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Ode to Trolls
Thanks for the laugh. It does seem that the trolls in particular are especially grammar and spelling challenged indeed.
Troglodyte … near enough to troll
Lighten up with Laughter
http://www.hughsnews.com/lighten10
Funny
dmosey I need your help ! I went to youtube picked a video I wonted ….went to spot that had share under it , clicked on share and a bar poped up and I highlighted it in blue clicked on copy and nothing happened then I clicked on copy and paste . I’m doing something WRONG Help Help !
dmoseylou : Do you have to have a facebook , google or twitter account to post them ?
If you want to post a youtube video here, all you have to do is go to the video in youtube, copy the url from the address box at the top of your browser and then paste it in the reply box here. The forum software auto formats the url to show the video.
Thank You JG
Try to post one here copying the url as John explained.
Also, when the highlighted blue appears, do not click on it—just hit copy and then paste here. See it that way will also work. I am sorry, I probably said to click the blue in my first explanation.
We are anxiously waiting….
http://youtube/cmrob_q3tjo
Is this it?
dmoseylou: Yep ! I keep opening up two different internets one for youtube and the other for the tree house I can’t figure out how to copy and paste the two togeather so I tryed typing the address in on the comment line .
This is really weird. That is not the video I just posted. Gremlins is my PC? Let me try this again.
O.K. Highlight the address in the address bar on youtube, copy it, then paste it here.
Try to copy and paste one from the “share” address, too, without clicking the highlighted address—just copy it and then paste it here.
When you typed out the address, you left the “dot” out between youtube. It should be like this>>>youtu.be
Okey-Dokey—-try both ways again.
I will not be defeated ! http://youtu.be/LTnfwNcXsRc
and after all that hard work
“This video has been deleted.”
err… unavailable.
ejarra: I know Dang it ! This computer will not do what I wont it to do, even if I follow the directions I have been given exactly ! It doesn’t like me
Is this it? Did you copy or type in the address? I ask b/c your address works when I copy and paste it from here directly into the youtube address box. But, your address does not have the “S” capitalized. Look at the address on my video on yt, and it shows the letter “S.”
Try it til ya got it! Sundance and Rumpole 2 taught me how to post YT’s videos months ago, right here, in the wee hours of the morning. I was ready to cry or scream, but they were so patient with me until I got it right. Thanks again, S/D
and R2!
I tried some more hints for you towards the bottom of this thread.
It’s like riding a bike… once you get it it once it will be easy.
Birthday wishes to Omar some what B lated and shout out to Sha and. Stellap and just the fax please thank you so much from yesterday
I sent my comment to the wrong thread sorry about that too much birthday celebrating
Birthday wishes are always welcome on any thread!
Omar has had a rough day today, keep her in your prayers for good things
Love ya girlie and thank you for her Canadacan, I know she appreciates it 
Oh noes??? Will pray for all that’s positive to come her way.
She will appreciate that. SHe is a special friend to me. Soul Sista;s
I read ya!
Go Wolverines!
Sha, if it helps, once you reach the video you want … just copy the address of the video that is in your browser at the top, then paste the address here. That’s another easy, uncomplicated way to do it. Again, get to your video, play it to make sure this is the video you want, then copy and paste the address of that video that is locted at the top of your browser. That would be the location at the top where you would type in an address to get to whatever page you want. Like where you would type: http://theconservativetreehouse.com. That location. Copy and paste from there. That’s what I do.
ottawa925 and dmoseylou : I haz made a mess admin’s gonna kick my butt. I am going to practice somewhere else until I get it right .
Admin
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Nah, we’re not.
You practice right here, Sha! We all had to learn how to do it.
dmoseylou : My computer doesn’t like me
I got it ! I got it ! I told YOU NOTHING beats me ! I had to type it in ……. Thank You everyone. So So Sorry Admins !!!!!! and Sundance. !
You are a trip..
Proud of you. Now keep practicing cause if you don’t do it often enough you may forget how. Although I’m wondering why you had to TYPE it in. It should have worked by pasting. I can tell you a little thing I learned. Sometimes, I take a youtube and send it via email to ppl I know. Then later I think of someone else that would like to see it. I’ll go to my sent folder, find the email that I put the link in … copy the link and paste it into the new email I want to send. When I do this, the link does not work for the person I am sending to. I simply cannot copy and paste a youtube link from a previously sent email. Just won’t work. So if I’m too lazy to go to youtube to find the video again, I just click on the link in the first email I sent, and when the video comes up, I again copy and paste from my browser’s address bar. Sha … where there is a will … there is a way.
I got it one way …. Now I will learn the other ! ( I’m a little hard headed he….he.. )
YES! YES! YES! I am so proud of you, Sha—hanging in there till ya got!
Congratulations!!
There will be no holding you back now
You Guys have created a MONSTER !
Keep on keeping on Sha. I haven’t even dare try it yet.
First Sha…… now justfactsplz!!
I am now trying to figure out how to insert animated emoticons. AAARRGGH! My son has told me for years that I need to go to school for the mechanically-declined; he has added technology-declined to it after my hysterical crying jag when I could not figure out how to rewind a DVD!
GIVE UP!!!!
There are “wordpress codes” to insert images but here that can only be done by Admin with Super Powers.
You can post the url as you can for any image, but an Admin is needed to make it visible as a pic in the post.
Bribery with kitty treats works best ;D
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/funny-pictures-your-kitten-is-lazy.jpg
I love your kitteh stash of smart remarks.
Funny pic and caption. Plus GORGEOUS color-coordination of cat and couch!
Thanks Admin ! Big Hug !
Found this poem too
A troll is constantly on the prowl for its favorite booty
Stomping out any new idea with creative beauty
Anywhere there is a sign of thinking and creativity
Count on it becoming a Mecca for Troll negativity
You see trolls only think in back and white
And are blind to other peoples plight
Most Trolls are too stupid to discern the facts
So, they just repeat the words of political hacks
Most trolls are rabid sinners
When it comes to truths they all are spinners
Trolls are always fearful of the truths light
Expose some truths and they’ll want to fight
Trolls feed on creating strife
I wish they’d all just get a life
“An instant hit in 1908, and still running strong after one hundred years. Albert Von Tilzer’s song quickly became a classic as America’s signature song for baseball.”
Nothing is bigger than baseball.
I was at 3 of the NY mets games in ’69, before the World Series began. NY was a magical place in the 60′s, esp for young people. I had moved from there in ’68, but returned for several weeks the following year. Baseball in Shea Stadium—one of my best memories, ever.
In the 50′s and 60′s, that was a common phrase and ended a lot of arguments, even political ones.
Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest
Today just a regular daft post.
Teeto has obviously not let go of the silly notion that a “Holly Bush” caused Georges head wounds.
In fact, in the T-Zone they do not abandon daft theories. They hold them in reserve and keep bringing them up, hoping they will make sense.
Doing the same thing time and time again expecting a different result is…….. “Insanity”
At one stage they were scouring crime scene photos looking to find a holly bush. I am sure they WILL find something.
They did, after all, find multiple ghosts in the club house, Osterman at the bank, 4 accomplices riding along with George and…….. A COCKATOO!!
Finding a holly bush should be a doddle!!
Random Topics
http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=584&p=19751#p19749
Osterman at the bank was a real hoot. It looked nothing like him. I feel sorry for the man who had his picture plastered all over the internet.
most honest analysis of the photo
Honest? I did not hear any mention of the State having withheld the color photo. That is most significant.
George Zimmerman Photograph
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/67-george-zimmerman-photograph
The State withheld that photo for 8 months, 3 days. We are waaaay past despicable political corruption here.
Guess what? More evidence is coming out that will be even bigger and older than that.
This is solid proof that citizens will do nothing about corruption in our political/judicial system. Nothing like this would have happened a hundred years ago. Americans would have stormed the courthouse. Sadly, we are all talk.
Motion to compel production of color photo:
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Discovery%2010%2012%202012.pdf
Previously released black & white photo:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/12/03/the-revealing-a-race-baiting-constructed-story-turned-political-case-against-george-zimmerman-now-coming-apart/
Yet, it was no big deal. Holy crap.
wow, they are more of the neutral ones. All of the oppositions were calling the photo cgi when it first came out.
it helped that the media LIED about the NEW photo (the only new aspect of that photo was the persecution finally allowed the public to see the most obviously damning evidence in existence).
part of the beauty of WAITING was so the persecution could pretend like the media that this phot was somehow new, not the photo taken on the night that George Zimmerman was VICIOUSLY and feloniously atacked by one trayvon hewasnt no saint Martin
Welcome to the persecution!
It also shows that they are not up on the case as they keep referring to SYG as opposed to simple self-defense.
More disappointing media “legal experts.” Yawn.
Why do attorneys keep calling this a “Stand Your Ground” defense? It is not Stand Your Ground, whose operative provision is that one is not legally required to flee when faced with a deadly provocation, assuming one has the ability to flee. That is simply not the case here. This is Standard Self-Defense, which is an even stronger defense, in that George could not have fled even if he wanted to. Is it because the Libs would have a much harder time with their soundbites trying to say, “Well, we need to get rid of Self-Defense!!!” Are they worried that even the slowest of the public will catch on to that one? I know I am preaching to the choir, but I think we need to make every effort to educate folks that this entire situation, has nothing to do with Stand Your Ground, and when they mention it in interviews, media, etc. immediately correct them. A bit like the Urban Violence Problem in the US has nothing to do with assault weapons……being intellectually dishonest is just a means to an ends for the progs.
Terrible misnomer.. . just a buzz word that caught on to mean whatever wants to show self defense with a gun in a negative manner.
I can understand the confusion.
On the GZ Legal Case web site, the defense team announced that they will be pursuing immunity during a “Stand Your Ground” hearing.
There Will Be A “Stand Your Ground” Hearing in the George Zimmerman Case
http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/42-there-will-be-a-stand-your-ground-hearing-in-the-george-zimmerman-case
in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, the burden is on the defense to prove that the evidence fits the conditions of the “Stand Your Ground” law.
We know O’Mara will go one step further, he’ll prove inability to retreat rather than than use the SYG allowance, no obligation to retreat. But he’ll employ the SYG law to attain immunity.
Am I wrong?
Florida does not have a SYG law. We have this:
The 2012 Florida Statutes – CHAPTER 776 – JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html
Truth, it’s a beautiful thing.
I am a daily lurker, I enjoy the comments shared here. I don’t know if this link has been shared, if so, I apologize. It was shared at another site I read at on a daily basis. It is in reference to the lawsuit with the security firm suing GZ/SZ/MOM etc., it’s the breakdown of the costs they feel they are owed.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9tY6Ztj1ZHac0dWWFQ2X3VPa2s/edit?pli=1
Thank you for that.
What am I looking at in Exhibit D? Is this what I think it is?
“TM may have dealt a client on mine’s daughter pot?”
It says that lead may or may not pan out….. but I wonder how much investigation has been done and how much of it DID pan out?
Pretty sure we already knew that. Pic with fistful of cash, “nigga need a plant” message.
“TM may have dealt a client of mine’s Daughter pot.”
Now it makes sense.
I asked on your blog: Was that a text from MOM to GZ? They both have dogs. The phone number at the top should be a clue.
Looks like it’s a text from someone at Associated to O’Mara. End of Page 9 – beginning of Page 10 references exhibit ‘D’.
Thanks for posting this.
Here is a related article: (O’Mara says GZ gained alot of weight.)
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/12/29/Security-firm-sues-George-Zimmerman/UPI-46061356814725/?rel=67071357767264
They were charging $3000 per day? And now he is paying $700 per week or $100 per day? Am I reading that right? Holy cow.
IAS charged $2900 per day to draw up those elaborate plans.
People criticized GZ for those Mission Impossible-esque plans, but it was the security firm who developed them.
I was rounding but what he did get for $2900 per day?
If duplicate, sorry. Thought ole Nasty Nat wasnt gonna be talking aboutNatalie Jackson the case bahahaha, she cant help but being one of the female dogs at the Dog Pound. Looks like she still keeps up with the TH
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Natalie Jackson@NatJackEsq
@grandmaj2 @BigBoithedog LOL…Dear Eastern2western and Justfactplz, U 2 crack me up…LOL
12:01 AM – 10 Jan 13
I am sure she is an expert on crack.
While I agree that some of her pronouncements are hard to fathom, and I think that she and Crump and Parks and the rest of the crew are wrong on this GZ case, I would not be flippant about the range of her capabilities.
Crump and crew have carved out a specialty afforded by our legal system as it stands now. They have template in place which ferrets out possible legal cases that fit this narrow specialty.
The template includes racial considerations as a legal filter and with the added benefit of garnering political support from a natural constituency.
Remember that the legal profession, at its core, is an economic enterprise to which a veneer of a social good can be attached.
While the term “economic enterprise” should not be viewed with opprobrium (as for instance – the same applies to the medical field), the pecuniary benefits should not be ignored either and cannot be ignored when you consider the court mandated “transfer of funds” in the tobacco litigation, the silicone implant litigation, the black farmer litigation, etc.
Any litigation enterprise that targets “deep pockets” is more attractive when viewed in a risk/reward scenario. The penalties for frivolous lawsuits are still too miniscule and disparate to serve as an adequate counter-balance.
Some time ago, I viewed one of those youtube videos of Natalie Jackson talking to a group, the url provided here at CTH. I thought she made a good presentation within the context of the issues she was covering.
Some of her tweets do beg explanation, but I suspect a few more years of maturity could temper that inclination.
I hope that one day, Natalie can think outside that legal template and recognize that GZ/TM tragedy was just that, a tragedy and that the narrative pushed by Mr. Crump as to the character of GZ was just plain wrong.
The GZ/TM case, to them, appeared to fit this template. It does not.
“I hope that one day, Natalie can think outside that legal template and recognize that GZ/TM tragedy was just that, a tragedy and that the narrative pushed by Mr. Crump as to the character of GZ was just plain wrong.”
I hope that one day, Scheme Team is brought to account for their conduct in disciplinary, criminal, and civil venues.
JG: +1
John, #1 I think that an attorney who is on the case to be tweeting and remarking is unethical. I would be very disappointed if I saw MOM or West tweeting. #1 it would tell me they don’t have enough work to do apparently, that they have time to tweet to tweeters. If they have tweeted and I don’t know about it, I’m disappointed. But you have this attorney … Nat … tweeting and as an attorney I, in my opinion, is totally inappropriate. If she wants to tweet with friends about her personal life that’s one thing, but to attach yourself to thedogpound shows how low class she is. I would NEVER, as an attorney, make ANY remarks to the public on tweeter on a case I am involved in. MOM has the case website where he occasionally releases a statement. But tweeting is another matter, it’s shoot from the hip banter that has no place in the day to day activities of an attorney on a case whether you are defense or prosecution. Doesn’t matter. That’s just my opinion. I would feel the same if Nat showed up here as herself and began to debate the subject. Or if MOM or West showed up as themselves on leatherman’s site. It’s totally inappropriate.
LOL speaking of leatherhead, have you seen that he had a stalker? oh my
hooson1st: Oh ! I have no doubt she is good at what she does… She would have never made it this far without being good at it . I don’t think anyone should under estimate there enemies . I have always felt that it is how far a person is willing to go to reach what ever goal they have that you need to be worried about.
I disagree Sha. I have seen with my own eyes ppl like this that make it to the top on very little. It’s the support structure underneath that places them there. I have had the experience to be amongst attorneys virtually my entire career, and I can tell you that you just don’t find law firms loaded with black attorneys. That’s why they create their own firms. You will be hard pressed to find top notch black attorneys, for instance, in the area of intellectual property, or commercial litigation. You will find them as part of the State and County, and if private they will be more involved with civil rights (discrimination – sexual harrassment), worker’s comp, municipal law (cause it’s rooted in politics), personal injury, wrongful death, but it’s rare up here in Chicago to see them as part of complex litigation involving holding more than one degree such as civil engineer, chemistry, etc. Every year lawfirms across the nation fire sub-standard attorneys. Sure there’s office politics involved, or if you cannot draw in the clients (the rain makers), but in general they give them a chance to prove themselves and if they don’t perform they are gone. Firms that hire black attorneys exclusively hire for many reasons, and “being good” isn’t necessarily one one of them. They may just be a good face for the firm, or the in case of Nat, another exclusive group … women, one who knows their way around the media. Although I see they threw one male in there.
http://www.wtgfirm.com/about.asp
They are basically personal injury. Ambulance chasers. And from a reading on her she is more about MEDIA. Normally these law firm websites put forth cases or at least the most high profile cases that they have been successful with. I don’t see anything. That’s not to say they haven’t any. I’m just saying they don’t seem to demonstrate to someone looking for representation … hey, look … we won this case, and this case. You don’t have to name the case directly, but refer to what kind of case it was at least.
Take the time to read the bio’s in the About section. The lone male has none.
NOW,
Let me make a comparison if I can. Here is a black lawfirm that has been successful over the years here in Chicago. I chose this one cause I’m familiar with it. This is the bio page of the founder:
http://www.prslaw.com/lawyer-attorney-1887595.html
Now look above and click on “Our Success Record”.
Now if this attorney prslaw was in FL, and you were researching for an attorney, which of these two firms would you choose. The one that wants to be your “Friend”, or the one that has a very successful track record of winning on the merits, instead of appearing on every radio and TV show known to mankind?
Another interesting read on Nat from 2010:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-12-27/news/os-natalie-jackson-profile-20101227_1_james-willie-jones-licenses-jackson-lives
I must say, that if I truly wanted to convince the public I was an advocate for women, children, the poor and minorities, I wouldn’t be driving a Mercedes-Benz with plates that read “Law Diva”. What an insult to those she sooo much cares about. Just my opinion.
I guess my original point was that she doesn’t have enough work to do if she can take time to tweet. IMO.
From the above article: “Many of her clients are low-income, Jackson said. It has put her in a squeeze. She is battling a foreclosure suit filed by her mortgage company and another suit by her homeowners association that accuses her of failing to pay $14,000 in monthly maintenance fees.
I’m a victim of the economy like everybody else,” Jackson said last week.
We don’t make as much money as other people,” she said of her firm and its style. “We get the satisfaction of helping people.”
Yet she rides around in a Mercedes. Her clients have no money, she has a firm with all the overhead, court fees, costs, a handful of attorneys, some doing pro bono … how exactly do they make money to drive a Mercedes and pay $14,000 a month in maintenance fees? I don’t see a lot of common sense going on here.
Gotta get that Go Away pay.
+1 Howie. And I have always heard and believe it to be true. A black female has more rights than anyone in this country.
and none of the responsibilities
ottawa925: I stand corrected !
Ottawa, for clarification, I don’t believe that it’s $14K/ mo. It reads as though that’s the outstanding balance due of many months of unpaid monthly fees of X dollars:
” . . . failing to pay $14,000 in monthly maintenance fees.”
For example, 12 months of upaid fees @ $1200/ month would add up to $14,400, . . . eh? (Assuming that you are Canadian, eh.) Still quite a big tab though
And a very good read too, thank you.
you’re right, JB.
Nat Jack doesnt brag to the world that she won the sherman ware case with the HELP OF ONE CONCERNED CITIZEN NAMED GEORGE ZIMMERMAN? so hard to believe
It doesn’t take much to be “good” when the public is willfully ignorant.
Thats true to.
Natalie Jackson is not a kid. And by most accounts, she’s pretty intelligent (moreso than Crump). So I’m NOT willing to give her ANY benefit of the doubt. As far as I’m concerned, she has proven herself to be every bit as money-grubbing, every bit as racist, every bit as EVIL as her co-conspirators. She’s doing everything in her power to send an innocent, good man to prison for decades. She knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. So what *I* would like to see in her future is… a few years behind bars, and NO more years as a member of the Bar.
Those are exactly my sentiments concerning Jackson.
hooson1st – THIS was excellent.
And you remind me of “Data” (the Star Trek android officer) more than anyone I know. Not that you are “inhuman”, but that I’ve never heard anything from you but logical, helpful contributions.
I truly envy your ability to appear unprovoked (and unprovocative) at all times.
nameofthepen
I have to admit that ottawa925 did present some valid criticisms as to the tweeting business.
Some of those tweets are audacious based on where I think this GZ case is situated. And, her license plate brings to mind the saying, “pride goeth before the fall”.
But, all of us live and work within our own reality, which includes not only the reality of what we experience each day, but is viewed through our own perception of it.
hooson1st – I agree about ottawa925′s comments. I like his posts a lot anyway.
And I think you worded this very well. Thanks for the reply.
I still hold to my belief on her identity at Click Orlando
You know you are on the right track when they take notice and come after you. Otherwise they wouldn’t bother.
I agree. I also wouldnt put it past her to be that troll the other day that caused such havoc
She would do it I believe.
so she mentioned e2w. he’s right on, and she hates that. why doesn’t she ask Sybrina if Trayvon was best friends with Kit Darrant?
If she doesn’t ask … the other one doesn’t have to tell.
hum good question, maybe Nasty Nat will do that, since she reads here regularly
arkansasmimi : There are alot more that NJ that read here regularly and love to comment about what they read.
am I hearing this right because I swear dd just said trayvon was the one who went back and confronted zimmerman. in the third part of the new recording, dd said first trayvon ran and lost the man. the next thing she said was trayvon told her that he was not going to run like that. then she said trayvon went back and met the man. am I the only one who is picking this up or am I hearing things?
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0113/w8_interview/w8_recordingA3_red.mp3
1. This recording starts mid-stream, so possibly something was edited out at the beginning.
My attempt at a transcript of the first 36 seconds:
[beep] [someone in the background: Awright] DD: Trayvon run for it. And then the man, and then he say he lost the man, and then the man come, and then Trayvon say the man was following him. [:14] And then Trayvon ask Trayvon run. And Trayvon say he ain’t gonna run like that. He gonna walk fast from the back. And the man was just following him [unintelligible] like walking to him like fast [:26] like when Trayvon walking fast he was walking fast [unintelligible] like he getting close by him, he getting close by him. [:32] I say run and Trayvon say he’s not going to run. [:36]
Is it me or does this sound like a Raggae song? Put a Bob Marley sound in your head and read it.
it sounds like it’s right out of the movie Color Purple when Whoopie does the narratives.
I cannot read any transcript of DD1 or DD2 without laughing!
eastern2western, it was DD2 who stated that Trademark told her he was “right by” Brandy’s apartment, so he certainly did backtrack. DD1 doesn’t offer that nugget, but one could conclude that it would be physically impossible for Trademark to first run, then “walk fast”, and not be any farther than the T in the sidewalk where he had passed minutes earlier. Only the Red Queen moves like that.
I’m obsessed with the location of the shooting. I think this is a HUGE problem for the prosecution and among the three best pieces of evidence for the defense, along with GZ’s injuries and eyewitness reports that Trademark was on top of and punching GZ. Crump made a big mistake considering DD’s information useful to them. She helps the defense! I guess that’s why he paraded her early, he hoped that his summary would be sufficient for the willfully ignorant public, that no one would actually pay attention (outside of a courtroom, that is) to what DD1 or DD2 actually said.
While I would agree with your assessment of the value of DeeDee’s testimony, I read this a little differently. I do not believe that Mr. Crump was trying to deceive the public with the use of DeeDee. i think that he was operating from the viewpoint of tunnel vision, seeing what he wanted to see and being very careless with the presentation and use of DeeDee.
The introduction of Ryan Julison into the mix kind of negates your position. This is more of a scripted and rehearsed presentation to reach certain thresholds along a pre-determined path. Also, his methods are outside of the norm wouldn’t you say? The DeeDee phone interview for example.
plus a hundred.. maybe more.
Stimpy:
The DeeDee interview by Crump was textbook cluster*#&%.
If this is how the persecution supplied the recording the whole thing is a farse. Why is the recording chopped up ? What possible reason exists for suppling it in this manner. How can it be verified the whole of the interview is included ? Does the state get to decide what information they are going to share ? Why no motion from the defense ?
“If this is how the persecution supplied the recording the whole thing is a farse.”
Can’t argue with that.
“Why is the recording chopped up ?”
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/update-crumpw8-recording/
From the manual of Crump’s recorder posted by Diwataman, the recorder records in mp3 format on internal flash memory. Apparently the recorder lacks any connection for directly copying the mp3 files from the flash memory to another device, such as a computer. It is unknown to me whether the mp3 files can be directly copied by opening the recorder and removing the flash memory card. The defense posted that the State produced the recordings in wma format, which gives rise to the possibility that the recording was edited on a computer.
Also, from the manual of Crump’s recorder, it includes features that could have been used in tampering with the recording: adding, overwriting, dividing.
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/ICDBX112.pdf
“What possible reason exists for suppling it in this manner.”
Good question. I assume that DD said things that Crump didn’t want people to hear.
“How can it be verified the whole of the interview is included ?”
Subpoena ABC / Matt Gutman recording(s), depose Gutman and / or his assistant. Depose Crump. Obtain Crump’s recorder and have it forensically examined by an expert.
“Does the state get to decide what information they are going to share ?”
Apparently. IIRC, Judge Nelson ordered Crump to produce the recorder, but the State produced wma files instead.
“Why no motion from the defense ?”
I expect the defense will take whatever steps it deems appropriate in the near future.
Thanks for your patience whilst I pulled you out of spam hellz…..
Thinking about it I may recall a discussion about technical difficulties necessitating a number of restarts
“I expect the defense will take whatever steps it deems appropriate in the near future.”
This past Jan 8 would have been a good opportunity
“What possible reason exists for suppling it in this manner.”
“Good question. I assume that DD said things that Crump didn’t want people to hear.”
So it was Crump and not the state that supplied it in this manner ?
How is Crump not in contempt of court then ?
“So it was Crump and not the state that supplied it in this manner ?”
LEO has or had possession of the recorder.
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0113/states_11th_discovery.pdf
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/0113/fdle_property_receipt_form.pdf
Documents are dated 12/10 and 12/13/2012. Crump was ordered to turn recorder over so it must have been in his possession previous to these dates. So was it Crump or the state that broke the recording up ? It still does not seem to me the state has fulfilled its discovery obligation.
The state. They took out what they deemed irrelevant.
“The state. They took out what they deemed irrelevant”
So discovery only includes the material the state determines is relevant.?
That is absurd. If it was in the midst of the interview it is relevant
“Apparently the recorder lacks any connection for directly copying the mp3 files from the flash memory to another device, such as a computer. It is unknown to me whether the mp3 files can be directly copied by opening the recorder and removing the flash memory ”
One way to transfer the recording
Recording on Other
Equipment
You can record the message of the IC
recorder on other equipment.
Before you start recording, we recommend
you to make trial recording first.
1 Connect the (headphone) jack of the
IC recorder to the audio input connector
(stereo minijack) of other equipment
using an audio connecting cable (not
supplied).
For details about the audio connecting
cable, see “Specifications.”
2 Press [ PLAY/STOP•ENTER] to start
playback and at the same time set the
connected equipment to the recording
mode.
A message from the IC recorder will be
recorded on the equipment connected.
3 Press (stop) on the IC recorder. Also
stop the connected equipment at the
same time.
Tip
When you connect an audio connecting cable
to the (headphone) jack of the IC recorder
for the specified period of time, the AVLS
function is automatically turned on. The
AVLS function limits the maximum volume
to maintain a moderate volume level (for
European model only).
That would have resulted in a single contigous file, not the multiple smaller files received
BTW the largely Inaudible 5/14 cd copy was just a single file. Was it not ? So why is the later copy broken up into several files ?
Now my post was deleted????
Sundance who the F do you have moderating this site?
I am trying to help George Zimmerman and my posts are being deleted?
Watch the language and the tone.
This is an all volunteer site. We do not dance to your tune nor to your timeline.
Using an IP anonymizer will put you in permanent moderation – your technology choice.
It has been well established I have a low threshold for this type of behavior.
My source of income used to put food on my families table is dependent on my ability to access several sites that block US IP addresses which is why my IP would have appeared from a UK address therefore it is not my “choice” of technology it is a necessity. Believe it or not many people nowadays use a VPN for multiple reasons. I have not deleted the cache on my browser in months and it should be 100% transparent who I am, at least your software had no problem identifying me when I replied.
With that said if this site actually cares about George Zimmerman for any reason other than the traffic he generates………….feel free to post my original post from today so that those who care may look deeper into my observation.
I am on a VPN now…..no issues. There is a difference between a VPN and a Proxy Server which is blacklisted and anonymizes IP addresses. Let me perhaps suggest you turn FoxyProxy or whatever you are using off? Everything is configurable.
I use a paid service called Hidemyass. Maybe you’ve heard of it?
I am most definitely using a VPN and not a proxy and have never had any problems previously posting here while protecting my privacy until today. Quite frustrating when you take the time and thought to write a detailed post that may be able to help George only to find out that it is not posted.
I use a dilligaff atomizer.
There is a song about that……. search diligaf at Youtube.
But the thing is, before you get upset you should find out WHY your post isn’t showing up. Maybe it WAS deleted, but doubtful. More likely it was just a glitch, or you accidentally wound up trapped by the spam filter or something. It happens to everyone from time to time. Usually after a little while it shows up. The guys who run this place do the best they can to watch out for stuff like this…. and I’ve learned to just be patient…. and to appreciate how hard they work to keep things running smoothly. (Just pray they never decide to SMITE you like they did me once!
)
I did not know you were SMITED, or SMOTE, once before. I do remember when Puddy steam-rolled right over you one time! Was that the same as “SMITED?”
Are you sure you weren’t SMITTEN? Kitty’s ears perked up on that one — thought it said “kitten.”
Yeah, I think it was a little after that. Like you said, first Puddy ran over me with a steamroller (though she proclaimed her innocence later). Then not long after that, I was just trying to show my undying reverence and loyalty to Sundance, and was informed that he was not that kind of ruler, and wouldn’t take kindly to my attitude. So when I wouldn’t back down, Sharon (I’m sure it was her) smote me…. or smited? Anyway, yeah… with a bolt of lightning, no less.
Moi????
As Hillary said, “I don’t recall…..I can’t remember…..”
With a bolt of lightning??
Oh, dear.
What ytz said…. times–oh–about 750 or so.
Thanks to JG for the youtube posting tip. I dedicate this blues song to Mr. Crump.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZosqnPCfeWY&ei=WlnwUOjqI8TTigKQ9YHACg&usg=AFQjCNH9Hhn6c4keGOg6jjKf9UCdTmB3xg&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.cGE
I guess it didn’t work
hooson1st : If you wont a good laugh ! Look at the mess I made trying to post something he…. he…… I’m gonna get it ! Nothing beats me for long Dang it !
Sha,
I saw you say you were typing in the url… that is fraught with danger.. slightest discrepancy will effect things.
To “copy” the url from top of your browser … right click the address… you should get a menu which includes “copy”… click that.
Then come to CTH posting window and right click there… menu shout include “paste”
click that and url should show…. YT will show after you “post comment”
rumpole2 : I did it just like you said but …. it wont work for me .
Can you paste into an email exactly what you paste here and email to me….
rumpole@randomtopics.org
I am sure I will be able to see what the problem is.
rumpole2 : It will let me copy and past to it but then it says the host smtp couldnot be found. I told you my computer hates me !
What did you do to make your computer so mad at you?
Can you email other addresses ok?
O.K. when I tried to send it to you it would copy and paste but said the host smtp couldn’t be found. Also I went back to youtube right clicked it after I highlighted this time and it let me copy and come back to treehouse and paste but it is still not playing !
What you are doing here IS WORKING in so far as it is resulting in an emedded YT vid.
It just happens to be a “non existent” video.
The address you are posting is
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmrob_q3tjo)
The video you want (I think) is
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmrOB_q3tjo)
You MUST be typing it rather than using copy/paste because the capital C and O
are lower case in your version…. the capitals make a difference.
When you and S/D taught me how to copy and paste youtube videos (months ago) you pointed out to me that sometimes the url comes up with https://—you told me to be sure to delete the “s” after http. That was one of the big problems I was having. Maybe that will help you, too, Sha.
I did, and, I did laugh!!
The thing you were trying to post above should show up if you use this url without the brackets
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmrOB_q3tjo)
I’ll join in the YT fun
If I click your link hooson, a YT page comes up with a much simpler url.
I’ll post it with a # so it does not embed and you can see it… then post it without #
The # was not enough to stop it embedding if I delete the http: at start it should show you the url I used
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZosqnPCfeWY
tks
Here’s one for Crump! I hope,,,,,,,,,,
How Prescient!
Beale Streeters Sheiks – Mr. Crump Don’t Like It
Awesome! I spent many years putting a blues collection together during the CD days. Had over 100 CDs stolen out of my car via broken window while parked at a ramp and taking my (little at that time) kids fishing. I was too disheartened to start putting it back together again. Hadn’t heard this one though great find!
an amazing find
I’ve been playing Delta Blues for over 45 years. I found this tune, on a compilation album probably 40 years ago. I’ve been savin’ it! 8^)
What… withholding important Discovery… is your name Bernie?
here is the most critical part in her testimony, but circumstantial evidence contradicts her.
1) at first, she claims she heard some one pushed trayvon because of the drop of the head phone. However, the headphone was located and found in martin’s pocket.
2) she claims that trayvon was talking to her via head phone, but the head phone was found separated from the phone.
3) she claims that she heard trayvon yelled get off, get off, but she claimed that she only a little bite and she was sure was trayvon. what is so odd about her extra information is that no else any one yelling get off, get off. If she could hear it through a head phone, then the logical conclusion is that trayvon was yelling really loung. However, no neighbor had ever reported of hearing some one yelled get off, get off.
4) dela rionda violated the most basic rule of his profession and that is putting words into witness’ mouth. she clearly said she heard trayvon pushed first, then change to some one pushed trayvon immediate, but de la rionda changed her words to some one pushing some one. it is very clear that dd is scripted. she almost wanted to tell the truth, but had to change into some thing that fits the script she must follow.
that last sound she reported hearing, if she heard it, could have been TM sucker-punching GZ.
#4…that is the 1st rule of his profession. He does that for a living.
Keep on searching. You are doing a fantastic job.
eastern2western
I meant no disrespect in my comment to you to stop reading that stuff. I have said as much to jello and others here.
after listening to both recordings, I realized that what happened during the taping is not as important as what happened before the taping because none of the activities is documented. crump stated in many interviews that it was tracy who found dd and he spoke to her for hours in order to convince her to testify, but what was the content of their conversation?
another report I read also stated that there was another interview occured with dd and sabrina took her out side and spoke to her for a while. Is any of this secret conversations even recorded at all?
Where’s Corey? Where’s Bonaparte? Where’s Guttman? Where’s Robles? Where’s what’s his name? Where’s Lester? Where’s all the Schemer’s? Hmnnnn.
And “Reverend” Al. Normally, he’s drawn to the limelight like a moth… he just can’t help himself. So if even that guy has been scared off the case, then it’s obvious this is gonna get REAL bad for the schemers.
Al ran off as soon as he realized that Crump had screwed up. He immediately began to distance himself from the case. Think about the last time you heard him say anything to support Crump. Do you remember? He knew the gig was up. Al is the master. Crump cannot nor will he ever be a Sharpton, primarily because he does not have the smarts. Some would say he be stuuuupid.
These individuals will all weigh in when there are developments in the case. There are other doings going on in their lives besides this case.
I wish the next hearing will be about the impeachment of dd and o’mara will provide us with a transcript of dd’s depostion.
Oh what a treat that would be!
Has he deposed her/them yet? Sorry, still trying to catch up.
We haven’t heard anything official that he has.
THANKS
A transcript needs to be a true representation of what is said.. not a subjective translation in the scribe’s words, so it will HAVE to be all written as phonetic sounds.. a lot of what she says is not comprised of English words.
I have posed this issue before. How on earth could a judge (or jury) ever understand her testimony on a witness stand? Would a “translator” be acceptable? I am not being funny or sarcastic in asking that. Hell, I cannot even understand Crump.
Declaring her words as non-sensical (or non-english) has been described as racissssss
BDLR led DD through her interview as if he had heard her story before. I always assumed that he knew her story in advance because he had listened to the tape provided by crump.
Clearly no one on the planet can make sense of the tape so how did BDLR know enough of DD’s story to lead her through the interview the way he did? Did he:
A) Interview DD off the record before the official interview?
or
B) Get the story entire from Crump prior to his interview with DD?
Something stinks here as BDLR should not have done A or B prior to such an important interview.
“Something stinks here”
The previous recorded DD “interviews” in March and April didn’t work out too well, so they apparently did not record (or are suppressing) her August 2-3 session.
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1112/discovery9/fdle_reports_august.pdf
the script was not ready and they were looking for extra writters.
…or ebonics and / or grunts translators.
I can’t understand why this is not Obstruction of Justice, especially w/Crump/Handler’s.
No.. you do understand correctly that it is. So are a lot of things in this case primarily on the part of the State. So what? It is our own fault as citizens for letting the system become so corrupt. Have you seen even one public protest? Shame on us.
jordan2222 says: “It is our own fault as citizens for letting the system become so corrupt. Have you seen even one public protest?”
+ a zillion or so! I swear, we need to mobilize. And, I think about it a lot.
I keep coming back to: If we could start a trend to a) make TV-watching something to be shunned, and, b) make regularly attending local City Council, PTA, etc., meetings with family and friends the “new cool thing to do”, we would begin to see real change.
I’ve seen it work before. I was involved in just such a movement that, against all odds, foiled the attempt of a corrupt city council in cahoots with a greedy major developer to re-zone (destroy) a horse-friendly community not far from the heart of downtown Los Angeles.
Not only was it fun…it was SO SATISFYING!!
On Crumb’s Sony ICD – BX112 Voice Recorder.
“romrumia 7 months ago
How do i get audio into my computer ?? It does have a flash usb or something ?
Reply · ..
TOSParanormalCrew 7 months ago
Hi! this particular recorder does nor have a usb jack. Instead, I use a two way microphone jack witch I can play back and record files onto my computer.”
apparently DD is harder to record than ghosts.
Has anyone seen the clip from the Hannity show of Robert Z, Jr. that was not shown on Jan 9? RZ tweeted that it would be available at a later date, but I have not found it. Just curious.
trayvonites are stupid for trying to prove zimmerman not having any injuries and never realize there is no injury requirment for zimmerman to use self defense. getting traped under trayvon and not being able to escape is sufficient enough to use one’s gun for self defense. However, I keep having to read about these stupid morons complaining about zimmerman’s injuries were not sufficient to use a gun.
Then stop reading them.
That was blunt. Having a bad day?
No , not at all and maybe it came off the wrong way but you know me well enough to know how I feel about cavorting with the enemy. I have always been quite vocal about it.
There is an old saying: You may not need a haircut, but if you hang around the barber shop long enough, you might very well end up getting one. I see no point in getting all worked up for nothing unless you are a masochist.
Keep your enemies close? I know our enemy very well. Benjamin Crump and the State have made sure of that. I sure don’t need someone else to tell me what they said.
I meant no offense.
They do not understand self defense laws. I would like to see any of them take the beating George did and then ask them what they think about their injuries and if self defense was an appropriate action.
The one thing that caught my ear was they were going to determine if the 2 dead punks should be charge posthumously. If only FL had a statute like that!
Bwahahahaha, I just had some lame troll on Click Orlando say I was pro gun control and wanted the same gun laws here as in Mexico. On the same day I mailed out me CWP paperwork. I don’t know how much less gun control I can be.
I do think I figured out why wanna be gangsta’s hold their guns sideways. It’s really not because that is how they came out of the box. Someone showed them how to clear a jam by hitting the clip and then holding the gun sideways and racking the slide to eject the jam. Since they have crappy guns and crappy ammo, they figured they would save some steps and just keep the gun sideways the whole time.
Something bothers me about the security law suit. Omara was the one responsible for seeing to it that the bills were paid. When the going got tough and they pushed for their money, all of a sudden it became George’s responsibility.
There was also a reference to the fact that after the trust was set up, O’Mara still retained control so he could NOT put off responsibility onto the trust. There is a thread here somewhere about that and how it MIGHT have violated bar rules and/or ethics. Sundaance went into detail about that as well as the terms of the bond agreement. I read the first bond agreement but never saw the second one for a million bucks but if recall, SD said or implied that George could not dismiss O’Mara.
I think this will all be explained when they file their response to the lawsuit .. ya think?
I don’t know because I don’t recall that we ever did get the exact terms of how the trust was set up. I do remember a discussion about it being a “first” of its kind.
I have never seen an accounting of the money as MOM promised.
He was supposed to keep the public updated but I bet you can’t find out how much money is in there now or how it’s been distributed.
One other thing: Did Fox News pay for some of the security expenses? I think I saw that they paid about $500 or so for something.
Interesting. Somehow I missed seeing that thread.
I wish I knew exactly how to search for things like that here, but I don’t and I got in trouble the last time I brought up that issue.
It might have even been discussed on more than one thread. Maybe SD will show up and help us find it.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/10/orlando-jesus-talks-to-piers-morgan-begs-disciples-for-alms/
Well, I did not find what I was looking for but damn, it’s interesting to see what everyone was saying back then and what they are saying now so if any of you want to see how you stood back then, it’s a trip to go back and take a look.
Wonder what happened to all of those people that were actively posting. It sounded to me like some of them got pissed off at Sundance’s position about O’Mara and left the scene.
That aside, I am sure I read comments here questioning how that defense fund was set up and whether or not it complied with bar rules/ethics. Maybe I missed it but I read through both of those threads. Was not a waste of time though. Refresher courses are always good.
The larger point is exactly WHO ultimately controls the fund legally and where are the legal documents outlining all of that.
That lawsuit implies that it is O’Mara.
I am surprised that there have been no legal challenges to it and also that folks are not demanding complete disclosure.
Thanks for the trip back in time, SD.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/07/09/et-tu-omara-considering-a-very-experienced-and-competent-criminal-trial-lawyer/
I will search and find it. It may have been back before I started reading here even though I thought I went back and caught up with everything.
Does MOM have legal access to these funds? Do all expenditures need to be approved by MOM or GZ before payments are rendered?
The GZ Defense Fund Home Page:
“The money donated here will be used for George Zimmerman’s ongoing living expenses, legal costs, and fees for this matter. The funds are being administered by a third-party administrator, [...]
http://www.gzdefensefund.com/donate/
May the Bar has all of the details .
“Something bothers me about the security law suit.”
Just another boring collection action for a relatively small amount of money. Complaint does not reference any attorney’s fees provision, thus no incentive for protracted litigation. O’Mara postured as a defendant discourages discharge in bankruptcy. I predict early settlement for 1/3 to 2/3 of amount sought.
That clears things up a little bit, thanks. I had not noticed they were not asking for attorney’s fees. It just stood out to me that Omara was protecting himself and George was left with it.
Is GZ brother considering running for Congress? Just looked at twitter lol behind everywhere…
I seldom read twitter, but I looked at RZ’s earlier, trying to find a link to the Hannity clip of him with Shapiro that was not aired 01/09. I think he was trying to emphasis that people needed to get involved and stand up for their 2A right to bear arms. IE: If your Congressman does not oppose O’Gunbanner, elect ones that will stand up for your rights. Still can not find that clip…
I just spliced this video together to show crump’s confession and his big lie.
Again, his reply doesn’t fly and neither is that recording. AGAIN, O’Mara pointed out that the recording was stopped and started over and over, and Crumpy admitted as much. O’Mara said that the recorder should have been turned on and left on no matter what problems their were experiencing.
First Crump says a lil slip when he says “when we’re trying to record this device” … that’s one.
“We keep stopping trying to hear it then we go back and try to re-record and stuff” …. that’s TWO. He admits to stopping the recording and re-recording.
“There are people who try to get this recorder right” … what people? … that’s THREE
His statement here is an admission of tampering. Since he already did an improper interview because no representative of law enforcement was present, why since you have this NUMBER ONE IMPORTANT WITNESS didn’t he get on a plane and go visit her to get a clear, concise statement. What he got was gobbleygook. Who exactly was going to decifer what she was saying … him? oh lawd. Then when BDLR gets a hold of her he takes her down the path of primrose lane. But the tape/tapes are important to show the impropriety of both Crump and BDLR. What will be far more important is what W8 states in a deposition and on the witness stand, where there will be no “uh huhs” or “ah hums”. Even if she cannot articulate, she can answer Yes or No … THAT she can do. There will be no hand holding, and no walk down primrose lane. It’s a moment I wait for with great anticipation.
Who exactly was going to decifer what she was saying … him? oh lawd.
Way too funny.
Sorry but DeeDee does not even speak ebonics and Crump speaks Crumpese, another entirely different dialect or something. Oh, boy. Maybe the FBI has some experts who know these languages.
I lived on the island of Vanuatu in 1997. (Fairy Tale Beautiful) The native language there is a form of bastardized English. Moderately easy to learn, if you speak fluent English. This “language” that Chumpie and DD speak is not bastardized English /
Ebonics; it is just…something…else…Low IQ…inarticulate…chaotic mumbo-jumbo. Do THEY know what each other is saying? Apparently so…Lucky them…B/C the rest of us sure as the sun rises in the East have no clue. I would willingly bet even the FBI has no clue.
Any deposition is likely to painful and terribly embarrassing in an attempt to make her enunciate her syllables and not use fragments. Otherwise we will only get more garbage.
When was that interview with Vinnie?
I believe it was in Dec. 2012 and it directly followed (as a response) to the HLN interview that O’Mara/West did with that Jean Casarus(sp?), where they talk about the problems they are having getting discovery from the state.
Thanks.
here is my question and I hope will help me with this part. in the new evidence tape, crump ask the girl about what she told him before. I think I heared he said the other day, but it also sounds like today. If they had spoken before, which could have a huge implication in dd’s testimony because none of their secret conversation is documented. can any one tell me if he said today or the other day. the second part of the video when he asked dd to repeat what she tole him before. what were they talking about before because there seems to be a lot secret conversations went on behind the scenes.
Vinnie asks two questions:
1. Was the recording edited prior to giving it to the FDLE ?
2. In what form was the recording giving to the FDLE ?
Crump answers neither question.
Excellent job. .Thank you .
this first recording seems more like a performance they prepared in a hurry. according to the crump, tracy found her on his phone bill, tracy spoke to her for hours and they eventually had to convince the her mom for her to testify. However, none of us know what was exactly the content of their conversation. Unless crump has all of the events that happened before the interview taped and documented, he may have to prove what they were doing before the first interview does not involve any passing of information.
So the leatherheads think it would be ok for TM to sell pot. AND He would be innocent til proven guilty, but not GZ? Talking out of both sides of their mouths huh (they are talking about the security people converstations with MOM)
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Jun says:
January 11, 2013 at 8:51 pm
There’s no death sentence for marijuana usage or sale
whether or not he sold weed, he still has rights to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, so…
next, they will say that pcp like cough syrup aint so bad.
ooops, i forgot the reason they are so willing to talk about the weed (in any way) is so they can get people to forget about the pcp like high the cough syrup gave
I listened to the tapes from the recent discovery and note that:
#4 – Has nothing on it but a quick sound
#5 – Begins with DD talking.
My comment is: What was the question? (since #4 had nothing on it, and #3 had ended with Crump stating they were pretty much finished and he was putting her on hold)
#6 – Crump wants to thank her and her mother … and talks about her inability to attend the wake
#7 – She tells Crump she got sick and went to hospital.
So the only thing remarkable to me just in order of what is transpiring is Tape 5. It begins with DD talking, however, we don’t know what was asked of her.
“It begins with DD talking, however, we don’t know what was asked of her.”
Try to read the script again now, DD.
again, they had to change to script because some of the words were too hard for dd to pronounce.
DD has trouble with big words like YES and NO
So does Ben Crump. He can’t give a straight answer to a direct question, either.