How Much Tyranny Will You Accept…

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Much has been said about the various Sheriff’s Departments around the nation stating their position they will not enforce any Federal confiscation of firearms from their citizens.

Horsepucky.

Remember as you watch these, the county Sheriff is the highest constitutional officer in every jurisdiction. They can refuse to comply. Yes, constitutionally they can. They can, but they will NOT.

Sorry, to be brutally honest, but no-one is willing to go “Ruby Ridge” outrage.

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44 Responses to How Much Tyranny Will You Accept…

  1. stellap says:

    I read about this yesterday. It is SICK what they did to this family business.

    • ctdar says:

      Terrible, should have followed up the question of whether the sheriff and sidekicks would confiscate guns from the town people much like they took possession of the Morningland Dairy without concrete evidence of contamination. When the LE refused to answer, the next statement should have been “ok think about it and reconcile your heart as the time will come in the very near future to answer that order.” I would love to have seen their faces.

  2. jordan2222 says:

    If anyone has a working link to the interview with Sara Weaver, would you please post it?

    If it were not for the work of Bo Gritz and attorney, Gerry Spence, in defending Randy, he could still be in prison and this thing could have been buried.

    I still get angry remembering all of this unfold.

  3. BigMamaTEA says:

    Beck was supposed to have done tonight’s Blaze TV on “out of control gov’t” Ruby Ridge/Waco.
    Haven’t had a chance yet to see the archive of it. Coming from Oklahoma City, I think you can probably include our bombing in that too. (Clinton administration)

  4. czarowniczy says:

    You gotta expand that ‘highest elected’ official in a county unless the county and city (as in New Orleans and some other cities) have combined, the city is the largest entity in the combination and the city has a home-rule charter that gives the police primary jurisdiction. Also, one must never forget that a sheriff is an ELECTED politician and most are politicians before law enforcement. I can not recall ever having heard of an appointed sheriff in modern times and a state’s sheriff’s organization is very politically powerful. It ain’t that unusual for a sheriff to never have been a law enforcement (as in ‘cop’) officer, many are lawyers or even businessmen in private life, they rely upon their chief deputies to keep them out of hot water offering the chief deputies the career ‘plata o plomo’ offer. Also, the Feds have made the nation’s law enforcement departments fiscal diabetics, dependent upon Fred programs such as seat belt enforcement for that extra $$$ to supplement the officer’s pay so I think a jerk on the purse strings might convince many departments to throw the populace under the bus. When you consider how so many departments divide that Fed money up with the rank getting a hefty slice to ‘supervise’ the rank-and-file’s lesser-paid grunt work you might find the Thin Blue Line at your front door.

  5. michellc says:

    No sheriffs won’t help, as I said in the open thread, this is not a first, sadly this did not just start when Obama was elected. What was done to this farm has been going on for years and it is almost always the Sheriff who carries it out and more often than not they don’t even know the law or are fooled.
    There have been several cases where HSUS or SPCA has went to the local sheriff office and the local sheriff thinks they’re with the feds or the state and they raid a farm or a dog breeder, then later when the animals have been sold or die after a stupid judge, usually one hand picked give custody of the animals to HSUS or SPCA, it goes to trial and it comes out it was an illegal search and seizure, the sheriff will say it wasn’t their fault they were mislead. Now this person or family can’t get their animals back because those who were given custody suddenly don’t have them. They’ve spent everything they have in fighting in court, their reputations were ruined, their business was ruined and all anyone says is ooops.
    Our side is just as guilty because far too many of us have sat back and watched the videos or the local news and said oh those poor animals. People who are not knowledgeable in animal husbandry see a cow’s tail being twisted or a chain or rope wrapped around a cow or a cow being kicked and say look how cruel they are, because they don’t understand a cow can’t just be picked up and a down cow will die if it is not forced up and you twist a cows tail and they move, you tie a chain or rope around a cow and hook it to a tractor or a truck to pick it up, sometimes just a swift kick to the butt is enough to get a cow up. Death is the alternative, but there are not enough farmers anymore to understand that. My favorite though is when they film a water trough that looks green, cows, goats, sheep chew their cud, grass is green, they drink water and a freshly filled water tank will be green within 30 minutes.
    So this has been happening for years and years, this is not the first farmer who has been destroyed, it’s just farming communities started waking up a long time ago and they now know to fight back, they now know they have the right to record what they’re doing, they’ve learned how to get their stories out through the internet when they’re ignored by the media. That’s also why so many of them are saying forget all of you, we’ll take our product local. Farmers/ranchers have known for sometime the sheriff deputies are not on their side.
    So no, you can’t depend on local LE, they’ll do what they’re told even if it’s not even the state or feds telling them to do it.
    We the people will have to ban together to fight this war and we’ve already lost so much ground, we’re bloodied and gored going into battle.

    • michellc says:

      Sorry for the long post, but this is something that hits me right in the heart and it’s something I’ve witnessed happen too many times to my friends and as Holder likes to say happen to “my people.”

      • czarowniczy says:

        I believe the sheriffs will take a lead from the governor’s office – all politics are local and local in a sheriff’s geography is the state capital. Sheriffs, like district attorneys, are frequently looking to something bigger than the ponds they were elected to swim in. Mississippi and Texas governors have made their positions clear on the Feds arbitrarily picking up peoples’ weapons and sheriffs are sniffing the wind. That Federal money’s important to them but the state’s political might is what will sway them. The sheriff’s will generally follow the leads of the state courts. I know that I absolutely despised doing evictions but I’d come in at 0700, the clerk would pass me a set of eviction papers signed by the judge and I was screwed – I either did what I was paid and ordered to do or face possible contempt or malfeasance charges or asked to kindly turn in my badge and find other gainful employment. Problem is that the concept of a republic where people elect representatives who serve them and act as surrogates for the electorate’s will has somehow been twisted to our electing our jailers.

        • michellc says:

          Very true and sadly too many who were never elected are the ones who are causing us to be jailed or run out of business. Just like this milk board, it’s doubtful any of them are elected positions, yet they’re given the authority to ruin lives.

          • czarowniczy says:

            Like other vermin, you allow one in and they open the doors for the uninvited. The Founders knew that government attracted the good as well as the vermin and left it to the public whose lives were to be effected to control the carrion eaters. Unfortunately far too many people have abandoned that duty, distracted by the many bright and shiny objects being dangled before them and we all have to pay the price. How many years wandering the desert before someones says “WTF?” and realizes what they traded away for a few beads?

    • jordan2222 says:

      I have heard of this happening but I am not sure it’s a good idea to publicize it. That may sound cowardly but if this kind of thing gets too much publicity, the feds will not have any compassion.

      “That’s also why so many of them are saying forget all of you, we’ll take our product local.”

      • michellc says:

        They have started publicizing it because it’s the only way to get their message out. The war was brought to them.
        That’s why more of these events are starting to be recorded, that’s why you see so many farms having websites trying to educate the public about farm life, and that’s why they have started taking their product local.
        Which is the point to this story, they don’t want them selling locally, so more and more of them are being shut down for selling locally. The government can’t regulate them like they regulate commercial farms and they don’t like that and the commercial folks don’t like it because they’re losing a lot of their contracts.
        The farmers are attacked from so many directions, that they’re shutting down at an alarming rate, but something that is growing at a fast rate are small farms and those are staying pretty much hidden because they don’t want a target on their back.
        So trust me there is a lot rural folks are doing that is not publicized, rural folks by nature are pretty private people and in the atmosphere they have to exist in, they’ve became even more private than normal.

        • jordan2222 says:

          Thanks for your explanation. We have a couple of small ones here but you would only know if someone told you. They also sell things to local flea markets.

          • michellc says:

            It’s like that most places. We’re easily ignored and we like it that way. We do pretty much sell our stuff where like minded people congregate. Local flea markets, local farmers markets, to other rural citizens who raise something different or have gotten to where they can’t raise anything anymore. We still get the occasional prog like I had who wanted to buy a calf, but she’s so low information, she only knows how to get free stuff and vote for people who give her free stuff.
            There are several small dairies around that escape attention because they’re not stepping on too many toes by being too big.
            However, there are larger farms all the time who have started doing the same thing. People are going to wake up one day when they find shelves bare with the exception of imported food and wonder what happened. I know of one pretty large crop farm who didn’t renew their contract and they provided probably an 1/8 of a large corporations vegetables. The larger ones are doing this faster than I thought they would.

            • jordan2222 says:

              I think I will go on a mission and find a few new ones. I used to buy goat’s milk from one and loved the stuff. Selling unpasteurized, unhomogenized milk is risky business but I love the cream that rises to the top.

              • michellc says:

                You can pasteurize it yourself after the cream rises to the top and skim it off if you want to use the cream. Pour it into a stainless steel double boiler and use a thermometer and bring it to 145 degrees. You can do it in just a stainless steel pot, but you have to be more careful about keeping it from scalding. Keep it at 145 degrees for 30 minutes then place the double boiler or pot into ice water until the temp drops to 40 degrees and then place it in the fridge.
                You’ll lose some of the flavor, but not like buying it at the store. I usually do pasteurize it, but my husband prefers it fresh and he’s never gotten sick. If you want it fresh, just check out their facilities and make sure everything is clean. Usually that is what makes you sick is they don’t clean the teats well or they don’t sanitize the equipment well and that is where the bacteria gets into the milk. Most will allow you to watch the entire milking process.

  6. ytz4mee says:

    I see cowards to the left of me, and cowards to the right.
    I have no faith that any of these who “talk” a good talk will follow through.

  7. 556mmfmj says:

    It may be true that sheriffs in counties that include large metro areas and cities are subject to heavy pressure from police departments and big dog politicians, and few of them have made public any comment one way or the other. OTH, sheriffs in rural counties are another story. For instance, every county sheriff in the state of Utah, except one (SLC) has publcially stated their intentions. The last count I saw was 130 or so sheriffs across the nation have made similar statements. A number of them are members of the Oath Keepers.

    It is not very encouraging to come across conservatives expressing so little faith in fellow Americans, whether they wear a badge or not. Speculation on what individuals, organizations, or groups will do is easy enough. but why must it always ring of defeatism? Who the hell knows what anyone will do when the SHTF?

    Our country is on the fast track to hell. I have no doubt that many Americans are not going to go the route of the 1930s Europeans and just bleat like sheep on their way to some “camp”, or worse. I, for one, am not going to die with a number tattooed on my ass.

    • sundance says:

      I’m sorry you took the post to be “defeatism”, that was not my intent…. However, this is a story of one “rural sheriff” such as you outline, who will NOT defend his constituents. From that aspect, preparation to be alone is prudent.

      I guess what I was sharing was two fold: First, Don’t count on that person you really don’t know. and Second, you don’t know anyone.

      • michellc says:

        See I’m not defeated. I still trust many Americans and I even trust some deputies, just like I still trust many in the military.
        But it’s more important than ever to get to know these people and understand that there are many of them who act like this guy did. Coming from someone who is country to the bone and someone who has many family members who are in LE, don’t ever believe just because they’re rural they care about doing what is right.
        I hate sounding so anti-rural sheriff, because I’m honestly not but I also know how corrupt and ignorant they can be.

        I have a new hope in our fellow Americans because I’ve witnessed the reaction to the gun ban talk. I’ve talked to so many who have never been political and had given up even voting anymore who are fired up and who have woken up and the gun ban talk has them investigating all the other wrongs that have been taking place that somehow has escaped their attention.
        It’s like I shared about the man who told his LE son if you show up on my doorstep trying to disarm me, son or not you will be my enemy. So people need to understand that some of these people will become your enemy because they’re just doing their job.

      • lovemygirl says:

        Umm, I’m not sure he would shoot at you, neither my Nephew (Marine). Maybe it is my optimism but I believe the vast majority would join the Wolverines.

      • 556mmfmj says:

        I got that, sundance, as with all areas of life, there are bad apples. Regarding my own circumstance, I live in a county of 10,000 sq miles populated by 5000 people in four townships, none of which maintain a police force. The county sheriff’s dept is the sole LE in this neck of the woods. Once in awhile a state cop will come through, but neither the state or the feds have an office in this county. (nearest federal LE is 160 miles away) The sheriff and all his deputies are local boys, all well known and respected by a majority of the residents. A few “bad apples” here have had run ins with them, but the last violent crime committed here was 19 years ago.

        I do know where our sheriff and his deputies stand, I’ve talked to them about it. Still, “the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” I do have plans to act alone if it comes to that.

    • michellc says:

      I disagree, I’ve lived in small rural communities my entire life and county deputies can be just as corrupt and sometimes even more corrupt as the big metropolitan cops. Not only that they’re more often than not really ignorant about the law.
      There are some that are good and there are some that would refuse, but there are also many who have proven they will do what a judge tells them to do.
      It’s real easy right now for them to say they wouldn’t do it, but yet how many times have they stood up for what is right when a judge gives them a piece of paper? What will stop them from saying this is now the law of the land, even if it comes through executive order and say they’re only enforcing the law?

      Paying attention to what has been happening to farmers across this country in rural communities for years now, I don’t have much faith in rural sheriffs. Not all of them are like the sheriff in Arizona.

    • czarowniczy says:

      Sheriff my father-in-law worked for in Davis County some 40 years ago (when DC was still mostly rural) was a sheriff who reflected his constituents. I attended a seminar a few years back and heard about the gangs in SLC – unheard of in my day, you got popped for smoking on the street, though out in DC we were starting to feel the changes from the influx of California ex-pats. . I did see the Utah Sheriff’s Association’s letter to President Obama regarding their respecting the Utah’s citizens’ rights to keep their arms – let’s see how far that goes.

  8. ottawa925 says:

    Adam Lanza died 12/13/2013? day before Sandy Hook Shooting? wt ….

    read:
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter210.htm

    • ctdar says:

      Typo & conspiracy theorists

      • ottawa925 says:

        Don’t you find it odd tho how very few details have been reported since? Too many conflicting accounts of what happened. For a story that big, we received very few details.

        • lovemygirl says:

          No, things were confused at the time. not really unexpected.

        • ctdar says:

          Trust me the coverage in CT has been extensive. I do know someone who’s daughter was in a class down the hall and heard everything…..it did happen.

          • mung says:

            One of the girls who died, her parents used to live in my area and is good friends with a good friend of mine. They had a benefit concert for her. I am pretty sure they don’t want to hear anyone saying that they didn’t lose their child or 30 other whacked out theories about Sandy Hook. Not a single one of these theories has been proven.

            While I know there are people here that are so far into the conspiracy theories that they think every single action is scripted by the Illuminati, and there are some that don’t think the government does anything wrong, is it not plausible that the truth is somewhere in the middle?

    • lovemygirl says:

      I despise little boy conspiracy sites. Sorry, there is nothing there.

  9. 22tula says:

    “Local Food Freedom – Nevada County”
    by Tom – February 2, 2012
    http://localfoodfreedom-nevadacounty.org/blog/2012/02/sheriff-who-challenged-feds-for-amish-raw-dairy-farmer-receives-award-for-meritorious-valor-ca-sheriff-vows-to-protect-herdshares/

    CSPOA
    http://cspoa.org/

    2012 CSPOA Convention

    County Sheriff Project – January 30-31, 2012
    Playlist 1/21

  10. bruce101 says:

    these sheriffs can not be trusted the only thing you can trust is your front sights.

  11. Anon says:

    This post brings up a critical point. Sundance, you should make it sticky.

    All these people getting their hackles up about gun control, and all these people saying guns legally held by the citizens are the only thing preventing tyranny… please. This farmer, who is not the first or only one mind you, has had his entire material life ruined by run-away tyranny. He is about as close to nothing to lose as one can get. What has he, what has any of them done to stand up to the tyranny?

    The FDA going after fringe dairies is NOT about food safety. When have they shown an iota of concern about public safety?

    This is about finding out how far they can push people. It is high-stakes test marketing. The only difference between what they are doing and a mega-retailer releasing a new product in some out of the way burb before making it nationally available are the stakes, people’s lives. They are testing the rural, god-fearing, gun-loving demographic to see exactly how far they can be pushed, prodded, and goaded. How complicit are the local elected officials, judges, sheriffs, and rank and file police? How passive are the farmers themselves, their customers, their friends and families? How much will the national media ignore because the ostensible predicate, raw-milk production, is of such limited demographic appeal?

    People complaining about gun rights and marching for their God-given civil right to bear arms? So what? Who cares, if everyone knows they’ll never exercise it? The marching and internet indignation is nothing more than mental masturbation. It probably feels good to do, but it’s impotent in face of the obvious tyranny.

    • 556mmfmj says:

      We’re supposed to take the comments of an anonymous poster seriously? So, worst case scenario, “anon”, what are you going to do if the jackboot falls? I will die before they try to take me to some “camp” with a number tattooed on my ass.

      • Anon says:

        Heh, you’re such a nit-wit. Or did I miss seeing the 556mmfmj’s the last time I was leafing through the church directory?

        Nor have you addressed any of my point. If anything you’ve reinforced it.

        Such as your camp scenario? Really??? Any of these dairy farmers been sent to a camp? They’ve had their material lives destroyed on some bureaucrat’s whim. Fear not, there won’t be camps. They are far more sophisticated than that. They’ll let you eek out an existence and fondle your gun while the wealth of your labor gets skimmed off in taxes, inflation, and regulatory compliance (eg. Obamacare). All the while you sit around telling yourself if it’s a camp, they’ll never take me alive. You’ve fallen for a red herring.

  12. myopiafree says:

    We have a Black-Culture problem – in Chicago.

    http://start.toshiba.com/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA44IE701%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=931

    Blacks shooting blacks with stolen weapons. No amount of “gun laws” will ever stop thieves from obtaining weapons. Sorry if this sound “racist” – because it is not. This is a CULTURE problem, not a races problem. Attempts to blame “Whites” (whoever they might be), for this AA problem, is always wrong.

  13. myopiafree says:

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    So I went to Congress to STAND AND FIGHT on behalf of you, myself and every other freedom-loving gun owner in America. I looked our elected officials dead in the eye, and I told them in no uncertain terms that if they want a fight…THEN THEY JUST GOT ONE.

    Go here to see my appearance before Congress and please share it with your fellow gun owners, family and friends.

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    Wayne

    Wayne LaPierre
    Executive Vice President

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