The Slow Motion train wreck of a collapsing marriage between George and Shellie Zimmerman on Public Display…. (with police report and video)

I doubt you could intentionally script such self-destruction for both parties.  This is beyond theater of the absurd….. Obviously neither is well counseled as this public conduct will lead nowhere except to the land of ridicule and embarrassment.

(*Sorry about the train reference Thomas)    

LAKE MARY, Fla. — The investigation of a domestic dispute between George Zimmerman and his estranged wife is on hold because there is no clear evidence to charge anyone and neither side wants to press the case, a police spokesman said Wednesday.

That could change if new evidence surfaces or technicians are able to extract video that recorded the dispute from Shellie Zimmerman’s smashed iPad, said Officer Zach Hudson. Law enforcement analysts are having difficulty obtaining the video because the iPad is in bad shape, he said.

“We have concluded the investigation with what we have to work with right now,” Hudson said.

The dispute took place Monday, just days after Shellie Zimmerman filed divorce papers. In the papers, Zimmerman, 26, said she had separated from her husband a month after he was acquitted in the 2012 fatal shooting death of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin.

A police report on the dispute released Wednesday shed some light on how it started.

Shellie Zimmerman, accompanied by her father and a friend, was removing some belongings from the couple’s house when George Zimmerman, who still lives there, arrived and began taking photos of her, the report said. The house is owned by Shellie Zimmerman’s parents.

George Zimmerman recorded the items she removed from the house and also the belongings she had placed in her father’s truck, the report said.  (continue reading)

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217 Responses to The Slow Motion train wreck of a collapsing marriage between George and Shellie Zimmerman on Public Display…. (with police report and video)

  1. El Gordo Loco says:

    How soon before she releases a sex tape…she is an attention &*$#@#

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  2. Sha says:

    I have tried to stay out of this mess between George and Shellie because I don’t know what all is going on, but my heart says if they read here I need to say this to them……. First George ” if ” there is another women in your life for what ever reason I say this to YOU. Even if you go own with your life with out Shellie you need to remember she stuck by you threw the worst time of your life and supported you when most women would have ran as fast as they could for fear of there own life. She is the one stuck in Florida on probation for standing by YOU. If only for those two reasons you need to keep the relationship with someone else out of her face. Second…. This is for Shellie, Girl get your shit togeather . Any women that can stand by her man in all that you have been through is not some weak cry baby. I know if George is with another women your heart is breaking and you are hurting but you are doing nothing but making moves that are not only hurting him but YOU. I have been in your shoes early in my marriage so I will say this…… Hold your head up high get your life togeather and let no man define who you are just because you love him. You have two ways to go, You fight for George or you move on and see how well he takes seeing you with someone else and going on with out him. Stay away from the enemies( the press and book writer) that you are trying to make your friends they will use you and destroy you and you will regret making a deal with the devil. Most of all remember BOTH of you have family that love you both, and are stuck in the middle of this mess that the two of you are making , they are affected by your action just as much as you are. I wish you both well and wont nothing but the best for you both with that said Both of you get you shit togeather there are enough people out there that wont to hurt you with out you turning on each other. Some relationships work out some don’t but life will go on for both of you. Don’t ever get to a point in your life where hate and anger guides your every move it will destroy you .

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    • Bongo says:

      Shellie is the one who filed for divorce. Why shouldn’t George move on with his life?

      BTW, they didn’t notice the blonde lady in the truck until after the incident inside the house had finished and George went back to his truck.

      This was not about “the blonde lady in the truck”.

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      • Sha says:

        Bongo : If George is sure that his and Shellies life togeather is over then he should move on with his life and I wont him to be happy . I just believe they have been through alot and neither is thinking very clearly about anything beyond the moment they are in. As far as ” the blonde lady” goes I don’t know who she is or anything about her but I do know this…….. If Shellie didn’t still have feelings for George she wouldn’t have fliped out over her.

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      • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

        @Bingo
        If you watch the surveillance video it certainly looks like Shellie looked inside the cab.
        In which case Shellie knew about the woman before she yelled Oh My God.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Great post Sha. I hope they both read it.

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    • whiteradish says:

      Seeing how she was the instigator, before and after the house incident, messing around with the pre-arranged agreement to pick items up, not bothering to use her allotted time properly, tail-gating him like she was happy he finally showed up, does not indicate an easy woman to get along with after his trial ordeal. Money is the root of all evil. George potentially has lots of it from donations to help secure body guard and live safely with an entire nation against him. Have you read tweets about GZ after each Shelley *incident* reported in the news? His life is very much in danger, moreso now. The GZ haters hate Shelley even more too. She bought nothing good with her presstitude. She would be wise to stay out of the media. George does not strike me as a person who would not give her money or assist her if it was a one-way street of blame. If it is indeed George at fault then as you say, I hope he assists her with what he can to move on with her life…….money, pots and pans, what not. I sort of doubt it was singular. TheTM incident, when you keep peeling the onion, shows much more going on in each party’s state of mind, and two messed up people met in unfortunate circumstances 2.26. One was more aggressive and this is how it ended. Same with the domestic dispute. It’s unfortunate that the next *drama* had to involve his wife. The good guy sometimes never wins, even when trying to be high road, trying to help his neighbor while being in a diswrought state of mind. He just gets pushed and pushed. I don’t get the feeling Shelley was the best influence on him while married. It wasn’t a balanced relationship. I honestly think Trayvon and GZ are victims of a kind and ended up taking it out on each other on an unfortunate dismal night for both. For this I still blame $abryna because her negligence with TM began early. As a result his fate was more severe. Not that I’m blaming the females, I must stress that. It could have been reversed. This is just a microcosm. I do feel for Shelley if she was scorned but it doesn’t pan out 100%.

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      • Sha says:

        whiteradish: I don’t twitter but I do pop in on it every now in then to check things out . I haven’t been on it in a while so I haven’t looked at anything lately. I don’t know who is at fault in this situation I just know I hate to see people try to hurt each other because things didn’t work out .

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      • Polk8dot says:

        @ ‘. If it is indeed George at fault then as you say, I hope he assists her with what he can to move on with her life…….money,”
        According to a news story, she gets $4K a month from George, through his ‘Defense Fund’, to cover her living expenses, which includes paying her house/apartment rental and car rental separate from George’s (about $1800, it said), and that leaves her over $2K a month for regular expenses like shopping therapy etc.
        I read that she was offended that people questioned WHY she still takes money from George if she separated from him, and then filed for divorce. Her attitude was that BECAUSE OF HIM she dropped out of her Nursing school 2 months before graduation, and as such is now unable to get a job, so it is only fair for him to have to support her. Yeah? For how long? Is she planning on ever getting a job?
        Excuse me, but who drops out with only 2 MONTHS LEFT??? I am certain that the school would have accommodated her security needs, via single sessions, home assignments etc. Alternately, you apply for conditional leave (they want your money, they will work with you), and come back when things have died down, or finish it all via night classes/online program. YOU DO NOT DROP OUT!!!! Not with 2 months left!!!

        So to me it says that there was something going on with this part of her life, too, and she used the trial hoopla to excuse her own actions/reactions, in expectation of future easy income from publicity. If she cared about the career and getting a job, she could easily have taken care of that.
        But she CHOSE to just vacillate at home for 18 months now, and no wonder they’ve found out that being together 24hrs a day is not really acceptable for them. They have every right to want to split up, either one of them. But for her to still then use him as her crutch, a personal money bank, is just not fair. You can get used to an easy life style very quickly, and she clearly has been supplied and secure monetarily because of the Fund, and she is evidently not having any qualms about using people’s good hearted donations for her daily living expenses and shopping sprees. That’s what rubs me the wrong way.

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    • sunnydaze77 says:

      Shellie was not supposed to be there that day, they had arrangements on when who was going to pick up their stuff, and that was Georges day…….imo she went there to intentionally start drama.

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  3. joshua levin says:

    where are all the bleeding hearts explaining why Trayvon’s “parents” did not stay together, how daddy Martin had MANY affairs and girlfriends, and how momma Martin (first wife) did not even raise her son Trayvon.

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  4. joshua levin says:

    huffpo black voices is having a ball with this, as is HLP tv looking for controversial black vs. white content and tabloid drama.

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  5. I have not seen any mention anywhere of George having a divorce attorney or someone to represent him in legal matters that may stem from the divorce or from post trial death threats.

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  6. That was the most self-serving, ridiculous press conference ever. The attorney obviously entertains the notion that he’s a comedian as well as in impersonator – neither of which he does well. All of his references to “jumping in the bat mobile” and “Dirty Harry”, etc. was over the top. He starts off by placing the blame on himself – “I’m sorry Shellie. I should not have advised against you asking the police to go with you.” Why would she ask the police to go with her when she had just been there without incident? Nothing from the her “scheduled” day led her to believe there would be a problem, so why the next time? I doubt that even occurred. Secondly, he points out that it was her “marital” residence and owned by her father whom they were renting from. Well, when she “left” and George remained living there, it became his residence as he is STILL living there and she’s not. By his own admission, George stayed away on “her day” to pick stuff up. She then tied up his afternoon the next day and ended up not going at all. The next day she ties up the entire day starting at 9:40 a.m. Supposedly she had gotten most of her stuff on Saturday, so I would imagine George had no reason to think she would need hours on Monday to finish. He waits for 3 hours then asks if she’s done yet. When he realizes she’s still there I’m sure he wondered what in the world she was taking that was taking her this long to accomplish. I know I would.

    He makes a big deal out of the fact that he had his 400 lb. body guard with him – I imagine he has his 400 lb. body guard with him most of the time. Besides, he knew that Shellie had her father and another male “helper” there and should things get out of hand he would be on his own. It sounds like he was trying to get pictures of stuff Shellie had loaded up in the truck and trailer that were items not agreed to. She even says he refused to “speak” but kept taking pictures – sounds like someone who was attempting to avoid confrontation while protecting his interests.

    He then makes a huge deal out of the packaging for the holster. That may or may not have belonged to George and it doesn’t matter. It may very well belong to his bodyguard. As to the woman in the truck, that could simply be a friend, the bodyguard’s friend, etc.

    George had been kept away from his home and his belongings, again, all day. Sims makes it seem that George broke their “agreement” to stay away while Shellie got her stuff, but her day was Saturday. Monday was George’s day and she had already used up most of it.

    Additionally, he claims she did not hit George with the iPad and the lack of a “mark” on his back proves it because an iPad is not a soft object. No, it’s not. But it would also depend on “how” she hit him with it. If she “slammed” it flat against his back it would have the same effect as any other flat object – more a stinging slap – which very well may not leave a mark. If she hit him with a corner of it, that may or may not leave a mark, depending on how hard she hit him. It is certainly “convenient” that the time this allegedly took place coincides with the period that Shellie claims her “camera had turned off and she then restarted it.” So, while this is going on, no recording.

    Sim alludes to the fact that the only reason George would have for wanting to destroy the iPad would be to destroy evidence of wrongdoing on his part. I would disagree. My guess is that George knew that whatever was on the iPad, good, bad or indifferent, was about to be all over the National Enquirer or worse – Nancy Grace, Jane Valez Mitchell, a book deal, GMA, etc.

    You can clearly see in the surveillance video that Shellie was prancing all around George with the iPad in his face. She continued this the entire time he was there. She told him she was done and he was locking up his house – why didn’t they leave at that point? Instead, this is when the alleged altercation occurred. Even then, when Shellie is supposedly so afraid for their lives, she, her father and the helper follow George down the driveway and to his vehicle. A person who is in fear for their lives, in fear of being shot at any moment, does not follow the potential “shooter” as he’s walking away.

    Nothing adds up here and this attorney is simply trying to do damage control. Shellie made a mountain out of a molehill on Monday and that’s the fact. IF there was an altercation, she had a huge role in instigating it. I would imagine that whatever is on that video is going to be equally negative to both of them. As everyone has stated, emotions were running high, which is typical in a separation and impending divorce and particularly when dividing up property. He may have said some things that weren’t nice and didn’t want that out there for public consumption. Or, he may have had reason to believe that other personal information might be stored on the iPad he didn’t want given to reporters, authors, rags, etc. It does not mean that he was trying to hide incriminating evidence.

    Then this attorney kept alluding to “he’s George Zimmerman” and “that speaks for itself” because everyone knows he’s a loose cannon who goes around indiscriminately shooting people he doesn’t like or has a problem with. It is a ludicrous thing to say and Shellie should be ashamed of herself for allowing this continued defamation of him after everything he’s been through – that has absolutely nothing to do with their divorce and her hysteria on Monday. I seriously doubt, and the tape supports, that she was afraid for her life.

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    • Kitty says:

      “A person who is in fear for their lives, in fear of being shot at any moment, does not follow the potential “shooter” as he’s walking away.”

      EXACTLY! That was my first thought when I saw the security camera footage. She’s following him all over the place with that iPad. I might have smashed that damned thing if she had followed me that closely, too. I’m wondering if she said things to him while she was following him?

      If Shellie, who’s on probation, thinks George has a girlfriend, then I wouldn’t be surprised if she retaliated by making false statements to 911 about him. And if that’s true, who’s the ‘loose cannon’ now?

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    • Lulu says:

      Re the iPad, it was their iPad. Joint ownership. Not just hers. That was reported yesterday within the context that she could not accuse him of damaging her property. It was THEIR property.

      Mention has been made of her father’s glasses being on the ground. He was reported to have “torn them off” before he went after George.

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    • June G says:

      George returned unexpectedly. I wonder if he was tipped off by a neighbor who saw certain property being loaded into the Dean vehicles. In any case, he was silently documenting the property in the vehicles with his own camera, probably to protect his interest in the marital property.

      It seems that the Deans were attempting to provoke an incident by taunting George. Perhaps the cruelest taunt possible is, “Are you gonna shoot me too?” Running around and sticking the iPad in his face – and she held the device very close to him in a confrontational manner – was part of the provocation.

      I find it not credible that Shellie struck George with an expensive and fragile item like an iPad. It is more credible that he seized it from her due to anger from the provocation, which would explain why he damaged it with his hands and perhaps a knife; if she had used it as a weapon, he would have just taken it from her to “disarm” her.

      I think if she was truly frightened for her safety and regarded George as armed and dangerous, she would have insisted on the presence of the police.

      Although GZ was found not guilty of the murder, and even though they may believe GZ acted in self-defense, it would not be surprising if nevertheless the Dean Family still resented him for causing the mess in the first place, however irrational that is in fact. They lived together as a couple during the months in which they were in hiding, and it is likely Shellie knew George was prepared to use his firearm to protect them if their hiding place was discovered by someone with bad intentions – after all, the New Black Panther Party idiots had put some kind of bounty on him. This preparation for self-defense may, in her currently heightened emotional state, be twisted into meaning that George is trigger happy and a danger to her and the public.

      It appears that Shellie, at the advice of her lawyer, is now playing up the “armed and dangerous” card in order to prevail in this case. The lawyer certainly is having fun with it, having made various taunting statements. “She wants her marriage to end with a whimper, not with a bang,” is meant to portray George as a dangerous hothead, which is how the Martin Scheme Team sought to portray him. This is vengefulness, a scorched earth policy. Perhaps they are doing this for publicity, to set up the book deal.

      In a sane world, they would both be taking OMara’s advice – to stay away from each other. What in the world do they own between them that is worth this anguish? Better to just walk away from everything.

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      • Absolutely – agreed on everything you said. I, too, wondered if she would hit him with an iPad – a “delicate” electronic device which could be ruined by being jarred that way. Perhaps she hit him with her hand and he thought it was with iPad – it was obviously on his back, so his back was to her. Or maybe she didn’t hit him at all and he just said that as justification for destroying the iPad. Whatever the case, you can hardly blame him for destroying it. She was obviously antagonizing him – it’s plainly shown on the surveillance tape.

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      • LandauMurphyFan says:

        George returned unexpectedly. Not really, June. As per txconservativemomof2 (and various others I have read, including MOM’s statement), the timeline went like this:

        George stayed away on “her day” to pick stuff up [i.e., Saturday]. She then tied up his afternoon the next day and ended up not going at all. The next day she ties up the entire day starting at 9:40 a.m. Supposedly she had gotten most of her stuff on Saturday, so I would imagine George had no reason to think she would need hours on Monday to finish. He waits for 3 hours then asks if she’s done yet. When he realizes she’s still there I’m sure he wondered what in the world she was taking that was taking her this long to accomplish. I know I would.

        It wasn’t exactly a bolt from the blue for her when he turned up. IMO, she wasn’t going to leave until she’d accomplished her REAL mission for the day, which was to provoke him and set him up.

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        • “IMO, she wasn’t going to leave until she’d accomplished her REAL mission for the day, which was to provoke him and set him up.”
          That’s my feeling exactly.

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          • And, just to prove how much she was trying to “provoke” and “inconvenience” him, she sends him a message at 9:43 telling him she’s 20 minutes away (and so, per agreement, that’s when he probably left his house) then, at 11:34 he ask’s if she’s done yet to which she responds, “I’m almost there, haven’t entered yet” – so a full 2 hours later she’s still not there, when she had said she was on her way and would be there in 20 minutes. George then says, “Okay, please let me know when you’re done.” He then waits until approximately 2:00 to show back up at HIS house after she’s kept him away, again, all day. Yes, she was there and not planning on leaving until they had a confrontation of some kind.

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    • Does George even have an attorney representing him?

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      • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

        I do not think he has one at the moment — hopefully some people on this forum and others are making good recommendations for him.

        Overall I do not think the divorce will be complicated but he needs a slolid attorney to protect him from the Joker/Shyster and Shelliekins. There are some nasty things that can go down. Shelliekins demand for a permanent life insurance policy. Getting a restraining order for nothing and having to give up his weapons. Or winding up with a judge ordering 90% of the procedings from NBC to go to Shelliekins.

        I would think MOM would be there just to make sure that George has enough to pay him something after the divorce.

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    • canadacan says:

      Shelly told the 911 operator that she was ,”right up in his grill”.
      Texas mom your assessment is spot on. you have a good legal mind and an understanding of human nature.
      Prancing around is exactly what she was doing, I saw that video. He wouldn’t talk to her and she was getting in his face. Something like poking a bear with a stick and then you wonder why the bear retaliates.

      She had pushed it to the limit as far as her allotted time was concerned and and he didn’t want to dignify it with a verbal response.

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    • whiteradish says:

      You are Sherlock and Watson, together in one mind, astute as ever. We require you to stay healthy, for our own mental health :). Your clear examination of the facts was very reparative for those of us more inclined to emote a bit. I could not watch the entire press conference vid. The lawyer was so over the top and ingratiating, he could not sell a gadget in a mall to any one.

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  7. LetJusticePrevail" says:

    Thanks for providing the police report. As I learned during the original case, the objective evidence (found there) is always more accurate than what is written or said by the media.

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    • nivico says:

      I will never again see or hear the term ‘objective evidence’ and not think of Crumb 🙂

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    • Did you notice that in two of her statements to the police there, Shellie told them she heard her father screaming and when she went into the garage he told her that George had hit him. Then, after her attorney was there and she was being questioned (after being Mirandized) she told the officer that she observed George hit her father. Another inconsistency in her statements to the cops is she tells one that she arrived to get her stuff and shortly after George showed up. In another statement she estimates the time between her arrival and his arrival as 3 hours – there’s a big difference “shortly after I arrived” and “3 hours after I arrived”. Her statements were inconsistent in many ways that I don’t think can be attributed to nerves, etc. There is a HUGE difference between being told someone was hit and seeing it with your own eyes.

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  8. Lulu says:

    I am struck by several things. First, John Donnelly has been quoted as saying that George immediately began an “affair” with his ex-fiancee and now he is with another woman. Is every man’s relationship with a woman “an affair”? Aren’t men allowed to have female friends? Moreover, how did John Donnelly know this? Was this information Shellie fed him?

    The Donnellys came into George’s life in 2004. Donnelly’s wife Leanne purportedly met George when they worked in the same building in 2004. They became friends. Donnelly did a very nice job of witnessing to George’s character in the trial. But now he and his wife seem intent on tearing George down publicly. I find this to be very odd. Not what friends do.

    The agendas of so many involved in this are suspect: Shellie. The Donnellys. Lawyer Sims. George is still entangled in a very sticky web, IMO.

    Shellie’s lawyer is a strange duck. Have a look at his website.
    http://www.kbsimslaw.com/

    A prowl around his website discloses a single practitioner with a legal secretary and an office manager who tries to sound like king of the (legal) world. There’s a lot of publicity to be had in a case involving the Zimmermans.

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    • Lulu says:

      I posted this before I watched the presser and read the account of it immediately above my post.

      Lawyer Sims’s education consists of a degree from a Florida law college and some education in broadcasting that preceded the law degree. Sounds as though he is aiming for a career as a legal pundit. His website is bizarre. Talk about overblown. No one man could cover the legal bases this guy claims to cover and also teach other lawyers? Be serious…

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      • judylwhelan says:

        Lulu, I am curious about who initiated Sims involvement with Shellie in the first place. How did they find each other. Did MOM recommend him to Shellie or did that connection come from BGI? The plea deal obviously swept MOM’s responsibility in Shellie’s perjury way under the rug. The legal pundit aspirations would have been a perfect “carrot” for MOM to offer Sims connections to and a commonality they share..his broadcasting education shows an interest in the field..such a tangled web.

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      • June G says:

        This is her DIVORCE lawyer?

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    • sandymich says:

      The Donnelly’s mentioned that GZ has not contacted them since the trial. What do you think about that?

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      • Lulu says:

        Hurt feelings on their part?

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        • sandymich says:

          I meant more on the part of GZ

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          • Lulu says:

            Dunno. It hasn’t been that long. Maybe George knows something we don’t – that they have moved into Shellie’s camp and are critical of him. There is a lot that we don’t know. And isn’t that as it should be? The Donnellys are too enamored of the media and the media – especially the Mail – is loving that. The Scheme Team is probably lloving it, too.

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            • “The Scheme Team is probably lloving it, too.”
              Don’t you know it?! And someone speaking negatively about George will get the media attention – not someone speaking positively. There’s only room for one of those and his buddy Taaffe has that role sewn up.

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          • In a breakup, the one that runs their mouth gets “their story” out there (whether it’s true or not) The one that keeps private stuff private ends up looking like the guilty/bad one. Sad.

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          • flaladybug says:

            I might be COMPLETELY off base….but maybe one reason George is avoiding his family and friends is so they won’t have to wear bullet proof vests each time they step outside in case some nut job decides to take a shot and misses George. I noticed MOM retrieve what appeared to be a bullet proof vest from his trunk as soon as he arrived on scene…possibly for George or possibly for him. Either way I would personally try and protect those I care about from harm in anyway I could….even if it seems illogical for those involved. JMHO

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    • I was married to a lawyer and his best friend was a district circuit judge. I’ve been in and around them for a long, long time and I can tell you this – most of them are something to behold (and I do not mean that in a good way.) With the size of their egos, I’m surprised they can fit, side by side, through the rotunda of the courthouse. They see themselves as intellectually elite and above the “common man” and, in a sense, they are correct by their own design – try muddling through a few well written contracts. The good ones are excellent wordsmiths and gifted in gab – and they generally steer towards trial work for that reason. I can remember watching my husband do “face exercises” on talking to himself in the mirror on trial days – “It’s showtime!” and the like.

      Sims is obviously looking for some time in the spotlight. What, exactly, WAS the point in his press conference? I could only see two explanations – the first being the obvious damage control for Shellie’s over the top hysterical summoning of half of the Lake Mary PD for nothing and the other being getting his face on the news.

      Sims seemed almost in “awe” of working, however loosely, with the “Zimmermans” – how many times did he refer to the enormity of that name and the propensity to draw the press associated with it? He was silly. I can imagine that he’s a real joy to work for. I worked for an attorney once, as a paralegal, who actually called me into a meeting in his office – a lecture – on consistently putting the paper clip the same way on papers. I thought he was joking. He was anything but. I bought him a giant paper clip (about 3 feet tall, metal and mounted on a piece of wood) for his Christmas gift that year. Yes, they can be a strange bunch.

      Sims was very magnanimous, though, as he offered to help the Lake Mary PD with procuring a “federal source” to extract the video – “call me” Then his slam against them when he asked the audience at the press conference if they had received the “evidence packet” they had sent over to the Lake Mary PD and responding “about right” (or something of the sort) when told they had not. He then attempted a save, saying “Lake Mary is a lovely community I pass through each day.” His mouth spoke before his brain could stop it! .

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  9. no agenda says:

    I feel for both Shellie and George.

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  10. Lulu says:

    Good grief. Her father is named in the police report as David Bryant Dean. Could this be the same David Bryant Dean:

    Investigators said Bloch supplied stolen vehicles and equipment to David Bryant Dean, who used them for his Longwood landscaping business.

    Dean, 36, received a year of house arrest and 10 years of probation last week after pleading guilty to dealing in stolen property and five counts of grand theft. (Snip)

    Their thefts amounted to between $250,000 and $300,000, but they had a falling out over money, said Assistant Statewide Prosecutor Michael LaFay.

    Dean and Bloch began threatening each other and tattling on one another by reporting the thefts to the vehicles’ owners, Lafay said. That helped deputies put finishing touches on an investigation they had been conducting for almost a year, LaFay said.

    ”They would just get madder and madder at each other,” he said.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1991-02-12/news/9102120749_1_bloch-lafay-weirich

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    • June G says:

      The location and age of Dean match. Yikes.

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    • judylwhelan says:

      That could fit a profile…. connected is the first level in the gangster Mafia hierarchy, according to the movie Donnie Brasco. In that movie, Al Pacino explains that there are four levels of Mafia guy: Connected guy, Made Guy (aka Wiseguy), Skipper, and Boss. Connected Guy is a guy who is vouched for by a Made Guy. He is referred to as “a friend of mine” by said Made Guy, but is not yet part of the Mafia.
      “Hey, don’t piss off any of Rizzo’s friend, he’s a connected guy.

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      • canadacan says:

        I had read before that Mr Dean was a convicted felon. not only is he dishonest but apparently he has an anger management problem apparently his wife has some kind of drug abuse problem( I don’t have the source for that but I know I’m right).
        Compare that with Gladys and Robert Zimmerman senior. Different kinds of people that is a certainty. at the risk of being nasty and judgmental ,Shelly as far as I’m concerned lacks class. I don’t care how much money her daddy has. there is no doubt in my mind has been paying Kelly Sims

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    • froggielegs says:

      Wow was just looking at that case on the court’s website. Lovely guy.

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  11. Ugh says:

    Mr. Sims at least tries to defend his client, unlike some other(mom) lawyers.

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  12. auscitizenmom says:

    {Sigh}

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  13. Does George even have legal representation since MOM took a job with CNN?

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    • Lulu says:

      According to an earlier report, MOM said he would not be representing GZ in anything involving Shellie because he knew them as a family and didn’t want to be between them. That makes sense. He is still representing GZ in defamation suit.

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  14. dws says:

    Uh? WTH? I’m just almost incapable of speech after watching the beginning of that video. Can this get any stranger? Shellie wanted to have the cops accompany her to get her stuff from the house? Why not full body armor, attack dogs, and a hazmat suit in case of a chemical weapons attack? And if that wasn’t crazy enough, the lawyer is as much of a drama queen as she is. I want to apologize to Shellie (nod), the police, blah blah blah. I thought he was going to include his 5th grade teacher in the list. Can these people just shut the hell up?

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    • dws says:

      And really? Is it just me or is her “He’s taking pictures!” eerily similar to the “If George hadn’t followed Trayvon”, “If George hadn’t gotten out f the car” excuses. As if following someone or getting out of your car justifies an assault. As if “taking pictures” justifies a 911 call, squad cars and helicopters. Why didn’t this woman work for Team Crump?

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      • And she’s ‘entitled’ to follow George closely taking video of him, but he can’t take photos of STUFF she’s taking?
        I kind of wish he’d just let her have the stuff – none of it’s worth dealing with her or being in the news for one more minute. 😦

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        • June G says:

          Shoulda – I strongly agree. George needs to flee these crazy people. Nothing is worth this.

          George is screwed. He loses either way – by fighting a crazy woman and her crazy family and staying in the public eye or worse, or walking away. Walking away is less painful, with more predictable outcome for him.

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    • dws says:

      Her lawyer drives “the batmobile” and calls her “Shelliekins” (5:45)? Is this guy really a lawyer?

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      • kathyca says:

        I had to go back and listen because I doubted (no offense) that he called her Shelliekins. But he absolutely did. Florida really does seem to have the market cornered on inappropriate lawyers. I have never, ever heard a lawyer call their client by a childish pet name in any setting – public or private.

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        • dws says:

          Yup. I had to listen to it repeatedly and turn the volume up all the way, not because it isn’t clear, but because I couldn’t believe what I heard. He could be a new SNL character, “The Inappropriate Lawyer”. And for all his talk of “de-escalating” he never misses an opportunity to use every inflammatory phrase such as “everyone is always attacking George” and “she wants her marriage to go out with a whimper, not a BANG” and on and on. He could work on his “de-escalating” skills. Maybe Shelliekins can help him in the batmobile.

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        • ctdar says:

          It’s a term of endearment. Sims is on the case for her & the future $, maybe the book broker.

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        • flaladybug says:

          OMG…..I’m glad I’m not the only one who caught that….thought I must be losing it!! It’s eerily close to the Crump/Fulton love-in we saw repeatedly. May be completely wrong, and if I am I apologize, but after seeing the two of them on video several times they seem to have developed a romantic, or at the very least, a highly unethical / unprofessional relationship. They certainly seem to have some sort of inappropriate intimacy for a lawyer / client relationship.

          One other thing, he said he told Shellie that news crews and helicopters would be there when he advised her she didn’t need a police escort…..how did he know that? Why would they have been there? They wouldn’t have any way of knowing what was happening or even where this was if no escort had been requested….they seemed to have been tipped off which is why I still think this was a SET-UP!!

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      • whiteradish says:

        Her lawyer drives the batty mobile. Holy Shelliekins!

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    • dws says:

      This whole press conference is disgusting. I think it is pretty obvious why George was there after she reschedules, comes a different day, says she will be there in 20 minutes but 2 hours later when George asks if she is done yet, SHE HASN’T EVEN ARRIVED YET! And he is supposed to be gone during all of her games? This picture is getting really clear.

      And her lawyer has to extend this divorce drama into insinuating things about George and the Trayvon case every chance he gets. But Shellie doesn’t want drama. Of course not.

      But what is interesting is when listing what Shellie didn’t want, it included not wanting to see her Dad arrested (18:01)? Hmmmm.

      And the lawyers message? “Your life can take a terrible terrible turn if you back the wrong horse.’ W T H

      “We don’t want to prostitute (24:11).” God always reveals liars through their own words.

      This guy gives all lawyers a bad name.

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  15. ctdar says:

    Lawyer seems very close to SZ, it sounded like he called her “Shellikins” @546 in?

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    • kathyca says:

      Treated her like a precious snowflake. Really over the top – not in a good way. At the end he takes her by the hand to lead her away from the microphones like she’s six years old. I could go on and on about that performance, but I’ll spare everyone 🙂

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  16. Murse says:

    Shelly deserves to be arrested and charged for filing a false police report.

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  17. LittleLaughter says:

    Please make it stop. {{Heavy Sigh}}

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  18. LittleLaughter says:

    I’m just dumbfounded that anyone who had been subjected to the slaughtering by media would do anything to chum the waters again. Shellie going to the very people who dismantled their lives is nothing short of reckless and stupid. She believed she would use the media to advance her own self serving agenda, but as usual, the media has used her, chewed her up, and spit her out on the front lawn of that presser. After the last 16 months, you’d think even a child would have anticipated that.

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    • nivico says:

      Her attorney Sims explains that there is no real marital property to speak of and she isn’t entitled to alimony…

      …so I’m gonna go out on a limb here and guess she isn’t sharing all of this private info with the media for free.

      That said, I would have broken the iPad, too, if I were George because the video she was filming was likely going to end up on the ABC evening news.

      And reading between the lines of what Sims was stating in the presser, it sounds like Shellie had already discussed the legalities of her filming the incident… an incident that hadn’t yet happened. Think about that…

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      • No material property…. plenty of ‘intellectual property’ (book deal, interviews, maybe a bit of fame or a CNN spot for her lawyer) by CREATED drama.

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        • kathyca says:

          Also, I been wondering whether the potential proceeds of the defamation lawsuit could be sole and separate property. Looks like they are to the extent they’re intended specifically to compensate for future damage, but not damage incurred during the marriage. Absent a “special damage” award for specific future economic loss provably related to the defamation, I think maybe most of the award would part of the marital estate and subject to “equitable” distribution. Good reason to “stand by your man?”

          FLORIDA: White v. White, 705 So. 2d 123 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1998).
          The husband’s unrebutted testimony that his personal injury settlement was to compensate for future injuries, losses, and damages established that the entire settlement was his separate property.

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          • kathyca says:

            omg…*I’ve. smh

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          • flaladybug says:

            What was the term he used….”rehabilitational alimony “…..something to that effect. WTH does that mean? Maybe that’s what he was alluding to……IDK 😦

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            • kathyca says:

              Usually that would refer to alimony to provide support while a person trains or retrains themselves to obtain employment when they gave up that training or employment for long enough to be effectively out of the market and incapable of independent support without it. Doesn’t seem like that would apply in Shellie’s case except MAYBE to the extent she couldn’t finish her nursing degree because of George’s situation. But in this context, I think Sims is trying to tie that type of alimony (usually provided to a stay at home mom who’s been out of the workforce to raise kids for decades, for example) to the defamation situation — definitely. No way this lawyer or Shellie is just walking away from that potential pay day imo.

              Once again, follow the benjamins. Sadly, that’s typically all you really need to know.

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  19. June G says:

    Is provoking GZ to violence an aspect of the legal strategy to prevail in the dissolution of marriage? Is the strategy for her defense from her irrational actions going to be “fear of George, the man who got away with murder”? Is her lawyer now her agent, positioning her for a book deal? Shellie seems to be getting media coaching, with her hair, makeup, clothing…. She, and now this lawyer, are playing to the cameras.

    When she filed for divorce, presumably she was contacted by the media for an interview, which she prepared for carefully and gave. If she, and her lawyer, cared for her privacy, she could easily have said “no”. Do we know that she was contacted by the media after filing, or did she contact the media to give her side of the story?

    Crap like this stupid encounter – confrontations, yelling, taunting, shoving, grabbing objects, breaking things – goes on all the time, because divorce can be so contentious and bring out the worst in people. Shellie seems to be poised to prevail in all, with a latent threat to crucify him in the media.

    If George had sense, he would move far away and start a new life, and lay very low, and give the public a chance to forget about him. Nothing in their shared assets is worth continuing to have contact with the crazy Dean family and risking, at best drama in public, or some kind of awful incident.

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    • Well, seeing as how this attorney LOVES the spotlight, I’m guessing he contacted the media to set the stage for the impending filing of the Petition for Divorce. I’m all but certain that she had already contacted him before that interview took place. I would guess he then positioned her (and thus him further down the road) for the best coverage of the takers. He is no doubt in it for the notoriety and money. And all of his “Shelliekins” and affectionate nonsense is fake “support” and “I’m your buddy” stuff.

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  20. eastern2western says:

    all hype, but no substance. same as the whole trial because the whole thing was a set up from the beginning. basically, all of the local news helicopters arrived at the same time to Shellie’s house must be due to an advance tip from the lawyer.

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  21. Bongo says:

    George Zimmerman is now on notice his soon to be ex-wife is to be considered as the enemy just as much as The Scheme Team, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric (Gun Runner) Holder and President Obama are his enemy.

    He needs to document each and every communication with Shellie and, if possible, always have a witness with him when in her presence. He should stay away from her in any case. He needs to pretend there’s a restraining order against him or there soon will be.

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  22. LandauMurphyFan says:

    I found it interesting that one of the attending officers states (p.10), “Due to the lack of physical evidence, independent witnesses and conflicting statements, no charges will be filed on [GZ] for battery domestic violence. Battery charges against [SZ] and David are not being filed due to the refusal to prosecute waivers signed by both parties.”

    Another attending officer says (p.11), “Due to the lack of physical evidence, independent witnesses corroborating testimony at this time, I do not feel that this case warrants Battery charges against [GZ]. There was no claim of assault or battery on [very long redaction, presumably SZ and David], therefore there will be no charges filed at this time against either party.”

    So while both officers clearly state that (again!) there is NO EVIDENCE to warrant charges against GZ, they both agree that the reason they’re not charging SZ and her father is that GZ isn’t pressing charges.

    That sounds to me like they have SZ’s number. No doubt they’ve attended numerous DV scenes before and can read the signs pretty quickly.

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    • whiteradish says:

      As someone said here, Shelley and her father should be relieved George did not press charges.

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    • kathyca says:

      Based on the police report, it looks like Shellie’s dad went after George and someone (can’t remember which someone) intervened and THAT person is the one who accidentally popped Shellie’s dad with an elbow. So the only actual arguable aggression documented in the police report is Shellie’s dad toward George, and a third-party toward Shellie’s dad. At least that’s my understanding.

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  23. eastern2western says:

    at 400 dollars an hour, shellie better watch her times with lawyer simms. dude does not seem cheap to me. With her old debt, she is aggregating more numbers to her credit history.

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  24. whiteradish says:

    Okay! Seems the father is a deviant. I’m so glad I don’t have to harp on the female *villains* any more. George was renting from him and what a big house it is. The source of income stopped after what, 1-2 months notice? There was no lease? George leaves Shelley out of frustration being dogged by her for multiple things probably: why did you have to get out of the car, you should pay my nursing debt because you caused me problems, so on perhaps. The courtroom video of the acquittal announcement was odd. If it were my family, I would have leapt across the chairs and barriers and hug the poor redeemed. Maybe the courtroom restricts this. Even so, I’d be waving at George, pulling out victory flags.

    The lawn of the house was incredibly well trimmed and landscaped. Were the *witnesses* – landscapers working for dad or city workers?

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  25. Lulu says:

    I had been wondering where Shellie’s mother was throughout all of this. Here’s a story on her from August 2012.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-s-mother-in-law-charged-with-DUI/-/1637132/16249684/-/10bhp5az/-/index.html

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  26. froggielegs says:

    Shellie’s father said to George, “Are you going to shoot me too?”

    That tells me that her family in no way ever supported George and I doubt, Shellie truly did either. I don’t buy that he only said it out of anger because the true feelings always comes out when you are angry. If he felt that way about George, you can bet he had Shellie feeling the same way all along. Sorry I think the only reason Shellie stuck around during all this was for the lawsuits. I don’t think she should have any right to any money won by George as the lawsuits are not about her they are about him only!

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    • whiteradish says:

      Shellie’s lawyer said to the press, something to the effect (I loathe to replay the press video), we want this to end with a whimper not a “bang”. Jeeesus. Let’s just keep stirring the pot, why don’t we, for the media? Drum up more hate for GZ. He’s already weak. When you don’t love your husband and were ready to leave him, it’s always a “sacrefice” to stick around. The typical dispute is, “I did such and such for you, now you OWE me”. You can start by paying off all my debts now that you are acquitted. I could have gone to the prosecution and gave them information about you. But I didn’t, did I? You OWE ME. Right, daddy? It’s typical. The marriage was in shreds already, and there was a carrot.

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      • froggielegs says:

        After watching the pressed it all became clear to me why Shellie is asking for George to have a life insurance policy with her as the beneficiary. Just as you said. Make George hated even more and hope someone kills him for you.

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        • ctdar says:

          Life insurance might be stipulated as to pay off all debt, like a lien holder & her asking for it might be just to add more fuel to the fire/book possibility.

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      • “You can start by paying off all my debts now that you are acquitted. I could have gone to the prosecution and gave them information about you. But I didn’t, did I? You OWE ME. Right, daddy? ”

        I had not even thought about that angle, but let’s remember – the DOJ is still doing an investigation. How much harm might Shellie do George there? If she is set on being vindictive (and she seems to be) that would be a good way to go about it.

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        • sangell says:

          Not a good idea because she would have already been questioned ( under oath) by DoJ investigators and were she to now change her testimony it wouldn’t be of much use to the Feds and might also get her another perjury charge.

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          • kathyca says:

            I haven’t looked into is specifically, but I’m not sure the DOJ could have required her to make any statements under oath due to the marital privilege.

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          • LandauMurphyFan says:

            …and might also get her another perjury charge

            Pfffft – who’s gonna charge her with perjury if her testimony helps put GZ in prison? Silly sangell. You don’t think the actual law applies to the DOJ, do you? In a case involving a Zimmerman?

            Of course, it might be a little embarrassing for the Feds to pursue a case where their only witness is an admitted perjurer, but heck, they can rise above a little embarrassment in a good cause, doncha think?

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    • About his college and future career and ability to support himself in the manner he’d planned.

      I agree.
      GZ is lucky to be done with this entire family.

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  27. aliashubbatch says:

    I’d still gladly call George a friend.

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  28. Lulu says:

    They always had money problems and Shellie does not appear to have worked after their marriage, when she began schooling:

    SANFORD — George and Shellie Zimmerman struggled with money problems. The year they married, he was sued, accused of failing to pay a credit-card bill. Three years later, she was sued for the same thing.

    Both were in and out of community college, records show, and spent their first years together in a home owned by her parents. (Snip)

    George Michael Zimmerman married Shellie Nicole Dean in November 2007 in Daytona Beach, according to public records. He was 24. She was 20 and a cosmetologist who specialized in facials.

    She enrolled at Seminole State College — formerly Seminole Community College — in the fall of 2008 and left the school in the fall of 2010, their records show.

    Olivia Bertalan, a neighbor the couple helped after a burglary, described Shellie Zimmerman as a “stay-at-home student.”

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-13/news/os-shellie-zimmerman-profile-20120613_1_therealgeorgezimmerman-com-family-finances-george-zimmerman

    It doesn’t sound as though Lawyer Sims’s intention to gain rehabilitative alimony will fly. George supported her throughout her time in college, which appears to have ended in late 2010, more than a year before the TM incident (unless there is an error in the article).

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    • whiteradish says:

      So she wasn’t only a course away from completing nursing school, she had quit long ago. This is what I read.

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      • Lulu says:

        Her being home alone after the home invasion burglary in the Retreat – burglars broke into a home where a woman was home alone with her child – was one of the reasons given for George’s doing Neighborhood Watch.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        She was enrolled at a college in another county at the time of the shooting and was doing her clinicals at a hospital in another county while George was in hiding out of state. After his arrest she dropped out at that time. She was pretty close to being done, I don’t know exactly how many weeks or months she had left. She was preparing to take her boards so it must have been in the near future.

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    • eastern2western says:

      If they have always had money problems, then how come George drives a 30k ridgeline and shellie has an ipad. Those things are not toys for poor people.

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      • Lulu says:

        Used Honda Ridgelines are quite affordable as are refurbished iPads. The latter reportedly belonged to both of them. It could have been a family gift. Is this important?

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      • sandymich says:

        IIRC, they are both upside down big time on their vehicles.

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      • MouseTheLuckyDog says:

        They may have had money problems, but Sheelie-kins dad doesn’t.
        He owns 4 houses totaling $240,00 in value. Learning that some things suddenly made sense.
        Shellie was complaining about living in a trailer in the woods.

        Living in their parents house made no sense. It’s a miracle nobody found out where they live and took George out. I have to wonder if it was Shellie demand that got them living in that place?

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      • LandauMurphyFan says:

        If they have always had money problems, then how come George drives a 30k ridgeline and shellie has an ipad. Those things are not toys for poor people.

        But that’s exactly WHY many people have money problems, e2w – they buy stuff they can’t afford, on credit. GZ would do well to read everything Dave Ramsey has written (“Total Money Makeover” etc). Ramsey is a committed Christian and I know several people who have applied his methods with great success.

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  29. lovemygirl says:

    Just as an illustration of how deep the Trayvon imprinting is:

    University Marching Band Spells ‘Trayvon’ On Field During Halftime ‘Salute’

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/university-marching-band-trayvon_n_3916357.html?utm_hp_ref=trayvon-martin#comments

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    • LittleLaughter says:

      I read about that when it happened. My kid wouldn’t be in that band. How many kids in that band? Think of all the parents who let their kids be a part of that. That’s how deep & wide the imprinting has gone.

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  30. froggielegs says:

    I am really kind of confused here. If Shellie was recording when George took the ipad from her, and he proceeded to rip it apart, then how is it, LE expects to find a video of the incident on the ipad? If she didn’t save the video prior to George taking the ipad then, there is no video. The LE spokesman said if Shellie hit George in the back with the ipad, then we will see it on the video. Uhmm no we won’t cause George supposedly grabbed the ipad right after she did that. Or are we to believe Shellie said, hang on George, let me save this video first.

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    • diwataman says:

      I’m assuming but I would think as it’s recording it’s being saved to the flash drive, I’m not sure as I have never used an iPad. If I also recall correctly it stopped recording at the time of the scuffle, probably when she was assaulting George with it, then tried to start recording again but George took it.

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      • froggielegs says:

        Just did a test using my Ipod touch, I started recording a video and let it run for a bit and instead of stopping it, I shut the ipod off. It made the video stop noise and the ipod turned off. When I turned it back on, the video was there. Thanks for making me think further on this. 🙂

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  31. diwataman says:

    Here’s a longer version, I think Shellie wanted to hold hands as they walked to the mics, lol.

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    • froggielegs says:

      I won’t even tell you what is going through my head with him calling her Shelliekins, walking away hand and hand and yeah it did look like she wanted to hold hands with him as they were walking out. Did you also notice he brought up the fact that since the papers have been filed for divorce, they are free to date and see anyone they want.

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    • rooferx says:

      “Wow people always coming after George”

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    • eastern2western says:

      no person can lose 30 lbs in 2 months.

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      • unitron says:

        I’ll let you know how I do.

        Unless I don’t do well, in which case this conversation never happened.

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      • Safe weight loss is under 3 lbs a week (X 9ish weeks) The heavier one is the faster it will come off in the beginning of an exercise/diet program. /end infomercial 😉

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      • justfactsplz says:

        During my move in June it was so hot as the air broke in the home we were vacating.I worked day and night cleaning, sorting, packing and sweating. I lost thirteen pounds in one month.I have only gained three pounds of tha back. I was exercising and eating very little do all of that.

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  32. justfactsplz says:

    Thank you for posting the whole thing. There is life after divorce. Shellie, i hope you have a good support system. Love and prayers.

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    • kathyca says:

      I’m quite tired of the poor Shellie meme. She could have kept her appt. to get her chit out of the house George lives in and is entitled to be at all of time unless he agrees to the contrary, and kept her big mouth shut. Instead, she’s got a book deal, media appearances, an obvious SWAT call and a fubar “press conference.” She’s become a “ho” if she wasn’t one already and it’s disgusting in my opinion. Sorry. Holding my tongue too long. Shellie is typical. She’s just like the scheme team. Part of the problem and not the solution. And so is her attorney. Right now, they’re no different to me than Crump and the rest of the persecution. Obvious truth, no agenda. I don’t think George is a saint and I don’t care about their divorce.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Maybe I should have added George in there as I care about them both but this article is about Shellie. You have a right to your opinion as do I and it should be okay for people to be able to voice different opinions. I hope they both get support and guidance to make good decisions and realize there is life after this, move on. The way I see it the one with agenda is that attorney who listened to that so called journalist.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Sorry, I was multi tasking and messed up my last sentence. Should read the attorney who listened to the journalist and talked Shellie into giving the interview. He hinted in that conference her persistence was why she got that interview.

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      • whiteradish says:

        Diwataman said it well on his site, it’s not about the case itself, it’s what it means. His quote is much better.

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    • whiteradish says:

      That fleabag lawyer is wearing a wedding ring, and he would have to divorce his wife to have a fling with Shellie, which is not really a good support system. Shellie making a play for him is *gross*. You’re trying too hard to defend a sore loser, who maybe got mad Z finally left her for someone else.

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  33. nomorebsplease says:

    Can somebody just sue these dirtbags already? Let’s go let’s go let’s go!!!

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  34. rickmadigan says:

    This is the latest article with Wesley Robinson, George’s bodyguard friend saying that Scheibe is simply a friend of both men. She lived a few minutes from the house and came along as Wes did. There is no romance with George, claims Wes. They are all friends from high school, he says.

    Wes can sing his song all day long, it doesn’t change the fact that it is poor judgment to bring a pretty little blonde along, when they knew what Shellie had been saying publically, and how she was feeling. Whether or not the 911 call happened before Shellie saw the girl is irrelevant. The purpose was to create a certain perception in Shellie that George has options open to him. Friends today, doesn’t mean they’re not kindling something, or that she’s not a FWB or FWOB, for one or both of them, but its a pretty big matzo ball hanging out there. It was very deliberate whoever came up with the idea, and it may not have been George’s idea.

    I think people know what perception they are creating in the minds of others, whether consciously, or purposely putting it out of their awareness because they don’t wanna give it too much thought, hoping that they can maintain an air of innocence afterward. How can you not know how others are going to perceive it?

    I say this not as criticism of what Wes said, but I have seen people do this sort of thing, and pretend they didn’t have any intention to harass, intimidate, provoke or rub other people’s noses in what they are so obviously doing.

    A Firefighter I knew was telling me a story of how he and other Firefighters from work decided to go to lunch together with a few friends of theirs from the Sheriffs dept. They all parked in their work vehicles at a Mexican Restaurant, and walked in as a group, in full Law enforcement and Firefighter uniforms. All the workers in the Mexican restaurant, cook, waiters, cleaners, and patrons also ran out the back door.

    The owner was livid and sued both their departments for frightening off his restaurant staff and customers. The Firefighter tells me that he thought it odd that they all ran off, after all why should they do that if they were not illegal workers? But what he didn’t seem to comprehend is that Mexican workers whether legal or not, will be scared if they see a full battalion descend upon them like that. Law enforcement often makes mistakes, and God forbid if those poor fellows didn’t have their papers on them or some such thing, they don’t wanna go through things in a system where they don’t speak the language or know the rules.

    The Firefighters and Police were purposefully thoughtless. They could have called the restaurant owner and let him know they were going to descend on him like that, but as customers, nothing more. A whole group like that walking into a place which they normally come in to bust? And in his story too, the Firefighter seemed to relish the fact that they walked in looking right smart in their sharp authoritative uniforms.

    That’s exactly what happened with George and Wes and Scheibe, they simply happened to ask Scheibe to come along when Shellie had told George of at least one girl, to not bring her to the house.

    Wes or George, someone should have thought about the perception they were creating, with Scheibe all dressed up like they were going on a date, tossing her hair about, kicking her legs this way and that in the sleek long sundress, getting on top of the truck, bending over, twisting this way and that, turning her back to the cameras with phone to her ear like see how important I am (she didn’t look shaken at all, she seemed to be relishing the attention)!

    Just like that Firefighter relishing his story with minute details about how they ran all the Mexicans out of that restaurant. No thought to maybe, they should have considered how the Mexicans perceived them and how intimidating their cars and uniforms might have been.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2419458/Samantha-Scheibe-George-Zimmermans-blonde-babe.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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    • stella says:

      Daily Mail – now there’s a serious news source!

      Honestly, this thread sounds more like the National Enquirer than the CTH. SD has been nice to allow what amount to Zimmerman open threads the past couple of days, and this is the crap we get. Disgusting.

      Come on, who really gives a rats ass about the personal lives of the Zimmermans? Like Hillary said, “What difference does it make?”

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      • eastern2western says:

        authorized by doctor reich because he is the man with those magic ears. remember how he was able to hear words just from breathing noises. Well, daily mail sent to tape to reich and he returned with his report.

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      • diwataman says:

        Apparently for some folks they have become rather emotionally attached. I can’t really blame them for that, after all many have invested quite a lot of time, effort and even money into these folks. And after viewing them as victims for so long to see one of them turning traitor can be rather jarring. When this all started people weren’t quite sure what to make of it, who to blame and so on and so the conversation began.

        Can you imagine if Shellie was doing this stuff just prior to or during the trial? I would think that would certainly put this in perspective for everyone and for folks defending Shellie now. For some reason it seems that just because George is out from under the State of Florida’s criminal suit the potential ramifications of what Shellie has been doing these past few weeks are not a problem or not considered or minimized. I’ve tried to remind them of the potential civil suits and just to add here, though unlikely, let us not forget a potential federal charge.

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        • stella says:

          I understand that, d’man. My objection is the nature of the comments that have been made (some of them deleted) on this thread that are off color and distasteful. None of that is necessary. They can be taken elsewhere.

          As for emotional attachment, an attachment to someone you have never met and do not know is unhealthy. Like a teenager who has an attachment to Justin Bieber, imo.

          If this had happened prior to the trial, we would be discussing it in the light of the legal ramifications. Since both George’s and Shellie’s trials are now over, that isn’t a consideration. Shellie does need to tread lightly because of her probation status.

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          • diwataman says:

            “Since both George’s and Shellie’s trials are now over, that isn’t a consideration.”

            But it is really or at least it should be, at least for me it is as this whole thing was never merely about the trial or one man. Shellie has put everything in that regard in jeopardy. I don’t know what off color and distasteful comments are to you or how those comments whatever they may be have differed in nature to the general feel of most other Zimmerman posts. If they are directed at Shellie I say have at it, nothing like a little social ostracization to correct this to some degree.

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            • stella says:

              You are free to allow that on your own blog, of course. While I am not the person who removed distasteful comments, I support it. Telling salacious jokes, no matter who they are directed at, reflect on our blog if they are allowed to stand, just as racial remarks are used to defame us. I care about that; I assume that you do not.

              Why don’t we encourage folks to send Shellie nasty emails and tweets? If she deserves to be ostracized, better to direct them to her, right?

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              • diwataman says:

                Well, everyone has their own perspective and how to deal with it I suppose. You guys are of course free to do as you wish with your own blog as well. I’m not really sure what the problem has been here regarding the “Shellie” posts. I saw some explanation regarding the other ones that were deleted were regarded as “trash” and now this thread is regarded as “…sounds more like the National Enquirer than the CTH…”.

                It’s difficult from an outsiders perspective to know where you’re coming from in that regard. Is it everyone? Is it just the fact it has to do with anything Zimmerman? Deleting particular comments you find objectionable is understandable but I’m not so sure about the broad-brushing as people might attribute such condemnations to themselves when such were not intended in the first place. Probably just best to delete and block specific offenders if need be.

                Ostracizing works better in public.

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                • stella says:

                  If you want to know what I don’t want here, go take a look at Rick Madigan’s recent post on the subject. Then tell me what that adds to the discussion.

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                • rickmadigan says:

                  Hi Stella, I responded to Shoulda below about my purposes for my most recent thread. Its simple intention was to bring humor and understand the psychology of what is needed to heal George’s heart which is quite simply freedom and approval of others!

                  And all of the comments I copied from Rumpole’s blog which made up the entire body of the thread helped me see Shellie’s side of things for which I was glad. I don’t want to vilify anyone in this.

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                • stella says:

                  Thanks. I just noticed you copied all of our conversation here over to your blog comments. Just want you to know – the two threads we trashed the other day? We received emails complaining about those threads, which was the tipping point for trashing them. It was discussed in the Open Thread as well. Sorry you guys don’t like it. Now that you have your own blog, you can do as you like, and trash us all you want.

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                • rickmadigan says:

                  I have never trashed CTH Stella and would not do so

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                • stella says:

                  When did I say that you trashed CTH? ADD: Not you personally, but copying the comments only encourages others to do so. That’s fine. No problem.

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  It was disgusting.

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              • rickmadigan says:

                Stella says: “Now that you have your own blog, you can do as you like, and trash us all you want.”

                I have not trashed CTH in any of my comments, but I have responded in discussion with others about my opinion. I have always wanted the most for CTH. But my ideas are different certainly. Anyway, this was my most recent reply to someone:

                rickmadigan
                September 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM

                I like Stella Bongo. I have learned a lot from her responses at CTH.

                I think they are not making clear what is meant by how something reflects on their blog moderations. But these are team decisions and often, they include treepers like JFP and others writing in, with strong disapprovals that makes them think we have an audience to cater to.

                The one comment I have deleted on here was from a user by the name of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx But that too, I would not have deleted it, if the person had a point to make, but their username was about the gist of the comment.

                I have deleted two threads of mine, but there were no comments attached to them, except mine. And the reason I deleted my two threads is I was reacting to something, rather than making a helpful point to someone. Its easy to get carried away when we feel someone has attacked us. But I really do try to say things that will be helpful in informing or making others aware of some truth in my thinking

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            • Bongo says:

              Off color and distasteful are both somewhat subjective in nature.

              What offends one person doesn’t necessarily offend others.

              IMO, Shellie deserves the criticism.

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              • stella says:

                Start your own blog; then you can say whatever you like. Anything you say here reflects on our blog, so we get to moderate what is said. You don’t have to agree, just comply.

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    • sandymich says:

      Um, Scheibe did not go in. Shellie would have had no idea she was there if she didn’t call the po po.

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    • Shellie filed for divorce, that makes George free to pursue other interests. Shellie wasn’t even supposed to be there that day.

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      • rickmadigan says:

        That was the whole point of my newest thread on my blog ShouldaStayedInSkool, George is free to do what he wants.

        I heartily approve of him getting his life back, especially getting some after all the merciless beating he has taken. My one point with above post is that I don’t like people stating innocence when there is a definite human element to the act of wanting to create a certain perception in someone.

        Whoever thought up the little scheme, my point to Wes Robinson is do it if you think it helps your beaten down friend’s psyche but don’t lie about it, because people are more likely to understand when we tell the truth

        In fact I would have recommended going there with the girl as they did, if I was there, but I would not later go on the news and say, it was all innocent, media once again has it wrong! Rubbish, let people think what they want, the scarlet letter is inside the souls, this is shame on the world ! George is a human being

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  35. Lulu says:

    The notion that Shellie was somehow dragged kicking and screaming into that Christi O’Connor interview on ABC or this dramatic interlude with Lawyer Simms is ludicrous. She appears to be enjoying every minute of it. Her newfound “empowerment”.

    Those who are encouraging her present conduct and making excuses for her vengeful actions are doing her no service.

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    • Lulu says:

      Here is the story on the ABC GMA interview (emphasis added):

      O’Connor said that after months of courting her and her attorney, she was able to secure the interview with Shellie about her life leading up to and since her husband’s trial.

      “When I asked her why she was doing [the interview], Shellie said, ‘I want to start my life back.’ George Zimmerman has beaten down her self-esteem,” O’Connor told ABCNews.com, adding that Shellie is using this opportunity for a new start. “She has a moment in the spotlight. She wants everyone to know that she changed her life.”

      Lawyer Sims.

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      • Lulu says:

        Link to article about Christi O’Connor’s “get” of Shellie after the trial:
        :
        http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/08/george-zimmermans-wife-says-he-has-beaten-down-her-self-esteem/

        Afterthought: Suppose Lawyer Sims, who represented her in her perjury case, encouraged her to divorce George and go public about it? Any link between Lawyer Sims and the Scheme Team – or is he just a sleazy little lawyer looking for his next gig as a TV law pundit on HLN/CNN?

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        • Lulu says:

          And here is Christi O’Connor’s “Mission Statement”. She is scary. Her protests to the contrary notwithstanding, she does appear to be allergic to the truth:

          http://zimmermanverdict.net/about-christi-oconnor/

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        • unitron says:

          Let’s see, he encourages her to divorce, and he’s going to be the attorney handling the divorce and supposedly making money from that.

          To me, that’s closer to conflict of interest than I’d want to get if I were attempting to be an ethical attorney, but that’s from my “never even been near a law school” perspective.

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          • sangell says:

            It sure does seem that Orlando area lawyers are making up for the lack of paid legal representation endured during the Casey Anthony spectacle when all Jose Baez and Cheney Mason got for their work was to escort Casey into bankruptcy court.

            The Zimmerman case has been a windfall for every sleazy lawyer in the area. Jurors,witnesses, cops, defendants, relatives virtually everyone in any shape manner or form associated with the case has ‘lawyered up’.

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  36. eastern2western says:


    despite a pending suit, msnbc still wants to connect everything to the trayvon martin case. Another example of selective editing at work in here. by simply eliminating the truth of multiple witnesses who saw shellie instigating the event, msnbc and its collectives wants to convict zimmerman of a crime even any crime and make that crime relevant to trayvon martin.

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  37. Lulu says:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-fancy-house-20130909,0,1471535.story

    The house where George and Shellie Zimmerman lived during his trial – and for nearly a year leading up to it – was no trailer in the woods.

    It is a two-story, $240,000 home on a cul-de-sac with landscaping, a pool and spa in the backyard and two security cameras trained on its front door.

    It’s also less than 10 minutes from the Seminole County criminal courthouse where Zimmerman stood trial on a second-degree murder charge for killing Trayvon Martin and was acquitted in July.

    Based upon the description and time frame in the article, the September 5 referred to as the date when they moved into this house would appear to have been 2012.

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    • sangell says:

      I guess the LMPD should just toss the Ipad in the trash now and forget about filing any charges against GZ as the Police Chief has just disclosed his personal hatred and bias against Zimmerman. I realize this is a two bit suburban police department but how does even a third rate police chief imagine he can call a citizen of his town a potential mass murderer based on a DV report his own police investigators could not find any evidence of violence occurring?

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    • whiteradish says:

      G R O A N.

      And away the media flies off again, taking an offense against GZ, despite evidence largely to the contrary. The tack AGAIN, is deja vu, that the po-lice should have arrested GZ. Why do you supposed friends, relatives, and the police just track him down and lock him up? This is indeed slow motion destruction of a man who tried to protect his wife from neighbor dogs by buying a gun and stop suspicious burglars because his wife stays at home during the day and a recent incident involving hooded suspects broke into a home had occurred. The incidents of residential break ins were increasing not decreasing.

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      • sangell says:

        If you want to send an e-mail ( or phone) “Chief” Bracknell you can do so at this website.

        http://www.lakemaryfl.com/users/sbracknell/contact

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        • LandauMurphyFan says:

          Richard Smith posted a link on today’s open thread to a report where the “Chief” purportedly “walks back” his comments.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/13/steve-bracknell-george-zimmerman-comments_n_3919759.html

          Here’s how he “walks it back” (from the article): “Chief Bracknell distanced himself saying he was ‘referring to the fact that [Zimmerman] seems to be involved in incidents’ involving firearms,” the station reported. Oh well, that’s all right then. Not.

          The exchange of e-mails is at the bottom of the article at the link. I’m supposed to be working so don’t have time to read the whole thing right now, but I did see that one of his points is “I agree that if anyone knows the SYG law it’s GZ.” Gee, wouldn’t you like to know what EVIDENCE he bases that on? You know, like prosecution evidence from the trial? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.

          I can tell ya, this cop makes me want to spit. Sangell, I hope everyone here contacts that police dept to make their feelings known. Will we all get responses, do ya think?

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  38. whiteradish says:

    The problem is they won’t leave GZ alone. It will never stop. These *friends* and acquaintances who keep latching on to him. We have to step up to the plate. It’s the continued railroading of GZ, unfortunately the parties change hands or jump on the boat. We have to put a leak in that. But stay true to the railroading of the media and other factions.

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  39. whiteradish says:

    No good deed goes unpunished. This is especially so in feral Amerika:

    George Zimmerman did absolutely everything by the book. He married a wife to whom he’s remained loyal. He acquired a home with a mortgage in the suburbs. He enrolled in college to further his education. He even found time to volunteer on behalf of his community, risking his own safety to ensure the safety of the other families in his neighborhood. …

    ..George Zimmerman attended an American college, one which expelled him for being accused of and tried for murder. He was directly persecuted by an American president who personally sicced his attack dog Eric Holder on the poor bastard, forcing a trial which established legal precedent never would have allowed. The American media flagrantly fabricated and manipulated facts to turn popular opinion against this man. The more he tries to behave honorably, the more this monstrous horde of cackling jackals pile on their death threats, bounties on his life, and attacks on his character.

    Now George Zimmerman’s wife has filed for divorce, accusing this man of being “selfish” while wriggling her [edit] little American fingers around everything he owns and will ever acquire in the future. …

    Original article here, a good read:

    “George Zimmerman’s White Knight Nightmare”

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/09/george-zimmermans-white-knight-nightmare/#more-42181

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  40. whiteradish says:

    No good deed goes unpunished. This is especially so in feral Amerika:

    “George Zimmerman’s White Knight Nightmare”

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/09/george-zimmermans-white-knight-nightmare/#more-42181

    We are and must be witness to this, however loathsome.

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    • eastern2western says:

      no matter what happens, the liberal media will always give the martins’ a positive spin. currently, msnbc is jumping all over the place for the Zimmerman divorce, but they never mentioned tracy martin’s consecutive divorces. When the story first broke out, the media called brandi greene a fiancée, but ignore tracy was actually married. then as the wife slowly came out, fiancée became a girl friend, but no one was questioning tracy’s extra marital affairs. another great example is this whole ipad incident because some pro-trayvon sites are actually reporting that Zimmerman was holding shellie Zimmerman’s family hostage with a gun. For some unknown reason, the media had convicted Zimmerman completely based on imaginations. even the his 911 calls were being analyzed as evidence of racism simply because he was giving a physical description of trayvon martin. I had no idea it was consider racism simply by giving a description.

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      • whiteradish says:

        All George has to do is cough, and one friend tells another, tells another, photos are taken, the media gets involved, who takes it to the Nth level, friends are not friends any more, George is the devil, he’s famous, he’s rich, he’s moved on, and now, according to Bill Mahers (the Sadly Invincible Comic turned Journalist, hello Feinstein, or was it journalist turned comic?) publicly likens America to George Zimmerman (a do gooder below the bell curve, a hispanic doing the job he wouldn’t do) in wanting to attack Syria. It’s a big mish mash of confused horticulture growing like weeds to block out the sun. Cave people, Treepers! America is 55% cave dwellers and growing. They like groping around in the dark acting like its an honorable living guided by bats in bat mobiles saving damsels in distress for a chunk of a victim’s money. Meanwhile, O’Mara quit George to Dance With the Stars (no joke, albeit small time fundraiser, his partner? a black woman). I am defeated.

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  41. eastern2western says:

    is it obvious that that shellie is trying to send George to jail by claiming George was going to shoot them with his gun. In florida, the minimum sentencing for flashing a gun in front of people in public is 10 years.

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  42. eastern2western says:


    shellie Zimmerman was setting George Zimmerman up with a minimum 10 year sentence with her claims in the 911 call.

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    • lovemygirl says:

      I’m hoping George is thinking hard about his responsibility with a weapon. It doesn’t appear he brandished one at this point but he appears to have been walking a fine line if he was touching it while telling them to stay back. Even if she was setting him up and/or provoking him he needed to maintain a level head. I don’t know at this point but both need to stay away from each other as much as possible and let their lawyers do the talking. I hate to say it but maybe he does need to rethink CC for awhile. If he thought that scene might have turned ugly he probably should not have been carrying. JMHO.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        It might not be a bad idea until he can get his PTSD on an even keel. He needs to carry to proect himself from all of those who threaten his life. He needs to move farther away from Seminole County to a place in the country somewhere where he can rest, get well, and think things through.He also needs to stay out of the public eye and no more speeding tickets, lol. Maybe an island with soothing island music would be therapuetic. It might help to go through gun safety course again to brush up on responsible gun ownership. He needs to be very aware of his surroundings running around in Seminole County.

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      • The police did not find a weapon. Nobody SAW GZ with a weapon. It was a lie and Shellie is lucky police didn’t pursue it.

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  43. myopiafree says:

    Yet more racial attacks.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/09/14/5-americans-who-were-murdered-for-being-white-n1700024?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

    It’s OK, when Blacks commit the killing it is never “racial”.
    Move along folks … nothing to see here.

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  44. dws says:

    Email exchange with Lake Mary Police Chief on George Zimmerman as Sandy Hook waiting to happen

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