02-06 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

Use this thread as an open thread just for Zimmerman Case stuff. A place to just dump, collect, or discuss general information about the Trayvon Martin VS George Zimmerman Case.

“The sensationalized, fact-deficient coverage of this case has achieved the
desired results. The networks got their ratings. The politicians got their
talking points. And if it means innocent people get caught in the middle of the
racial enmity they’ve fomented, obviously it’s considered acceptable collateral
damage.
Congratulations, geniuses. Job well done. Jim Treacher, The DC Trawler

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171 Responses to 02-06 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. rumpole2 says:

    Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest.

    More of a general observation today.

    As mentioned, it is becoming increasingly rare that posts relate to the case itself rather than side issues and just general mindless, inane hate-speak. When they do address case matters it is the same old daft notions. No debate ensues since they all have the same lynch mob mind-set.

    What is striking is that they post as if lots of people were reading their stuff… when in fact there are probably only about half a dozen people that read and post. There used to be a lot of guests showing as reading the thread (I doubt they were all actually reading) Far more guests than members always. However The Trayvon Zone is closed to guests now, so the total audience is perhaps 6 to 10 committed rabid Traybots.

    They are “preaching to the choir” and a very small choir at that.

    They have made themselves totally irrelevant… I continue with them only for amusement and sport. A few laughs and something to seed our own intelligent discussion on the case and related matters.

    (I’ll quote a post just for fun… but just in the RT Members only thread)

    http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=63&p=21275#p21275

    Random Topics GZ Case Discussion

    http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=584&p=21272#p21272

    …………………………………….. photo cockatoo_zpsd358cb24.gif………………………………………

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  2. justfactsplz says:

    Hang in there George. I am so proud of you and Bobby did a good job as usual on Piers Morgan tonight. I continue to pray for you. You looked like you felt better today. Keep you chin up and cling to your faith in God. Love you guys.

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    • canadacan says:

      Great dignity and class As always from the Zimmerman brothers

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      • canadacan says:

        Hey Sean Hannity And that other loud mouth Bill O’Reilly Why. Dont the two of you cough up about 100 grand To help George out. After all you’re two just regular guys looking out for the folks. This is a noble cause indeed.

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      • justfactsplz says:

        They are all class, from their appearance to the way they conduct themselves. On the other hand you can’t don a designer dress, false eyelashes, and a wig and think you have so much class.

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    • jordan2222 says:

      He was good as usual and attempted to correct the use of “pursued” but Piers would not acknowledge it. Someone needs to forcefully stop the use of that word.. same with “followed” and “confronted” since there is NO evidence to support that .

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  3. eastern2western says:

    just saw the pierce morgan robert zimmerman interview and I believe robert zimmerman needs to take george zimmerman’s bloody nose photo and slap it across the face of pierce morgan and ask him, ” If you were being attack in such manner, would you pull out your weapon and kill your attacker.” that stupid ass limey dared to ask, “if george were not carrying a gun that night, martin would be celebrating his 18th birthday to day?” to robert zimmerman. Then robert zimmerman should answer, “if my brother were not carrying a gun that night, george would be in wheel chairs for the rest of his life while trayvon martin would be spending his 18th birthday in jail.” what a shit bag journalist who still can not see an obvious attack.

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    • Lou says:

      the picture of George bloodied face and Trayvon’s social media pictures needs to go with him where ever he goes.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      That point is easily missed: if the police had arrived 2 minutes earlier, Martin would have been in jail that night, and Tracy Martin’s call to juvy would have been fruitful.

      Martin was committing a felony aggravated battery against Zimmerman – a use of force not statutorily justifiable as “self defense”.

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      • howie says:

        That is lost in space. I have no idea what this trial is about at this point. Whether it was self defense seems like it is not the issue.

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        • Angel says:

          “That is lost in space. I have no idea what this trial is about at this point. Whether it was self defense seems like it is not the issue.”

          Cosign. The issue of self-defense is in the ether. GZ is now just an afterthought.

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        • eastern2western says:

          this trial is a repayment for the 300 years of slavery.

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        • hooson1st says:

          it is a bit confusing because were are at “trial” yet.

          With all the skirmishing about discovery, and lack of discovery, and difficulty getting discovery, I haven’t seen anything yet that supports the prosecution’s assertions justifying the murder 2 indictment.

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    • ejarra says:

      “If you were being attack in such manner, would you pull out your weapon and kill your attacker”

      We need to remember that it was NOT Georgie’s desire to KILL that night. He shot Mr. Martin in an attempt to end the attack. HE DID NOT INTEND TO KILL HIM. That is a huge difference and the KEY to this whole case against him. The state need to prove that the intent behind the shooting was murder. I say it was NOT.

      I mention this because even here we sometimes slip and make it sound like he intended to kill him to get Mr. Martin off of him. We need to watch that rhetoric, please. There are those that wil use those words against us here.

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  4. brutalhonesty says:

    I saw this via “wearetrayvon” official web page:

    http://studentsstandfortrayvon.wordpress.com/

    “Remember that God is always in control and Nothing happens without his permission”

    but they get mad at george for saying the same damn thing?

    also notice all their websites or clubs or whatever are disbanded/abandoned/no participation (even the official facebook jftm page only has 0.4% participation)

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    • lovemygirl says:

      When George is freed, we should play this song.

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      • ottawa925 says:

        lovemygirl … can I try my imagination on this one too …

        Ending of Guns of Navarone:

        Gregory Peck and David Niven = Mom / West
        Germans (The Big Guns) = State Prosecutors
        Anthony Quayle in the hospital bed = George

        and last, but certainly not least

        British Wolfpack Battlehships = The Conservative Treehouse

        In the movie when those guns drop into the sea, you hear the cry of the Wolfpack, celebrating the Big Guns being brought down, That is the sound that will be in my head when we win.

        Slide it ALL the way over to approx. 2:28:00, and then watch to the end.

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  5. Sharon says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/05/Zimmerman-brother-Obama-bullied

    When the President was asked about the Zimmerman case in the Rose Garden, Robert said, “Here was this president, from the backdrop of the Rose Garden, making comments about someone based on his skin color. I think we felt bullied, we were a little let down initially, and that disappointment grew because if you don’t have the support of at least the law on your side, of the most powerful man in the Western Hemisphere reminding the world that it is entitled to watch, reminding Americans that the world is watching and that we will get through this with due process, but instead bringing up statements about his skin color … it was alarming to say the least.”

    Robert went further: “I don’t think a white president would have been able to get away with the same thing from the Rose Garden in an election season.”

    Go, Robert.

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    • lovemygirl says:

      While most think it is just ill manners, I am seeing it for what it really is. The President, the AG, the rest are carrying out the Jackson/Farrakhan agenda right out in the open.

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      • Sharon says:

        Oh, I definitely believe it is anything and everything but bad manners. Time and time again…remember the poor cop in Boston or wherever, who chose the wrong “friend of Barry” to arrest and all hell broke loose on his head, with the twisting of facts and the knee jerk accusations and assumptions. This is absolutely no different. They have something specific in mind they wish to implement, and the minute there’s an opening–off they go.

        They do it so quickly and easily and somewhat “naturally”–and that’s because they’ve been training for it. In their thinking. In their writing. In their conversations. None of this is something that they just recently came up with. They’re implementing stuff Bill Ayers has been dreaming about for 50 years.

        And you notice that in equally “demanding situations” where they don’t care to implement normal, courteous, gracious, leadership-type normal things–they go absolutely flatfooted and look for all the world like they’ve been made “leader for a day” and have no idea what to do: the bodies coming back from Benghazi; meeting with the Queen and being expected to act grown-up; the death of Chris Kyle, Superstorm Sandy; even the New Town shooting–there is never any sense of “normal graciousness” or just plain human response to other people’s pain or difficulty. It’s always all about them–and no matter how horrible or tragic a situation is, nationally or for a few families, they have absolutely no instinct for normal caring, normal solutions, normal “coming alongside”….

        Robert Zimmerman is a great spokesman for the family because he speaks plainly, he speaks to specifics, he always speaks calmly, and he doesn’t pull any punches. He is not fearful. Just seems like a really solid, really good guy, and I’m glad that he feels able to do these interviews. They always seem to be effective, even those where he somewhat has been blindsided–even those he ends up being effective.

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    • libby says:

      I have a cousin and several friends all of whom have skin tones matching George Zimmerman, and I dont assume them automatically guilty due to their skin color

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      • Justice4All says:

        Brown-European?

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      • Sharon says:

        Perhaps I stated something clumsily, leaving an impression I didn’t intend to? In the first two paragraphs of my comment, my use of the word “they” references those of any color who choose to primarily evaluate every situation based on ethnicity or skin color. I was not making any other reference.

        I identify with what you describe, libby–which I think is one reason many of us were really slow to pick up on the depth of what goes on with this stuff, because until obama was elected, it never occurred to me to “think color first” 24/7. Just wasn’t a reference for me at all. Now we have learned, the hard way, that color IS a primary reference for some and we had better understand that as we try to deal with some really ugly stuff that has found a home in the infrastructure of our nation.

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        • libby says:

          Just a white guy not afraid to enter the realm of the AA (if they want us to know how bad racism is, they would make sure they made that message known in their own community with regard to all races, not just their own).
          I am not correcting you in any way, I hope, just adding my story.

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  6. nobaddog says:

    Foolish people thought a black man, Obama, was going to act like a white man. Surprise! The race card is issued at birth and its good till death.

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  7. selfdefenseadvocate says:

    This old song reminds me of Mark O’Mara trying to get “ebidence” from the prosecutor’s office. Look closely and see if you can find the real DD (if there is one).

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  8. Sha says:

    George : We have just begun to fight !!!! Keep your head up and remember we will not give up and we will not go away.

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  9. cmsiq2 says:

    Let me get this straight, the state was able to recover TM’s cell phone, but the records for 2/26 were not provided to the defense? This is ridiculous!
    There also may be GPS location data accurate to 2-100 meters? And the data is gone?!
    Additionally, what other data could have been discovered if the state turned over the data from 2/26. I am fighting mad about this!

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I am very concerned that evidence that was there in the beginning may suddenly come up missing.

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      • howie says:

        Nahhh. Doubt it. It is all there just has to be dug out. Lotta work. State is trying best to keep away under the rules. Defense trying to make an interception. It is all a game to them. There is no animosity. Well maybe a little but they are all lawyers.

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        • justfactsplz says:

          That is good to hear. When the defense proves Dee Dee was not on the phone with Trayvon won’t that be grounds for dismissing the charges?

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    • libby says:

      As bad as the farce was yesterday, it is great to see so many new faces in the treehouse (or old faces come back for a peek)

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  10. maggiemoowho says:

    This may have already been pointed out, but written in the fine print at the bottom of page 4 of Crumps statement sums up the whole purpose for needing DeDe, not that we all didn’t his motives all along.

    http://twitdoc.com/upload/jeffweineros/cjc3rdflcscan20030204002742.pdf

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    • maggiemoowho says:

      I should have said that the “paragraph in fine print” may have been pointed out already. Because we all have known all along why Crump wanted an arrest. Didn’t mean to make it sound like I just had that “smack in the head, lightbulb turned on” moment as to what Crumps motive is in this case. Just didn’t expect to see him admit to it on paper.

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  11. Springstreet says:

    I have been reading, cheering and contributing to the Treehouse for almost a year but it wasn’t until yesterday that I realized: What if BDLR and Crumpster are nothing more than what they are … lawyers? What if their “schemes” are just slimy (but legal) tactics and they really do believe in their case? If so, perhaps you should get ready for this:
    Ladies and gentlemen of the Jury, here are the facts: Trayvon Martin was an unarmed black teenager taking some unknown route back from the neighborhood 7/Eleven when he was profiled by a self-promoted Neighborhood Watch Captain (who claimed Trayvon looked like he was on drugs or something). Trayvon kept walking … innocently … but the unidentified man chose to follow in the darkness. After minutes of being pursued, Trayvon turned and approached the lurking truck, but still the man (who now said there was something “wrong” with this black teenager) did not identify himself. So Trayvon Martin … he ran … but on foot he could not outrun a truck. AND, Trayvon didn’t know if this profiler (who now identified Trayvon as a “Fucking Punk”) had beaten him back to the safety of his little brother’s porch. After minutes in the the horrifying darkness, his dogged pursuer (who is recorded as saying: These Assholes always get away) suddenly appeared. And what was the 17 year old Trayvon to do? Should he have tried to run … and hope to outrun a bullet? No he did not, instead he fatefully chose to use … words. And what did the Plaintiff do … he reached for what was concealed in his waistband. And … AND as Mr. Zimmerman has himself testified, when he twisted his body, his very loaded gun could then be seen! So Trayvon … this terrified teenager and future astronaut could do nothing but STAND HIS GROUND! He punched, he wrestled, he grabbed at the armed racist vigilante’s hands while pitifully screaming for help! But tragically, George Zimmerman reach his assault weapon first and shot this innocent child to death … in premeditated and oh so very cold blooded murder!
    My fellow Americans, this gun violence must stop … a message must be sent. Armed men with records of violence (towards their family and the police) and with mental problems (requiring documented medication), and with sordid dreams of police glory must be kept away from our children. You must find the George Zimmerman’s of the world … guilty!
    Thank you very much. If you have further questions, I can be reached at my hit new ABC series: How to Prosecute a Ham Sandwich! … sponsored by BG Industries and the Obama-World Scheme Park.

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    • boricuafudd says:

      Interesting opening statement, now prove it.

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    • howie says:

      You forgot the part where the killer broke his own nose and bashed in his own head to create an alibi.

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    • eastern2western says:

      lets be honest in here, I believe my hover board theory makes more sense. Yes, zimmerman was able to chase down trayvon without sounding out of breath because he was riding on a hover board. cue the Back to The Future Music, let michael J Fox break through the banner with a gospel choir singing in the back ground and action.

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    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Spring> Crump is a lying sociopath. There are no other words to described him. He has created a totally FALSE story with a “hidden” DeeDee who is willing to lie for him. He has not yet been caught.

      “… What if BDLR and Crumpster are nothing more than what they are … lawyers? What if their “schemes” are just slimy (but legal) tactics and they really do believe in their case?”

      No, Crump believes in lying as a way of life. He believes that by getting DeeDee to lie for him he can make a hell of a lot of money on “Civil Suits”. He figures that he can avoid getting caught. He figures that the will never bright charges against DeeDee for lying. He has now caused the STATE to spend $1,000,000 running after the lying DeeDee, and Geroge $300,000 to defend against this totally cooked lie. Are you calling Crump an honest lawyer??

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      • Springstreet says:

        Hi myopiafree, No, as far as I can tell, Crump is just a scheming ambulance chaser who uses his skin color as a weapon. BUT, what if BLDR doesn’t want to use use Crump or DD? What if he just uses the current gun control hysteria to make Nelson give him a trial? Then, all he needs to do is put on a good show (win or lose he doesn’t care) because this avoids (just) his civil liabilities … and Florida riots.

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    • tara says:

      Crump isn’t just any old hack. He’s got a dream to be the next MLK and to represent the family of the next Emmett Till. A dream so overwhelming that, like the Occupy movement, he acts as though he’s succeeded before he’s really achieved anything.

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      • boricuafudd says:

        Tara, let me propose something to you. The consensus here is that Crump and Julison have engineered both the narrative and DD, but suppose that it was not Crump. Both Sybrina and Tracy have familial connections to the BGI, politically, and thru law enforcement and could on their own have brought on political pressure. Perhaps they needed the help of a Julison to dress it up, but the point still stands.

        As such and considering the Crump’s own ambitions, he could have easily been misled by his people and sold a story that would eventually crumple. In other words, he saw the glory before he saw the case. Crump’s affidavit while self-serving might have a lining of truth to it. It was TM’s family that either saw her at the wake/funeral or didn’t. It was Tracy who found DD. It was Sybrina who spoke to her and convinced her to come forward. It was the family who started the Narrative.

        We have seen what happens to people who place blind faith on things and see only what they want to see, e.g. most of TM’s supporters. Crump found his Emmett Till, a kid from a middle class black family, who had good grades, and was never in trouble with the law, shot while walking home from the store by what appeared to be a white, Jewish or German man. What better case to illustrate the racial divide and gain fame and fortune at the same time. Of course, much of it has been proven false, but how much did he really know in the beginning? How much of an investigation of his clients did he do?

        Just as it looked as the case was going to a Grand Jury, a secret Grand Jury, what little information was exculpatory, not finding a smoking gun, even after forcing the release of the 911 tapes, what happens, voila Tracy decides to look at his phone bill. A minor or young lady, as he describes her now, appear to say a story that completely changes things. Wow, manna from heaven. To me it is possible that he bought the story whole, I think he had his doubts, but his ambitions were greater.

        Just a thought.

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        • tara says:

          Here’s what I think:

          Sybrina and Tracy initially knew that the shooting was either accidental or deserved, but because GZ was “white” and was not charged they felt that there was some sort of racial injustice, hence they hooked up with Crump.

          Crump initially believed that the shooting was racially motivated, but as he sifted through the evidence (aka ebidence) he realized that this was no Emmett Till case. But he knew that the public was stupid enough to be brainwashed by a fairy tale and no public official would dare challenge it, so he set out to twist the facts and present the incident as racially motivated. And when the public so eagerly took the bait, suddenly Crump got $$$ in his eyes. And like you said, when Tracy discovered the DeeDee phone calls, Crump was ecstatic. His excitement is evident in his decision to be FIRST! at interviewing the girl, his lack of care with the recording, and his premature press conference.

          So did the real DeeDee ultimately refuse to cooperate after giving that interview to Crump? When she and her parents heard the excerpt on ABC News they probably freaked! They probably felt like they’d been abused by Crump and they were afraid DeeDee’s name would be revealed. Without DeeDee, Crump had nothing, and meanwhile the defense had all evidence supporting George’s account. So suddenly the new DeeDee appeared on the scene. Is this DeeDee’s friend she brought with her when she went to Sybrina’s apartment for a chat? Such a sensitive discussion needed to be held outside. Sybrina told BDLR that she drove DeeDee home, she wouldn’t have been able to do that prior to Crump’s interview because (cough) he didn’t know DeeDee’s address, so DeeDee’s visit with Sybrina must have occurred after Mar 19. Hmmm. Pam Bondi indicated a lack of cooperation on Mar 27, but just a couple of weeks later Corey took matters into her own hands and charged George. It’s all making sense now.

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          • boricuafudd says:

            We seem to be mostly in agreement. I believe that the family is more involved than have been credited. I also think that Sybrina is taking advantage of the natural aversion most people have to criticize “mothers in mourning.”

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            • tara says:

              I’ll probably agree with you on that point at some time in the future. I have changed my mind about her through this whole affair. I started out thinking that she was a bit of a victim herself, a victim of Crump. At least she’s on record as having urged DeeDee and DeeDee’s parents to talk to the police. I think I started to change my mind about her when Sundance posted the wastebasket photo.

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          • ftsk420 says:

            Sybrina and Tracy initially knew that the shooting was either accidental or deserved, but because GZ was “white” and was not charged they felt that there was some sort of racial injustice, hence they hooked up with Crump.

            I agree to a point I think Tracy believed exactly what the police told him about it being self defense but when he spoke to Sybrina she wasn’t having it. She probably told Tracy it was his fault and he better do something about it. So Tracy made a call to Patricia Jones.

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            • howie says:

              If my kid was killed. The first thing I would do is get a lawyer to try and make money.

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            • tara says:

              I always thought that Sybrina must have been unconsolably angry with Tracy. Tracy dumps Trademark with Brandy and then takes off for the convention, only checks up on Trademark a few times, and doesn’t even bother to look for Trademark until 12 hours after Trademark died ! I’m surprised she could make the public appearances sitting next to him, acting as if she were his wife.

              I gotta give Crump and Julison some credit, they sure know how to take advantage of stupid people.

              Someone should offer the real DeeDee $1 million to come clean. Shall we take up a collection?

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    • jordan2222 says:

      I try to avoid even mentioning the word
      jury. They do make mistakes and that is scary.

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    • John Galt says:

      MOM: Objection, asserts as “fact” allegations unsupported by evidence, argumentative, personal opinion, intended to improperly inflame juror prejudice. Move for mistrial.

      Judge: Granted.

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  12. LetJusticePrevail says:

    ADmin… I sent an E-mail that you might want to read…

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  13. eastern2western says:


    despite my hate for trent sawyer, his channel is the only source for the video interview between pierce morgan and robert zimmerman. pierce morgan is one stupid limey who kept insisting zimmerman was the one chasing after trayvon martin. some one needs to inform this limey about american laws and self defense. May be he should give dershowitz a call and ask him his opinion on this case.

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    • howie says:

      Now, if you were the trial judge in this case? Nelson. Think about it. A court is to seek the truth. The truth. That is what it is all about. This is your last criminal trial. You are heading to divorce court. You are a lawyer and a judge. You can rule any which way you want and it won’t mean a thing in the end. The pressure is coming down hard. From the POtUS down. What to do? I have been thinking about this.

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  14. tara says:

    Sorry to rehash old material, and it probably doesn’t matter anyway … but I’m looking at the 284-page discovery bundle, page 9, the description of BDLR’s conversation with Trademark’s cousin Stephen. Stephen told BDLR that on Saturday night he and Trademark had at some point used Stephen’s brother’s car. Stephen also told BDLR that on Sunday morning he and Trademark had gone to the 7-11 so Stephen could buy a Black & Mild cigar, Trademark “stayed in the car” (so presumably this was still the brother’s car), and then Stephen dropped Trademark off at Brandy’s some time around 8-8:30am. Stephen told BDLR that it was the last time he saw Trademark.

    I find this interesting because Stephen has a brother, and I’m wondering if it’s possible that Stephen’s brother was one of the 3 guys who went into the 7-11 immediately after Trademark was there. Presumably the dude with the hoodie tightened over his face making it look like he was going to rob the place. It could explain why Trademark was able to hook up with these guys, he knew them through Stephen.

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    • tara says:

      Just want to add that Esquire had interviewed Stephen and other relatives of Trademark, and the article stated that Stephen (“Boobie”) had “recently moved near Orlando” so he was definitely in close proximity to Sanford. Where does the brother live? Probably there as well, since Stephen was able to borrow his car.

      http://www.esquire.com/features/americans-2012/trayvon-martin-1212

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    • tara says:

      Again, inconsequential … in a June 23 2012 CTH thread, sybilj mapped out the following members of Stephen’s family from his facebook page:

      Kameron Capers, Brother
      Karon Boss Mitchell, Brother
      Jay Black, Brother
      Kevin Capers, Brother
      Stephen Martin, Father
      Miriam Grimes-Martin, Mother
      Tracy Martin, Uncle
      Patricia Jones, Aunt
      Trayvon Slimm Martin, Cousin
      Mike Williams, Cousin
      Shelby Capers, Sister-in-law

      Man, how many different last names are there for the brothers? Capers, Mitchell, Black, and Martin. Honestly, I’ve never seen such a convoluted family tree as this extended family. Every adult seems to have had children with multiple partners. Is this the norm now and I’m just out-of-date?

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    • Springstreet says:

      tara, On camera, Tracy pointed and said TM came in the back gate to get to Brandy’s porch. Who told him … and why walk all the way around? And remember, Monday morning the first person Tracy called was Stephen. So, since no one viewing security footage has come forward and said they saw TM going or returning from the 7/Eleven, it would make sense that someone drove a typically lazy teenager. (And, correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t there a conflict because Stephen said the last time he saw TM was getting high and shadow boxing on Saturday night!) I think somebody should identify the car (and pants and shoes?) in the Sunday morning 7/Eleven footage. George having identified two different pants and shoes could mean some same sized relatives were up to something … together on Sunday night.

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  15. Angel says:

    “Congresswoman Wilson made the following statement:
    “Today, Trayvon Martin would have celebrated his 18th birthday. We all know the tragic circumstances surrounding his murder: Trayvon was racially profiled, chased, made to fight for his life, and ultimately murdered. Yet we as a nation have yet to take substantive action to stop such a heartbreaking incident from happening again.”

    from http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/index.php/updates-2/15-congresswoman-frederica-wilson-calls-george-zimmerman-a-racist-and-a-murderer

    The lady with the Cowboy Hat is back. Yee haw!!

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  16. tara says:

    Was Tracy with Trademark on Sunday morning Feb 26 or not ?

    O’Steen’s report: 3/26/2012, 9:40am – Myself and Bernie de la Rionda met with the victim’s parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton. Also present were their Attorneys. […] Tracy advised that on Sunday, they were back at [Brandy’s] apartment. He and [Brandy] went out to eat. When he returned home that night, the Victim was not home.

    BDLR’s report: On 3/27/2012, 12:30pm – I, Bernie de la Rionda and John Guy went to [redacted] and talked with talked with [Brandy Green] girlfriend of Tracy Martin. […] [Brandy] and Tracy stayed at the hotel Saturday night and came back home Sunday morning. Trayvon, [Chad], and [Stephen] were sleeping. Later that Sunday evening, [Brandy] and Tracy went out to eat.

    O’Steen’s report: On 04/02/2012, 4:35pm, Myself and Bernie de la Rionda talked with Tracy Martin […] The last time he saw the Victim was on Saturday night after the football game.

    O’Steen’s report: On 4/27/2012, 11:15 hrs, I, Bernie de la Rionda and John Guy went to Sanford Middle School and interviewed [Chad Green]. […] On Saturday night, [Chad] had a football game. After the game, he and the Victim went wiht the Victim’s cousin [Stephen]. They went to [Brandy’s] house and were hanging out. They spent the night there, [Stephen] slept in the garage and the victim slept in the living room. On Sunday morning [Stephen] left. Later in the day, [Chad] and the Victim were watching the NBA Basketball on TV. no mention at all of Tracy or Brandy being at Brandy’s apartment on Sunday morning

    Gilbreath’s report: 5/10/12 1100 hours [Stephen] is Trayvon’s cousin. […] [Sunday] morning [Stephen] went through some boxes of clothing that Trayvon’s father had left for them. He then drop up to the 7-11 to get a Black & Mild. Trayvon went with him and stayed in the car. He dropped Trayvon back off at the townhouse between 8:00-8:30am. [Stephen] then went home. That was the last time he saw Trayvon.

    Nov 13 2012 Esquire article: When they woke up the next day [Sunday], Tracy gave him a couple boxes of clothes he didn’t want and Trayvon helped him carry them out to the car. Trayvon asked his dad, When are we goin’ home? and Tracy said, We’re going home tomorrow. And then it was just A’ight, man. Boobie didn’t even hug him. He feels a little bad about that. Just clapped him up and said, I’ll see you when I get back home.

    I have a strong feeling the Esquire-reported conversation between Tracy and Trademark never occurred. I believe that Tracy and Brandy did return to Brandy’s apartment on Sunday morning, but Trademark, Chad, and Stephen were all sleeping (because they had been up after 2am cooking chicken, according to the Esquire article) so Tracy just dumped off the box of clothes and did whatever else he needed to do there and then he and Brandy took off. More evidence that Tracy’s plans for the weekend had little to do with Trademark.

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  17. ottawa925 says:

    Hey Sanford !!! Don’t put those hoodies up just yet till we find out what happened to these guys:

    Not a word since April 2012. Wonder why … not really.

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  18. ottawa925 says:

    If somebody posted already sorry, but this is MOM on Hannity last night where he mentions last part if they cannot raise funds:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2145073942001/zimmermans-defense-reacts-to-failed-attempt-to-delay-trial/?intcmp=obnetwork

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    • jordan2222 says:

      I have maintained for a long time that they should have filed for indigent status.

      Anyone have any thoughts as to what they are going to do about money now?

      How about an emergency hearing for indigent status? Is that possible?

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      • John Galt says:

        Apparently determined by the clerk, with potential review of non-indigent finding by judge.

        http://www.pinellasclerk.org/aspinclude2/AffidavitofIndigentStatus.pdf

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      • ottawa925 says:

        Not sure how it works. But I would think this would be a good time to do it. MOM could spend what is left right now either to pay outstanding invoices or to retain expert(s) and simultaneously file for the indigent status showing the court that there’s nothing left. If the prosecution wants to drag it’s heels then let the state pay for all the delays instead of George. Since MOM mentioned it on Hannity, I don’t think it will be long before we see something in that regard. I’m disappointed that FOX hasn’t had some regular investigative input into this case. They (unlike MOM) has the muscle to start exposing the inequities and connecting dots like Beck use to do with his blackboard and Obama. If the dots implicate Republicans along with the scum we’ve seen thus far, so be it … i.e., Biondi, etc. This is about TRUTH. This is about our justice system. We already have a President and Administration that thinks it is above the law and the Constitution. A case like this could definitely serve to demonstrate how the justice system has been increasingly breaking down.

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  19. diwataman says:

    That was a really cool feeling that day we saw footnote #2 that said DD was 18. I wish something like that would happen again in this case but all we get is more questions like what the hell is up with the missing phone data for the 26th. Shouldn’t we be answering questions at this point, not adding more on?

    I wonder what O’Mara is going to do now. I don’t think we’re going to see much of anything on the GZlegal case webpage now that they got the smackdown by the judge to pick it up. If they didn’t even have the time to post stuff before, which was often the excuse told to me…cough…hoonson…cough, lol, then they certainly won’t now. That pretty much just leaves with whatever Jeff and Rene tell us, sigh.

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    • nettles18 says:

      I’ll be you an e-fruit that you are wrong. The defense has to communicate the urgency they are under now. Trial date is looming. They don’t have the luxury to ask the State, wait, ask the State again, wait and ask again until a motion to compel needs to be written. Today we learned from the defense they filed a motion for the Immunity Hearing and it’s set for April 22nd.

      I’m looking to the State and their reaction to this. IMO, they are no where near ready for trial themselves. Hell, they just tested the phone this past month and are looking at the data now. What if anything, came to light for them in Crump’s affidavit yesterday? Can you clearly see how the State is going to get a convinction? Do you get the sense, they are ready to rock and roll? I don’t.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Is there a link to declaring that the immunity hearing is 22nd?
        The tentative date set by Nelson is 26th

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      • jordan2222 says:

        Wait.. why would they file for the hearing if it has already been scheduled? I am missing something here.

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        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          The 4/26 date was a tentative date set by the SCHEDULE NAZI, working backwards 45 days from her June 10th trial date. It was the *latest* possible date that she would allow for an immunity hearing. BUT, it was still contingent upon the defense actually filing a Motion for Immunity, which they have now done, Apparently Mark and Don requested Monday 4/22 as a better date to start, rather than starting the hearing on a Friday.

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        • nettles18 says:

          They had set aside a tentative date. Just in case. Today, the defense formally filed their desire to have an immunity hearing.

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          • jordan2222 says:

            Why would they do that after saying that they could not be ready for a trial? Is there another motive for this?

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            • nettles18 says:

              They’ve been ordered to plan for a June 10th trial. If they want an immunity hearing first, they have to file their intent to have one.

              The defense team wanted more time, judge said no so they have to proceed accordingly. Mr. O’Mara said today he hasn’t ruled out asking the court again for more time when it becomes clearer what all needs to be done.

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      • diwataman says:

        Hmmm, let me be clear on what I’m saying then we’ll talk about bets. When I say “anything” or “stuff” I’m talking about actual discovery and filings posted in the Documents section, not just any old thing they want to post.

        I’m thinking we might see one day something is posted for the rest of this month in that section, at best two. I’m thinking the same for the next few months for each month until the trial in June. So maybe around ten days total over that time span we’ll see something posted. I’m thinking around 15 items posted at best.

        Then there is the question of quality and reciprocal discovery. While it’s nice to see who got deposed when in a Notice of Deposition that certainly pales in comparison to actual discovery. There is still a whole bunch that O’Mara never posted that he said he was going to from all the discovery that the state has given to him. Then the really good stuff; Reciprocal Discovery. Where is it? Oh sure, we got a list but so what.

        I’m thinking we may actually see nothing of any real quality over the next few months.

        “From now on, we will post ALL public documents associated with the Zimmerman case, including motions filed by the defense and the State, as well as orders filed by the Court.” -O’Mara

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        • nettles18 says:

          So let’s hold off betting. I think you are right.

          We must give credit where credit it due though. If it weren’t for Jeff Weiner of the OS posting Mr. Crump’s affidavit, we still wouldn’t have seen it. So thanks for that Mr. Weiner.

          A person in my facebook group asked the legal team about the depositions and if we get to see them. She was told that the depositions would not be part of discovery. I’m not clear on why that is.

          I agree, they are picking and choosing what gets posted. That will likely continue.

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        • jello333 says:

          I hear ya. And it’s true that MOM said he was gonna post everything, and it’s true that the “sunshine” rules apparently say everything should be out in the open. But maybe MOM and West have decided for some reason that it’s best to keep some things under wraps for awhile? Their “work product”, as it were… stuff that is gonna, in some way, be linked in with something else they’re up to, and they don’t wanna yet publicize that. I’m thinking along the lines of what Sundance has said a few time… about how there’s some things that he (and I presume the admins) knows about this case that they’re not yet able to put on the front page.

          This would make a lot more sense than them just “not having the time” to post stuff. I really don’t see how it could be very time-consuming. So anyway, I don’t know… maybe. Possibility?

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          • diwataman says:

            How about a color photo of the Skittles? Can I at least see that? Is that really going to win the case for O’Mara.

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            • jello333 says:

              Hey, you may be totally right. Maybe there really is no good excuse for how they’re handling the postings. You could very well be right…. I was just throwing a POSSIBLE explanation out there. Who knows. Oh, as for the Skittles, it’s been a long time since I watched your 7-11 video with the closeups and all. I can’t remember if it was clear…. was it regular Skittles, or the all-purple ones?

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  20. ottawa925 says:

    Breaking news Chicago … 18 students arrested Proviso West:

    Watch the video

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/18-proviso-west-students-arrested-suspended-over-school-brawls/

    Like animals.

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      I like the way the mother being interviewed says “anybody can get in their” as if it it is OUTSIDERS causing the problems. NO LADY IT IS KIDS LIKE YOURS WHO ARE DOING THAT!

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      • jordan2222 says:

        I notice you are doing a great job over at HuffPo. Good for you. I rarely post anything there now except for links and even that is very rare.

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        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          For a while I thought they were going to ban me for posting links to George’s Legal Fund! I stopped posting those links there, but every time I read an article elsewhere that allows for comments from readers, I put in a comment asking for donations to George’s Fund!

          I also reported a number of THEM for a scheme they devised to deplete the fund, which I don’t want to spell out here. I don’t want to give any MORE of them a tutorial!

          IMMUNITY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN!

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          • jordan2222 says:

            “I also reported a number of THEM for a scheme they devised to deplete the fund, which I don’t want to spell out here.”

            That is worrisome.

            Keep up the good work.

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  21. BigMamaTEA says:

    Everybody seen this?
    H. RES. 55 – Introduced 2-05-13 by Ms.Fredericka Wilson

    Honoring the life of Trayvon Martin, urging the repeal of Stand Your Ground laws, and calling on the United States Government to address the crisis of racial profiling.

    Ms. WILSON of Florida (for herself, Mr. CLEAVER, Mrs. CHRISTENSEN, Ms. SEWELL of Alabama, Mr. RUSH, Ms. LEE of California, Ms. JACKSON LEE, Mr. RICHMOND, Ms. CHU, Ms. BROWN of Florida, Ms. NORTON, Mr. CONYERS, and Mr. DANNY K. DAVIS of Illinois) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres55?utm_campaign=govtrack_email_update&utm_source=govtrack/email_update&utm_medium=email#

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    • jordan2222 says:

      Unbelievable!!!!

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      This is the last section on the Pink Hat Lady’s resolution:

      urges the United States Commission on Civil Rights to seek to elevate the social status of Black men and boys by undertaking studies to understand and correct the underlying causes of higher rates of school expulsions and suspensions, homicides, incarceration, poverty, violence, drug abuse, as well as income, health, and educational disparities among Black males.

      So, she wants MORE taxpayer dollars to be spent trying to determine what we ALREADY KNOW?

      The only thing I liked about her resolution is that the prediction is it has only a 7% chance of getting past the committee!

      The MAJORITY of it is a litany of lies about the night of 2/26 that should make her the subject of a slander suit by George Zimmerman!

      WHO VOTES FOR THESE NITWITS?

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  22. Lou says:

    good point by Todd regarding GPS data http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxD87VnFSW4

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