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The Rabbit Hole of the Crump Recording
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/the-rabbit-hole-of-the-crump-recording/
Did you read the supplement with all the Serino statements?
I read all 52 pages and found the shifts to be interesting. The number of GZ screams, the notification from the Dr. about the broken nose, etc etc….
I started going through it and taking note of every change from the first one to the one that was released long ago. I didn’t get far enough in to any good stuff.
I find the entire sequence of post-shooting events to be infuriating. First, of course, is the conduct of the lawyers and other mouthpieces. But that wouldn’t be so bad if journalists actually did their jobs. Isn’t it part of reporting to actually do some fact-finding and THEN write something, rather than accept everyone’s statements as fact? After the Brawley and Duke rape cases, I’d expect any self respecting journalist or editor to take a beep breath before posting any ‘hapless black youth gets shot’ story. Then there is the enormous flock of self-flagellating whites that immediately indulged in those ludicrous displays of solidarity known as ‘hoodie up’ demonstrations. I wonder, now that the whole story is unraveling, if they’ll have a ‘hoodie up retraction’ protest….probably not. As in the case of the Duke Lacrosse players, I hope that when the case (it barely deserves to be called that) is over that George Zimmerman will sue the heck out of everyone who so much as looked at him in the wrong way.
“After the Brawley and Duke rape cases, I’d expect any self respecting journalist or editor to take a [d]eep breath before posting any ‘hapless black youth gets shot’ story.”
Yeah, you’d think, wouldn’t you? Part of the reason I fell for the lies when this story first broke is exactly that. I recalled the Duke and Sharpton stuff, and I knew that almost everyone (incl. the MSM) now know those were frauds. And so I just assumed that SURELY it couldn’t happen again without people, esp. the MSM, taken a much closer look. In other words, THIS one (the GZ/TM case) must be for real. Yes, it sounded like something straight out of Mississippi Burning, but still… the media SURELY wouldn’t play along in another racially-based FRAUD… would they?
Ha!
The next time al charlatan and jesse just me jackson shows up, KNOW it is fake, whatever it is and especially if the news media is on board
“I read all 52 pages and found the shifts to be interesting.”
Apparently interesting enough that Serino felt the need to lawyer up.
And “lawyer up” he DID, with a VERY high profile attorney, I might add.
Hmm,
I wonder what he has to hide. Even GZ had the guts to testify without a lawyer.
I bet chump, & jackson, parks and bdlr all have to bring lawyers with them (since i imagine they al have a lot to hdie)
Serino needed to lawyer up because he told an Orlando Sentinel reporter the opposite of what he said in a sworn statement.
I don’t see anything in the multiple drafts that is incriminating in itself. I do see strong corroborating evidence that the report and capias request were submitted in bad faith.
The the final report and capias request don’t discuss the elements or manslaughter, much less explain how their analysis is related to those elements. We now know that is also true of the earlier drafts, which lack discussion of the elements of manslaughter or murder two. The change from one to the other seems completely arbitrary, not justified by any other changes in the text.
That’s ‘elements of manslaughter’ for ‘elements or manslaughter’.
No edit function, and no preview. Sigh.
From a first perusal, I think most of the changes are to statements about Zimmerman not engaging Martin in conversation. I’m guessing that polishing this argument was the reason for the multiple drafts.
Only four of the five documents are early drafts of Zimmerman’s full report. 1:54 (pp. 24-25) is just two pages, including the cover page. It seems to be an early draft of the capias request.
It also seems to be an incomplete draft. It ends by stating that there is probable cause to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter, but nowhere does it say that Martin is dead. It doesn’t say Martin was shot, or mention that Zimmerman was armed.
Here’s something that made the final draft, of the report and the capias request, that seems to have been added in the fourth draft of the report.
‘Investigation reveals that on August 3, August 4, and October 6, 2011, and February 2, 2012, George Zimmerman reported suspicious persons, all young Black males, in the Retreat neighborhood to the Sanford Police Department. According to records checks, all of Zimmerman’s suspicious person calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified Black males as the subjects.’
“According to records checks, all of Zimmerman’s suspicious person calls while residing in the Retreat neighborhood have identified Black males as the subjects.”
Ok, from everything I know about this case, that’s just not true. Another thing, it’s also been reported that George made something like 40 calls in the previous year… but it turns out those calls were actually over the space of the previous 8 or so years (including before moving into the Retreat). But what DID occur over just the previous year, was that ALL the people who lived in the community made, on the whole, several hundred calls…. in just one year. That should tell you a lot about how things were going there. Oh, and something I just thought about, concerning the claim that George only called in on “Black males”. I wonder what the OTHER people in that community called in on. What if most of the calls from EVERYONE were to report “Black males”?
‘Ok, from everything I know about this case, that’s just not true.’
It is true. Zimmerman has made suspicious person calls on whites and Hispanics, but only before he moved to RATL.
Crump’s digital recorder records mp3 files, State produces wma files. I think Nelson ordered production of original device, not computer manipulated files.
How did you verify that the files were presented as WMA’s?
That’s what GZLegalCase says:
Somehow I missed that little description the first time I looked at the site.
That is just nuts. Those files should be in mp3 format. Why did the State NOT give O’Mara the original files? There’s no excuse for it and it’s as easy as copy-paste-send right from the recorder as an attachment to an email to O’Mara. What the hell is going on?
If the State revived the recorder with wma files on it instead of mp3 files that means someone replaced the mp3 files with wma files on the recorder itself.
If the State “received” not “revived” that is.
I really need to have the ability to edit my comments, lol.
If the State received the recorder with wma files……
I was trying to help… solidarity, bro.
Wheeling and dealing. The state does not want to answer the CRS subpoena.
“That is just nuts. Those files hould be in mp3 format. Why did the State NOT give O’Mara the original files? There’s no excuse for it and it’s as easy as copy-paste-send right from the recorder as an attachment to an email to O’Mara. What the hell is going on?”
+ eleventy. Nelson ordered production of the original device, not computer manipulated wma files. Reminds me of the stonewalling of production of the digital color broken nose photo. State prefers to produce ersatz evidence.
Read this.
http://www.justice.gov/crs/
The token honky in the photo is a nice touch.
From a distance, that looks like Newt.
Why do I suspect it’s not?
Affirmative action?
maybe it will only take another six or nine months for the state ot provide the actual original recordings (I will try to be optimistic for that whole time of GZ and his family’s persecution)
As hard is it is to believe in this day and age, the Sony recorder Crump used doesn’t have a USB port or any other option to upload or download files. The only ports are an earphone jack and a mic jack. Files can only be copied from the device by playing them and re-recording.
Yep, I just updated my blog with that. So now we inch close to solving this nonsense.
I suggest O’Mara go to the FDLE and have them hook that thing up to a computer and assure it’s recorded correctly and see if they can get some better quality.
In addition to replying to the above, I am repeating my post here:
I missed the part somewhere either here or at CTH that the original recording is no longer on the device Crump used to record W8.
Dman: “Here’s the bigger question. How did those files that were recorded get back onto the device? The only way that could happen is if someone put them there.
But the even bigger, bigger question is why would someone replace the original files?”
If they took the original recording, played it, and had a computer RECORD it THROUGH A MIC, this #1 could explain quality. However to answer WHY someone would do that is to be able to EDIT the recording to one’s satisfaction, then play it and record it using the original recording device thereby getting rid of the original altogether, and replacing it with the edited version.
This is why they need to get the recording from Matt Gutman. If his doesn’t match up, then there’s a problem. Unfortunately, the defense is moving like a turtle in getting these tapes al beit they have had one arm tied around their backs because of the Court’s lack of support in helping them to expeditiously obtain these items. Has Gutman’s tape been subpoened? If not, why not?
They are giving these guys too much time to play with the evidence.
I said this a couple times in yesterday’s thread, but I’ll repeat it here: I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if MOM and West already have Gutman’s tape. Gutman has to know that he’s in serious trouble, especially after the NBC suit was filed, Serino lawyering up, Crump looking at possible jail time, etc. So to MITIGATE possible damages to himself and ABC, I can imagine Gutman (with ABC’s approval) cooperating with the defense team. And if so, they may have had his tape for some time now… and therefore they KNOW precisely what is, and is NOT on Crump’s tape. In other words, this is all about comparing the two tapes, and using that to help prove a conspiracy.
And that recording could be the *catalyst* necessary to start the chain reaction necessary break up the “core” conspirators…
natalie jackson is one dumb ass lawyer. with the release of the new documents, she some how still complains about the sanford police department for no doing a through investigation because they did not arrest zimmerman immediately that night. god, yeah, jackson, she needs to keep opening her stupid mouth because her accusations are creating enemies from the major witnesses of the whole case which are the sanford cops who saw the whole aftermath of the shooting. the defense basically has everything from eye witnesses to medical personnels to back up zimmerman’s story to go against a person who was not even there that night. Instead of trying to back off of her accusations, she still keeps pushing foward the whole incompetent officer narrative. Brilliant representation, ms jackson, because the police department should sue her ass for slander.
I want so badly to see her and Crump pay for what they have done. They are pure evil.
Sanford PD sounds like one of the most diverse police organizations in the country
ain’t gonna happen
Maybe not, but it won’t be for lack of trying. Because I think that’s the bulk of what MOM and West (with the help of Beasley) have been doing recently: Collecting evidence and setting traps for all the conspirators in this thing. You don’t seriously believe, do you, that once George is exonerated, everyone’s just gonna say “Whew, glad that’s over with. Let’s just let bygones be bygones now”. Nope. I really think there’s people out for vengeance now… AS THEY SHOULD BE. Listening to Bobby talk (and I presume he’s not speaking in a vacuum), they are VERY much looking for certain people and organizations to pay for what they’ve done, and they also know that that would set some precedents to keep this from ever happening to anyone else in the future.
He was handcuffed and transported. He was not free to go. That sounds like an arrest to me. later he was released when the police determined they had no probable cause to hold him at that time. The video itself clearly shows a person under arrest.
…and he was read his Miranda Rights and he signed that he received them. He was arrested.
There ya go. But the facts don’t matter to the idiots, especially the idiots in charge of the PR campaign.
I love how Crump, Jackson, and the rest of Team Skittles are preying on the stupidity of their fellow blacks. They’re no better than the scammer pastors who accept donations and then run off to buy expensive cars, homes, and jewelry.
The correct thing to say would be they wanted him charged with a crime not arrested.
“Sounds like an arrest to me.”
I totally agree, Howie, and wonder what %-age of the American populace realizes or knows this? I would guess single digits. Sad commentary for sure.
I was told once that to figure out if you are under arrest, ask if you are free to go. Handcuffs and Miranda are a clear indication he was arrested.
Yes. Arrested but not charged.
He was also told to get his butt back to that police station as early as possible the next day (so he could be held for further questioning for hours and hour and hours). At the end of the 2nd day of incessant questions, he was told to get his butt back theri the next day for further questioning.
Each time he was told if he didnt show up for questioning he would be hunted down like a dog until they found him
Yeah, we keep talking about who all George is gonna sue. But he’s not the ONLY one who’s gonna be suing people. Idiots like Crump and NatJack are gonna be getting hit from all directions… not to mention looking at disbarment, and possible jail time.
And about arresting George the night of the shooting?… How is it that even lawyers like Natty and Crump don’t seem to know the law? The law specifically says that if you claim self-defense, and if the evidence doesn’t contradict you, then BY LAW you can NOT be arrested.
Correction… I should have said the law states that he couldn’t be “charged”. Because yeah, whether George was just “detained” or technically “arrested”, either way he was NOT free to just walk out of there anytime he wanted.
It took many many many months to arrest the FAMU hazers, but when blacks kill other blacks, there is no rush to arrest anyone
Daily Daft Posts From Justarse Quest
Today a “touching” exchange between JQ posters as a “senior member” welcomes a neophyte to the sewer. The welcome includes a one paragraph summary of what the GZ case is all about. Naturally it parrots (cockatoos) The Scheme Team narrative.
The case in a Traybot “Nutshell” at Random Topics
http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=584&p=19690#p19690
Not quite, they missed a huge part of the narrative; race.
Yes.
No denying that is there in the Scheme Team Narrative.
I am actually sick and tired of the race part. the kid was in a crime invested community at night time walking around and doing nothing.
The kid was in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the entire world with an equally diverse police department that was representative of the ethnic makeup of the community they served. Yeah, the race angle is very disapointing considering how hard this country has fought for making integration of all possible where this kind of ethnic mixing to this extent has never beforfe occurred
They omit any facts that don’t fit their narrative. A fatal mistake in a legal case.
They also invent facts in the form of speculation… “what if……..”
We all do that, it’s part of discussion, but the “what if…….” does not then become a fact.
There is no evidence or witnesses to support any of their speculation. The State has NOTHING they can state in an opening statement as fact that differs from what GZ has outlined.
God…. I HATE the inability to edit typos
peculation = speculation
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You may not have editing capabilities, but You Have People.
People much appreciated… but I do so many typos I need someone following behind constantly.
We’re all Colonel Blake…. the admins are Radar.
rumpole2, if it makes ya feel better, I have a pretty good sense of posting abilities of treepers, and you have nothing to worry about. So when treepers have a typo I usually have no problems in figuring out what word they meant. I know, I’m like you, I like to have everything spelled correctly, but it happens. To be honest … I have more trouble understanding when ppl post twitter shorthand. I have a hard time following that sometimes. I’m trying to figure which came first … twitter shorthand, or texting shorthand. I can only PECULATE on that. LOL
I happen to be the world’s WORST at typos… it has become my standard practice elsewhere to post what I have.. and then read and edit. A bad habit, I guess, but even when I make the effort to read before posting I STILL miss stuff.
I use a Chrome extension, Grammarly Lite – Smart Spellchecker. It automatically checks for errors as you type, allowing you to correct them instantly. I do not know, but maybe other search engines have similar extensions.
It is a free download and is found here, at the Chrome Web Store. Very simple and easy-to-use extension.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search-extensions/grammerly%20lite%20spellchecker?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon
Thanks
But I have spell check (firefox)… I still manage to stuff up….. lol
They do not apply actual facts of the case to the “elements” of the law. For murder 2 certain elements in the law must be proven by the state. One is Mens Rea. Merely being wary of a prowler on your property does not cut it. T-con exhibited all the characteristics of a person acting in a stealthy manner. Another fact is that Zimmerman was expecting the police to arrive at any moment. He had told them to meet up at his car and call him.
that’s what’s wrong with all you zimmerbots. you folks worry about actual , not the made up stuff from the persecution and their cadre of jury pool polluters
They seem fixated don’t they. Desperately trying to fit square pegs in round holes. They concentrate on totally irrelevant notions. As far as I can tell Zimmerman did absolutely nothing wrong prior to the attack by T-con. The police confirm the attack. The evidence confirms the attack. That is the starting point. Other than the police calls and Zimmerman’s statements there is no evidence here. The state also is fixated on the events prior to the attack by the perp. T-con. According to the police T-con was in the process of committing a felony when the homicide occurred. I still don’t see how the state can get this to a trial.
George Zimmerman is guilty of GETTING out of the car while being percived to be white
follow the MONEY. this is about the civil liability-the criminal case is a convenient smoke screen
It will be interesting to see if the CRS had any contact with Judge Lester. If the CRS in any way was communicating with the trial court itself it will be hell to pay. I think. I keep going back to Lester’s statement in open court. “We are supposed to be tamping this down.” No…a trial court is supposed to be an impartial trier of the facts and seek the truth. Not tamp things down.
There’s one thing in there I haven’t seen before – hollow point bullets.
Maybe I’m just slow and missed it. I don’t care if hollow points were used, I only care if that’s a fact. I Googled the phrase several ways, and only got blogs and forum comments, things like that. So far I have found no credible source. What gives?
Anyway, its interesting to note that when I typed the phrase, “Trayvon Martin shot with ho…” Google immediately suggested, “Trayvon Martin shot how many times?” *sigh* If you don’t know that by now, you might as well give up.
Just another made up fact of the trayvonites. i think i first saw this lie about two months ago (maybe threee)
You can identify the ammunition by looking at the ballistics reports in the July discovery. The bullet type is specified by the code JHP which stands for jacketed hollow point.
Why would a hollow point round be jacketed? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose?
Serino asked Zimmerman what kind of ammo he used. He said ‘I think it was hollow point.’ It was on 2/27, the short post-midnight interview on the night of the shooting.
That was a good question, and the design features seem to work against each other, so I “googled” this explanation:
” Jacketed hollow points (JHPs) or plated hollow points are covered in a coating of harder metal (usually a copper alloy or copper coated steel) to increase bullet strength and to prevent fouling the barrel with lead stripped from the bullet.”
That STILL allows for expansion of the projectile on impact, decreasing the penetration (preventing injuries to 3rd parties standing behind the target) and maximizing the impact to the intended target and causing greater tissue damage. All that, and it is better for the firearm!
He was using hollow point bullets.
most civilian bullets are hollow type because it reduces penetration and weight.
And I just read on wikipedia that they are also safer due to a “reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets“
Hollow points are the most common choice for self defence. They act like it’s something evil.
Thanks for the link, that’s the first time I heard that recording. Interesting that they chose to interview here when she was stuck at the bottom of a mine shaft. All joking aside, the whole interview has all the hallmarks of a liar. The long pauses, the inability to correctly address or completely address the entire question. If I listened to this, my conclusion would be that she knows next to nothing about what happened that day nor did she even know Trayvon Martin that well.
but, but, but, the news media said she was credible…
One of Georgie’s quotes from the NEN call goes something like this: “I think that there is some wrong with him, like he’s on drugs or something.”
It would seem to me that Georgie was correct in that assumption. He probably was high that night AND there had to have been something wrong with him. There was NO reason for a rationally thinking man to assault someone the way he did that night.
We know for a fact that Trademark was high from pot, so GZ was definitely correct with that part of his assessment.
We know he had marijuana in his system but we don’t know if he was high.
Normally speaking, a person does not get violent while high. He would be lethargic, lazy, paranoid and hungry, but getting super violent is very rare.
I smoke I have for years and it’s never made me or anyone I know violent now synthetic marijuana has that affect but we don’t know if they even checked Trayvon for that.
It is very possible that trayvon was on some thing else other than marijuana or even lean. marijuana actually makes a person less violent because of the increase level of paranoia and fear. if codeine is the major ingredient of lean, then the major effect should be drowsiness. the drugs that make people go violent are usually the anti-inhibitory drugs that simple remove people’s fear of punishment, such as pcp or cocaine.
despite its name of getting a high on marijuana, it is more like a very lathargic feeling of relaxation. Now, the artificial ones could simply have different effects that we do not know of.
maybe it’s just me but anytime I have taken codeine I felt it made me a little aggressive.
“In general, after using marijuana a person experiences a sedating effect, which makes the drug less likely to cause violence in users than other substances such as alcohol and stimulants (e.g., amphetamines and cocaine).
However, sometimes when marijuana is used it can cause fear, anxiety, panic or paranoia, which can result in an aggressive outburst. For most people, however, once the effects of the drug wear off, their behaviour gradually improves.
Studies show that violence can occur more often among people who use marijuana regularly, rather than those who use it occasionally or not at all. It is unclear why this is the case, but it may be because people with violent tendencies can also have a range of other psychosocial problems and are therefore more likely to use marijuana. marijuana is also part of the illegal drug market, which may increase the chances of violence occurring in some social interactions.
Research also shows that marijuana users who commit violent acts usually have a history of violence before they start using the drug.
In addition, when people are withdrawing from marijuana they can be irritable, which can lead to abusive or aggressive behaviour.”
http://adai.washington.edu/marijuana/factsheets/aggression.htm
Well I have never seen anyone become violent or aggressive from using marijuana.
withdrawal from and using are two different scenarios.
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in one case one may be aggressive under the influence of the drug and in the other case, the use of the drug has caused you to be aggressive, but it is the lack of the drug that causes the aggressive behavior.
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(though I still sugest that withdrawal from opiates or from the dxm (the stuff with the pcp like high) would leave a person with far more violent tendencies than the weed.
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nobody ever gets violent off of opiates?
codiene is an opiate derivative.
I now understand why Mr. Martin was talking to DD1 for over six hours that day.
If she was using that same phone that she used in the Crump interview, Mr. Martin must have said, “Wha U say?” thousands of times; prolonging the conversation.
Martin: Say What?
DD: Umm glugbmne
Martin: Say What?
DD: Ahh mnnn ughabugah oom bah
Martin: Say What?
There’s a strong possibly, imo, that DD is “special.”
Could you do a transcript of the entire DD-Crump “interview”?
Q: Did you know that you were the last person to speak to Trayvon, your very best friend ever since kindergarten, alive, just before he was hunted down like a rabid dog and shot to death by a big crazy creepy scary old white dude?
DD: Can we go to McDonalds now?
mcdonalds part was cutted because it was irrelevant,
Thanks Howie! That is the funniest thing I have read all day!
I noticed in the inventory list that TM had some $40 plus change in his pockets.
Back at the 711 he pulled out some cash when he made his transactions, Is is possible to determine from the 711 videos what kind of cash came out of his pockets at that time; i.e., did TM accumulate some cash (via a transaction perhaps) between the time he left 711 and the time he ran into GZ?
My observations of what happened at the 7-11 is that he palmed some money while standing at the counter. My guess is that it was a couple of bucks to buy a blunt from the 3 stooges. So, because of that, I believe he SPENT money and not received money. Did he spent money on pot at that time or did he already have some on him when he went to the store? Remember he was given up to $100 the day before by Tracy and only $40.25 was found on him (40.15 + .10). I say he spent money on pizza, watermelon drink, Skittles and pot.
To you legal experts, I have a question:
If the prosecution doesn’t want to put DeeDee on the stand, can GZ’s defense team call her?
It’s obvious to me that Crump, with Matt Gutman and probably Ryan Julison too as enablers, blasted the “distraught girlfriend” fairy tale to the public to brainwash potential jurors and possibly the judge as well. Crump knew from day 1 that the information DeeDee provided is of no use and that she invokes about as much sympathy as a clump of dirt would. He knew that he had to make the public connect with her on an emotional level so that they wouldn’t pay attention to the facts but instead unconciously extrapolate her useless statements and uncaring personality into something damaging to the defense. Crump’s prior tactics worked so well for him …. employing years old photos of Trademark, the Skittles and hoodie memes, and the race-baiting clowns (Frederica Wilson was the best, IMO) …… he felt confident that the public could easily be swayed once again. Crump has effectively put DeeDee on the stand but has not allowed the defense to cross-examine. Will the defense get their chance in court, IF it goes that far?
(unconsciously! I hate typos)
dd is the case. without her, there is only sabrina fulton.
“It’s obvious to me that Crump, with Matt Gutman and probably Ryan Julison too as enablers, blasted the “distraught girlfriend”
Yes, Gutman said: “She said, “suddenly Martin was cornered!”
I did not hear that particular BS on any of the DD recordings.
Oh, I forgot about that! Gutman’s absurd editorializing! I was just thinking about his eagerness to play tiny bits of Crump’s interview on the national news, his “cornered” BS is far worse. It’s as Frederica WIlson screeching “gunned down”. Neither of them has ever apologized for lying, have they?
(as bas as)
Keep trying!
I wish I were one of those people who just didn’t care.
Here’s Gutman’s web article: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-arrest-now-abc-reveals-crucial-phone/story?id=15959017
“Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.”
Yes, Trademark was “cornered” here:
http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/zimmerman-sidewalk-f-looking-toward-brandys-house.jpg?w=640
Remember the time frame. GZ had not been arrested. Along comes DD (after Benny, Tracy and Sybrina had heard the NEN call), and from her statement they get the information that TM was afraid, he had “lost” the creepy white dude, and then the creepy white dude found him, and pushed him, and then shot him.
Mar 16: GZ’s NEN call is made available to the public
Mar 18: Tracy Martin and Ben Crump allegedly discover Dee Dee while looking through Trademark’s phone billing records
Mar 19: Crump interviews DD1
Mar 20: Crump holds his press conference and presents DD1 to the public.
Very convenient timing !
I’m no legal expert, but I think I can answer your question. Yes, they can call her. Keep in mind, though, that neither of the interviews with Crump and BDLR are admissible evidence. They’re inadmissible hearsay. So if the state doesn’t call DeeDee, none of her testimony will come in unless the defense calls her. So the defense would only call her it they think her testimony will help their case. If the defense does call her, they may be allowed to treat her as an adverse witness, which would let them ask leading questions — the “Isn’t it true…” kind of questions that aren’t normally permitted on direct examination.
I’m sure many of you have noticed that Crump’s interview of DD1 does not contain the statement about Trademark being “right by” Brandy’s apartment as De La Rionda’s interview of DD2 does. Was this just a later elaboration? If so, it was definitely a mistake on DD2′s part because she establishes that Trademark backtracked to meet up with GZ at the T in the sidewalk. Or did DD1 also state this information but it’s missing from Crump’s delivered recording to GZ’s defense team? I find it very odd that Part 2 begins with DD1 already speaking, so some portion of what she said is missing. Did she mention Trademark’s location and Crump edited it out because he knew it would be problematic?
I’m sorry, I meant Part 3, not Part 2.
Among the many problems w/DeeDee as a witness is that even before she was steered toCrump and Co., she very likely had her memory (of the events of that night) contaminated by facts, speculations, and outright lies that she heard and read subsequent to that evening, that is, before Crump and whomever questioned her.
Crump’s questioning of her in this audio release is akin to a bull thrashing about in a china shop. From what has been released to the public so far, Crump seems to have made no effort to test whatever DeeDee was recounting, and was focused on getting her to confirm/conform to his desired narrative.
A competent investigator will not lead his/her witness, and proceeds cautiously knowing full well that many initial recountings of events are incomplete. The witness temporarily forgets some salient details, only to remember some of those additional details after the interview is over. Subsequent interviews may elicit further salient and accurate details. This is another reason why it is most desirable to have the same investigative team in the investigation from beginning to end.
She was absolutely contaminated. She mentioned that Trademark was profiled because he wore a hoodie. And if I understand her correctly, she also stated that it was a racial incident. I guess she didn’t refer to him as a “chile” because it would have looked bad for a 16 or 18 year old girl to be dating a child.
“I find it very odd that Part 2 begins with DD1 already speaking, so some portion of what she said is missing.”
I noted that also. Obstruction of justice, tampering with evidence? Why did the State produce computer manipulated wma files instead of the original mp3 files?
“Why did the State produce computer manipulated wma files instead of the original mp3 files?”
So John, “You want that, too?”
Couldn’t resist…
I believe the evidence document states that the cd which is provided is recorded from the digital recorder. It is very much possible that there are more to come, but o’mara needs more time to upload everything.
The Florida Times had a article on GZ and it had a section in it that said the two major changes to Serinos statements where 1. The Change to the charges. ( from Murder in the 2nd degree to manslaughter ) 2. A strongly worded section codeming GZ for his actions. ( Which stated The encounter between GZ and TM was ultimately avoidable by GZ if he had remained in his vechicle.)
Where I have a problem with Serino codeming him of his action …. is because I would like to know if Serino was aware of what the dispatcher had said to GZ before he wrote that statement . Why would a person who didn’t even wont to speak to someone who was acting wierd….. all of a sudden wont to just get out of his vechicle and see where he went unless he thought that is what he was being ask to do when the NEN operator keep saying let me know what he does next . People can say what they wont ,but the way a person act’s when you pass them or they are around you is how you will react to that person. ( such as.. if they act dangerous you stay away , if they act kind you speak etc… etc. If GZ was avoiding a confrontation while in his vechicle why in the world would he go looking for one out side of it.
+1 He was asked to. If the perp/prowler had run around the corner he had to get out.
“Where I have a problem with Serino”
is the fact that he is either grossly incompetent or else intentionally avoided attempting to correlate the facts with the elements of manslaughter or 2nd degree murder, as set forth in the statutes and standard jury instructions. Examples of this include “could have been avoided” and his prefight handicapping, as if he were evaluating a prospective boxing match instead of a violent assault which had already occurred. Neither of those factors are in any way relevant to a determination of whether or not GZ shot Trayvon in self-defense pursuant to Florida statutes.
John Galt : I agree !
He knows he shot in self defense and the homicide was justified. He is trying to concoct a manslaughter charge in spite of that. That much is clear. Wolfie did not buy it. Corey was sent in to overcharge and pressure for a plea. The CRS was behind the scene manipulating everything. That is what I think. I hope the defense investigation puts the kibosh on this travesty.
howie:
I don’t believe that Serino could “know” that GZ fired in self-defense and that homicide was justified.
Serino knows what GZ said that happened, and he knows that the available evidence, at least at the outset, supports GZ’s statements.
Based on what Serino knew, the murder charge was not justified.
I think if Murder 2 was not justified neither was a lesser charge. There is just no evidence of it. He tried to concoct a charge due to pressure from the AA players.
What about involuntary manslaughter? Not that I agree with this charge either, but at least, it would pass a smell test.
justifiable homicide
As I understand it, Florida does not offer that charge. There is no voluntary or involuntary, just one category for manslaughter.
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/florida-law/florida-involuntary-manslaughter-laws.html
well that settles the manslaughter business…
We would still be back here proclaiming the same defense for Involuntary Manslaughter as we are for Murder 2. No?
■Justifiable use of deadly force to defend against a felony committed against a person or property.
It’s obvious that Mr. Martin was commiting a felony of aggrevated assault with intent to do grave bodily harm or death.
Nope. If it’s self-defense, it’s self-defense. NO charge, even something as relatively “minor” as Inv. MS
None of us “know” for sure that GZ is telling the truth in his statements, except we all make that value judgement (and a jury will too) and it is reasonable to believe GZ… he comes across as telling the truth to me.
Added to that is the “Voice Stress Test” done at a very stressful time. As far as you can scientifically evaluate things GEORGE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. Including his assertion that he was “in fear of his life” I can’t really understand why this farce continues from that point.
Even those who (for whatever reason) doubt George’s word need an alternative if they are to abandon George’s description of events…. yet there is NO ALTERNATIVE VERSION. NONE of the eyewitness testimony is inconsistent with G’s version… NONE… not even DD.
Unless there is a “Perry Mason” type witness around there is no alternative version that the prosecution can use to show probable cause, let alone put forward as a State narrative when they open their case at trial.
The continuation of this Lynch Quest is a farce.
The “Lynch Quest” will continue, at least for a while, because it is now caught up in the wheels of our justice system.
Check with the CRS. I suspect the answers lie there.They were employed to work with elected officials and LEO’s behind the scenes and out of the public eye to “tamp this thing down down.” Charging Zimmerman was part of the “deal.” Of course it is illegal for a CRS agent to speak in public about their activities. If they do so it is a Federal crime. So if called to testify they will all be forced to take the 5th. However I have not been able to find out if it is illegal for others to testify about their contacts with CRS agents.
When George was told their was a video of the whole incident, he sounded relieved. I think at that point, there was no doubt he was telling the truth. If he had been guilty, he would have panicked at the thought of a video, he didn’t.
Excellent observation, yankee!
Ding, ding, ding.
Another winner.
post of the day
Serino was aware of everything said on the call between George and the “dispatcher”. He played the entire call for George when he questioned him.
LetJusticePrevail : Then Serino is just full of crap ! He has been doing his job so long that he thinks or should I say (assumes ) everyone would handle a situation the way he would. I have seen this before when people train other people after being on there job for a while…… they assume the new person is suppose to automatically know what they know with out the experience to go with it.
Serino is full of crap and very two faced. He out lied to the Zimmerman camp saying he did not suggest charges be brought against George. Serino caved to pressures from within the department.
justfactsplz : He has mastered the art of “CYA”
Absolutely.
Apparently, he has not mastered CYA very well; he IS on night patrol. Lucky, and unfair, that he still has a job.
dmoseylou : I forgot about that ! I don’t like to laugh at other peoples misfortunes but this is one time that karma came around pretty fast to bite him on the butt he….. he…..
dmoseylou: This might pop up twice I am in moderation (typo)…. I had forgot about that ! I don’t like to laugh at other peoples misfortunes but looks like Karma came around pretty fast on him he…… he…..
Getting out of the car while perceived to be white is still illegal in most states (get with the program or get some help)
Thats funny lol !
So the new story from the crazy Trayvonites is that not only did Trayvon not even touch George, but it was a Sanford police officer that beat George up. Forget about the witnesses that saw Trayvon on George beating him.
that is such a nutty theory.
e2w: There all nutty buddy’s . Sorry…. couldn’t help my self lol !
You’re joking, right?
Personally, I do not even think dd’s testimony is very helpful to the prosecution’s case. in the first bond hearing, dale gilbrith can not even answer who started the fight or even if zimmerman kept following martin after the 911 operator told him not to, In addition, dale had already stated the 911 tape is the only evidence which proves zimmerman followed trayvon after he got out of the car. If all they have are the 911 tape as an objective evidence, then chief lee was right for not arresting zimmerman due to lack of evidence. Justice for Lee! Justice For Lee! JUSTICE FOR LEE!
Lee needs to be cleared from all wrong doing and he deserves an apology on national media. Bonaparte is the one who should lose his job.
I feel sorry for him he didn’t deserve the way he was treated and what happened to him.
He handled the investigation in the proper way. He was railroaded just like George.
Yep … He was
Beasley may bring Lee into their civil cases (as a co-plaintiff) before this is over.
That would be great.
I have been dying to hear what Bill Lee will say after this is all over. He got TOTALLY shafted by the City of Sanford and I am hoping that he has legal recourse against them.
if the prosecution wants to bring up the serino report, then the defense should also bring up the fact that the report states THE SCREAMS ARE FROM ZIMMERMAN.
This is what I enjoy about the treehouse.
serious discussion of the actual evidence.
excellent work e2w!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got to love it. I had someone on Click Orlando call me racist because I asked Bigboi if she wrote any bad checks recently. I guess they are too stupid to realize that she is not black and it was a reference to her convictions for oh I don’t know writing bad checks.
Now I have heard a few times that Bigboi was the pit bull that caused George to buy the gun in the first place. Has that ever been proven? If so that explains a lot and would provide a huge motive for the slander case against her.
In this article written by Reuters, Chris Francescani writes the name of the dog who terrorized the Zimmermans was BigBoi.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
So is the twit we know from the dog pound who goes by the name Bigboi actually the owner of said dog or did she just pick that name to be more of a biach. There are pictures of her with a pitbull.
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Seminole-County-FL/Christina-Kamara.2785740.html
Spot the dog
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/SpotDog2.jpg
Merci.
aka Trixiemay at JQ
This one is even nicer: http://florida.arrests.org/mugs/Seminole/2009/200900010051.jpg
She looks like a person who majors in cheerful.
She and some dude with the same last name have their own company?
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Orlando/kamara-capital-corp-5728123.aspx
Oh, they were divorced in 2011.
http://circuitdata.shelbycountytn.gov/crweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_docket_report?case_id=CT-001927-11&begin_date=&end_date=
She must be very important. She has been the head of numerous companies.
http://www.bizapedia.com/people/CHRISTINA-KAMARA.html
OK, I’m done.
Amazing how nasty/evil nature eventually shows in the way people look.
ROFLMAO!!
Are you saying you know the real identity of bigboithedog? How funny! Does it live in Orlando?
It’s on this site if you look back in the archives.
It’s not possible to search that way on WordPress though, so unless Tara wants to read every comment from every previous post regarding the George Zimmerman case I would suggest a search through Google; like “theconservativetreehouse” + “bigboi” or “theconservativetreehouse” + “bigboithedog” something like that anyway.
See above
Tara was looking for that. Know anything about the recently released recording?
Which? The Crump tape?
But of course, lol. See link to my comment above for one particular issue.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/01/09/01-09-george-zimmerman-case-open-discussion-thread/#comment-284948
I wasn’t aware of that, let me get back to you
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/update-crumpw8-recording/
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/contact-me/
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/update-crumpw8-recording/
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/contact-me/
Mung, It is true. She is a lovely person
I’m listening again to Serino’s interviews with GZ. Available here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html
The accompanying article states that Serino described Trademark as a “child”. Doesn’t that indicate bias? The article also states that Zimmerman didn’t know the street names of his community. I haven’t gotten far enough in the interviews to hear Serino complain about that, but I do remember in some interview GZ said he was looking for a house number nearest the place where he lost sight of Trademark, not a street name.
By the way, in the second interview Serino tells GZ that he noted “some inconsistencies that don’t amount to much”. But the media reports implied significant glaring errors in GZ’s story. Where did that come from? Maybe I’m not far enough in the interviews yet. I need to see Serino’s written docs too.
In the 3rd interview, GZ states that Trademark looked suspicious because it was raining and Trademark was standing, just looking around, not walking or going anywhere to get out of the rain. That would look suspicious to me too.
Also in interview 3, when playing the NEN call Serino asks GZ what he whispered, and GZ replies “f*cking punks”. Serino repeats the phrase, then admonishes GZ by saying “he wasn’t a f*cking punk”. Apparently at this time Serino was under the impression that Trademark was an innocent candy-bearing child who majored in cheerful and was skipping home to his loving parents. Er, to the apartment of his married father’s mistress’ apartment I mean. While high. And to that apartment because he’d been kicked out of school for the 2nd (or was it 3rd ?) time.
and why would he admonish GZ when he has no idea what the kid was up to? He doesn’t have ALL the facts but knows the kid isn’t a punk. hmmmm … ok. Look, here’s what is clear to me. ONE OFFICER in this entire case hires BAEZ. Why? Cause that one officer knows what he did was not on the up and up. This ONE officer knows that the defense is gonna put him on the hotseat. His report should be matched against what transpired in all the meetings the cops had where he basically sat with his mouth shut … where he was given every opportunity to speak up, were all the cops were asked about the evidence, etc. and he sat like a potted plant. Not ONE peep out of him when they decided there was nothing to charge GZ with. ONE OFFICER HIRES BAEZ. Think about that.
I suspect all of them have lawyered up.
ottawa925: It makes me wonder if Serino had something personal against GZ. I wonder if he was friends with or knew anyone connected to the Ware case .
After the interviews Serino acted like a friend to George. It makes me sick.
Serino gets more gruff and opinionated with each interview. He starts out sounding fairly unbiased but soon vocalizes obvious prejudice. I find “He wasn’t a f*cking punk” most disturbing! This was on Feb 29, just a few days after the shooting. I can understand if Serino felt GZ’s story didn’t quite make sense, it’s the job of the investigator to be skeptical and look for discrepancies, but an investigator should always be objective. Serino knew that Trademark was 17 years old and he must have seen the evidence photos so he knew what Trademark looked like. Serino’s been in law enforcement for 15 years? He’s seen plenty of 17 year olds, he knows that some look and act very much like adults, and some are troubled. Why would he assume Trademark was some innocent kid before knowing anything at all about him? I’m going to listen to those recordings again.
I’ve just assumed that most of that stuff was Serino playing the “bad cop” game. Trying to trip George up, etc… like a lot of cops do during interviews. “It’s nothing personal”, as they might say. And I wouldn’t have a real problem with that…. EXCEPT for the fact that then later it was Serino who wanted charges filed. Which makes the stuff he said/did during George’s interviews even more odd.
I don’t think Serino had anything against George, I think he was just doing his job. Interrogators are supposed to put pressure on suspects to give them a chance to crack, or maybe just say something incriminating. It’s nothing personal. I do, however, think his comment about George staying in his vehicle was out of line. George had no way of knowing what was going to happen if he got out of his vehicle. He obviously thought TM was running away, and that he would never run into him again.
He could not. Due to the pressure cooker he was in. There were various nefarious forces at work. George was and is irrelevant. He is just a citizen being flayed, drawn, and quartered. Much more is in play than a simple justifiable homicide of a gangbanging little thug. Much more.
Serino’s comment about all of GZ’s calls to 911 being about black males is something I had almost forgotten about. It’s an out-and-out lie…I reviewed the logs of all GZ’s calls to 911 and only a handful of them specified black males. One of the calls was to report his concern for the safety of a black male child playing unsupervised in the street. Serino’s comment also injects race into the case even as he is telling the FBI that he felt that race had nothing to do with the shooting. To me it is this statement that is the smoking gun against Serino, not the “this could have been avoided” comment.
“To me it is this statement that is the smoking gun against Serino”
Or maybe more precisely (in my opinion) a smoking gun against those 3 or 4 cops who PRESSURED Serino to lie.
By the time Zimmerman was living at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, he knew better than to call 911 to report suspicious persons.
It is true that most of Zimmerman’s non-emergency calls were not reports of suspicious black persons. Most of them were not reports of suspicious persons. After moving to RATL, he didn’t report any suspicious persons until the rash of burglaries began.
When you narrow the search as Serino did, to suspicious person calls made while Zimmerman was a resident of RATL, the statement is correct. All of those suspicious persons were black males.
Ok, if that’s the case, then it obviously requires a follow-up question: Of the many other “suspicious person” calls by OTHER residents of the Retreat during that time period, how many of THEM were regarding “black males”? That’s really a rhetorical question, because I don’t think we can find the answer to that. But if we could, I have a funny feeling it wouldn’t be much different from George’s call record.
“THEY” might then say that proves that ALL the people at the retreat are Raciss… that is their claim anyway.
Yep, that speaks volumes.
justfactsplz …you apparently get what I’m pointing to. Whether or not other officers hired attorneys I do not know. What I’m pointing to is that Serino hired the HIGH PROFILE ATTORNEY that represented Casey Anthony. That’s what I’m pointing to. Not just ANY old damn attorney … but Baez. Why did he need such a high profile and I’m sure .. very expensive attorney? An attorney who the viewing public saw pull every trick in the book. Are we forgetting so fast how Baez bamboozled 12 ppl on a jury? And recently on the Anthony case we learn that someone did not spell a word properly and totally missed a word which would have led them to find evidence on Casey’s computer. Investigators “made the search for “fool-proof suffication,” misspelling “suffocation”.
http://www.google.com/search?q=investigators+misspelled+Casey+Anthony+case&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADFA_en
Then you hear/read that Baez was ready and waiting if they had brought that up in Court. Why was he ready and waiting? Are you not supposed under discovery to provide via the words “any and all”? Baez withheld evidence.
Yes, I said a long time ago on this form that the hiring of Baez is VERY telling. Telling of someone who feels there is a chance they will be exposed and get their you know whats caught in the wringer.
Serino’s choice of Jose says a lot. I think he played both sides of the issue and it caught up with him and he is covering his behind. I do not trust him and I have my reasons.
Funny if MOM or West make Serino agree in his deposition that Trayvon was, in fact, a punk.
GZ said he was frustrated b/c he couldn’t remember the name of the street his truck was parked on. That hasn’t been refuted. He never says Twin Tree Lane to the dispatcher. After getting out of the truck to keep an eye on Trayvon who rounded the corner and went south on the sidewalk, GZ talks to Sean for another 2 full minutes. Then he says he kept walking straight through to the next street which he knew was his street, Retreat View Circle to get a house number. It would have also given him a great vantage point if Trayvon had of come out from between the houses onto RVC and been able to tell the dispatcher which way the youth went.
He could see the house numbers on Twin Tree Lane but couldn’t remember the street’s name. On the other street, he knew the name but didn’t know what number house would be closest to direct police to the T intersection sidewalk that separated the backyards of both streets.
Exactly. These people who make a big deal about him not remembering the street name make no sense. They go on and on about how George must have been lying. Well… WHY? Why on earth would he be lying to the dispatcher? Was George just PRETENDING to not know the street name and addresses? Seriously… that would make NO sense.
From the very beginning George said he was looking for the address. When I first was told what happened to George, I was told that Trayvon attacked out of nowhere while George was looking for the address.
nettles18: How do you know the NEN operators name was Sean ?
He says it at the beginning of the call. Plus his initial is S in the police reports, plus I looked him up as well and it’s Sean.
D-Man : Thank you
“Sanford Police Department, the call is being recorded. This is Sean…”
(or words to that affect)
jello: Thank you to
And this reminded me of something. Awhile back, someone (maybe on JQ?) was arguing with me about what the dispatcher had said to George. This person kept saying, “No, she told George to stay in the truck.” I asked who “she” was, and they said, “The dispatcher of course.” Whereupon I asked if they’ve even LISTENED to the tape, and they got all insulted and said YES!
Umm…..
I don’t think the ME has but as his autopsy finding of “body hair of adult-male-pattern distribution” flies in the face of the “Child” scenario, no doubt he should.
Oops, make that “hair of adult-male-pattern distribution”, post puberty not of the Child/Kid scenario .
From the Motion To Compel Production Of Evidence From Third-party on page 3 and footnote 7.
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1112/motion_to_compel.pdf
It says that the Crump recording has obviously been edited because the recording is only half the length of the phone call between him and W8.
How would they know how long the phone call was? The only way I could think is from DeeDee’s cell phone records, which from the recording sounds like that’s what they are calling her on since they asked Crump if she could use a land line.
The original release of the recording is 14:32, the new release is 15:02 so all we got was 30 seconds more.
Where’s the other apx. 15 minutes? Did Crump not give it to the State? Did the State not give it to O’Mara? Did O’Mara not give it to us?
Or another possibility (and you know what I’m about to say, don’t you?
) …
MOM and West know how long the whole call was because they already have a recording of the full thing… Gutman’s tape.
Always the optimist, lol. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Have you seen the time?
What has MoM filed today?
Yep.
Nothing.
16 days left to file.
But hey, at least he released a little discovery.
If what you say is true, Jello… then defence will have to reveal that in their own discovery.
I hope you are right, but my gut feeling that you are not. They have not got Guttman’s tape. I actually see him handing it over unless complelled and if their was a subpoena there would have been record of it.
Yep. And it should be shown in the docket yet what a surprise there is none filed.
http://www.criminalexpungeandseal.com/state-rules/3-220.html
Oh yeah… if they have the tape, I’m sure they’ve informed Bernie about that by now. But as for the public being made aware of that fact, I don’t know. How long do they (either side) have to make something publicly known? And of course you all may be right. There’s probably more of a chance of you being right than me. But I really don’t think my theory is so far-fetched. If Gutman (or ABC in general) are paying any attention at all, they know they’re gonna eventually be looking at some massive lawsuits. And I think they know it’s gonna be VERY hard for them to prevail in those suits. So why NOT try to do something to make things easier on themselves, while they still have a chance?
I hate playing lawyer but don’t they have to go through the court? The word “serve” sticks out to me here.
“the defendant shall serve a written Discovery Exhibit”
http://www.criminalexpungeandseal.com/state-rules/3-220.html
http://dictionary.findlaw.com/definition/serve.html
This is O’Mara’s Notice of Reciprocal Discovery from back in June
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/notice%20of%20reciprocal%20discovery.pdf
and here’s a Notice of Taking Depositions
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Notice%20of%20Taking%20Depositions%2011%2008%2012.pdf
I am awaiting approval again…. suspended for notty thoughts I guess?
Well, you guys should know better than to publicly disagree with me!
They know.
If so, this is all purely strategic. Jello and I both have been saying for a while that they may just be laying traps but you would think the State would come to their senses and see what is happening.
The state would not see the truth of the matter if it bit them in the nose. Strategy is everything. This is right down West’s alley.
In my opinion, the State knows very well where this is headed. And they will shortly be approaching MOM/West and asking them what it’ll take to “make this all go away”.
And how do you think that the Defense would respond? Any deal would have to mean immunity and a cash settlement and I do not know that they have the authority to do that. There has been lots of discussion about this here before.
This is just a guess, but:
I think MOM and West would agree to NOT file any kind of ethics or criminal complaints against any of the “official” members of the prosecution, like Bernie or Corey; and also to NOT file any civil suits against them or the state. In return, the prosecution would agree to hold something akin to an immunity hearing. But it would be non-confrontational. The defense would just lay out all the evidence showing that George is innocent, and that he was railroaded, and the State would stipulate to pretty much everything. Which would make Nelson’s ruling a mere formality. That would have the effect of not only clearing George criminally, but also helping to clear his name in the public arena.
But I do NOT think any such deal will include Crump, Jackson, or the others (including the media, etc). They will be on their own… having in effect been thrown under the bus by Corey, Bernie, and the state.
“It says that the Crump recording has obviously been edited because the recording is only half the length of the phone call between him and W8.”
Ooops. Should have used anonymous prepaid phones.
I want to repeat something that has been written on TCTH at least twice but is easily lost among all of the other facts …. on a Nancy Grace show Trademark’s uncle Ronquavis Fulton stated that he met DeeDee at the funeral, but Crump and DD1 (and DD2?) claim that she didn’t go to the funeral.
GRACE: Ronquavis Fulton, I want to talk to you about Trayvon Martin. Do you know this girl he was talking to on the phone that evening?
FULTON: No, but I met her at the funeral.
GRACE: You did?
FULTON: Yes.
GRACE: Did you have any opportunity to talk to her?
FULTON: No, not personally. Just a meet — just a formal meeting.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/02/ng.01.html
This is the same show in which Darryl Parks gets the story wrong and states that DeeDee went to the hospital immediately after Trademark was killed, not at the time of the funeral:
PARKS: Well, number one, this young lady was very traumatized from this event. She in fact had to go to the hospital immediately after his death because it was such a traumatic event for her.
Wait a minute! Surely someone has noted this before and I’m behind ………..
Ronquavis Fulton met DeeDee at Trademark’s funeral on March 3 and there was some kind of “formal meeting”. But Crump claims that he and Tracy Martin discovered Dee Dee on March 18. Am I missing something or is this an obscenely massive discrepancy????
Yes people have noticed these things before, they tend to come up in comments sections of the GZ open threads or basically any post regarding George. There of course has been no new information regarding this and this recent release of the recording doesn’t help much in that regard. I don’t see how what you particularly mention here counts for a discrepancy. Just because Trayvon’s cousin supposedly met her at the funeral does not necessarily mean that info got to Crump or Tracy prior to the 18th.
It all depends on which DeeDee and which time continuum you are in. Damn Tardis has the time streams all mixed up and Crump can’t be held accountable for that can he? I am the DeeDarlik.
I’d rather not confuse the matter further. I’m commenting as if there is only one DeeDee.
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/The_Dalek_Lama_by_Carthoris.jpg
The interviewer didn’t ask Ronquavis any follow-up questions. He didn’t explain how he knew this was the person on the phone with Martin on 2/26, or when he found out. That’s how he described her, not as Trayvon’s gf or anything else. (Paraphrasing. I haven’t listened to the interview lately.)
I think I should have said that was how the interviewer described her, in the question Ronquavis was answering when he said he met her at the funeral.
Oops. I see the relevant bit was transcribed at the start of the sub-thread.
During Crump’s press conference he stated that DeeDee was so “sick” she was unable to attend Trademark’s wake (Fri Mar 2), but he doesn’t mention the funeral (Sat Mar 3). I’m unable to access Crump’s interview with DD1 right now so I can’t verify whether or not DD1 mentioned the wake or the funeral specifically, I only remember that she mentioned her mother taking her to the hospital “at two-something”. But BDLR questioned DD2 about the wake and funeral, and she indicated that she didn’t go to either one:
BDLR: Were you able to go to the funeral or to the wake?
Dee Dee: I was goin’ to go, but…
BDLR: OK, what happened?
Dee Dee: I didn’ feel good.
BDLR: OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere?
Dee Dee: Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure.
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/the-trayvon-martin-case-update-11-the-dee-dee-interview-kaboom
Even if we’re extremely generous and we consider that DeeDee was confused due to being so distraught
and she skipped the wake but went to the funeral, are we expected to believe that DeeDee showed up at the funeral and had a “formal meeting” with one or more of Trademark’s relatives but she never told any of them that she’d been on the phone with Trademark the evening he was killed? Tracy Martin was present at the funeral, wasn’t he? If Ronquavis met DeeDee and there was a “formal meeting”, are we expected to believe that Tracy Martin wasn’t part of that meeting? And considering that DeeDee was Trademark’s “girlfriend”, are we expected to believe that none of the family members thought to ask her if she’d spoken to Trademark that day?
In DD2′s interview with BDLR she stated that Trademark was being followed by someone, that he was afraid, that she urged him to run, that she heard Trademark get pushed, and that she heard him say “get off get off” just before their call ended. She also stated that she attempted to call him back 2 or 3 times. It appears she was concerned for his welfare, so are we expected to believe that she convey any of this info to Trademark’s family members during the “formal meeting” at the funeral?
Tracy Martin had been working with Crump since Feb 29, but the official story is that he didn’t tell Crump about DeeDee until Sun Mar 18, when Tracy was reviewing the phone bill.
Interesting note: During an NPR interview on Mar 29, Crump refers to DeeDee as Trademark’s “friend”, not his “girlfriend”. I wonder when he changed his mind about their relationship. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/29/149614173/trayvon-martins-family-boosts-public-profile
All of that is worth digging into, but the “formal” part, I’m not so sure about. I think the guy might have meant to say INformal meeting. He wasn’t able to talk to her personally… he just met her… an “informal meeting”. I may be wrong, but I think that makes more sense…. basically that he just misspoke.
She or the other DD has stated it was because she could not Pee. Now. High blood pressure does not cause a person to be unable to Pee.
inflammed prostate could cause urinary problems, but she does not have one. in the bernie interview, she said it was high blood pressure, which is really rare in a woman of 18 or 16 years old unless she is severely obese. In another video, natalie jackson claimed it was emotional stress of hearing her best friend’s death caused her to go to the hospital. From what I heared so far, she did not showed any emotions during both interviews which is very rare for a women of her age unless she had many friends who died of homicide that she became immune to it.
another possibility is uti which is a norm for a female of her age.
Not being able to pee could be from drug use. High blood pressure could be from telling lies.
while this is a really small detail, but lack of any emotions from dd during both interviews is relatively odd for most women. women are usually much more emotional than and especially teenagers. However, it is just really odd that dd just did not seem to be showing any emotions during both interviews. If she was actually a friend of trayvon martin, then should she at least be crying. I listened to the part where crump asked her if she knew she was the last person who spoke to trayvon and I was expecting her to be crying, but her answer seem to be cold or even like yeah I know and lets get this over with. is it just me or did any one else knotice the relationship between dd and trayvon was actually never really close? she claimed that they had known each other since kindergarden, but no one in the martin family knew her before. another thing is she never called the cops after she listened to her best friend was getting attack by this mysterious white man (lets assume that is true) or not even leaving any voice mails on his phone to check to see that he was okay (no record of any voice mail is really odd). to me that is really strange for a person who used to be friends since kindergarden and was playing with each other in their own home. the interviews truly seem really cold and her answers seem to be very anticipatory, like they were rehearsed before. That is just my observation.
Diwataman, I read your blog about no judge wanting to take responsibility for granting George immunity, but think about this- what would be better for Team Skittles 1) Going to trial where the prosecution makes idiots of all of them or 2) George being granted immunity? Keep in mind if George is granted immunity they will be able continue the narrative and Trayvon becomes a martyr for their “cause”. That would be worth a fortune for the race hustlers. Worst case scenario for them is if George was convicted.
The narrative is already embedded in the hearts and minds of America and the Scheme Team will continue the narrative till the day they die. Nothing will change that. They have already made Trayvon a martyr for their “cause”. Nothing will change that either. It has already become a money-maker for the race hustlers and Crump has advanced his black leadership status quite handily with this case as it is. Sure if George is granted immunity he can’t be sued but they will sue other entities, they already have.
Dman:
Let’s not forget that even if Nelson denies immunity, there is always the DCA and beyond that the Florida Supreme Court. So he has 3 chances before a jury would ever hear this.
Just more judges that will have to answer to billionaires and politicians as to why they started the riots.
Do you honestly believe he will lose all 3 chances?
yep
I don’t think so.
If the judge rules he doesn’t have immunity, then for the time being he doesn’t have it. I think the trial and appeal would proceed in parallel.
Do you know something new that the rest of us here don’t know? If immunity is denied, he will appeal that decision to the DCA just as has done in the past. If that fails, then he can appeal to the Florida Supreme Court. Why do you think he cannot do that?
http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?xmldoc=20081010983So2d27_1998.xml
Seems to me that there would be an opportunity for an immediate pre-trial “appeal” via writ of prohibition.
“We affirm on the basis of res judicata because this issue was raised in a pre-trial petition for writ of prohibition that was denied “on the merits” by this court in Rice v. State, (Fla. 1st DCA 2010), reported at 45 So.3d 466″
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1604061.html
“Unlike other original writ proceedings, once a show cause order issues in prohibition, it automatically stays the lower court proceeding. Fla. R. App. P. 9.100(h).”
https://www.floridabar.org/divcom/jn/jnjournal01.nsf/Author/679F81266DD56003852571060056CD8B
Of course he can appeal before the trial. I was just assuming that the appeals process would take some time, and probably wouldn’t be completed before the trial date. But I was just guessing. I don’t know how long such things usually take.
My point was just that I didn’t think the trial would be delayed pending the appeal.
I wouldn’t be my life on it, but I’m ALMOST certain that yeah, there WOULD be a halt to proceedings while the appeal was being heard and decided.
There are some things that a judge has no choice in. One is the on point application of a constitution or a statute. Another is on point precedent with binding and mandatory authority. If these can be presented to the court the judge and court is bound by them.
Sorry folks, but since the prosecution is building a major portion of their case around DD, and since MOM/West now have the tapes, they need to get their butts in gear and get this girl in for a nice long deposition. Her MOTHER too. I’ve said this before.
The most important motion is the subpoena for CRS records. It may be what runs them off and why the hearing was cancelled.
Will the depositions be made public?
BDLR said in a hearing that he thought they were private, but I can’t find any rule or court order to that effect. In other jurisdictions, confidentiality is frequently determined by court order. Cindy Anthony’s video depo is on youtube.
I would like to see a video depo of Crump on youtube.
Dee Dee could never get through a deposition without someone to coach her on what to say.
Just saw an article I hadn’t seen before. Dated Mar 26 on the St. Louis American web site. http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_2955e1e2-7753-11e1-a23a-001871e3ce6c.html
A few things piqued my interest …
“Trayvon was stalked by George Zimmerman, a non-Black neighborhood watch captain armed with a 9 millimeter handgun and a head full of stereotypes about African-American males.”
“At one point, Zimmerman got out of his SUV, confronted Trayvon and fatally shot him in the chest.”
“Tracy Martin was unaware that his honor roll son, who was visiting from Miami, had been killed around 7 p.m. that Sunday.”
Lawsuit-worthy?
Remember how Tracy and Brandy claim that they returned to the community that evening but even though Trademark wasn’t home they all went to bed? And the next morning Tracy called Trademark’s cousin, then “juvenile justice”, and then the Sanford police dept? The article quotes Tracy: “I told them we were supposed to be leaving that morning when we woke up.”
So that’s why Tracy finally made an effort to locate Trademark, because Tracy was supposed to take Trademark back to Miami. (I’ve always thought that Tracy and Brandy didn’t return to the community until that morning, otherwise they would have noticed police activity, yellow tape, neighbors milling about, etc.) If they hadn’t planned to return to Miami that day, I wonder how long Trademark would have been stored in a cooler before he was ID’d. And I wonder if Sybrina skipped the funeral because was inconsolably angry with Tracy for leaving Trademark on his own that evening and for not finding out until 12+ hours later that their son was dead.
The case will be won on a large issue. Not a minor detail.
I know. But this other stuff is fascinating!
Drop charges v. Shellie. Weasel a plea from George to something and sentence to time served and and withhold adjudication. Ahh dunno Methinks something is up.
Not a chance. George will not plead to anything… not even jaywalking!
may be getting out of a car, but there is no punishment against that.
You are right, George would never plea. He and his family have faith in the justice system. Like his mother said, “in America, we believe in justice”. George has not endured all of this pain and agony to end up taking a plea.
I am guessing everyone saw this:
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/why-a-zimmerman-syg-hearing-will-fail-and-why-this-will-go-to-a-jury-trial-it-wont-be-because-of-the-evidence/
Prepare for the worst.. but hope for the best.
actually, the 92 riot affected a very small area of la down town and the most damages were done to the poor neighborhoods. rich people, black, white, yellow, would not even go out and cause property damages because they have too much to lose.
A very small area? What are you reading?
compare to la city, the area that is mostly affected is around the down town areas while the suburbs are pratically untouch.
Well yeah, compared to 10+ million people, or whatever it was at that time, I guess you could call that small, the whole population didn’t riot. You seem to fail grasp the scale of the riots. It was one of the deadliest and damaging in U.S. history and not limited to some small area.
however, you must understand that the riot came after a JURY VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY. Even if nelson denies syg, the possibility of a riot still exist after the case goes to a jury.
What makes you think I don’t understand that?
u r the man!
Not every neighborhood may have been burnt down, but the looters became very selective and would hit RadioShacks and gun stores — and this was all over the city .
Circuit Citys also got hit. Any electronic store was cleaned out.
It because they were trying to feed their children with, ugh, well. forget it
according to wiki, the areas affected are the south central areas which were populated by blacks and latinos.
I was in the middle of it and drove around the following day surveying the damage. They came up all the way on Sunset to Hwd Blvd. and continued west. They hit Silverlake and Los Feliz. They came up Western Ave. They went down 3rd Street and Beverly Blvd. Wiki is full of it.
I agree it would be a waste of time. This will be won pre-trial. Not with an SYG hearing. Just my feeling about it.
My hope is that Nelson is as sick of the BS as we are and she’s not afraid to follow the law.
Ya think?
Nelson to me seems a bit ineffectual…. going along with it all.
I can’t see her forcing the issue.
Huh? According to her she doesn’t watch tv or read the papers and didn’t know anything about the case when she took it. She gives Bernie all the respect in the world as an “officer of the court” who can do no wrong.
@17:20 Oct 19 hearing
Oct 26 hearing
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/george-zimmerman-hearing-oct-26-2012/
Dec 11 hearing
http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/12/11/zimmerman-dec-11-2012-hearing/
Maybe she’s overcompensating so as to not tip her hand. Or maybe she enjoys watching Bernie get all worked up and make a fool of himself.
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/NelsonS2B.jpg
I disagree 100% with DMan. IF this case ever even goes to the SYG hearing, it will be b/c that is the decision of MOM / WEST. The Defense is now on the Offense. I believe that they are now very actively acquiring Factual evidence to destroy the Scheming Scammers and all those who have assisted them in their Lies—”false narrative” is too PC for this krap—LIES is the correct terminology. I believe Mom and West have NO intentions whatsoever to simply have GZ exonerated w/ immunity. For GZ and his family to have any hopes of a good, safe, future, the Scheme Team MUST be taken down. They MUST be exposed to the world: their lies, deceit, wit. tampering, obstruction, etc, etc, etc. The list of their criminal activity is mind-blowing.
From what I have seen and heard of Don West, the man is not about to back off or back down from the blatant injustices done to the GZ family, nor allow those responsible to just walk away to race-bait another day.
Crump’s 600# elephant and Don West
http://grabilla.com/03109-6f991cfe-a873-4b20-8a64-27673f87c65a.html
GZ’s defense has already stated publicly that they will seek immunity. But they also state that the immunity hearing will be very much like a trial, except that the defense has the burden of proof for immunity. So I fully expect them to pull out all of the stops, so to speak, just as they would during a trial.
Of course a SYG hearing will come about because O’Mara motions for it, I didn’t say otherwise. I’m not sure with what the rest of what you wrote shows how you disagree. The stage is set, just waiting for the final act.
I do not believe this case will go to trial. I fully expect a decision from Nelson at the SYG hearing granting GZ immunity. She can not “bump” it up to a jury trial. That would be professional suicide for her to exhibit such incompetent decision-making at the SYG hearing.
professional suicide? Sort of like Corey?
Exactly like Corey-Nifong.
I greatly respect your work and talent, Diwataman. We simply differ on this subject. That is one of the many great aspects of the Tree—freedom to express opposing views, with links and facts to represent each side of debate. Without fear of being ridiculed or made to feel like idiots.
It’s okay to disagree. But Corey has not committed professional suicide, that was really my point there. If you haven’t noticed nothing has happened to her. She will more than likely run unopposed again and keep her job. And if you think Bondi or Scott or some U.S. Attorney under this administration will do anything about it, well, then I just don’t know what to say.
DMan is great. He and others just lean a little toward the pessimistic side, while others of us lean more toward the optimistic side. I think that’s a GOOD thing… we sorta balance each other out. Not too high, not too low.
And Goldilocks said, “Just right”. It is a good thing.
Actually the bear said that but I like to change things up a bit.
Then there is Pinocchio
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/Crumpnosejob2.jpg
I love it. The nose sure fits him.
justfactsplz
Have you ever read all of the comments here, particularly those in regards to the phone records that include the time “stamp” of each call between DeeDee and Martin?
I know that you do not believe they talked during the final minutes before the altercation, but where did these phone records come from? They do not appear to be something that Crump could simply create.
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/the-trayvon-martin-case-update-11-the-dee-dee-interview-kaboomly
I always read all of the comments. I would put nothing past Crump. Just look what he did with the Dee Dee tapes. There are things that I learned early on that I am cautious to reveal. There is a reason the heart stickered phone was not listed in Trayvon’s belongings. I believe his phone was in Miami as a punishment. His friends may have not known that and called him. Maybe
Sybrina or Jhavaris answered the calls. Pings are crucial to prove the location of the phone. Or perhaps Tracy got a hold of the phone and took it back to Miami with him. I totally believe that it was in Miami when investigating it started. Why did Tracy not want to give the pin number? I know people think I am crazy or delusional about the phones and I will settle for that for now. There are reasons I believe what I do.
I do not think you are crazy or delusional by any means. I am only trying to make sense of this. I, too, know something about that phone that I cannot share yet but it’s not quite the same as what you have said/implied. Are you saying that there are two separate phones?
Yes, that is what I believe to be the case.
AND, as Howie stated up-thread, the DCA and Supreme Court are next in line, before a jury trial, should Nelson rule in favor of the State at SYG.
+1 The appeals court already slapped Lester down, so Nelson knows that bogus rulings won’t stand.
I was just gonna ask that dmoseylou, so I’m glad you posted on that aspect.
I agree with you one hundred percent. West is going for the juglar. Immunity is not enough.
Yes!!! As everyone here knows by now, I agree with that completely. Including this:
“For GZ and his family to have any hopes of a good, safe, future, the Scheme Team MUST be taken down. They MUST be exposed to the world…”
Exactly right. And I have no doubt that West, and yes even MOM, believes that too.
jello: Agreed… they MUST go down !
The dogpound has been all over the suit filed by the protection agency v. O’Mara’s firm and GZ and Shelly. Copy of the complaint is over there. From that they gleem that GZ has broken bond by living(?) in Orange County. That the bond only allows for him to be in Seminole County. IDK can’t make heads or tails of their claims.
Here is a video of a few of TM’s friends fighting. Must have just happened within the past day. Watch the one girl pound the other girls head into the ground. This video does contain profanities.
http://telly.com/TheSoleManSB#!02L9JY
it’s so typical that they all follow each other with their ooooo’s. this is typical Miami crap.
Full Tox forensics.
Full cell phone forensics.
Full DD disclosure.
Full TM school records.
done.
waiting for the inevitable………………………………….
Don’t forget Crump deposition.
The depo that I want to hear most after DD’s is Chad Joseph’s. The meme that followed that Mon. morning was started by him. Where was he that night? He had no idea when Trayvon left for the store nor that he even went there. He’s lucky he’s only 15, or can he be still charged with obstruction of justice.
Phone ping logs should be obtained for all purported witnesses.
Yes, yes, and yes!
If I recall, people used their “assault” rifles during the LA riots. Start at 4:10
I would give a nickel.. maybe even a dime.. to hear the depos of Crump and DeeDee but somehow I have a sense that there is a lot of legal maneuvering going on to prevent both of them from happening.
not possible since crump is the first handler of the most pivotal witness of the whole case. Thus, both of them must testify or the prosecution has no one else but sabrina fulton.
I think Sybrina has her own problems. Why was Crump thanking God for all she and Tracy had done to arrange for the DD telephone interview? Why did Sybrina go outside to talk to DD when she told FDLE that they did not discuss the substance of DD’s testimony? Why was DD interviewed in Sybrina’s house? DD’s mother wanted to keep DD’s identity private. Who made the deal to lie about DD being a minor to keep her identity private?
and also tracy because he was the one who made the first contact.
another thing that will happen is that tracy martin will have to testify that he did not leaked important information to dd because he was the first one who made contact with dd.
That’s exactly what I suspect is going on. More than that, even… but that’s part of it. I just don’t believe the State wants this to go on much longer, any more than the defense does. I don’t even think the State wants it to get as far as the immunity hearing.
When was the last time we heard anything publicly from the state?
Bernie and the others?… yeah, they scare now. It’s started a little bit drippin’ water on ‘em, and so they gon run from the back.
lmao
Hehehe, Jello your so cute, u always make me smile
Yep
QUESTION: What is the origin of the “Trayvon rushing home to finish watching basketball game” story? Who, when, where, how did that story first appear in the media?
Great question but I believe that someone put that into DeeDee’s mind just like everything else she said. If I recall, someone here made a list of all of the things she said that came from a report that Crump received from the SPD including the iced tea.
OTH, that list might have been posted elsewhere but I am sure I have seen it somewhere.
Her story about the All Star game is all here:
http://statelymcdanielmanor.wordpress.com/2012/06/13/the-trayvon-martin-case-update-11-the-dee-dee-interview-kaboom/
Here is some of it but this entire article is worth revisiting now that Crump’s crap is out if you want to compare them.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dee Dee: Yeah, and he told me he ready to go home and watch…finish watching the game.
BDLR: The game?
Dee Dee: Yeah, he left his little brother, so he trying to rush and…
BDLR: Rushing to go back home and watch the game?
Dee Dee: Yeah.
BDLR: Did you know what he was talking about when he was talking about a game?
Dee Dee: Yeah…he talking..
BDLR: What was he talking about?
Dee Dee: Oh, I think the…basket, basket…basketball…
BDLR: Basketball?
Dee Dee: Yeah.
BDLR: I think that was like the All-Star Game?
Dee Dee: Yeah. That one. I didn’t really care, but…
I can not find the original report, but I did find numerous references by different persons during the same time-frame.
“Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage [...] the family’s lawyer Ben Crump said.”
http://yodonbleekraps.com/2012/03/08/racism-is-still-alive-black-17-year-old-boy-shot-to-death-by-white-man-during-all-star-game/
OK, March 8 – NBA story comes from Crump. Anything prior?
It is interesting that that article references “a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage” and does not refer to half-time of the game. Apparently “game coverage” included some pre-game televisions events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NBA_All-Star_Game
“The 2012 NBA All-Star Game was an exhibition basketball game which was played on February 26, 2012 at 7:30 p.m. EST at the Amway Center in Orlando, Florida, home of the Orlando Magic.”
“• Legends Brunch, noon p.m. | NBA TV
• NBA GameTime: All-Star Sunday, 4 p.m. | NBA TV
• Sprint Pregame Concert, 5 p.m. | NBA TV
• NBA Tip-Off presented by Autotrader.com, 6 p.m. | TNT
• 2012 NBA All-Star Game presented by Kia Motors, 7:30 p.m. (7:37 p.m. tip) | TNT
• Inside the NBA presented by Hyundai, 11 p.m. | NBA TV”
http://www.nba.com/allstar/2012/full-event-schedule/index.html
” Anything prior?”
I’m still looking….so far 03/08 is the earliest I have found, but there must be an earlier reference.
Here, from the 7th. Seems like the same story, but a day earlier. Even though the URL says the 8th, the story’s time-stamp says late on the 7th (By Barbara Liston ORLANDO, Florida | Wed Mar 7, 2012 11:45pm EST):
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/08/us-crime-florida-neighborhoodwatch-idUSBRE82709M20120308
I think the 3/8 Huffington Post story is the first to use the word ‘halftime’.
I have an old post on this.
“During halftime of the NBA All-Star Game, Martin’s family said he walked to a nearby convenience store” [...]
http://www.popsspot.com/2012/03/teen-shot-dead-during-nba-all-star-game-killer-still-not-arrested/
Very interesting. The quote attributed to Martin’s family specifically references half-time of the game, which we know is not possible. Dee Dee makes the same mistake, starts to say “watch” (which would have been correct, as the game had not yet started) and then corrects to “finish watching” as if she remembers her coaching:
Dee Dee: Yeah, and he told me he ready to go home and watch…finish watching the game.
I did come across this in my searching. It is from S/D on 04/02 at TCTH.
http://grabilla.com/0310a-1d74b68e-ca57-4d97-b16a-f7c7dfb6b757.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-mother-found-dead-in-trunk-died-of-gunshot-wound/article_bbf97de8-82fc-571b-ab6c-556b54d4e981.html
well? where are the martins to help? Will the martins put their money where their mouth is and use their foundation to find Ebony Jackson’s killer?
Will Obama say she could be his daughter? Will Jesse or Al show up to help? How about Ben Crump and Natalie Jackson? Nope, all absent. Why? Because her presumed killer whomever it may be probably is black…..so she isn’t worth their time. Isn’t racism a sick tool? Changefortrayvon.com ask them why they wont help ebony’s family find justice. where is the national media? where is global grind and russel simons making a justice for page and getting 2.25 million likes? where is the outrage?
their foundation is a tax shield.
Finally justice is served for one victim. another obamason going to jail. (note the perp is 18 now and this happened in 2011)
The victim told police that he was approached by a group of people just after 7 p.m. on Nov. 20, 2011. One asked for a cigarette, but the man said he did not have one. He was then struck in the eye and fell to the ground, where others in the group began hitting him in the head and body while yelling “knockout game.”
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-teen-pleads-guilty-to-knockout-game-attack/article_e7729a9d-89c3-591f-bd38-a8a7577ef955.html
The defense will have a hard time with one thing- The 911 call you hear the last yell for help and then only a split second later the gun is shot. I dont know if its bc of echoes or what but to me that has always struck me as odd bc it seems he wouldve already had the gun out for him to be able to shoot that fast. Try it at home with your hand down by ur side on ur back and play the call and try to motion at the end of the last yell as if drawing a gun or use a real gun if you own. It is virtually impossible. I think the state could harp on this .
Yougottabekiddingme.
Let’s have a show of hands: Everyone who believes TM called his dad to beg permission to walk to the 7/11 in the dark and rain.
“His fateful walk to the convenience store [...] happened only because the teenager pleaded to leave the apartment, said Horton.” (Horton was his previous football coach.)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/30/us/trayvon-martin-profile/
riiiiightttttt
Ohhhh…what an angry little face Ms. Sunshine has tonight. Maybe she will feel like this after a good night’s sleep.
Oh, suuuuure!!
Hmmmm….sounds like some one needs to go to the nite-nite house.
…Or maybe take a post-holiday stress-reducing cruise…
http://grabilla.com/0310a-6674c983-fc4d-4f15-a8da-8a1d1d5defac.html
hahahhaha the floatie! Maybe you should order a warehouse full to get us all thru the next 4 yrs.
gosh! looks like I was busy typing away when you posted that (1:22) Now my response to you is out of sync but I know you’ll put it all in order.
awwww I remember that
sweet!
Well, I looked all over these pages and I do not see little “Self Defense…”!
Sweet LL, yes, but nooooo SDA
Okay, off to the nite-nite house I go.
Later kiddo………………………
“He always walked with his hoodie and his headphones,” recalled Horton.
Always? Wut? DD said he put the hoodie on because of the drippin’ a lil water.
Look at the lies:
“”What are you stopping me for?” Martin asked a man later identified as neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman, according to the girl.”
CNN converts “following” to — stopping –.
“Look at the lies”
“Martin’s father said the teen went out in a light drizzle around 7 p.m. that Sunday during the NBA All-Star Game halftime” [...]
http://bcclist.com/2012/03/22/trayvon-martin-iced-tea-and-skittles-half-time-snack/
T-DAD stated to the SFD that he had last seen / spoke to (?) TM ~8:30 p.m.
it doesnt get funnier than this
“A lawyer for Trayvon Martin’s family said she feels someone pressured Serino to change his recommendation”
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/1/9/george_zimmerman_leg.html
Uh yeah racist black NOBLE officers in the department were pressuring him, he told the FBI this.
“Legal expert Joy Ragan told said that she has scoured over police reports and the indecision from charging investigators will play well for the defense.
“If we get to a jury, than this is great for the defense because the defense says that law enforcement couldn’t even figure it out. They’re going back and forth, is it manslaughter? Do they have self-defense? What’s going on here? And if law enforcement can’t figure it out, then there is a reasonable doubt,” said Ragan.”
How does police opinion on the issue of Z’s guilt or innocence constitute admissible evidence?
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1099172.html
Do you think that case is on point? In it the police expressed a 100% opinion he was guilty.
At what per cent does the opinion become admissible?
The opinions of the police in this case were expressed in trial testimony. Not in pre-trial investigations.