And does a mighty fine job of it too…
Never thought I’d admire Dershy, but he’s honest. Gotta give him credit.
Dershowitz has it right I think. He is all over this for some reason.???? I just saw Crump and Omara on Heraldo. Omara said only 1/2 of the evidence is in. Then mentioned Depositions and Ethics. Crump started to Crumple at the thought of it. Crump started raving about Racism and the “Rich” people. Whoraldo apeears to be an Imbecile talking about Hoodies with Crump. Then Omara says he wants and is entitled to all the Fed evidence. Crumps eyes began to roll and I thought he was going to start drooling. Let the Depositions begin.
The “Fed evidence” would be, among other things, pretty much anything Dee Dee has said to anyone since this all started. Oh… this is gonna get interesting! And there goes their federal civil rights suit!
The interesting thing about DeDe’s staement is this. It CONFIRMS that TM got 70 yards AWAY FROM GZ. With this statement sworn to, IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT TM WENT BACK TO ‘CONFRONT” GZ AT THAT “T” IN THE SIDEWALK. It was impossible that GZ ‘ran down’ TM. He was ‘long-gone’ – EXCEPT THAT HE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE HIS “FIST FIGHTING SKILLS” on that “night watch” he saw in the parking lot. Yes, indeed, he “profiled” GZ.
I would like to see AD expand the prosecutor misconduct theme to include the unholy alliance with Crump and the failure to conduct a complete and impartial investigation and interview of DD.
What did OMara mention about Ethics?
Because Crump is drawing legal conclusions on facts or rumors, and perpetrating a public fraud on facts *known* to contradict what he says – and he is not even involved in the criminal case (he is waiting to swoop in on a civil case to cash in for the “grieving” mother). He is interfering in a criminal case, possibly tampering with witnesses, and poisoning the well (potential jury pool) with his outrageous statements. I understand that there are many, *many* ethics complaints now being filed against him.
Crump is a vile, bottom-feeding sleaze attorney. He is a media whore, a race pimp, and a liar. In earlier times, he would have been disbarred by now and escorted to the city borders.
Actually, O’Mara pointed out it is unethical for them — as members of the bar — to discuss the facts of the case publicly. Figured it applied to O’Mara as an attorney involved, but it apparently applied to anyone (or at least members of the Florida bar) because being reminded sure ruined Crump’s fun.
He is all over this for some reason.????
Perhaps he lifelong commitment to American Justice and the Law is a good place to discover his motivation.
I am not a lawyer but I have done some law subjects in my degree. When it comes to ethics, and especially in relation to the witness DeeDee, the ethics are totally lacking.
If I am right, and I really do suspect that DeeDee was not privy to anything, then we have a witness who was coached by Chumpy and that was followed up by coaching from BondiTram (LaBionda or whatever is his name). The witness statement from DeeDee should not be admissible as evidence because of the way that she was coached into giving testimony. She is very unreliable.
The same goes for at least 2 other witnessnes, especially Mad Mary and Blind Freddie. A witness who remembers that she she shadows is not a witness at all. She did not make a statement on the night, but she attempted to cast her mind back… meaning that her memory was open to suggestion from what she had learned about what had taken place. The evidence i useless.
Now Mad Mary is another and different kettle of fish. She keeps changing her story. She claims she heard a young boy crying out. That is impossible because both individuals should be classified as men. There is no way that Traydemark had the voice of a boy at the age of 17. Then again she claimed that she saw the body of a boy on the ground. Was she hallucinating at the time? Traydemark at 17 did not look like a boy… a teenager? Yes, but not a boy.
There are other ethical problems, such as relying upon evidence gathered by Chump and Chimpette from dodgy sound experts and the like. An investigation by the prosecutor should not be getting its information from the Slantinel, neither should it be using evidence dragged up by a private investigator.
This brings me to the phone records: Are those records in local time? If they are not, then we have a problem and a very huge credibility gap in the whole case.
Ethics have flown out the window as evidence has been gathered against a black man. The use of the LSM in my view by Chumpy and Chimpette is in my view also unethical.
Regarding Mad Mary. I think she is a bona fide member of a “Protected” class. She would naturally play along with fellow members.
is that the Lesbian class? She is a Lesbian. She rants like a she-devil. She wears the pants and Selma does as she says.
If Doh-Doh was not drunk or high during that interview with de la Rianda, I will eat my hat.
Because of the time-lapse, I have always wondered whether or not Crump used portions of Zimmerman’s statement – although he should not have had access to it but you know how he and his cohorts have been getting their grubby little hands on some of everything in this investigation/case – to coach DeeDee and construct a narrative that would somewhat corroborate portions of Zimmerman’s account – to lend credibility to hers – while adding some made-up, damning ‘info’.
That whole ‘being on a phone call with Martin when the physical altercation started’ business and the T-mobile bill just don’t seem kosher. And don’t get me started on (1) DeeDee’s lack of follow-up with Martin, 911, police, his parents, her parents, etc. once that ‘call’ was disconnected or (2) when she learned he was dead; and (3) the miraculous discovery of DeeDee and the ‘magic-phone call’ when no arrest had been made because the initial ‘big, evil white man kills poor defenseless child’ narrative started dying on the vine as more and facts in Zimmerman’s favor surfaced.
that is precisely how I am thinking that this has done down.
I do not believe the DeeDee statement. It sounds contrived.
Well, if they are lying, they REALLY are idiots, since her statement is consistent with Zimmerman’s self-defense account — when you remove her ‘conjectures’ then it is ENTIRELY consistent.
Why is it that liars so often don’t bother to actually obtain an ADVANTAGE from the lies? (Stupid criminal mindset????)
Do you have a link for that?
I know exactly what you mean. For a while, now, I’ve noted that he is more on the side of the Constitution and the Law than he is strictly the ‘liberal’ side. I still disagree with him on a lot of things – but I have to admit that he’s truly on the side of justice…not partisanship.
I’m sure there are lots of honest classical liberals like him still around, like ACLU types who are really colorblind (in the good sense) and just want true justice done. You have to respect them. It’s too bad that they have been shouted down by the race-baiting Marxists in their camp.
Great article. I am thinking what is going on here is this. Crump tried to use the same template in this case that he did in the Anderson case. Some of the same players are involved including the now Florida AG Bondi. In the Anderson case Bondi played the role of Corey and Charlie Crist who was then the AG played the role of Bondi now. Crump is playing the same role in both actions. I am wondering how the Bar is going to handle the ethics complaints that will pour in. I do not think Crump is allowed to manipulate a criminal case to try and further a civil action. If push comes to shove he will be the fall guy. He is way out on a limb. Corey is out there with him. Omara is slowly sawing away.
Most important thing is to make sure the case is thrown out, or at least that George is acquitted at trial. But then, oh THEN my brothers…. they go after Crump, Sharpton, Corey, the MSM, NBPP, and anyone else that has helped try to destroy the lives of George Zimmerman and his family. And at the same time, go around the country gathering up all the victims of “Justice for Trayvon” violence, and join them in a class-action suit. Take every penny from every LIAR they can. And maybe even go after a few of them criminally, for intentional infliction of emotional distress, reckless endangerment, incitement, etc.
It is not just O’Mara. Have you been seeing or reading anything from Nejame? It started with the production of the photo that proves that George Zimmerman is multi-racial and should be regarded as a black… and it has been taking an interesting turn since then.
Dershowitz fighting for the law & pizzed that Corey is making a mockery of it.
I generally like Dershowitz, but not always. Sometimes I strongly disagree with him. But one thing he’s not, is stupid. The guy is VERY smart. I don’t think he’d be saying all the stuff he’s been saying here if he wasn’t 100% sure he was right. So for more reasons than one, AD getting involved in this is a very good sign.
For those that have been wondering why Dershowitz has gotten so involved in the Zimmerman case, and is going hard against Angela Corey, may find the answer in the fact that Dershowitz has had cases in Fla. going after prosecutors. From one of his interviews, Dershowitz said-
“I’ve had cases in Fla. against prosecutors, and this is not the first time they have willfully omitted exculpatory evidence. It’s a continuing problem.”
It seems that Dershowitz is playing whack a mole with the Fla. prosecutors. I would agree with the author at the link that Dershowitz is actually seeking the truth.
I’m very curious what Fla. prosecutors Dershowitz had cases against. I wonder if he won his case. Does anyone know?
Hahaha couldn’t resist, hope photo appears!
Ok previous wasn’t image, here is correct one of “whack a mole”
You are correct! As posted else where, Corey has no compassionate (nor TRUTH) common sense. A child, just turned 12 years old, was charged with 1st degree murder – with a life sentence. The child should be in a hospital for goodness sake. The same “excess” charging exists for GZ. It should have been manslaughter – and even that charge would have been very “thin”. If judge trows out Corey’s false 2nd degree – there will be race riots. So be prepared.
Her “overcharging” has, from everything I can find, been aimed toward blacks far more than any other group. And therefore wouldn’t you think that black people would have some serious issues with Corey? But nooo…. now that she’s going after Zimmerman, she’s some kind of hero. Makes NO sense.
“could have been caused in a struggle”!!
WERE CLEARLY CAUSED IN A BRUTAL, UNWARRANTED, AND POTENTIALLY FATAL ASSAULT!
WOW! This is great!! I love that he’s continuing to be openly critical of Corey, and I particularly appreciate that he skewers her for the “profiling” nonsense.
Now, what’s the next step? How can we make sure that Corey is properly punished? Does anyone know? Maybe we should ask Dershowitz.
If for no other reason than Mr. Dershowitz, I don’t think we have to worry about making sure that Corey is properly punished. For some reason that isn’t apparent yet, Mr. Dershowitz has a burr under his saddle. Is it even possible that Mr. Dershowitz is gen-u-wine law-man who has smelled the skunk in the air with what’s happening to the American justice system, from the top down….and has decided that he’s jumping off the prog wagon and is going to take a stand? Has he had this characteristic of speaking up in opposition to the Dhim agenda generally before? And another cross-thought–is it true that Corey is a Repub? If so, I’m loving this: either party can take a hike if they can’t behave themselves, and this just becomes popcorn time. God bless Dershowitz.
Thank you, I”m glad you said that. This, and so much else that’s wrong with this country, isn’t just a Republican vs Democrat or conservative vs liberal issue. This is a problem with the whole stinking system, from the top on down. My dream is that both major parties, Dems and Reps alike, destroy themselves and allow us to start something better from the ground up. But are we smart enough, and BRAVE enough to do that?… that’s a real question.
I agree why do we have to have a label can’t we just be Americans not african-american or hispanic american that seems to keep the racial divide going.
It’s dicey business. Assuming I can trust your statement and assuming you can trust mine— (I’m remembering that we carry different “party flags” ) you and I can agree to the concept of cleaning house. And you and I had better know that the minute we start doing that, there will be (1) those who want to stop us because we’re breaking ranks with those who thought they owned us; there will be (2) those who see an opportunity to take advantage of a break in the ranks and co-opt events for their own purposes.
So as we’re trudging along just trying to think clearly and use our noggins in the midst of the shouting, somehow we are supposed to keep the big picture in mind and not get at cross-purposes with ourselves.
May our tribe increase. I guess. 😉 If taxpayer/voter disgust and educated rage can rise to critical mass at the right time, they won’t be able to stop the restoration the Republic needs; but If that disgust and rage (and you and I) either sell out or are co-opted by domestic enemies, we will only be left to think about what might have been.
She is a Republican, I think. However, there are several RINOs justices etc in Florida that need to be shown the door. Corey is just another one of those.
Trayvon Martin case lacks malice
Corey is trying to separate legal innocence from the charge of 2nd Murder. The same way we get a speeding ticket even if we did not see the road sign before a speed trap.
We already knew that Benny was/is an attorney for the Florida NAACP, right?
“We don’t want to have a situation again where voters feel disenfranchised, feel like they are on the outside of the gate looking in on the political process that is supposed to include them.”
The Colored Peoples Association has become unbearable. I am just sick and tired of hearing about them. Uggghh!
Sanford police prepare down-to-the-second George Zimmerman timeline
11:58 a.m. EST, May 21, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
In a timeline included in evidence documents released last week, Sanford police spelled out down to the second, what happened the night George Zimmerman fatally shot Trayvon Martin, based on time-stamped calls to their dispatch center.
It shows Zimmerman fired 1 minute, 57 seconds after he hung up.
1911:12 – Call received from George Zimmerman reporting suspicious person
1913:19 – Zimmerman relays that suspicious person is running from him
1913:36 – Dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he is following suspicious person
1913:36 – Dispatcher advises Zimmerman “Okay; we don’t need you to do that”
1915:23 – Approximate time call with Zimmerman ends
1916:43 – 911 call placed by (blacked out name) where Zimmerman is heard screaming for help
1917:20 – Shot fired; screams from Zimmerman cease
1917:40 – Officer T. Smith arrives on scene
1919:43 – Officer T. Smith locates and places Zimmerman in custody.
Wow, I can’t believe they are saying that it was Z screaming for help. Maybe there is hope.
I’m wondering if this time line is correct. The event log for the Zimmerman call says “Connect” at 7:09:34, with a creation time of 7:11:12, which also corresponds to the first REMark which describes Martin. In particular, it specifies that he is in his late teens, which Zimmerman did not relay until 1:16 of the call.
Moreover, the first officer (Ayala) was dispatched at 7:11:17. If the call started at 7:09:34, then the log was opened at 1:38 into the call, which was when Zimmerman was just after Zimmerman was feeling alarmed. And you can hear when the dispatcher types something. For example, when he finally figures out that the address is 1111 Retreat View Circle, he is likely entering the address. Just before 1:38 there is typing.
This was a non-emergency line, so the dispatcher would be gathering information (why Zimmerman called – there have been recent break-ins, a person was walking around the area, and what that person looked like and was wearing. At some time he decides what to do and actually dumps all the information he has been typing into an actual event.
The next REMark that is logged is at 7:11:59. If the call started at 7:09:34, this is at 1:25 into the call. At 1:21 into the call, Zimmerman explains that the “other entrance” is the “back entrance”, and the remark is that Martin is running towards the back entrance.
Note, it is possible that because the dispatcher was focused on entering this information into the system, that he was only at that time asking whether Zimmerman is following. The urgency of his request, plus that Martin was likely on the darkened sidewalk would mean that Zimmerman had to get out of his truck to see Martin, and Martin might have been around the corner before Zimmerman started moving.
TSmith arrived at 7:17:11. But he was on the outside on Retreat View Circle. On one of the 911 calls, the caller is trying to make the operator understand that the shooting was in the courtyard, and the operator is saying, “tell me, so I can tell him”\.
TSmith PEU at 7:17:36. which I’m guessing stands for Police/Patrol Exit Unit, The timeline then says that TSmith arrived on scene at 7:17:40 and arrested Zimmerman at 7:17:43. So that would mean 4 seconds to get around the building and another 3 to tell Zimmerman to put his hands in the air.
There are 45 seconds on the scream 911 call, before the shot, not the 37 seconds in the timeline. I’ve read that the original release of the 911 calls had the actual times, and maybe were not redacted, with the first call beginning at 7:16:11. If there is the same error in establishing the time line for that call, 17:16:43 would be 32 seconds into the call, which is just after the first bang that the caller thought was a shot, and the operator wanted to know if anyone was hurt. Up until that time, the operator might not have known whether it was a medical or police emergency.
So my timeline is:
7:09:34 Zimmerman calls.
7:09:41 Martin reported to be running.
7:09:52 Zimmerman begins moving (in preceding 11 seconds, Zimmerman exited his truck to fulfill dispatchers urgent request for additional information).
7:09:58 Dispatcher asks whether Zimmerman is following him, Zimmerman says yes.
7:10:00 Dispatcher says that “we don’t need you to do that”
7:10:11 Zimmerman acknowledges “ok”, and his pace appears to be be slowing. Zimmerman reports that “he ran” which suggests that Martin is not in sight.
7:13:39 End of phone call (about 6 seconds before end of recording).
7:16:11 911 call with Zimmerman screaming for help.
7:17:11 TSmith arrives at address.
7:17:40 TSmith arrives.in back
7:17:43 Zimmerman in custody.
If TSmith was at the front entrance at 7:16:43; he would have 28 seconds to travel 800 feet at 19.5 MPH. TSmith went to 2821 Retreat VIew Circle, which is the 2nd from the south unit in the building to the east of the shooting area. He says as “he walked in between buildings” he observed Zimmerman and Martin, so he might mean that he came into the area from the south rather than the T.
The “gap” is 2:32 minus any additional screaming, the time for the initial fighting, the verbal encounter, and the two approaching each other. So subtract perhaps 30 seconds.
190 feet in 19 seconds would put Zimmerman at the top of the T. This 10 feet/second which would be a fast shuffling walk, and Zimmerman was slowing at the end, and talking on the phone. Assuming the sound is him banging the flashlight, he is trying to look down the sidewalk.
Meanwhile, Martin could cover 450 feet in 30 seconds, at 15 feet per second pace. That is equivalent to a 20 second 100. Not an impossible pace to keep up, even if one was no longer active in sports. If he began running at the curve in the sidewalk, he could be back to Brandy Green’s, sitting on the back porch, impossible for Martin to see because of the distance, darkness, and the wing walls.
While Zimmerman is waiting, he thinks over the call, and realizes why the dispatcher needed an address to punch into the computer. He walks down to Retreat View Circle, and far enough south to get the address (which is on the front of the garages adjacent to the walk up to the front door, with a light next to it). This is 120 feet, Let’s assume a strolling pace of 4.5 feet per second. Zimmerman may have decided simply to give the street address on Retreat View Circle and let the officer then go on south to the back entrance. It is around 3-1/2+ minutes since he last saw Martin.
This is a 55-second round trip. But Zimmerman could have waited a bit on Retreat View Circle and looked south. There is a street light at the northwest corner of the southern intersection of Twin Trees and Retreat View Circle. And he may have waited a while before leaving the location where Martin had last been seen. This puts him back at the T 5-1/2 minutes after Martin had lost been seen.
Martin thinks Zimmerman has left, and walks back up the sidewalk.
“Now cell phones come with GPS so your exact location can be traced. Even when your phone is turned off!! Also, the phones can be used as a listening device. It can be activated via a cell phone tower and law enforcement can listen to everything said within range of the cell phone. The phone doesn’t even have to be turned on. It’s like you are carrying around a microphone. Many ways of listening to people are being developed and put to use right under our noses. ONstar has been used to listen in on criminals by law enforcement. the microphone”
Any thoughts about how this could apply to the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman situation?
What’s missing in the evidence that has been released is evidence of a “depraved mind”, which is an essential element for second degree murder in Florida. Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder (murder with a depraved mind).
Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.
What the evidence in Trayvon Martin case doesn’t show
This news article mentions a lack of evidence of “malice”, but malice is not an element of the crime of second degree murder in Florida. Malice, ill will, and hatred are not the same thing as “depraved mind”, which would show no regard for human life.
O’Mara: Corey has released only about half of her Zimmerman evidence
4:29 p.m. EST, May 21, 2012|
There is the statement in affidavit of probable cause that says Zimmerman “felt that Martin did not belong in the gated community”.
But where does this come from. At page 137 of the 183 page evidence PDF, it says Zimmerman “felt that Martin did not belong in the area”.
But this is in Medical Examiner’s report, and is reporting what Investigator Serino told them. Serino arrived on the scene at 8:00 and called the medical examiner at 8:20. So that is what Serino knew after his cursory examination, and talking to the officers. Most of it is wrong, other than Martin had died of a gunshot to the chest, which is the only part that Serino had actually observed. Serino might have kept the description somewhat general, simply not to prejudice the medical examiner, as to direction of the gunshot, distance, other physical injuries, etc.
The medical examiner arrived at 9:44. Between 8:20 and then, Serino interviewed/taped several residents, and decided there was enough evidence of self defense that he called the police department and told them to remove any restraints on Zimmerman before interviewing him. Serino would not interview Zimmerman until later that night.
And that is what ends up in the Jacksonville prosecutors affidavit, based on a preliminary assessment sufficient to get the medical examiner rolling, and which almost all of is wrong.
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