George Zimmerman Case – Judge Nelson Denies Crump Deposition 2.0 Without A Hearing….

Judge Nelson

In a staggering, but not unexpected, display of judicial bias Judge Nelson has ruled against George Zimmerman’s defense,… again.    Denying George Zimmerman the right to depose Trayvon Martin family attorney, Benjamin Crump, about his involvement with all issues surrounding Witness #8, “DeeDee”:

Denied motion

pdf here

As the Orlando Sentinel outlines –  A Sanford judge today said no to defense attorneys for George Zimmerman, who had asked a second time that the attorney for Trayvon Martin‘s family be required to answer their questions under oath.

Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson made that ruling in a three sentence order that offered no explanation.

In her earlier ruling, three weeks ago, she wrote that Zimmerman’s attorneys had failed to show that they could get the information from no other source, that it was relevant or crucial to the case.  (read more)

GZ home screenshot 3-28

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168 Responses to George Zimmerman Case – Judge Nelson Denies Crump Deposition 2.0 Without A Hearing….

  1. waltherppk says:

    And this is the judge who would have been presumed to be an impartial “Court” to be presiding over any immunity hearing if such hearing were to be held? YMBFK

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  2. brocahontas says:

    Can we depose the judge?

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  3. ottawa925 says:

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  4. Don P. says:

    They are all in bed together. No fair trial will be found for George Z.

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    • Angel says:

      I see an emerging strategy (or a renewed on) out of this focus on Rzimmerman’s recent statement. Renewed focus on Witness # 9 and her statements about the Zimmerman family being racist. Takes the focus off of Witness 8; Focusing on GZ’s apparent state of mind and profiling and if proven, witness 8 won’t really be needed. All along prosecutors have said, they don’t know who threw the first hit and that TM did hit GZ and charged anyway. Won’t need witness 8 really if this is indeed becomes the strategy. Give a logical, compelling argument that GZ racially profiled and pursued and this could have caused TM to attack, well ….. RZimmerman’s statements may not be proven to be helpful especially in light of Witness 9 statements and probable testimony. #Witness#8who?

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      • ftsk420 says:

        GZ brother had nothing to do with what happen that night. FBI says George isn’t racist doesn’t matter if family members are.

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        • Angel says:

          “GZ brother had nothing to do with what happen that night. FBI says George isn’t racist doesn’t matter if family members are.”

          I know that, you know that but the ones who are running with the ball don’t care to know that.

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        • Angel says:

          Crump has not reemerged for nothing. And it wasn’t to discuss W8, was it, according to his discussion on the video posted. They discussed W9 and how it relates to the statements of RZimmerman

          MOM did not help at all by agreeing the statements by RZimmerman were soo inappropriate.

          If this keeps up, well….

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          • ftsk420 says:

            For me I could careless what his brother says or doesn’t say. He has nothing to do with this. There is a lot of shady stuff surrounding witness #9 to. Remember the cop who asked for Tracy cell number I believe he was the same one who spoke to witness#9. What I think happen with that was he wanted Tracy cell number so he could tell him about witness#9 among other things.

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            • auscitizenmom says:

              Whoa, I’m not a lawyer type but this is something I hadn’t heard before and it sounds to me like it might be important.

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            • Sha says:

              I know I would have told crump since you wont to talk about witness #9 why don’t we talk about why YOU dont wont to talk about witness #8 .

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Bobby isn’t racist either. The point he was trying to make wasn’t about being black.

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      • brocahontas says:

        Racially profiling someone isn’t illegal.

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  5. Shilo says:

    THE FIX IS IN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  6. pbunyan says:

    So are we beginning to understand how things work in the fundamentally transformed USSA?

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  7. ottawa925 says:

    MOM and West better wake up and smell the coffee. Or maybe George needs to wake up and smell the coffee. He needs a pitbull defense, which makes me think he needs an attorney from out of state, who is licensed to practice in Florida, or who comes in Pro Hac Vice. I don’t fault the writing of the Motions, they have been stellar. But the attorneys are simply not aggressive enough for this case. An attorney needs to know what to do when he’s getting the shaft. Do you think for one moment that you wouldn’t hear peep out of Jose Baez if this was his case. He’d be on Geraldo every other week. This is so disgusting.

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    • Sharon says:

      “MOM and West better wake up and smell the coffee.”

      Or….what?

      Not sarcasm. They did not stumble into this perspective or these positionings. Their conscious choices have brought them to this point. They are wide awake, and sipping the coffee they brewed.

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      • ottawa925 says:

        “sipping the coffee they brewed” leisurely no doubt. I didn’t care for the yuking it up with opposing counsel in the courtroom. I never liked it even in my own experience working with attorneys. The only other thing I can think of is moving the case out of state and having a federal judge hear the case. That’s it. Out of ideas.

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      • lovemygirl says:

        Or is it latte?

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    • tara says:

      But the attorneys are simply not aggressive enough for this case.

      This is no ordinary case. Aggressive attorneys could make everything worse. All of the years of people asleep at the wheel allowed this environment to be created. (I blame myself as well as others, I used to be a “Champion of the Blacks!”.) So now O’Mara and West have to work within the parameters of the environment UNTIL their client is acquitted.

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  8. justice4z says:

    Disgusting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. wrongonred says:

    So, the initial motion stated that it was denied because they had not shown that they could not reasonably obtain that information another way, and said to depose Witness 8, so they did, file the motion showing that the information they seek can only be obtained from Crump, and still denied, but with no basis, or hearing to present any new evidence. While I was never so naive to expect this to be anything other than a biased prosecution, this is branching into the theater of the absurd. I can only there are folks on the 5th DCA shaking their heads at all this. The Judge is actively impeding the defense, and even to the common man this looks like a railroad.

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    • ftsk420 says:

      What exactly is MOM trying to find out. Did Dee Dee tell him something and needs Crump depo to confirm it. Is Dee Dee not saying something.

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  10. Knuckledtaggingwino says:

    I suspect that MoM and West have laid a trap for Nelson. So far, the content of the various depositions, particularly that of whichever DoubleDee Dee they were deposing, has not been revealed except for a few tidbits in these filings. My guess is that there was far more significant information revealed. Obviously; Double Dee Dee recanting her previous testimony would be great. However; just interviewing her regarding her relationship history with TM including venues of where they associated ( school, church, neighborhood) will enable MoM and West to investigate her history. Given identifying information, they can investigate who she really is. I can’t imagine Crump was careful enough to fabricate a history for this Double Dee Dee that can be corroborated by objective “ebidence.”

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    • ftsk420 says:

      I may be the only one who thinks this but I think Stephen Martin knows Dee Dee very well.

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      • Angel says:

        “I may be the only one who thinks this but I think Stephen Martin knows Dee Dee very well.”

        You’re not. Just not vocal about it except in my own mind as not enough facts yet to speculate without it making sense.

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      • auscitizenmom says:

        ‘Scuse me, but I forgot who Stephen Martin is.

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        • ftsk420 says:

          Trayvon cousin

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        • Sha says:

          “Boobie” is Stephen . Trayvon lived with stephens parents . They where cousins but also best friends and almost like brothers

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          • wrongonred says:

            And the phone call was T-Mobile to T-Mobile on the activity sheet Tracey printed off, not T-Mobile to Simple……I betcha Stephen was on the same cell phone plan. If not, who had those other lines?

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            • ftsk420 says:

              I actually called T mobile and asked how the calls show up between simple mobile and T mobile. I was told Simple mobile shows up as T mobile.

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              • wrongonred says:

                I am a T-Mobile Customer and did as well, and was told the exact opposite, and in fact received it in writing and posted it here. That they are not included in the Phone to Phone Minutes on the Classic T-Mobile Plan. While they lease space on T-Mobile’s network infrastructure, they are not treated as TMO calls for billing/activity purposes. In fact, it would be to TMO’s commercial disadvantage to do so, as it would allow more free phone to phone calling rate than use anytime minutes, thus less revenue in overages for TMO. You will note that you will not find any material from SIMPLE or T-Mobile indicating that any such interoperability of the plans. If they were interoperable this way, that would be a point they would be sure to market, as that would be a selling point.

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            • John Galt says:

              Facts:

              1. The number shown on the T-Mobile phone log flaunted by Crump was visible in a still shot from the press conference video.
              2. The state released the police report regarding obtaining the phone records, but failed to redact the phone number.
              3. The number indicated in the police report and shown on the records flaunted by Crump is the same number.
              4. The pertinent calls were shown on the records flaunted by Crump as T-Mobile to T-Mobile calls.
              5. Admitted liar W8 stated on April 2, 2012 that her cell phone carrier was T-Mobile and the records should “now” be in her name.
              6. The state obtained on April 2, 2012 records for W8’s alleged phone number from Simple Mobile, which indicated that the account was anonymous.

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              • Douglas says:

                Stephan’s phone then needs to be placed in the possession of TM moments before his death for this to work.

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                • wrongonred says:

                  These are GSM (as opposed to CDMA) phones, so not the phone, the SIM card. But why does Stephan’s phone need to be in TM’s possession? I think the phone on the other end was another phone on Tracy’s plan, whether it was Stephan or not. It was not a SIMPLE mobile number, which is anonymous, and what DeeDee supposedly had

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      • yankeeintx says:

        It is funny that DD said something along the lines of Trayvon came over to her house along with his best friend. Sounds like the best friend (who everyone claims is Stephen) was going there anyway, and Trayvon tagged along. I agree with you, Stephen knows both DD’s very well.

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    • ackbarsays says:

      In denying the motion without prejudice, the judge is inviting another motion, with new evidence not contained in the previous motion. She’s basically saying “this new motion isn’t worth my time because it contains nothing new (that might have been found during the DeeDee deposition).” She is, in effect, trying to force O’Mara and West to reveal their hand regarding DeeDee to the prosecutors by filing a new motion that lays out what specifically they are seeking from Crump and why they feel that only Crump can provide it. In doing so, she’s trying to protect Bernie, Corey, and Crump from the trap that O’Mara and West are trying to set for them. Shameful behavior on her part.

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  11. sundance says:

    It ain’t the denial motion I find alarming…

    As Rene Stutzman tweeted – The state prosecution requested the postponement of the hearing…. The judge granted the postponement without ever calling the defense, considering the defense, or even giving them the courtesy of notification that she was going to delay/postpone.

    Think about what was happening around the time of her postponement? Again, why and who does it benefit?

    Don’t want to have a hearing without all your adviser ducks in a row …… Seek The Truth, it is a quest, but it exists in pure form.

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    • wrongonred says:

      What I find most galling is this: “A court spokesperson said the judge has made it clear she is available whenever needed, and she will make time available if Zimmerman’s attorneys need it. ”

      http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/3/28/george_zimmerman_jud.html

      Really? Could not make time when she could not be tracked down when they attempted to video Witness 8 and BDLR objected (he is not her counsel and the Fl Court Rules allow it, plus was noticed)

      Could not make time to hold a hearing to address any of the immediate motions before the court, cancels the 04/02 hearing……what does DOJ-CRS have a long weekend and no cell phone access to call her?

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      • Sha says:

        She’s a lying piece of work . :evil:

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      • John Galt says:

        “A court spokesperson said the judge has made it clear she is available whenever needed, and she will make time available if Zimmerman’s attorneys need it.”

        Crump, Natalie Jackson and the entire Martin – Fulton clan are also standing by to lend any assistance required in the interest of justice.

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        • jello333 says:

          Who knows what will happen. I’m assuming that the DCA is in the very near future. But if so, I don’t think MOM/West are gonna make any attempts to get Nelson removed. Actually I hope they DON’T do that. I don’t WANT her removed, at least not if the DCA gets involved. MUCH better would be for them to slap Nelson down, and tell her to get back into that courtroom and start doing her job. “You are hereby ordered to…” kind of language. And then watch her demeanor at the first open hearing. She would be SEETHING, and I can imagine West just smiling at her, politely saying, “Good morning Judge Nelson. Isn’t this a beautiful Spring day?”

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        • tara says:

          Crump, Natalie Jackson and the entire Martin – Fulton clan are also standing by to lend any assistance required in the interest of justice.

          They have assured Nelson that her house will not be burned down if she complies.

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        • againstthewall says:

          LOL

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    • justfactsplz says:

      This gives the persecution time to take full advantage of Bobby’s tweets. The racial roar is and will become louder and louder. They can also re-vamp and come up with a different stradegy besides the Dee Dee narrative. They will now have more time to prepare with the hearing posponed. This is going nowhere but south.

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Also, bear in mind.
      This is not some scheduling SNAFU with a busy judge unable to set aside time, needing a later date.
      This hearing was scheduled.. an entire day set aside.

      Nelson has GONE OUT OF HER WAY to prevent this hearing happening.. prevent the accused being heard.

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      • yankeeintx says:

        She even made it clear that she was on vacation, but would be happy to come in because she would not be leaving town.

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  12. ottawa925 says:

    OK, what if we craft a letter TOGETHER with Sundance taking the lead and ask for a total investigation into this case and send it to Senator Marco Rubio. I know, I know, but come on … we’ve got to reach out to someone. If anything, it will be interesting to see what kind of response we get … wouldn’t it? This man may be running for Prez next time around, and we certainly could get a feel for what kind of guy he is when presented with what we know is happening in this case. I’m exhausted with trying to find justice for George. That’s all I want. A fair and just trial. No more, no less. What we have going on here is absolutely outrageous.

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    • ottawa925 says:

      We just throw the entire kitchen sink in that letter, no holds barred, and see what floats up.

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    • ottawa925 says:

      At least we would have the satisfaction of knowing we let this Florida Senator know what’s going on in his state. If he can’t step and right this wrong, then maybe he’s not Presidential material.

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      • ftsk420 says:

        In order for it to work he has to know that it will greatly affect his pres campaign. Do we pull that much weight to convince him the Treehouse and it’s supporters are better friends then enemies.

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        • ottawa925 says:

          He either has stones or he doesn’t. They make fun of him for drinking water. Ensuring one’s state has effective, fair and impartial court system is cornerstone. It’s foundation for a fair and just society. Without that you have what we have now, total corruption.
          He will have the absolute facts supported by evidence. Do you think the corrupt will be in hurry to engage him and expose themselves further. They had better be careful with that. That’s why things have been going along as they are cause there is no one blowing the whistle. I say call them out and let the chips fall where they may. Treehouse and readers vote, and we are very adapt at smelling out whose for real and whose not.

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      • Sharon says:

        Do Senators have direct influence and power over goes on within the judicial system?

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        • ottawa925 says:

          They have power to investigate.

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          • Sharon says:

            Congressional senators have the power to investigate judicial proceedings t the state level without prior investigations at the state level?

            I see no reason to think that Rubio would have anything to gain by jumping into this mess. And even though he’s a conservative (we think) he won’t jump in if there’s not. Seems to me it would be a violation of state boundaries.

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            • ottawa925 says:

              Sharon, you may be right. However, maybe he would find that info very enlightening. Info that goes right up to the Gov., Florida, Attorney General, DOJ and Obama. He doesn’t have to provide the face to investigate. He can pass the info to someone else who safely could that and then once exposed, he could react with total outrage that this is going on in his state. hmmm? sound good? plausible? We just present ourselves as concerned citizens not only of Florida, but of the United States, that this type of corrupt activity is going on right out in the open. People do write their Senators about all sorts of things. But, you’re right, he doesn’t have to do anything if so concerned about his bigger picture so to speak. But then again, you never know what someone will do with very damning information and how they may use that to their advantage.

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              • jello333 says:

                As I said in my other comment, I think for “investigative” purposes, this will probably go to the Florida DCA before anyone on the federal level could do much. But that doesn’t mean they couldn’t INFORMALLY look at what’s going on. I’m saying, if you contract Rubio (or whoever) it might be best just to give them some background, and offer to provide much more info. But DON’T say you’re doing that in hopes they start an investigation… at least not yet. Make it clear that you still have hopes that Florida will clean up its own mess (through the DCA or whatever), but IF NOT, then at THAT point, Rubio will have the info he needs to take it on.

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            • jello333 says:

              I would think that before a senator could look at the case, or before a Federal court could look at it, it would have to first be shown that going through the in-state process would be fruitless. I don’t think that can be shown yet. The DCA still seems to be the best route to go… and yes, I’m confident they’re not happy with what they’re seeing.

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        • brocahontas says:

          Does the President? Apparently the Fla judicial system is a political entity.

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    • Sha says:

      It’s more than outrageous…. It’s a disgrace in these days and times that something like this can happen right out in the open . :(

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I am game.

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  13. ottawa925 says:

    Help me with this. If the writing is on the wall with the corruption in this case, what makes MOM and West think that DURING TRIAL they won’t be sabotaged as well. I can see it now. Objection after objection, with the Judge declaring sustained. Or trying to present evidence … oop OJBECTION your Honor. Or the mention of Crump’s name … OBJECTION. She is going to continue this behavior throughout the trial. And her behavior will make the defense look weak, ineffective. Lay people who are not wise to all this corruption and especially those on the jury will be looking to the Judge as someone they have always believed will be impartial and making decisions based on law, not on her collusion with the State to do everything in her power to keep the defense looking stupid and thwart their attempts to demonstrate the facts in the case. I have NO DOUBT in my mind that she is going to do that. No doubt whatsoever. So for those of you that think … ok, this is just a battle lost in a long war …. ahhhhh NOO. She is out to make sure they lose every battle. And if you’re thinking … ok, they are in a courtroom now in front of a jury, everything will be OK …. I’m gonna have to slap you around. She is telling you STRAIGHT UP what her role is going to be. I hope you ppl get that. This is a highly strategized attack on the part of the corrupt. At no time are they going to let the defense get the upper hand, and that includes in front of a jury. And don’t be surprised when they pull a “she died in the swimming pool” routine like Baez did. Where they will pull something outta their butt and want the jury to believe it as truth, and the defense will take a direct T-bone hit. A lie that will be pushed as the truth, the defense will object, and SHE the scum that is will let it stand. You watch.

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    • Sha says:

      She’s gotta be kicked off this case.

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      • jello333 says:

        See my other comment on that. it would be MUCH better if she was just slapped down really hard and warned she better start doing her job. Can you imagine her expression the first time she sees MOM and West after such a DCA ruling? ;)

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    • Angel says:

      “ok, they are in a courtroom now in front of a jury, everything will be OK”

      Especially in front of a jury that is amenable to be persuaded to the narrative because of their perceptions. I read one of the newer books on the Godfather trilogy and I found the words of Michael Corleone in that book to be revealing in light of this case: “The truth has to bow down to what can be proven in court.”

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      • canadacan says:

        Perfect that’s it prove it!! There used to be 3 verdicts allowed in a Scottish court of law :guilty, not guilty and not proven

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      • Coast says:

        Ottawa925, I agree with your comments, because if I was not reading these motions by MOM, and seeing what this judge is doing, along with the rest of the State, I would not believe it. Honestly, I just didn’t think the justice system could be this bad.

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    • Sadie says:

      Yes

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    • jello333 says:

      Agree. And I’m sure MOM and West agree too. Which is why I’ll be stunned if they don’t go over her head to the DCA. And if they do that, and the DCA agrees with them, I do NOT believe they will sit on their hands, taking their time with a ruling. IF* they’re watching, and IF* they’re upset by what they’re seeing, then they will NOT just let this drift slowly toward a Nelson-controlled/scheduled trial.

      (* Key word)

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  14. ottawa925 says:

    BTW, Obama is going to Florida tomorrow to meet with Gov. Scott to discuss how to create jobs. I have a suggestion. Hire ppl to clean up all the damn corruption in that state. That should employ hundreds of thousands and take years to complete. I don’t live there but I hate it almost as much as I hate my state.

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    • Sharon says:

      I’ve not heard that obama is in favor of cleaning up corruption.

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    • Flaladybug says:

      I would volunteer to go to the capitol with a few buddies and hold a “FLORIDA JUSTICE IS AN OXYMORON” but I’m skeered I might “DISAPPEAR”!! LOL

      I am open to any suggestions as to what I can try to do in Tally to bring this to light. Maybe I should camp out at Crumpadump Law Firm and see if the POTUS and the GOV make a visit?? I know the editor at the Tallahassee Democrat (not a Scott fan btw) ………I could bring some of this info to him and see if he’ll do a story. He’s a REALLY ETHICAL guy who knows all about Florida’s Political BS and has NOT BEEN AFRAID TO PUBLICALLY GO AFTER SCOTT!!

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  15. Chip Bennett says:

    I still say the DCA is going to have a field day with this case. I know that JG says that the players are banking on judicial review being made moot by a jury acquittal, but that remains to be seen.

    Also: I wonder if O’Mara keeps hitting on Crump because, with the phone forensic data, he already has the goods to prove that the Witness 8 phone call never took place?

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    • ottawa925 says:

      “never took place”. I’d love to believe that, and could that be why we are seeing nothing in the way of evidence on the phones. Cause quite frankly, other than the claim that he was on phone with her … what do we need phone records for? The only other thing we need phone evidence for could be to see where GZ was when he ended his call with NEN, or to see if Trayvon WAS on the phone, but not with her, and tracking of his movements.

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      • lovemygirl says:

        Maybe DD#1 was Chad Green? He is a minor at least. JK.

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      • canadacan says:

        If Sundance approves it I will sign that letter that you’re talking about and I will sign my real name And do what I can to help

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      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Ottawa – I also suspect that the “Heart” Cell phone was DEAD – in the last ten minutes. There has yet to be any proof that a DeeDee/TM conversation ever took place in that last 10 minutes. The fact that the STATE holds back this evidence is a serious problem. Even IF DeeDee “talked” during the day – and was talking to TM, there is no evidence that the “ear buds” were connected. Further, if TM as attempting a “hushed” conversation – he would have to hold the cell-phone up to his face. This would have prevented his attack on George. This is truly a stupid case.

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Yes, I believe he has that already.,

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      • ottawa925 says:

        you do? hmmm, cause you have good instincts.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Maybe…….

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        • justfactsplz says:

          Maybe…….

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          • ottawa925 says:

            But if I had something as concrete (the evidence shows without a doubt) “there was no phone conversation between DD and Trayvon”, I would spray it all over the place. What could they do about it? Nothing. That opens the door that the whole DD thing was a fabrication. You don’t need to wait for trail to do that.

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            • justfactsplz says:

              Just because I believe he has it doesn’t mean I believe he will use it to defend George. He is not to be trusted.

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              • jello333 says:

                I don’t like the stuff he’s been saying in his interviews. He shouldn’t have said much at all regarding Bobby’s tweets and interview. But do I believe MOM is gonna keep some evidence helpful to George hidden for his own personal reasons? Absolutely not.

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    • jello333 says:

      While I can easily imagine that the State and Scheme Team are hoping none of this comes up later, I do not for a second believe that MOM and West are planning on just going to trial and saving all this stuff for an appeal if needed. For one thing, I think they know an appeal is NOT gonna be needed. But also, they know that IF George was convicted, even after that being overturned on appeal a HUGE amount of damage will already have been done to him. Both in actual physical reality, and in the “eyes of the public”.

      So yeah. I think the DCA is about to get seriously involved… BEFORE we get near the trial date.

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  16. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    I am astonished by Judge Nelson’s obvious corruption. Per Hapsburg we will have some. Divine intervention this weekend? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  17. jello333 says:

    Reading, trying to catch up now…

    Is this really a judge? Seriously? I mean, of all professions, shouldn’t “judge” be our most honest, intelligent, logical, with the most common sense? (Rhetorical… don’t answer!)

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    • Coast says:

      And I would add fair-minded and moral. I don’t think you can do more harm to an innocent person than to participate in the railroading of that individual. Pray that God changes her heart and mind.

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    • canadacan says:

      We have got to try it. Marco Rubio is a politician I understand that. But he can at the very least in his own unique way ask some questions. that genius O’Mara already has botched up things.

      Instead of the bridge to nowhere he’s got the judge from no way. so somehow the tree house has got to make its own way over around or through it to help George. I knew it was going to be bad so here we go. I am NOT a legal beagle but I will do whatever I’m asked to do.

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  18. sundance says:

    It appears the Treehouse is going to need to shine a Q-Beam into the CRS meetings with Nelson. :(

    Katybar the door, resupply your ammo, steady at the watch, we’re soon to be attacked by paid organizers….

    Wolverines !

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    • jello333 says:

      This may be the first time I’ve ever said this in a totally serious way, but…

      WOLVERINES!!

      Be safe, Sundance. But I know that’s not the only issue at hand here… I’m telling you, I’m getting less and less concerned about my own safety every day! I’ll do what I need to do to help expose this.

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    • hooson1st says:

      Sundance:

      If CRS met with Judge Nelson over this case, that would be an extremely serious matter.

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      • sundance says:

        You are effen kidding right? Good God Man – Wake up!

        They hold meetings and debriefings regularly…. I’m not talking about sharing that they *have* meetings – I’m talking about the actual substance of them and who’s around the table…..

        Or was that a sarcastic comment and I just overlooked the humor in it?

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    • againstthewall says:

      Suppose we can wait until the sanction motions are decided? No? You have some pity in you ? Come on she just was slammed with like a big arsenal. Let them recoup.

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    • Sha says:

      Wolverines !!!!

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Wolverines! We are ready. Paid organizers, sure, bring it.

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  19. againstthewall says:

    Look! Nothing is stopping MOM from putting Crump on the witness list or sup. to testify for trial. Very complicated but if MOM wants it done a depo can be taken without judge and with Crumps cooperation. If all else fails filings prove the State Dept. had knowledge of a lying star witness. Get wher I am going. But does MOM HAVE THE BALLS?

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    • tara says:

      He’s trying the standard methods first. When those have been exhausted, he can take a less conventional approach.

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      • againstthewall says:

        Yeppers and legally it has to be done.

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        • tara says:

          Just like we all laugh a little bit when Diwataman or anyone else posts “DENIED” when there are new Defense motions, I’m sure O’Mara and West do the same when they finish writing the motions. I can just imagine O’Mara and West looking at each other and saying “DENIED” as one of them holds the motion in the air.

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          • auscitizenmom says:

            That is a very funny picture you describe of MOM and West.

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          • jello333 says:

            Wouldn’t surprise me at all. And it’s actually a GOOD thing that the judge is pulling this stuff now, instead of saving it for an immunity hearing or trial. At least now MOM and West still have time to try to fix it.

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          • againstthewall says:

            Tara I see just a tab bit of lawyer in you. Motions even vauge legally sometimes give you all you need to know. Patience is the key. The first depo motion….bad. The reconsideration answer gave much much more and well that is thanks to you partially. They just failed to put in the right case law to get the right ruling….again. This Judge needs it in black and white… Thats all. It runs tne risk of prep but…. A liar is a liar.

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  20. I actually “fear” voir dire (jury selection). I can see Hon. Nelson asking, one question. It’s, “Are you a) completely convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt or b) mostly convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt?” If you answer B you are on the jury. *** Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative. ***

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    • againstthewall says:

      There is one thing we will always have on our side despite the fact liberals push an anti constitution agenda. The CONSTITUTION! Never forget it. Many died to give us this right even though many try their best to disasemble the cause. Stay in the tree. Do what is right. And for Gods sake never ever go to tne media! I have faith a jury even in Florida will find GZ NOT GUILTY, and perhaps pay attention to who runs for all offices from now on.

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    • John Galt says:

      “I actually “fear” voir dire (jury selection).”

      Nelson: Mr. O’Mara, do you have any race neutral reason to strike Mr. Jamal Ronqjharvus Johnson from the jury?

      MOM: No.

      Nelson: How about Mr. Rufus Leroy Washington?

      MOM: No.

      etc.

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      • againstthewall says:

        I am not a big fan of MOM. But GZs last legal advisors were agressive and well….. It got the family a bounty on their heads and in hiding. First things first.

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      • yankeeintx says:

        Or use their facebook names “Shaquiria Riptray Jefferson”.

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  21. againstthewall says:

    Crump made some mighty brazen accussations that lead to an arrest. Every person accussed of a crime in this country has a right to face those who examine those who speak against them. Alaw degree doe not make you exempt and besides a civil case based on a criminal outcome means squat. Due process or drop tne chrages!

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  22. againstthewall says:

    Remember Crump does not want immunity of any kind. What Team Skittles forgets is the 2nd amendment is designed to the act of self defense and this was self defense. Immune to any civil suit. Crump is banking on W8 and I think the judge is exparte and knows they wont even call her.

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  23. tara says:

    The Defense provided compelling evidence that Crump engaged in perjury, evidence tampering, and witness tampering which resulted in fabricated evidence harmful to the Defendant. The mere possibility that he might represent Sybrina and Tracy in a money-grubbing civil lawsuit surely cannot excuse him.

    What a lazy pathetic piece of sh*t this judge is. No explanation provided for her decision … because she has no explanation.

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    • againstthewall says:

      But there was not a consideration for perjury legally rasied. And initially MOM claimed Crump was not opposing atty. and he put that on the record but later changed it after the court said he was in newer motions. Tara. I am not being argumenative at all. I am just pointing out MOM refuses to stay ahead of the game. Will it lead to appealable issues like we think? You never base a case soley on appealble issues. You want an aquittal. Especially when you are wrapping an immunity in there. Do you think MOM was given to GZ under media advice? I wont name the atty here who refered GZ.

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  24. againstthewall says:

    Tara,
    First of all I personally must thank you for an unbelievable find. Second of all you are correct, not much better than Lester but hey it is Florida. This all at this point is pretrial bs. It happens all the time really. Go back to the very first time we saw MOM during the prob. cause. Do you really think this will pass? West has been filing. This is all legal mojo and if there is an appeal it does mean something. That is if it even gets that far.

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  25. jordan2222 says:

    I think the judge is sensitive and was angered/insulted by both motions. They certainly imply that she made mistakes . .She might even think they meant she was incompetent.

    Maybe that is why the denial is so brief and why she canceled the next hearing and did not tell her.

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    • jello333 says:

      Then for that reason, and others, this woman should NOT be a judge. I don’t mean just on this case… she should be removed from the bench, disbarred, fined… whatever. She’s an absolute disgrace, and I hope that other judges around the country are watching this and are even more disgusted than we are.

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    • canadacan says:

      Well it looks like we’re going to shine a beam of light on her incompetency.
      I have been a doubting Thomas at different points but right now Sundance you are an impressive person to me. I admire guts and I know it’s like to fight things alone. gentlemen and ladies start your engines

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  26. ed greene says:

    Hi
    I thought this was the USA not Cuba, Venezula, Russia or China.
    Anybody with an iq over 50 knows Crump, Sybrana, Tracy and Dee Dee were llying.
    Anybody knows that Corey, BDLR and Nelson know there is no case.
    This is eventually a bigger stink than the Nixon resignation.
    Sooner or later 60 minutes, 48hrs, 20 20 , cnn or fox is going to go
    after the corruption in this case. I am sure in this miscarriage of justice
    not only Nelson, BDLR, ansdCorey will go down but could be Bondi and Scott.
    State of Florida you got to know when to hold them or fold them.
    Now is the time to fold them. There is no evidence to charge GZ, and you know all your
    witness and prosecution team are liars or breaking law.
    Remember there is a lot more in those MOM depositions that we the
    public dont know. The way RZ has been tweeting, I am sorry George has
    told him detais about other lies, could be phone records
    The SS trayvontanic is sinking.
    Judge Nelson it is time to the right thing. abandon ship and drop all charges.

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  27. againstthewall says:

    From my understanding the newer motions pushed the hearing but this issue was nothing new. The inital ruling was correct because MOM & West motion was not deliberate in what they sought. It was viewed as fishing. Afterwords I personally would have placed due process issues inside the reconsideration motion. There was no case law cited and there could have been much cited on the defenses behalf in due process which could be a form of appeal just on that issue. I feel the schedule is concerning MOM, and it should not be considering the State withheld discovery. I think now we may see a more aggressive approach on the defensives behalf.
    But, nothing in the defenses last reconsideration motion should have stopped a depo. Crump could have asserted many rights upon questioning. The decsion is odd, but it does not stop Crump at all from being questioned. He was hired for a possible suit the family is sitting on civily even prior to an arrest. Just because someone has a right to be represented does not mean the lawyer who is knowledgeable of committed crimes is exempt from reporting. If this was the case then Crump can not even represent during a civil trial! So therefore he should leave tne case all together.

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  28. Remember the first OJ trial? I can tell you without a doubt it was won by the ‘Dream Team’ in voir dire. Literally millions of dollars and a ton of research was done by the defense team concerning voting patterns and the like for the likely jury pool.

    Don’t think for a minute that won’t happen again. The Scheme Team is simply not going to allow anyone on the jury who is a CHL holder or believes in the SYG laws or for that matter believes in the second amendment. Hell, MOM fits that category. Justice is being turned upon it’s head.

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  29. I don’t think I have ever posted on here before, but I do read the posts sometimes. I have read through this post and all comments. I don’t live in Florida, but from my observations, Rep. Maxine Waters is controlling this whole thing. Even to the point of being why Corey filed charges. I’m saying this because I don’t know the strength of her power, but you need to contact someone above her to get a response. There is probably a connection between her and the judge as well.

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