Ukraine – The Other Side of The Story – Lawless Bands of Ukrainian “Opposition” With Occupy Similarities….

As with all of the political turmoil present within nations, including our own, there are alignments of self-interest which need to be identified.    For a close to home reference you might think about the differences between the “establishment class” of Republicans and the “grassroots conservatives” who also situate under the same tent.

We who value “freedom” and cherish “liberty” would no more consider Mitch McConnell a champion of our cause than Barack Obama.  Nor would we align with “establishment” principles – yet, from the outside looking in, it would be easy to define us with ideological attachment to Republicans simply by our association. 

It would be easy, yet it would be vastly inaccurate.   Such is the larger dynamic as we look toward Ukraine and what is taking place.

“Freedom” and “Liberty” are tenuous propositions under the best of circumstances because they ultimately are defined by people.   People with a vested interest in controlling the expressions thereof.    

With that in mind a thoughtful contributor, with direct attachment to Ukrainian heritage, has provided us with a larger perspective to consider:

Protester-Yulia

Things are being presented in the Western media a particular way, I don’t quite understand why.

People are not hearing anything about the normal ethnic Ukrainians across the country that are being stopped if their cars are too nice by groups of protesters in the roads with baseball bats.

The people get searched, cars searched, and told “it’s the law of the revolution” when asked what give the protesters the right to do take people’s property.  We’re not hearing how the protesters and low information supporters have burned out police stations and told the police “we no longer need you”.

They have burned all records in some of the police stations so you can’t tell why people are locked up.  The useful idiots are destroying the country’s civilized infrastructure.

It is exactly what occupy wall street wanted/wants to do here.

Anti-government protesters pose in front of the main building of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's residency near Kiev on February 22, 2014. A member of Ukraine's parliament said on February 22 that President Viktor Yanukovych has promised to submit his resignation in response to violence that left nearly 100 dead in anti-government unrest. Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) opposition party lawmaker Mykola Katerynchuk told reporters that Ukraine's embattled leader said he would resign in a conversation with protest leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk.  AFP PHOTO/GENYA SAVILOVGENYA SAVILOV/AFP/Getty Images

Now they have freed “political prisoner”, Yulia Tymoshenko.  She has already announced her candidacy in the Ukrainian presidential elections.

“Lazarenko, former Ukraine PM and the person who gave Tymoshenko control of the Ukrainian gas industry in return for a 50% share of its profits, is now in prison in the USA after having been convicted in 2006 for money laundering, fraud, racketeering and extortion to the tune of $200,000,000, which money was stolen by Lazarenko during his 1996-1997 Ukrainian premiership.

When on trial in the USA, Lazarenko tried to oppose the admittance of Tymoshenko’s statements as being those of a co-conspirator.  His counsel’s argument was that in view of the fact that Tymoshenko was a victim of his criminal activities – the granting of a former state monopoly to her in return for 50% of its profits – then she could not be classed as a co-conspirator in his money laundering and fraud. In its wisdom, however, the US District Court, Northern District of California, San Francisco Division, returned the following decision:

“The statements of Yulia Tymoshenko will be admitted as co-conspirator statements.  Tymoshenko was both a co-conspirator of the money laundering conspiracy charged in count 1, and a participant in the scheme to defraud… and although she has not been charged as a conspirator, the government will introduce sufficient evidence to demonstrate that she was a participant in the conspiracy and that her statements should be admitted as conspirator statements.”

http://archive.org/stream/TymoshenkoImplicatedInCrimesByUsaFederalProsecutor/TYMOSHENKOatUSACourtofLaw_djvu.txt

This statement from a US court notwithstanding, the Western press still portrays Tymoshenko as a whiter-than-white victim of a Kremlin backed political vendetta, a democrat suppressed by Yanukovych’s pro-Kremlin government.

The whole purpose of Tymoshenko’s entry into the political field was to make herself ever more wealthy; which indeed was the case with her mentor, fellow townsman, political fixer and former state farm tractor driver Pavlo Lazarenko, who is now languishing his time away in a US prison.

It seems that if any criminal, especially those “oligarchs” from the former Soviet bloc,  says the magic words “freedom and democracy”, then all his less than savory activities are simply ignored.”

Yulia2007

Tymoshenko accused in new $405 million embezzlement case

http://en.ria.ru/world/20111013/167659327.html

“The Ukrainian security service (SBU) launched a new criminal case against Ukraine’s former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko on Thursday, accusing her of attempting to embezzle $405 million during the 1990s, an SBU official said.”

Ukraine brings new criminal case against Yulia Tymoshenko

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/8824979/Ukraine-brings-new-criminal-case-against-Yulia-Tymoshenko.html

“The Ukrainian Security Service said on Thursday it has opened a new criminal case against jailed former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko over suspected embezzlement when she headed an energy firm in the 1990s.”

Tymoshenko Ally Sentenced for Embezzlement

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203833004577249313403607628

“KIEV, Ukraine—A Kiev court sentenced former Interior Minister Yuriy Lutsenko to four years in jail on embezzlement and abuse-of-office charges Monday, a move that Western officials allege follows a pattern of politically motivated trials against members of the opposition.”

Ukraine seeks ‘Tymoshenko’ funds

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Ukraine_seeks_Tymoshenko_funds.html?cid=37361918

“Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Pshonka, has met his Swiss colleagues to inform them that formal complaints against opposition leader and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko for embezzlement could be filed in the near future.”

This Swiss article is from just before the protest started. Since the protesters consisted mostly of her supporters, I wonder if it’s connected to the fact Ukraine’s parliament voted for a law that would allow for her release AND gets to keep all the money she stole.

How many in Ukraine parliament members just became much more wealthy?

Welcome the new Ukraine President, Yulia Tymoshenko.

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63 Responses to Ukraine – The Other Side of The Story – Lawless Bands of Ukrainian “Opposition” With Occupy Similarities….

  1. goodkathie says:

    Ok I think I am totally confused as to who the good guys and bad guys are. Are they all just power/money hungry thugs???

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    • Joey Miller says:

      There are no good guys.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Pretty much like our Congress. There are only a few and we aren’t totally sure of them.

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      • AdukeLAXobserver says:

        Exactly and that is why we shouldn’t believe everything either side says. We should also be careful with whatever the media says. The media always have an agenda and pick sides. And no doubt there will be some Elizebeth O’Baggy’s that come out of the woodwork and tell us how great or bad either side is.

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    • dws says:

      I usually just take the easy way out in deciding who is most likely the bad guys, or at least the worst of the bad guys. Who is CNN championing?

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    • sundance says:

      goodkathie, I’m thinking this current Ukrainian dynamic is resembling something akin to changing out Harry Reid for Mitch McConnell – albeit with more aggressive posture.

      Would we actually benefit? Is there, in the context of individual liberty and freedom, actually a difference? Arguable at best.

      Freedom principles lay on a circular continuum and not a linear line. Emotional political dynamics can have bad consequences and outcomes regardless of the starting point.

      Think about the consequences from the Patriot Act as but one recent ‘at home’ example.

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    • John Galt says:

      Nelson Mandela is held out as a saint. Does that help put things in perspective?

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  2. auscitizenmom says:

    {SMH} How are we to know the truth about anything?

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  3. ZurichMike says:

    I work a lot in Central and Eastern Europe, helping companies select distributors and other local vendors. You pick the best of the worst and hope it all works out in the end. I do remember Tymoshenko’s “heritage”, but, as with all power-mad people — you sometimes have to take the lesser of two evils. Puddy had great maps about the natural gas pipelines. It’s all about the wealth and the possible energy extortion of Europe, otherwise Ukraine would not even be in the news right now.

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  4. Rob Crawford says:

    Safest to bet against whoever the heirs of the KGB are backing, IMHO.

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  5. realitycheck says:

    The Russians committed the Holdomor, that is reason enough for Ukrainians to dislike Russia ….. Up to 12 MILLION native Ukrainians were starved to death by the Soviets in 1933-1934. This is almost double the number of Jews killed int he Holocaust. The Russians have also treated native Ukrainians (except for the moneyed criminal class) as second class people and continue to do so to this day …. It is correct that the opposition has many problems BUT would you rather have the Putin controlled criminal who has plundered his country as Russia always had, or a person who may or may not have participated in questionable activities and at least gives some hope.

    The average Ukrainian wants a chance and the same things all freedom loving people want. Under the Yanukovych rule, they had no opportunity. Ukraine is a different environment with the ruling criminal class (including some of the opposition). The police, politicians and criminals are the same groups.The average Ukrainian will tell you this is standard in Ukraine BUT they dream of more and dream of better for themselves. This will NEVER happen as long as they are treated as “Little Russia”

    I would also like a response as to how Yanukovich is not that bad when the Ukrainian Parliament voted 328 – 0 ” — Accusing him of massive human rights violations and abandonment of his duties, parliament voted unanimously today to impeach Viktor Yanukovych as Ukraine’s fourth president.” … His own party knows how crooked he is.

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    • nyetneetot says:

      “I would also like a response as to how Yanukovich is not that bad when the Ukrainian Parliament voted 328 – 0 ” — Accusing him of massive human rights violations and abandonment of his duties, parliament voted unanimously today to impeach Viktor Yanukovych as Ukraine’s fourth president.” … His own party knows how crooked he is.”

      Just as an aside, this is one of the Facebook of one of Ukraine’s “senators”
      http://www.facebook.com/TsarovOleg
      MP of Ukraine. Deputy Chairman of the Party of Regions

      He is saying the protesters beat up many of the members of parliament and locked them up in another room. The protesters then took the “voting cards” and voted Yanukovych out, and to free Tymoshenko.

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      • realitycheck says:

        Sounds very Putinesque

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        • nyetneetot says:

          Putin is actually tied up with being at the Olympics. He really can’t do anything with everyone from all the other nations over there. Kind of makes you wonder about the timing. However, I would expect a response once all the athletes, their families, and dignitaries depart.

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      • nyetneetot says:

        I’m actually surprised at the posts on his page. It’s a mix of support, prayers, name calling and death threats. If this was in English people would be blocked and the swat team on the way. There is one post telling him he’s lucky his children are in London. Another asks where he is so they can come get him too.

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    • sundance says:

      I don’t know the answers, but I have seen photographs of politicians in Ukraine today bound (with duct tape), blindfolded, and gagged like prisoners…..

      ….so, forgive me if I’m not weighting parliamentary votes too heavily right now. 😉

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      • Be Ge says:

        Do you mean like that party-of-regions-member customs boss in Uzhgorod/Chop/whatever else in Zakapratsa Oblast? Those places are huge villages where everybody knows everybody; while I generally do not approve lynching of any kind, but the system plain and simple did not work out there for a very long time; I can bet that guy knows for god-damn sure why he got what he got.

        Remota itaque iustitia quid sunt regna nisi magna latrocinia? quia et latrocinia quid sunt nisi parva regna?
        If we remove justice — what will the kingdoms be other than gangs of robbers? And what are well-organized gangs like, if not little kingdoms?
        — St. Augustine of Hippo, circa V ctry A.D.

        Yanukovich managed courts and the justice system in general with a phone and pen. We’ve got what we’ve got, as was famously said by the first Ukrainian president Leo Kravchuk.

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  6. realitycheck says:

    From Cumberland Investments : ” For now, we must follow the events in Ukraine closely. More than Ukraine alone is at stake in the outcome. Ukraine is a tipping point, not an isolated geographical entity. The entire complex structural relationship between old Europe and Russia is again in play. The outcome in Ukraine affects nations as far north as Finland and Estonia and as far south as Turkey and the original Levant. Both history and the trajectory of affected markets will hinge on the outcome in Ukraine.”

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  7. sundance says:

    …… And watch what happened when a small group of people attempted to hold a pro-Maidan rally in Crimea.

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Defender of the Fatherland Day is a popular Russian holiday on February 23.
      There is going to be fireworks and parades. The timing couldn’t be worse than if this was planned………

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    • dws says:

      I think some naive people think that revolutions are a good thing, but even in the best of circumstances they are brutal, and that’s assuming that the cause is good. With the earth’s population bulging at the seems, we’re sitting on a powder keg. And with geopolitical machinations, all of these color revolutions might lead to a bigger domino problem than was ever feared with Korea and Vietnam. If you notice, at the very end of the video, they’re lighting fire to the American Flag. It would seem that some strongly suspect America’s hand in instigating/funding/arming the “protestors”.

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  8. sundance says:

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  9. carterzest says:

    House fit for a tyrant: Protestors storm the sprawling, luxury estate of Ukraine’s fugitive president which has its own private zoo, golf course and is half the size of Monaco
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565697/House-fit-tyrant-Protestors-storm-sprawling-luxury-estate-Ukraines-fugitive-president-private-zoo-golf-course-half-size-Monaco.html

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Just to point it out in this thread; This is their “White House”. Each president lives there, not just Yanukovych. Whomever the next president is will live there too.

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      • Be Ge says:

        Save for the fact that Yanukovich has fraudulently rented the property from the state for something like 10$/month for 50 years with near-ownership rights 🙂

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      • Polk8dot says:

        I do not understand where you get your info. From what I’ve read Yanukovich bought a part of the land years ago, with a tiny house on it, then through shell corporations acquired the rest of the estate and had the mansion/palace built there. It was not open to visiting dignitaries, admittance was only ever granted to his family who lived there and his close circle of friends and sycophants. It was also guarded by his personal protection detail, not the national troops. It never housed previous leaders of the state, and it was the ‘private property’ of Yanukovich (although we all understand that he built and paid for it with the money he stole from the nation).
        Now, as to the future, it may be that incoming leaders will now requisition it as the national property, but we’ll have to wait and see.
        I want to highlight one fact though – after Yanukovich escaped, the Ukrainian people went to the property to ‘take a look’ since thus far it has never been open to the public. Amazingly, the Maidan protesters dispatched their members to ensure the estate was not vandalized in any way. People entered the grounds and scoped everything out from the outside, but there was not a single breakage into the house itself, no looting. The restraint and respect Ukrainians showed through their actions on this estate are a testament to the CIVILIZED nature of the people (immediately calling to mind any African or Middle Eastern lootings of palaces, museums, and any property that was possible to be gotten hands on).

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  10. Glen says:

    “Things are being presented in the Western media a particular way, I don’t quite understand why.”

    Here’s a piece to the puzzle:

    Diplomacy Is a Four Letter Word
    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2014/02/17/diplomacy-is-a-four-letter-word/

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  11. Partyzant says:

    It is futile to spin your gears thinking this as good v. bad. That is a distinctly American mindset that is inappropriate.

    I cannot tell anyone what the right answers are. What is beneficial to understanding is to think generationally, 20-50 years out… how will this play out and what does it mean? When you think short term, you are fooling yourself. History in the eastern part of Europe is tangible, much like in Serbia. Understanding this is imperative to dispelling the cartoonish indoctrination Americans have swallowed for decades. History matters in a very real, very tangible way.

    I refer people to the book “Bloodlands” to get an idea of what this means.

    There is no historical context for the degree of devastation in America for what these people (Slavs: Rus, Czech & Lech) have been through. Huns, Nazis, Turks… the 2nd American Civil War circa 1865 had NOTHING on this.

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    • nyetneetot says:

      Absolutely! I think the only thing comparable in North America was during the time of the colonies with the British trying to get all the Irish and Scotts killed off by giving them land grants next to the native Americans in Georgia and the Carolinas. However nobody knows anything about it. Not a peep in any school.

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  12. Be Ge says:

    Yulia Timoshenko is a pretty controversial figure. It is not that she is guaranteed any position these days, and my understanding is that a lot of people actually think madam Timoshenko, a fuehrer / napoleon with a French braid, actually deserved some jail time — such as for her great feats in the area of gas trading together with her ex boss, a US-convicted felon and another former Ukrainian PM Pavel Lazarenko. Of course, that sentence should’ve no way come through a fraudulent politically motivated travesty of justice — but still…

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    • A Fuehrer? Based on what exactly?

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      • Be Ge says:

        Authoritarian management style and treatment of political enemies for the very minimum. In fact, the changes to the voting legislation during the Yanukovich-won presidential elections-2010 signed by president Yuschenko — were one of the , if not simply the one, key factor behind success of Yanukovich in 2010. To the outside observers it looks as though Yuschenko was so scared of Tymoshenko he kinda preferred Yanukovich….

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      • Be Ge says:

        Also (unsure if you have noticed) — she is visibly populist-left-leaning in her policies and actions. To me, an left-leaning leader with authoritarian traits is always somewhere on the path of dark Jedi Fuehrer Adi, the ultimate lefty nationalist dictator.

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  13. Partyzant says:

    With the several gas routes to the EU, Russia really can play whatever tune they want and the EU has to dance, like a trained chimp.
    They gave up on nuclear, except for the French. The French will be a majority Muslim nation before long unledd Generation Identitaire gets moving
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/10/generation-identitaire.html (shout out to Baron Boddissey)
    http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/we_are_generation_identitaire
    http://www.generation-identitaire.com/
    http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8004
    Without serious commitment to nuclear, the EU is not competitive (as a starter).
    Karl Denninger has put forth much on the Thorium path to nuclear energy and he lays out a convincing argument for his position (see http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2491667).
    It is an education that we cannot afford to ignore much longer.

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  14. Partyzant says:

    To provide some historical context to how this issue has links to other nation states in the area… keep in mind, these are not so much wars as we know them, but wars between peoples who happen to have some occasionally iffy border issues.

    http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/105535,Massacres-of-Poles-by-Ukrainian-nationalists-remembered
    (30k-60k killed in 3 years, give or take)

    http://www.volhyniamassacre.eu/spory-o-wolyn/polish-ukrainian-historical-disputes-over-the-volhynian-massacres

    http://www.islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/Jihad-against-Poles-Lithuanians-Belarusians-and-Ukrainians.htm

    It is not realistic to think that this stays inside the Ukrainian tupperware. It will spill out and make a mess. There is no plausible reason to believe that now will be any different. At best, Ukraine becomes a recognized vassal state of Putin. Towards the worse end, all out people’s war- real blood in the gutters sort of thing. Too bad O’Zero sold the Poles down the river a while ago. There is no trust left, no reason to after Yalta 2 and the follow-on Katyn Massacre 2.

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  15. I am sorry, I don’t really believe in the Kremlin / Communist / Yanukovich / Putin notion of “justice.”

    I am not at all sure Mrs. Tymoshenko is whiter-than-white as said.

    It will take though a lot more than accusations from her bitter political enemies and Stalinist kangaroo courts to convince me of her being as corrupt as suggested.

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    • nyetneetot says:

      The US District Court, Northern District of California, San Francisco Division is a Stalinist kangaroo court?

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      • Was Ms. Tymoshenko every tried in that American court mentioned above? Was she charged with anything? Did she have an opportunity to defend herself according to the rules of a civilized justice system?

        Here’s what we know about the real trial she had to face:

        •The judge, Rodion KIreyev (only 31), who ruled in her case was handpicked by Yanukovych and transferred from a small provincial court to the court in Kyiv just two months prior to Tymoshenko’s trial.
        •Tymoshenko requested foreign lawyers, but the judge refused.
        •The judge did not allow her to properly present her defense, and as such, one of her defense lawyers withdrew from the case and gave it up as a lost cause.
        •The representative of the E.U. present at the trial, called the conditions “desperate” and “highly irregular”.
        •Pro-Tymoshenko protesters faced police brutality outside the courthouse, while Yanukovych organized a group of privately funded anti-Tymoshenko protesters who were driven to the court in an official police bus, with police protection.
        •TV news crews and journalists were forcefully thrown out of the courtroom, several cameras being completely destroyed in the process.
        •Tymoshenko’s defense lawyers put forward a list of 30 suggested witnesses, only two of which were permitted. The prosecution on the other hand, brought forward 38 witnesses against her.
        •The judge removed anyone he wanted from the courtroom at any time — and one such person was a famous dissident from the soviet era, who stated that even during the darkest days of communism, such a corrupt trial would not have been possible.
        •For a portion of the trial, Tymoshenko’s lawyers were not even allowed to be present in the courtroom.

        Tymoshenko was jailed before her trial even ended, the reason given being “contempt of court” …and based on the above information, it’s no wonder she felt contempt towards the court!

        http://journalitico.com/2013/12/12/the-corrupt-trial-of-yulia-tymoshenko/

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  16. John Galt says:

    Burning tires and flying the Ukrainian flag in downtown St. Petersburg. Follow that, Pussy Riot.

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  17. Partyzant says:

    If you want to see a taste of what the future may hold in Ukraine (or anywhere), look no further than G Gordon Liddy’s article. “Rules of the Game” in 1989 issue of OMNI magazine.

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  18. Partyzant says:

    Hard to find a complete digital copy of this. Starts around page 42. After reading, count our collective blessings for what we have and what has not happened.
    I met the G Man himself at work in 2006. Never mind the controversy, he is an interesting cat.

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