The second day of witness testimony in the trial of Michael Sussmann for lying to the FBI was completed on Wednesday. For a good recap of the granular aspects Techno Fog has a play-by-play SUMMARY HERE.
For CTH readers I want to focus on a point that is visible in the defense argument and challenging, insofar as it has not yet been revealed, in the prosecution position. The issue surrounds why Rodney Joffe gave the Alfa-bank fraudulent information to Michael Sussmann instead of just giving it to the FBI himself. {A Question Margot Cleveland posits here}
In the cross examination of the first set of prosecution witnesses the defense lawyers keep contending that Sussmann did not lie about the fraudulently created origin of the Alfa-Bank material and there was no reason for him not to tell the FBI he was a courier for the Clinton campaign. The defense is essentially that Sussmann and the FBI knew he was working for the Clinton campaign when he delivered the fraudulent material. Sussmann wasn’t trying to hide anything, ergo he didn’t lie.
Sussmann’s defensive point is essentially true. The DOJ, FBI and everyone associated with the information knew they were receiving opposition research from the Clinton campaign. However, the FBI had to pretend they didn’t know in order to use it to start an investigation.
Margot Cleveland notes at the time in 2016 when these events took place, Rodney Joffe was actually a confidential informant for the FBI.
At the same time Joffe was a CI, he was creating false evidence for the Clinton campaign to bolster their politically motivated Trump-Russia collusion nonsense; the “October Surprise.”
Joffe was dropped as a confidential informant (CI) in 2021 “for cause,” meaning he did something that eventually violated the FBI rules for CI’s to be operating. It’s possible the John Durham investigation had something to do with that decision.
The question for the 2016 events is why Joffe didn’t just give the material to the FBI instead of giving it to Sussmann to give to the FBI?
The answer is really quite simple. The priority of the “October Surprise” was to get the media to write the Trump-Russia collusion stories before the election, hoping the cloud of suspicion would help Hillary Clinton defeat Donald Trump.
It was the media that was important, not just the FBI.
As a confidential informant Rodney Joffe could not take the information to his FBI handler and simultaneously give that information to the media. That would be a violation of the CI rules. If Joffe gave the material to the FBI and then the same FBI saw articles written about the material, they would know: (a) that Joffe violated the rules; and (b) the information was transparently political and thereby useless to them.
However, Michael Sussmann could give the material to the FBI and simultaneously give it to the media in a ‘wrap up smear’ move.
The media were told the FBI had the Alfa-Bank material under investigation, that gave the illusion of credibility. The media then asked the FBI if they did have an investigation of the material and wrote their articles accordingly.
The media articles carried additional weight because the suspicions existing connected to actual material within an FBI investigation gave the suspicions more credibility.
This is the exact same reason why several months later, March 2017, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), Vice-Chairman Mark Warner, told the SSCI security director James Wolfe to leak Carter Page FISA application to journalist Ali Watkins. Same approach as Sussmann.
In 2016 Michael Sussmann wanted media articles verifying Donald Trump as an investigative target of the FBI to help Hillary Clinton.
In 2017 Mark Warner wanted media articles verifying Donald Trump’s campaign officials as investigative targets of the FBI to get a special counsel appointed.
In both examples the primary motive was to use the media to get an outcome.
Michael Sussmann was the delivery agent to the FBI so that the Perkins Coie law firm to lean on their media allies to spread the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy. Sussmann had a pre-existing relationship with FBI Counsel Jim Baker that would be useful for that purpose. Hence, the origin of the case that is now being argued in court.
It was the media angle that was more important, the FBI angle was only to bolster the credibility of the accusation.
Hope that helps.
Hans Mahncke
@HansMahncke
Wow. I wasn’t sure based on tweet reporting what actually happened that got Sussmann’s team so upset but it looks like Elias threw Sussmann under the bus. Totally planned, extremely dirty and strangely beautiful. Whatever happens, the jury won’t be able to unsee or unhear this.
Continue reading …
I hope they all turn on each other. I can live in hope!
Send each of their wives bouquets of red roses on the same day and handwritten notes thanking them for some imaginary tryst and and make sure that both men answer the door for the FTD delivery guy. heh heh heh heh
Gunfight at the OK Coral and EVERYONE has 2 guns and is shooting each other!!!!!!!! WOWZA!!!!!!!
They were probably swapping anyway, like the FBI agent in the Whitmer/J6 entrapments. If you ask yourself “In what way could this ball of snakes be MORE incestuous?” and you answer that question, you will likely find they are doing that, too.
You are so outdated and square James. Everyone who is anyone is literally in bed with each other’s wives. It’s a right of passage with these pagans. It’s why you seldom here of it, it’s excepted and common.
Fifteen years ago in youth sports our coach was invited to a yearly “Halloween party”. He was a close enough friend to tell me why I wasn’t invited with all the other coaches. I didn’t swap! Soon to find out every sport harbored the same coaches and parents, new coaches brought new participants.
You see that and then the numbers on divorce become transparent.
I coached beside them and never knew. And my sons never were chosen for any school teams in high school.
If you get that feeling something is amiss with people, trust yourself. We are trained to ignore those hints. I found they may not always be what you think they are, but always they have meaning.
Sex is recreational today, and sharing is coexisting. What they say is all based on words not meaning.
Eyes Wide Shut was a documentary.
The only chance against the deep state are these internecine shootouts. They’re forever out-of-range of the People’s bullets, even if the latter was inclined to shoot, which it isn’t.
Just wish the public could see it!
Sundance, that is the prosecution plan, they’ve all been in grand juries and now the courtroom lying commences
That would be the best outcome, Civil war is a messy thing.
What an absurd argument Sussmann’s lawyer presents in his motion to strike portions of Elias’ testimony or to declare a mistrial.
No witness in any trial is obligated to protect the Fifth Amendment right of another (in fact, there is really no such thing!), and if any witness has given testimony that is “prejudicial” to the legal interest of another witness, it is the prerogative of the latter to speak in his defense if he so chooses, thus waiving his right not to testify under the Fifth Amendment.
Or said witness can choose to preserve his Fifth Amendment rights, and thus leave the possibly prejudicial testimony of another witness ‘hanging in the air’ as a matter for the jury to consider without waiving his Fifth Amendment right not to testify.
We know Judge Cooper has ties to the defense, but to rule in favor of this hair-raising stupidity would be to reveal he truly knows nothing about the law.
Obama didn’t appoint judges to the DC federal bench because they are legal giants – appointments were made on the party loyalty factor.
Bingo! The Dems are much, much better at doing what it takes to win, at any cost, than the GOP
Again, I say when Hildebeast goes to jail, justice will be served. Should we all hold our breath?
And, now it’s based on race and gender.
I want to know why Elias hasn’t faced any discipline over the FEC findings regarding the use of Perkins Coie as a cutout in hiring Fusion and recording Fusion payments as “legal expense”. As the head Hillary campaign lawyer, he should be held responsible
Agreed. “Conspiring to violate the FEC law” AKA laundering funds via the Perkins accounts – sounds like a slam dunk.
Because Eric Holder still has plenty of uses for Marc Elias. Elias has a very successful track record doing what he does on the periphery of elections, and redistricting law cases.
For the last three years, Holder and his group at Covington & Burling have concentrated heavily on derailing redistricting efforts of GOP dominated state legislatures, and drawing Dem-favorable maps for Blue state legislatures.
IOW, For the moment, Elias is still useful to those running this farce we call a government, from the shadows.
Because of the two-tiered justice system. The ones on the evil side are protected from prosecution 99% of the time. The good guys get put through the wringer.
I’ll agree there is meat on the table for sure as you note. But this case is about lying to the federal investigators…against sussman. I haven’t seen a single set of evidence to show that durham is investigating or even thinking of charging elias. He could, but that hasn’t happened …yet?
also, I would argue that FEC violations are not something that is consistent with the scope authority given to durham, and frankly I would agree that durham stay focused on the mission. FEC violations climb to misdemeanor level risks. That’s it.
Of course, I am looking through this from the lens that durham is/WAS delegated the authority to investigate and prosecute crimes directly and indirectly related to the russia hoax/fraud. Obviously, given his performance thus far, I am not convinced durham is properly motivated to actually perform that task. So it would be unsurprising he also decides to leave a lot of other crimes off the table too.
But even if this FEC violation is actionable…I don’t see him spending any time on it for this trial or any other.
jmho
The nut & bolts, twists and turns of Trump Russia seem really diluted. The fact of the matter is the Kenyan and the Evil Hag with the blue dress staining husband were every bit as involved criminally as any of the underlings.
Which of the two do suppose will be held accountable?
Zero
Pay attention underlings … Seth Rich has already been Arkancided.
We literally dodge a bullet with Trumps presidency. Normies like me would still be in the dark.
Thank you Sundance for all that you do.
Russia, Please Boil the Swamp.
I love my country.
But!
What happened to the Federalists Papers?
John Locke, Natural Law; Life, Liberty, and Property Rights?
Our founding documents.
New Plandenics planed and coming to Control elections? Monkeyflu?
Socialism is the believe that our votes matter. But don’t.
Communism is there is only one candidate.
Want rice? Vote for the one.
? Britexit?
Didn’t happen. Gone?
I can see it now: the Monkey Pox requires absentee ballots in all states for Nov. election.
California has already sent out mid-term ballots with instructions to return them by mail, and yes they are using Dominion machines.
Results of next November’s election will be announced this June!
On FOX News.
I was about to say: it makes no difference, is there a snowball’s chance CA could go red? But maybe you just explained how CA stays blue and on the path of self destruction.
Except maybe CA really isn’t as blue as led to believe. It wasn’t that long ago they were purple, and not that much farther back they were red. Maybe they are that blue because of voter fraud, not reality.
But perception shapes opinion so if everyone thinks all their neighbors voted that way they think they must be missing something. A whole lot of the country doesn’t think independently. For reference, see pop culture.
Tangentially, see how many strangers’ eyes you meet while going about your daily business, as opposed to their eyes being fixed on their cell phones. It’s a de-personalization of society, as if they’re not people, but just components plugged into a giant machine, like little USB sticks or something. Constantly downloading data, and attitude, and perception…. Programmable humans.
This is an important point, and worth considering everywhere, not just California. Should voter fraud ever be successfully challenged, a whole lot of currently blue and purple states would change color.
Correct … and why the RATS are infesting America with illegal aliens – to replace their 70million Aborted voters
Having lived in and traveled all over California not that many years ago, unfortunately, yes, it’s a pretty blue state. I’d estimate 55-45 or 60-40 in favor of Dems. Texas is red, but only like 52-48 at best. Once Texas goes blue due to illegals, this country will be a permanent one party ruled extension of the global world order.
RAT. MUST. CHEAT.
Or they lose … so yes … California is not that blue.
As Stalin & Donna Brazile clarified … the vote counter determines the election outcome.
The RNC & GOP have known of the RATS massive cheat-empire ever since the dead of Chicago elected JFK … they have done nothing to stop the RAT cheat because they don’t care that RATS cheat in every election.
California is already Venezuela North and what the Democrats want the whole country to look like! Once the voting system is rigged keeping control is easy! The Dominion Voting System and mail in ballots are essential to keeping California a one party state!
The CDC says the Monkey Pox has been detected in Massachusetts. Get ready!
And here I thought Pennsylvania was the “dropbox”
https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2022/01/pa-monkey-truck-crash-spawns-conspiracy-theories-after-woman-at-scene-falls-ill.html?outputType=amp
Yup.
Just as the gay community was responsible for the explosive spread of AIDS … the LGBTQUXYZ deviants are responsible for monkeypox.
Well, this is plausible SD, no doubt. It also leaves me with a sick feeling that since CI Joffe was a principal, they’re gonna pull a Bill Barr.. ” for the good of the agency and all-hail DOJ! ” and they’ll get Sussman on lying ( year probation ) and then they’ll cut a deal with Joffe as not to go to trial and drag this out.
No way I can fathom the FBI is going to end up having your above angle come out in the media. Joffe cheated, and was either known to be doing so or .. those that should have known better didn’t shut any of it down at any inflection point as this scheme moved from Oct Surprise to kneecap the new President because , dang, what happens now if he finds out what we did??!!!
See from about time 51:00-52:00 or so in this video, for a few seconds you can actually see John Durham is real -he is moving! Actually see him at 52:30 minutes in.
> video ToreSays MAY 16 2022
Didn’t see Durham, but that is the first I have seen of ToreSays since she left RedState.
They were all looking over their shoulders for the dreaded “Arcancide.”
“I caught them. I caught them all.”
I just learned that Glenn Beck has scheduled Barr for an hour-long sit-down next month.
Until your comment, I failed to see the importance of this.
Cheeto Face and Bondo Barr will make an interesting tag team. No thanks, two individuals desperate to repair their self-ruined reputations.
Wow, a different photo of John Durham.
Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC
How bad were the FBI’s confidential human sources for Spygate?
-Rodney Joffe disseminated phony computer records
-Chris Steele disseminated the phony dossier
-Stefan Halper concocted a fake story about Michael Flynn
3:06 PM · May 18, 2022
And yet, multible FBI and SC cases were opened to pursue Trump, his family and associates. This judge is conflicted and should recuse himself. Why didnt Durham demand a change of venue. How can this be an impartial jury when the pool is also biased. I dont see anything coming of this.
As Sundance pointed out in this article – they all knew all of the “dirt” was phony. Their informants were cover for them to investigate PDJT and inject it into the media.
They weren’t bad – they were doing exactly what the FBI wanted, which was to traffic the hoax into the system.
This !! 100%
Techno Fog had a nice but infuriating tidbit: the wife of defense witness Jake Sullivan, Ms. Margaret Goodlander, is a DOJ counsel for AG Merrittless Garland…… and she has NOT recused herself!!!!
Time for the readers and researchers to produce an Ancestry.com-style giant wall chart of ALL the spouses (and their kids and in-laws) and siblings and college buddies of each corrupt potential perp and find out where they work in Government, Judiciary, Think Tanks, Police Departments, Academia, Media, Hollywood, Tech……
Again, to not beat a dead horse; will a journalist please interview Strzok’s jilted SEC official wifey Melissa, please!!! Or Page’s hubby!!! Get the dirt… and maybe another stack of PRIVATE phone texts between the most prodigious texting lovebirds of all time.
This is long overdue. It should be a beautifully organized and presented public data set with parametric search, and with a news-driven who’s who feature.
What an incestuous bunch. They are all intertwined like a can of nightcrawlers.
Even the jury has ties to the defendant. No big deal, says the judge, who also has ties.
Great metaphor!
“Follow the wives”.
Anybody remember that quote?
I maintain a similar database of people within a closed professional group as part of my work. I track personnel movements within my profession, mostly for my own personal use and information. The more you know, etc.
Something like this sounds useful and easy enough in theory, but would be EXTREMELY difficult to maintain, primarily because people change jobs ALL THE TIME. And then you would have to KNOW they changed jobs, which information can lag by months or even years.
It would be a full time job for several people to maintain this sort of otherwise simple database.
Incestry.com
Would a not guilty verdict actually spell MORE trouble and not less for the conspirators?
The jury finding that the FBI knew who Sussman was acting in behalf of, in my opinion, takes Durham to a place no one wants to go.
Barr certainly didn’t want to go there!!
Durham et al may well not be in complete control of where this is going. There are a lot of scared, human and unpredictable moving parts in this scenario and its playing in a relatively public forum not their standard subterranean environment.
The Clinton campaign and the Clinton foundation took in lots of foreign money because she was guaranteed to win. BUT when she lost they needed a reason why she lost so as not to have to give the money back. Russian collusion was the answer.
Sounds remarkably like Strzok’s, “insurance policy.”
Sussmann’s defense is having the trial in DC where about 96% of the jury pool is Democratic and Hillary Clinton supporters.
This site is where I first read of the Russian collusion hoax; Sundance has been ahead of the curve on this from the beginning. Long before just about anyone else was willing to talk about this, Sundance saw and reported the truth. The wheels of justice grind slowly, the saying goes, but they grind exceedingly fine. Let’s hope that is true in this case, and that Sundance is wrong when he says that no government official, like Strzok, Comey, McCabe, Page, etc. will be prosecuted, much less Hillary and her minions.
This prosecution needs to take down the corrupt FBI. People need to go to jail.
Don’t forget Brennan. Strzok was working for both him and Comey.
Not to mention when Joffe goes to his handler with the same Alfa Bank info, the FBI now thinks they have gotten these allegations from 2 different sources, making it more believable
I would love to have heard Marc Elias telling Michael Sussmann how he was so much more important that Sussmann would have to go to prison for him.
Straight to Club Fed with champagne, caviar, private chefs, tennis courts. That will teach them!
From reading the testimony of these witnesses, it seems like they are making a strong case for FBI involvement in these crime despite Durham’s denials.
Exactly-that’s where this is going. Jeepers, we tried our best. Everyone walks away.
Oh well, if Sussman didn’t lie then he didn’t lie. Baker was supposed to know. Seems more than plausible for a jury of Clinton and AOC donors. Case closed. Let’s all move on. Why waste anymore time or money?
Pull up your Levi’s Levi and walk with the big kids. This process by which politicians in DC work, is being exposed for the lie it is. The DS openly works to destroy this country. And they are all in the game, eventually.
How many thousands of declassified documents have already exposed the massive criminal conspiracy of multiple institutions of this government?
Pretty sure that all led to a giant probation plea deal for knowingly altering evidence. That level of legal repercussion must have all of DC shaking to its core.
My Levi’s are comfortable, stylish and up to date. The real deal. No fakes, no imitations.
Yes indeed, Joseph, the DS openly works to destroy this country. Cheers!
looks Like this clock has tick toked -nothing here except to hear the not guilty verdict for Sussman -not any guiltier than EVERYONE else – so on that scale of not guiltier= acquital- DC style verdict result
Clear as the mud in a Chappaqua backyard.
At the very least (and that’s all it probably will be), the next coup attempt might give ‘the courier’, the lacky, ie, the fall guy, second thoughts. Get into the lexicon, ‘I won’t be sussmanned’, abbreviated, ‘I won’t be sussed’.
helps alot. The “wrapup smear” eh? It is good to have a name for it.
Seems to go hand in hand with the political endemic of “lying to the FBI”.
“Hey, worst case, our judge gives you a few weeks sentence for lying to the FBI. Either way you’ll love Aruba.”
I don’t see Megyn Kelly. she should be up front and center.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/megyn-kelly-tank-hillary
Me Again Kelly, another one who is desperate to repair her self-ruined reputation.
The money must be pretty good for these people (Barr, Beck, Kelly) to keep on trying to get back into the public’s good graces in spite of what they themselves ruined. Shame must be so passé.
Thank you for reposting this from 2016 featueing Kelly and Gingrich.
Yep, Kelly is or at least WAS “With Her”. Very clear
This single phrase from the lead sentence in Sundance’s article says it all.
“..the trial of Michael Sussmann for lying to the FBI.”
Hung Jury and dismissal in this trial.
No apologies.
No retractions.
All law suits by President Trump and his associated are tossed … or now target a few meaningless, penniless targets to hit.
Notice, the charges vs ALL the associates of president Trump were “lying to the FBI” for matters not related to Russia-Russia, so NOT a single one of those cases has to be redone or even reconsidered. The Mueller Gang was very very careful in their targeting mechanisms.
For the last 10 years, Hillary Clinton has been nothing but a distraction so the Obama Crime Family could operate. Hillary, the squirrel.
I see lots of comments about “justice” and “more people going to jail” and things like that. Sundance has been telling you, but apparently a lot of people aren’t listening -This trial is not about pulling the thread to unravel the entire garment. This trial is about tying the knot on the thread to keep the garment intact. They are using co-conspirator testimony to get Sussman. That means the co-conspirators are not in legal jeopardy.
IMO, the tying of the knot you have described only increases the anger at the injustice.
It could possibly mean that true justice will come to the criminals, just not in the current conditions.
Nothing we see or hear concerning this matter changes the truth and the dissimination of the truth.
We all know and we are not going to forget. This trial makes it possible for us to show doubters the mechanisms of corruption and how they were deceived.
and if that is not convincing enough (it is for the record, I am just musing other factual reasons why durham is never going to solve the russia hoax/fraud puzzle), here are the other reasons to suspend any illusions about what is going to happen moving forward:
A. You don’t go to sussman as your first take down. That is to say, if your goal is to indict those who conspired. But durham did just that. And he never has charged ANYONE with a conspiracy. Only for lying to investigators.
B. Durham has only 9 prosecutors. Logistically, this small size means he will never be capable of doing the work required to build cases OUT to scope a conspiracy. It’s just not possible, given the large number of conspirators who played a direct and indirect part in this conspiracy. I would argue that at least 100 prosecutors is REQUIRED to actually do the investigations, conduct the grand juries, select a strategy that implicates and thus produces testimonies in exchange for light or immunity from prosecution, and then to actually file these cases in a court and begin proceeding. Durham has not done these things. His team is fixed in an impossibly small size that will never be able to make it past more than 3 possibly 4 indictments. It’s just a math and logistics issue.
C. His record. What has he produced. Not a single charge of conspiracy to ANYONE,,,externally or “internally”. It’s just simple lying violations. These people will if convicted (which is doubtful), receive a fine, a strong monologue from a judge and then take the next limo to celebrate their victory. Just like klinesmith. Exactly like klinesmith. They all walk with some plea deal so they can avoid a hard fine and possibly jail time. (no one is going to jail…everyone keeps their law license…a fine is paid and that’s that)
I would really like to be wrong about the outcome of the durman investigation. But I have learned one thing in these last twenty years. There are no white knights coming to save this nation from itself. Not the DOJ…Not my elected representative…Not my neighbor. I have to put in the work and see for myself what is the truth and what it means.
When I first looked at durham, like most I was wildly giddy at the possibility that something is about to break. But then I started MYSELF to look at the details. I started to try to understand the history of durham in prior cases too. Where he found success and where he failed. There has never been a more dangerous conspiracy that has been organized in all of US history. Not one. This one literally takes the cake…all of it. And then some.
my first red flag was the 9 prosecutors….
then it was the delays to take any action.
then it was how klinesmith was handled
then it was how the DOJ AG basically gave a get out of jail card to many FBI and DOJ officials who were at the very center of abusing their power to conjur up this hoax.
then it was reading sundance and understanding from his view what barr and durham really are after: the bondo and spray paint. It matches the pattern very well.
My view of the DOJ and FBI is below negative. My view of the possibilities that durham will have any effects or force changes to either of these two police state agencies is never going to happen.
God Bless America
“My view of the DOJ and FBI is below negative”
5 years ago, I would have never thought anything close to that. But the last 5 years has been such an eye opener, in a bad way. IMO, it is clear that the DoJ, including the FBI, have their FIRST priority as “protecting the DoJ and FBI at any cost, even if it means covering up illegal activity”.
I am still dumbfounded that the DoJ/FBI/CIA/NSA participated in ILLEGALLY spying on a presidential candidate, leaking knowingly false claims to sink his candidacy, then turning the DoJ on him to remove him from office when he won the election. It is proveable beyond a reasonable doubt that they did that, but only 1 person in the government was prosecuted for that, and had his wrist slapped and got his law license back with a couple of months.
In any sane world, there are 30-40 people who were in government at that time who should be spending life in prison for attempting a coup.
God Help America
At what point will we get the deep dive into the Office of Net Assessments?
Halper? Halper? Halper? (instead of Beullar)
Did the FBI tell Joffee to go to Sussman? Maybe they had a meeting so everyone could be sure to do it “by the book.” Asking for a friend.
Follow this person reporting from the court for the play by play
They tried for mistrial and at the end of day defense billed Clinton campaign and Elias employed the Mamet principle on things but kind of let Sussman dangle
Elias is also going to be next on the defense side of the aisle in due time
Something inside me snapped years ago when Lois Lerner was allowed to give a defensive speech while pleading the 5th amendment – I knew it wasn’t allowed and I also knew it was what the media would show. And I knew if I ever tried to pull that stunt, they’d revoke my 5th amendment privilege. I used to love these sorts of cases, going down every rabbit hole I could find. But knowing nothing is going to happen to the conspirators in this case is too depressing to me.
Catherine Englebrecht of Tue the Vote should be in our history books alongside Paul Revere and George Washington. She dared to seek to have an honest voice in Washington and was rewarded by being attacked by the Congress, the IRS, OSHA and any other half a dozen agencies seeking to silence her.
And she is the driving force behind the revelations in 200o Mules. She has succeeding with what she started True The Vote. She exposed the MASSIVE conspiracy to commit vote fraud in the United States.
50/50!
This is at best a 50/50 chance anything will come of this. It’s more likely Playhouse 90/Kabuki to placate MAGA (the vast majority of the country) that there is justice still in the USA.
We’ll see.
There’s ALWAYS a spouse in the DOJ, FBI, CIA, Brookings Institute, CNN, somewhere they can influence outcomes. They nearly always maintain their maiden names to obscure the conflict of interest. They never declare that conflict.
Do these people marry for any reason than what their spouse can do for them? It’s like we’re re-entering feudal times.
No they don’t. That is why the swamp is so inbred.
I wonder how different the world might be today if Sundance would have been in Trump’s inner circle since 2016?
You don’t have to wonder about it:
me and hundreds of other people were directly sending sundance’s work and articles to President Trump since 2017. It’s possible other “small groups” were operating parallel too and even before 2017.
The feedback was positive. We verified that it many of the key articles were read out to the President, OUR President.
The point is this: awareness of a truth doesn’t change make.
the trigger that engages stage 4 (transfer of power) from stage 3 (awareness) is more fundamental and very different from awareness.
awareness is necessary but it does not promote transfer of power.
there is something else.
it’s called pain..unbearable pain….the prospect of losing everything and therfore putting everything on the line to protect it and demolish your opponents who are trying their level best to steal from you.
President Trump handled himself and as a leader very very well. I am not going to put this on him.
the reality IS that then and NOW ..THE PEOPLE are still stuck in awareness. They just simply have not experienced enough pain yet.
but it will happen. it will happen because the corruptors do not have any restraint and the goal is to take it all. all of it.
President Trump was informed by many. It was necessary to inform him of the facts and what this nations is up against. He knows most of it but the details are very important.
President Trump flipped the switch and everyone got to see what DC looks like under natural light.
here is the big question: will people find it obligatory to communicate directly to the next President of the United States with verifiable, actionable, evidence and fact based journalism?
it’s a contract . That’s how I have always viewed it. He is my President, but my obligation is to inform him of my interests and the truths that help me (or HER!) navigate and find success.
I honor that contract because I pledge allegiance to the flag, the constitution that I will defend with my own life. I believe in America. I believe it because its the best government of society that has ever been designed my men. Men, whom were inspired and followed the tenants of a Christian world view. I honor that, because it’s worth defending and supporting.
I am lucky. I am humbled by my good fortune that I was not born into some shithole country.
I was born INTO AMERICA. I was blessed to have this experience.
It’s worth the sacrifice…every drop of blood to save this nation from scofflaws and criminals.
I will never make the history books. I will never be given a medal or honored. But I will sleep easy at night, KNOWING my cause of righteous and sound.
To anyone who has any doubts about what to do in life I just have one simple message: make your life mean something….something that others who follow you can count on and depend on. In a cemetary across my street is a special plot of civil war and revolutionary soldiers who died for THEIR CAUSE. It’s a small cemetary. I don’t even think most people even are aware of it. There are over 60 headstones marking the deaths of patriots who made a decision in their lives to mean something more than just living out an existence.
I am here today and arguably everyone else because they people decided to make something out of their lives.
I don’t want to live forever. I just want the life I have had, something that future generations can have the chance to experience too.
it’s just that simple. How can I possibly care about others if I am not willing to protect the very thing that means the most.
god
family
country
long soldier,
regitiger
Not sure why anyone claims that making up lies is “opposition research”.
They have to pretend not to know things. Hence the mental illness.
A lot to digest here. Thanks, Sundance and TechnoFog.
Big news to me is that Joffe – with his top secret access to electronic data to and from the EO of the President, and who knows where else – was a CI to the FBI. Seems like a conspiracy to violate secrecy rules, in which the FBI was the top dog.
So if “wink-wink, nod-nod” the FBI knew and wanted Sussman to lie about his (temporary) disconnect from the Clinton payroll, then in Jim Baker’s mind he knew Sussman was lying and was part of the scheme.
Since Sundance has clearly pointed out that Durham is NOT going to go after any FBI or DoJ criminal, AND the FBI/DoJ was already on the warpath to get rid of Trump, this is all for show. Sussman is just a messenger boy. All the real criminals are “made” by the Deep Cesspool and will skate.
lets also be clear, all these players are out of gov’t sans a few like Jake Sullivan, who I believe will be eventually indicted
Here we are six years later and still floundering around in the minutiae of the events that surround this obvious crime. Anyone who expects to see justice in this century needs a reality check.
Does anyone know when SD is planning on releasing his book ?
It helps explain that it will be truly shocking if a swamp jury convicts Sussman.
So apparently a juror’s daughter is friends with Sussman’s daughter:
Judge Cooper has denied the request by prosecutors to remove Juror #5 from the panel because her daughter and Sussmann’s daughter are on the same crew team. #SussmannTrial
Clear bias
The presidential briefing to Trump declared that the dossier was BUNK from the outset.
Sussman claims that he didn’t “really” lie because the FBI already knew who he was working for when he said he was not working for anyone. Well, that is still lying to the FBI and should not be a viable defense. Does not matter if they knew it was a lie or not. I call BS on that.
As a confidential informant Rodney Joffe could not take the information to his FBI handler and simultaneously give that information to the media. That would be a violation of the CI rules.
A violation that Christopher Steele—also an FBI CI—-had no problem violating.
Handwritten Notes From 2017 Show FBI Agents Mislead DOJ On The Trump-Russia Investigation
BY: HANS MAHNCKE AND STEPHEN MCINTYRE
MAY 19, 2022
https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/19/handwritten-notes-from-2017-show-fbi-agents-mislead-doj-on-the-trump-russia-investigation/
Crucially, public release of the notes came after the five-year statute of limitations had lapsed in March of this year. The question is why the DOJ — and Durham in particular — gave the FBI a free pass. The uncomfortable answer may be that, as has been suspected for a while, Durham’s authority is effectively limited to private actors such as Sussmann and Danchenko and does not extend to public officials such as McCabe and Strzok.
Hope they all get nailed to the wall, but they are very good at deception and building reasonable doubt, covering their tracks, and not recording that which they don’t want recorded, and they’ve had 5 years to do it. If Sussmann starts squealing I’ll feel a lot more optimistic.
squealing? why would he do that? durham isn’t presenting him with any plea deal for squealing. The moment has passed when any possible negotiated pleas are to be done. Durham never made that opportunity. Understand this clearly.
durham specifically charged sussman and sussman ALONE with a simple lying to federal investigators charge. There is no plea offer.
Now, sussman may possibly decide IN THIS TRIAL to enter a guilty plea but that is very very unlikely. In fact, the evidence and more importantly the critical debate presented by prosecutors and defense are just as likely to result in the jury NOT being convinced he actually lied. It’s a nuance that many people are not tracking:
the issue is whether suss lied about representing a client when he met baker. Baker says emphatically no, his memory is clear that sussman was NOT representing a client. But baker’s testimony now in court is at odds with several text messages, one congressional testimony, and he changed his tune at least twice. This discounts the value of baker in terms of a slam dunk.
There are also other problems “facing” the prosecutors case too. And as you would imagine correctly, it is obvious they “failed” to bring a total case here. Total in the sense that there is not sufficient evidence to prove his guilt and also inability to get the judge to agree to entering very relevant conspiratorial evidence…And also to have the judge and also at least one juror recused for obvious conflicts.
So sussman is well aware of these cracks in the case.
Even if he was to consider dropping a guilty plea it would be foolish for two reasons:
there is no benefit to him for doing so.
any sentence he faces will likely be minimal a fine and no jail time and keeps his law license.
and the separately, but addressing your main question:
durham has never offered anything for his testimony that implicates others.
durham is the reason why this case will fail
durham is the reason why the biggest criminal conspiracy that has ever happened in the US all the way to top is never going to see a court room.
sussman knows these things. he will wait for the jury to find insufficient evidence and he remains not guilty…not proven guilty.
there is also this: and take this with a large grain of salt…but also understand this is a very real issue in this court case. Sussman as we know was representing a client. Obviously he charged the clinton campaign for his services. Whether he admitted and declared poses an interesting delimna and hurdle for durham. For example, there is ample evidence that sussman was actually representing a cyber tech company that he had a business relationship. neustar. it could be argued he billed the clinton campaign for something entirely different…but was actually representing neustar and just did not reveal it to baker. There is some legal wheels spinning this narrative. What does this mean?
it means that durham will be facing a defense that says…okay, he lied…but it was not for any benefit of the clinton campaign..it was a cyber company ….
then we are off to the races that vaporizes the foundations and targets of the durham trial.
THEN the question becomes:
will durham THEN proceed with taking a dip in the conspiracy pool?
that’s an interesting question that has one answer: He will not.
He will pull up the stakes, throw up his hands, take the loss, sussman walks and everyone goes home…and alive.
jmho
God Bless America
Wake me when Hildebeast is behind bars. Unfortunately, all of this, is for NOT, if no one is held accountable!!! There are 2000 Mules that are walking free!
Still the FIB was working OCONUS lures the first half of 2016 so I’m betting they were all in as soon as Donald came down the stairs, or shortly thereafter.
wow, poor Hillary couldn’t win without lying about Trump! She couldn’t win, even by lying about Trump!
just like Biden couldn’t win without cheating
Since neither FOX or leftist CSPAN will broadcast this trial, I was hoping the Sundance could get a livestream of it from somewhere. They are acting like what they accuse Russia of doing, hiding a trial that is negative to the democrats’ agenda. Shame on CSPAN for not showing it. We are being treated like fools and I’m tired of it.
it is not being broadcast…at all
Electronic media coverage of criminal proceedings in federal courts has been expressly prohibited under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 53 since the criminal rules were adopted in 1946.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_53
further: this federal judge did not agree to an exception from this rule. He could have, but there were no arguments made to establish a rule making decision by the judge.
you know a conspiracy to take down a president of the united states apparently doesn’t have a “public interest” value…right?
another thing you can place directly on Durham in his long list of failures. He could have made the case and requested live video of this trial. Whether the judge would have agreed is another matter. But durham did not even take up the issue.
funny how that works. Funny as in outrageous.
I wonder if this is the new strategy to take down biased left-wing organisations. You can’t attack frontally, so manoeuvre them into positions where they have to disclose information (Twitter) which can allow their capture or destruction. Or, get them to show their institutional bias and therefore condemn them to phyrric victories at best (Durham).