BGI/State/Feds VS Zimmerman – February 5th Full Hearing Video

We’ll provide a few considerations at a later time.   For followers of the case here is the full hearing video.

Attorney Crump is attempting to avoid being deposed. Subsequently he prefers, upon the advice of his counsel, to just provide a written statement.

You can read the Crump filing HERE

Additionally, we will begin research of Crump’s attorney to see where he intersects with the players, and what his historical attachements are etc.

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176 Responses to BGI/State/Feds VS Zimmerman – February 5th Full Hearing Video

  1. partyof0 says:

    I’d tell the Judge right out….Dang!!….Judge….that’s such a good affadavit…who needs depositions when someone is on trial for his life….defense rests…we’l just take everything at face value….that’s truth, justice and the Florida way….

    • John Galt says:

      We might see a defense attack on Crump’s affidavit in connection with a motion to compel Crump’s deposition. I have doubts about the accuracy of Paragraph 30.

      • The problem is that there is no evidence to show that it has been edited or parts were erased. The given excuse for why there are 12 minutes “missing” from the recording when compared against the times of the phone calls, will be deemed satisfactory. As much as we may want to get justice for what the Scheme Team has done, it will likely never come. In my opinion, the deposition of DD has always been the most important aspect. Once the Defense is able to question her, the holes should be too apparent for even this Judge to miss.

    • I agree this is a disgusting excuse for a criminal proceeding and the Judge is worthless, in my opinion. As someone that lives in Florida, it is depressing to see my state dragged down even further. Unfortunately, this is not something that only happens in Florida.

  2. ZurichMike says:

    Sounds like it was not a good day for the defense.

    • Justice4All says:

      Black history month.

    • jordan2222 says:

      There is something seriously wrong with this judge.

      • jello333 says:

        Either she’s “in on the fix”, or she is the laziest, “slowest” judge I’ve ever seen. She should be thoroughly embarrassed.

        • brutalhonesty says:

          I often wonder about these “presents” natalie talks about….they never reveal anything about gz….so all we are left with is bdlr repeats their narrative because they are his surrogates..and maybe the implication she knows beforehand what the judge will be ruling on….All day long the trolls were making a big deal out of the continuance denial as if it cant be asked for again and granted later, say,…closer to trial “your honor we are still not prepared just as we told you we would not be ready…but you didnt listen then.”

          • jello333 says:

            Yep, a continuance will pretty much have to be granted if things don’t change. “We’re still missing tons of evidence that my client needs before we go to trial. The Constitution itself prevents you from forcing us to go to trial before we’re ready.”

  3. maggiemoowho says:

    Was an officer in the USAF and he initiated the first interracial council on any USAF base. His Bio.
    If this was already posted on the other thread I apologise.

  4. rumpole2 says:

    It would be a lot quicker and easier if they did away with depositions. Just ask people to write a short outline of what it is they anticipate they will be asked, and what they are prepared to answer.
    It would cut out the need for all this Deeposishun stuff.

  5. rumpole2 says:

    I am still perplexed about the Guttman tape(s)
    That subpoena was, I thought, the subject of the motion first prosed along with motion for for today’s hearing. It was not mentioned in court, and not mentioned in Sentinel report of the hearing. I expected at least a “It wasn’t mentioned because……” sentence?

  6. Lou says:

    regardless of what he wrote, we’d like to depo him. we’d like to depo him. we’d like to depo him.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      And by the way: we don’t have to ask your permission first, Judge Nelson. Refer back to Rule 3.220 that you so obtusely read in court, and then completely mis-applied.

      • jello333 says:

        That’s why I’m still so confident in the eventual outcome of all this. There are laws, there are rules, there is precedent, there is the Constitution itself. The only way this case could turn out wrong is if ALL of them were ignored. And if that’s the way it’s gonna go…. then what’s the point? What’s the point in any of us even debating this? What’s the point in us, or anyone else, debating ANY case, anywhere in this country. Just make it up as you go along, toss a coin, and see what happens. And of course, as Sharon and others have said, it’s much bigger than this single case. If NONE of the “rules”, all the way up to the guarantees in the Constitution itself, matter, then just forget it.

        So no… I refuse to believe that.

  7. John Galt says:

    Who has the link for the InSession video clip where Vinnie asks Crump if he edited the original recording of W8?

  8. diwataman says:

    Just to be sure I have this right on the motions mentioned by O’Mara that were supposed to be heard today:

    ABC – ?
    711 stuff – granted with confidentiality
    FDLE biographies – ?
    Continue – denied
    Specific discovery – blackhole

  9. eastern2western says:

    see you in applate court! Judge Nelson. well , her decision is not finalized yet. No point of lowering your head.

  10. El Gordo Loco says:

    Judge Nelson would have rejected anything handed to her last minute by the defense team, stating it needs to be filed through her office 48 hrs prior before she will even look at it. Crumps attorney slides filing in during court an Nelson says no problem, deposition postponed till she reads it, moments after denying defense a postponement of trial.??

  11. ottawa925 says:

    14. his clients identified male voice as Trayvon’s calling for help. Noooooo we have someone who heard Tracy say that IT WAS NOT his son’s voice, and this is just one example of why Crump needs to be deposed. He is pushing this Affidavit like it is the truth … whole truth … and nothing but the truth. But EVIDENCE suggests otherwise. Depose his ARSE !!!!

    18. At time of interview he did not know the address of W8? Why? Isn’t that one of the very first things you are asked? Why – Depose his ARSE !!!!!

    20. Why didn’t he identify by name Gutman’s assistant? Since media are not officers of the court and can do what they like with information, was there some kind of paper that Gutman or assistant signed in connection with the interview of this highly private secret W8? to ensure that media Gutman/assistant were going to keep everything confidential? Depose his ARSE !!!

    21. Had no knowledge of who was present WITH W8? other than parents? Why didn’t he ask if there was anyone else present? Wouldn’t he want to know that. How does he know that Sean Hannity wasn’t sitting there with W8? Depose his ARSE !!!!

    24. While he knows Gutman had his own recording device he has no knowledge whether their device was successful in making a recording. Did Gutman in the presence of Crump press the record button on his device? Did Crump see him do it? Did Gutman lie when he said he had the ONLY recording? (compare the two tape recordings ) Depose his ARSE !!!!

    26. You don’t RECALL if the correct date and time of the recorder was set prior to recording this most valuable interview? Why not? Depose his ARSE !!!!

    28. ALL OF IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cannot claim ignorance of EVERYTHING, when it was your business to conduct this interview in the proper manner. DEPOSE HIS ARSE !!!!

    32. ALL OF IT. Breaks ??? for a 30 min. interview? Why? Why would he have to put W8 on hold??? If he was there with her, would he keep walking out of the room? Do do what? Figure what questions he was going to ask? Didn’t he come prepared just to hear her story? So why the need to put her on hold at all? He admitted previously that he turned the recorder on and off and defense has said emphatically that the recording device should have been turned on and left on. Depose his ARSE !!!

  12. diwataman says:

    On top of lawyers rushing in the middle of court to violate the court orders of 48 hour notice, which is apparently okay now except for the defense, it is also truly a most awe striking thing to see the state hand over discovery right in the middle of court as O’Mara complains about the problems with discovery and the state, and the judge literally does not see the problem that is taking place right before her very eyes and worse reverses it to actually be O’Maras fault.

    • debfrmhell says:

      Wasn’t that freaking off the wall? No one has said anything about it but you. All afternoon I have thought off and on that I just misunderstood and blew it off.

    • Chip Bennett says:

      That was one of the most infuriating aspects of today’s hearing.

      Of course, the appropriate recourse/response is, as soon as the defense has reviewed the (again-supplemented) discovery, immediately file a motion for an emergency hearing, to address any deficiencies therein, including any data missing from 2/26.

      Go into court, and in front of Nelson, demand that the State produce the missing data, or else provide sufficient justification and explanation for why the State has brought case against the defendant, relying on testimony from a phone call that the State has no evidence ever took place.

      And then demand a Richardson hearing, to put an end to the discovery shenanigans.

    • sundance says:

      Nelson already ruled that Crump could be deposed. She did so during the October 19th hearing.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        Thats what I understood her to say too SD. But I am no legal eagle. Thanks

      • ottawa925 says:

        Yes, SD, but Crump wants that undone. Look just under the heading under Affidavit of Crumpy: “(In Lieu of Deposition or, Alternatively, In Support of Mortion for Protective Order)”. I assume that if she says no dice to Crump he must be deposed, they will stall again, and file a Motion for Protective Order, wherein they will stick in a whole bunch of case law and the kitchen sink. HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE DEPOSED. And this manuever by Crump, having his attorney hand her the Affidavit … I mean really. She’s the Judge – NOT a Defense attorney who’s obligation it is to vigorously and with any means necessary defend his client. Someone tell me how the Judge can determine what is adequate. She’s deciding for the attorney (the defense) what is adequate??? You could show that Affaidavit to 200 defense attorneys, and they would all rip it apart, piece by piece. She should only be allowed to decide if it is within the law for Crump to be deposed. She seemed to be of the mindset he could at the October hearing, so what’s changed really? huh … it’s BS. She is in NO position to make this decision on the whether the Affidavit is sufficient.

    • McHell says:

      As to the discovery, perhaps this has something to do with it…?

      Direct quotes from Mr. O’Mara’s Motion for Continuance (emphasis added):

      “While this more limited or static approach to discovery IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE RULE, it does require more vigilance by the defense, and carries with it inherent delays in the discovery process.”

      “Again, while the State IS WITHIN ITS RIGHTS, under the rule, to demand such formalities, that has cost hundreds of hours of additional time to be expended, which has delayed work and progress on more substantive matters.”

      • jordan2222 says:

        I have yet to find how it is not a violation of the rule.

        • John Galt says:

          I didn’t get that either. Eight months of discovery stonewalling doesn’t violate Rule 3.220 which provides the State with 15 days after April 12 to provide discovery.

      • jello333 says:

        If I recall correctly, that was talking about some of the more general “foot-dragging” tactics, but NOT some of the more specific problems. I think elsewhere he at least implied there ARE violations.

    • jello333 says:

      Who presides over a “Richardson hearing”…. the current trial judge (Nelson)? I know she’s likely to just ignore half the issues/complaints that are brought up, but at least they’d be spelled out one by one, there for the whole world to see… and ON the record.

  13. ed greene says:

    If I remember correctly if the second bail hearing when Robert Zimmerman testified that it was his son that screamed for help . BDLR stated that both Tracy and Sybrina identified the voice screaming for help as Trayvon. BDLR at that time knew that Tracy said that was not Trayvon’s voice. BDLR lied to the court. Since he lied once how many other times has a lied to court. That is ground for being disbarred. If someone get link to that hearing and check to see what BDLR said about Tracy saying voice belonging to Trayvon, when he said as Serino stated and another witness that it was not. This might be grounds for dismissal. Prosecutor Lying to court.

  14. pet says:

    My takeaway today is that Judge Nelson drinks her own pee. And it’s still 40 proof a day later.

    Sorry for the childishness. But that was my takeaway.

  15. ottawa925 says:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but to date, no evidence has been submitted to ascertain what Trayvon’s voice sounds like. Surely the family has video of Trayvon speaking, laughing, etc. Do you think MOM/West has subpoened any media the family may have that demonstrates what Trayvon sounded like that’s recent, not from when he was a whittle boy.

    • tara says:

      Good point. Even the two “experts” didn’t have access to any samples of Trademark’s voice. Surprising in this day of everybody recording everything. Or not surprising because if Trademark’s voice sounded anything like the voice in the 9-1-1 call you know damned well Crump and Julison would have had Gutman on the case a long time ago.

      • brutalhonesty says:

        they are going to give us trayvons voice synthesized with autotune rapping..and say thats what all they have…..then he will release a new album each year like tupac.

  16. diwataman says:

    Can anyone make any sense out of what Bernie is talking about at 30:06?

    “And quite frankly I think they actually have some information regarding both of those individuals because the telephone records, not just recently, at the beginning in terms of what they’ve gotten have a lot of that information in there. And also Mr. O’Mara from the very beginning of this case told me that he had gathered that information even before there was a request for it.”

    • Omar says:

      I don’t even think that Bernie can make sense out of it.

      Here’s my take-away from this: Look, the defense KNOWS what we’re up to. They KNOW we played the ol’ switch-a-roo with the DD’s. They KNOW we are hiding stuff, and gosh darn it judge, if they already KNOW this stuff, why should we help them by giving them any more info that could be used against us????

      • jello333 says:

        That’s exactly it. MOM and West DO know a lot of the facts already. All this other stuff they’re trying to get is just for confirmation, as even MORE proof of conspiracy than what they’ve already got.

        • dmoseylou says:

          MOM / WES—Just getting all their ducks lined up in a row.

          • dmoseylou says:

            ARGH! Some keys are still sticking—I spilled a full, hot cup of coffee all over the keyboard and screen yesterday. I heard sloshing as I was shaking out all the Starbucks I could. Shocked it still works! God is Good. Also, FYI Goodwill Ind. here are partnered with Dell and Goodwill accepts any brand computers for Dell—great idea, helps both businesses and gets the junk PC’s out of the closet or from under the bed…
            ANYWHO—WEST! Not WES. (I know everyone knew that, I just can not leave it uncorrected.)

    • yankeeintx says:

      I think he knows that O’Mara has seen TM’s and DD’s facebook and twitter postings. But like O’Mara said he wants it authenticated by FB and Twitter.

      • diwataman says:

        That can’t be right. What would telephone records have to do with that? And DD’s phone number didn’t even have a name muchless anything else. And why would O’Mara bring up the wrong twitter account in court if he had the right one?

        • yankeeintx says:

          Bernie is just an idiot if he thinks that O’Mara got the information from a phone number. But, did O’Mara have access to the gmail acct connected with the phone? I doubt it, they haven’t even turned over all the discovery from the phone forensics. Bernie likes coming across as confused “what does he mean he wants a digital copy of the photo, we sent him a paper copy?”

        • John Galt says:

          BDLR is attempting to plant the seeds of confusion regarding Trayvon’s and W8’s social media accounts, to facilitate attacking admissibility in the likely event such information proves extremely adverse to the State’s case. As far as Facebook and phone numbers, well there was this:

          • woohoowee says:

            At one point when flapping his mouth and arms about social media, BDLR mentioned “who put it there”. I figured that was his opening to have any social media information ruled inadmissible.

    • ftsk420 says:

      Bernie is playing games cause what I got from it O’Mara wants to know when the state became aware of the info. He’s not denying he has the info he just wants to know when they got it.

  17. eastern2western says:

    If dr phil could do a voice match on manti teo’s boy friend, then how come the fbi can not do any thing for the zimmerman screams?

  18. ottawa925 says:
    • eastern2western says:

      can not believe these people are celebrating such small little victory that could be use for the appellate court. I guess leatherman is a way better lawyer than dershowitz. well, harvard needs to give leatherman a call to replace dershowitz.

    • tara says:

      Nasty’s snark reveals her lack of confidence.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      After the hearing, while standing at the defense table, Mark and Don WERE smiling, and I wondered the same thing. I wasn’t sure if they were just trying to maintain a brave face for the sake of their client, the cameras, or the opposition, OR if there was something in the discovery they received from BDLR that showed promise. One OTHER thought occurred to me, maybe there was some admission made by the prosecution that plays into their strategy, or even a mistake made by the judge that they were actually HOPING for?

      • John Galt says:

        “One OTHER thought occurred to me, maybe there was some admission made by the prosecution that plays into their strategy, or even a mistake made by the judge that they were actually HOPING for?”

        Maybe they have evidence of some inaccuracies in Crump’s affidavit?

        • ftsk420 says:

          I’m leaning that same way seems like MOM and West are giving them enough rope to hang them selves.

        • justfactsplz says:

          I am sure they do. That is why they were smiling.

          • jello333 says:

            I haven’t watched the whole video yet, but I’ll take you guys’ word for it. If Mark and Don were smiling, that makes me feel better about what went down today. I’ll just go with… “They know something we don’t.” ;)

            • justfactsplz says:

              Oh, they really do. We cannot lose faith. I had a few bad hours today being upset about the hearing. But we must focus on the big picture. They were laying ground work today and let the prosecution and Crump tighten their own noose.

      • jello333 says:

        Those guys are smart. And they don’t seem to be the type to play games just for the sake of the cameras…. that goes doubly-so for West. So if they were smiling, I’d say they had a good reason. Hmm… could it maybe be that they have ALL the facts of the case, the rules, the laws, the precedent, the Constitution on their side? And no matter what Bernie or Crump or even Nelson tries to do, in the end… the truth will out? And yeah, even if we here don’t yet realize it, something may have happened in that courtroom today that is BIG for the defense.

        • justfactsplz says:

          There you go. That is what I love about you Jello. Your optimism is infectious. What a mood booster you are for George and all of us Treepers.

          • jello333 says:

            I appreciate that. For awhile there, back many months ago, when I first started getting emotionally involved with this case, I was kicking myself. “Why are you doing this to yourself?” And I came close to just shutting it off, and pretending nothing was going on. I am SO glad I didn’t do that. Even though I’m FAR more emotionally involved now than I was back then, I wouldn’t change a thing. Which is one reason I make sure to come here every day if at all possible. Even when nothing much is going on, and we just keep rehashing the same stuff, I feel there’s STILL a good reason to come here. If for no other reason than to try to help lift the spirits of George, Shellie, and the family, in the off-chance that they might be reading that day. Oh, don’t get me wrong, my optimism that this is all gonna turn out good is NOT faked. I believe it with all my soul. So if a little of that comes through in my comments here…. I’m thrilled with that. And by the way, I’m typically a VERY skeptical, even cynical person, so it’s a pretty big deal that I’m so confident about this. ;)

            • justfactsplz says:

              We have a right to be confident in all of the research done here. We encourage George and Shellie and family and each other. This could have happened to anyone of us. It has opened our eyes to the bigger picture of the danger of our world in America as we know it disappearing along with our freedoms.

    • myopiafree says:

      That’s easy – because Crump is a liar and the PHONE WAS DEAD.

  19. nettles18 says:
  20. pbunyan says:

    I imagine that if they ever actually deposed Crump, it would go something like this:

      • TonysThoughts says:

        hahahaha , After laughing for about 5 minutes, the wife came in to see what was going on. Great video, and thanks for the early morning laugh. You are 100% correct and I could see the depo going that way. Have a fantastic day.

        • Sharon says:

          I always wonder how many “takes” it takes for something like that. Those poor guys sitting at the table pretending to be his lawyers had to crack up more than once before they got it done. That’s just funny stuff.

  21. tara says:

    Tangentially related … here in Chicago we have the case of 15 year old Hadiya Pendleton who was gunned down by a gangbanger while she was hanging out in a park with other gangbangers. Bad neighborhood but she seemed to be a good kid despite her associations. Her friends ran off, left her to die, and nobody will talk to the police. The BGI is virtually silent, I think Jesse Media Ho Jackson (Sr) participated in a march, and there’s some petition on the White House web site urging BObama or MObama to attend her funeral, but other than that no public outcry, no claims that the police aren’t doing their jobs, etc. Why? Because Hadiya’s killer is black.

  22. arkansasmimi says:

    At the end of the hearing, as they were leaving, the camera and sound still on. BDLR asks West and Omara= Where do you want to do this. West replies something to effect where ever. I wonder if they were doing the Phone depo of DD?

    • justfactsplz says:

      I think the only way they would depose her would be in person. They should not be foreced to depose her on the phone.

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        They were given permission by Judge Nelson to call her and ask for her Twitter and Facebook Handles, rather than driving all the way to Miami to get them. This is so they can prepare for the real deposition.

  23. ottawa925 says:

    MOM was just on Hannity talking about the case. Remarkable is that he said that unless they get money into the GZ defense fund, to hire experts, they may have to declare indigency and have the state take over. Terrible.

  24. ottawa925 says:
  25. jordan2222 says:

    Is there a legal precedent for what this guy is trying to do with using an affidavit as a substitute for a depo?

    There is ample evidence on record already that the affidavit itself is not truthful so I would think that would be grounds to throw the entire thing out.

    • rumpole2 says:

      There may well be evidence that WE see that shows lies in the affidavit…. but Nelson knows nothing (she says) and she accepts what an officer of the court says as gospel.. so she will accept the affidavit as true I think.

  26. Alexandra M. says:

    Is it just me or did Crump’s lawyer (Mr. I’m-a-seeenior-member-of-the-bar) come across like the biggest Schmuck used car sales sleezo with his arse-kissing, *wink *wink. nod performance in front of the Judge? ICK. That was just ridiculously unprofessional!!

    • Alexandra M. says:

      Not to mention Judge Nelson’s equally WRONG (and blind) willingness to give Schmucky McSchmuckerson anything he wanted. Gross. I bet she thinks he’s gonna ask her to the Seeeeenior Prom. ;)

      • canadacan says:

        Judge Nelson has delusions of grandeur And competency. She couldn’t get invited to a dogfight I’ve seen better organized
        Riots Then what’s been going on in her court room

        • rumpole2 says:

          I keep trying to figure out what her Avatar name is at JQ… I am sure she would fit in there if she not one of the posters there already.

          • Alexandra M. says:

            Ha! No kidding! ;)
            Correct age demographic and all….
            ~and what’s with her DIY home job haircut? Not trying to be *too* snarky, but I’ve got a pair of dull children’s scissors that would do the job 100x better.

  27. lovemygirl says:

    So Nat and Crump will be in the Hooskow soon?

  28. lovemygirl says:
  29. AghastInFL says:

    Can anyone direct me to the youtube name/link for “It’s Michael not Mike” I am hoping that he did a review of yesterday’s hearing, Thank you.

  30. jordan2222 says:

    Is anyone here discouraged about the recent events? How long can this go on without all of these lies being brought to light in court so the world can see? Why can’t the defense do that? Seems so simple to me. Something is not right.

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