figure out what happened. So before I talked to any media, I gave my statement to the police in um, his vehicle. And that was located right here in this parking lot.

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS So, yeah we were sittin' there, he has my video and recording too.

    SA : Ok.


    SA : …did you know Mike before this day?

    WITNESS I didn't know that I knew him.

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS And I don't-and I don't I still don't, of course not know his personally so, before this day it was just me and a mutual friend of him, Mike's, his name is And we were at his house. So Mike was sittin' in a corner, kinda just sittin' to hissself. I didn't know that it was him. I didn't even know his name.

    SA : Gotcha.

    WITNESS He just told me that I had met the guy before.

    WITNESS Yeah.

    SA : Do you know-do you know what his address is?

    WITNESS I don't know it. But it's-it's like on the…I know that it's on the right side of the Northwinds complex.

    SA : Ok.

    WITNESS If you're goin' this way toward it.

    AUSA Is that ?

    WITNESS I don't know his last name.

    AUSA Or ?

    WITNESS I only know the first name.


    TWIN?


    Here it comes.

    AUSA Ok. And um, just to kinda follow up a little bit on August gth···

    WITNESS Uh huh.

    AUSA You said was comin' to pick you up for work.

    WITNESS Yes sir.

    AUSA Were you working in Illinois at that time?

    WITNESS Um, our office is not in Illinois but we um, our job is based out of Illinois, 'cause we can only do it in Illinois.

    AUSA And but is that …

    WITNESS …regulation of laws…

    AUSA …the same job you have on now?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok, so you still have that same job?

    WITNESS Yeah.

    AUSA Alright. And uh-uh, that's on there in the city?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok. Um,at what time were you going to work that day?

    WITNESS Well, we were supposed to…I was supposed to be at the office at eleven or something or…I know no-no, ok we were supposed to be at the office at either 12:30 or 1:00, but she was supposed to pick me up a little
    earlier than that. So I think she guess she was supposed to be there around elevenish. But, so she was comin'. She was callin' tellin'or textin' sayin' she was on her way and then I finally got the phone call sayin' probably uh, lettin' me know she was here.


    She still isn't saying where she works. OUR JOB IS BASED OUT OF ILLINOIS, with who?

    "She was callin' tellin' or textin' sayin' she was on her way and then I finally got the phone call sayin' probably uh lettin' me know she was here.

    THAT CEMENTS IT HER CELL PHONE WAS IN HER HANDS NOT IN THE CHARGER.


    WITNESS Yeah. But we never got to actually talk on the phone because right as that happened, it was like gunshots and everything was gain' on so, and I couldn't hear, I'm like hello-hello-hello ..she wasn't sayin' anything. And she later just told me she was actually tryin' to get a camera out when she first saw what was gain' on from in front of 'em. (UI)

    AUSA Hmmm.

    WITNESS So that's why she has accidentally called me.

    AUSA Ok. And again, let's not worry too much about what she told you later.

    WITNESS Ok, sure.

    AUSA 'Cause we don't want to mix up what you knew at the time, and what someone told you, ok?

    WITNESS Ok.


    Going on in front of "em. Who is em?

    So that's why she accidentally called me.

    What is that about? Did Tiffany accidentally call and make a mistake in doing so? Was something else entirely going on here, more "organized"?


    Alright. Um, while watching this you heard additional gunshots?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok. And uh, those were uh, a couple shots were fired before Michael Brown fled?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Is that right?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok.
    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Alright.

    WITNESS (UI)

    AUSA And 1- 1 think you stated before that a couple of those uh, hit Mr. Brown.
    And one hit a building on the opposite side of you.

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Is that correct?

    WITNESS Yes. The very first shot.


    Wasn't it determined that the bullet in the building was from another gun?

    Is it possible that there was another weapon there and shots were being fired while Brown ran to make everybody think the cop was firing while he ran away?


    Now around that time I think you told us today that you turned around and you got your purse...
    

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA … and uh, went to the living room window.

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Is that right? Ok. Um, and at that time you saw Mr. Brown running down the street?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok.

    WITNESS And so at the, oh I also want to point out, at the time of the actual um, the fatal shots…what 1-1 did not see Darren Wilson actually holding his gun and shootin', I saw when I could only see Brown only because it's a little part in my building that blocked him. So I'm seeing Brown fall to the ground with his hands up.

    AUSA Ok, you couldn't actually see the officer …

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA …shooting?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA You only saw…

    WITNESS But I saw him run towards him, and he stopped basically exactly where I couldn't see him anymore, but I saw Brown.

    AUSA Ok. So you saw Michael Brown but you did not see the officer at the time those two shots…

    WITNESS Yes.


    Monte Carlo doors were already open when she supposedly "saw the shot go through the window" and into the building across the street. Two casings and two bullets were recovered at SUV, was Dorian on the ground looking for more casings?

    Wild speculation here, but this story gets wilder by the phone call and job, while everybody was occupied across town.

    But next, she knows about the bullet in the side of the building way too soon, before anybody else, it seems.


    AUSA And I just wanna go through you know in detail here what you-what you saw that day, alright? Um, and you know in your I noticed in your initial interview actually you mentioned to the detective, and we already talked about it a little bit today…you mentioned to the detective that
    uh, the lady across the way's window was shot? And then he asked you about that, whether you had actually seen that. You said no, that..you know people told you about it later, right? And I think that's a good example.
    WITNESS The detective window? I'm sorry..I don't understand your question.

    AUSA Yeah, when-when you first met with the detective on August 91
    uh,

    having listened to that statement, basically that day you had mentioned to him that a lady's window across the way had been shot during this..

    WITNESS Oh ok, yes.

    AUSA You remember that?

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok. Yeah. I'm sorry I didn't mean to confuse you. Um, and he asked you a little more about that, but then you made it clear that people had told you about that, that you didn't actually see that happen.

    AUSA If there's something you actually didn't see and-and I know you talked in an initial interview a lot about hearing different shots at different times.

    WITNESS Yeah.
    AUSA Right? And, we need..wh-what we're trying to do is just parse out 'cause it wasn't real clear from prior statements exactly what you heard that day…what you saw that day..

    WITNESS Got you.

    AUSA …and then, just what other people may have told you.

    WITNESS Right.

    AUSA And just like as we were sitting here today at one point you were talking about how la-later told you…

    WITNESS Oh ok, yeah.

    AUSA …that the reason you didn't connect on the phone…

    WITNESS Ok yeah.

    AUSA …was because she tried to take a picture with her phone and you didn't…you never connected on the phone. Now you knew that later.

    WITNESS Yeah.

    AUSA And that's fine. I mean, we want to know that too. But p…we just need to be able to determine ..

    WITNESS Just what happened…

    AUSA …that's because she told you that. Not because you saw that or you…

    TIFFANY KNEW ABOUT THE SHOT INTO THE BUILDING


    AUSA Ok. Um, you'd mentioned in that interview that at one point you were kinda tryin' to stay behind the door because of the shooting that was going on. Is that right that you were sort of trying to stay behind the door while the shooting was going on?

    WITNESS Behind my balcony door.

    AUSA Yeah.

    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok. Um, he…I think you'd even mention in that interview at that point you thought maybe someone was shooting at the police. Obviously that turned out not to be th-the case. But at that point that might…that was one of your impressions that maybe…

    WITNESS 'Cause there was so many…

    AUSA …someone was shooting at the police?

    WITNESS …so many shots. Yes.


    AUSA Alright. At one point during the interview on uh, August 9 of 2014 you'd mentioned that um, someone had-had indicated to you that the guy was unarmed and put his hands up. You-you said that she said that the guy was unarmed and put his hands up. And was that just about…I mean, did you know at the point…at that time?

    WITNESS I didn't know if he was unarmed or not.

    AUSA If he was armed or not.

    WITNESS Yeah, but..

    AUSA But someone else had told you he was unarmed…

    WITNESS Yeah.

    AUSA …and put his hands up. Is that right?

    WITNESS Yeah, everybody was saying he was unarmed.
    AUSA Ok. Alright. Was that
    to?
    that you would have been referring

    WITNESS Um, no.

    AUSA If you know…

    WITNESS She didn't tell me if he was armed or not.

    AUSA Ok.

    WITNESS I don't remember, maybe.

    AUSA Do you know who-who she was?

    WITNESS It was a couple of people talkin' outside. They were sayin' he was unarmed, he was unarmed, so…


    WITNESS Yep.

    AUSA Ok. Now uh, I wanted to uh, one thing…one reason we took the break is, you know I, we've talked a little about your statement to Detective back on August 9 of-of this year. That was uh, at 2:19
    p.m. which is just shortly after the shooting right,.that's…


    That's too soon to know about the bullet in the building.


    WITNESS Uh huh.

    And the picture, you think you remember it, but really you don't remember the actual party, you just remember what you see in the picture.

    WITNESS Ok.

    And so we're trying to…I don't know if that makes sense or not. We're just trying to figure out what you actually saw. Because…

    WITNESS Ok.
    …you know when you with Detective right within a couple hours, it's-it's, I mean you told him that you didn't see that part, so we
    wanna …we, you know so it's natural for us to assume you don't have that piece of the puzzle. That's not to say it didn't happen.


    WITNESS So I kinda gained more facts durin' the time as well.

    AUSA Ok. And that, is that just from ta Ikin' to other people, or…

    WITNESS And watching the news and media and things like that.

    AUSA Ok, alright. So you gained more facts by doing that.

    WITNESS Yes sir.

    AUSA My understanding is that before you talked to Detective on August gth, also, did come up to your balcony and the two of you did talk about this before you actually talked to the police. Is that right?

    WITNESS We didn't really discuss anything. It was so…it was like really emotional.
    I was just cryin' and she was just like "What just happened?" and she automatically called the news people and…

    AUSA Ok.


    AUSA And on..on August gth of this year, um, Detective asked you um, "Did you talk to anybody about the actual incident before you talked to me?" And you said "My co-worker, my roommate" and then he asked "Your co-worker meaning" and you said " ." And he said " , ok that would be ?"
    WITNESS Yes.

    AUSA Ok. So that…

    WITNESS I didn't talk we (Ul)…(microphone gets moved) specifics about the investigation, but of course we had words …but…

    AUSA Ok.

    WITNESS We did not talk about like." Did you, so you saw him when he was…" you know, like gain' into details, specifics.

    And we're not blaming you for that. I mean that's…like I said…

    WITNESS Uh huh.

    Human nature, right?

    WITNESS Right.

    You see something that-that is unexpected, surprising, tragic any of those words.


    Was it unexpected, surprising, tragic?

    Who else is her co-worker? This isn't Tiffany.

    Is it the Guy In The Green Shirt?

    You guys are amazing. This is too wild to even imagine, but something isn't right here on so many levels.

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    • BitterC says:

      The bullet in the bldg could not be recovered, so not sure if it was the other shot at the SUV.

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    • That’s an awfully long post. Few people will read so much.

      I was interested to see that Piaget said that she heard the first gunshot, looked out her window and saw Tiffany’s car still on Canfield Drive — not yet in the parking lot.

      If so, then there was not enough time for Tiffany to drive into the parking lot, park her car, get out and move far enough toward the street so that she could see the fatal shooting.

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  30. Mary Jane says:

    Two casings at the car, one bullet in the door, the other hit Brown’s thumb, or was that the same one in the door? Could the police have left that there “unrecoverable” on purpose while they let the rest of the drama play out? Sure seems like they knew something was up by then.

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