02-28 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.

“The sensationalized, fact-deficient coverage of this case has achieved the
desired results. The networks got their ratings. The politicians got their
talking points. And if it means innocent people get caught in the middle of the
racial enmity they’ve fomented, obviously it’s considered acceptable collateral
damage.
Congratulations, geniuses. Job well done. Jim Treacher, The DC Trawler

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  1. rumpole2 says:

    Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest.

    A day almost totally devoted to uninformed, wilfully ignorant, sentimental crap in remembrance of “Little Tray”.

    Neurotic… borderline psychotic!

    Not worth quoting… except a single short post illustrates the mob-think/neurosis

    Random Topics

    http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=584&p=23068#p23068

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    If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.

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    • rumpole2 says:

      I’ll Pick Up My Heart And Go Home

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    • rumpole2 says:

      TIA…. Admin  photo blowkises-1_zps646b7c88.gif
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    • Redrider says:

      This is a time of shame and sorrow. It is not a day for politics. I have saved this one opportunity, my only event of today, to speak briefly to you about the mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.

      It is not the concern of any one race. The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one – no matter where he lives or what he does – can be certain who will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on and on and on in this country of ours.

      Why? What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr’s cause has ever been stilled by an assassin’s bullet.

      No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of reason.

      Whenever any American’s life is taken by another American unnecessarily – whether it is done in the name of the law or in the defiance of the law, by one man or a gang, in cold blood or in passion, in an attack of violence or in response to violence – whenever we tear at the fabric of the life which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, the whole nation is degraded.

      “Among free men,” said Abraham Lincoln, “there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet; and those who take such appeal are sure to lost their cause and pay the costs.”

      Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. We calmly accept newspaper reports of civilian slaughter in far-off lands. We glorify killing on movie and television screens and call it entertainment. We make it easy for men of all shades of sanity to acquire whatever weapons and ammunition they desire.

      Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others. Some Americans who preach non-violence abroad fail to practice it here at home. Some who accuse others of inciting riots have by their own conduct invited them.

      Some look for scapegoats, others look for conspiracies, but this much is clear: violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

      For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is the slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in the winter.

      This is the breaking of a man’s spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man among other men. And this too afflicts us all.

      I have not come here to propose a set of specific remedies nor is there a single set. For a broad and adequate outline we know what must be done. When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.

      We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. For all this, there are no final answers.

      Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.

      We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children’s future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.

      Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.

      But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can.

      Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

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      • aliashubbatch says:

        Not gonna lie, I read maybe the first few paragraphs then glazed over the rest. My guess is you’re trying to make Trayvon look like a victim. -_-

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        • Redrider says:

          Not my intentions at all sorry you took it that way this is a speech from Robert Kennedy when Martin Luther King was assonated. I am a citizen of Sanford, Florida and a strong and vocal supporter of #supportchieflee. I posted this in the Huffington and several other “RAGS” and thought I would share it here. Never imagined some would take it the way they did.

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          • Flaladybug says:

            I’m a Floridian myself and by what I’ve seen I think Chief Lee is another example of collateral damage…..hope he’s doing we’ll. he did NOT DESERVE what happened to him:(

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            • Redrider says:

              @Flaladybug Thanks guess for some people in here that was lost. More than 1 life was ripped apart over this event just wish he had something like this to help. But I guess in some way it does the more of these lies are putout into public the more he will also be vindicated. I for one can not wait for the day :)

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              • Flaladybug says:

                There seems to be many who have been hurt by this fiasco….I too hope Mr. Lee gets not only a VERY PUBLIC apology, but reparations as well!! Of course, the players in this game are rarely held accountable for their actions….I truly pray this will FINALLY be the exception and it will put an end to their continuous use of this PLAYBOOK!!

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          • selfdefenseadvocate says:

            Thank you for your post, redrider. I too am a Floridian. I most definitely agree with the bottom line (no matter who said it) : ” Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.” A lot of innocent people were hurt because of the politics in this case. As Flaladybug says- Chief Lee is one example of “collateral damage”. Hopefully it will all become clear in the near future and wounds will hopefully begin to heal….

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        • jello333 says:

          It’s Bobby Kennedy, when MLK was killed.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            Which speech is this because it’s not the one I remember reading.

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            • jello333 says:

              This was the formal speech, days later. Maybe you’re thinking of the one he gave just after the shooting, at what was supposed to be a campaign event in Indy. He basically made the announcement himself, almost nobody at that event had yet heard the news. It’s WAY powerful stuff. And guess what, of all the big cities that had riots over the next few days… Indianapolis was NOT one of them. Hmm….

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      • boricuafudd says:

        “For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is the slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in winter.”

        What does this have to do with TM? TM was not poor or impoverished? He may have been starved for love or attention, but that is not what he is describing. This diatribe completely ignores facts and makes everything about touchy feely, tug at the heart, blame society kind of crap that has put us in this position in the first place.

        Acceptance of your fellow-man, and attempting to help them, does not remove from them the responsibility for their actions. Being envious of the more prosperous, does not make everyone more prosperous, just poorer. Hard work and accomplishment can never be replaced by handouts and good intentions.

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      • waltherppk says:

        There are two kinds of people where battle lines are drawn…..oath keepers and oath violators. Start THERE with that DISTINCTION before preaching a lot of life is a zero sum game and social justice crap about how we are all brothers and there are no patriots or domestic enemies. This country does not advance the cause of anyone but a communist by all the “for the greater good of the collective” kind of crap which tries unsuccessfully to try to justify the abuses and usurpations which government has imposed by force on citizens who think LIBERTY has fundamental value above that premise that whatever is good must be “for the greater good of the collective”. We are not “citizens of the world” that is the “collective”. Some of us ARE legal citizens of the United States and have an allegiance to the constitution and principles that are the LEGAL and MORAL basis for that republic. But some among us are “pretenders” or SUBVERSIVES who reject that allegiance, and some are ILLEGAL ALIENS who are NOT equal in status to CITIZENS. Status is not “just a piece of paper” any more than is the distinction ABSTRACT between what are oath keepers and oath violators. There is a huge difference between the belief and effort to practice that we are all God’s children, and the belief and practice that the world is just a pie to be cut up and everybody given an equal sized piece …..just because they are another member of the “brotherhood of man” that is the human race. The pursuit of life and what happiness or rewards for effort it may provide is not a “special olympics” where every contestant wins a gold medal just so everybody is treated equally, or as some would propose “fairly”. There are distinctions about people and their relative “worth” so that life IS an incentive based pursuit. There are some who strive for excellence and labor to achieve something and they should be rewarded above those who do not so strive and labor. The reality is that there are distinctions between persons having different station in life for an assortment of reasons, including wealth of the individual or family wealth, and the labor of a brain surgeon for one hour is valued more highly than the labor of a person picking tomatoes for one hour. Collectivism proposes it will “level the playing field” for all life’s seeming inequities and make everything “fair” according to its lofty principles, but it has always failed to deliver what it promises because it is a LIE that is against nature and against the nature of things which tend to follow a “natural order”. Interfering to extremes with that natural order has produced only catastrophic genocides and tyranny as an ultimate result, and the irony is there has been an even greater “disparity” of “class distinctions” evident in those very societies which have attempted to achieve “collectivist aims” ….so the hypocrisy inherent to that SCAM is evident about its deceptive engineers and advocates. “Good communists” are good liars sales pitching a “utopian dream” whose buyers awaken to find is a dystopia realized instead and it is invariably a police state from which LIBERTY has disappeared.

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        • libby says:

          If redrider needs brain surgery, send in the streeet sweeper to do the job instead. They wont mind, they think we are all equal (the street sweeper ought to be able to do the same quality brain surgery as the brain surgeon)

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      • jordan2222 says:

        So did you write this? I will reserve comment until I know who you are.

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      • waltherppk says:

        @Redrider …..maybe you should get a tee shirt silkscreened
        I’M AN OSCAR MEYER PINKO WEENIE … and walk around singing
        John Lennon’s song called “Imagine” :D

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        • Redrider says:

          Well aren’t you just full of (s) whit. Must be nice to come on here daily post your crap and feel like you are doing so much to make a change. I have atteneded almost every single City Council meeting in Sanford since this incident happened and much more. Yet you make a personal assumption based on a copy of a speech by Robert Kennedy. WOW

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          • ftsk420 says:

            You attended every meeting and what has it changed?

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          • aliashubbatch says:

            Way to drop the “peaceful” act, with attempting to denigrate waltherppk. Real smooth. :roll:

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          • waltherppk says:

            Barry Goldwater impressed me. None of the Kennedy clan ever did.

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          • ytz4mee says:

            Hello.
            I’m sorry …. I must have missed the thread where you took the time to politely introduce yourself.
            Please direct me to that post.
            Thanks.

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          • Redrider says:

            @waltherppk … Heres one for you…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsz_-pVHgCA

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            • waltherppk says:

              @Redrider

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            • JB from SoCal says:

              Redrider~

              May I remind you of some rules of common courtesy? When you write a lengthy article such as the one @ 12:22 PM today, no matter if ‘s a letter to a friend, a paper that you’re writing for a school assignment, a letter to the editor of a newspaper, or a post at an internet website, you must either at the beginning or at the end, attribute the article to the original author . . .always!

              Since this tome is not as recognizable as the Gettysburg Address or something else as memorable, and since you didn’t use quotes or italics, and since you appear to be a stranger here, you could have saved yourself and others here a lot of grief and bad feelings all around by simply introducing yourself, then identifying the source of the article; that’s just a common courtesy. You would have been most probably welcomed with open arms.

              You probably realize that we are all on the same side here, you and us. But, Redrider, you blew it. Let’s face it — you were totally wrong in your reaction. What did you expect? We’ve had a daily wave of trolls coming in here deliberately trying to stir up a hornet’s nest, then you pull this?

              Frankly, I think you should apologize and start over. Do that, and I think you’ll find a warm welcome here, although I am only speaking for myself, and only myself. Also, speaking only for myself, I would like to hear more of what you have to say.

              My hand is out to shake your hand if you want to. I guess it’s your call . . . that is, if you haven’t already been 86’d out of here already. If so, that would truly be a shame, because I believe that your heart is in the right place, and that you have something worthwhile to offer.

              Peace,

              JB
              Prof. Emeritus

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          • libby says:

            So, you must have witnessed the black racism up close and personal (they have the good kind of hate according to most rags like the huffpo, et al).
            How have you done with the naacp and their brand of hate? did you get them to put down their hate, yet?

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        • jello333 says:

          I know nothing about Redrider, or exactly why he/she posted that speech. But you know it WAS a speech, right? Bobby Kennedy re. MLK’s assassination? And I’m sure you already know this about me, but I’m a HUGE John Lennon fan. ;)

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          • ftsk420 says:

            That speech doesn’t look like the speech from April 4th, 1968 in Indiana.

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          • waltherppk says:

            What may have worked in 1968 in a eulogy to MLK doesn’t apply well to the Sanford case and little else of it applies to current state of affairs in a country where most racism has simply reversed polarity in a huge way to achieve a self asserted segregation. The pendulum has swung back to the middle and to the opposite extreme. Pardon my complete absence of white guilt, never had it actually because I never personally had a reason then, but sure as hell don’t have it now decades later having watched the “cure” that has been implemented at a cost of trillions basically poured down a rat hole.

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            • jello333 says:

              Hey Walther, just wanna make sure you understand: I AGREE WITH YOU. ;) The pendulum has indeed shifted, and now the worst of the racism comes from the other direction.

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            • justfactsplz says:

              +1.

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            • libby says:

              THANK YOU Walther!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              Well said.
              I was raised on white guilt. I got daily doses of white guilt for decades. I fed myself doses of white guilt for quite some time until I forced myself to wake up and examine the history of my people (we werent the ones who invented slavery and we were the ones who for the first time in history made it illegal)

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    • jello333 says:

      As vile as some of them are, once in awhile I’ll read something that makes me feel a bit sorry for one of them. Gonna have Skittles for supper as a tribute to Trayvon? And she said that with what seemed like honest emotion? Just… I don’t know, I think you’re right that this isn’t just an act for some of those people. They’ve really lost it.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Rumpole,

      BGI is outraged by a Supreme Court Justice.

      http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/civil-rights-leaders-outraged-over-scalia-racial-entitlement-172338534–election.html

      Perhaps “off topic” but these people are the most racist of all.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Hi myopiafree :D

        I’ll try and drag it back on topic for ya.

        The point of today’s Daily Daft was to point out not only “Daft” but the lock-step, mass hysteria aspect of it. They are all lamenting the death of little Tray on the anniversary… but the “Little Tray” they have in mind NEVER EXISTED.. He was a construct of The Scheme Team. It makes no more sense to be upset over his death than it does to be concerned over “Who Killed Laura Palmer”
        We can all get emotionally attached to FICTIONAL characters.. but if you let it effect your REAL LIFE there is something very wrong with you… a neurosis as I suggest…. and to be doing it enmasse is an indication of Mass Hysteria. This pnenominon is being shamelessly exploited by the Schemers for their own ends… the Mob are to stupid to comprehend that they are being used.

        To quote Bobby Kennedy speech referencing the Death of MLK.. in the context of TM’s death is just plain silly.

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  2. sundance says:

    Oh man, y’all have me in stitches on that great ‘Keep Hope a Lie’ post from Ytz. Between D-man and the ‘Silence of The Shams’ and whoever started that “nutter” schtick…. my dogs think I’m losing it from laughing so hard. Thanks, I needed that. :D

    Wolverines !

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  3. diwataman says:

    Today and tomorrow left for filing for the March 5 hearing.

    To be heard:

    ABC Gutman Tapes
    FBI Files
    Missing CCTV video?

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      LOL Dman. I have a plaque in my kitchen, that my Granny gave me yrs ago. Its a Mommy Hen pointing her wing/finger to the lil chicks saying ” Because I am the Mom thats why” your lil video made me think of that :)

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    • arkansasmimi says:

      CUTE!! had me be bopping along :)

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    • sundance says:

      D-Man, that Dershowitz vid inside that vid above…… is that on the treehouse somewhere? Did someone post it? I’d like to watch. Thanks.

      ps. Love the video – and NO, I’m not practicing that…. My plate runneth over, way over.

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      • diwataman says:

        Someone will have to if you all want to see the hearings from another source other than Trent. Manybuddies is gone. I will try to get them but I often am not able. The immunity hearing, if there is one, will be a lot longer than these hearings we’ve seen and go on for days. The trial even more and longer. So people better start getting prepared. I can only do so much as well and I’ll try to get them but I often miss the hearings as well.

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  4. sundance says:

    This is worth reviewing:

    http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/02/28/who-is-stonewalling/

    Great job D-Man. And yes, I concur. The FBI issue is also nuanced, but O’Mara had to know, he just had to, what it ultimately was all about.

    Remember, it was O’Mara/West who first publicly mentioned the CRS. Yes, we had discussed way, way beforehand because we had specific insight into what was going on in the background/parallel aspect of influence.

    If O’Mara did not know the response would be “open investigation” he is beyond insufferably inept. I will not afford him that consideration. He’s been around the block long enough to know exactly what the intent is to keeping an investigation open.

    As a side note “we” have mucho experience with “open federal investigations” and challenges therein. Such was the auspices for the Treehouse VS. State of Virginia court battle, and yes the CRS was a central DOJ component in that regard.

    We specifically engaged in the “virginia Pilot” story last year because of the DOJ-CRS aspect to it. We correctly knew the experience we would need to evaluate the State of Fl vs. Zimmerman through the Federal DOJ prism would be garnered with the experience out of state. Such was our reasoning for spending last summer in challenges with them.

    In short, that experience taught us an infinite amount about what happens when you challenge the Commonwealth, or State, for information protected by the DOJ-CRS and the BGI influenced decisions. Well, I guess I just let one of our endeavors out of the bag :D LOL…. [Now y'all know we ain't just a crew of inactive pontificators..... so, shhhhhh we don't need everyone knowing how much we dig into research before formulating the keystrokes y'all bear witness to]. ;)

    So don’t take the spin doctor (O’Mara’s) obfuscations at face value. We know how this rolls. So does he. Nothing is filed without a known filing outcome as a consequence [more later about this]

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    • justfactsplz says:

      D-Man did do a great job on that article as usual. Omara couldn’t try much harder to lose this case. God spead Sundance on your endeavors with the DOJ-CRS and the BGI.

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    • We specifically engaged in the “virginia Pilot” story last year . thats just racism. or so the trayvonites would have you believe.
      this site is racismt and bigoted and lies, yet zero people have ever shown me where. yeah they will say “bus driver” but I knew that before I found this place. on my own. from his own social media, stephens, and tracys. I personally viewed it all and honestly if omara would get me there I would personally testify to the authenticity if they cant get the real deal from twitter and facebook. i will in the first person say and show how i got from a to b. on the stand. or “deedee” but hey thats crumps fault. cant find the right girl when crump gives out a fake age range to search for.

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    • John Galt says:

      Discovery is effectively over. Only the stonewalling remains.

      SERIOUS: Z family: NOW is the time to call Dershowitz about perfecting the record and preserving issues for appeal.

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    • John Galt says:

      “If O’Mara did not know the response would be “open investigation” he is beyond insufferably inept. I will not afford him that consideration. He’s been around the block long enough to know exactly what the intent is to keeping an investigation open.”

      I hope he knew. It is pretty clear from 5:00 to 9:00 of the December 11 hearing video that Bernie knew.

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      • waltherppk says:

        There should be no “open investigation” on the matter of the phone forensics that are highly relevant and material information as forensic evidence in this case. The phone forensics particularly the Microsoft Excel spreadsheets which bear the GPS data and the exact times of connection for the phones involved in the case are KEY evidence for ascertaining if the prosecution theory alleged by the state is even plausible with regards to being within the realm of possibility allowable by the location and time data recorded by the T-Mobile communications network service provider in particular and any other service provider which could also be involved or have recorded the same data.

        It would be great if the entirety of the forensics analysis already done or the raw data and reports were available to us, even with whatever redactions may be required, so that many sets of eyes could take a look at that likely KEY forensic evidence to see what may be learned from it and determine its actual evidentiary value with regards to supporting or impeaching the prosecution theory. Because there has been so little information released for public scrutiny about what is likely THE most key evidence it is evident there is a general withholding news “blackout” probably due to privacy laws concerning phone records prohibiting the publication of personal information which must be kept confidential by the attorneys and agencies who possess it. That blanket suppression of ALL the data available on the Excel spreadsheets is NOT REQUIRED to comply with the protection of the privacy rights of persons involved. It seems very odd that there is a total suppression of all publication of the PING LOGS for phones involved in the case. The unnecessary complete blackout of that information raises the good question what is it exactly that is revealed by those PING LOGS that the State of Florida does not want for people to see ?

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        • jello333 says:

          I just thought of something when you were saying they should release the redacted data, and let all of us or whoever go over it, and see what we find. I thought that was a great idea, and I still do. But now that I think about it, the “redactions” might not help much. Some have said that the GPS data could potentially be accurate to within a matter of a few FEET. If that’s true, then it would clearly pinpoint not only specific locations during the night in question… which would be a good thing. But it could also pinpoint specific HOUSES where any of those phones may have been before and after that evening. So could it be that THAT is why we (the public) have seen nothing?

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          • waltherppk says:

            They could redact what is needed and put “Residence A” or “Residence B” ect. for the GPS of addresses needing to be redacted. Likewise for phone numbers could be designated as “contact A” or “contact B” ect. If there was a desire to publish the redacted data it would be published.

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            • jello333 says:

              Ah, OK, I apparently misunderstood the way it worked. I thought we’ve have like coordinates or something. I mean, so a map could be created, and put dots here and there and then just connect the dots, showing a path or something.

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              • waltherppk says:

                The relevant information could be released if it was desired to do so. But for some reason this is simply not being done, and saying it is a privacy issue is simply a lame excuse and a transparent LIE. The Sate is hiding something. The ping logs were publicly released in the Casey Anthony case so why not for this case too ?

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                • jello333 says:

                  Oh absolutely. But I didn’t think you were talking about just what the State is doing, I thought you meant the stuff being released under the “sunshine” laws by the Defense (if the State wouldn’t). But if you’re talking about the State maybe not even giving the info to the Defense?…. then yeah, regarding that there can be NO excuse, “privacy issues” or anything else. And if the Defense DOES have it, but there’s an issue with the GPS data showing too much private info, then they should SAY that. Say, “We’ve got all the info we need to map locations, but we can’t yet release that publicly.” Something like that, and we’d all feel better.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    +1,000,000 Whoever has the damn ping logs should publish them, full steam ahead …damn the torpedoes

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    Publising the ping logs would bring this three ring circus to a screeching halt and that is precisely why that forensic evidence has not been published, because too many people are cashing in on a manufactured and artificially sustained controversy that has become profitable to exploit and milk for every dime that can be gotten from it. It is and always has been about MONEY. It’s all about the Benjamins…the C notes….the hundred dollar bills.

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  They are hiding a lot of things IMO, ping logs, full tox report, and on and on.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    If you followed what wrongonred was posting yesterday about the phones it is not far fetched at all that we are incredulous about the “story of record” being all there is to know about the phones, even beyond what we just don’t know because of blackout on what is a matter of record involving the ping logs. The record could be in part a narrative of a story that has an earlier unpublished version.

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    We may never know. Have we seen any of the lastest discovery that Bernie plopped on the desk in front of Omara?

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    Has it been posted ?

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    No, not that I have seen.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    They posted George’s records “by mistake” so maybe they could post the phone forensics “by mistake” too.

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    Or maybe Trayvon’s school records and police record could be leaked, oops.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    the tox report ….name, address and corresponding phone history for W8….little things like that

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    That is most important plus phone histor for prior month.

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            • John Galt says:

              “If there was a desire to publish the redacted data it would be published.”

              +1

              They released a bunch of suitably redacted phone data as discovery in the Casey Anthony case, including cell site maps derived from ping logs. They also obtained cell tower signal strength information.

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        • myopiafree says:

          Hi Walther – I am with you 1,000 percent. I have no idea why the critical Ping-computer logs are NOT PRODUCED IN DISCOVERY. That would establish if there WERE communication with DeeDee. I truly doubt it – but the ping-logs could prove me wrong. Where are they??

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        • diwataman says:

          Waltherppk, please don’t take this the wrong way but I’ve been wanting to mention this for some time now. You have a bad habit of doing what’s called “comment hijacking”. There’s nothing in my post, Sundance’s reply regarding my post or John Galt’s reply regarding my post that has anything to do with phone forensics. You’ve done this quite often in the past where someone is talking about a topic not related to the phone and you inject the topic of ping log’s etc. into the comment string. That is disruptive and detracts from the conversation as it goes off topic. I ask that if you have something to say that has nothing to do with the topic of a particular comment that you start a new comment with the topic you wish to discuss. Thanks.

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          • waltherppk says:

            The FBI has looked at the ping logs don’t ya think ?

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            • diwataman says:

              That very well may be but that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

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              • waltherppk says:

                I did read your page before making my comment but if you think the FBI look at the ping logs doesn’t dovetail with the FBI investigation or reports which O’Mara hasn’t gotten then what can I say.

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                • diwataman says:

                  The topic at hand is not the FBI and the phone. The topic at hand is the defenses handling of getting info from the FBI. The FBI also did forensics on the NEN call, so should we talk about that as well? We could talk about a lot of things the FBI has done in this case but the topic is not that.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    I get that, but I thought my reply in the topic was to John Galt mention of the use of the “open investigation” excuse for FBI not releasing FBI reports still considered matters under ongoing investigation. My reply was in that context to John Galt more than to your take on O’Mara’s mishandling of the requests for FBI files. How would that “open investigation” aspect apply to the FBI analysis of investigative material already reasonably expected to have been completed months ago, yet being kept undisclosed by the FBI using that “open investigation” reason as an excuse? I am saying I think that holds true for the FBI review of the phone forensics. Anyway I had no intention of hijacking your topic. I have had ping logs on the brain for awhile and I know the FBI absolutely would or should have looked at that evidence and reviewed it early. So where is their report ? Why isn’t O’Mara asking specifically for it if it exists ? And why isn’t O’Mara following the procedure that is supposed to be followed to get the FBI
                    reports ?

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                  • diwataman says:

                    “open investigation” as it pertains to how the defense went about handling the FBI issue as a whole.

                    Do the ping logs help explain why O’Mara, West and the judge thought it would be okay for him to go to the FBI office and get whatever he wanted?

                    Do the ping logs help explain why after 5 months into discovery O’Mara only now then began to seek the FBI files?

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    “open file discovery” and “open investigation” are two different things. Whatever the FBI has sent to the State pertaining to a State criminal prosecution can’t just be “kept confidential” by the State. Whatever the State has from the FBI O’Mara should get from the State and not from the FBI, including any FBI reports reviewing the ping logs. And it should not be any “open file discovery” where O’Mara goes shopping for what documents he wants and requests only specific items. The State should copy O’Mara on whatever they got from the FBI….all of it.

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    • diwataman says:

      Thanks.

      Okay I just wanted to add to that a bit because I have to say that I’m aware of what you all are saying in regards to the USDOJ/CRD and the “open investigation” thing as well but that is skipping way ahead in where I’m trying to go with this.

      I posted this over at TalkLeft and will repost it here as well.

      http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php/topic,2335.msg107000.html#msg107000

      Okay, so if it was a strategic decision[which by all appearances it was] by the defense to get the State to contact the FBI and get O’Mara what he wanted then O’Mara was successful in that regard at the Dec 7, 2012 hearing. He got the judge to order the state to contact the FBI with the list of things O’Mara wanted.

      @21:42

      “Here’s what I’m going to rule on that issue with the FBI. If you provide the State with a list of the things that you think the FBI has done, Mr. de la Rionda will then call the FBI and ask them “do you have this information and if you do provide it” and he will pass it on to you. That’s the best I can do. If you will put that in the proposed order.”

      O’Mara agrees.

      Four days later, at the Dec 11 hearing, that “strategy” changed.

      O’Mara brings the judge the list and after a whole four days the judge completely forgets what she said and changes her previous order from “give the list to the state etc.” to “anything the FBI has in their possession regarding this case should be made available to the defense to inspect an copy.” HELLO? WHAT? She also forgets that four days ago she made a big point by telling the defense they have to show something specific and now she’s like “hey they may have more than this you might want so just go there”. HUH? What is going on here? O’Mara agrees to this and never brings up that he is to give the state the list and they will get it. WHY? That’s what he wanted. That’s what he got four days ago. And now that changes?

      How is it that four days after O’Mara getting what he wanted does he forget? How does the judge forget? The state sits there like a potted palm because it has been their position they do not have the obligation to get the info for O’Mara because 1) it’s a separate and ongoing investigation 2) the defense can subpoena the FBI themselves and 3) because they have already contacted the FBI, continue to do so and provided the defense with what they got before, so of course they are not going to say anything.

      Why did the defense change its strategy at the Dec 11 hearing?

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      • John Galt says:

        CRS gave Nelson the word? It appears to me that Bernie was all prepared at the 12/11 hearing, and knew the FBI would block discovery. The only thing Bernie requested was that Nelson be sure and give the FBI time to block discovery. Note that Nelson also reversed her position on Crump from (original position) Crump is a witness because he has relevant information about the W8 interview and shall be deposed to (reversed position) Crump has no relevant information and shall not be deposed. Note also that Nelson was ready to block Crump’s deposition even before Blackwell mentioned Crump’s Affidavit and even before Blackwell finished making the oral motion, and w/o hearing anything from the defense. So twice now, it appears that Nelson came to the bench prepared to flip-flop. Something’s afoot.

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        • diwataman says:

          She didn’t flip-flop or reverse her position, as a matter of fact she reminded West of her original position which was that she made Crump a witness specifically for the purposes of the circumstance surrounding the RECORDING, not to anything they wanted.

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          • boricuafudd says:

            To which end Crump came with his Affidavit, which I guess satisfied her original order.

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          • John Galt says:

            “she made Crump a witness”

            Ipso facto, she determined that Crump had relevant information.

            “She didn’t flip-flop or reverse her position”

            Later she REVERSED herself by expressly finding that Crump had NO relevant information, and ordered that Crump could not be deposed AT ALL, on any topic, even though he had submitted an affidavit which proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that he does indeed have relevant information.

            Expecting: 48 hours before March 5, ABC will file a magnum opus ***, depriving the defense of any opportunity of reply. Nelson will arrive with prepared notes, which she will read in denial of the motion to subpoena ABC’s recordings.

            *** No_Limit_Nelson? Blackwell filed an 18 page smoke screen and NBC reportedly filed more than 100 pages seeking to stay the civil litigation. No page limits? Bizarre.

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        • waltherppk says:

          What is afoot is people not following procedure to create delays and burn up the clock.

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      • jello333 says:

        “How is it that four days after O’Mara getting what he wanted does he forget? How does the judge forget?” …. “Why did the defense change its strategy at the Dec 11 hearing?”

        As to what was going through Nelson’s mind… as in most other regards, WHO KNOWS?! But MOM? I would have to assume that he thought her second ruling was much better for the Defense than the first one was. Because at first the defense would have to be really specific, and hope they asked for the right things. But after Nelson changed it, it appeared they had a much broader mandate… and could ask for almost anything. That’s a lot better, right? Now of course if that then enabled the FBI to refuse EVERYTHING, then of course it wasn’t the right strategy on MOM’s part. I guess the question is, did he KNOW it was gonna lead to that problem. I sure wouldn’t have guessed it… though of course IANAL.

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        • John Galt says:

          I think they should try to get BDLR to answer on the record whether or not he has turned over to the defense everything that he obtained from the FBI. If BDLR has possession or control of any such information, I don’t see how he can properly hide behind the FBI’s open investigation privilege.

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        • diwataman says:

          The judge had great recall in regards to what she said regarding Crump only being made a witness for the purposes of the circumstances surrounding the recording and that was a lot longer than four days.

          O’Mara wanted one thing. For the State to get the info from the FBI. He got what he wanted so how could this new ruling be better? This new ruling was antithetical to what O’Mara wanted.

          And am I to believe that O’Mara, West and the judge all thought it would be that O’Mara could just go in into the FBI office, look through all their files and get a copy of whatever he wanted? Does that make any sense?

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          • boricuafudd says:

            I see your point D-Man, the new order was overly broad and was bound to raise the objection of the FBI, and a smackdown to the Judge as well, she does not have that authority. With the latest results the message is clear, stick to the charges, any outside influence(s) and their effect on the proceeding will be off-limits.

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          • waltherppk says:

            No that makes no sense. That could work that way for the defense attorney to go to the State Attorneys office and peruse their files and only get copies of what is deemed to be useful, and that scenario is “open file discovery” but does not meet the “full disclosure” requirements of Brady related recent case decisions. The best way of discovery disclosure compliance is for the State Attorney to literally copy everything they have gotten and turn it over, even if takes a wheelbarrow to move the files. And whatever is withheld should be reviewed in camera and a decision made by a judge as to whether it is protected “work product” ect, as a valid exemption from discovery disclosure if it is in a gray area at all.

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          • waltherppk says:

            @D-Man Nelson’s order would tend to indicate maybe she needs the dosage adjusted for whatever medication she is taking, or needs to cut back on the three martini lunch if that is an issue, or maybe write her own orders instead of letting clerks do it for her. O’Mara’s motion was a Discovery Demand for the State NOT for the FBI to produce but for the State to produce, for the State to FORWARD true and accurate COPIES of what it had from the FBI ect. and was not a demand for any order of the Court directing those FEDERAL agencies themselves to do anything at all. What motion (discovery demand) it was to which Nelson was responding with an order is a mystery since it clearly wasn’t granting what O’Mara had even asked for an order directing the State to do. This Nelson order of February 5, 2013 is like some kind of judicial dyslexia or something, a real screwup and a screwball order that bounced like a rubber check.

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            • boricuafudd says:

              That was my initial impression was that MOM, wanted and the FBI itself agreed, the information that the State would have and their communications. Not to order the FBI to turn over information, an order she could never enforce. So now I am confused is this MOM’s fault or the fault of the Judge who was not clear in her and intent.

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              • waltherppk says:

                It was the judges fault and clear judicial error to issue an order for which she lacks jurisdiction. It she was presiding of a federal district court instead of a state circuit court then she would have jurisdiction. This law school 101 kind of stuff and really reflects poorly on the competency of the judge.

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                • boricuafudd says:

                  It seems the remedy is for MOM to ask for clarification of her motion, where she can rectify herself.

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    Maybe her next court appearance will be like Cousin It or wearing a burka, paws over eyes peeping out …..oh no ! Simple typo ? forget that …this stuff is way out there in another orbit in jurisdictional la la land.

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                  • boricuafudd says:

                    Walther, give her a break, she was one of three finalist to the FL Supreme Court. She knows her stuff. Ha!

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                  • waltherppk says:

                    A regular legalzoomer there a real legal eagle.. bet her law degree has some fine print and provisos light on latin

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                  • boricuafudd says:

                    Walther recall back in the 80’s when kids who failed or could not get accepted to Med school, would go to the Caribbean to study medicine, now you could do it on the internet. Granada comes to mind, anyway the graduates were having trouble once they got back with their degrees, for some obvious reasons, that is what this Judge reminds me of.

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      • John Galt says:

        “Why did the defense change its strategy at the Dec 11 hearing?”

        Nelson spaced out, MOM didn’t expect to get anything helpful from the FBI anyway, he knew Nelson didn’t have jurisdiction over the FBI, but saw an opportunity to generate more continuance fodder?

        Judge, we asked you to order Bernie to ask the FBI for the documents, because we thought it would be more likely they would cooperate and it would be quicker. But you didn’t order Bernie to request the documents.You ordered the FBI to produce documents, subject to their right to object. Bernie seemed to anticipate that the FBI would object, because he specifically requested that you give them time to object in your order. We went along with you and Bernie on this, judge, but now the FBI has objected, and demands that we jump some hoops. We were trying to avoid jumping those hoops by having Bernie request the documents in the spirit of law enforcement cooperation so that we could get them in time to be ready for trial in June. As you may recall, Mr. West mentioned during the December 11 hearing that he had contact the FBI and they told him it would be better to get the documents through the SAO. We knew that the FBI had given Bernie some of the documents already, so we thought they would continue to cooperate like that. I guess your honor and Bernie thought they would cooperate with us, too. In the interests of justice and all. But it didn’t work out that way, so now we need more time. I think 6 months should allow us enough time to jump the FBI and DOJ Office of Information hoops.

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  5. arkansasmimi says:

    Yall can bet your ecakes all you want. But I bet you 2 Nutter Butter Sandwich Cookies to your ecake that the Def already has the TrayFam addresses. As much as they have been in public this past yr. A good PI or some good snoops shoot, shouldnt be too hard. Just my honest opinion NUTTIN else.

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    • jello333 says:

      You’re a NUT! But I think you’re right. And not just about the addresses, but a lot of other stuff they’ve been trying to get. I think they already have a lot of stuff, and are now trying to either get confirmation, or get conflicting info to prove the scam.

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  6. arkansasmimi says:

    Per Cousin Stephen Martin tweet, 5hrs ago was his birthday, which would have been day after TM died, 27th. Which makes me wonder if Tm and Cuz partyied the weekend away and why he was really with Stephen. Just a thought

    TRAY’S BIG BRUH‏@RIP_TRAY9 5 hrs ago
    My birthday #luckylibra

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    • ejarra says:

      That just mean’s he’s a libra. Born in Sept or Oct. Remember back when some asked, “What your sign?” It’s the twitter equivalent, except it’s where libras meet #luckylibra.

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    • Springstreet says:

      arkansasmimi, You’ve hit the nail on the head. NOW, get MOM (and George) and the Treepers to revisit the security footages (and yellow light traffic cameras) to show Stephen’s car didn’t leave Sanford at 8:30 AM … as he claimed to the police.

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      • ejarra says:

        Yes they could get the videos from the 7-11 and let’s, for the sake of discussion, find out that he lied and that they didn’t go there until noon. Then what. Personally, that would be a waste of time and money to persue that area. Now if it came out last fall, it might be worth looking at.

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        • Springstreet says:

          ejarra, The hooded figure GZ “followed”: could only be identified as looking black (no identifying facial features), was in his LATE teens, had stone washed jeans, red sneakers, was NOT described as tall or wearing headphones or carrying snacks, was never seen by witnesses or security cameras walking to or from the 7/11, had no logical timeline to be at the cut-thru AND THEN timidly ran away into the night.
          Trayvon was also a hooded figure but he: had an aggressive history, was on Brandy’s porch, came in the back gate, was just over 16, was very tall, was wearing tan pants and sneakers, had unopened “snacks”, was supposed to be wearing headphones, AND was only “seen” in the pitch dark after GZ was knocked silly.
          Why oh why oh why does everyone want to believe these two different people are in fact BOTH St. Skittles? Ask yourself: why did Stephen’s tweet not agree with his police testimony? Why did he lie? Why is there a missing 1/2 hour from the 7/11 and then a 4 minute gap from “running” to the attack at the T?
          Why is it worth looking at who was “chased”? Because, if Stephen’s car was spotted that NIGHT and it can’t be proven that the “chased” hooded figure was Trayvon … then BDLR has no case and the BGI loses.

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          • mung says:

            There would have to be good evidence to show it. Does anyone have any pictures of Stephen to see if he is really the one in the 7-11 video? He would have to look very similar to Trayvon.

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          • maggiemoowho says:

            GZ saw the pin that TM had on and TM had that pin when the police arrived. TM was also found with the items he bought at 7-11. The shoes TM had on were white, but I do think they had red accents. TM had a photo of those Jordans posted on twitter. The pants may have looked like stone washed jeans in the rain or because they were baggie maybe they could have looked like sweat pants.

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            • jordan2222 says:

              What is the big deal with this pin? I guess I missed out on that discussion.

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              • boricuafudd says:

                Jordan,
                The pin is the only identifying feature that GZ mentioned, that is consistent with TM at the time of the incident. The clothing is not consistent, a hoodie is too general, as it the race, but a button is not something everyone wears around. That would make more conclusive.

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            • Springstreet says:

              Sorry, I didn’t explain my theory clearly enough. TM was at the 7/11 and then DRIVEN (no cameras show him walking) to get to the back gate and Brandy’s porch (with his “Lean” ingredients) just like his father said. THEN, Stephen took the button to the cut-thru as identification for whomever they were to meet … that’s why some (not tall) person was just standing there in the rain … WEARING STONE WASHED JEANS as George said. (This is the only probable explanation I’ve heard for the time difference of TM leaving the 7/11 and SOMEONE being seen by GZ at the cut-thru.)
              So, it was Stephen who ran back to Brandy’s and Trayvon who then took the identifying button to finish the cut-thru deal (this explains the 4 minute run away to assault gap). BUT, TM’s testosterone took over when he saw GZ!
              So, the records of Trayvon’s Miami (not the heart) phone will verify these times and locations … and BDLR will lose … (especially if the Sanford traffic cameras are subpoenaed to verify Stephen’s car’s locations) … and everyone’s completely indefensible timeline (Blunt smoking in the woods … changing his pants and/or shoes on the porch, etc. etc.) will be abandoned. Anyway … that’s what I hope.

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    • lovemygirl says:

      I’m a bit slow but the first quote was true and the second due to BGI correctness?

      “[Zimmerman] certainly can’t get a fair trial prosecuted by the terrible, terrible prosecutor who is bringing this case to trial,’’ Dershowitz told Malzberg.

      “Look, Trayvon Martin was a victim who shouldn’t have died and in my view there’s a lot of moral responsibility on the shoulders of Zimmerman.

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      • think hes walking the line, saying enough, but not so much that corey goes schitzo on him again.

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        • John Galt says:

          I think he is way past the Corey provoking line. “unethical, borderline criminal” “not a good prosecutor”

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        • jello333 says:

          Ha! ;) If he’s biting his tongue to some extent, it sure ain’t because he’s scared of Corey. I think he WANTS her to “go schizo” on him again.

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      • John Galt says:

        Dershowitz is simply telling the truth.

        “in my view” That is simply Dershowitz’s opinion on morality. Dershowitz is, however, intellectually honest enough to separate his opinion from the law and facts of the case.

        Another example of Dershowitz’s intellectual honesty. While being anti-gun, Dershowitz is against watering the 2nd Amendment. He recognizes the supremacy of the Constitution and has stated that the 2nd Amendment would need to be amended. Compare with Zero, who thinks he can grab guns via executive order.

        And no, Dershowitz is not afraid of Corey, or anybody else, as far as I can tell.

        “Randall Adams of The Harvard Crimson writes that, in the spring of 2002, a petition within Harvard calling for Harvard and MIT to divest from Israel and American companies that sell arms to Israel gathered over 600 signatures, including 74 from the Harvard faculty and 56 from the MIT faculty. Among the signatures was that of Harvard’s Winthrop House Master Paul D. Hanson, in response to which Dershowitz staged a debate for 200 students in the Winthrop Junior Common Room. He called the petition’s signatories antisemitic, bigots, and said they knew nothing about the Middle East. “Your House master is a bigot,” he told the students, “and you ought to know that.” Adams writes that Dershowitz cited examples of human rights violations in countries that the United States supports, such as the execution of homosexuals in Egypt and the repression of women in Saudi Arabia, and said he would sue any professor who voted against the tenure of another academic because of the candidate’s position toward Israel, calling them “ignoramuses with PhDs.”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

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        • mung says:

          I think he was trying to say that whenever you take a life that is something you have to live with the rest of your life. The fact that George could have done some things different that night will weigh heavy on his soul. That does not mean that by the standards of the law he is guilty though.

          Think of it this way, you get into a car accident that kills someone, don’t you think the rest of your life about it? Don’t you ponder that if maybe you had paid a little more attention to the road, or if only you had decided to get the milk before going to the bank, that maybe things would be different. It doesn’t mean you are guilty by any means, but you being a normal human, will have that life on your mind for the rest of your life.

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      • jello333 says:

        Pretty sure there’s still a lot of stuff in this case — stuff that WE know by heart — that Alan doesn’t yet know. Anyone have an email for him? I have a couple things I could tell him that might help.

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    • ottawa925 says:

      I sent Professor Dershowitz an email thanking him for doing that interview, and saying that I’m sure we will see more of him once this case heats up. I also told him his comments were insightful. What I had in mind with “insightful” was the part where he says the case STARTS when they were on the ground and George had to defend his life. That’s where it starts. Period. It’s not the getting in or out of a truck, or walking or talking. It is when he is under Trayvon. <<< I like that. that certainly cuts through all the BS. But we know we will have to endure the BS in order for them to paint George as a certain kind of person, then defense will do the same with Trayvon. They will cancel each other out, and we are right back to George being under Trayvon with the decision to shoot or be seriously injured.

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  7. everyone should stop by ricki lake facebook or twitter or anything else, post she should have robert on. “equal time”. i posted some things earlier:

    The Ricki Lake Show · 108,885 like this
    3 hours ago ·
    If you could change your name, what would it be?

    I AM George Zimmerman it would be george zimmerman. because your show lied
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    I AM George Zimmerman @rzimmermanjr on twitter. have him on your show. the truth needs to be told. you gave the martins air time. give the zimmermans equal air time. the case is a fraud upon the people. a media creation. the people that had you have them on….the ryan juli…See More
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    I AM George Zimmerman did you know they went on dr phil, and jahvaris scott/fulton was captioned as “jahvaris martin” and told lies about how tracy martin was a father to him? did you know Jahvaris replaced Chad Green as his brother…..did you know chad greens father calle…See More
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    I AM George Zimmerman on your own show….crockadile tears….she faked it….she never cried like that speaking about the unveiling of one of her trash can money tours

    i defy anyone to prove otherwise.
    its all out there, all public, no excuses.
    shes unveiling changefortrayvon after facts didnt jive with her lies and she was using the fallacy of “emotional appeal” at the direction of the pr firm….”i hope you havent forgotten about my son”/……she didnt cry the day she unveiled it before the hearing where they didnt want the defense to get tms school or social media, and the state tried to get a gag order….it didnt work…so she came on your show
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    I AM George Zimmerman ^and nice ISO by the way……..its a commercial and you know it
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    I AM George Zimmerman on your show

    1 did you know she didnt even drive to sanford for a week/
    2 did you know it was normal for him? it didnt alarm tracy…he called around didnt find him…callled him his phone was off…he went to bed
    3 there is no evidence of confront chase pursue, all gz did was went to where tm ran from…to keep telling dispatch location and heading…5 minutes later tm is back at the place he ran from till tired (witness 8 )
    4 the HOA talk is because she was trying to sue them
    5 he called chad and said he was on his way back, he never came, chad never wondered where HIS OWN SNACK WAS
    6 “let the police do their job” is a baseless accusation and the amount of info they factually collected in the first week amounts too over 1000 pages of pdf documents, and 10 hours of audio and video
    7 you prominantly display the picture of him aged 12 or their photoshopped gray hoody pic….instead of any picture that shows who george met
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    I AM George Zimmerman dr gabes lies

    1give her a hand, for expoiting her dead son for money.
    2 race issue was manufactured by the martins, their lawyers, their pr firm, and the george soros liberal media. and the president with his racist dog whistle as chris matthews would say “if i had a son he would LOOK LIKE trayvon”
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    I AM George Zimmerman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSXiM_QtceQ
    she is in denial and is talking about 14 year old trayvon. the facts show he was barely around her the last few years. watch her blink rate.
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    I AM George Zimmerman Will Ricki lake do the right thing? Ive been a fan since the start. I mean the 90s. I watched you while the others watched jenny/.
    16 minutes ago · Like

    I AM George Zimmerman so i wonder, in the last year, how many kids named “trayvon benjamin martin” were born due to all the lies that made the name famous? just sayin, there is an “obama meat market” on grand in st louis that opened based on “hes black, we are black,”…..not like he had accomlished anything at the time other than a pr firm style approach to get elected. black is cool, hes young and hip, jay z on his ipod, basketball, weed, cigs…hes uber cool who cant like him, and hes sooooo hawttttt
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  11. consider what this means maybe: (he was what he was?????)

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  12. he said “slushed”

    the eyes.

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    • remember, this is “the older responsible cousin” said tracy and sybrina. hes a druggie, i smoke and i dont look like him till im 1 pint whisky and several xanax,.not that i would ever do that (……)

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        @RIP_TRAY9 Everything happen for a reason.
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  13. eastern2western says:

    good job robert zimmerman! you countered every false point from michel williams. it was obvious that she was blind sided by the racial aspect of the narrative and ignored her journalistic skills.

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    • libby says:

      Thanks for sharing this E2W.
      That was an awesome interview (robert sounds smarter and less hateful than any journalist I have heard in 12 months)

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    • 22tula says:

      Excellent interview. Robert is steady & clear. Michel Williams, not so much. Nice to see photos of George smiling with his brother.

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    • John Galt says:

      @11:50 “laid in wait” “ambush site”. Outstanding. Say it often, say it loud:

      Trayvon laid in wait at the ambush site before attacking Z.

      BTW, where is the 2/26 GPS data for Trayvon’s phone?

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      • mung says:

        If he is saying that definitively, does that mean the defense has some evidence that can prove he laid in wait and didn’t double back?

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        • jello333 says:

          I think it could be either way. Either he hid right after rounding the corner, and waited two or three minutes till George got off the phone. Or else he ran down to his house, came back, and THEN hid, but only for maybe 30 seconds, before jumping George. Either way it’s “laying in wait for an ambush”.

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      • waltherppk says:

        An Open Letter to the State of Florida ……Where are the PING LOGS for the phones involved in this case including the GPS data and exact to the second call times, and if “privacy” concerns are the LAME EXCUSE for not publishing the Excel spreadsheets of the PING LOGS even in redacted form, then WHY NOT PUBLISH the excerpted tabular data in SUMMARY as a publicly disclosed POLICE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT ?

        WHAT IS THE STATE OF FLORIDA HIDING ????? Prosecution theory impeached ???

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      • maggiemoowho says:

        A witness assured BDLR, Osteen and Guy that he definitely didn’t go into the grass and only placed one foot on his patio. They never wrote if they asked him if he was in the grass or on his patio. They just wrote that they talked to him. Could that mean that there was signs of someone being on this witnesses property or patio.
        Page 25 of this discovery release.

        http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/documents-given-to-the-defendant_r.pdf

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    • eastern2western says:

      the gentleman who putted it together is actually dr controversy. I do not deserve the credit for this video. I heard the interview on the npr radio and I can not believe a professional journalist like michel williams still is having false opinions about the whole case despite all of the evidences which have been coming out. During the interview, michel was very hostile toward robert and her tone was very confrontational. However, robert handled the hostility with calmness and a very professionally. good job robert and good job mr and mrs zimmerman because they raised a great kid.

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      • indiethink says:

        I thought the interview help expose the media vested interest in repeating propaganda,
        Robert handled her very well, the comments on NPR reflect the audiences harsh criticism of her bias.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        They raised several great kids. Bobby does such an intelligent fantastic job representing George and the family.

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      “they always get away who is they”….ask sybrina who they is “they killed my son, they are killing his reputation”

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    • jordan2222 says:

      Overall this was a good interview, but she still does not understand that Sean, in a sense, told George to get out of the truck nor do most commentators.

      Sean will testify FOR the defense. He’ll say that he in effect ASKED George to get out of the truck… albeit inadvertently.

      “Just let us know if this guy does anything else.” (TWICE)

      “He’s running? Which way is he running?”

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      • ejarra says:

        I agree that he would be a great defense witness, if the NEN is entered as evidence. I believe he will also say that when he found out that George was no longer in his truck, he never told him to go back and get in it.

        This would go against the crap that is spewed about George being told told to stay in his truck.

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      • janc1955 says:

        I think it’s a little dangerous to try to pin George’s actions on Sean. It sounds like an excuse, number one, and George doesn’t need one. Number two, any reasonable individual who often functioned as a NW person, having called the police about a suspicious character wandering about in the dark, would try to keep visual contact with that individual while LE made their way to his location. It’s just simple common sense for most people, and is certainly something a person would do who had stepped up to try to curb criminal activity in his neighborhood. George felt an obligation to try to keep TM in sight, and he was well within his rights to do so.

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  14. mung says:

    Apparently the latest directive from Trayvonite leadership is to find out who was on NWA duty the night of the incident because they are an accomplice and they were the ones who injured George after the shooting so he could claim self defense.

    So yet another theory and yet another reason to have reasonable doubt about any theory that the state can come up with. Not a single Trayvonite including the one that came here the other day, has been able to give a cohesive version of the events that shows murder 2. With all of these “experts” having such a hard time, how is the state going to present one story in court?

    The prosecution can’t say, well I know it wasn’t self defense because it could have happened this way, or maybe that way, or even that way, but no matter what, it had to be murder 2. Sorry doesn’t work that way. The defense is the only one that can get away with possible scenarios that show reasonable doubt that refute the evidence the prosecution has presented.

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  15. Sha says:

    To George and Shellie :

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  16. Tammy Jones says:

    I live here in Central Florida and I’m sick of all the racial attention this case has received. This past Sunday morning around 2:00 A.M. “Frank Svancar” white, was almost beaten to death by a mob of 7-8 blacks according to eyewitness. This attack happened at “The Tavern” in New Smyrna Beach Florida at closing time. Only one news outlet has identified the race of the attackers as black, The Daytona Beach News Journal. This man lays in a coma at the Halifax Medical Center with, brain injury, fractured skull, fractured eye sockets, and very little if any news coverage.

    The eyewitness said Frank did not fight back and 3 of the attackers one by one took turns hitting him in the head. So was this the knock out game??? She also said no words were exchanged and for no apparent reason they started attacking this white young man.

    We are now on the one year anniversary of the Trayvon Martin Case and I can’t help but wonder if it could be related. Of course that would be only speculation on my part.

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  17. skeptiktank says:

    I think it’s worth noting that Dershewitz said that if he was GZ’s counsel he would object to the introduction of the NEN call tape at the trial. He thinks it is not relevant to the charge of 2nd degree murder. I am so glad to here someone finally at least mention that.

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    • eastern2western says:

      dershewitz is dropping hints to o’mara.

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    • waltherppk says:

      Dershowitz is saying the same thing I have said also, the circumstantial events that were a precursor to the actual altercation are irrelevant to the narrow legal interpretation of the actual altercation which involved close physical face to face distance and physical interaction between the two men. When Martin ran away and Zimmerman lost sight of Martin ….that could be regarded as a “retreat” which would in effect “reset the clock” relevant to whatever interaction had been occurring before that ended by the “parting of ways” which occurred when Martin took off running. The “hide and seek” which happens next is an interlude where choices were being made. Martin could have kept on running and been home safely. Zimmerman could have stayed in his vehicle or walked back to the vehicle sooner. Just saying these things could have happened during the time the two were not in close proximity…..but of course neither of those alternate choice type things happened. The movements of the two brought about an “event” where the physical distance was closed to face to face distance and then an altercation ensued.
      For strict interpretation of the law, the precursor events are disconnected in time from the actual altercation event where the legal claim of self defense arises ….as if the two people were seeing each other for the first time at the Tee in the sidewalk and what happened before has been disconnected as causation involving the physical altercation itself where it is physical acts that give rise to the self-defense claimed by Zimmerman, and legally it is the same as if the two persons were seeing each other for the first time as an entirely “new event”. The preceding events could have bearing on their state of mind, but do not strictly have any bearing on the actual physical altercation which is where the “incident” of physical violence actually begins. Whatever looks or words were exchanged earlier at a distance is irrelevant to the “physical mechanics” of the actual altercation that occurred AFTER a time when these two men were disengaged from contact of any sort. The way the self defense statute applies is the same as if it was just two men walking and encountering each other for the first time, or the hundredth time on a hundred different occasions.

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      • skeptiktank says:

        Agreed. If the charge were 1st degree murder, the events leading up to the altercation might have relevance, as they would speak to intent and pre-meditation, but I don’t see how it applies to 2nd degree. I’m sure the prosecution has a story.

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        • waltherppk says:

          The discontinuity of events with Zimmerman being on the phone with a police dispatcher and knowing an officer is enroute during a time of one call when Zimmerman is reporting movements per instruction and reports losing sight of Martin is going to present an impossible to explain “intermission” in the “pursuit theory” which is the prosecution theory. If there was any “pursuit” it was certainly being kept concealed very well by Zimmerman calmly talking and walking while a dispatcher was on the phone with the conversation being recorded. That scenario on its face does not indicate any nefarious intent by Zimmerman to commit a crime but tend to indicate just the opposite.

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      • jello333 says:

        Wow, Walther. I thought you were an expert only on ping logs and the like! Obviously not. ;)

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        • waltherppk says:

          Actually I am no expert just steadily hollering for that evidence which I strongly suspect has so obviously been not the focus of the media for a good reason. If there is nothing of value about it then why are the media avoiding it so conspicuously? These are not the droids you are looking for, move along, like some Jedi mind trick. Any reporter worth a damn should have been focused on the ping logs for nearly the past year and demanding the publication of that evidence.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            I wonder why the media is not hollering to see the latest discovery.

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            • waltherppk says:

              I wonder why O’Mara isn’t hollering for this incompetent Bozo #2 judge to be removed just like Bozo #1….since there are good grounds to doubt her competency as well as grounds to doubt her impartiality, setting a trial date before there any disposition from an immunity hearing, and denying continuances for discovery delays she herself is enabling. Sending two judges packing, maybe the third time is the charm.

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    • mcbain346 says:

      If it’s a smart jury, the NEN call tape helps GZ. Who would call the police right before murdering someone? No one ever talks about that.

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      • boricuafudd says:

        You see here is the irony, let’s say the call did not have any commentary that the State is using to prove bias by GZ, they would be the ones trying to exclude the NEN call, saying that the call ended minutes before the events for which GZ is charged occurred and is immaterial to the charge. Funny how that works.

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    • libby says:

      Of course, if what zimmerman said on the phone minutes before is of import, than trayvon’s NO_LIMIT_NIGGA tweets ought to be pertinent, too

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  18. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    I came across this while showing my friends how tracys god allows false idols:
    “We got the power to tell the president, the governor, the mayor, the alderman to tell them what they got to do,” Pfleger said. “Don’t wait for them to tell you, you tell them. You’re the church. You’re the conscience. You’re the one that’s supposed to have God with you. If God is with you, then act like it, and stop begging and start telling what you want.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/father-pfleger-memorializes-trayvon-martin-wooden-statue-hoodie-063210176.html

    if that doesnt speak to the BGI component, I dont know what does.
    the messiahs son…..endorced by god himself….the holy lineage…from god to obama to trayvon, black cheezus. jamie foxes lord and savior

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  19. art tart says:

    Just a note on Alan Dershowitz, I have followed his career my entire life.

    If anyone has not seen the movie, “Reversal of Fortune,” based on Alan D’s appeal in the Clos Von Bulow case in the attempted murder of his socialite wife, Sunny Von Bulow, it’s a must see for anyone that has ever followed true crime cases, and convictions until the appeal process ends. Truman Capote even came forward as a 30 yr. friend of Sunny to testify for Dershowitz.

    AD too coined the infamous phrase “a defense is as strong as it’s weakest link” that is used in a lot of cases still today and remains true to any case.

    Another famous quote coined by Dershowitz is: “Judges are the weakest link in our system of justice and they are also the most protected.” Newsweek, 1978-02-20

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz+-

    The skinny on the story of Alan Dershowitz’s APPEAL in the The Claus von Bulow Case.

    Page 20 starts the representation of Deshowitz’s appeal.

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/bulow/20.html

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    • janc1955 says:

      So here’s a bit of useless trivia, art tart. Back in the mid-1970’s, my mother was a legal secretary working in Newport, RI for the law firm of Moore, Virgadamo, Boyle and Lynch (they at some point dropped the Lynch). My mom was Salvatore Virgadamo’s secretary, and Virgadamo was Claus von Bulow’s Newport attorney. She said CvB was rather obnoxious. :)

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  20. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    “the whole damn system is guilty” “100 years pent up rage”

    By Black In Public, Black Out Loud, and Black On Purpose!
    Junius Stinney was the youngest person in America to be executed on death row in 1944 at age 14.
    He was quickly accused by the (white police) of ‘killing’ two little (white girls) with lack of evidence.
    His conviction and sentencing opened and closed in one day.

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      Everybody knew that he done it, even before they had the trial they knew that he done it. But, I don’t think that they had too much of a trial.
      —Lorraine Binnicker Bailey, sister of victim Betty June Binnicker, as quoted by Jones, Mark R., South Carolina Killers: Crimes of Passion, pg. 41.
      Commenting on the 2011 attempt to file a motion to re-open the case, attorney Steve McKenzie said:
      Stinney was a convenient target. But how do you exonerate somebody where there is absolutely no evidence one way or the other? There was only a coerced confession. The confession was never written. It was an oral confession testified to two white officers and told to an all white male jury.
      —South Carolina attorney Steve McKenzie, as quoted by The Grio, NBC news

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  21. art tart says:

    This is the correct link to Alan Dershowitz;s quotes on Judges & Prosecutor’s:

    “Judges are the weakest link in our system of justice, and they are also the most protected.”

    “The prosecution wants to make sure the process by which the evidence was obtained is not truthfully presented, because, as often as not, that process will raise questions.”

    http://thinkexist.com/quotes/alan_m._dershowitz/

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      “I have concerns about some of the language that is being used because i saw this myself in the late 70s in San Francisco, this king of rhetoric. … It created a climate in which violence took place. … I wish we would all curb our enthusiasm in some of the statements and understand that some of the ears that it is falling on are not a balanced as the person making the statements may assume.”

      nancy pelosi lying about the tea party in light of the fact of the lefts use of trayvon to promote racial divide…and their own occupy matching the violence of the civil rights era…tear gas and rubber bullets and all.

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      “A judge steps out of the proper judicial role most conspicuously and dangerously when he or she flinches from a decision that is legally right because the decision is not the one the home crowd wants.” Ruth Bader Ginsberg~ in Women in American Law, 1996

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      • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

        ” a fox should not be of the jury at a gooses trial” Fuller 1732.
        There can not be any blacks on THIS states jury of 6.

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      • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

        “The Jury, passing on the prisoners life, May in a sworn twelve have a thief or two, guiltier than him they try”
        shakespear, Measure for Measure

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  22. jello333 says:

    Just starting to read.. trying to catch up.

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  23. eastern2western says:

    the martins are stretching their 15 minutes little too thin at this point. Unless there is a dramatic turn in this case, people will forget about it a year from now.

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  24. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    He believes that George is now “pretending to be mexican”… yes he used those exact words.

    what was that about his myspace?

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  25. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    threats??? from the martins themselves? could be…gz cant know….no real names.

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  26. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    holy crap “the honorable trayvon”

    http://via.me/-a3u8bpk

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  27. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    check out this one….the url….”trayvon martin at 17″ who thinks this looks like a 17 year old>???????

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  28. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    Its time omara accuse them of tainting the jury pool with these images….its a pr marketing ploy to generate income. the images used are polluting the jury pool.
    its time for a gag order on crump and natalie and global grind. they must be stopped if this case will end without riots. they already developed the network for their USA scale flash mob.

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    • IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

      and remember, crump is a party to the case said the judge, so he is manipulating the jury.

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      • libby says:

        I am trying to figure out how you could be george zimmerman since i am him (not really, just funnin)….crump is now officially a surrogate of the persecution (you are correct, 110% at least)

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    • jello333 says:

      I may be the only person still saying this isn’t going to a jury, but let’s forget about that. I’ll pretend it is.

      Ok, so about the jury tainting because of the pictures and stuff…. there’s a simple fix that MOM can do within a minute of the start of the Defense’s case at trial. Just stand in front of the jurors and hold up the big picture of George in orange, as the MSM first showed him. “If you haven’t followed this case recently, this is who you probably believe was involved in the confrontation on February 26th”. And then switch the picture to the one of George the night of the shooting, “But THIS is who was actually there that night.” Then do the same thing for Trayvon, first with the Hollister picture, and then switching it to the 7-11 picture. MOM lets all that sink in, and only THEN prodeeds with other stuff. But first and foremost, make sure the jury knows the REAL sizes and looks of the people involved.

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  29. Who does this remind you of?

    …Harris, whose Internet posts show him with fists full of money boasting of a high-rolling lifestyle with prostitutes, was the subject of the multi-state search after the Feb. 21 attack at a neon-lit intersection that’s home to posh casino resorts such as Bellagio, Bally’s, Flamingo and Caesars Palace…..

    Vegas shooting suspect arrested in Los Angeles

    http://news.yahoo.com/vegas-shooting-suspect-arrested-los-angeles-213731184.html

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  30. jordan2222 says:

    All of this continued garbage about “If George had not got out of his truck”.. is what should be debunked with FORCE.

    Robert has subtly began to explain that in various interviews but he should be more emphatic because most of the time, the person he is talking to STILL does not get it.

    On 3 occasions, Sean asked questions that George could have only answered if he got out of his truck. That may not have been Sean’s intention but George obviously was trying to be helpful and to answer his questions which was impossible to do by just sitting there.

    “Just let us know if this guy does anything else.” (TWICE)

    “He’s running? Which way is he running?”

    It would sure be nice if someone could pin down Sean in a public interview. That will not happen but geesssh, can we find just one reporter to focus on this aspect of this case instead of the same old talking points?

    So the story should be… “This entire thing could have prevented if Sean had told George to remain in his truck and do his best to keep an eye on Martin until the cops arrived.”:

    You can twist this a dozen ways but it’s time to change the narrative to the opposite of the popular, well rehearsed choice of words that so many of them use. That might also include some of those who believe George is innocent. I often hear supporters say it does not matter and George was still within his rights but the truth of what Sean actually said is a much better response than dancing around that little aspect of the law.

    Doncha think?

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    • jello333 says:

      Yep, I agree completely. Maybe the way to debunk it is to say something that might “make news”, and get attention beyond the actual interview. Like the next time someone says, “he was told to stay in the truck” or something like that, Bobby (or whoever) should just say, FORCEFULLY… “That is a LIE.”

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    • ejarra says:

      I know I’m beginning to sound like a broken record, but I’ve been going to the next level with this. Not only did he NOT tell him to stay in his truck, but once he found out that he no longer was in it, he did NOT tell him to get back in it. Implying that it’s ok leave his vehicle.

      Maybe I’m the only one that sees the importance in this double statement. IDK.

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      • boricuafudd says:

        Never thought about it that way, but you are 100% right. He never told him to go back.

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      • skeptiktank says:

        George was under no obligation to call the NEN to begin with. If he had not called, and got out of his truck to keep an eye on someone he thought was acting suspiciously, would that make him innocent, because there would be no police on their way. What if he had been walking through his neighborhood instead of driving? Would he have been required to keep walking in the same direction so as not to arouse suspicions in the suspect that he was following him? This entire case is ridiculous. He could have been chasing TM while shouting racial slurs, and it still wouldn’t have mattered. What matters is that he was under assault and feared for his life. And, there is an eye witness.

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      • jordan2222 says:

        We are both on the same team about this and I think it has been ignored for far too long. I contend that George fully believed Sean wanted him to get out of the truck.

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        • ftsk420 says:

          Did Sean even know George was in a vehicle cause I don’t think he did

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        • ejarra says:

          I don’t know if Sean wanted to leave the truck, probably not if he knew he was in it. However, he should have able to clearly hear him leaving a vehicle with all the sounds associated with that movement happening. It’s just that later in the conversation, it is definitely apparent that George did in fact leave his vehicle and Sean never told him to get back in.

          My point was that if there is anyone here reading this who wants to correct the phrase, “He was told to stay in his truck.”, they should not ONLY say, “He was never told that.”, they should also ADD, “Sean also was never told to get back in it.”

          You correct them with not just one barrel but with two.

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          • jello333 says:

            Just wanted to let you know that I totally get what you’re saying. We’ve made a point for months now that Sean (or anyone else) never told George to not get out of the truck. But in addition to that, Sean (or anyone else) never told George to GET BACK IN the truck. It’s true that, at first, Sean may not have been aware that George was in his truck. But it’s absolutely clear that LATER ON he was aware that George had gotten out of his truck, and was now standing around somewhere away from the truck. And despite this, Sean never even hints that George should return to his truck. So yeah: 1) Sean NEVER said don’t get out of the truck. 2) Sean NEVER said go back to your truck.

            (But as Chip and others will point out, all this is LEGALLY irrelevant. But to my mind, it’s still important, to show that George really did NOTHING wrong, legally or otherwise.)

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            • ejarra says:

              “(But as Chip and others will point out, all this is LEGALLY irrelevant. But to my mind, it’s still important, to show that George really did NOTHING wrong, legally or otherwise.)”

              Legally irrelevant = true. But this is the states case, which is why BLDR said that he was told to stay in the truck. And this is the MAJOR talking point of all Trayvonistas. Hence, the reason for the double correction.

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              • jello333 says:

                Right. Like so many other details of this case, there’s more than one reason we should try to destroy the narrative. Most important, of course, is whatever can be used against George on the legal issue of self-defense. But in the long run, there are many other things that can be just as important. There are many other details that people like to say, “Well, maybe that wasn’t illegal, but it was still wrong, stupid, immoral…” etc, etc. It’s THAT kind of attitude that we also need to try to change. Because once this is over, George needs to not only be considered “not guilty”… he needs to be considered “INNOCENT”, in every way, shape, and form. Only if that happens — at least in the minds of the vast majority of sane people — will George and family ever again be able to have some semblance of a normal life.

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            • doodahdaze says:

              It does not appear that anything in this case could be called rational. It has become detached from reality.

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  31. ottawa925 says:

    Actual story. I’m outside and see someone suspecious. Won’t go into my definition of suspecious but for someone who has lived at the same location for 40 years I think I know suspecious when I see it. I’m on the inside of my yard, and on phone with police. Because of landscaping I cannot get a clear view of which way they went. To police: I’m going to look to see if they went down the alley. Dispatcher NEVER told ME don’t do that. Don’t look down the alley. I looked down the alley and could see the person further down, reported the direction where and the direction they were going and that was it. However, I also may have seen that same person from the alley cut through a gangway. Once off phone with police they could have circled back at me. If he/she did that, and I was taken by surprise and ended up taking their life to defend mine … ??? !!

    The point is Trayvon had plenty of time to go home. He didn’t. He wanted to fk with someone so he could tell a good story.

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  32. IAmGeorgeZimmerman says:

    check out all the real credible threats. and how the lies persist:

    Black In Public, Black Out Loud, and Black On Purpose!
    George Zimmerman remains in hiding and “can’t go out in public without wearing a disguise or body armor,” defense attorney Mark O’Mara told CNN.

    Dustin Allen I know some shooters in Florida that’s waitin on that ass
    9 hours ago via mobile · 3

    Jay Richardson His Day will come…. I’m tired of waiting.. where is he… Come out and play…..
    3 hours ago · 1

    Jasmine Washington Who the hell cares and that dumb bitch better keep it that way unless he wants to be laid out in a ditch somewhere he better be lucky his ass breathing and trayvon’s parents don’t put a hit out on his bitch ass fuck Zimmerman !!
    6 hours ago via mobile · 1

    Sean D Jackson Fucking bastard I hope they kill his ass….ASAP!!
    4 hours ago · 1

    Al Malik Sharif FUCK that cracka!!!!!!
    4 hours ago via mobile · 2

    No Named Persons So what. Fuck him. I’m glad he feels scared. Let his ass come thru the hood now lol. We feel that way when the cops come in force against Blacks. You lucky you not in jail yet. If he is free, then somebody will kill him.
    9 hours ago · 3

    Ebonee Queen He should be dead! What’s the fucking hold up?
    9 hours ago · 2

    Ferdinand Thomas If he gets off, he needs to move to another country.
    9 hours ago · 7

    Ammar Adam BLAST HIS ASS SOON!
    9 hours ago · 4

    Benjamin Mobley The powers that be will not allow him to be found not-guilty for fear of the largest race riot in the history of this country!!!
    9 hours ago via mobile · 8

    Jacqueline Kenyanqueen Rusteau ARE we supposed to feel SORRY for this asshole, because he has to wear a disguise?
    9 hours ago · 6

    Troy Styles III I still believe in a firing squad. They should shoot his ass up!!! Rent a cop wannabe!!
    9 hours ago via mobile · 6

    Iam Bask That’s what happens when you murder our kids in cold blood! He lucky nobody has turned their back and put him in a room with Travon’s father!!
    9 hours ago via mobile · 8

    Lisha J St Fort WTF is he still walking the streets?? WTF
    9 hours ago via mobile · 8

    Taurus L Fowler GOOD! Fuck ZimmerBITCH.. I dont have NO PITTY, REMORSE, or SIMPITHY for this Dirt hearted, Simple minded, excuse of a man…. HE DESERVES shit to be 1,000,000 x’s WORSE for his Child Killing ass… TRAYVON DIDNT HAVE ANY ARMOUR OR A NICE HIDING PLACE TO RUN TOO.. He had a Tea and Some Skittles….
    9 hours ago · 5

    Sevin Therevoltionarygorilla Poet Dead man walking
    9 hours ago · 4

    Dee Doe Good for him! he KILLed a kid, and now in fear of being killed. How does that feel?
    9 hours ago · 4

    Michael C. Gonsalves Dress his ass as a target and plant him on a police range.
    9 hours ago via mobile · 4

    Karissa Douglas His time is ticking fast,body armour or no,God will punish him and all those who are conspiring to deny justice to Trayvons family..
    9 hours ago · 4

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    • jello333 says:

      We had a talk here a couple days ago about using the word “hate”. Well, sorry, but I’m gonna have to say it…. anyone who talks like those slime in those Facebook comments?… yeah, I feel nothing but hatred for them. Sorry…

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      • janc1955 says:

        Are these the fine human specimens I’m supposed to feel white guilt about? Are they the ones I’m not supposed to stereotype, be suspicious of, or protect myself against? Yeah … I’ll get right on that.

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        • jello333 says:

          I have a lot of black friends, in “real-life” and online, and even a couple black relatives. And I can’t even IMAGINE one of them acting anything like that. It’s just incomprehensible. The people we see in those Facebook comments? Yeah, they may be black, but that’s not their overriding trait. No, far more important than their race is the simple fact that they are SCUM. Not sure whether that’s considered a creed, religion, race, nationality, or what…. but yeah, SCUM pretty much describes them.

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          • rumpole2 says:

            Yes. The point is there is not a “scum” gene.. it is not an inherited trait.. so clearly not a racial thing.
            You learn “scum” as you grow up. Some of the scum floating to the surface with this case have clearly done advanced courses in scum

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  33. strat4evr says:

    This is exactly the responses (verbiage) that the involved race baiters have encouraged and through their absence of public denouncement of such hateful and aggressive comments do nothing but knowingly encourage further. Not only the self involved race baiters but even governmental officials as well. The ignorant and hateful comments of “these” people are not as worrisome. The ones who have positioned themselves to manipulate “those” people are very worrisome.

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  34. ottawa925 says:

    Yo guys? and gals? I thought I’d take a lil jab at the other side tonight, so I made a video. The video is aimed at someone you are familiar with .. or should be by now. I hope you get a tickle out of it. I just thought a lil humor could do us all good, but darn I wanted to take this jab for a long time. This goes to the hard work by Dman and Sundance and any others that have created great videos full of factual evidence vs. well the other side’s stuff … mainly by that certain person I’m thinking of. Since this is a public forum I really had to reign in all of my OTHER ideas in putting this together. Let’s be truthful … I had to THROW OUT what I really wanted to do … but this will suffice and pass any censors … tame as a kitten.

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