Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman – Open Discussion Thread

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Odd Notation:  Which side of the family courtroom is more diverse?

They Have A Jury

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Today, June 21st, is DAY #10 (of 2nd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.  Yesterday they got a jury impanelled:  [Day #9 Summary Here]

Yesterday they selected 6 primary jurists, and 4 alternates.   All of the primary jurors are female.  Here’s the breakdown:

B-29: A “Black-Hispanic” (?) nurse on an Alzheimer’s ward who has several children and lived in Chicago at the time of shooting. She’s married. She said she doesn’t watch the news, preferring reality television: “Right when we got here, I got cable… I love my reality shows.” During jury selection, she said she was arrested once in Chicago.

B-76: A white, middle-aged woman -40’s- who said Zimmerman had an “altercation with the young man. There was a struggle and the gun went off.” Has been married 30 years, and is unemployed. She formerly worked with her husband in his construction company. Her 28-year-old son is an attorney in Seminole County. She also has a daughter, 26, has been a victim of non-violent crime and rescues “a lot of pets.” The state tried to strike her, but was denied.

B-37: A middle-aged white woman -50’s-who has worked for a chiropractor for 16 years and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford as “rioting.” Her husband is an attorney. She has two daughters: A 24-year-old dog groomer and a 27-year-old who attends the University of Central Florida. Girls 24, grooms pets. She uused to have concealed weapons permit, but let it lapse. Her husband also has one.

B-51: A retired white woman -60’s- from Oviedo who has a dog and 20-year-old cat. She knew a good deal about the case, but said “I’m not rigid in my thinking.” She has been in Seminole County for nine years, is unmarried and has no kids. B-51 previously lived in Atlanta, and used to work in real estate. She also ran a call center in Brevard County which she said had 1,200 employees.

E-6: A young white woman -20’s- and mother who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her two adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night. She has lived in Seminole County for eight years, and is married to an engineer. E-6 was arrested in Brevard County, but said she “was treated completely fairly.” Her husband has guns. The state tried to strike her from the jury, but was denied.

E-40: A white woman in her 60’s who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting. She heard national news reports and recalls the shooting was in a gated community and a teenager was killed. She described herself as safety officer, is married to a chemical engineer and loves football. She has a 28-year-old son who’s out of work. She said she’s very well versed in cell phone technology, and has been a victim of crime.

The alternates are:

            1. E54 a white male in his 60’s
            2. B72 a mixed race male in his 20’s
            3. E13 a white female in her 20’s
            4. E28 a white female in her 50’s 

Yesterday Judge Nelson also heard the last of the Frye hearing experts, and will rule on whether or not the jury will hear the conflicting testimony of audio experts about who was screaming for help on the 911 tapes.  If the defense loses, and Nelson lets that argument take place, they are in a pickle – Because their experts have claimed no-one can determine who is screaming, while the prosecution has claimed their experts reflect it was Trayvon’s voice calling for help.     They also have other business (various motions) to attend today.

Judge Nelson 4

Four Live-Streaming Links:

http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

Hat Tip Rumpole for the list.
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392 Responses to Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman – Open Discussion Thread

  1. Mr. Izz says:

    What other motions are going to be addressed? Do we know what those are, or will they be presented to the court today?

  2. eastern2western says:

    the black Hispanic who works in Alzheimer’s ward could probably relate to George because he has a grandma who has Alzheimer’s.

  3. eastern2western says:

    nelson decision on frye will determine what kind of judge she is. god, first time I had witnessed a state employee trying so hard to pawn voodoo as science in a court of law. that power point presentation made by mantei is just purest form of cherrie picking and misrepresentation. If nelson accepts those junk as legitimate science, I am sure that every forensic specialist in the world will volunteer to rip them apart. most of them are even willing to pay their own tickets.

  4. eastern2western says:

    who the heck is this crazy cousin of theirs because how can she claim the whole Zimmerman family is racist. she is going to have some interesting family reunions.

  5. Joel says:

    I wonder what strange oddity will come today.

    • Mr. Izz says:

      Because it’s Friday, Friday, getting down on Friday. Everybody looking forward to the weekend, weekend!

  6. JW says:

    even if biased nelson allows the “experts” for the state the defense will just put on the same presentation to discredit them. if this jury has an ounce of common sense they will see it for what it is.

  7. eastern2western says:

    If she is going to accept the crazy voice listener, then trent sawyer should definitely get a job because he definitely identified the George Zimmerman shadow during the night of the shooting, I am sure trent would love to make 3k per day as a shadow specialist.

  8. allhail2 says:

    So Stir Crazy Jerry is filing suit against MOM. He has some do-goodder civil rights group representing him. Apparently he is upset bc MOM referred to him as s stealth juror, thereby violating his right to be an impartial juror or something similarly stupid.

    Didn’t know if it wad already mentioned.

  9. eastern2western says:

    basically, angela corey will invent her own brand of snake oil to contradict the results made by the fbi and fdle, but corey expects the jury to buy her snake oil

  10. Lou says:

    some may not believe it, but I believe the Judge is developing sympathy for George. he has been so respectful under less than respectful conditions. she sees through the scheme, and is not willing to help put an innocent man away for life because of some agenda. she proved this yesterday with jury selection.

    • Mr. Izz says:

      I’m not so sure yet. I do not believe a few hours compares to the previous few months of perceived bias. We shall see though. Maybe the judge got a stern talking to from someone above her, or maybe she realizes she is in over her head and is looking bad. Her actions over the next week will be extremely telling.

    • cboldt says:

      Judges do not have sympathy for anybody they cross in their work, and that goes triple for defendants. Nelson is as much a sociopath as are Corey and de la Rionda.
      She is going to seriously hamstring (as if any hamstringing can be “not serious!”) the defense as to what it can present about Martin. De la Rionda has a tightrope hammering between “can’t consider what isn’t in evidence” (Martin fighting reputation, angry) and “circumstantial evidence” (Zimmerman frustrated wannabe cop confronting Martin).

  11. eastern2western says:


    the good old 4 minute question. a normal black kid his age can finish 100 meter dash in 10 seconds. he may not be in such good shape as the kid in the video, then it would take him about 20 seconds to get to brandi greene’s house. okay, let him have 1 minute because of the baggie pants. Then he still had 3 minutes left during his talk with dd. what was he doing for the rest of the three minutes instead of going home? If he did not ran in a linear fashion, then was trayvon in that much of fear at all? the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. trayvon had 4 minutes with his girl friend before his attack. then how come he could had gotten home and locked the door already. dd claimed trayvon ran till he was out of breath. If a kid his age took a dash till he was out of breath, he could had gotten at least 200 meters before he was out of breath. This time line is what baldo has to work with and lets hope he produces a convincing time line. Judging from mantei’s closing statement, baldo may just blow a lot of smoke over it. There is no way baldo can hide trayvon’s past when the physical conditions of both parties are playing a pivotal role in the case. If baldo want to create the mythical trayvon who had no muscles and too weak to run from Zimmerman, then the gate is completely open.

  12. eastern2western says:


    giving trayvon 1 minute is too much time. a bunch of fat guys ran a 100 in 30 seconds. hmm, that would leave trayvon with 3 minutes and 30 seconds. what was he doing with the extra time? I know the defense team checks on this site for ideas (that is how don west got the youtube video for tom owen from). may be O’Mara should look into this extra gap in time.

    • Mr. Izz says:

      At the age of 17 I could run the 100 in about 11 or 12 seconds. Fully clothed, rainy night, uneven ground, poor visibility…. figure 20 seconds maximum. It could easily be down around 16 though. No one wants to believe that MINUTES went by before the confrontation happened. In addition to what you are saying, the confrontation happened much closer to Zimmerman’s vehicle, meaning, Trayvon would have had to work his way back to Zimmerman. There isn’t any other possibility.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Izz –
        That is exact. I wonder how long it will take the jury to “figure out” the geometry, the “darkness” (visibility 20 yards), and the four minutes. There is NO WAY that George could have “followed” Mr. Zimmerman – who had a four minute head start. This is just Mr. Crumps BGI lie – floating to the surface.

      • ftsk420 says:

        I was on a website the other day and they broke this down in feet. Trayvon Martin being 17 and a football player with his 2 minutes head start should have been a 1/4 mile ahead of George or about 1300 feet. Even if he took his sweet ass time he still should have had 500 feet on George.

  13. SickInSeminole says:

    Has anyone posted the number of the black juror stricken by the state? Curious why they didn’t want him.

  14. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    Sharpton doesn’t change his spots. Crump tries to become a horse of a different color.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-martin-attorney-question-zimmerman-jury-selection-can-mostly-white-panel-give-equal-justice/

    Crump is POSITIVE a guilty verdict will be returned. He wants to know if the world will be safe when that happens.

    • Lee says:

      “No justice no peace”…..Crump and Sharpton are responsible for every innocent victim that took a blow in the name of “Trayvon”….for every poster that was displayed at their “rallies” Zimmerman wanted dead or alive…they insighted the people that threatened the Zimmerman family and forced them into hiding….they are share responsibility for the run on the businesses that were in the name of “Trayvon”…and used the willing media to promote their racist agenda. Sharpton yelled to the city politicians that Sanford would be the next Selma. Sharpton knew he was throwing fuel on a fire….and continues to do harm….as he has done for years…unabated…applauded by celebrities and political leaders. Peace, justice, and equality have never been on their agenda.

    • FrenchPug says:

      I frequent a few different pro GZ sites regularly and have yet to see anyone calling for riots if he is convicted. I think crump just assumes we must be just like his group

  15. LL says:

    I believe the WFTV link is incorrect. It should be http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/ . I would add this is the best stream I have found as it has good analysis during the breaks.

  16. B. Rodregas says:

    “I think the defense clearly won the day on this one, any way you slice and dice it, this is a defense jury.” – Jose Baez

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57590372-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-panel-of-women-jurors-a-slam-dunk-for-defense-expert-says/

    • LandauMurphyFan says:

      From the article that B.Rodregas cites:

      Jeffrey Abramson, a professor of law and government at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law, agreed that conservative-minded, pro-gun jurors will benefit the defense in the case because they may sympathize with Zimmerman. Prosecutors, however, may benefit too in that the jurors appear to be “center of the road” citizens who are well-educated, well-placed in their community and take the reputations of their community seriously, Abramson said.

      “If the prosecution team is confident in its evidence, it’s happy to have an informed and well-educated jury and trust that it will follow the evidence,” Abramson said.

      If this jury would make a prosecution team happy if they were confident in their evidence, then the Scheme Team must be poppin’ the Paxil, chowin’ down on Celexa, lovin’ them some Lexapro, sippin’ the SSRIs, ploppin’ Prozac into their coffee, and zoning out on Zoloft – and that’s just for breakfast! :-D

      • Chip Bennett says:

        Prosecutors, however, may benefit too in that the jurors appear to be “center of the road” citizens who are well-educated, well-placed in their community and take the reputations of their community seriously, Abramson said.

        “If the prosecution team is confident in its evidence, it’s happy to have an informed and well-educated jury and trust that it will follow the evidence,” Abramson said.

        Methinks this jury will see through – and resent – BDLR’s attempt to pass off as sufficient to charge, to try, and to convict in a case constructed entirely of circumstantial evidence and ignoring exculpatory direct evidence. They’ll remember BDLR’s attempts during voir dire to claim that circumstantial evidence bears the same weight as direct evidence.

  17. LandauMurphyFan says:

    From the article: “The question I really have, Reverend Sharpton: once the jury bases their verdict on the evidence—and the evidence is overwhelming—and they come back with a just verdict holding George Zimmerman guilty of killing Trayvon Martin, will the other guys act right?” Crump asked.

    That would be hilarious if it weren’t so sickening, SBT.

    The evidence is indeed overwhelming, but ALL of it (I don’t count voodoo, “magic ears”, statements by proven liars, or bizarre speculations as evidence) is in GZ’s favour.

    And I challenge Crump to come up with one example – just one! – in, say, the last 25 years, where a white person has been found guilty of unlawfully killing a black person and there were widespread riots by whites as a result of the verdict. Heck, let’s not limit it to 25 years, let’s see him come up with one example in the past 50 years where there were widespread riots by whites in the United States as a result of ANY perceived racial injustice.

    What a sickening s**t stirrer! Considering how much crap he talks, do you think he’d gag if he had to eat his own words? God knows I gag just reading them.

    • LandauMurphyFan says:

      That was in response to St. Benedict’s Thistle. Not sure how it got down here instead.

      • St. Benedict's Thistle says:

        It is absolutely sickening. Crump is delusional, if he’s lucky. If he’s not delusional, then he’s in danger of hell fire. To tell such lies so glibly and without thinking twice is to be much too close to the devil, the father of lies. And that goes for Sharpton, too.

  18. ackbarsays says:

    Sundance, just for the record, it is not appropriate to refer to the jurors as “jurists.” A jurist is a professional who studies and has thorough knowledge of and experience in the law. Typically that would be a judge or an experienced lawyer.

  19. SickInSeminole says:

    I just watched the final jury selection (I had to listen in my car yesterday) and thought the state looked totally confused!! It was like they had no idea what to do when 2 of the Batson challenges worked in favor of the defense and the 2 stealths were busted! I guess they really planned on just hand picking who they wanted with no issues?

    • John Galt says:

      It was pretty bizarre. They had the jury pool packed with blacks in early position, then things turned to crap. Stealth jurors outed, Nelson started acting like a real judge, had to strike one black juror who probably would have beat Trayvon with a bat if he was in GZs situation.

      • SickInSeminole says:

        I’m not sure if the perception that things went “normal” for once makes me feel better or more suspicious! The prosecutor who was sitting on the end closest to defense (I apologize, I don’t know his name) looked legit freaked out. I rewound and watched all the table discussions to try to figure out what was going on. I think George was concerned about keeping B29. I’m totally making that up, it’s just what I think I saw. It looked like the defense strategy for striking is based on the group & not necessarily individual jurors?

      • SickInSeminole says:

        I wonder if the woman who asked if they’d be working 7 days a week due to sequester? Everybody gets to go home on the weekend but us?! Teehee.

  20. mike h says:

    Could nelson have been reminded of the law after Jury instructions 101 yesterday, and seen the light? Nah, probably not.

    • John Galt says:

      I think somebody must have spoken with Nelson. There was a huge change up. She displayed gross bias in favor of the state during voire dire, and then she changed up and reversed BDLR’s strikes of white women from the jury.

    • waltherppk says:

      Inciters of violence tend to keep inciting so long as they are breathing. When they reap what they have sown, then they stop.

  21. 22tula says:

    “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.” – Buddha
    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-dl0D6qPndf0/TWp4kfZ4m-I/AAAAAAAACMY/5MlqM8oBI_8/s1600/George+lassos+the+moon.jpg

  22. libby says:

    http://www.webcommentary.com/php/ShowArticle.php?id=stixn&date=120326
    .
    the media ALWAYS gets involved in race hoaxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. SickInSeminole says:

    I wish they would change the seating back to how it was…

  24. sundance says:
  25. SickInSeminole says:

    West is going to blow his lid soon…

  26. sundance says:

    State Wins This One !

    O’Mara asks for deposition before trial testimony. Judge Nelson says tough. Do them together.

    • SickInSeminole says:

      Did she get in trouble for too many rulings in favor of defense? She is nasty today!

    • Yakmaster says:

      Here we go, OF COURSE, the State wants to use the term “profiled” , including the term “racially profiled”. They based their case on it. Because that’s what the BGI wants and needs. Naturally, Nelson can’t go against her masters so she’s gonna be lenient here for the State.

    • Optimistic says:

      The Defense can’t have time between deposition and the taking of testimony of this witness, but the prosecution gets the whole weekend to review the 8 statements re. res gestae. No bias there.

  27. sundance says:

    Don West stumbling… stuttering…. trying to explain himself. Can’t find footing on Self Serving Hearsay evidence….

    • sundance says:

      Nelson just schooled Don West on appropriate court consideration and presenting opposing side with position of argument prior to requesting ruling from Judge.

      Egg on West’s face. He should have prepared better. Either a summary of oral argument position delivered last night to State – Or motion containing same argument delivered to Judge and State….

      West knows he was just schooled. Correctly.

  28. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    I just love West. There, got it out.

  29. sundance says:
  30. St. Benedict's Thistle says:

    I am heartily sick of hearing Mom say, “My concern is….” “Let’s be very cautious…” and so on.

  31. sundance says:

    State wins “Profiling” use as well as “vigilante”, “wannabe cop” and all other etc.

  32. sundance says:

    Nelson seriously pissed off at WEST. Don West needs to shut up, or follow what she says….

    • sundance says:

      SHUT UP DON…. JUST SHUT UP….

    • St. Benedict's Thistle says:

      I concede. West seems very tired to me. He needs a good night’s sleep, perhaps.

      • Of course he is tired. An unstated goal of the judge is to exhaust the defense of both their stamina and their monetary resources. That is what the hurry up is all about.

        • Why else would she pile all of this stuff on them unnecessarily? I have never seen this done in another major trial, because the process is supposed to be “fair”.

        • canadacan says:

          Judge Nelson has driven the defense like they were on the DEATH MARCH TO BATAAN. Don west is not a young man he’s tired, Insufficient time to prepare on their part.
          The judge is overtired herself the senior the Devils have been biting her in the butt again.

      • sundance says:

        West is too heavily invested in the Frye Hearing aspects of witness expertise.

        Too heavily to a fault…. Just lettitgo…. the strength of his not wanting to let go of his exhibit presentation is making things worse. He must have spent a lot of time on it and sees a value that ONLY he is invested in.

      • angel says:

        “I concede. West seems very tired to me. He needs a good night’s sleep, perhaps.”

        I know he has to be very tired along with Mark O’Mara. (and the prosecutors too). They are having to call on on herculean strength to get all the work done that they have too. Please give them strength to bear up under the weight of this trial, Lord. Thank you.

    • maggiemoowho says:

      Why does he keep it up. This is going to be a very hard trial to watch, lots of ibuprofen needed.

      • sundance says:
      • thehoff71 says:

        He keeps it up because to me, he is the only one in the freaking courtroom that seems to be advocating for his client. MOM is turning into the proverbial potted palm throughout all of this. I would be moved to have such an ardent advocate on my side as Donald West. He is getting tired as it seems the onus is on him to do the heavy lifting in this case.

        But that’s just me.

        • Judy says:

          And I remember his statement during his testimony where the hourly rate difference between him and O’Mara was brought up when he answered questions regarding that and he added an aside comment “I’m not sure why that is”

  33. Yakmaster says:

    Judge Nelson is so bitchy to the defense. That bitchiness is a sure sign that’s she’s on the defensive and in a BIG HURRY. Now she’s making a big point of how hard SHE’S been working.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      That drives me crazy. MOM asked for a continuance because there is not enough time to prepare, she denied, and now she is complaining because she doesn’t have enough time to prepare?????????????????????

      • Yakmaster says:

        Reverse psychology on the Press.
        Mad Hatter logic for the Public.

      • angel says:

        Auscitizenmom,
        There you go, being all logical and stuff :-)

        • judyt22 says:

          Ya think her Honor may be a “wackjob” along with the States two “expert” witnesses? From what I can see she does not make up front decisions but puts everything off until later that concerns her but the others must have all their ducks in a row (must be a written brief etc); so the plot thickens and she keeps for herself the element of surprise.

      • John Galt says:

        Continuance denied. The shelf life of Skittles is 72 weeks.

        Feb 26, 2012 + 72 weeks = Sunday, July 14, 2013

        Chad needs to get his Skittles soon.

  34. maggiemoowho says:

    So the state is allowed to make up lies to convict a man. Hey it worked for Casey Anthony only it was the defense who made up the lies.

  35. “Diverse” only means fewer whites. So, 100% diverse means no whites at all. Blacks don’t care about diversity, only Whites do.

    White conservatives are always harping about diversity and a lack of diversity to prove that they are not “racist” or to distance themselves from the “rednecks” and the “wrong kind of whites”. They call blacks “democrats” and “Obama supporters” but this is disingenuous. Blacks always work in the best interests of blacks ONLY. Hispanics always work in the best interests of Hispanics ONLY.

    Whites lie to themselves about this because they are cowards. Too cowardly to work in their own best interests, and they live in fear of being called a “white supremacist”, “intolerant”, or “racist”. This is Cultural Marxism. Political Correctness. This keeps white guilt alive, shuts whites up, and keeps the transfer payments flowing to non-whites for reparations.

    Only whites are “colorblind”. They are constantly trying to prove that they are not “racist” by promoting other racial groups above themselves. They love the multi-culti BS while they disappear as a people. You will never hear a black man say he is colorblind, or that race is only a “social construct”. Blacks will ALWAYS vote by race. Hispanics will ALWAYS vote by race. Black Power is real. Black pride is real. LaRaza is real. White pride, not so much. That is a hate crime.

    Only whites promote “racial equality”, diversity, and egalitarianism. Only white countries welcome diversity and Multiculturalism. You will never hear of a non-white country complaining about a lack of diversity. China for the Chinese, Africa for Africans, Mexico for Mexicans, Japan for Japanese, Korea for Koreans, India for Indians and White countries for everyone!

    White people work toward a colorblind rainbow society, blacks work toward a black society, and Hispanics work toward a Hispanic society. Whites are not permitted to be racially tribal. They are expected to shut up and keep the reparations money rolling.

    That is why whites are allowing themselves to be replaced demographically. Jim Goad calls it Passover Syndrome, and it is not just practiced by white liberals:

    http://takimag.com/article/diagnosing_passover_syndrome_among_white_liberals/print#axzz2Wr6e2T9W

    This is The White Man’s Disease. Whites fail to promote themselves as a racially distinct people with a distinct culture because it has become illegal to do so. If you leave it up to the blacks and Hispanics, whites will become extinct in no time.

    • 22tula says:

      That’s a broad brush that you are using Josephine. Diversity is “Leninist” lingo. The correct color is Red.

      • Tuduri says:

        A very broad brush from a narrow perspective. Let’s not forget how the English categorizd
        the Irish, the Poles, Italians and Jews. How “AngloSaxon” supposedly meant Caucasion? No room for southern Europeans or Celtic people according to some of these earlier definitions.
        And, yes, red is for communism. Ironic how the Republicans have been given this color.

    • auscitizenmom says:

      I agree with this statement:’“Diverse” only means fewer whites. So, 100% diverse means no whites at all.’ That is the way it is used.

      However, I do not agree with your liberal use of the word “only”.

    • HughStone says:

      How do you consider someone a “white” person? Color or ethnicity? Every “white” person that I have been really good friends with always were vocal and proud about their heritage . Be it Irish, Polish, Czech, German, etc. There are clubs and functions for everybody you just have to look.

  36. Nelson is the one who put the pedal to the medal on this trial. West’s complaints seem to always having something to do with having to do things out of order to facilitate the judge’s mandate that the trial be concluded as quickly as possible.

  37. Sal says:

    The “profiling” may come back to bite the state in the ass. It will allow MOM to bring in the marijuana and jewelry theft as possible alternatives to the states profiling theory.

    • John McLachlan says:

      Could the defence admit that although unaware of Trayvon Martin’s previous criminal activities, of which it is now known that the state was aware and had concealed, George Zimmerman correctly inferred from Trayvon Martin’s strange behavior, that Trayvon Martin was either taking drugs or was acting as though planning to perform another burglary.

      George Zimmerman correctly profiled Trayvon Martin, whose behavior was characteristic, of a burglar, assessing suitable targets for burglary which would be consistent with Trayvon Martin’s previously concealed personal history.

      The fact that the state had gone to extraordinary lengths, including falsified reporting of some of his crimes, to protect Trayvon Martin from the consequences of his criminal activities, does not mean that Trayvon Martin’s actual behavior loses the characteristics which lead unbiased people observing him to notice that he should be regarded with suspicion on the grounds that he would be much more likely to be either a physical threat or intent on committing other lesser crimes, if opportunity presented itself.

  38. sundance says:

    Court adjourned at 9:45am. Nelson will work on ruling about Frye hearing today and deliver decision by tonight.

    With no other issues at hand. She says “I will see you Monday”.

    • sundance says:
    • Is she going to send out a tweet? I thought she said yesterday she would have a decision this morning. (Sorry, but I had the feed up on time but didn’t see the little “play” button necessary down in the lower left-hand corner.)

    • waltherppk says:

      Gee I reckon Saturdays have disappeared from Nelson’s excessive “availability” schedule for expediting trial before discovery and other trial preparations are actually completed. Put money on what “hearsay” exception the state is arguing should not be allowed is the police report of the first officer on the scene Officer Smith, who memorialized his overhearing of the accused telling the EMT who was cleaning blood from his injuries that he kept screaming for help but nobody would help him. Anybody want to bet that the state is arguing that clearly hearsay exception (about 3 different ways) evidence from a police report is going to argued is prohibited as “self-serving” hearsay? The judge is playing stupid, but everybody knows where this circus is going.

      • Bill Sheaffer said that there are hearsay exceptions during the time immediately after a crime, when adrenaline is flowing and individuals say things they clearly haven’t had time to manufacture. He used a Latin term for it, and said it is possible Zimmerman’s comments immediately after the shooting could come into evidence.

        • waltherppk says:

          Yes there is the excited utterance exception, and there is an exception for statments of injured persons to first responders like EMT giving first aid, and there is exception for what a police officer makes notes of overhearing or being told directly, and there may be other exceptions for what was said by the injured accused within the very near time frame of receiving those injuries.

        • cboldt says:

          For the curious, the term is res gestae. Click on the link for more explanation.

  39. eastern2western says:

    no decision on frye? Oh come on! How hard is it to choose between voodoo and magic?

    • For Nelson, the decision is easy, it is the explanation that is hard. I could sit here for weeks and not be able to come with a reason for them to testify, so she has a real job ahead of her today.

      • cboldt says:

        It’s trivially easy to compose an erroneous opinion. Judges are expert at this.
        All she has to do is assign the facts in this contest to the Frye test “pigeonhole” (methodology, for example) that results in passing the Frye test. If she limits methodology to the general case, the experts come in. If she includes analysis of screams as part of the methodology, the witnesses are excluded.

  40. sundance says:

    O’Mara says he has multiple depositions, mentioned “five” to do over the weekend. And he’s got to do the Professor who’s leaving on vacation for Deposition and Testimony presentation too.

    • Yakmaster says:

      The Defense team will still be exhausted come Monday.
      It makes me sad that no one in the public arena, other than George’s supporters and his lawyers ( well, West anyway), seem concerned that the Defense has been so time constrained in preparation for this trial. Time to prepare an adequate defense seems to be wholly accepted in the public consciousness as a tenet of ‘fairness’ in our judicial system, yet it’s blithely ignored by all but the conservative blogs. Or have I missed the issue brought up somewhere by someone I’m not aware of? :-(

  41. ackbarsays says:

    I personally think that Don west is doing the right thing. I believe that he knows how the judge is going to rule on the Frye hearing, and if he can get her to display her bias in open court the way she has been, that will do nothing but bolster his case for an appeal to the DCA. By the way, did anyone else hear Debbie tell West that she doesn’t have “fax things” at home? Does she not have email at home?

    • ackbarsays says:

      Along those lines, if I’m the defense attorney, I’m filing an immediate appeal to the DCA today seeking to compel a continuance in this case. maybe there’s no chance of it being accepted, but I almost think the DCA would relish a chance to slap her down again.

      • kathyca says:

        Impossible. O’Mara gave a presser yesterday saying how wonderful it was that they are finally starting the trial on Monday.

      • sundance says:

        NO-WAY O’Mara would even consider such a move. NO-WAY. He just told Judge Nelson he had no other issues for her to address prior to her exit. She asked three times.

        If O’Mara wanted a consideration he would have needed to walk into court with a motion in hand, brief and succinct, and present to Nelson for immediate bench consideration.

        Not having done that, and having told Nelson he has no other affairs for her to address, the DCA would not even consider an emergency injunction. And boy howdy would that ever piss off Nelson. To infinity and BEYOND.

        • ackbarsays says:

          I disagree about whether he needed to make another motion today. He’s been denied FOUR TIMES on his motions to continue. At this point, I’m hopeful she is pissed off for he duration of the trial, because she’s not going to be on George’s side anyway, so getting angry with his measured, reasonable attorneys will just enhance their case for a post-conviction appeal, should it be necessary.

          • sundance says:

            Well he can’t go to the DCA and complain about a bench ruling he did not even present a motion for? {SMH}

            • ackbarsays says:

              Not sure why I’m getting the SMH treatment. She’s ruled FOUR times against him on this issue, Sundance. How many times does a judge have to rule against someone before they can appeal?

              • kathyca says:

                every time the judge makes a new ruling the hinders trial preparation, a motion should be made — even an oral motion — so that the record is made. O’Mara’s comments yesterday that they’re thrilled to start the trial on Monday kills me.

              • cboldt says:

                Usually, one final ruling is enough. Sometimes a non-final ruling can be appealed, but that’s not the case here.
                The procedural hurdle is that, even though denial of continuance is an issue for appeal and possible grounds for reversal, the appellate court will not “accept” a petition from defendant on this issue until after the trial. At least, as far as I know. I’m open to being persuaded otherwise given some legal authority, either a case or a rule.

      • ackbarsays says:

        By the way, I have seen several places on the blogs where attorneys have said that denial of a continuance is not appealable pre-trial. That is not true. This is from the Florida Bar, and it shows that when the judge abuses her discretion, that is an appealable issue. So, it wouldn’t be appealable if she denied a continuance and it appeared to be a reasonable decision. However, when she continually denies such motions in the face of clear evidence that a continuance is warranted, that could be considered a clear abuse of her discretion. Such an abuse is ripe for appeal to the DCA.

        Continuance Orders. The decision to grant or deny a motion for continuance is a matter of discretion and a trial court decision on such a motion will not be disturbed absent an abuse of discretion (i.e., one that unduly prejudices one or more of the parties). See Fennie v. State, 648 So. 2d 95 (Fla. 1994), cert. denied, 513 U.S. 1159 (1995) (motion made before, and during, trial); Flea Market, U.S.A., Inc. v. Cohen, 490 So. 2d 210 (Fla. 3d DCA 1986) (motion made on the eve of trial); see also Sliney v. State, 699 So. 2d 662 (Fla. 1997).

        • cboldt says:

          At least two of the appeals were heard after trial. “Abuse of discretion” is the standard of review to grant the requested relief (usually vacating a conviction and a new trial). I have no doubt that Nelson would be found to have abused her discretion to the detriment of a criminal defendant’s 6th amendment right.
          I’m open to a case where a DCA even entertained an interlocutory petition for writ of certiori, coming from a criminal defendant. So far I haven;t seen one, but I haven’t made a deliberate search for one either.

          • ackbarsays says:

            Since everything is backwards in this case, here’s an opinion that is related. The state in this case had requested a continuance, and appealed pre-trial. The appeals court took the appeal and quashed the denial of the continuance, remanding the case back to the trial court judge, who basically ignored the court’s order and again denied a continuance. So, this didn’t come from a criminal defendant, but it was a criminal case where the request came from the state. In the Zimmerman case, the DCA seems to be paying close attention and I think that it would be worth a try. There is no legal obstruction that would prevent them from issuing the writ if they felt the judge has been abusing her discretion, which seems clear enough.

            http://www.2dca.org/opinions/Opinion_Pages/Opinion_Page_2004/April/April%2030,%202004/2D04-1284.pdf

            • cboldt says:

              I’ll look at the case in a moment, but the state is on unequal footing as far as a right to interlocutory appeal. The state cannot appeal after a not-guilty verdict, for double jeopardy reasons. So, the legal system allows the state to bring interlocutory appeals on many matters, where it denies a defendant the same timing for resolving contested rulings.

        • cboldt says:

          All three of those were post-trial appeals.

          Fennie v. State, 648 So. 2d 95 (Fla. 1994)

          Flea Market, U.S.A., Inc. v. Cohen, 490 So. 2d 210 (Fla. 3d DCA 1986)

          Sliney v. State, 699 So. 2d 662 (Fla. 1997)

          Regarding the trial court’s ruling on a motion for continuance, such a ruling will not be overturned on appeal unless a defendant demonstrates a palpable abuse of discretion. See Fennie v. State, 648 So.2d 95, 97 (Fla.1994); Echols v. State, 484 So.2d 568, 572 (Fla.1985).

    • waltherppk says:

      Maybe she should get one of those computer thingies.

    • St. Benedict's Thistle says:

      I heard that very odd statement, too. West may be invested in his work for the Frye hearing, but I think it’s important he mentioned the CVs of each of the experts (or not) as being introduced into evidence. No wonder she got so cotton pickin’ mad. Now, if (or when) she hands the ruling to the prosecution it will stand clearly that she did it in spite of being fully informed of the Reich/Owen clown circus. I think he’s trying to hammer that home five ways to Sunday.

      • cboldt says:

        The CV’s are in evidence, but the reports are not. Whatever gaps there may be in the evidentiary record produced during the hearing, that evidentiary record is sufficient to make a ruling. If she admits the experts, she creates an issue for appeal, and she’ll be reversed on appeal if the state gets a conviction.

        • Optimistic says:

          I read this as West trying to perfect the record for the appeal that is almost sure to be filed. He wanted the H&H material in as well, to show that the persecution actually submitted three contrary opinions (OK, two and a half) for Frye adjudication when he argues to the DCA.

    • John Galt says:

      West may be overacting in an attempt to get Nelson to rule against the defense. A chance to shred clowns like Reich and Owen in front of a jury is every litigator’s dream.

  42. maggiemoowho says:

    If this trial wasn’t being rushed through and if GZ had a judge that believed in a defendants right to a fair trial, West would have probably had time to get things together properly and would not have to rush, that said, he also needs to know when to sit down and shut up,(I say that with respect). None of this helps George.

  43. If the state of FL can claim that young Trayvon was “profiled by a ‘wanna be’ cop,” what’s to stop the defense from saying that Mr. Zimmerman was attacked by a “drugged up sociopath thug who enjoyed fighting and measured his success by the amount blood spewed by his opponents.”

    • waltherppk says:

      The defense should argue that it is fortunate the accused was armed and fired his weapon in self defense when he did, or else the police may have arrived a minute later and been required themselves to shoot in order to stop a chimped out cannibal chewing on a mouthful of white hispanic face meat.

    • hooson1st says:

      Arch14 – that may yet happen, although MOM would go easy on the adjectives.

      • sundance says:

        No, it won’t happen. Why? Because this morning while making his argument about words in opening statements – O’Mara actually ‘swore an oath to the court’ he would not do it.

        O’Mara said he “would never” present any word, phrase, or statement in opening that “he was not absolutely certain he would show in evidence”.

        He then promised he would not do it, and {paraphrased} he said he “hopes the prosecution would do the same”….

        .. At which time Nelson said, people say stuff all the time in openings that they do not prove, and the defense usually brings it up in closing. She said “you can always do that”…. Then ruled against him.

        D’oh

        • ed greene says:

          I think MOM knows there is no way he can lose this case. There
          is absolutely no evidence to prove GZ started the fight or that
          TM was screaming for help.Whom does BDLR call for state
          Dr Doolittle know nothing, TM Mama, or Papa,Witness 8
          Mary ( I am crazy) Crutcher, Brandy,TM cousin,NEN guy,
          Francine Oliver, Nasty Jackson, Crump. TM wasnt an angel Sybrana. The Depos MOM has gotten so far have to be overwelming for defense. The State got NADA.
          MOM has at least 10 causes for appeal in case Jury finds
          GZ guilty(better chance of Crumpster winning Nobel Peace Prize
          like Obama)

        • LandauMurphyFan says:

          O’Mara actually ‘swore an oath to the court’ he would not do it.

          O’Mara said he “would never” present any word, phrase, or statement in opening that “he was not absolutely certain he would show in evidence”.

          Well then, all BLDR has to do is wait until MOM makes a reference to, say, TM being very interested in guns, at which point BLDR leaps up and objects, the “judge” sustains his objection as usual and tells MOM that he has insufficient verification for her to accept the phone pix so she can’t allow it to be presented as evidence, and then they charge MOM with perjury! :-D

    • judyt22 says:

      Good point there ~ and this may be the opening for TM’s character to come in and be part of the record …

      • Coast says:

        It’s not an opinion but fact that TM had illegal drugs in his system…and can be proven. It’s not an opinion but fact that TM embraced the “thug culture”, and again this can be proven. It’s not an opinion but fact the TM was expelled from school and was currently unsupervised when he got shot. MOM should be able to state everything if they can call GZ a “cop wantabe” or that he profiled TM.

      • If the state subpoenaed one of George’s teachers, why can’t MOM subpoena Trayvon’s teachers?

    • LandauMurphyFan says:

      what’s to stop the defense from saying that Mr. Zimmerman was attacked by a “drugged up sociopath thug who enjoyed fighting and measured his success by the amount blood spewed by his opponents.”

      Why, Nelson, of course. Silly archstanton. Stopping the defense is her raison d’etre. :-(

  44. SickInSeminole says:

    At first I wondered why she would complain about how hard she’s been working to the defense of all people- since because of her they are working all the time… then I remembered she loses her voice even on a day where she says barely anything.

  45. Racist, or true? See if you feel a stirring inside after reading this.

    http://cambriawillnotyield.wordpress.com/2013/06/15/2078/

    “Satan is the driving force behind liberalism. He will not compromise. It is a war to the death, and diversity is his ultimate weapon. Through diversity he defiles the image of God in man and strikes out at the God he hates. The only “pragmatic” solution to the problem of “racial diversity” (which means black dominance) is the moral solution: the defeat of liberalism and the restoration of white, segregated Europe.”

    • sundance says:

      Don’t take this the wrong way – but if you think this is a “let’s talk everything race-based” website, you are mistaken.

      How do your prior two comments pertain to the court hearing today?

    • ed greene says:

      I going to make a prediction even though I am 0 for 102 now. BDLR will say something
      that will cause a mistrial. He knows he can not win this case with WORLD watching, the
      longer the persecution continues the better chance of BDLR being charged criminally.
      He knows this and will say something to cause Mistrial,

    • brocahontas says:

      I don’t think diversity is the problem as long as it includes the rights of ALL people, including white people and as long as all of the various groups agree to the terms. Of course a belief in diversity is actually hypocritical since it automatically excludes those who don’t believe in the value of diversity. I think that website is reactionary but it does address a problem that actually exists that liberals refuse to acknowledge.

    • canadacan says:

      I am a proud wasp, But there’s been far too much of this white supremacy crap today And I am NOT a liberal.

  46. jaybird says:

    Ugh is all I can say after reading the recap here. I was pulled away, and not able to listen to the hearing this morning. I am glad I did not, as I think my blood would have boiled.

    I guess I can make a good guess as to the frye hearing judgment now. If that bitch admits those quacks, I am going to throw up at how perverted our judicial system has become.

  47. FrenchPug says:

    Allowing to say that he confronted TM with absolutely no evidence is BS. And OMara was absolutely correct about the term profiled. It is too prejudicial and shouldn’t be allowed. The vast majority of people will automatically associate “racial” with “profiled”. It’s like a huge wink at the jury from the prosecution. I doubt most people even know the terms could be separated. Hopefully this jury will see past it, cause I don’t think a black jury would.

    • cboldt says:

      Not to give them credit in advance, but Bernardo might make a point, in opening, that there is no allegation that Zimmerman’s “profiling” or suspicion had anything at all to do with Martin’s race. That when he says “profiling,” he means only unwarranted suspicion.
      Not to say the state will do that, but if the state wants to tamp down the public racial reaction, it will.

      • FrenchPug says:

        I assume that is exactly what he is going to do. I think that the word profiled is too inflammatory and prejudicial to be used. I don’t think he will say racial profiling, but that’s what a lot of people will hear regardless. He can say that he profiled him as a criminal and that race has nothing to do with it. then why did he profile him? if they dont say why he profiled him as a criminal then i think most will assume it is race based. Why can’t they just say that GZ erroneously thought he was a criminal? It’s the same thing and it keeps out an inflammatory, and often misunderstood word. They want people to think racial when they say profiling. They have no evidence so they are trying to inflame emotions.

    • judyt22 says:

      According to Bill Shaeffer on Channel 9 ~ basis MOM used for wanting the six phrases excluded was the example of Casey Anthony trial where def threw the dad under the bus and the jury never recovered. Possibly another reason MOM didn’t want to go to Pinellas County for a jury. They say the State is listing 220 witnesses which I find incredulous …

    • SickInSeminole says:

      And did she say it was “factually incorrect” that George was already out of the car when the operator said he didn’t need to follow?

      • cboldt says:

        She got the facts right. What is factually incorrect is that Zimmerman got out of the car after being told not to. The state does not plan to assert that Zimmerman got out of his car after being told not to.

    • John Galt says:

      “Allowing to say that he confronted TM with absolutely no evidence is BS.”

      Clever semantics. While comporting with one dictionary definition, “confronted” does not necessarily mean that GZ was the aggressor or the initiator of the conflict.

      April 20, 2012: Gilbreath: “confronted” : “That was from the fact that the two of them obviously ended up together in that dog walk area.”

      confront: to be face to face with; be in front of

      GZ “confronted” Trayvon by allowing Trayvon to get close enough to sucker punch him in the nose.

      • FrenchPug says:

        I got this as a definition:

        Confronted:
        Verb
        Meet (someone) face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.
        They have to proof he intended to meet him at all.

  48. sundance says:

    This is from yesterday. The good stuff is between around 34:00 to around 51:00 minutes for the stealth jurors etc.

  49. Springstreet says:

    Could someone please buy Don West a bus ticket to a far away retirement pasture so we don’t have to keep watching Judge Nelson slap him down? It’s a matter of common decency … no one should be subjected to any more of that serial loser’s Skeletor smile. Just get rid of the droning, unorganized, unprepared goof before he offends the jury and blows the whole Zimmerman case.
    Or, is it just me?

    • Chip Bennett says:

      Could someone please buy Don West a bus ticket to a far away retirement pasture so we don’t have to keep watching Judge Nelson slap him down? It’s a matter of common decency … no one should be subjected to any more of that serial loser’s Skeletor smile. Just get rid of the droning, unorganized, unprepared goof before he offends the jury and blows the whole Zimmerman case.
      Or, is it just me?

      I certainly don’t share that opinion.

      I think it’s obvious what West was doing: building the record for appeal in re: the Frye ruling and the motion in limine regarding admissible and relevant exculpatory statements.

      The Frye ruling is a win-win for the defense, no matter what. If Nelson rightly excludes their testimony, the State’s case loses any shred of evidence. And if Nelson wrongly lets them testify, then not only does she further build the case for appeal, but West will get to repeat his performance at trial, in shredding the two charlatans and exposing them – and by proxy, the State – as the fools they are.

      • kathyca says:

        I didn’t watch the hearing, but based on what I’ve seen of West, if he was arguing with the Judge it was to make his record for appeal. I’ve been told to basically sit down and shut up trying to do the exact same thing. You do what you gotta do.

        • AdukeLAXobserver says:

          And I am going to agree with both of you. He knows Nelson is a lost cause. This is all about getting it on the record for appeals.

        • jello333 says:

          I have many reasons for liking and admiring Bill Kunstler, but just reading the transcripts of part of the Chicago 8 trial is awe-inspiring. Judge Magoo could have locked him up for years (and he actually tried), and Bill couldn’t care less. He actually CRIED in anger and a feeling of helplessness during that trial.

      • John Galt says:

        “The Frye ruling is a win-win for the defense, no matter what.”

        +1 Reich and Owen are toast on cross. I wouldn’t put them on if I was Bernie.

    • I think West is doing an outstanding job by providing a vigorous defense for his client. To West, that means not just standing their meekly listening to the judge say “denied” over and over again, then quietly taking a seat. He is getting everything he wants into the record, and just because I don’t personally understand why he is doing it, I don’t think it is fair for me to assume he doesn’t.

    • Yakmaster says:

      Robert Zimmerman, Jr. has said publicly that Don West is Mark O’mara’s “secret weapon.” I heartily agree with him. Someone posted here (a while back that) that West left his job in the District Federal Court to work on this case. To me, he’s the passionate advocate for George that O’Mara just can’t bring himself to be.

    • talkaftercarefulthought says:

      I have to say that I’ve been impressed with West and O’Mara, from the previous limited interactions I’ve had with attorneys it seems that the best ones actually use their emotions as tools in their repertoire and not as a crutch or something they’re hobbled by. The one that I’ve had the displeasure of going against with a “Bernie” type of personality ended up looking like an a** when he tried putting a false narrative in my mouth and I ended up spitting the truth <> back at him. He was a hot head, arm flapper and apparently Missouri is a sister state in that regard with FL as he’s now a judge.

    • judyt22 says:

      Just you Springstreet ~ I like Don West, to me he is precise, measured and unemotional which is possibly why the wrath of Nelson comes down on him. He is getting things into the record which may be grounds for later reversal. I also like the respect and kindness he showed toward the pj he questioned. West is not a head honcho lone ranger like BDLR ~ so he must check with the others, does not mean he is disorganized. I see him as an asset …

      • auscitizenmom says:

        Ditto

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Measured… yes, that is a perfect description for him. Some confuse his often prolonged pauses between questions (or responses) as perplexion, or confusion but that is not the case. Don pauses to measure his words and formulate precise questions or replies that evoke specific (and often easily overlooked) points. In contrast to O’Mara, who formulates his sentences out of a desire for political correctness, West often formulates his sentences to reveal the illogic he is confronted with from the state. He strikes me as a man who, in his personal life, has little tolerance for ineptitude.

    • Sha says:

      Just You ! I would be honored to know Don West had my back. I think he is a honest hard working no nonsence kind of man which is why it has to be very hard for him to hold back sometimes . ( By the way I love the smile)

    • John VI says:

      Don’t feed the trayvons. They don’t stop till they see enough blood.

    • jello333 says:

      “Or, is it just me?”

      Yep. Just you. Don West is a good lawyer, a good guy, who has passion and emotion about this case.

  50. DizzyMissL says:

    Who is the witness professor they were talking about?

  51. nomorebsplease says:

    I am on the fence because i want those quacks exposed and i want people to realize how corrupt the state is so it can hopefully prevent this from happening to the next zimmerman. Maybe i am crazy. Who knows.

    • It is extremely important to keep the quacks out. For those of us who watch “Dateline”, isn’t unusual for a failed appellate decision to say something like, “True, the witnesses were nut-jobs, but we don’t feel the jury would have arrived at a different decision even if they hadn’t testified.” Because these two experts are of the flat-earth variety, the only reason for them to testify is to influence the jury against Zimmerman. It is extremely important to keep them out and not fill the brains of the jurors with mush that will then have to be removed by the defense.

  52. HughStone says:

    The defense HAS to make a chart with their experts credentials on one side, and the states experts on the other side to show the jury. Along with the fake internet websites that offered them credentials.

  53. HughStone says:

    It is up to the jury now. The railroad won’t and can’t be stopped.

  54. Also, from a strategic viewpoint, the prosecution has already won a major victory with these “experts”, even if Nelson leaves them out. The battle to keep them out has required all of the resources of the defense, taking away time from their preparation for the trial and draining them physically.

  55. wanderlust says:

    It has become apparent to me the State’s strategy for prosecuting this case. The whole case will be hinged on the fact that it was TM who was yelling for help. Yes, this is obvious but at first I thought this would be one of several different arguments they would present. I now realize it is THE argument. They will say that George pulled the gun early on and TM was at that point screaming for help. George, then showing “depraved indifference” killed TM when he was not in fear for his life. This is why the voice “experts” for the state are so critical. If they are not admitted then the State does not have any circumstantial evidence to use towards their claim it was TM screaming for help. The judge knows this and will rule in the State’s favor. She will rationalize it as letting the jury make the call since not allowing the “expert testimony” leaves the State without a case. The initial strategy involved testimony from “DD” but when that fell through it left just the screams… They will also try to use some witnesses that will say it may have been TM screaming…

    • Good article by Jack Cashill today, where he explains the weakness of the state’s case regarding the screams:

      “…Witness No. 6 will present problems. He told the Sanford P.D. that he saw a “black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy … or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help.”

      According to No. 6, the black man on top was “throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style.” Witness No. 13 waited until the fighting ended, went outside and saw Zimmerman walking toward him.

      ‘Am I bleeding?’ Zimmerman asked. Witness No. 13 answered affirmatively. He also noticed ‘blood on the back of his head’ and took a picture of it….”

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/zimmermans-all-white-all-female-jury/

    • I agree; the state has no case, had never had a case, so it is trying to fabricate one using junk science and lies. This kind of prosecution is exactly what the legislators who wrote Florida’s self-defense laws were trying to prevent.

    • ed greene says:

      http://cdn.talkleft.com/zimm/johnmarch20fdle.pdf Witness 6 One of 2 eyewitness Chad(young boy with dog) other. Read this and tell me how State can prove TM
      was screaming for help, could be if jury is on LSD they will believe BDLR.
      being other

      • Chad is the little bro, Brandy’s son. He has maintained he doesn’t know a thing about the encounter or the hours of police cars, media, and helicopters the evening in question, as he was busy playing video games.

        The kid walking the dog is a friend of Chad, Witness 14. I think he said he saw the man in the red jacket calling for help.

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          The witness states he saw someone lying on the ground who couldn’t get up. It looked like they had on a red shirt. He was outside while walking a dog. The person on the ground was yelling “help.” He says he only looked for a few seconds and only saw one person. He didn’t see how it happened. He didn’t see why he was yelling for help. He thought because it was wet outside that the person had fallen and broken his leg or something since it was wet outside. He only looked for a few seconds and saw only one person who was on the ground–nobody else.
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      • John Galt says:

        “could be if jury is on LSD they will believe BDLR”

        Moldy rye bread in jurors’ lunches?

  56. maggiemoowho says:

    I’m concerned that MOM is going to be so “by the book” and be to concerned about other peoples feelings(TM’s family) that he will blow GZ’s case in the opening statement. He can’t separate GZ’s thoughts and beliefs from his own, meaning GZ believes he’s innocent or GZ believed his life was in danger and so on, he has to make it fact, GZ is innocent and GZ’s life was in danger. We do not need to hear MOM spew any sympathy for TM or give his opinions on anything having to do with race.
    Times have changed, sad fact is people just don’t care about proper court etiquette or law. The state is going to feed the jury dumbed down assumptions and illusions. They are going to flap their arms, stomp their feet and act like 2 year olds, as ridiculous as that all sounds, it keeps the jury’s attention. Now, I’m not suggesting MOM or West do those things, but I do think if they keep up with this boring, slow, by the book attitude, they are going to lose the jury. They might consider switching to caffeinated beverages during the trial, get a little animated. JMHO.

  57. tara says:

    Last night HLN was discussing the jury composition in a surprisingly logical manner. They said Seminole County is 78% white, 11% black, and 17% Hispanic (white or black). The Zimmerman jury is 83% black and and 17% black/Hispanic which is about as close to the Seminole County demo as you can get with a 6 person jury.

    The demo info differs depending on the source. HLN got theirs from the 2010 US Census. But Seminole County’s official demo info estimates are a bit different, white percentage in the low 80’s and black percentage under 10. This makes the jury composition an even better reflection of the county.

    http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/DEC/10_DP/DPDP1/0500000US12117
    http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/gm/ecodev/pdf/Demographic_Detail_Report.pdf

    But the BGI has to complain about something because they failed to get their desired number of blacks on the jury. They’ll complain that the black on the jury is not the right type of black, and the media will dutifully enable them. We’re already seeing reports that B29 is Hispanic, no mention of black. She has not been certified black by the BGI.

    • Oops, you mean 83% white, of course.

    • sangell says:

      I watched Vinnie Politan’s god awful show just long enough for them to show Trayvon’s route to and from the 7/11. Of course Vinnie portrayed Trayvon’s prowling in the darkness through an apartment complex and thence through landscaping shrubbery to emerge in the back yards of the homes at RTL as the actions of a man seeking shelter from the rain!
      Let unexplained is why someone would undertake such a long walk in the rain for a single can of watermelon juice and a bag of skittles purportedly for the 14 year old Chad Green.

      When I was a year or two younger than Trayvon the closest store my house was a 7/11 about the same distance as the one Trayvon visited. No way was I going to walk that far in the rain just for a drink and a bag of candy. I might tell my parents I was going to the 7/11 to get out of the house for awhile ( unless I was suspended from school which would have completely closed my options to go out at night even to the store) but I would have been up to something else. I don’t think any juror is going to buy the ‘ice tea and skittles’ storyline either.

      • Didn’t Zimmerman say one of the reasons TM looked suspicious was he was not trying to stay out of the rain?

        • tara says:

          I’m sure this was already discussed in detail, but now it’s bugging me … “DeeDee” said that Trademark was hanging out at the mail area by the club house, but I swear I heard George’s neighbor Frank tell CNN/HLN that Trademark was actually on the lawn in front of his townhouse. And because George had on a prior occasion disurpted a burglary in process at Frank’s house, it seems reasonable for George to think that another one might be happening the evening of Feb 26.

          In his written statement, George wrote that Trademark was “casually walking in the rain looking into homes”. I don’t have time at the moment to check his other statmeents … did George at any time mention the mail area?

          The Persecution needs W8 and W8 will destroy their case. What a horrible mess they’re in. :)

          • myopiafree says:

            Hi Tara –
            The “sneak through” area was in the bushes behind Taffe’s home. Thus Mr. Martin avoided walking though the “gate” area. George saw that as “suspicious”. TM walked towards the Mail area, and George was indeed behind him. Then George stopped near the “T”, and TM gave George a “once over” – and continued to the “T”. It is at that point that Zim saw TM “jog” around the “building”, and disappear in the gloom. The land down the “T” was strictly home-owner property – not “common ground”. So, in answer, TM was 1) Through the bushes, and walked to the “mail area”, and then to the “T”. If other would please clarify – if they wish to.

          • John Galt says:

            “did George at any time mention the mail area?”

            GZ’s reenactment video states that GZ drove down the road and parked on the opposite side of the clubhouse from the mail thing after observing Trayvon trespassing on Frank Taafee’s lawn and looking about at houses. While GZ was parked at the clubhouse initiating the NEN call, Trayvon walked past, went around the corner of the clubhouse and took off. No mention of mail thing, much less loitering at mail thing.

            That is one of the fundamental problems with W8’s story. In the April 2 “interview” W8 has Trayvon loitering at the mail thing, and additionally has Trayvon’s arrival and departure from the mail thing synchronized with phone call connection and disconnection. Probably phone records and ping logs nuke W8’s fairy tale. One of the reasons that I don’t think we will be hearing from W8 at trial.

        • judyt22 says:

          Yes and he wasn’t in a hurry ~ since GZ is interested in law enforcement and has been on Neighborhood Watch for a while he recognized what he had undoubtedly seen many times ie as the old saying goes: “if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck”

  58. nivico says:

    “Wannabe cop” is a wholly offensive and derogatory term. It denigrates and demoralizes an entire class of privately employed individuals who provide an invaluable service to the public… from campus security, to mall security, to the men and women who protect you every time you walk into a bank.

    And in George’s case, it ascribes ill intentions to anyone who even aspires to work in law enforcement and is steadily working hard towards that goal.

    This isn’t a matter of being able to prove that George had such aspirations, it’s a matter of what the state is prepared to argue in court being offensive…

    It is the equivalent of Bernie accusing a woman of being afflicted with ‘penis envy’ and entering receipts for pants and gun range logs into evidence as proof of his misogynistic views.

    Judge Nelson, Corey, Bernie, Guy, Bondi, and Mantei should all be ashamed of themselves :(

    • Right on! The whole term “cop wanna be” and “queer for the gear” is offensive at so many levels! In my town, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captains are invited to read and score the personal essays of police officer applicants. There may be 150 applications for 3 opening for the year. These men and women are 4-year college graduates, who have also completed all law enforcement requirements. To get experience, they toil as community service officers, volunteer for the Sheriff’s office water patrol, park boards, etc. Many have military training, are paramedics, fluent in Spanish. Shopping mall security guards, often derided by society, are often top candidates as they must deal with all kinds of thugs, suicide cases, medical calls, etc. I think these women on the jury may know a young man or woman who has taken law enforcement classes, and would be equally offended.

    • maggiemoowho says:

      100% agree, they are a disgrace to Florida and the justice system.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      It’s no secret that I comment on HP (understatement) about this case and, as such, have had numerous exchanges with TrayHuggers who love to use the term “wannabe cop” to deride George Zimmerman.

      My frequent response to this has become:

      Since when did “wanting to be a policeman” become a *bad* goal, and when did embracing (and even emulating) the “Thug Lifestyle” of drug use, violence, sexism, and disregard for the law become an excusable, or even an *expected* behavior? When did the value system of our country become so distorted and so perverted that we even need to have this conversation? Is this a matter of “broken” moral compasses, or a matter of entire generations with no moral compasses whatsoever?

      • sangell says:

        Recall the name Charles Ramsey? He was the ‘wanna be cop’ who, hearing a woman yelling, ran from his house and found Amanda Berry desperately trying to get out of a Cleveland madman’s house of horror. He pried the door apart so she could escape and became a big media hero for helping three Cleveland woman escape from years of enslavement. Of course, BDLR would have called Ramsey’s actions irresponsible and dangerous. Did he ‘profile’ the young white Amanda Berry as being sexually attractive? What if she had been an old ugly black woman? Would Ramsey have intervened on her behalf. We’ll never know and it doesn’t matter when it all turns out to the good.

        • nivico says:

          …and Richard Jewell, the private security guard who saved countless lives only to find himself called a ‘wannabe cop’ and accused of being the Atlanta Centennial Park bomber (before they identified the actual bomber, Eric Rudolph).

        • Optimistic says:

          Don’t worry, BDLR would have also accused him of taking the law into his own hands as well.
          One of the things of the TrayHugger line of crap that I have found most offensive from day one is their argument that George did something wrong by watching out for his neighborhood (he should have stayed in his car, he wrongly profiled, he shouldn’t have followed, etc.) I have on quite a few occasions watched groups of teenagers in my neighborhood, have followed them, and even called the cops on them. I don’t think I’m stepping out of line, but rather that it is my DUTY as a member of society to look out for my fellow man (and woman.)
          I wish I had saved it, but during the Boston bombing, one of the law enforcement types made a well said statement to the affect that it is the duty of citizens to keep their eyes open, and do something about it when they see something suspicious.

      • nivico says:

        My concern isn’t that some idiots online use such derogatory language… it’s pretty much expected behavior from the trolls who live under the HuffPo bridge.

        What’s outrageous is that it’s the state that will be using such offensive and prejudicial terminology and with the judge’s blessings, no less.

        And for Nelson to sit there and acknowledge that there is in fact case law and precedent for excluding such language, and with J. Guy sitting there admitting in court that the state does in fact intend to use the terms in a manner that is prohibited (just not exclusively in that manner), she’s going to allow it in anyway…?!

        Furthermore, the term ‘wannabe cop’ is blatantly meant to reference and disparage the defendant’s character… on this point alone it should not be allowed.

      • auscitizenmom says:

        Well, said, LJP. Well, said.

    • recoverydotgod says:

      A few links:

      http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/51979/51

      http://www.jud11.flcourts.org/SCSingle.aspx?pid=286

      Crisis Intervention Training
      in FEATURED by sbcops — July 25, 2011 at 1:43 pm
      http://police.dadeschools.net/crisis-intervention-training-2/

      -snip-
      The M-DSPD is proud to be the best trained agency in the State of Florida in the field of Mental Health.
      -snip-

  59. They probably haven’t considered the jury may find the term offensive as well.

    • Yakmaster says:

      I thought about the Juror who has a background as a Safety Officer when the “wanna-be cop” was allowed by Nelson. What might that lady think? PS. I don’t know the job description for a Safety Officer…

      • John VI says:

        Occupational health and safety. Not to put to fine a point on it but it falls under 2 categories. Human resources drone or drafted manager. They enforce government safety regulations in a workplace. Whmis requirements, personal protection equipment maintenance, first aid compliance, etc. essentially, they make sure there are exactly enough band aids in the first aid kit to comply with government business compliance regulations to avoid fines.

  60. Pitbull says:

    The trial is about to begin So now, there is one and ONLY one DECIDER on all trial issues – that is Judge Nelson, who has demonstrated that she is either working under THREAT or INCENTIVE from the BGI team – bottom to top. I believe the amount of abuse of discretion, abuse of process, and plain old “make the law up as you need to” by the Judge during this trial, will leave ALL in shock. Just watch. I would love to be wrong !

  61. over the top says:

    this morning I read this comment from CFNews13 that kinds surprised me and I’m wondering if it was a misprint. the story says that:

    The judge also allowed the following terms the defense sought to ban:
    “Vigilante”
    “Wannabe cop”
    He “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”
    He “confronted” Trayvon Martin.

    I’m particularly concerned about the “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”…there is no truth whatsoever to this comment!

    • cboldt says:

      The judge didn’t rule on the “got out of the car after being told not to,” because the state said that statement is false, and the state has no intention of making that statement to the jury, ever. IOW, the state didn’t need a court order against it, this time, to keep it from misleading the jury.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      He “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”

      Exactly opposite of what transpired. Both the State and Nelson concurred that such a statement is factually incorrect, and that it would not be used.

      Don’t believe everything you hear on the news. They generally still can’t even understand the difference between “self-defense”, “stand your ground”, and “immunity”.

    • judyt22 says:

      Judge Nelson ruled on one out of the six that the defense wanted excluded from opening statements and it was the “getting out of the car” because she said that one had already been disproved …

  62. The people of Orlando must really shake their heads at news reports like this:

  63. sangell says:

    Not that it is particularly important but where is Trayvon’s brother, Jahvarmint or whatever is name is? As I recall, he initially dropped out of college to join Sybrina and Tracy on the “Trayvon World Tour” but he seems to no longer make appearances on behalf of the ’cause’. Has some ‘issue’ arisen that has kept Jahvarmint from being part of the ‘family’?

  64. Mr. Izz says:

    I’m just sick over this. All of this. A huge part of me wishes that I had never gotten involved and read every single piece of public information available. This judge, a supposed unbiased individual presiding over this farce, is allowing the most false, yet damning, of language and evidence into this trial. “Right to a fair trial”? Please. The prosecution can profile and rip into Zimmerman’s background, but Trayvon is completely off limits. “Experts” will probably be allowed into this with zero credentials and present ridiculous “evidence.” The prosecution can use words and phrases to easily attack the character of Zimmerman, and the defense apparently just has to take it. The more I read, the more sure that Zimmerman is innocent. Additionally, the more I read about the judge and the way the trial has proceeded, I can easily see how Zimmerman will be found guilty.

    The only hope rests with the jury. A jury who will be receiving all sorts of tainted evidence, incomplete facts, statements, and complete lies. Complete lies in a courtroom that is supposed to be about facts and truth. I’m sick, disturbed, and incredibly angry at our system. This isn’t justice. This is a manhunt. Zimmerman has a huge target on his back, and there isn’t much to stop the mob at this point.

    • Ugh says:

      Seeing how the state of FL can treat someone, I will never visit there. My tourism dollars will go to another state.

  65. partyof0 says:

    And now, her “Honor??”, the Judge has furthered the implication of the Demonic Zimmerman and the Angelic Trayvon from her pro prosecution rulings…

  66. partyof0 says:

    If I were the Defense, I would open by calling George every name in the book in addition to what the prosecution opened with, with the intent of telling the Jury everything they think they will hear him being called by the prosecution…lay the absurd on them…

    • ed greene says:

      Will someone name 6 witnesses the state will call

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Timothy Smith, Tara Malphurs, Shiping Bao, Amy Siewert, Anthony Gorgone, and Sybrina Fulton.

      • ed greene says:

        And what are they going to testify about

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Short version
          1) first responder-retrieved firearm from GZ, GZ confessed to shooting TM
          2) ME’s CSI inv-TM deceased upon Malphur’s arrival-transported to morgue
          3) ME-TM died as result of single GSW to chest
          4) Analyst-firearms section-gun seized by Officer Smith fired fatal shot
          5) DNA Lab Analyst: TM’s DNA not on gun, GZ’s DNA not under TM’s nails
          6) TM’s Mother: It was my innocent little son who was screaming for help (cue tears)

    • recoverydotgod says:

      +zillion +1 + 1/2 + 0.0000011111111111111

      In fact, a PR rep montage…particularly from PR rep facebook…would be great…..

  67. partyof0 says:

    So the f’in State can profile George Zimmerman in court with their accusations as “a wannabe cop…a vigilante…a (non-racial?) profiler”…but in his own defense, the Defense and GZ cannot/could not profile Trayvon Martin based on anything he has or has not EVER done…good pro-conviction call ?udge Nelson.

  68. SickInSeminole says:

    Did I miss the Frye ruling? It’s 4:00! ;)

  69. dawndoe says:

    Has Frank Taaffe turned on George? I saw an excerpt of an interview (on HLN) between the slithering Vinnie Politan and Frank Taaffe. I’m not sure if this was an old video or a current video. They seemed to be quite chummy, but maybe that was just my imagination. Frank seemed to be of the mindset that Trayvon was just trying to get out of the rain vs. the possibility of him casing homes. I don’t know whether TM was or was not casing homes, but I would think that Frank would have said something like, “This is where TM was walking.” Did anyone see this? Does anyone know what the status of George and Frank’s relationship is now?

    • eastern2western says:

      hln is a weird little channel that is willing to edit tapes to incriminate Zimmerman.

      • dawndoe says:

        I know. I can’t stand HLN, but it is the only cable station that I know of that has trial coverage; even though they tend to show very little of the trial and show more of the commentators and legal “experts.”

        • eastern2western says:

          hln is run by a bunch of xxxxxxx because it hires weird body language experts to analyze Zimmerman’s emotions.
          ———————–
          Edit by admin

        • eastern2western says:

          HLN is really confuse about its own identity. It hires some of the best available lawyers/doctors in the country as experts, but it also have body language experts in their shows who pretending to be analytical. It is a weird hybrid that just does not make any sense. In addition, its overdramatic music and camera works play more like a Mexican novella than a real news channel.

          • SickInSeminole says:

            And they make stuff up just to have 2 opposing views. Since they’ve become an entertainment (exaggerated) trial coverage channel they should really remove get a new name. I don’t know what it was like before, but there is no news now.

          • partyof0 says:

            Yes…body language experts…I can hear them now…”Notice how Zimmerman has not changed his facial expression or moved an inch in the last four hours…that tells us a lot…well, we’re outa time…time for lunch…”

    • ftsk420 says:

      He still backs George 100% sometimes he’s a little out there.

  70. dawndoe says:

    Does anyone have a favorite link they are going to use to watch the trial?

    • howie says:

      yes. The summer rates are in force and it is not crowded in the heat of the day. You can play 27 holes on the quick quick. I already know the ending of this movie.

      • jaybird says:

        lol Howie

      • dawndoe says:

        Haha, Howie. :-) I would still like see HOW they railroaded George and what the jury heard/saw. But seriously, I do want to see how the case is presented by each side. And I want to hear ALL the evidence for myself.

    • jaybird says:

      I personally like the wftv one. I like their ‘live blog’ ie, chat feature, and I like the lawyers giving their feelings about what happened when the court is on break. The link is in main post above.

      • dawndoe says:

        Thanks, Jaybird. I will have to give that one a try. I will probably keep the TV on and mute it when they go to commercial and watch it streaming live on wftv.

  71. recoverydotgod says:

    I’m not sure how this helps the prosecution….

    Zimmerman trial: Prosecutors can call him a ‘vigilante,’ judge says
    By Patrik Jonsson, Staff Writer / June 21, 2013

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0621/Zimmerman-trial-Prosecutors-can-call-him-a-vigilante-judge-says

    • recoverydotgod says:
    • eastern2western says:

      vigilantism could bring a counter effect. If the prosecution uses such word, then the defense is freely to bring in neighbors, friends, relatives and many other character witnesses to show Zimmerman was simply a man watching out for his neighborhood.

      • recoverydotgod says:

        Not to mention reportedly the PR guy…

        Dueling scenarios helped shape Trayvon story in epic media battle
        IN THE SHADOW OF RACE: 5th in an occasional series
        6:54 p.m. EST, September 29, 2012|
        By Hal Boedeker and Martin E. Comas, Orlando Sentinel

        http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-29/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-media-20120929_1_george-zimmerman-zimmerman-camp-mark-o-mara/2

        -snip-

        “I never engaged in any racial conversation,” Julison said. “To me, the story was a Neighborhood Watch vigilante carrying a gun who shot an unarmed teenager and wasn’t arrested.”

        -snip-

        • dawndoe says:

          It’s “almost” as heinous to carry a gun as it is to be a racist in the eyes of those with a liberal bent to their ideology.

          I’ve read many comments on the ‘net from people who just think there is something wrong with a person who carries a gun, especially one who carries one with them everywhere they go.

          I was at a Craft Fair last year and there was a booth set up for people to sign up for their Conceal Carry license. I saw one guy whom you could tell that the very idea of carrying a gun was fanatical and weird to him. He was polite, yet a bit snooty, to the person when he said, “No thanks, I’m good.”

  72. jaybird says:

    how hard is it for the judge to state that these two guys are not ‘experts’ but wackjobs who have no place in a courtroom.

    I mean, jeez. These guys dont even have methods that other scientists would say are standard.

    Come on Nelson. Get on with it.

  73. eastern2western says:

    court day over, nelson is going to make her decision after the conviction of Zimmerman.

  74. eastern2western says:


    If the judge accepts reich, then trent sawyer should go in as well because he builds a much better story with reich’s results. at least. trent has better hearing and his super vision sees everything.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Trent has reticently agreed to make “donations” that can be used with similar profferings from DeeDee to spawn a master race of “Super Experts” that will aid in the persecution of anyone who dares to defend themselves in the not-so-distant future.

      Who ever said that in vitro fertilization had to be “not for profit”?

      • eastern2western says:

        on one summer’s night, thys thy raining darkness. a racist redneck walked out of thy car and chased down a pre-pubrity black child with his shot gun and hover board. reich is writing his novella as the court is happening.

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Twas a DARK and RAINY eve
          That hatch’d their plot to deceive
          But Ne’er did George proclaim
          Not even in disdain:
          Alas, “These shall be”
          Nay, not he.

  75. nwtex says:

    This may have already been posted by some “quick-draw’ McGraw” types :wink:
    If so, I apologize for this DUP

    (figures—-“birds of a …”)
    YancyFaith ‏@YancyFaith 18m
    “Jerry Counelis,” #stealth juror, on Fred Pleatherman’s amateur law blog.
    21 Jun 13

  76. arkansasmimi says:
    • jaybird says:

      If I lived closer to Sanford, I would go. It is not even the taking a day off from work that would be an issue, it would be the taking TWO days off, since I would need to apply in person the day before as far as I know.

    • janc1955 says:

      I can’t help but think the general public realizes they’ve been lied to on a grand scale by the schemers. I suspect many who were rooting for Team Skittles are simply no longer interested in the case.

    • sundance says:

      They let you wear hats in the courthouse? Wow.

      Anyone else notice all he high vis police in/around the courthouse are “black”. Optics, optics, optics. If you didn’t know better you’d never know they were not Seminole or Orange County Sheriff folks – they are actually from 6 counties all around.

      Optics, optics, optics…… nothing to see here folks… move along…. move along.

      Great job by the CRS.

      Yes, the CRS coordinates this. (It was news to me at the time – but I’m getting a valuable batch of learning in this trial) The visible police are actually coordinated by the feds through the CRS – the locals are left to continue on with their general duties, with the obvious blank checks for overtime which makes all the cops joyful and happy. Christmas in July.

  77. arkansasmimi says:
    • eastern2western says:

      it is really hard to find any precedent or law that accepts magic. Nelson should just call the prosecution witness as experts of some sort and used the reasoning she did on crump. pam bondi could write a rebuttal if the 5dca demands an explanation/

      • John Galt says:

        There is precedent for allowing testimony about imaginary voices. I would have argued to Nelson that Reich must prove schizophrenia prior to being allowed to testify as to his auditory hallucinations.

    • 22tula says:

      “Zimmerman v. Trayvon – Common Sense Analysis – Screaming …”
      Michael Mortimer – Published on May 16, 2013
      Sometimes the simplest technique tells us what is what.
      This audio guy (his words) slowed down the speed of an ear witness call to 911 and in this person’s opinion George Zimmerman is the guy screaming for help.

    • Optimistic says:

      Is it me or is this ridiculous? The attorneys need to prepare their opening statements, which go Monday morning. MOM and BDLR suddenly have to go depose one of George’s professors over the weekend, and they still don’t know whether they need to address the “voice” experts in their opening statements? Not too mention that Reich hasn’t even written his report yet?

  78. arkansasmimi says:
    • jaybird says:

      jeez. They are just filing this now? WTF!

    • John Galt says:

      Good job by West.

      http://www.leagle.com/decision-result/?xmldoc/1993662627So2d35_1646.xml/docbase/CSLWAR2-1986-2006

      We conclude that the trial court erred in excluding the testimony of witnesses to the shooting that described appellant Alexander’s exclamations and actions immediately after firing the shot that killed the victim. This testimony was admissible under the res gestae rule now codified in sections 90.803(1), (2), and (3), Florida Statutes (1991), which define the conditions for admissibility of (1) spontaneous statements, (2) excited utterances, and (3) then existing mental and emotional conditions of the declarant. The statements about which these witnesses could testify were made almost simultaneously with the act of shooting, a period of time too short to support a finding of fabrication that would destroy the apparent trustworthiness of this evidence. The mere fact that statements are self-serving is not, in and of itself, a sufficient evidentiary basis for their exclusion from evidence. No legal principle excludes statements or conduct of a party solely on the ground that such statements or conduct is self-serving.

      http://www.leagle.com/decision-result/?xmldoc/19961522672So2d850_11360.xml/docbase/CSLWAR2-1986-2006

      Employee Shirley Masef heard a shot, froze for a second, saw Deborah Fezza (another employee) run toward appellant’s office and yelled “don’t go in there” to Fezza. Masef then ran immediately down the stairs and out of the building with another employee, Debra Pollack. Within seconds, witnesses Masef and Pollack heard Stiles say: “it was an accident,” and “there was an accident.” Employee Fezza heard Stiles say within seconds “It just went off.” Appellant was not allowed to refer to those statements in his opening statement and the trial court excluded the testimony of Pollack, Masef, and Fezza as to the above exclamations made by appellant within seconds after the shot occurred.
      Appellant asserts that these statements should have been admissible under section 90.803(2), Florida Evidence Code, as “excited utterances.” We agree.

  79. Right now, I’m picturing Nelson at home, looking out her window toward the horizon and saying to herself, “You know, the earth does look flat from this perspective. I can see why an expert would come to that conclusion.”

  80. jello333 says:

    Well… gotta try to catch up. Maybe I’ll be talking “live” to you guys by, oh… around midnight. :(

    • Mr. Izz says:

      That’s what I do, which is why the majority of my comments come later at night and in the evening. Everything is generally talked about and over by the time I jump online.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      lol Know the feeling Jello. And VBS starts NEXT WEEK guess when? lol 8 til noon Central time. Thankfully can watch what I miss online, it just feels diff watching late. Oh well, look for the blessings. Happy reading… I am catching up too.

  81. kathyca says:

    A pretty fair article for a change. Quotes that George told the NEN operator OK in response to we don’t need you to do that. Calls both by full names. Notes that Trayvon was 17. Talks about George saying he screamed for help and that “someone” screaming for help is heard on the 911 tapes. No mention of skittles or iced tea and a somewhat accurate photo of Trayvon and George in a suit and tie . . . hmmm

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/no-ruling-yet-whether-audio-experts-can-testify-zi/nYRnj/

    • sundance says:

      Eye opening segment on CNN Erin Burnett show about Sanford Preparation etc. Fits right in with my conversations I’ve had there. Hopefully later a video will be possible.

    • jaybird says:

      They dont mind being ‘sort of’ fair now, since the jury is already selected. No one else to try to taint!

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Don’t forget the witnesses. A little intimidation can go a LONNNNG way with a witness that has kids. I hope the NBPP keeps their big mouths shut, and leaves them alone.

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