Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman – Open Discussion Thread

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Odd Notation:  Which side of the family courtroom is more diverse?

They Have A Jury

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Today, June 21st, is DAY #10 (of 2nd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case.  Yesterday they got a jury impanelled:  [Day #9 Summary Here]

Yesterday they selected 6 primary jurists, and 4 alternates.   All of the primary jurors are female.  Here’s the breakdown:

B-29: A “Black-Hispanic” (?) nurse on an Alzheimer’s ward who has several children and lived in Chicago at the time of shooting. She’s married. She said she doesn’t watch the news, preferring reality television: “Right when we got here, I got cable… I love my reality shows.” During jury selection, she said she was arrested once in Chicago.

B-76: A white, middle-aged woman -40’s- who said Zimmerman had an “altercation with the young man. There was a struggle and the gun went off.” Has been married 30 years, and is unemployed. She formerly worked with her husband in his construction company. Her 28-year-old son is an attorney in Seminole County. She also has a daughter, 26, has been a victim of non-violent crime and rescues “a lot of pets.” The state tried to strike her, but was denied.

B-37: A middle-aged white woman -50’s-who has worked for a chiropractor for 16 years and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford as “rioting.” Her husband is an attorney. She has two daughters: A 24-year-old dog groomer and a 27-year-old who attends the University of Central Florida. Girls 24, grooms pets. She uused to have concealed weapons permit, but let it lapse. Her husband also has one.

B-51: A retired white woman -60’s- from Oviedo who has a dog and 20-year-old cat. She knew a good deal about the case, but said “I’m not rigid in my thinking.” She has been in Seminole County for nine years, is unmarried and has no kids. B-51 previously lived in Atlanta, and used to work in real estate. She also ran a call center in Brevard County which she said had 1,200 employees.

E-6: A young white woman -20’s- and mother who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her two adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night. She has lived in Seminole County for eight years, and is married to an engineer. E-6 was arrested in Brevard County, but said she “was treated completely fairly.” Her husband has guns. The state tried to strike her from the jury, but was denied.

E-40: A white woman in her 60’s who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting. She heard national news reports and recalls the shooting was in a gated community and a teenager was killed. She described herself as safety officer, is married to a chemical engineer and loves football. She has a 28-year-old son who’s out of work. She said she’s very well versed in cell phone technology, and has been a victim of crime.

The alternates are:

            1. E54 a white male in his 60’s
            2. B72 a mixed race male in his 20’s
            3. E13 a white female in her 20’s
            4. E28 a white female in her 50’s 

Yesterday Judge Nelson also heard the last of the Frye hearing experts, and will rule on whether or not the jury will hear the conflicting testimony of audio experts about who was screaming for help on the 911 tapes.  If the defense loses, and Nelson lets that argument take place, they are in a pickle – Because their experts have claimed no-one can determine who is screaming, while the prosecution has claimed their experts reflect it was Trayvon’s voice calling for help.     They also have other business (various motions) to attend today.

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Four Live-Streaming Links:

http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

Hat Tip Rumpole for the list.
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392 Responses to Day #10 (Week 2) State V. Zimmerman – Open Discussion Thread

  1. Springstreet says:

    Could someone please buy Don West a bus ticket to a far away retirement pasture so we don’t have to keep watching Judge Nelson slap him down? It’s a matter of common decency … no one should be subjected to any more of that serial loser’s Skeletor smile. Just get rid of the droning, unorganized, unprepared goof before he offends the jury and blows the whole Zimmerman case.
    Or, is it just me?

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      Could someone please buy Don West a bus ticket to a far away retirement pasture so we don’t have to keep watching Judge Nelson slap him down? It’s a matter of common decency … no one should be subjected to any more of that serial loser’s Skeletor smile. Just get rid of the droning, unorganized, unprepared goof before he offends the jury and blows the whole Zimmerman case.
      Or, is it just me?

      I certainly don’t share that opinion.

      I think it’s obvious what West was doing: building the record for appeal in re: the Frye ruling and the motion in limine regarding admissible and relevant exculpatory statements.

      The Frye ruling is a win-win for the defense, no matter what. If Nelson rightly excludes their testimony, the State’s case loses any shred of evidence. And if Nelson wrongly lets them testify, then not only does she further build the case for appeal, but West will get to repeat his performance at trial, in shredding the two charlatans and exposing them – and by proxy, the State – as the fools they are.

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      • kathyca says:

        I didn’t watch the hearing, but based on what I’ve seen of West, if he was arguing with the Judge it was to make his record for appeal. I’ve been told to basically sit down and shut up trying to do the exact same thing. You do what you gotta do.

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        • AdukeLAXobserver says:

          And I am going to agree with both of you. He knows Nelson is a lost cause. This is all about getting it on the record for appeals.

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        • jello333 says:

          I have many reasons for liking and admiring Bill Kunstler, but just reading the transcripts of part of the Chicago 8 trial is awe-inspiring. Judge Magoo could have locked him up for years (and he actually tried), and Bill couldn’t care less. He actually CRIED in anger and a feeling of helplessness during that trial.

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      • John Galt says:

        “The Frye ruling is a win-win for the defense, no matter what.”

        +1 Reich and Owen are toast on cross. I wouldn’t put them on if I was Bernie.

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    • I think West is doing an outstanding job by providing a vigorous defense for his client. To West, that means not just standing their meekly listening to the judge say “denied” over and over again, then quietly taking a seat. He is getting everything he wants into the record, and just because I don’t personally understand why he is doing it, I don’t think it is fair for me to assume he doesn’t.

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    • Yakmaster says:

      Robert Zimmerman, Jr. has said publicly that Don West is Mark O’mara’s “secret weapon.” I heartily agree with him. Someone posted here (a while back that) that West left his job in the District Federal Court to work on this case. To me, he’s the passionate advocate for George that O’Mara just can’t bring himself to be.

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    • talkaftercarefulthought says:

      I have to say that I’ve been impressed with West and O’Mara, from the previous limited interactions I’ve had with attorneys it seems that the best ones actually use their emotions as tools in their repertoire and not as a crutch or something they’re hobbled by. The one that I’ve had the displeasure of going against with a “Bernie” type of personality ended up looking like an a** when he tried putting a false narrative in my mouth and I ended up spitting the truth <> back at him. He was a hot head, arm flapper and apparently Missouri is a sister state in that regard with FL as he’s now a judge.

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    • judyt22 says:

      Just you Springstreet ~ I like Don West, to me he is precise, measured and unemotional which is possibly why the wrath of Nelson comes down on him. He is getting things into the record which may be grounds for later reversal. I also like the respect and kindness he showed toward the pj he questioned. West is not a head honcho lone ranger like BDLR ~ so he must check with the others, does not mean he is disorganized. I see him as an asset …

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Ditto

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      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Measured… yes, that is a perfect description for him. Some confuse his often prolonged pauses between questions (or responses) as perplexion, or confusion but that is not the case. Don pauses to measure his words and formulate precise questions or replies that evoke specific (and often easily overlooked) points. In contrast to O’Mara, who formulates his sentences out of a desire for political correctness, West often formulates his sentences to reveal the illogic he is confronted with from the state. He strikes me as a man who, in his personal life, has little tolerance for ineptitude.

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    • Sha says:

      Just You ! I would be honored to know Don West had my back. I think he is a honest hard working no nonsence kind of man which is why it has to be very hard for him to hold back sometimes . ( By the way I love the smile)

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    • John VI says:

      Don’t feed the trayvons. They don’t stop till they see enough blood.

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    • jello333 says:

      “Or, is it just me?”

      Yep. Just you. Don West is a good lawyer, a good guy, who has passion and emotion about this case.

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  2. DizzyMissL says:

    Who is the witness professor they were talking about?

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  3. nomorebsplease says:

    I am on the fence because i want those quacks exposed and i want people to realize how corrupt the state is so it can hopefully prevent this from happening to the next zimmerman. Maybe i am crazy. Who knows.

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    • It is extremely important to keep the quacks out. For those of us who watch “Dateline”, isn’t unusual for a failed appellate decision to say something like, “True, the witnesses were nut-jobs, but we don’t feel the jury would have arrived at a different decision even if they hadn’t testified.” Because these two experts are of the flat-earth variety, the only reason for them to testify is to influence the jury against Zimmerman. It is extremely important to keep them out and not fill the brains of the jurors with mush that will then have to be removed by the defense.

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  4. HughStone says:

    The defense HAS to make a chart with their experts credentials on one side, and the states experts on the other side to show the jury. Along with the fake internet websites that offered them credentials.

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  5. HughStone says:

    It is up to the jury now. The railroad won’t and can’t be stopped.

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  6. Also, from a strategic viewpoint, the prosecution has already won a major victory with these “experts”, even if Nelson leaves them out. The battle to keep them out has required all of the resources of the defense, taking away time from their preparation for the trial and draining them physically.

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  7. wanderlust says:

    It has become apparent to me the State’s strategy for prosecuting this case. The whole case will be hinged on the fact that it was TM who was yelling for help. Yes, this is obvious but at first I thought this would be one of several different arguments they would present. I now realize it is THE argument. They will say that George pulled the gun early on and TM was at that point screaming for help. George, then showing “depraved indifference” killed TM when he was not in fear for his life. This is why the voice “experts” for the state are so critical. If they are not admitted then the State does not have any circumstantial evidence to use towards their claim it was TM screaming for help. The judge knows this and will rule in the State’s favor. She will rationalize it as letting the jury make the call since not allowing the “expert testimony” leaves the State without a case. The initial strategy involved testimony from “DD” but when that fell through it left just the screams… They will also try to use some witnesses that will say it may have been TM screaming…

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    • Good article by Jack Cashill today, where he explains the weakness of the state’s case regarding the screams:

      “…Witness No. 6 will present problems. He told the Sanford P.D. that he saw a “black man in a black hoodie on top of either a white guy … or an Hispanic guy in a red sweater on the ground yelling out help.”

      According to No. 6, the black man on top was “throwing down blows on the guy MMA [mixed martial arts] style.” Witness No. 13 waited until the fighting ended, went outside and saw Zimmerman walking toward him.

      ‘Am I bleeding?’ Zimmerman asked. Witness No. 13 answered affirmatively. He also noticed ‘blood on the back of his head’ and took a picture of it….”

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/zimmermans-all-white-all-female-jury/

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    • I agree; the state has no case, had never had a case, so it is trying to fabricate one using junk science and lies. This kind of prosecution is exactly what the legislators who wrote Florida’s self-defense laws were trying to prevent.

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    • ed greene says:

      http://cdn.talkleft.com/zimm/johnmarch20fdle.pdf Witness 6 One of 2 eyewitness Chad(young boy with dog) other. Read this and tell me how State can prove TM
      was screaming for help, could be if jury is on LSD they will believe BDLR.
      being other

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      • Chad is the little bro, Brandy’s son. He has maintained he doesn’t know a thing about the encounter or the hours of police cars, media, and helicopters the evening in question, as he was busy playing video games.

        The kid walking the dog is a friend of Chad, Witness 14. I think he said he saw the man in the red jacket calling for help.

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        • ed greene says:

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          The witness states he saw someone lying on the ground who couldn’t get up. It looked like they had on a red shirt. He was outside while walking a dog. The person on the ground was yelling “help.” He says he only looked for a few seconds and only saw one person. He didn’t see how it happened. He didn’t see why he was yelling for help. He thought because it was wet outside that the person had fallen and broken his leg or something since it was wet outside. He only looked for a few seconds and saw only one person who was on the ground–nobody else.
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      • John Galt says:

        “could be if jury is on LSD they will believe BDLR”

        Moldy rye bread in jurors’ lunches?

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  8. maggiemoowho says:

    I’m concerned that MOM is going to be so “by the book” and be to concerned about other peoples feelings(TM’s family) that he will blow GZ’s case in the opening statement. He can’t separate GZ’s thoughts and beliefs from his own, meaning GZ believes he’s innocent or GZ believed his life was in danger and so on, he has to make it fact, GZ is innocent and GZ’s life was in danger. We do not need to hear MOM spew any sympathy for TM or give his opinions on anything having to do with race.
    Times have changed, sad fact is people just don’t care about proper court etiquette or law. The state is going to feed the jury dumbed down assumptions and illusions. They are going to flap their arms, stomp their feet and act like 2 year olds, as ridiculous as that all sounds, it keeps the jury’s attention. Now, I’m not suggesting MOM or West do those things, but I do think if they keep up with this boring, slow, by the book attitude, they are going to lose the jury. They might consider switching to caffeinated beverages during the trial, get a little animated. JMHO.

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  9. tara says:

    Last night HLN was discussing the jury composition in a surprisingly logical manner. They said Seminole County is 78% white, 11% black, and 17% Hispanic (white or black). The Zimmerman jury is 83% black and and 17% black/Hispanic which is about as close to the Seminole County demo as you can get with a 6 person jury.

    The demo info differs depending on the source. HLN got theirs from the 2010 US Census. But Seminole County’s official demo info estimates are a bit different, white percentage in the low 80’s and black percentage under 10. This makes the jury composition an even better reflection of the county.

    http://factfinder2.census.gov/bkmk/table/1.0/en/DEC/10_DP/DPDP1/0500000US12117

    http://www.seminolecountyfl.gov/gm/ecodev/pdf/Demographic_Detail_Report.pdf

    But the BGI has to complain about something because they failed to get their desired number of blacks on the jury. They’ll complain that the black on the jury is not the right type of black, and the media will dutifully enable them. We’re already seeing reports that B29 is Hispanic, no mention of black. She has not been certified black by the BGI.

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    • Oops, you mean 83% white, of course.

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    • sangell says:

      I watched Vinnie Politan’s god awful show just long enough for them to show Trayvon’s route to and from the 7/11. Of course Vinnie portrayed Trayvon’s prowling in the darkness through an apartment complex and thence through landscaping shrubbery to emerge in the back yards of the homes at RTL as the actions of a man seeking shelter from the rain!
      Let unexplained is why someone would undertake such a long walk in the rain for a single can of watermelon juice and a bag of skittles purportedly for the 14 year old Chad Green.

      When I was a year or two younger than Trayvon the closest store my house was a 7/11 about the same distance as the one Trayvon visited. No way was I going to walk that far in the rain just for a drink and a bag of candy. I might tell my parents I was going to the 7/11 to get out of the house for awhile ( unless I was suspended from school which would have completely closed my options to go out at night even to the store) but I would have been up to something else. I don’t think any juror is going to buy the ‘ice tea and skittles’ storyline either.

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      • Didn’t Zimmerman say one of the reasons TM looked suspicious was he was not trying to stay out of the rain?

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        • tara says:

          I’m sure this was already discussed in detail, but now it’s bugging me … “DeeDee” said that Trademark was hanging out at the mail area by the club house, but I swear I heard George’s neighbor Frank tell CNN/HLN that Trademark was actually on the lawn in front of his townhouse. And because George had on a prior occasion disurpted a burglary in process at Frank’s house, it seems reasonable for George to think that another one might be happening the evening of Feb 26.

          In his written statement, George wrote that Trademark was “casually walking in the rain looking into homes”. I don’t have time at the moment to check his other statmeents … did George at any time mention the mail area?

          The Persecution needs W8 and W8 will destroy their case. What a horrible mess they’re in. :)

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          • myopiafree says:

            Hi Tara –
            The “sneak through” area was in the bushes behind Taffe’s home. Thus Mr. Martin avoided walking though the “gate” area. George saw that as “suspicious”. TM walked towards the Mail area, and George was indeed behind him. Then George stopped near the “T”, and TM gave George a “once over” – and continued to the “T”. It is at that point that Zim saw TM “jog” around the “building”, and disappear in the gloom. The land down the “T” was strictly home-owner property – not “common ground”. So, in answer, TM was 1) Through the bushes, and walked to the “mail area”, and then to the “T”. If other would please clarify – if they wish to.

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          • John Galt says:

            “did George at any time mention the mail area?”

            GZ’s reenactment video states that GZ drove down the road and parked on the opposite side of the clubhouse from the mail thing after observing Trayvon trespassing on Frank Taafee’s lawn and looking about at houses. While GZ was parked at the clubhouse initiating the NEN call, Trayvon walked past, went around the corner of the clubhouse and took off. No mention of mail thing, much less loitering at mail thing.

            That is one of the fundamental problems with W8’s story. In the April 2 “interview” W8 has Trayvon loitering at the mail thing, and additionally has Trayvon’s arrival and departure from the mail thing synchronized with phone call connection and disconnection. Probably phone records and ping logs nuke W8’s fairy tale. One of the reasons that I don’t think we will be hearing from W8 at trial.

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        • judyt22 says:

          Yes and he wasn’t in a hurry ~ since GZ is interested in law enforcement and has been on Neighborhood Watch for a while he recognized what he had undoubtedly seen many times ie as the old saying goes: “if it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck”

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  10. nivico says:

    “Wannabe cop” is a wholly offensive and derogatory term. It denigrates and demoralizes an entire class of privately employed individuals who provide an invaluable service to the public… from campus security, to mall security, to the men and women who protect you every time you walk into a bank.

    And in George’s case, it ascribes ill intentions to anyone who even aspires to work in law enforcement and is steadily working hard towards that goal.

    This isn’t a matter of being able to prove that George had such aspirations, it’s a matter of what the state is prepared to argue in court being offensive…

    It is the equivalent of Bernie accusing a woman of being afflicted with ‘penis envy’ and entering receipts for pants and gun range logs into evidence as proof of his misogynistic views.

    Judge Nelson, Corey, Bernie, Guy, Bondi, and Mantei should all be ashamed of themselves :(

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    • Right on! The whole term “cop wanna be” and “queer for the gear” is offensive at so many levels! In my town, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captains are invited to read and score the personal essays of police officer applicants. There may be 150 applications for 3 opening for the year. These men and women are 4-year college graduates, who have also completed all law enforcement requirements. To get experience, they toil as community service officers, volunteer for the Sheriff’s office water patrol, park boards, etc. Many have military training, are paramedics, fluent in Spanish. Shopping mall security guards, often derided by society, are often top candidates as they must deal with all kinds of thugs, suicide cases, medical calls, etc. I think these women on the jury may know a young man or woman who has taken law enforcement classes, and would be equally offended.

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      100% agree, they are a disgrace to Florida and the justice system.

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      It’s no secret that I comment on HP (understatement) about this case and, as such, have had numerous exchanges with TrayHuggers who love to use the term “wannabe cop” to deride George Zimmerman.

      My frequent response to this has become:

      Since when did “wanting to be a policeman” become a *bad* goal, and when did embracing (and even emulating) the “Thug Lifestyle” of drug use, violence, sexism, and disregard for the law become an excusable, or even an *expected* behavior? When did the value system of our country become so distorted and so perverted that we even need to have this conversation? Is this a matter of “broken” moral compasses, or a matter of entire generations with no moral compasses whatsoever?

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      • sangell says:

        Recall the name Charles Ramsey? He was the ‘wanna be cop’ who, hearing a woman yelling, ran from his house and found Amanda Berry desperately trying to get out of a Cleveland madman’s house of horror. He pried the door apart so she could escape and became a big media hero for helping three Cleveland woman escape from years of enslavement. Of course, BDLR would have called Ramsey’s actions irresponsible and dangerous. Did he ‘profile’ the young white Amanda Berry as being sexually attractive? What if she had been an old ugly black woman? Would Ramsey have intervened on her behalf. We’ll never know and it doesn’t matter when it all turns out to the good.

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        • nivico says:

          …and Richard Jewell, the private security guard who saved countless lives only to find himself called a ‘wannabe cop’ and accused of being the Atlanta Centennial Park bomber (before they identified the actual bomber, Eric Rudolph).

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        • Optimistic says:

          Don’t worry, BDLR would have also accused him of taking the law into his own hands as well.
          One of the things of the TrayHugger line of crap that I have found most offensive from day one is their argument that George did something wrong by watching out for his neighborhood (he should have stayed in his car, he wrongly profiled, he shouldn’t have followed, etc.) I have on quite a few occasions watched groups of teenagers in my neighborhood, have followed them, and even called the cops on them. I don’t think I’m stepping out of line, but rather that it is my DUTY as a member of society to look out for my fellow man (and woman.)
          I wish I had saved it, but during the Boston bombing, one of the law enforcement types made a well said statement to the affect that it is the duty of citizens to keep their eyes open, and do something about it when they see something suspicious.

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      • nivico says:

        My concern isn’t that some idiots online use such derogatory language… it’s pretty much expected behavior from the trolls who live under the HuffPo bridge.

        What’s outrageous is that it’s the state that will be using such offensive and prejudicial terminology and with the judge’s blessings, no less.

        And for Nelson to sit there and acknowledge that there is in fact case law and precedent for excluding such language, and with J. Guy sitting there admitting in court that the state does in fact intend to use the terms in a manner that is prohibited (just not exclusively in that manner), she’s going to allow it in anyway…?!

        Furthermore, the term ‘wannabe cop’ is blatantly meant to reference and disparage the defendant’s character… on this point alone it should not be allowed.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        Well, said, LJP. Well, said.

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    • recoverydotgod says:

      A few links:

      http://lawandordermag.epubxp.com/i/51979/51

      http://www.jud11.flcourts.org/SCSingle.aspx?pid=286

      Crisis Intervention Training
      in FEATURED by sbcops — July 25, 2011 at 1:43 pm

      http://police.dadeschools.net/crisis-intervention-training-2/

      -snip-
      The M-DSPD is proud to be the best trained agency in the State of Florida in the field of Mental Health.
      -snip-

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  11. They probably haven’t considered the jury may find the term offensive as well.

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    • Yakmaster says:

      I thought about the Juror who has a background as a Safety Officer when the “wanna-be cop” was allowed by Nelson. What might that lady think? PS. I don’t know the job description for a Safety Officer…

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      • John VI says:

        Occupational health and safety. Not to put to fine a point on it but it falls under 2 categories. Human resources drone or drafted manager. They enforce government safety regulations in a workplace. Whmis requirements, personal protection equipment maintenance, first aid compliance, etc. essentially, they make sure there are exactly enough band aids in the first aid kit to comply with government business compliance regulations to avoid fines.

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  12. Pitbull says:

    The trial is about to begin So now, there is one and ONLY one DECIDER on all trial issues – that is Judge Nelson, who has demonstrated that she is either working under THREAT or INCENTIVE from the BGI team – bottom to top. I believe the amount of abuse of discretion, abuse of process, and plain old “make the law up as you need to” by the Judge during this trial, will leave ALL in shock. Just watch. I would love to be wrong !

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  13. over the top says:

    this morning I read this comment from CFNews13 that kinds surprised me and I’m wondering if it was a misprint. the story says that:

    The judge also allowed the following terms the defense sought to ban:
    “Vigilante”
    “Wannabe cop”
    He “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”
    He “confronted” Trayvon Martin.

    I’m particularly concerned about the “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”…there is no truth whatsoever to this comment!

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    • cboldt says:

      The judge didn’t rule on the “got out of the car after being told not to,” because the state said that statement is false, and the state has no intention of making that statement to the jury, ever. IOW, the state didn’t need a court order against it, this time, to keep it from misleading the jury.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      He “got out of the car after police (or dispatcher) told him not to”

      Exactly opposite of what transpired. Both the State and Nelson concurred that such a statement is factually incorrect, and that it would not be used.

      Don’t believe everything you hear on the news. They generally still can’t even understand the difference between “self-defense”, “stand your ground”, and “immunity”.

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    • judyt22 says:

      Judge Nelson ruled on one out of the six that the defense wanted excluded from opening statements and it was the “getting out of the car” because she said that one had already been disproved …

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  14. The people of Orlando must really shake their heads at news reports like this:

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  15. sangell says:

    Not that it is particularly important but where is Trayvon’s brother, Jahvarmint or whatever is name is? As I recall, he initially dropped out of college to join Sybrina and Tracy on the “Trayvon World Tour” but he seems to no longer make appearances on behalf of the ’cause’. Has some ‘issue’ arisen that has kept Jahvarmint from being part of the ‘family’?

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  16. Mr. Izz says:

    I’m just sick over this. All of this. A huge part of me wishes that I had never gotten involved and read every single piece of public information available. This judge, a supposed unbiased individual presiding over this farce, is allowing the most false, yet damning, of language and evidence into this trial. “Right to a fair trial”? Please. The prosecution can profile and rip into Zimmerman’s background, but Trayvon is completely off limits. “Experts” will probably be allowed into this with zero credentials and present ridiculous “evidence.” The prosecution can use words and phrases to easily attack the character of Zimmerman, and the defense apparently just has to take it. The more I read, the more sure that Zimmerman is innocent. Additionally, the more I read about the judge and the way the trial has proceeded, I can easily see how Zimmerman will be found guilty.

    The only hope rests with the jury. A jury who will be receiving all sorts of tainted evidence, incomplete facts, statements, and complete lies. Complete lies in a courtroom that is supposed to be about facts and truth. I’m sick, disturbed, and incredibly angry at our system. This isn’t justice. This is a manhunt. Zimmerman has a huge target on his back, and there isn’t much to stop the mob at this point.

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  17. partyof0 says:

    And now, her “Honor??”, the Judge has furthered the implication of the Demonic Zimmerman and the Angelic Trayvon from her pro prosecution rulings…

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  18. partyof0 says:

    If I were the Defense, I would open by calling George every name in the book in addition to what the prosecution opened with, with the intent of telling the Jury everything they think they will hear him being called by the prosecution…lay the absurd on them…

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    • ed greene says:

      Will someone name 6 witnesses the state will call

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      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Timothy Smith, Tara Malphurs, Shiping Bao, Amy Siewert, Anthony Gorgone, and Sybrina Fulton.

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      • ed greene says:

        And what are they going to testify about

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        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Short version
          1) first responder-retrieved firearm from GZ, GZ confessed to shooting TM
          2) ME’s CSI inv-TM deceased upon Malphur’s arrival-transported to morgue
          3) ME-TM died as result of single GSW to chest
          4) Analyst-firearms section-gun seized by Officer Smith fired fatal shot
          5) DNA Lab Analyst: TM’s DNA not on gun, GZ’s DNA not under TM’s nails
          6) TM’s Mother: It was my innocent little son who was screaming for help (cue tears)

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    • recoverydotgod says:

      +zillion +1 + 1/2 + 0.0000011111111111111

      In fact, a PR rep montage…particularly from PR rep facebook…would be great…..

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  19. partyof0 says:

    So the f’in State can profile George Zimmerman in court with their accusations as “a wannabe cop…a vigilante…a (non-racial?) profiler”…but in his own defense, the Defense and GZ cannot/could not profile Trayvon Martin based on anything he has or has not EVER done…good pro-conviction call ?udge Nelson.

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  20. SickInSeminole says:

    Did I miss the Frye ruling? It’s 4:00! ;)

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  21. dawndoe says:

    Has Frank Taaffe turned on George? I saw an excerpt of an interview (on HLN) between the slithering Vinnie Politan and Frank Taaffe. I’m not sure if this was an old video or a current video. They seemed to be quite chummy, but maybe that was just my imagination. Frank seemed to be of the mindset that Trayvon was just trying to get out of the rain vs. the possibility of him casing homes. I don’t know whether TM was or was not casing homes, but I would think that Frank would have said something like, “This is where TM was walking.” Did anyone see this? Does anyone know what the status of George and Frank’s relationship is now?

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    • eastern2western says:

      hln is a weird little channel that is willing to edit tapes to incriminate Zimmerman.

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      • dawndoe says:

        I know. I can’t stand HLN, but it is the only cable station that I know of that has trial coverage; even though they tend to show very little of the trial and show more of the commentators and legal “experts.”

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        • eastern2western says:

          hln is run by a bunch of xxxxxxx because it hires weird body language experts to analyze Zimmerman’s emotions.
          ———————–
          Edit by admin

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        • eastern2western says:

          HLN is really confuse about its own identity. It hires some of the best available lawyers/doctors in the country as experts, but it also have body language experts in their shows who pretending to be analytical. It is a weird hybrid that just does not make any sense. In addition, its overdramatic music and camera works play more like a Mexican novella than a real news channel.

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          • SickInSeminole says:

            And they make stuff up just to have 2 opposing views. Since they’ve become an entertainment (exaggerated) trial coverage channel they should really remove get a new name. I don’t know what it was like before, but there is no news now.

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          • partyof0 says:

            Yes…body language experts…I can hear them now…”Notice how Zimmerman has not changed his facial expression or moved an inch in the last four hours…that tells us a lot…well, we’re outa time…time for lunch…”

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    • ftsk420 says:

      He still backs George 100% sometimes he’s a little out there.

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  22. dawndoe says:

    Does anyone have a favorite link they are going to use to watch the trial?

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    • howie says:

      yes. The summer rates are in force and it is not crowded in the heat of the day. You can play 27 holes on the quick quick. I already know the ending of this movie.

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    • jaybird says:

      I personally like the wftv one. I like their ‘live blog’ ie, chat feature, and I like the lawyers giving their feelings about what happened when the court is on break. The link is in main post above.

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      • dawndoe says:

        Thanks, Jaybird. I will have to give that one a try. I will probably keep the TV on and mute it when they go to commercial and watch it streaming live on wftv.

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  23. recoverydotgod says:

    I’m not sure how this helps the prosecution….

    Zimmerman trial: Prosecutors can call him a ‘vigilante,’ judge says
    By Patrik Jonsson, Staff Writer / June 21, 2013

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0621/Zimmerman-trial-Prosecutors-can-call-him-a-vigilante-judge-says

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    • recoverydotgod says:

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    • eastern2western says:

      vigilantism could bring a counter effect. If the prosecution uses such word, then the defense is freely to bring in neighbors, friends, relatives and many other character witnesses to show Zimmerman was simply a man watching out for his neighborhood.

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      • recoverydotgod says:

        Not to mention reportedly the PR guy…

        Dueling scenarios helped shape Trayvon story in epic media battle
        IN THE SHADOW OF RACE: 5th in an occasional series
        6:54 p.m. EST, September 29, 2012|
        By Hal Boedeker and Martin E. Comas, Orlando Sentinel

        http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-29/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-media-20120929_1_george-zimmerman-zimmerman-camp-mark-o-mara/2

        -snip-

        “I never engaged in any racial conversation,” Julison said. “To me, the story was a Neighborhood Watch vigilante carrying a gun who shot an unarmed teenager and wasn’t arrested.”

        -snip-

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        • dawndoe says:

          It’s “almost” as heinous to carry a gun as it is to be a racist in the eyes of those with a liberal bent to their ideology.

          I’ve read many comments on the ‘net from people who just think there is something wrong with a person who carries a gun, especially one who carries one with them everywhere they go.

          I was at a Craft Fair last year and there was a booth set up for people to sign up for their Conceal Carry license. I saw one guy whom you could tell that the very idea of carrying a gun was fanatical and weird to him. He was polite, yet a bit snooty, to the person when he said, “No thanks, I’m good.”

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  24. jaybird says:

    how hard is it for the judge to state that these two guys are not ‘experts’ but wackjobs who have no place in a courtroom.

    I mean, jeez. These guys dont even have methods that other scientists would say are standard.

    Come on Nelson. Get on with it.

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  25. eastern2western says:

    court day over, nelson is going to make her decision after the conviction of Zimmerman.

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  26. eastern2western says:


    If the judge accepts reich, then trent sawyer should go in as well because he builds a much better story with reich’s results. at least. trent has better hearing and his super vision sees everything.

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Trent has reticently agreed to make “donations” that can be used with similar profferings from DeeDee to spawn a master race of “Super Experts” that will aid in the persecution of anyone who dares to defend themselves in the not-so-distant future.

      Who ever said that in vitro fertilization had to be “not for profit”?

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      • eastern2western says:

        on one summer’s night, thys thy raining darkness. a racist redneck walked out of thy car and chased down a pre-pubrity black child with his shot gun and hover board. reich is writing his novella as the court is happening.

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        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Twas a DARK and RAINY eve
          That hatch’d their plot to deceive
          But Ne’er did George proclaim
          Not even in disdain:
          Alas, “These shall be”
          Nay, not he.

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  27. nwtex says:

    This may have already been posted by some “quick-draw’ McGraw” types :wink:
    If so, I apologize for this DUP

    (figures—-“birds of a …”)
    YancyFaith ‏@YancyFaith 18m
    “Jerry Counelis,” #stealth juror, on Fred Pleatherman’s amateur law blog.
    21 Jun 13

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  28. arkansasmimi says:

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    • jaybird says:

      If I lived closer to Sanford, I would go. It is not even the taking a day off from work that would be an issue, it would be the taking TWO days off, since I would need to apply in person the day before as far as I know.

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    • janc1955 says:

      I can’t help but think the general public realizes they’ve been lied to on a grand scale by the schemers. I suspect many who were rooting for Team Skittles are simply no longer interested in the case.

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    • sundance says:

      They let you wear hats in the courthouse? Wow.

      Anyone else notice all he high vis police in/around the courthouse are “black”. Optics, optics, optics. If you didn’t know better you’d never know they were not Seminole or Orange County Sheriff folks – they are actually from 6 counties all around.

      Optics, optics, optics…… nothing to see here folks… move along…. move along.

      Great job by the CRS.

      Yes, the CRS coordinates this. (It was news to me at the time – but I’m getting a valuable batch of learning in this trial) The visible police are actually coordinated by the feds through the CRS – the locals are left to continue on with their general duties, with the obvious blank checks for overtime which makes all the cops joyful and happy. Christmas in July.

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  29. arkansasmimi says:

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    • eastern2western says:

      it is really hard to find any precedent or law that accepts magic. Nelson should just call the prosecution witness as experts of some sort and used the reasoning she did on crump. pam bondi could write a rebuttal if the 5dca demands an explanation/

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      • John Galt says:

        There is precedent for allowing testimony about imaginary voices. I would have argued to Nelson that Reich must prove schizophrenia prior to being allowed to testify as to his auditory hallucinations.

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    • 22tula says:

      “Zimmerman v. Trayvon – Common Sense Analysis – Screaming …”
      Michael Mortimer – Published on May 16, 2013
      Sometimes the simplest technique tells us what is what.
      This audio guy (his words) slowed down the speed of an ear witness call to 911 and in this person’s opinion George Zimmerman is the guy screaming for help.

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    • Optimistic says:

      Is it me or is this ridiculous? The attorneys need to prepare their opening statements, which go Monday morning. MOM and BDLR suddenly have to go depose one of George’s professors over the weekend, and they still don’t know whether they need to address the “voice” experts in their opening statements? Not too mention that Reich hasn’t even written his report yet?

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  30. arkansasmimi says:

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    • jaybird says:

      jeez. They are just filing this now? WTF!

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    • John Galt says:

      Good job by West.

      http://www.leagle.com/decision-result/?xmldoc/1993662627So2d35_1646.xml/docbase/CSLWAR2-1986-2006

      We conclude that the trial court erred in excluding the testimony of witnesses to the shooting that described appellant Alexander’s exclamations and actions immediately after firing the shot that killed the victim. This testimony was admissible under the res gestae rule now codified in sections 90.803(1), (2), and (3), Florida Statutes (1991), which define the conditions for admissibility of (1) spontaneous statements, (2) excited utterances, and (3) then existing mental and emotional conditions of the declarant. The statements about which these witnesses could testify were made almost simultaneously with the act of shooting, a period of time too short to support a finding of fabrication that would destroy the apparent trustworthiness of this evidence. The mere fact that statements are self-serving is not, in and of itself, a sufficient evidentiary basis for their exclusion from evidence. No legal principle excludes statements or conduct of a party solely on the ground that such statements or conduct is self-serving.

      http://www.leagle.com/decision-result/?xmldoc/19961522672So2d850_11360.xml/docbase/CSLWAR2-1986-2006

      Employee Shirley Masef heard a shot, froze for a second, saw Deborah Fezza (another employee) run toward appellant’s office and yelled “don’t go in there” to Fezza. Masef then ran immediately down the stairs and out of the building with another employee, Debra Pollack. Within seconds, witnesses Masef and Pollack heard Stiles say: “it was an accident,” and “there was an accident.” Employee Fezza heard Stiles say within seconds “It just went off.” Appellant was not allowed to refer to those statements in his opening statement and the trial court excluded the testimony of Pollack, Masef, and Fezza as to the above exclamations made by appellant within seconds after the shot occurred.
      Appellant asserts that these statements should have been admissible under section 90.803(2), Florida Evidence Code, as “excited utterances.” We agree.

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  31. Right now, I’m picturing Nelson at home, looking out her window toward the horizon and saying to herself, “You know, the earth does look flat from this perspective. I can see why an expert would come to that conclusion.”

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  32. jello333 says:

    Well… gotta try to catch up. Maybe I’ll be talking “live” to you guys by, oh… around midnight. :(

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    • Mr. Izz says:

      That’s what I do, which is why the majority of my comments come later at night and in the evening. Everything is generally talked about and over by the time I jump online.

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      lol Know the feeling Jello. And VBS starts NEXT WEEK guess when? lol 8 til noon Central time. Thankfully can watch what I miss online, it just feels diff watching late. Oh well, look for the blessings. Happy reading… I am catching up too.

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  33. kathyca says:

    A pretty fair article for a change. Quotes that George told the NEN operator OK in response to we don’t need you to do that. Calls both by full names. Notes that Trayvon was 17. Talks about George saying he screamed for help and that “someone” screaming for help is heard on the 911 tapes. No mention of skittles or iced tea and a somewhat accurate photo of Trayvon and George in a suit and tie . . . hmmm

    http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/no-ruling-yet-whether-audio-experts-can-testify-zi/nYRnj/

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    • sundance says:

      Eye opening segment on CNN Erin Burnett show about Sanford Preparation etc. Fits right in with my conversations I’ve had there. Hopefully later a video will be possible.

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    • jaybird says:

      They dont mind being ‘sort of’ fair now, since the jury is already selected. No one else to try to taint!

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      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Don’t forget the witnesses. A little intimidation can go a LONNNNG way with a witness that has kids. I hope the NBPP keeps their big mouths shut, and leaves them alone.

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