George Zimmerman Case – O’Mara Asks Court To Sanction Prosecution for Misleading Court (Willful Blindness)

Today in the State of Florida VS. George Zimmerman case (Trayvon Martin shooting) the defense counsel Mark O’Mara has provided the court with a motion to Sanction the Prosecutorial Team [The State of Florida].   pdf available here

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Specifically O’Mara is outlining to the court how Witness #8, “DeeDee”, Trayvon’s reported girlfriend, had lied in her sworn statements and how the State of Florida, Bernie De La Rionda, had known about her lies since August 2nd 2012, and yet never divulged that factual knowledge to the court or defense team in discovery.

Motion for Sanctions 1

O’Mara is asking for punitive sanctions, fines and legal reimbursement, against the State of Florida for their complicit and intentional hiding of pertinent discovery.

The motion cites the specific examples of how the lies were created, why the lies were told, and how the State of Florida was told about the lying by the witness herself.

Motion for Sanctions 2

Specifically that Witness #8 has shared under deposition by the defense, she felt pressured to lie because the mother of Trayvon Martin, Sybrina Fulton was present during her intitial interview by Benjamin Crump, on March 19th 2012, with ABC news and again on April 2nd during her sworn affidavit with the State of Florida because Sybrina Fulton was seated next to her when interviewed by prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda.

Witness #8 “Dee Dee” lied about being in the hospital during the viewing and funeral of Trayvon Martin – then told the State of Florida on August 2nd that she lied.

Witness #8 “Dee Dee” also lied on March 19th about her age, a claim that was continued by Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump who proclaimed she was 16-years-old, and by the State of Florida who affirmed she was a minor – yet both Crump and the State of Florida discovered early on she was 18 years old, and is now 19.

Motion for Sanctions 3

Motion for Sanctions 4

However, the reasoning for the lies surrounding her age are not disclosed in the motion.


The Orlando Sentinel Writes George Zimmerman‘s attorneys on Monday formally accused prosecutors of being unethical, saying that for seven months, they hid a pair of lies by their most important witness, and that they should be punished for it.

The allegations, spelled out in a new court pleading, mark a new low in the case.

Defense attorneys Mark O’Mara and Don West have complained for months about Assistant State Attorneys Bernie de la Rionda and John Guy, saying they have refused repeated requests to turn over key pieces of evidence. This time, they’ve asked Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson to fine and admonish them.

Prosecutors are required to release in a timely fashion information to a suspect if it might help prove his innocence. In this case, according to paperwork filed by O’Mara, de la Rionda and Guy have flouted that rule.

For seven months, they knew that the state’s most important witness, a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin just moments before he was shot, had lied about going to a hospital a few days later, according to the new paperwork.

De la Rionda learned the truth during an August 2 interview with her, O’Mara wrote, but although defense attorneys had asked de la Rionda and Guy’s office for months about that fact and for records to support her claim, they did not disclose it until March 4.

They also hid for six months that she had lied when she claimed to be 16, something she told Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon’s family, in a recorded interview March 19, 2012.

She was 18 at the time and is 19 now.

Zimmerman, 29, is the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon, an unarmed black 17-year-old, Feb. 26 in Sanford.

The defendant says he acted in self-defense.

In the new paperwork, defense attorneys also complained that de la Rionda and Guy mislead the judge and them at an Oct. 26 hearing when they claimed they had turned over all reports generated by the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Two weeks later, they surrendered 45 more, according to the pleading.

Those things were That was unethical and cost defense attorneys an enormous amount of time, as they tried to track down the truth, O’Mara wrote.

He asked the judge to order prosecutors to pay for all the hours defense attorneys have spent trying to prove what they should have disclosed. O’Mara did not offer that dollar figure but said he’d have it ready for an April 2 hearing.

De la Rionda’s and Guy’s office did not have an immediate response Monday evening.

They work for Angela Corey, the elected state attorney in Jacksonville and the special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott.

The paperwork also reveals that the young Miami woman was sitting next to Trayvon Martin’s mother when she was interviewed by Crump March 19 and by de la Rionda April 2.

That’s the reason she lied about going to the hospital and missing Trayvon’s wake and funeral, according to the pleading.

The fact that Trayvon’s mother was sitting next to her, possibly influencing her during that sworn statement April 2 with de la Rionda “places the legitimacy and veracity of the entire statement at issue,” O’Mara wrote.  (read more)

Perjure we much

It should be noted by interested followers that the last several motions written to the court have been penned and filed by Mark O’Mara specifically – and NOT co-counsel Don West.  People may want to look for the date surrounding the last time Don West made any influential visible filings, commentary, or presentations in the case – and what the circumstances were surrounding that timeframe. 

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225 Responses to George Zimmerman Case – O’Mara Asks Court To Sanction Prosecution for Misleading Court (Willful Blindness)

  1. creepytwins says:

    I’ve been in trouble with the law (when I was younger) a couple of times. The police separated me from my friends before asking questions. It’s Police 101 kind of stuff. Why on earth would Sabrina be in the same room during the interview with Dee Dee? It’s sloppy at best. BDLR should look for a different line of work because he simply doesn’t understand basic protocol. Heck, he shouldn’t have conducted the interview in the first place.

    • canadacan says:

      Where in the world is Don west

      • sundance says:

        DW is doing the reverse Tara.

        • jordan2222 says:

          If you are saying that there is a “rift” between MOM and West, do you have anything else specifically you can share with all of us besides your comments below? Yes, I have noticed MOM’s signature on the latest motions but how do we know that MOM wrote them and not Don? Does the attorney who “penned” a motion always sign it?

          This has left me wondering if West might leave case.

          It should be noted by interested followers that the last several motions written to the court have been penned and filed by Mark O’Mara specifically – and NOT co-counsel Don West. People may want to look for the date surrounding the last time Don West made any influential visible filings, commentary, or presentations in the case – and what the circumstances were surrounding that timeframe.

          • ytz4mee says:

            Why don’t you call them up and ask? Reputedly, you’re on good terms with the Defense counsel team. Love to hear what you report back.

            • jordan2222 says:

              Why would you make such a post? I asked SD for a clarification of what he said. Is there something wrong with that? If so, please say what it is but I surely did not mean to stir you up.

              I also do not know what this means?

              Reputedly, you’re on good terms with the Defense counsel team.

              I have sent emails to them and SD knows about a couple of them. He seemed uninterested in seeing more of them but he said nothing about that being wrong. Is it? I have also encouraged others to do the same thing.

              • sundance says:

                Rather than asking me, just ask them. Find what you seek to know,…. that way you do not turn your angst about the information you discover against the messenger who provides it.

                Quite frankly I’m no longer letting myself be the whipping post for those who are upset about the truth of things.

                Rail against those who deserve to be railed against,…. those who decieve. Don’t beat the little dog who pulls back the curtain on the decievers. ((think Toto))

        • auscitizenmom says:

          Okay, for those of us who are a little slower on the uptake, I thought Tara decided to leave, does that mean West is staying???????????

    • John VI says:

      Prosecutors rarely do the interviews themselves. The only reason to do so would be to prevent known damaging information falling into police hands, and thus, files, since those are automatically turned over to the defense.

      Also, by conducting the interview, the prosecution makes itself a possible witness, and thus, deposable and subject to questioning, under oath.

      Fun times

    • jello333 says:

      What’s this about Dee Dee sitting next to Sybrina not only at the Bernie interview, but also at the Crump interview? I thought Sybrina was supposedly one of the several people with Crump on that day…. and he was on the PHONE with Dee Dee. What’s going on?

      • boricuafudd says:

        I’m confused about that, too. I don’t know if DD is said that she lied because Sybrina was in the room listening, then she was sitting next to her during BDLR. It all fishy,

      • jordan2222 says:

        Yeah.. what a shocker.. NOT. We are finding out now just how much she was involved from the start. Pretty amazing that she sat next to DeeDee during the BLDR interview and Bernie kept that secret. Holy crap. .what a ruse. Very little was revealed about what happened in the depo. I had thought they would be required to include a partial transcript or audio of what she said in the motion.

        I wanted to at least see how it was translated.

        • justfactsplz says:

          Bernie didn’t handle the interview professionally. When my daughter and I were deposed we were video taped and were deposed seperately. Same thing at the trial. Neither one of us were allowed in the court room except for when we were on the stand and then the other one was not allowed in the courtroom. We were both allowed together in the courtroom for closing arguments and the verdict. That is the way it should be.

        • jello333 says:

          “I wanted to at least see how it was translated.” ;)

    • John Galt says:

      Bernie seems to understand the protocol associated with secret meetings with sleazy witnesses.

      Quoted from brief linked below:

      The records requested in this motion were the following:
      (1) Records of the state’s conferences with lead witness, Anthony Smith.
      Smith alleged in post-conviction proceedings that the state coerced him into testifying in Murray’s fourth trial. Prior to Murray’s fourth trial, Smith informed the state that he would not testify against Murray again. The state proposed a sentence reduction for Smith upon conclusion of his testimony to remedy Smith’s stage fright. In Smith’s post-conviction proceedings, the state acknowledged secret meetings with Smith occurred,
      [FN 3] yet no records of such have ever been tendered to the defense for Murray.

      FN 3 In attendance at these meetings with Smith were assistant state attorney Bernie
      De la Rionda, Officer Farhat, and state attorney investigator Welch.

  2. RockyMtnMama says:

    OK, IANAL, but I don’t understand how/why BDLR didn’t know this was going to come back and bite him in the a$$.

    • lovemygirl says:

      I have no idea, he should have had the police handle it. Either he really is stupid or felt he was protected.

      • auscitizenmom says:

        BHI arrogance!

      • jello333 says:

        No. He knew that if this was handled in the traditional way, Dee Dee would immediately implode (and uncover Crump’s scheme), and there would be no case. They NEEDED it to be done this way. But the one thing they didn’t count on was George refusing to play the game… refusing to take a plea. HAD he taken a plea, that would have meant very little further digging into Dee Dee, Crump, etc.

    • sundance says:

      All they wanted was an arress….. all we need is an arress.

      Clear things up for ya?

      • lovemygirl says:

        Why can’t people understand he was arrested? I finally got a few semi intelligent ones to get that fact. He was not charged because there was no evidence to hold him. I doubt my father would talk to you this many years later but he had a few JJ stories and he won.

      • canadacan says:

        Single minded obsessed Can’t see the forest for the trees

    • John Galt says:

      I expect that Nelson’s got BDLR’s back:

      BDLR is opposing counsel. Any information that BDLR gained from the unrecorded August oral statement of W8 is absolutely privileged as work product.

      Far fetched? Unfortunately not. See page 3 for the law according to Nelson:

      • jordan2222 says:

        Is this the same link you posted over at Random Topics?

      • sundance says:

        THAT accurately reflects the prosecutorial position. Well said.

        According to the prosecution they have no responsibility to divulge lies they discover…. The defense must discover it for themselves.

        • jordan2222 says:

          According to the prosecution they have no responsibility to divulge lies they discover…. The defense must discover it for themselves.

          Now you have me wondering. I am guessing you are being sarcastic, right?

          • sundance says:

            Not sarcastic at all. THAT is their position. John Galt hit the nail on the head.

            Haven’t you seen the bazillion comments by the Scheme Team and their supporters that Mark O’Mara and Don West need to do their own investigation and quit expecting the prosecution to provide all the factual discovery.

            • jordan2222 says:

              My bad for “mis/wording the question. The question should have been: Is that really the law? Yes, I know the answer and it was more rhetorical than serious.

              Having med issues tonight and it shows in the way I have worded some of my posts but I still wanted to be active in the current discussion and not miss anything.

              One of my posts above has been misunderstood and I will later send you an email when I am thinking properly regarding the “apparent controversy” about MOM.. your position as opposed to what others have said. I have remained on the sidelines lately.

          • boricuafudd says:

            I believe it the October 29th hearing when BDLR, told the Judge that defense wanted the prosecution for them. That they must conduct their own investigation. This is specially rich to tell the Defense to conduct their own investigation when the Prosecution was hiding the facts.

            • sundance says:

              Skip the AMEN and go right to the Hallelujah… BINGO !! Give this guy a fish :D :D

              Damn bori, we’re gonna have to put you on the payroll – THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT.

              Yet, did you notice the specific absence of that part from the “motion”. !!! Underline it. Make it bold… say it loudly.

              • boricuafudd says:

                It is strange that it was omitted, but considering that the Judge was a potted palm, when BDLR was flapping his arms as he said, maybe they decided to save ink, and not offend the potted palm.

              • jello333 says:

                I’m not certain how a Richardson hearing works. It’s formal, and has to be explicitly requested (by the Defense) or ordered (by the Judge) in a formal motion, right? What I’m getting at is, a Richardson hearing can NOT just be conducted within another already-scheduled hearing (like the one coming up), can it? You’d think not, because there’d be no idea how long it was gonna run, and so it could be a mess for scheduling.

              • jordan2222 says:


      • jello333 says:

        That was then. I think some things may have changed with Sgt. Schu…. I mean Judge Nelson.

        • John Galt says:

          I hope that you are correct. If Nelson has not changed, then this will be just another opportunity for her to further embarrass herself before a pretty limited audience that actually knows the law. Unfortunately, most people would never know the difference.

  3. Chip Bennett says:

    *Waves* Hi, Bernie!

    Are you enjoying your early Christmas present from O’Mara Claus?

  4. buck says:

    I love it

  5. James F says:

    BDLR’s actions can only be attributed to deliberate malfeasance or gross incompetence. Either way he has proven himself unfit and she should be fired immediately.

  6. Angela says:

    Law Enforcement 101.

    You separate the witnesses and many times even have different interviewers (in these scheduled arranged interviews in criminal cases).

    Something is very wrong here.

    The Lead Detective has said he was pressured to bring charges.

    The Police Chief has said Zimmerman’s story fits the evidence at the scene.

    Obama calls Trayvon his Son, and the FBI and DOJ rushes to town to dig up everything Zimmerman has done in his entire life.

    The Mayor and City Manager go to Washington D.C. and meet with people in the highest levels of Government in the country.

    Police Chief is forced out – Lead Detective is bumped to a beat cop working the mid-night shift.

    The Star Witness and another State’s witness are interviewed together and allowed to listen and observe the other’s story.

    An officer of the court and of the State hides the age of the little girlfriend to match the News Media’s stories.

    The State joins with a sleazy race hustler to preserve the false media narrative with practiced artifice, and hide the fact the little girlfriend is lying through her teeth under oath.

    This is so far off from a normal investigation and prosecution that it’s not even funny.

    Something is rotten in Denmark, and Florida.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Limburger cheese kind of “STANK”.

    • ottawa925 says:

      nice job, Angela. I’m sure there is more, and more that we are not privy to at the moment. But you gotta nice first draft there. We should just keep what you have and keep adding. See how much we can come up with as things move along.

      • myopiafree says:

        Hi Ottawa – It looks like the lying DeeDee is a defense “gift” that just keeps on giving, giving and giving. Now bring in Crump, and compare his testimony (under oath) with DeeDee’s statements.

    • jordan2222 says:

      Nice little summary there.

    • Lou says:

      dead on Angela.

    • jello333 says:

      Yep. And that’s just a small part. Yeah, earlier today someone was suggesting that Duke LaCross was bigger than this case. NOT even close! That one didn’t reach nearly as deep with as many tentacles and potential for long-term repercussions as this one.

  7. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    And then there was Cutcher and Selma and their claims on tv with the martins and crump and julison…AFTER crump had spoken to them.

    • jello333 says:

      There are very few prosecution witnesses that have anything even remotely harmful to George’s case. But of them, I can’t think of ONE that isn’t tainted in some way. Is there?… any of them?

  8. Burnt Toast says:

    Another blog that has been tracking this (and feeds back to The Treehouse)

    23 updates on the case.
    Just skimmed it, gives MOM some credit for being low key (as I put it). Rather damming on the prosecution.

  9. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    daily stupid, what really happened says a poster on jftm:
    Dede Classynevatrashy Saldona Please just keep in mind that we as black people or shown every day with post and comments like this that racism is still very much alive….Trayvon Martin was murdered by a racist Mexican who felt that because of his background he was white, they only claimed Mexican to attempt to defend the murder and gain sympathy. These two teens have nothing in common other then being black…It’s horrible what happened to this child in this case however, again all the racist comments shows that racism is very much alive , please people don’t be fooled, I read one comment on another site that said we black people or killers just listen to the rap music because we rap/sing about it…..yet, white people go in schools, movie theaters and lubys and kill! kill! kill! all in sight but we as blacks or killers they say…..ha!
    3 hours ago · 5

    • auscitizenmom says:

      Well………uh…………uh………I can’t even wrap my mind around all that nonsense. I’m just flabbergasted.

    • Rob Crawford says:

      “Racism…. racism…. racism… racism… racism…”

      How wonderful it must be to never have to accept responsibility for yourself.

    • John Galt says:

      How many blacks will MOM want on the jury to prove that he’s not racist?

    • sundance says:

      This comment while appearing ridiculous is a classic and succint representation of the vast majority of people who have only moderate knowledge of this case.

      It shows how effective the Julison/BGI campaign was and is; in addition it is supported by a massive number of people afraid to confront the BGI because of PC indoctrination and fear of being called a racist (the white-guilt crowd)….

      Thinking this is only a minority view is exactly what allows it to continue. No, there are massive numbers of people who view this case exactly as that person outlines.

      Hence, at a deeper level people can become aware that “politics are downstream from popular culture”…

  10. ottawa925 says:

    They should have asked the Judge to Sanction herself too as an direct enabler to this conduct.

    Didn’t poster Journey2Justice post here at the Treehouse at one point? Regardless. Apparently, JJ is just giddy over a piece written at dothprotest regarding the middle finger and Tweet handle of Trayvon. Wow, the brillance of that piece is blinding !!! to those that actually believe that trash. Rebutting “setting the record straight”, let me set the record straight for you. No one, and I mean no one here believes anyone should be shot cause they give the finger in photos, or because they have an N word in their handle on Twitter. The discussion here in THAT vein was always to crush the narative put out by the scheme team that Trayvon was an innocent little boy. It took me one paragraph to rebutt your entire BS article. You treat your readers like mushrooms. You feed them chit and keep em in the dark.

    on more BS article just for fun. The Serino article by Make Each Day Count.

    I love the way MEDC begins his/her narrative with the many drafts of the charge by Serino. But MEDC starts this narrative at the end … not the beginning. What he forgot to tell his readers about is how Serino sat at daily meetings for weeks on end and NEVER said a word when all the other officers agreed there was nothing to charge Zimmerman with. Nothing. That everything they had supported what Zimmerman told them. He sat like that “potted palm” day after day, week after week. Not a peep. MEDC, Serino will have to account for the big turn around, a turn around that surprised ALL of his fellow officers. Somebody from scheme team get to him? or someone higher up on the force? hmmmm? When you tell a story, MEDC, start from the beginning. George NEVER changed his story told to Serino in initial interviews. Went through the walkthrough with the same story. Passed a voice stress test. We will see during trial how good an investigative job Serino did on Trayvon … won’t we.

    • woohoowee says:

      “They should have asked the Judge to Sanction herself too as an direct enabler to this conduct.” (ottowa)

      Yep. Lester, too.

    • Sharon says:

      I have no idea what the point of the comment is, which part of it is quotes from someone else (assisting them with distribution of their accusations) and which parts is perhaps analysis by the commenter….makes no sense. Quotes and hard returns are your friend. (ADD: and ours! ;) so that we follow the point of what you’re sharing)

  11. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    This court filing rebuts the pessimistic presumptions of SDC’s earlier thread. GZ were not just comfortably oblivious to the BGI, they were a part of the BGI. This case has resulted in a loss of innocence, comparable to loosing ones’ virginity in the worst way imaginable. GZ and MoM have been bent over MoM’s Harley and forced to squeal like piggies until they heard dueling violins in their heads. They will never be so naive again. MoM has joined West in a campaign of retribution. GZ is seeking justice as well as I suspect that MoM will never represent any of Obama’s bastard sons again, although he might represent the legitimate sons.

    • sundance says:

      ….”This court filing rebuts the pessimistic presumptions of SDC’s earlier thread”…

      Um, no, exactly the opposite.

      However, what are the “pessimistic presumptions” of which you speak?

      • Knuckledraggingwino says:

        Up until recently, MoM has conducted himself under the rules of genteel, lawyerly etiquette. He has played the game in the traditional way, filing motions with the expectation that BDLR was essentially honest and was careful to not be offensive to his peers in the Sanford criminal justice community or the BGI. MoM has been a criminal defense attorney who served an overwhelmingly Black clientele which made him part of the BGI. MoM was obviously expecting to remain part of the Sanford judicial social club and the BGI after the GZ case. This filing accusing the Prosecution of unethical, dishonest behavior crosses the line. MoM can’t expect to remain part of the club after filing this. He has crossed the Rubicon and burned his bridges. The only path available for MoM is forward. On to acquital of GZ. On to the defamation suits. On to the exposure prosecution’s complicity in the Crump charade. After this case, MoM cannot continue to function as an enabler of the Sanford chapter of the BGI criminal cadre. They wouldn’t trust him even if he was willing to represent them.

    • ytz4mee says:

      Classic. transference.

  12. 22tula says:

    DeeDee was interviewed on March 19, 2012? That’s 22 days after the fact. 22 days to get the details of that night to write a script for DeeDee the DotCon.
    March 20, 2012 – “This young lady connects the dots” – Benjamin Crump @ 10:00

    Video source from this site.

  13. The sound quality here makes my audio-tuned brain think it was recorded with a cellphone. With no add-on mic, just the little mic at the bottom of the phone.

    I mean really. The feedback. The high-end bias.

    They never heard of Blue Mics? And yet these amateurs continue to fool eveyone.

    What? They named the Sony whateverTFitscalled in their whateverTF document? Oh.

    Pics or it didn’t happen. I hear cellphone mic.

    • lovemygirl says:

      Sorry to go OT again but if you have the experience, I’m trying to put together a rack for an outdoor theater. Basically, a movie setup in a box, have most of the equipment. If not you where do I go to have a box built?

  14. woohoowee says:

    Angela Corey’s April 11, 2012 presser (transcript):

    She states that the USSC Has “clearly defined A prosecutor’s role” as “minister of justice” and seekers of truth. They are also obligated to uphold the U.S. Constitution and the Florida Constitution and statutes.

    Must have had her fingers crossed behind her back when she said that?!

    She also thanked Crump and Parks for daily assistance with the family.

    Serino and Crump have lawyered up….who’s next?

    • ytz4mee says:

      The fact that that wench is allowed to go on wantonly frittering away my hard earned money as a Florida citizen and taxpayer on her own feel-good campaign really pisses me off.

  15. eastern2western says:

    Now we learned that fulton was next to dd while de la rionda was doing the interview. I guess my whole concept of crump waving cue cards in front of dd is not really far fetch at all.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      LMBO Dont you know that Sybrina’s Depo was kinda a fun one for Def after what they found out from DD? Bet she sweated that chest tattoo off~

  16. akathesob says:

    Such a complete mess this case has become.

  17. justfactsplz says:

    The Feb. 22, 2013 hearing West was really pushing to get to the bottom of the Dee Dee thing. Looks like he has been very busy.

  18. John McLachlan says:

    Could the judge rule that the interview of the state’s principal witness was conducted in a manner which was prejudicial to obtaining truthful testimony and that witness has already admitted deliberately lying in that interview, that the witness’s testimony included errors of fact which strongly suggested contamination or deliberate coaching, that consequently the affidavit for probable cause for arrest was tainted and that therefore, the case against the defendant must be dismissed?

    • ytz4mee says:

      The Judge could have done a number of things that would have kept the State honest.
      She choose to play Sgt Schulze while playing footsie with the CRS.
      So good luck with that.

    • boricuafudd says:

      I believe they would give the prosecution the chance to refile, but it is Judge Nelson.

    • John McLachlan says:

      My reason for suggesting this as a possibility is that by exagerating the damage to the prosecution case by these revelations about the state’s principal witness, the state could abandon the prosecution, with the ready excuse that their case had been wrecked by the loss of credibility of their principal witness.

      The pressure groups which forced the prosecution in the first place should be able to understand that a prosecution case is severely damaged by such revelations about the principal prosecctuion witness.

      The abandonment of the case would result in possible revelations about the corruption surrounding the close links between the state officials and certain pressure groups, who exploit cases such as this to remain unexamined.

      If the case proceeds to trial, there exists the possibility that unwelcome attention is drawn to the systematic corruptive effect that such pressure groups exert upon the state and the financial burden which it places upon taxpayers.

      Also, this case illustrates that effectively, a private citizen was prosecuted by the state, with all of its resources, when there was no genuine evidence of his commiting any crime, purely because a pressure group was able to influence state officials by overt threats of civil disturbance and that the ultimate motive was financial.

      The CRS, the BGI would probably not wish these to be exposed any more than they already are. The Governor of Florida and other high ranking officers of the state may well prefer that their actions receive minimum publicity also.

      Abandoning this particular prosecution may deprive some people of their anticipated payout, but there will always be another and another, so long as the entire system is not exposed and then dismantled.

      I believe that the beneficiaries of the lucratively corrupt system which currently exists would possibly prefer to preserve it, rather than risk exposing it further and that the revelations about W8 could provide a face saving way for them to do so.

    • jello333 says:

      Not sure about the PCA, but as for Dee Dee herself… yeah, I think any and everything to do with her could quite easily be ruled inadmissible, for the reasons you state. But I’m not sure MOM and West yet WANT it thrown out. To paraphrase Alice, they have other uses for Dee Dee.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      I have an off topic question for you. I noticed a comment by you on a thread about George’s 911 call. The discussion was about whether or not George was heard to say that he “left his keys in the ignition” of his truck. Do you still believe that is what he said?

      • boricuafudd says:

        Don’t quite recall that, but what I was referring to was talk on another site, that GZ had left his keys on the car, because of the beeping sounds, but he had his keys on him when he left the truck, and the sound was of the headlights on warning.

        Is that what you are referring to?

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Yes. Its in on the txantimedia thread. You seemed fairly certain that this was what GZ was saying while the NEN operator talked over him. The phrase is barely audible in the recording, and I had/have doubts whether that was what he actually said.

  19. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    is the next hearing on the 2nd or the 5th? the elkins kids next hearing is the 5th. i wonder if the news will use it to overshadow georges hearing, or vice versa….or ignore both?
    and fyi the younger kids family is saying hes a victim who happened on elkins and elkins was going to kill him because he thought he was mexican.

  20. ytz4mee says:

    For those that “still don’t get it”, Rene’s most recent article neatly encapsulates one of the issues I have with MOM, and have since day one.

    Anyone who is a paid advocate for a client has an ethical obligation to do everything possible to defend that client’s interests and reputation. Everything.

    So, a year later, after one of the most outrageous media malpractice campaigns ever, what do we have?

    For seven months, they knew that the state’s most important witness, a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin just moments before he was shot, had lied about going to a hospital a few days later, according to the new paperwork.


    We do NOT “know” if the young Miami woman was “on the phone”. To paraphrase Crump, with a hat tip to WaltherPPK, no “objectif ebidense” has EVER been released to support the contention that the DeeDee was “on the phone” with Trayvon…. “just moments before he was shot”. In fact, there is a lot that lends credence to the supposition that the entire “phone call” scenario is complete fiction. Everyone “assumes” that the DeeDee was on the phone. Why? Because Crump said she was? Seriously, people, after all you have seen about this case?

    A professional advocate, who was doing their job would have pushed back early and often about the media malpractice inherent in Rene’s article, and been on the phone demanding it.

    FYI, here’s the re-write that should have been demanded – and that the media would have known that they had to phrase – if the advocacy had been full-throated from day one:

    For seven months, they knew that the state’s most important witness, a young Miami woman who was allegedly on the phone with Trayvon Martin just moments before he was shot, had lied about going to a hospital a few days later, according to the new paperwork.

    See the difference? It is important.

    • boricuafudd says:

      Such a subtle change, but it speaks to this case. Considering the source and how reliable they have been. It’s been one “misrepresentation” after another. Until sometime concrete from a source independent of the Scheme Team provides it, allegedly is the least of how I would describe it.

    • jello333 says:

      Awhile back, Nettle and I (and maybe others) contacted Rene and pointed that kind of stuff out to her. And for her next couple stories, she used “alleged” in the right places. But now looks like she’s basksliding a bit. “Old habits”, I guess…

    • Chip Bennett says:

      I think it is incredibly likely that the defense has the forensic data (ping logs for both phones), but that such data have simply not been publicly released.

      It is obvious that O’Mara doesn’t empty his magazine with any one motion: one trigger squeeze, one round, and wait for the reset before releasing and squeezing again – slow, steady, and meticulous.

      The State’s discovery violations regarding Witness 8’s age and hospital lies are low-hanging fruit. How Nelson handles that motion will be instructive for the defense in determining what to do with any phone forensic data.

      And in the meantime: the defense doesn’t need to correct every single little thing said in every media outlet.

  21. ottawa925 says:

    ^ Links to a fake White Supremist site. Doesn’t this cross the line? I think so. Need to have Twitter take the Pound down.

    then for some reason they need screen shot of this … not sure why

    • Lou says:

      these Trayvon defenders have to be the dumbest people I’ve ever encountered on the internet. sorry I sould like them calling names.
      GZ’s parents are dead on correct in their post.

  22. Lynn says:

    I have spent many years in legal as an assistant and have never felt so strongly about a case as I have this one. I knew from the very beginning this was a huge farce and can’t thank you all enough for exposing the “real truth.” George and Shellie, you are constantly in my prayers and hopefully soon this will all be over for you.

  23. arkansasmimi says:

    Catching up on almost a better part of a week. Hope all are doing good. Been sick, now have family in town. Had to stop by and catch up~ Big Hugs and Waves~~~~~

  24. lovemygirl says:

    RZ Jr is in rare form tonight on Twitter.

    • jello333 says:

      I rarely use Twitter, but yesterday I posted several comments in his (and George’s) defense. It was kinda fun, and he even “retweeted” one of mine (a first for me).

    • Angel says:

      “RZ Jr is in rare form tonight on Twitter.”

      He was and I jokingly told him that too.I think he is just at the point, from his tweets, “you can call me racist all day long but I am going to say what I believe to be true.”

      Gotta respect that courage.

  25. justfactsplz says:

    If Dee Dee and Trayvon really had that conversation we would have seen the proof of it by now. They can’t prove it because it didn’t happen. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    • Lou says:

      It still hasn’t been established that the phone call even took place. I think it was Tracy’s phone bill , and Tracy was on the phone with someone that had a daughter that was 19 or Trayvon was on the phone with her, but she provoked him to swing on GZ, and that’s why she fuilt guilt. she didn’t go to the wake because she felt guilty she was the one who provoked him, or she didn’t know him.

      • justfactsplz says:

        I believe they have two phones talking during that time but it wasn’t Trayvon and Dee Dee. If Trayvon’s phone was left in Miami as punishment some gal might have called it during that time not knowing. There you go, it would be on his phone bill. That is another reason the ping logs are crucial for the defense. I am hanging with you Walther PPK.

      • jordan2222 says:

        This is seriously ridiculous that after all of this time that we still do not have proof is she was on the phone with him during those few minutes before the shooting.

        Yet it was not in the motion so does the defense know is keeping it from the public? Why do that?

        Then again maybe they intend to ask for sanctions in additional but later motions and this was only a “test” motion to see how Nelson responds.

        • justfactsplz says:

          The defense is not going to tell the public everything they know. Think about it Jordan, some things they are waiting for the right time to spring it on them.

    • sundance says:

      You and Ytz4Me are of the same thought on this….. I’m in your camp. If DeeDee was indeed on the phone with GZ *as described* it (the proof) would have been released early and repeated often….. I go back to what Gilbreath said in the first bond hearing.

      Do we know who punched who first? NO.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Exactly. Gilbreath had no proof yet Dee Dee claims Trayvon was pushed or bumped because she “heard” it. Right.

        • ottawa925 says:

          Well if you can demonstrate in Court to the Jury that someone could tell who bumped who by HEARING it, I wanna see that. No, what she heard was Trayvon swing on George …. THAT’s what she heard. Unless that phone has skype, you can’t HEAR who bumps who. it’s so ridiculous … I can’t even discuss it. It won’t be hard to discredit that testimony.

          • justfactsplz says:

            Another thing. If Trayvon was on the phone George would have recalled that important detail. He told of detail, the button on the shirt, the hands in his pants, so he would have said he was on a phone if he saw him on a phone.

            • ottawa925 says:

              Exactly. Not once did he mention. However, let me play devils advocate on this one. George did see more closely when he was in the car, but he might have missed the earplugs which Trayvon was known to string through his hoodie up to his ears. They could have been hidden. But I will turn on that argument and say, if that was the case, how did the plug/plugs with line found on the ground. Not sure if that can be seen in the 7/11 video or not. I have worn plugs that were under a sweatshirt and hood. When the line came loose from my media, the plugs were still in my ears and the line still firm against my chest held there by the sweatshirt. His hoodie may have been more loose, allowing the plugs to fall through and to the ground. However, the point you make that GZ never mentioned the ears plugs or phone is one to consider. We need a real good close up of that 7/11 video shot of him and see if we can see the plugs and/or wire.

              • justfactsplz says:

                Wasn’t the earphones found in Trayvon’s pocket instead of on the ground?

                • ottawa925 says:

                  not sure now. On ground and then they put them in his pocket? or in his pocket. If in his pocket, how did they get there?

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    I am sure they were found in tucked in his pocket along with the button from his shirt. It was discussed here before that Trayvon neatly put those things safely away in preparation for attacking George. Makes sense.

                  • ottawa925 says:

                    So if he neatly put them away to prepare for this fight … playing the devil again … how did she hear the phone go to the ground … I think she said that … right? I just wish we had MORE info to chew on.

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    There are so many holes in the whole DeeDee narrative. Common sense tells us there is something afoot with her. Her story doesn’t even sound plausable. Who hears grass? It was dark and rainy. How could Trayvon tell that George was an old white dude?

                  • jello333 says:

                    One of the funniest parts of the Bernie’s Dee Dee interview was when she tried to imitate what she claimed to be George’s voice. She changed her own voice, to make it sound low and gravely, “What you doin’ round here?” Hearing that, and knowing what George ACTUALLY sounds like, well yeah… pretty hilarious.

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    I thought that was funny too. Everything at that point in the narrative was what Crump put together after hearing the 911 tapes. George was 250 pounds, white, and Jewish. That was good enough for Crump’s purposes. Dee Dee was his icing on his cake.

                  • ytz4mee says:

                    I always found it strange that Trashcan Momma really didn’t want to discuss the button, and deflects away from it very quickly whenever it is brought up.

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    I have noticed that too. Makes you wonder. I believe she mentioned that other family members wore one also. Stephen?

                  • jello333 says:

                    Oh my. Check out my comment… I implied the same thing I think you’re implying. ;)

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    Wow, Jello. That is cool.

                  • jello333 says:

                    Wow. You know what just flashed through my mind? There’s been a little talk here about the possibility that the person who George first saw, and the one who attacked him were not the same. I never gave it much credence. One of the big reasons I didn’t think much of it was the description of the button. We see it in 7-11. George mentions it. Trayvon had one when he died. But what you said about Sybrina, and how she didn’t seem to wanna talk about the button?… hmm…. Maybe someone else (Stephen?) wore a matching button? Nah, now we’re getting into crazy land, or…. ???

              • jello333 says:

                I think we’re gonna need Trent and LMPapa to do a reenactment for us, just to be certain.

                • ottawa925 says:

                  ew that would be a sight .. wouldn’t it? (shudders) At LEAST Trent puts his self out there. Papa hides like a coward not to be confronted about the videos he makes. At least he’s off the serious classical music. Don’t get me wrong … I love classical music, I just found his use of it … dare i say again … overly dramatic.

        • lovemygirl says:

          If she heard anything it was GZ getting sucker punched. How is it only GZ showed wounds if he ever did anything to start the physical fight? I can’t figure these people out, one person shows more than a dozen wounds, the other none, and they still are so brain dead they cannot figure out who threw the first and only blows that night. It doesn’t take a “rocket scientist” to figure out.

          • justfactsplz says:

            These people don’t care about facts. They only care about their cause. Truth does not matter, only the cause.

            • jello333 says:

              Any idea what’s going on with the pictures of Trayvon’s hands? I know we (the public) will probably never see those pics, but MOM/West should have them… well, assuming of course that’s not another thing the State is hiding from them.

              • justfactsplz says:

                Those would be entered into evidence at trial and a jury would see them but not the public. I have that sick feeling the state is also hiding those from the defense. It seems all evidence that is in George’s favor is not being released to the defense. Where are the full tox reports? Where are the blankety ping logs?

      • lovemygirl says:

        “Do we know who punched who first? NO.”

        Well we do know who the first and only person that night to connect with a punch was. His name was Trayvon.

    • ottawa925 says:

      you may be right. Until they show us the proof and we run it by Walther (he’s waiting patiently), she can have all the imaginary conversations she wants to. I still don’t see what prevents MOM/West from subpoena of phone bill/data from that provider themselves. I thought the copy they got had everything except for the date of the incident. So why can’t they get it on their own. Do you think they have subpoened that on their own? We really are getting antsy on this phone business. We want more pieces of the puzzle. Can you imagine if there was no phone record of that ever happening, and they were deposing her … knowing that? …. lol omg That would be a beautiful thing. Is the Prosecution that stupid? maybe, look what they’ve done so far. it’s only Nelson that’s got them through.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Keep in mind Omara mentioning the different sim cards and them not matching. I believe they have proof and was letting Dee Dee bury herself a little deeper.

        • ytz4mee says:

          Yes. Still waiting for more to be revealed about the “phones” (plural) magic carpet ride.

          • justfactsplz says:

            You are spot on. “Plural” is the key word here. It is about more phones than just that dead heart phone.

            • ytz4mee says:


              I tweeted Rene Stutzman. I asked her how she “knows” W#8 was on the phone with Traydemark – because attorneycrump said so? *snort*.

              It will be interesting to see how she responds.

              • justfactsplz says:

                That will be interesting. Reminds me of the media calling George a vigilante shooter. They never say the word alleged anymore. Rene knows there has been no absolute proof this call ever took place but she still states it as a fact. I love it when you guys call her on stuff.

              • Lynn says:

                Love it!

    • jello333 says:

      Remember, we currently know VERY little about what went down at the Dee Dee depo. I suspect it was WAY more than just admission of the lies about age and hospital. WAY more.

  26. justfactsplz says:

    Something else stands out to me from the Feb. 22, 2013 hearing. West in his presentation tells that Crump can be made a witness is Witness #8 tell something in her deposition from what Crump has said. Hum. I am still searching. West is most definitely in it to win it and will go all the way to the Pacific. Calling all pioneer spirits. Let’s do this.

    • justfactsplz says:

      Major brain and type freeze. Should read “if Witness #8 tells something different in her deposition from what Crump has said”.

  27. jordan2222 says:

    I made a similar comment at RT.

    If it was actually DeeDee’s own idea to lie about her age, that puts a different perspective on things. Why would she voluntarily do that? Did she WANT to get involved in this case? Did she actively seek to contact Sybrina or someone on the Scheme Team? I would doubt that, especially given the time interval but this makes no sense. There must be a deeper reason for lying about her age than is readily visible. The only thing that makes sense to me is that someone else suggested it to her before the interview but IDK.

    I guess we still do not have records to confirm if she was on the phone during those last few minutes. Is that right? If not, would she risk telling the defense she was if she wasn’t?

    Do we even know if she had a lawyer?

    • justfactsplz says:

      I have always thought that Nat Jack is her lawyer. Nat talked a lot about Dee Dee prior to August, then she became a little mum. Now we know why. She knew she lied. Has Nat Jack said anything lately? Not a heck of a lot which is hard for her.

      • lovemygirl says:

        Nasty Jack’s only response to me was similar to you think you know the facts but you don’t and then I was blocked. She is so nasty that I think she and Crump, Tracey and a few other’s do the Nasty Jackson dance together.

      • jordan2222 says:

        We do not know that DeeDee told the defense the truth in the depo. If she really did know Sybrina for any length of time beforehand, then I am not buying that she made up the hospital lie on her own. By the time of the interview with Bernie, I would bet you that Sybrina found out it was a lie and DeeDee knew that, too. So for her to say in the depo that she lied once more because of Sybrina is absurd.

        • justfactsplz says:

          I believe Dee Dee was told to lie about the hospital and her age by Crump.

        • John Galt says:

          “If she really did know Sybrina for any length of time beforehand”

          Sybrina said she started hearing about W8 around Christmas. Sybrina didn’t state that she knew her or had previously met her. Just heard about her.

          p 37/284

          • jordan2222 says:

            True but didn’t DeeDee say she had known Trayvon since kindergarten? I know that does mean that Sybrina knew her.

            The truth is that none of us know the truth about a lot of things.

            I am still wondering if she told the truth in the depo and if a lawyer was present and why is there such a long delay before the next depo?

            • nivico says:

              “The truth is that none of us know the truth about a lot of things.”

              Imagine trying to take everything Dee Dee has said out of the picture, throw it all out the window and start over from scratch… there’s nothing left to discuss. Neighborhood Watch volunteer attacked by unsupervised ‘home alone’ juvenile delinquent who was currently suspended from school for drug possession… open and shut.

              The state would have no case whatsoever… she is that instrumental to the whole Tea & Skittles narrative.

              And allowing a man’s fate to rest in the hands of a witness who was coached, intimidated, and has already demonstrated a willingness to lie under oath is just unconscionable to me.

              • jordan2222 says:

                My post should have read: I know that does NOT mean that Sybrina knew her.

                Your post is accurate. Without DeeDee we are back to where Corey picked up the case… no cause for an arrest….Just as the SPD concluded. Nothing changed.

    • arkansasmimi says:

      ok, forgive me, as I am trying to catch up and may be wrong… Do WE know that DD stated to anyone she was 16 or is it just (that IIRC) from Chump and Co and it snowballed thru media?

  28. ytz4mee says:

    How come the defense never wants to talk about the obstruction of justice from Trashcan Dad?
    He outright refuses to help the LEOs get info from the phone, yet curiously that is okay with the Defense (and the State, which allegedly will leave no stone unturned for “truth” and “justice”).

    I find the sound of crickets about this issue very …… interesting. I wonder if it was a line of questioning at his depo ….

  29. recoverydotgod says:

    Seni Tienabeso’s tweet captures the O’Mara’s motion quite well IMO. (Why weren’t reasons given in the motion for why the different ages.)

    • recoverydotgod says:

      Interesting that No. 3 of the request for sanctions states in the Ben Crump interview W8 did not go to the “wake and funeral”

      Guess that covers Ronquavis Fulton interview with Nancy Grace on 4/2/2012

      “No, but I met her at the funeral.”

      • smokeNmirrors says:

        Parks also reaffirms she is a minor and was hospitalized. It appears the States star witness has lied to everyone from the beginning. Looks like she will get a major book deal out of this once she finally comes clean.

        • recoverydotgod says:

          I guess Ronquavis didn’t meet W8 at the funeral then….even though he says he did. Parks didn’t correct that later in the interview. Maybe his earpiece was out of his ear and he couldn’t hear Ronquavis. Dunno.

    • John Galt says:

      The headline should be: Attempt to explain one Scheme Team lie still leaves dozes of lies unexplained.

  30. JAS says:

    And round ‘n round the circus carrousel goes…. Occam’s razor. If you’re in love with someone, and you are on the phone with that person as he/she is being attacked and subsequently shot and killed, what would you do? Would you not want to be out on the front row, megaphone in hand, telling the world what you heard and how it all went down? Why would you try to hide instead? If you needed to hide what is it that could be so damming that you would need to do so? Why would there be any need to lie about your age? Why lie about being in the hospital? Why hide the phone records?

    • myopiafree says:

      The credibility is worse than that. Let us say you were talking on the phone with your girl friend. She says she is being followed – and she is afraid. You hear some words, some “thumps”, and then “grass”. What would you do? 1) Call the police. 2) Call your girl friend’s parents. 3) talk to your mother. 4) Talk your friends the next day 5) Do NOTHING FOR 22 DAYS. Yup – you win – you picked #5. (Eye Roll).

      • smokeNmirrors says:

        1. You lie about your age.
        2. You lie about you’re whereabouts .
        3. Your hostile towards police and wont come forward with information you have in connection with an ongoing murder investigation.
        4. Your an EARwitness, your testimony is hearsay.

        What pros does this witness have, all I see are cons?
        Evidence > Arguments

  31. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    How much you bet that this demand for sanctions is intended to lever a copy of genuine phone bills as well as the cell tower ping logs out of BDLR?

  32. recoverydotgod says:
    • eastern2western says:

      oh, no! they are going to delay the hearing till the 20th. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! why must we waite for a great comical hearing of the century. de la rionda will act like a bendejo in it.

  33. xballer52 says:

    Question to ponder: If the cell phone bill was legit and we are to believe they (DD and Trayvon) talked multiple times for 500+ minutes on the day in question, shouldn’t there be multiple calls from DD back to Trayvon’s phone following the incident?

    If I was on the phone with someone and was disconnected, I would attempt to call them back at least one or twice. If I became disconnected and I knew the person I was speaking with was under durress, I would call them back incessantly as well as send them multiple text messages. As far as we know, there wasn’t ONE single phone call from DD to Trayvon Martin’s phone following the incident! VERY TELLING in my humble opinion.


    Here is new news, which was quietly rolled into an existing article about the witnesses:

    • eastern2western says:

      this beyond bad. the next new we hear is corey will try to block the defense from ever even questioning 8

  35. RockyMtnMama says:

    Crump’s response to the Motion to Reconsider his deposition:

    Not sure if this is up elsewhere yet.

  36. I believe they would give the prosecution the chance to refile, but it is Judge Nelson.

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