State VS. George Zimmerman

The Orlando Sentinel weighs in on the recent filings in the George Zimmerman case.

Benjamin Crump:  Resist we must, and we much, about that, be committed….

bdlr and OmaraORLANDO – Attorneys for George Zimmerman Thursday asked an appeals court to reverse the decision of a Sanford judge and allow them to make Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin‘s family, answer their questions under oath.

It is a battle defense attorneys have been fighting – and losing – for months.

They twice asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to allow them to depose Crump, and she twice said no, most recently one week ago.

Now, they’ve asked the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach to overturn her decision.

Perjure we much

“A civil lawyer with a vested interest in the outcome of the case should not be allowed to keep evidence from law enforcement; potentially influence significant witnesses; speak on national television about evidence he claims to exist and witnesses he has spoken with; accuse several law enforcement agencies of dishonesty; otherwise play a central role in the media persecution … yet claim he is not subject to a deposition regarding non-privileged matters,” wrote defense attorneys Mark O’Mara and Don West.

Crump said he could not comment on the appeal.

Defense attorneys contend that Crump has information that they’re entitled to, most importantly about the state’s star witness, a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon just moments before he was shot in Sanford Feb. 26, 2012.

They have discovered two untrue statements by her, one when she claimed to be 16 but was really 18 and a second when she said she did not go to Trayvon’s wake or funeral because she was in the hospital.

She later admitted that there was no trip to the hospital.  (read more)

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301 Responses to State VS. George Zimmerman

  1. justfactsplz says:

    Alas, Crump is suddenly tongue tied and cannot comment on the appeal. How about that! He is shaking in his boots. From Tallahassee to Miami this case is red hot and they are finally feeling the heat.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      I just can not imagine the TCJ being this bad. No privilege exists in the area the defense wants to depose Crump. He has information the defense needs to defend GZ at trial. Relevant information. They can not get the information any other way without undue hardship. It may be that this criminal case was hijacked by a wrongful death civil rights lawyer. It is a threat to the rule of law and due process. Politicians and others have bent or broken the trust they are given by the citizens it seems like. The last defense a citizen has is a jury. But it might be that even that basic protection is being abused by adverse selection. The people vest vast power in the elected officials and state attorneys. The trial court is supposed to seek the truth in an impartial way. I only hope the infection has not spread up to even higher courts. If it has then Katie bar the door.

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      • John Galt says:

        “No privilege exists in the area the defense wants to depose Crump.”

        Actually MJW at RT made what appears to be a shocking revelation of something that has been hiding in plain site:

        “The work-product privilege in Hickman is a common-law privilege under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. There are no common-law privileges not to testify under Florida law. In Florida, privileges are limited by 90.501 to those provided by statute, the constitutions of the U.S. and Florida, and the rules of procedure approved by the Florida supreme court. Florida provides work-product privileges under the civil and criminal rules of procedure. Civil rule 1.280(b)(4) is essentially the Hickman rule. It applies only to civil proceedings. Criminal rule 3.220(g)(1) is the work-product privilege in criminal cases. It provides: “Disclosure shall not be required of legal research or of records, correspondence, reports, or memoranda to the extent that they contain the opinions, theories, or conclusions of the prosecuting or defense attorney or members of their legal staffs.” It does not provide any privilege to anyone other than prosecution and defense. There is no other Florida work-product privilege that limits discovery or testimony in criminal cases.”

        Crump may be up the creek w/o a paddle if the DCA accepts cert and applies the actual law to the actual facts. MJW’s startling revelation (work product in criminal cases is created by Rule 3.220(g)(1) and applies to prosecutors and defense attorneys) may also explain why Blackwell was attempting to posture Crump as a private AG.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          That must be why TCJ tried to make him opposing counsel. Amazing. Private Atty. General. Amazing. Co-counsel with the SA. Amazing. Groundbreaking new law if it is upheld, at least I never heard of anything like it. Due process? Nahhh. I would think this could go all the way to SCOTUS if the 5th lets it ride. Either way the ruling will prolly be appealed to FSC I bet. I have really learned a lot since this began. But even if that stands the things the defense seeks are not privileged as it says in the writ.
          Anytime an altercation occurred between a black and a white person a civil rights lawyer could do the same thing in any criminal case. Maybe on either side of the ball. It is just insane.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        I would say then Katie bar the door because the corruption goes up the ladder clear to the White House.

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      He is afraid to say anything that might be misquoted or twisted into something else. You know how people can be. (snark)

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    • hooson1st says:

      Crump, likely, is not shaking in his boots.

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  2. arkansasmimi says:

    Prayers of Hope and stedfast Faith to and for Geo and family!

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  3. arkansasmimi says:

    Its just so funny to me of the shows that the Dog Pound female dogs and WANNA BE Females 🙂 watch.. Dead Man Walking and a FAV of CHump and Co.

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  4. maggiemoowho says:

    Can MOM/West depose Jasmine Rand, she spoke out about Wolfinger many times and I think she signed the letter that accused Wolfinger of meeting Lee.
    CNN 4-4-12
    “On Tuesday, Martin family attorney Jasmine Rand insisted again that a former prosecutor in the case, State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, met with the now sidelined Sanford police Chief Bill Lee the night of the killing and overruled a police detective urging that Zimmerman be arrested.

    Rand said the family’s legal team has multiple, credible sources who say Wolfinger and Lee met that night. She declined to elaborate.”

    http://m.wxii12.com/national-news/Interest-in-Trayvon-Martin-coverage-divided/-/17443262/10189364/-/oike3y/-/index.html

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  5. ejarra says:

    Will or can Crump’s lawyer get involved at this point with the DCA?

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Sure, he is the Private AG remember. The Grand Master. This case is his work product.

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    • John Galt says:

      Could be a landmark case: Work product privilege does not protect a private attorney that has Crumped a witness in a criminal case for purposes of future financial gain in a civil case.

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      • tara says:

        I’m beginning to think that Crump was so focused on winning a civil lawsuit that he failed to see how his actions might damage the criminal case. Oh how I would love to hear phone conversations between Bernie and Crump.

        How can Crump be afforded the rights of opposing counsel (representing the State of Florida, no less) but be allowed to shirk the responsibilities? #rhetoricalquestion

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        • HughStone says:

          Crump didn’t care about the criminal case, all he wanted was an “arress”.

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        • John Galt says:

          “I’m beginning to think that Crump was so focused on winning a civil lawsuit that he failed to see how his actions might damage the criminal case.”

          Crump knew exactly what he was doing. But for the Crumping of W8, there would be no criminal case.

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          • doodahdaze says:

            No Are$$ and no settlement. Wow. But there may or may not have been a case. Wolfie was convening a grand jury when he got hijacked. I say prolly not. DD would have had to testify. I think avoiding the GJ was the point of this exercise in the first place. But now the formal discovery is hitting the nerve center.

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            • ftsk420 says:

              There was a news report I found months ago that stated Dee Dee gave her testimony thinking she wouldn’t have to appear in front of the Grand jury. She said she would if she had to.

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              • auscitizenmom says:

                I always thought that was just part of the story . Minor chile, afraid of po-leese, won’t talk to anyone, but would testify before the Grand Jury if necessary. But, of course, they made sure the GJ got skipped.

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        • libby says:

          Well,
          None of the crooked judges has held the corrupt prosecutor to legal standards of ethical behavior? Crump may expect the same lack of oversight

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          • John Galt says:

            Private attorney crumping a witness in a criminal case for purposes of financial gain in a civil case has to piss off the DCA, if they accept cert of a pre-trial discovery issue.

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            • boricuafudd says:

              Successfully, if I may add, as the settlement makes clear. Interesting, we wouldn’t know about the settlement which was done months ago, if Crump was not desperately trying to prove he is “opposing counsel” to avoid getting deposed.

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            • doodahdaze says:

              But the DCA will be loathe to do it from what I can tell. But it looks like the writ is on point. They covered the bases. I have done a little checking on it in my limited way. It is a very, very, serious action by the defense.

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  6. tara says:

    Google news search this morning still shows only one single article about this latest case update. Aside from Rene and the OS, the media continues its policy of only reporting the most salacious anti-Zimmerman stories, factual updates unflattering to Team Skittles are conveniently missing.

    I’m still trying to figure out if the fact-free reporting is a concerted effort, or if the media outlets are simply embarrassed because they were caught up in the initial fables and now if they report the truth they’ll all look like bumbling idiots. Retractions would fill their entire papers by now.

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    • tara says:

      Oh my god, no more than a minute after I posted my remark, up pop all sorts of stories about some cop in a Florida town who made “racist remarks” while discussing Trademark. THIS will spread like wildfire, while factual updates pertaining to the case will be lost.

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      • Knuckledraggingwino says:

        Since I am Pro-Life, the suggestion of drowning them at all birth (“them” = black babies) is offensive. In spite of the FBI statistics that document that mostly young, black males commit a grossly disproportionate number of homicides, the vast majority of black males do not commit homides or other major crimes. More importantly, the circumstance of being born illegitimately combined with the risk of being rased in a home with a succession of potentially predatory males who will abuse them psychologically, physically and sexually is THE KEY FACTOR that increases the probability of criminality, not genetics.

        Rather than commit infanticide, perhaps we should offer single women generous wellfare benefits if they agree to submit to an implantable contraceptive while on welfare and sterilization if they remain on welfare long term?

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      • maggiemoowho says:

        Let the diversion begin, unreal isn’t it. 😦 This will be used to anger and fire up the protesters.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        They had to find something.

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        • Sha says:

          I wonder how much and who paid him for the diversion……

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          • tara says:

            I want to know who are the two people are who claimed they heard this officer make this comment during a discussion of Trademark-related riots.

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          • Sha says:

            It just seems wierd that with all the accusations of the police department being racist that someone would say something like that. (I had to look up what he said)

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          • Sha says:

            I take it back ! He has to know all hells gonna break loose on him after saying that.

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            • tara says:

              Everyone would have laughed if he’d said it about the Occupy protesters. But you’re right, he should have known it would cause trouble, even if he made the comment in a discussion entirely unrelated to the upcoming Trademark protests. He did get his full retirement benefits, so I’m sure part of the agreement is to never reveal the two BGI informants who tried to make his life hell for one slip of the tongue.

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            • Sha says:

              tara : You know as well as I do…. that people in the BGI will look for people to say stuff like that to use against everyone. Also I’m not saying he said it…because I don’t know if he did or not and unlike some people I believe in innocent until proven guilty. I took back the part about him being paid because no amount of money would be worth the heat off of that.

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              • doodahdaze says:

                Now. I gotta say. In the last year i have learned a lot. Start to now. This is all rules and regulations. They have colleges training thousands of them to take the stakes via the rules and regulations. I can say this. He who knows the rules and regulations can make a killing. The companies have to hire people to navigate the rules and regulations. Safety Officers, human resourcers, trainers in hygene and gay rights, all kine crazy stuff. Videos and stacks of paperwork a ditch digger has to watch and fill out on the safest way to dig a hole. You have to pay a ditchdigger a whole day to sit through it all. The companies have to hire specialists to write job descriptions to avoid having to hire the dopes or get sued. It is amazing what I have learned in my old age. I am amazed we are still on our feet.

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    • pbunyan says:

      And that just further proves that the media (or more accurately, the Obama Administration Department of Propaganda) is only concerned with ideology and agency and not at all with ratings. You can’t write more compelling drama than what is currently happening between the defense and the persecutors (including the judge). Any network who actually covered this would move to #1 in the ratings. But they ignore it because it doesn’t fit the agenda.

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    • libby says:

      Tara,
      Compare how many articles declared the duke lacrosee BOYS guilty and how few articles discussed how they were exonerated

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  7. tara says:

    I think these are the judges of the Fitfh District Court of Appeal:

    O’Mara and West win with 5-4, right?

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  8. CCG says:

    http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/4/5/racial_remark_forces.html

    “Lt. Johnson admitted that he said the remark to investigators. However, Lt. Johnson said his statement was in the past and not made in late February at a meeting concerning the potential aftermath of Trayvon Martin’s death. Lt. Johnson went on to clarify that it was a humorous term, meaning if a person was drowned at birth, the justice system wouldn’t have to worry about arresting him over and over again.”

    The way I read it, he was referring to criminals/thugs in general. But those offended, who complained about the remark, apparently took it to mean black criminals/thugs.

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  9. pbunyan says:

    Two important facts conspiciously absent from the Orlando Sentinel article:
    1. The judge originally agreed to allow Crump to be deposed and the date had been set, then she changed her mind when Crump lawyered up and filed a mendacius afidavit that very day, and
    2. The new tape of the W8 interview recently released by ABC News proved that Crump lied in the afidavit he filed to aviod being deposed.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      If they admitted that they would not be true to their school.

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    • tara says:

      An attorney who lies in an affidavit should surely be disciplined, correct? Is disbarment out of the question? Clinton was disbarred.

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      • hooson1st says:

        Most of the time, there is no discipline applied, nor sanctions.

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      • pbunyan says:

        Yeah, but that was before Ameirka was fundamentally transformed.

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      • John Galt says:

        Das raaaaaaaaycissssssssssssssst!!!

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      • ottawa925 says:

        what’s the point of an Affidavit if you’re gonna lie in it? and then when caught lying … no punished? This whole country is getting on my last nerve. Different rules for different ppl. and then you’ve got Shellie with charges of perjury for saying “IDK”. IDK now is apparently perjury.

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      • libby says:

        BOTH of the Obamas have been disbarred!
        I think Mo’s is public knowledge & BO is hidden (many disbarments are not public info).

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        • tara says:

          Technically they surrendered their licenses and are “retired” (BObama) and “inactive” (MObama). The official excuse is that they voluntarily surrendered their licenses “to avoid a requirement to take continuing education classes and pay hundreds of dollars in annual fees“, not to avoid ethics charges as some claim. And yet “The Obamas haven’t said exactly what prompted them to change the status of their licenses

          http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the-obamas-law-licenses/

          The factcheck web site claims that there’s no evidence supporting claims of ethics charges, yet it includes the link to this article containing a document stating that her inactivity was “court ordered”: http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/105998/

          I’m sure you all discussed this thoroughly here on CTH well before I arrived. 🙂

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    • libby says:

      Rene didnt just conveniently omit this time, she outright LIED.par for this course
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      The article makes it seem like the judge had never ok’d a crump depo by momwest

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Now. U.S. Grant was supposed to be the most corrupt President. Maybe Obama will out do him. I bet he will have a Pyramid built to beat out Grants Tomb. But his voters do not know who was buried in Grant’s Tomb.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      + eleventy

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  10. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    what if the races were reversed????
    “One motion suggests Santiago’s mother Sherry West’s history of mental illness makes her an unreliable witness against 17-year-old Elkins”

    “The other motion asks for information on any deals made with Louis Santiago, the boy’s father, and disclosure of any known associates and connection between Santiago and Wilfredo Calix-Flores, a victim in a prior shooting in which Elkins is now charged.”

    “The defense says Santiago is or was an informant for an unnamed law enforcement agency. ”

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/Defense-files-2-motions-targeting-slain-toddler-s-parents/-/475880/19625028/-/mckwbq/-/index.html

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  11. Geosqtness says:

    This has nothing to do with justice or the legal process. It is 100% political. It has to do with “Just-Us”…I think Sundance said it and I agree: If the DOJ-CRS does NOT want Crump deposed he won’t be. No further explanation necessary. Other than “Welcome to Obama’s America.”

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  12. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    Dont know if it was said on the other thread….if bernie wasnt so busy reading what us internet trolls have to say….he wouldnt have missed the notice about the videotaping.

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  13. mcbain346 says:

    Not sure if this is new but Rene Stutzman reports the Martin family just got some money from the HOA.
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-trayvon-martin-settlement-20130405,0,6893976.story

    I wonder if this will have any effect on Crump being deposed? Maybe it will show he shouldn’t be considered counsel for the state since he just made some money?

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    • letsbefairtogz says:

      PIGSSSSSS$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    • doodahdaze says:

      It shows more that he should be. The Insurance Company paid a go away fee. Amazing. Wonder how much the take was?

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    • auscitizenmom says:

      I’m infuriated. Why should they be given any money? How can it be a “wrongful death” if he attacked someone and got himself shot?

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Maybe more went in Traveler’s other pocket from Area 51 than went out in the settlement. It might have been Chump Change….Ya never know nowadays. There would be a payday someplace I guess.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        In the last case they got money then the charges were dropped for lack of evidence I think. That was Anderson. Anyway it was something like that. It would be amazing if the same went on here. But not surprising.

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        • auscitizenmom says:

          Sooooooo, Crump really did mean it when he said, “Awl we won’ is an arress’.” Because, once they had an arress’, they could be assured of the money. :{

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          • doodahdaze says:

            Dunno. But they got some. The company will be in high demand in Florida. There are lot’s of HOA’s. Paying this off will make them a fortune and not cost em a dime. Maybe an arress was what it took. Could have been anything. Lighting. Signs who knows. I wish they told how much. That would be interesting. Then who got what split of the Loot. Lawyers are expensive. 🙂 They might need it.

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      • Serpentor says:

        Let’s see…
        1. Raise thug
        2. thug assaults person
        3. person defends self
        4. parents & lawyers profit because thug lost the fight he started

        makes sense! we should all do this

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      they realized its the only money they will get.
      “the association or its insurer had offered $1 million but Trayvon’s parents had rejected that amount.”
      and then they accepted it.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        They could still get some from the State and Sanford. Do not be surprised. Gov. Qwisp paid off millions when he was AG. Scott may even be worse than he was. At least that is what went on in the last case like this. Stay tuned. Things are happening.

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        • libby says:

          They gonna disburse millions in lottery money, let gz off & keep the hoax alive.
          If this goes to trial, the hoaxx gets revealed.
          Gz was only their pawn anyway.
          This is about hoax, status or lack of syg in all states & sustaining & improving bgi

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          • doodahdaze says:

            I am on the edge of my seat. A lot is going on. After following this for a year. I hope the thing is finally stuck with a fork.

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        • libby says:

          Ya wanna wager how long it takes to piss thru the money?

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          • auscitizenmom says:

            Let’s see. How much does booze, cheap women, and maybe even cheap men (is there such a thing?), and tattoos cost?

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          • doodahdaze says:

            Who gets what? How much how many? I think the Martins get the biggest split then the Lawyers fight over the rest. Wonder if DD will get any?

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            • hooson1st says:

              standard for lawyers is 30-33%

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              • doodahdaze says:

                Well that ain’t much out of a Million. Considering all the work product. Crump Change.

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                • ftsk420 says:

                  So Tracy and Sybrina split 300k lol yeah they ballin now.

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                • auscitizenmom says:

                  Isn’t that 30% plus expenses. I think Crump has a lot of travel expenses, and he had to get his own lawyer. Do Tracey and Sybrina have to pay for that, too?

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                • doodahdaze says:

                  Dunno. But after thinking about it I think it is a good thing the Traveler’s settled. The other homeowners that invested there were on the hook for anything over the policy limit. Cudo’s to Traveler’s. Think if you owned a condo in twin lakes. These Pirate’s were after you. You had no defense and nothing to do with the fiasco. Get my drift? Just my opinion.

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          • tara says:

            How long will it take for Brandi to file for child support?

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      • John Galt says:

        So did it go like this? :

        1. Wild media and political frenzy created by Scheme Team BS.
        2. HOA insurance company makes policy limit offer.
        3. Trayvon’s parents decline.
        4. ABC releases clip of Crump coaching Witness 8 and requesting her to repeat prior story as told to Sybrina and Tracy
        5. Depositions of Martin / Fulton clan and W8 conducted, but depo content not revealed to insurance company.
        6. March 19, 2012 Witness 8 letter revealed.
        7. Heat turned up on Crump depo
        8. Offer accepted.

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        • libby says:

          Sounds like they wanted 5 to 10 million or more, but may get far less.
          Keep in mind, duplicitous scheming lawyers with powefful connections are not cheap.
          Your spot on.
          A question:
          Does this count as obama money?

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        • doodahdaze says:

          The value was going down. I am dying to find out the amount and who got what. But don’t you think it will be good biz for the Co. selling policies?

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        • tara says:

          Excellent summary! They grabbed what they could before the offer was withdrawn.

          Next time this happens, we should make friends with the HOA and their insurance company to keep them updated. Insurance company could have dropped the amount to $500k or less.

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          + 1, Sounds about right to me

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      And the Scheme Team derversion continues. If the HOA was stupid enough to settle, then they deserve to pay. At least those pathetic money grubers have money now to pay GZ when he sues them. (Was MOM involved with this Civil Case or was he just interviewed about it. )

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      • mcbain346 says:

        It’s probably a situation where it’s cheaper to pay than to fight a long legal battle.

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      • hooson1st says:

        The problem for the HOA is that they have limited resources (beyond insurance coverage). To the insurance company this is a “cost” of doing business. They pay off here to avoid going to a jury trial. Their legal cost would probably run to 500K, so the payoff is really an extra 500K. They will pay that to avoid a 10M jury verdict.

        You do not know how the jury will go, so it is a matter of probabilities and math and determine the course of action.

        For Mr. Crump, it is a good payday for relatively little effort on his part.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          It releases the property owners themselves. Including the witnesses from liability. That would be a conflict if they testify. Prior to this they were on the hook. Although almost every condo there is for sale at rock bottom or foreclosed it appears.

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          • maggiemoowho says:

            What happens if it is discovered at a later date that info used to win this civil case was false. Would the insurance company be able to due anything.

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            • doodahdaze says:

              It depends.

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              • John Galt says:

                If it was blatant fraud. I know of one case where an attorney got his ticket punched for forging a judge’s signature on a judgment, which he then presented for payment to an insurance company. Insurance company probably got the money back in that case. The former attorney subsequently started a consulting business to teach insurance companies how to avoid getting scammed.

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                • doodahdaze says:

                  I think the condo owners feel better now to have that from around their necks. Who would buy a condo there with a pending lawsuit and no idea what the end would be? Then some of the witnesses were owners I think. They were being sued by the Private AG and Co-Counsel to the State. Good Grief! What a mess.

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              • auscitizenmom says:

                Maggie, may I make that question a little more specific? What will they do if they find that this whole thing was a railroad job and George should never have been arrested in the first place? And, also, they find that the people who got the money are the ones who set him up?

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        • libby says:

          YoU are 110% correct!
          .
          This is exactly why crump sticks with civil law.
          First, the lower standard of proof makes winning easier PLUS the bonus is that these juries often try to compensate for percieved failures of criminal justice with large cicil settlements.
          .
          Recall oj
          Wins in criminal court and loses in civil courtt.
          The loss is largely symbolic. It hard to getmoney froma turd.
          .
          WHAT to do? Sue thedeep pockets:
          Cities, towns counties, states large & medium companies AND insurance companies

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      • eastern2western says:

        from the way the situation is progressing, the hoa may not even cut the check on Monday. If the criminal case proves that martin was the aggressor, then how could hoa even want to pay a check for a person who was killed because he attacked some one else?

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      • libby says:

        And think how much the treepers have cost those schemers.
        .
        Now i know why they hate you: y’ll just ruined a perfect orchestrated race hoax despite the direct complicity of the media , stae & federal gvernments

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    • pbunyan says:

      You know, George should sue the HOA, too. They the ones who didn’t keep a violent thug like Martin out of their gated community.

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  14. doodahdaze says:

    Looks to me like something is afoot. The Martins depo, the DD depo, HOA settlement, writ to DCA, Hearing cancelled, all kine things going on.

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    • ed greene says:

      Tracy, Sybrana, Crump are going to need all the money and more to pay their criminal lawyers soon.

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      • ftsk420 says:

        Would Tracy and Sybrina have to pay taxes on that settlement. If they do after Crumps cut and taxes won’t be much left for a good lawyer.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            I was just reading somewhere else they said no.

            According to the IRS, any lawsuit settlement proceeds that a court awards for physical illness or injury are non-taxable. This includes wrongful death settlements, since the damages are imposed due to a court’s finding that a third party is responsible for the physical illness or injury that resulted in death. To qualify for this exception, the settlement must be compensatory, meaning that it must be a form of compensation for the pain and suffering caused in the case.

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            • HughStone says:

              It was to avoid future litigation not for their “pain and suffering”. right?

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              • ftsk420 says:

                The way I read it was yes to avoid future litigation.

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              • boricuafudd says:

                According to the IRS, if a lawsuit had been filed then the reason for the lawsuit (wrongful death) would rule. I believe this was different as I believe it was a claim directly to the insurers, which would make it an contractual obligation, and no lawsuit was ever filed.

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            • LandauMurphyFan says:

              Hmmmm, can we put 2 and 2 together to equal the IRS being due a cut of this lil windfall? It sure looks like it to me! Anyone feel like contacting the IRS? After all, consider this…

              ftsk420 says: According to the IRS, any lawsuit settlement proceeds that a court awards for physical illness or injury are non-taxable. This includes wrongful death settlements, since the damages are imposed due to a court’s finding that a third party is responsible for the physical illness or injury that resulted in death. To qualify for this exception, the settlement must be compensatory, meaning that it must be a form of compensation for the pain and suffering caused in the case.

              Now consider, from the OS article…

              “…the payment made herein is not to be construed as an admission of any liability…instead the monies being paid hereunder is consideration for avoiding litigation, the uncertainties stemming from litigation as well as to protect and secure the good name and good will of the released parties,” the settlement said.

              And further, from the OS article…

              Under the terms of the settlement, Trayvon’s parents…agreed to set aside their wrongful death claim and claims for pain and suffering, loss of earnings and expenses.

              So…to qualify for tax exemption, the settlement must be a form of compensation for the pain & suffering caused, BUT the HOA stipulates that this is go-away money AND the TrayParents have agreed to set aside – guess what? – their claims for pain and suffering

              Looks to me like the taxman gets a share, doncha think?

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        • arkansasmimi says:

          Wonder if TrayDad and Alisha divorce was ever finalized? Also wonder if she will get a “CUT” 🙂

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Not if what I think is going on. Is going on. But I am just a cynic anyway.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Interesting! Do you have more detail about the “writ” and “Hearings cancelled”. What happens? Judge Nelson calls it all off – and we all go home? The Martins collect there $100,000 each because their son attempted to kill George. (Pay no attention to that little man CUMP -(adjusting the levers – behind the Green Curtin). The GREAT NELSON OZ has spoken.

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  15. ejarra says:

    I believe that George has a case against the HOA or at least the owner of RTL. Negligence. The shortcut that Trayvon used to get in was never controlled. Today it is. They put in a barricade of some sort according to the latest walkthrough with Frank Taffee. If Trayvon required a key or an access code to get in, George may not have found him as suspicious. It could have also attributed to maybe less break-ins, less reasons to be suspicious of strangers and maybe no reason to have a NW at all.

    I believe he has a good reason to sue.

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    • treewig says:

      Given statements and possible actions by Sybrina and Tracy, does this settlement now make them a possible civil case target for GZ? I imagine he’d rather not go after the parents of the deceased, but monetarily speaking, it would be worthwhile now.

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      • ejarra says:

        If he had balls, he should go after Tracy. It was him that let his son roam freely while attending a convention with his mistress.

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      • tara says:

        When George is acquitted, I hope he can sue Sybrina, Tracy, and Crump-a-dump for libel for repeatedly calling him a “murderer” and repeatedly propagating the falsehood that George “profiled” and “stalked” Trademark and that he “gunned down” or “murdered” Trademark “in cold blood”. Crump should have advised the parents to use technically correct language, e.g., “killed” instead of “murdered” … except he was right there with them and committed the most egregious libel of them all, not just about George but about the Sanford police as well.

        And then there’s Frederica “Rabid Dog” Wilson who should be added to the list for her many libelous statements, including those so elegantly presented on the Parks/Crump web site (it’s a shame they’re in print and you cant hear Wilson’s lyrical screech):

        Oh, definitely Mr. Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin …you can tell from the 911 tapes, and from the girlfriend’s conversation. You can tell from Mr. Zimmerman’s past.

        He murdered Trayvon. He hunted him down like you hunt a rabbit.” [a rabbit which punches you in the face, knocks you to the ground, mounts you, and starts pummeling your head]

        http://parkscrump.com/trayvons-death-was-murder-congressman-frederica-wilson-says/

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        • auscitizenmom says:

          “He murdered Trayvon. He hunted him down like you hunt a rabbit.” [a rabbit which punches you in the face, knocks you to the ground, mounts you, and starts pummeling your head]
          Good one! ROFLMAO

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    • doodahdaze says:

      My old man Spidey Sense is tingling. I am just an old cynic but…The DCA can not let Crump be fair game. But the writ is Prima Facia on point. The dough has to flow. A settlement is in the offing somehow. Too many big toe’s are at risk. I think a new party is in order. The Cynicrats. I will join it. But I prolly just can’t see the forest for the tree’s. I think formal discovery is running them off. I can’t wait to see what happens.

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    • John Galt says:

      “I believe that George has a case against the HOA or at least the owner of RTL.”

      Should definitely be explored.

      http://www.hindmansanchez.com/resources/article/homeowner-suits-against-community-associations

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      • doodahdaze says:

        It is all on the desk of the 5th DCA. What do you think will happen? Legally, and ethically, they should quash. But politically, how can they? If they did, all hell will break loose. I am just waiting to find out.

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        • John Galt says:

          I think the main issue is whether they will accept cert on a pre-trial discovery order. If they have been following the case, they have to be pissed off at the mockery being made of the judicial system.

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          • doodahdaze says:

            I think….but am not sure. Just a gut feeling in an old man. That those of us who have followed this from the start. Are about to witness how totally and completely the USA has become corrupted. The corruption is top to bottom now. It depends on a few justices in the 5th DCA in Daytona Beach Florida. Amazing. Hope I am wrong. But look at the big toe’s that could be stepped on. From POTUS to Bonaparte.

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        • tara says:

          Even Judge Nelson accommodated the Defense a few times, probably when the law was so strongly in their favor there was no possible way she could deny them. So hopefully the DCA will be in the same position. And, when you think about it, if any of us were on that court and got this gem to decide, we would be completely unafraid to follow the law.

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          • doodahdaze says:

            Dunno. But just in my humble opinion, this common law writ, totally and 100%, vindicates Mr. Omara. 100%. But that is just me. He seems to be worried about the CJS. In my opinion there is good reason to. This would not be on their desk if not for him. So now it is up to them and their character.

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  16. janc1955 says:

    Logging in again.

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  17. tara says:

    What is this?

    http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-case-update-martins-family-settles-with-homeowners-association

    Posted: 2:41 PM
    Last Updated: 1 hour and 5 minutes ago

    By: CNN Staff

    (CNN) — The parents of Trayvon Martin have settled a wrongful death claim against the homeowners association of the Florida neighborhood where the teenager was fatally shot, the Orlando Sentinel reported Friday. […]

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    • doodahdaze says:

      This will be headline MSM.

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    • tara says:

      I wonder if the condo owners are going to be forced to pay a special assessment to help cover the payout to the grifters.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        Nahhh. The only good thing is that innocent condo owners with nothing to do with this are off the hook. That is maybe why the company paid. Good on them. That is what the insurance is for.

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        • rooferx says:

          Yup, insurance footed the bill. They enjoy settling quickly.

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          • tara says:

            Will it cause the insurance premium to go up ?

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            • nameofthepen says:

              Tara, that question ran through my mind, too.

              Plus, I’m curious what’s the current (and future) status of the Neighborhood Watch program there.

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              • doodahdaze says:

                It is now called the “Don’t call me and I won’t call you program.” Police are not to show up at all. They changed 911 to unlisted due to possible race liability. They have an evacuation plan if they see a suspicious person.

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                • nameofthepen says:

                  Doodahdaze, LMAO!! 😆 😆

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                • janc1955 says:

                  Ditto! 😀 😀

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                • auscitizenmom says:

                  Also, no one, absolutely no one, is to leave their car if a black teenager with/without a hoodie is present. No one is to acknowledge that a black teenager is in the area. They must avert their eyes and turn their head so said teenager will not feel themselves being watched. No one is to leave their house after dark.

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                • boricuafudd says:

                  Guys, don’t forget they are to help themselves of anything that is not locked, chained or otherwise secured. If they can grab it, reach it or get their hands on it, it is theirs for the taking.

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                • ottawa925 says:

                  lol@mom … “avert their eyes”. <<< that's a good one. But then you would be racist for profiling and averting your eyes. yes, he profiled me den averted his eyes.

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                • auscitizenmom says:

                  I will quote my dear parents: It looks like we can’t win for losin’.

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    • rooferx says:

      Being this is BEFORE the Trial, it speaks volumes.
      This was supposed to be a quick in and out for the money grabbers. They know that time is almost up.

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      • tara says:

        I’m surprised the HOA and insurance company didn’t wait just a couple more months. Wouldn’t George’s acquittal potentially affect a subsequent wrongful death lawsuit? The death wasn’t wrongful if the resident acted in self defense?

        On the other hand, I do understand the problems of condo lawsuits. It makes it difficult for people to sell or purchase condos in that community, and it can prevent people from refinancing their mortgages.

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        • John Galt says:

          “I’m surprised the HOA and insurance company didn’t wait just a couple more months.”

          Maybe the insurance company’s offer was on the table for a long time and was recently accepted.

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          • boricuafudd says:

            According to MOM the settlement was reached months ago. We found out because of the Crump filing in court. Otherwise we might never have known.

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          • tara says:

            Wastebaskets gone empty.

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          • doodahdaze says:

            I apologize but I think it was a good move for them to settle. It is the way it is now and that is why those poor homeowners paid up the premiums. They had nothing to do with this fiasco. So what if the race pirates got a check. That is the reason you pay. But that is just my old guy thinking.

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    • tara says:

      Sorry, I didn’t realize that someone had posted the info above. I will continue my derision up there. 🙂

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  18. LetJusticePrevail says:

    I know this is slightly “off topic”, but is there any indication at to when the 5th DCA will hear O’Mara’s motion for the Writ of Certiorari?

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  19. disgustedwithjulison says:

    Too many parties’ butts on the line. This case needs to go away and will soon. Wonder if CRS went to the insurance company, asked them to spiff some $$$ to the Fulton/Martins in order to end this whole thing. They get the money they were promised from Crump (less, I am sure several $100k attorney fees + expenses as I doubt the trashcan tour was very profitable and was more a PR stunt). Insurance company spiffs ’em the money, government finds some of that lost $700 million from Katrina (or, the White House savings for not having WH tours for a few months).

    State drops the case like a bad habit. DD becomes the ‘fall guy’. Crump, Tracy, Sabrina, Bernie, Corey, Bondi, Scott, Obama all walk away unscathed (except for perhaps a malicious prosecution claim….but don’t think for a minute that both GZ and SZ’s current situations won’t be used as a bargaining chip for GZ not to go after the state). State declares that GZ acted in self defense, that W8 was not reliable, and all evidence supports what happened that night.

    Crump has gone quiet. My guess is his attorney has told him to shut up and not screw this up. Biggest question will be how CRS delivers this to the community to keep the peace. Most likely through local churches and leaders.

    As part of the agreement, GZ is free to go civilly after NBC, ABC, and all others that put he and his family in permanent harm. Unfortunately, my bet is going after Crump is off the table. While Tracy and Sabrina probably deserve to be gone after, they will also be off the table. Something is afoot.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      This remains to be seen. But my geriatric spidey sense is tingling. What you are talking about is a settlement. That is not part of a criminal court other than a plea bargain. So is this the new improved “Grand Bargain?” Something is up. What the heck kine blend of civil and criminal law is this? I hope the hell the justices on the 5th in Daytona step up. Damn I hope they do.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      You left out Shellie and Lester.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Oh. The Area 51 UFO’s will figger this out somehow. The Orange Blossom Special is hovering over the control tower.

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    • hooson1st says:

      There is no indication that the State is willing to give up on this prosecution.

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      • John Galt says:

        Nifong held on to the bitter end, too. Hard to understand the mentality.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          I don’t think this is like Nifong. He was the only one. Here there are a lot of players on the team.

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          • myopiafree says:

            Corey-Bernie will have to admit that they were, TOTALLY SCAMMED. They will say, “we never saw this coming”. Then, not being able to admit that they were foolish and stupid, (for NEVER CHECKING DEEDEE AND THE DEAD HEART CELL-PHONE) will continue with the prosecution – as though nothing has happened. They have an endless supply of money – why not?

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      • hooson1st says:

        The State, having entered the fray in the manner that it did, has no motivation to change course. It will play this prosecution out to the end. Taxpayers are footing the tab.

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        • doodahdaze says:

          Dunno. I got a feeling something is up. I just don’t know what. I hope it is the Flabar at work someplace we can not see. But something is going on. The Flabar is run by the Florida Supreme Court. Ahhh Dunno. This writ is pretty serious biz. More than most realize after I have done my research in my meager way. It is old fashioned common law. Very rare. But proffered by a past president of a large local Bar Association. Ahhh Dunno.

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  20. disgustedwithjulison says:

    That’s the problem doodah….this is a POLITICAL case….not a criminal case. A lot of parties need to be extricated from it carefully or their careers are over. They all know it was a sham. They all know they can point fingers at each other and drag each other deeper into the mud. The case needs to go away. They need to reach a settlement with GZ to make it go away. I believe that the cancelled hearing and the next one at the end of the month is the judge’s way of saying…..figure this out…I am done being a part of this clown show.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Plus Ultra from just a political case I think. This writ is a very telling thing. It is directed squarely at the TCJ. It is not a play the game type of action. At least I do not think so from what I have found out about it through layman research. It is pretty heavy. Just the old man thinking.

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  21. jordan2222 says:

    How bad is this reporting by Fox? Notice the last paragraph;

    A hearing in which Zimmerman will argue he was acting in self-defense is scheduled for April. The judge has said that hearing will be at least 45 days before the trial. The settlement will not affect the criminal case.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/05/travyon-martin-parents-settle-wrongful-death-claim/#ixzz2Pe3Xn8dB

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/05/travyon-martin-parents-settle-wrongful-death-claim/

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  22. strat4evr says:

    I have to say that many here (and IMO rightfully so based on facts) seem to assume that George will be aquitted without a doubt. I do not share your confidence. From everything I am seeing I tend to think there is little doubt that this case will continue to trial. A trial is a win win for the state and the many persons that have criminally or morally injected themselves into this regardless of the outcome. A conviction, well obviously we know where that would lead and an aquittal would be difference to the jury. No harm no foul. End of story for the state. Corey and BDLR will move on to better things, maybe a book and promotion. Hey, both the defense and prosecution in the Caylee Anthony fiasco moved on beautifully in Florida. The recent posts by the Miami Herald that preparations are already being considered in anticipation of a possible aquittal of George Zimmerman in the upcoming trial is nothing but further evidence of attempts of stupid and irresponsible reporting by MSM. How do you reel these jerks in and make them accountable? The reason people like Crump, Jackson, Sharpton and Jullison can do this is simple. There are no investigative reporters that front news reports before the idiots that actually go on the air and report the news. Not in daily news reports. From the beginning of this case I had the opportunity to sit back and watch with “knowledge” the extreme misrepresentations by the media and the lies by some individuals as reported by the press and I sat and shook my head and wondered are these people really that stupid or are they really that plain evil? My conclusion… Stupid+evil=$$$$$$$$
    Translation: Sabrina, Tracy, = Stupid = Trayvon = Dead = Crump = evil = $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      Now. There is the Cracker. For over a year now. But there is also a writ on the desk of the 5th DCA in Daytona Beach that will tell the tale. A combination of the two might be hot water for the schemers.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Strat – Well said – and I agree with you. This is not over. It will go to trial. Nelson will continue to “win” and the DCA will do nothing. Nelson can continue to cancel her “hearings” with no justification. She did it before.

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      • doodahdaze says:

        I would agree but I just have this kind of feeling that something is up. Behind the curtain. This writ is intense. I have read it and done a little research about it. It is not a run of the mill motion or appeal. It is really a call for help like in the old Westerns when the Calvary is surrounded and holding out if that makes any sense. It is a direct, on point, call that a miscarriage of justice is occurring at the trial court level, from a respected member of the Flabar and the legal community. In Florida the Bar is under the Supreme Court of Florida. I just don’t see how they could accept this.

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  23. strat4evr says:

    And I personally think the ruling of the 5th DCA on this will be monumental.

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    • doodahdaze says:

      As do I, one way or another. Monumental is the word. If the ruling is right the MSM will spike it. If wrong….front page.

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  24. strat4evr says:

    I am sure SD wouldn’t appreciate this but I would more than welcome just one major network to put their best in debate regarding this case on national TV with him. Even if he himself chose to pass the honor on to a few other very informed and smart posters here would be fine also. But then again now that I think about it, is there anyone that would be up to the task in any network? Just couldn’t resist the urge to post just in case SOMEONE gets it. LOL. Probably won’t get past moderation.

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    • jordan2222 says:

      I doubt that anyone knows more about this case than SD with the POSSIBLE exception of the defense and he probably knows some things that they do not know yet.

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  25. strat4evr says:

    I stay up later at night sometimes just to follow this site. I never regret the loss of sleep. Thanks for the read jordan2222.

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