Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.
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If only Trayvon had kept his hands in his pockets, none of this would have happened.
The Beatles – Do You Want to Know a Secret
So, at best, the most he can do is…prove that what Zimmerman claimed was possible.
There is absolutely zero chance that this “reenactment” can refute/disprove Zimmerman’s account. There are simply too many variables, and too many assumptions, for such a “reenactment” to be definitive.
But hey: at least the “reenactment” video will be set to some cheesy music!
They don’t really seem to comprehend that no matter how many ridiculous scenarios they can dream up, “beyond a reasonable doubt” means *eliminating” any reasonable ones that don’t show the accused is guilty.
dang, you beat me, only by seconds though.
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grrrrrr
I’m not around much…..tooooo dang frustrating. The injustice I see all over the place is a great big crazy maker. Frustrating to the max
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My barely 4 y/o grandson is spending the night on Sunday, “b/c Grandma and Sally (my dog) get lonely.” He will love to learn how to do this. It always amazes me how much the little ones can use a PC / I-phone / any thing electronic. I just remind myself they are a generation whose life-ways ARE computerized technology. It really is “what they are born with.” Thanks!
My predictions for today’s hearing.
1) Recordings of Trayvon from Sybrina, Tracy, Jahvaris and Stephen. – Denied with exception that Bernie will get a sample from them and give it to O’Mara. Of course the sample will be inaudible and blasting with rap music.
2) Recordings of Trayvon from DeeDee – Denied, “the poor lass has been victimized by whitey enough already, it’s time to give the poor little girl some rest.”
3) Witnesses addresses – Denied, “ask them at their depositions idiot, I done already told you that” -Nelson
4) Crump deposition – Denied, “r u crazy cracka’, no one questions the Crump!”
That’s funny but it sounds about right. Tomorrow will be very telling depending on what the judge and Omara say. At least George does not have to sit through it.
They are going to say what they said in the motions. The judge is going to say very little other than “denied”. I don’t see this will be very telling.
I meant telling in the context of what we already know. We know where the judge and mom stand. This will just verify it for those who are waiting to see what happens before they believe what is really going on here. I am still shaking my head over the last hearing. The defense should have pitched a fit not sit there like a potted palm.
I would never be accused for a MOM cheerleader or apologist, but in their defense what the Judge did was sneaky, she called for a recess, then adjourned behind chambers and deprived MOM and West an opportunity to really respond.
I used to be one of MOM”s best cheerleaders I took up for him back when nobody liked him much. Then the light bulb came on. Truth wins every time.
True, but that last hearing they were played, badly. They need to be ready this time.
That’s not how I remember hearing that hearing, at all.
As I recall, West asked for a recess for Nelson to read the affidavit, and she denied that request, stating that she was not going to rush through reading a 15-page affidavit. Then once all pending matters were addressed, the hearing was adjourned.
Judge Nelson is not a very brave person. Just speculating but I put her as a passive aggressive person expect a lot of sneaky stuff
How do you get out of bed with such a negative outlook?
The reality is negative, what can I say. I get out of bed just fine, this case doesn’t run my life for goodness sake. Who knows, I could very well be surprised and all will be granted without exception, like I always say, I’m always willing to be wrong.
Do you think there is anything we (bloggers) can do to control the outcome at this point or our we just wasting our time exposing what’s happening?
I don’t liken myself the desire in controlling anything in that regard. I only do what I do and if anyone chooses to listen that is their decision. Don’t get me wrong though, I would like what I do and say to be heard, I want the truth out there but I can’t control what others do.
I don’t need the control, but I’d like to think the voices are heard. The politicians and the main stream media can’t be the final word…it just can’t be. Judge Nelson, look to the defendant who will be there in spirit today and give him every opportunity to be given a fair hearing. Let justice prevail.
“Judge Nelson, look to the defendant who will be there in spirit today and give him every opportunity to be given a fair hearing. Let justice prevail.”
+1
+2
You may well be right.
If that happens… I give up on optimism….
I’m joining you, The Grinch, Ebenezer Scrooge, and Grumpy Cat
Not you too Rumpole!! You want that too! Diwataman???
Not quite yet… but I have gone into EVERY hearing with some optimism… hoping for just a scrap or two.. and ….. NOTHING.
Tomorrow has got to be it…. to continue to expect a different outcome from a Nelson hearing would be insane.
I agree. This hearing will be a defining moment.
+1 and in more ways than one.
That picture reminds me of my cousin and I dressing up the barn kittens in doll clothes and pushing them in the doll buggy. Poor kittehs.
Make good avatar pic for Dman… doncha think?
Lol. tonight expecially. He was really on his soapbox. He said what a lot of people were thinking. He is probably right on. The last hearing I could not believe what happened and how quickly it happened.
I was thinking this one?
http://i1175.photobucket.com/albums/r632/DiwataMan/crumpster-Copy.jpg
I Guess?
Avatar pic is a PERSONAL choice. At RT I even allow people to have……….. dogs!!!
(Of course those people don’t get a share of any cake that is being dished out)
Let’s see
1) Recording from the family- sample turn in to BDLR
2) Recordings from DD- Denied you already getting a sample from the family
3) Witnesses addresses- I have already ruled on this ask them at the deposition
4) Crump deposition- Limited to DD, affidavit sufficient, no further depo allowed or needed, you can ask the family how they found DD, Crump not needed for that
You got it but I want the judge to say it my way, lol.
That will earn you a place with us Grumpy cats
Grumpy it is.
*IF* the outcome is as you describe D-Man, we are going to bring a whole new level of disinfecting sunlight to this case tomorrow night.
Can we have the disinfectant anyway?
That’s a great question. I have been tormented, litterally, by trying to figure out if some of the information (retained) should be made public and to what extent it would affect opinion.
It is always a consideration to carefully work the angles of consequence prior to posting information now knowing that both the defense and the opposition use our research to advance their position. Indeed, knowing that Blackwell used our research in his filing to hide/protect crump, really grated me. But, not much can be done about that.
GZ’s freedom is definately going to be determined by the outcome of the decision on deposition of Crump, and subsequently the response from MoM to a negative outcome.
If Crump is protected by Nelson, we will have no choice but to expose an even more alarming level of corruption behind the scenes that is relatively unkown to all but a very few. If crump is protected, then the pie is already baked.
And….. If the pie is already baked, we will have no alternative than to expose the rot within the baking and we will have to ignore and accept the consequences.
I can keep a secret
I would abide by your decision as to when or whether to reveal it.
Just tell me
Pull the trigger.
Subscribing…
Ooooohhhh…..SD your post gave me goose bumps!!! Is it popcorn time??
Beyond popcorn….. all the way to Twizzlers.
I really should have trademarked that.
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LOL…..sounds catchy huh??
Now that I re-read your posts SD…..I’m feelings a bit queasy and skeered!! This must be GINORMOUS!!! I hope this is in some way a good thing for George but getting the sneaking sensation of….not so much!! :/
What time is the hearing?
11:30 AM EST is what RZ said.IIRC
1:30PM EST
Notice of hearing says 1:30PM
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/notice_of_hearing022213.pdf
I guess that could have been changed? It would be nice to know if it has?
That docket has been right so far but for Shellie’s docket it wasn’t. Hers said the hearing was supposed to be on the 20th but it was the 19th.
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001792A
Did they discuss it in the hearing before last? Ugh, I don’t know.
Tomorrow’s hearing was not discussed at last hearing….
02/20/2013 NOHR NOTICE OF HEARING – DATE: 02/22/2013 – TIME: 0130PM – CTRM: 5D
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/CriminalDocket/case_detail.jsp?CaseNo=592012CF001083A
Right, it says the same in the motion.
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0213/notice_of_hearing022213.pdf
oops I mean notice and you already posted, must be an error or typo on RZjr’s part to say 11:30.
I actually need to decide whether to get out of bed before 5AM or before 3AM
I may not be able to catch it either way, this pessimism is so crippling I can’t get out of bed
so hopefully someone grabs it.
Yes if this hearing goes as you predict… I shall probably not bother getting out of bed at all most days.
But……who will feed the cockatoo?
Quite right!!!!
What am I? A Mouse or a Cat?
I will have to get up… feed the cats… and do a Daily Daft at JQ Post!!!!
Trent will have it uploaded at YT… within minutes.
Oh god no, I can’t bear that voice and commentary, it’s like nails on a chalkboard to me.
You are a real trooper D-man. You can do it. If not, watch from bed.
That means I would either have to drag my bed into the living room or my desktop into the bedroom. Did I mention laziness is a side effect of pessimism?
Yawn, it is not worth the effort, I hear ya.
Get up early and see the Judge Clueless show with the usual cast of characters now joined by the magic act of the Amazing Bruce
Watch as he makes depositions disappear right before your eyes 
Richardson Hearing are probably two very important words nobody will say ….nor mention the GPS data or ping logs for the “heart phone” for 2-26-2012 ….yepper those things will have ninja invisibility ….yet are like the elephant in the room ….everybody smells it and hears its breathing but pretends it just isn’t there…..as the judge nods and winks and agrees ….it’s just another day running the railroad. Toot toot.
I know where the GPS data is.
And the wheels of injustice keep rolling over the carcass that was once a man named GZ.
Ok, D-Man I’ll play
Where is the GPS data?
Up Corey’s dress of course with Crump, Bernie, and the photo of the skittles of course, where else?
In that case they will never be found, Nobody is going up that dress!
It’s probably my not so total recall …..I need coffee
?? Rut roh….. where did RZ state the time?
Yeah the notice of hearing says 1:30 PM (EST) so that is probably correct. I thought somebody posted a tweet or message yesterday or maybe the day before from RZ about the hearing time, and I probably recall it adjusting the time earlier because I am not in EST zone.
Don West should present the judge with an honorary railroad engineer’s cap and a flashlight, the cap will look stylish with her robe …..and the flashlight may help her find her way in the dark.
And out her Chambers if she calls another recess without a ruling.
She could use the hat for her bad hair days.
Crawling around in the dark. Yep, that’s what we’re witnessing here.
You missed your calling Wather, Casey Jones look would be quite the fashion element for her. considering she is attempting to railroad George with a little help from. Her friends. The defense is going to get. The stuffing kicked out of it., regardless the fight continues. I look forward to Sundance ‘s expose. this is 1 of those things that when it’s over it’s still ain’t over.
I don’t know if anyone has asked this previously in any other thread but here it goes:
With as lopsided as the case is, once it goes to trial and IF they find GZ guilty (which I pray to god that he will be set free!!!), would he ever be able to have another trial and somehow offer a “Alford Plea” deal? I don’t want to see something like that occur because he should be free but would their ever be a chance for this to be done or am I looking in the wrong area?
What a coincidence.!!
Legal Lavatory Cleaner and JQ resident legal expert “Teeto” posted about an “Alfred Plea” (sic) Just recently.
Wondered what she was referring to? At RT I opined that in Teeto’s case she probably mean this “Alfred Plea”
Wouldn’t that be nice, for the TM supporters, GZ goes to jail, while claiming his innocence no messy trial. Vindication for all the vitriol.
Good catch!
Please clarify what you mean by this: “With as lopsided as the case”
reposting….omara needs to add this to the list…..demonstrable threats due to the crumps influence on the jury pool via his many media lies:
lyrics:time to put my good on, i got my hood on, Im a dead breed but you can call me trayvon, I put the skittles and the ice tea down, picked up the bullets and loaded up (sounds like traytown), they thought I died, but im livin it, lets get it lifer where da fuck is zimmerman, I heard they wanted to let his ass free I hope he doin life cuz I got the penalty, run up on him after court like hey remember me, pop him in front of camera so the whole world can see, ITS THE MEDIA THAT BROUGHT ME BACK TO LIFE YA SEE, ya mutha fuckas just wont let me be, they compared me to the hottest topic since KONY, posted pics from kids that dont even know me, let me rest in peace, my story’s been told, I hope this song, dont make the radio. (hook Im a dead breed repeated and chopped and screwed)…
theres more but im tired of transposing.
One of the new Sanford chiefs goals? Keep the community safe during Zimmerman’s trial.
“New Sanford police chief talks new job”
@1:54
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/local/trayvon-zimmerman-videos/lyC/
He’s coming from Elgin IL? For those who don’t know, Elgin could be considered a far-suburb of Chicago. It’s on it’s way to becoming a mini-Detroit except that Elgin has been destroyed by Mexicans. Best measure of its demise: housing prices. They are ridiculously low, at the level of some of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago, and continuing to drop. Stately homes sit on the market for 6 months, a year, or even longer because few people want to move there. Gangs and welfare recipients are in the majority now. Once beautiful neighborhoods have been destroyed. Smith was on the Elgin police force for 25 years. There has been NO recovery even though the reporter and Smith allude to one. So why was he hired by Sanford? Is the Sanford City Council in charge of appointing the police chief?
Am I paranoid or realistic? If I were a white person in Sanford, I would move out of there.
Excerpts from this article http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130130/news/701309807/
The offer of employment he received Tuesday comes with an annual salary of $110,469, said Smith, 51, a 25-year-veteran of the Elgin department. His current salary is about $127,000, and he said he is reviewing the offer and needs to discuss it with family.
Smith went to Florida last month for a two-day interview process that included a community forum. He was among five finalists for the job that attracted 76 applicants.
Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. said he and other city officials were impressed with Smith’s “philosophy of policing.” Last week, Bonaparte met with various community leaders in Elgin, including the mayor, city manager and police chief.
Smith was interviewed in Florida by a panel that included Seminole County and NAACP officials, Bonaparte said.
So he was chosen by a black city manager, interviewed by the NAACP (uh, why were they invited?), and he’s leaving a higher-paying post in a city that is 44% hispanic (almost exclusively Mexican) and only 7% black. I am not surprised. I would like to know more about the other candidates though… any hispanics? or whites?
Prediction:
Judge moves trial to Miami Gardens
diwataman – I have some other predictions: 1. Bondi shill Gov. Scott abandons convictions and takes Obama Medicare money. 2. Pushing Obama gun control, NPR shows hazy police station picture of (bloodless) Stand Your Ground shooter … as weepy Trashcan Momma mourns young (photoshopped) son she never raised. 3. Judge seeking next political appointment defends Obama’s long lost “son” by agreeing to deny … wait … Wait! What am I saying? These predictions have already come true!
This must be Obama’s Land … where everything is about JUST US.
Sybrina’s apartment!
If by any chance Judge Nelson does not let “All about the Benjamin”¨Crump be depositioned. It is time for MOM to ask for a special Prosecutor to see who is pulling strings if this is Justice or 2012 get out the Black vote in Presidental election both from Scott and Obama and appease some people for past injustices.
Considering the rotting smell that is drifting across the nation, and knowing that there are bodies stashed–isn’t uncovering the rotting bodies a positive? I think it is.
If Judge Nelson disappoints today, it’s another jolt of reality. I have learned the hard way that when I am dealing with a liar there is no peace in desperately searching for evidence that I am not being lied to. Finding out that the lies are worse than I suspected, more intentional than I ever would have accused the liar of planning, far more damaging than I understood–none of that offsets the benefit of establishing, at a grim level, the reality of just exactly how bad it is. For the truth teller, there really is benefit in how bad it is being fully exposed.
I don’t have much interest in getting liars to accept just enough truth to be able to pretend they aren’t naked any more. Truth has to displace lies, not collaborate with them. If there are lies to be displaced and exposed–that way lies TRUTH. I don’t dare act like I’m a Marine, but isn’t there an ad that shows the Marines always running toward the sound of the artillery? Truth needs to always be running toward the darkness–and not being shocked when the liars huddled in the darkness are exposed. The motivation for truth-telling really shouldn’t be reduced to “this has just got to get better…..” No. It does not. Not if you’re dealing with liars.
The lies that are fueling this mess were not ginned up for the sake of the Trayvon Martin family. They are bit players.
Yes.
Hi Sharon – most of us do not expect to encounter the extensive lying that Crump is doing – and encouragin others to do – specifically DeeDee. This is where ONE LIAR (the prostitute) who lied and accused the Duke students of raping her – created a huge expensive case against three innocent Duke students. In fact, the prosecution (NiFong) found out that she was lying – and HID THE EVIDENCE from the Duke students – so they could be aquited. The Black Grivence Industry, run by “Rev” Shapton kept on “PUSHING IT” by threat of a “Thug Riot”, so Nifong kept pushing – and avoiding seeing the obvious fact that the prostitute was lying. (Any SERIOUS CHECKING – would have proved it). The same is true for the lying DeeDee. The prosecution WILL NOT CHECK ANY PART OF HER INVENTED STORY. But this is IDENTIAL TO THE NIFONG CASE. As long as one person can lie – this BGI will continue to inflict injustice on innocent peopl – at HUGE EXPENSE to the taxpayer. It is time that the lying “witness” DeeDee be put into a lie detector.
myopiafree–I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said. “…extensive lying that crump is doing–and encouraging others to do…” Law-abiding folks seldom expect to encounter those who live by lying and have little experience in confronting them. Crump. Sharpton. Tracy. Sabrina. JJ. Some within the SFB. The focus is on Crump today.
Those whose plans require lying-at-length, and aiding and abetting other liars, are somewhat dependent on those to whom they are lying continuing to try to figure out what the liars are doing, as they are amazed at the depth and intentionality of the lying.
I’m just suggesting that within the situation as we know it, there’s no reason to think that their thus far successful way of doing things is going to change. Intentional liars are like street fighters who got very good at streetfighting while the rest of us were chipping about the business of every day life. Practiced liars run circles around truth tellers until the truth teller consciously understands that what they’re dealing with is not the lies they are aware of, and that’s a difficult conscious understanding to come to.
As I said, I think I agree with everything you said. Especially the second to the last sentence–X100000.
Has anyone seen the pic of Tayvon the crump tweeted. Not a small 17 yr old.
I meant lopsided by the favoritism shown to The Scheme Team instead of showing the truth.
From the FB -
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2013/02/zimmermanniversary.html
Until now, Zorn had been a pretty good voice of reason. But suddenly now he’s joined Team Skittles and he’s promoting some idiot’s book? Zimmerman had plenty of time to return to his truck? If true, what law requires him to be in his truck at all times? What about the so-called scare chile Trademark, who had been “right by” Brandy’s apartment yet minutes later is back at the T he’d passed many minutes earlier? As for the question “who started the fight”, we know who started the verbal altercation: Trademark. Even DeeDee #1 has stated so, and her account agrees with George’s. I think it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think that the person with the most injuries is the one who didn’t start the physical fight. An unprepared person who has been suprised attack would be ill-prepared to defend a punch straight into the face, you know?
I’m terribly disappointed in Zorn.
Watching the hearing now, and seeing the JUDGE argue the positions of the STATE and of ATTY BLACWELL *FOR* THEM! Why are BDLR and BB even IN the court, if the JUDGE is going to argue their case for them? CLEARLY this judge has her mind made up, and will NOT rule in accordance with law.
WHERE IS JUSTICE? NOT IN COURTROOM 5d!
It”s three against one. Nelson, BDLR, Blackwell vs West
Stand your ground’ is a good law, Florida task force says
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – “A state task force has determined that Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” statute is a good law and shouldn’t be overturned.”
“The 44-page report released Friday by Gov. Rick Scott’s office said all persons — regardless of citizenship status — have a right to feel safe and secure in Florida and have a fundamental right to `stand their ground’ and defend themselves from attack with proportionate force.”
“The report recommends that Legislators review standards for neighborhood watch groups. The parents of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer last year, had asked the task force to change the law so defendants couldn’t use it in a self-defense argument.”
“The task force recommends that watch volunteers should be told not to pursue, confront or provoke potential suspects.”
Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/stand-your-ground-is-a-good-law-florida-task-force-says#ixzz2LegPU5Qb
Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection
Report of the Governor’s Task Force on Citizen Safety and Protection
FINAL REPORT
http://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Citizen-Safety-and-Protection-Task-Force-Report-FINAL.pdf
Additional information regarding the study:
http://www.flgov.com/citizensafety/
(apologies for the double post but I decided this more belongs here than there)
Well, we have heard from the schedule nazi: NO DEPOSITION OF BEN CRUMP, but the subpoena duces tecum for voice samples from Jahvarius, Stybrina, Tracy, Stephen and DeeDee GRANTED.
What is that I hear? The distinct sounds of the “delete” and “erase” buttons on a number of recording devices all being “clicked” at the same time? Yes, I believe it is! She even smiled when she approved the subpoenas! Anyone wonder WHY? I DON’T.
http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_120
I’m so tired of the knock out game.
Minneapolis:
….Casey Wolford, standing inside the bus shelter with his headphones on, heard a loud thud, which probably was Gary Vang hitting the glass. Wolford saw the youths attack Vang on the ground before they ran off. “He was very groggy and out of it. He could barely stand. He was stumbling,” said Wolford, who called 911…..
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/192412611.html
…..His mother is ready to open-enroll her sons in suburban Hopkins schools as soon as there is room there. “I have to do what I can to protect my children,” his mother said
Later in the day…
Beaten Henry student admitted to Hopkins
http://www.startribune.com/local/blogs/192592751.html
I think you all might have seen MOM’s Response to Capehart on the gzlegal website? … and then I had posted a Trayvonite’s rant in respone to Mom?
Well apparently Capehart did respond today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/02/22/mark-omara-redefines-stand-your-ground/
YES, MR CAPEHART. YOU MR WHO DOES NOT HAVE A LAW DEGREE, BUT YOU BELIEVE YOUR OPINIONS ARE BETTER THAN A LAWYER WHO HAS YEARS OF CRIMINAL TRIAL EXPERIENCES AND A JD BEHIND HIS TILE. STOP EMBARRASSING YOUR SELF, MR CAPEHART BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GET A LAW DEGREE, PASS THE BAR AND SPEND AT LEAST DECADES IN CRIMINAL COURT BEFORE YOU FORMULATE YOUR STUPID OPINION. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS TWISTING THE LAW TO YOUR INTERPRETATION. THE SYG LAW GIVES LAW BIDING CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IN A PUBLIC PLACE AND NOTHING ELSE SPECIAL ABOUT IT. THE IMMUNITY HEAR PART HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE CRIMINAL COURT, BUT IT WAS NAMED WITH DIFFERENT TITLES. STUPID MORONIC JOURNALIST.