Handbasket HOV – Pelosi Begs Dear Leader To Bypass Congress and Constitution – Dear Leader Proclaims “we do not have a spending issue”….

There’s really not a lot you can debate about when the disparity between people is this large.   Polar Opposites actually – you could not get more distant than Obama/Reid/Pelosi and anyone who cares about the fiscal spending insanity.

WASHINGTON — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) urged the president on Sunday to drop his resistance to the idea and simply bypass the upcoming debate over raising the debt ceiling by deeming the entire cap unconstitutional.

Pelosi Hoyer Obama

Appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Pelosi offered her strongest endorsement to-date of the 14th Amendment option, which holds that Congress doesn’t have the power to use the debt ceiling as a hostage-taking device because the validity of the debt “shall not be questioned.”  (read more)

I mean, seriously, what are you supposed to do when the President of The United States is operating his fiscal programs without a budget, borrows $4 billion per day,  running $1+ Trillion annual deficits, and our nation is nearly $17 trillion in debt.  Yet he proclaims “we do not have a spending issue”.

undefinedWASHINGTON DC -  What stunned House Speaker John Boehner more than anything else during his prolonged closed-door budget negotiations with Barack Obama was this revelation: “At one point several weeks ago,” Mr. Boehner says, “the president said to me, ‘We don’t have a spending problem.’ “

I am talking to Mr. Boehner in his office on the second floor of the Capitol, 72 hours after the historic House vote to take America off the so-called fiscal cliff by making permanent the Bush tax cuts on most Americans, but also to raise taxes on high earners. In the interim, Mr. Boehner had been elected to serve his second term as speaker of the House. Throughout our hourlong conversation, as is his custom, he takes long drags on one cigarette after another.

Mr. Boehner looks battle weary from five weeks of grappling with the White House. He’s frustrated that the final deal failed to make progress toward his primary goal of “making a down payment on solving the debt crisis and setting a path to get real entitlement reform.” At one point he grimly says: “I need this job like I need a hole in the head.  (read more)

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107 Responses to Handbasket HOV – Pelosi Begs Dear Leader To Bypass Congress and Constitution – Dear Leader Proclaims “we do not have a spending issue”….

  1. elvischupacabra says:

    Here you go, dumbsh!t Democrats. Here is a handy, visual reference of new taxes compared to the deficit:

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/chart-putting-senate-cliff-deal-in.html
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    Watch the namecalling, elvis. You have the facts on your side. –Admin

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  3. Excuse me… We have an ‘ALREADY SPENT’ problem! Two unfunded wars….Tax Cuts a Big Pharma Deal…a financial disaster which lead to unprecedented BAIL OUTS approved by both DEMS & GOP. Along with, the overwhelming need for stimulus money to keep the USA and WORLD Economies from going totally down the toilet.

    President Obama and DEMOCRATS have had NO HELP…NONE…ZILCH from this worthless DoNothing GOP Congress….For the past 4 years they have filibustered/blocked/killed/twisted/lied/coerced/conspired to defeat EVERY single bill aimed in helping AMERICA and AMERICANS recover….While they focused on NONSENSE/HATE and OBSTRUCTION…. trying to make Obama a one term President The Smallest Gov Spender Since Eisenhower? It’s Barack Obama!! http://onforb.es/LtvcNk

    • aliashubbatch says:

      “For the past 4 years they have filibustered/blocked/killed/twisted/lied/coerced/conspired to defeat EVERY single bill aimed in helping AMERICA and AMERICANS recover…”

      So the Demos one party rule for Barry-boy’s first two year of his reign didn’t happen in your sad little world. Neither was Boehner selling out on the debt ceiling. Oh, and Obamadoesn’tcare being forced against the will of the people, nah didn’t happen, not in your twisted view of things. Benghazi? Fast and Furious? Prolly just conspiracy to you.
      But that doesn’t matter to you (or a large group of ignorant twits), enjoy your higher taxes and remember, Barry got your back (ignore the knife he’s slipping into you)… :D

    • Sharon says:

      Oh, Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten. If you really believe that obama is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower there is not enough time and I don’t have the skill to pull together all the details. Somebody with charts? Links? I’m not up to it–somebody wanta try to help Kirsten out?

      • sundance says:

        It’s hopeless. READ what she wrote: ……”For the past 4 years they have filibustered/blocked/killed/twisted/lied/coerced/conspired to defeat EVERY single bill aimed in helping AMERICA and AMERICANS recover”…..

        She doesn’t even see how stupid that claim is. Obama and the Democrats controlled the White House, House of Representatives, and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate – Fiscal Years 2009 and 2010…. They never had a budget, or even presented a budget proposal in either year,….. Yet it’s Bush’s fault.

        (((hopeless kool-aid drinker))) Cognitive Dissonance. to the EXTREME.

      • Oh…another denier of FACTS…well…one more time…

        The main Bush lie…. about money was the artificial treatment of “supplemental s”, the ruse of simply not putting anything seriously out of line with the propaganda into trick legislation that did not appear in the “budget”. (example 2 unfunded WARS) By that trick, the annual shortfall was DISGUISED by hundreds of billions per year, approximately the cost of two wars and a couple of tax giveaways plus the big pharma payback. Even with that non-inclusive accounting…. Bush ran about a half trillion dollars in the red EVERY YEAR until 2008, when it became too big a lie… even for them and they had to admit to a bit more than a trillion dollar scam.

        When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit up about three trillions immediately. Then, he stayed open and included the costs of the crashed housing market, the loss of tax revenue from increased unemployment, the increased cost of unemployment itself, and the price of stimulus (which kept about three million folks employed at the worst of it), so at the first the increase in the deficit was about 1.5 trillion per year.

        After that awfulness, the annual budget shortfall has stabilized to just over one trillion, which is holding steady from the final days of the Bush years.

        I am sure you will not let these facts trouble you. You will be screaming about the total, and angry denials of how that happened, forever. The difficulties of the truth are so easily swept aside…by the followers of FOX.

    • recoverydotgod says:

      Here’s your Fiscal Cliff team! I’m sure you know all of their names and their resumes.

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/8341728444/in/set-72157632418300447/

    • michellc says:

      I’m not going to do your work for you, if you want to remain uninformed, keep on watching MSNBC and reading left wing blogs. If you want to be informed look at the CBO website.

      I love though the old unfunded wars, how come you never hear the unfunded stimulus package?

      • Tsk..tsk…I realize…it is much simpler to depend on FOX for your facts..but you seem to be…recounting particle truths…..Are you speaking of the stimulus package…initiated to help the AMERICAN people…after the BAIL OUTS for BANKS…or the Bush era stimulus…or BOTH??

        The main Bush lie…. about money was the artificial treatment of “supplemental s”, the ruse of simply not putting anything seriously out of line with the propaganda into trick legislation that did not appear in the “budget”. (example 2 unfunded WARS) By that trick, the annual shortfall was DISGUISED by hundreds of billions per year, approximately the cost of two wars and a couple of tax giveaways plus the big pharma payback. Even with that non-inclusive accounting…. Bush ran about a half trillion dollars in the red EVERY YEAR until 2008, when it became too big a lie… even for them and they had to admit to a bit more than a trillion dollar scam.

        When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit up about three trillions immediately. Then, he stayed open and included the costs of the crashed housing market, the loss of tax revenue from increased unemployment, the increased cost of unemployment itself, and the price of stimulus (which kept about three million folks employed at the worst of it), so at the first the increase in the deficit was about 1.5 trillion per year.

        After that awfulness, the annual budget shortfall has stabilized to just over one trillion, which is holding steady from the final days of the Bush years.

        I am sure you will not let these facts trouble you. You will be screaming about the total, and angry denials of how that happened, forever. The difficulties of the truth are so easily swept aside…by the followers of FOX.

    • ytz4mee says:

      the overwhelming need for stimulus money

      Completely clueless.
      In true free market capitalism, businesses that can not meet market demands and turn a profit go bankrupt. Period.
      The government has no place interjecting itself into the marketplace and skewing the results.

      So, our little troll is a bonafide mooch with the gibmedats mentality. I want all this stuff, but someone else should pay.

      Ridiculous.

    • Coast says:

      My God…are you proud of that comment??? Are you Pelosi related???

      • Oh..so you are claiming…the TWO WARS which were not included in the Bush debt…just must have been FREE…remarkable math.

        • stellap says:

          The two wars were included in spending during the Bush administration. They didn’t hide it. Read something other than Daily Kos, please.

        • stellap says:

          Supplementals are common during a time of war, and during Bush’s administration were approved by Congress. They were not a secret, as you seem to be implying. Maybe you just don’t know.

    • stellap says:

      Apparently you never heard of the 800 billion dollar “stimulus”. Obama got everything he wanted the first two years of his Presidency. He had a majority in both the House and Senate.

    • stellap says:

      P.S.: The only way Obama is the smallest spender is to put all of the stimulus budget passed in the beginning of 2009 in Bush’s 2008 budget year. It’s a phony trick.

      • yes…we understand….the Bush form of accounting….which simply means…leaving out any items which may have a negative impact…Much like the little TBilly’s understanding of deficits…eh?

        • stellap says:

          That’s exactly what Obama did in order to claim that he’s a small spender.

        • stellap says:

          You don’t seem to understand that even though supplementals were outside the budget, they are still counted in the debt. They weren’t “hidden” anywhere. At least Bush had a budget, which Obama has yet to have. That’s a record – he went an entire term without a budget.

        • ytz4mee says:

          OFA must really be worried to send out the all-hands alert for low grade trolls like you to mindlessly repeat the talking points of the day on any blog that turns up a search result for parameters involving “budget” or “fiscal cliff”.

          The Obama Administration refuses to put forth a reasonable budget because he *likes* the budget conflict, and it allows them to continue operating in a black hole of union slush funds with absolutely zero accountability or oversight.

          The spending of this Administration does nothing to help the “average” Americans you claim to be so worried about, it is a patronage distributions/spoils system to the unions and the biggest bundlers of the DNC. Solyndra is just one example of taxpayer dollars frittered away to reward the party faithful and to make huge profits for the Obama insiders.
          Lather, wash, rinse, repeat.

          Anyone who is genuinely interested in the criminal enterprise/triad that is known as the “Obama Administration” would be best served by reading thoughtful deconstructions of their dangerous and reckless policies by economists such as William K. Black (who oversaw the S&L scandal) and who often is featured as New Perspectives blog, or John Williams shadowstats.com, where the real unemployment rate (40% in the AA community) is discussed and proven.

          It is telling though, that low grade trolls such as this are out in full force, devoid of facts but full of feigned moral superiority puffery and ad hominem attacks.

          That means only one thing. They are losing the budget/fiscal cliff ideological battle and their internals tell them so.

      • Sharon says:

        http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/06/obamas_spending_and_the_dog_that_didnt_bark.html

        …. TARP from the Bush administration had authorized $700 billion to rescue the financial system. While the $410-billion bill was for “normal” government spending, it layered on more spending than the original Bush proposals for the same government functions. The other two — the stimulus and TARP — were “temporary” spending.

        …. I.e., the logic of “temporary” spending is that it occurs and then it stops, like a deer moving through a python. And herein very likely is the reason for the Senate’s dereliction of its duty to pass a budget for each fiscal year. The conclusion an observer draws is the Senate wants this estimated $1 trillion of “temporary” spending to be added to the permanent budget baseline by stealth.

        Which brings up a Washington concept called the current services budget. Stick with us here; this is important.

        In the 1974 Budget Act, Congress slipped this concept into the budgeting process. What it means is this: spending in the next fiscal year that supports all the programs — the current services — in the current fiscal year is automatic: it is the baseline.

        Think about that for a second. The “no change in spending” condition in Washingtonese means that if.. there are more claimants to a service such as Social Security or Medicare, that is “no change.” It also means that all the expenditures to maintain current services represent “no change.” That is, the promotions, pay increases, adjustments for inflation to maintain current services represent “no change.”

        Why is this important? Because the method for financing the government without a budget is a “continuing resolution.” And a continuing resolution is used to maintain current services.

        AND THAT IS THE REASON BEHIND THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL INSANITY OF OBAMA OPERATING WITH NO BUDGET NOW FOR 4 YEARS.

  4. Sharon says:

    I’m becoming more and more aware that obama is not an opportunist as much as he is a tool. I’m talking about things I’m just now specifically and consciously learning–unfortunately–so others please add to this and clarify. Makes me sick how to realize little I have read that would have instructed me about the big picture.

    As my understanding expands regarding both general and personal anti-constitutional intentions on the part of our power brokers, I’m finding speeches and documents back in to the 1800′s that present specific opinions from national leaders which address the foolishness of our constitution.

    The latest hard evidence I found is from two speeches by Woodrow Wilson which I started working through last night, only one referenced in this comment.

    In a speech given during his successful 1912 Presidential Campaign he says, “Our laws are still meant for business done by individuals; they have not been satisfactorily adjusted to business done by great combinations, and we have got to adjust them. I do not say we may or may not; I saw we must; there is no choice.” (sound familiar?)

    In the speech, he repeatedly derides those who resist his plan to shred the Constitution, calling them “stand-patters” and says that refusing to “move on” would leave the country stuck in a system that doesn’t work,

    He mocks Jefferson’s reference to “the laws of Nature and Nature’s God” as containing an afterthought–yup, he specifically describes “…and Nature’s God” as an afterthought.

    And then, just in case the Declaration of Independence should get away scot free, he says “The Declaration of Indpendence did not mention the questions of our day. It is of no consequence to us unless we can translate its general terms into examples of the present day and substitute them in some vital way for the examples it itself gives.…” So the events that forced the declaration of independence from England are no longer foundational to our nation–they’re just “examples” of the kind of thing we have to deal with. Not surprisingly, he also says “Living political constitutions must be Darwinian in structure and in practice,” i.e., no fixed condition–always evolving.

    Like I said at the beginning of this comment, obama is not primarily an opportunist (which knowledge would probably further shatter his fragile ego). He is only a tool: The things he is being used to do have been alive and pushing and pulling and distorting and deceiving for well over a hundred years. And I keep finding evidence of it on every hand, in the writings of both Americans and Europeans, in the writings of both the 19th and 20th centuries….on several counts, he is nowhere near as smart as he pretends to be or as smart as he has been led to think he is by those who using him for their tool.

    The point for us is to see him for what he is: he’s just one of the rocks being catapulted against the wall. He’s not the army. He doesn’t even represent the army except as the current rock, which it would seem is further illustrated by the photo from the Oval Office that was reviewed yesterday..

    The army in which he was enlisted by others has been attacking the Constitution and the foundations of these United States for well over one hundred years.

  5. At the beginning of the Bush presidency, the United States debt limit was $5.95 trillion. Despite promises that he would pay off the debt in 10 years, Bush increased the debt to $9.815 trillion by the end of his term, with plenty of help from the four Republicans currently holding Congressional leadership positions: Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl. ThinkProgress compiled a breakdown of the five debt limit increases that took place during the Bush presidency and how the four Republican leaders voted:
    June 2002: Congress approves a $450 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $6.4 trillion. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor vote “yea”, Kyl votes “nay.”
    May 2003: Congress approves a $900 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $7.384 trillion. All four approve.
    November 2004: Congress approves an $800 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.1 trillion. All four approve.
    March 2006: Congress approves a $781 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $8.965 trillion. All four approve.
    September 2007: Congress approves an $850 billion increase, raising the debt limit to $9.815 trillion. All four approve.

    • sundance says:

      What’s your point?

      • Coast says:

        That she’s good at dishing out the “blame Bush” Obama talking points. I would like for her to publish the history of Obama…lets see how that shakes out.
        Here…this will help…

      • The main Bush lie…. about money was the artificial treatment of “supplemental s”, the ruse of simply not putting anything seriously out of line with the propaganda into trick legislation that did not appear in the “budget”. (example 2 unfunded WARS) By that trick, the annual shortfall was DISGUISED by hundreds of billions per year, approximately the cost of two wars and a couple of tax giveaways plus the big pharma payback. Even with that non-inclusive accounting…. Bush ran about a half trillion dollars in the red EVERY YEAR until 2008, when it became too big a lie… even for them and they had to admit to a bit more than a trillion dollar scam.

        When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit up about three trillions immediately. Then, he stayed open and included the costs of the crashed housing market, the loss of tax revenue from increased unemployment, the increased cost of unemployment itself, and the price of stimulus (which kept about three million folks employed at the worst of it), so at the first the increase in the deficit was about 1.5 trillion per year.

        After that awfulness, the annual budget shortfall has stabilized to just over one trillion, which is holding steady from the final days of the Bush years.

        I am sure you will not let these facts trouble you. You will be screaming about the total, and angry denials of how that happened, forever. The difficulties of the truth are so easily swept aside…by the followers of FOX.

        • WeeWeed says:

          Are you even speaking English, madame?

          • I thought it would be over the heads of some…of you…’WEEWEED’ lol

            • Coast says:

              Sorry, but it was not over our heads…you are just wrong. The national debt amount always included the war spending (you call it “deficit” which shows you don’t understand the difference between debt and deficit spending). The original issue was that Bush didn’t want to include war spending as normal budgeted activity, but rather funded through supplemental actions. I’m a strong anti-Bush person, but the biggest difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama really hates America, and whats to destroy this country as quickly as possible. Nothing that he does is intended to benefit this nation in a positive way, especially the middle-class. Get ready to enjoy tax increases, and a destroyed nation. Got it?????

            • stellap says:

              Be nice to WW – she’s an admin.

            • Coast says:

              When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit up about three trillions immediately….totally NOT TRUE. Go research the national debt..the debt is just that…it includes all fed government spending…but budgeted and supplemental spending bills.

              Then, he stayed open…..OMG, the most non-transparent president ever…ever!! Everything from his student records, birth certificate (s), alternative names, etc, etc.

              included the costs of the crashed housing market, the loss of tax revenue from increased unemployment, the increased cost of unemployment itself, and the price of stimulus (which kept about three million folks employed at the worst of it), so at the first the increase in the deficit was about 1.5 trillion per year…..your listing a bunch of items that not even “government spending” like “increased cost of unemployment”, and “loss of revenue”. This is so silly it’s beyond ridiculous.

              • Well at last we are in agreement…this conversation is beyond ridiculous….TBilly Birther logic…what a waste

                • Coast says:

                  When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit (DEBT) up about three trillions immediately…AND SO YOU STILL STAND BY THIS FAT LIE??

                  And yes, I consider a president that can’t pass a “flea market” background check a BIG PROBLEM. I understand that you don’t …or just don’t care.

                • stellap says:

                  You are a silly, ignorant woman. I am amazed that you are willing to display your ignorance like this.

                  • Thank you…such high praise from a TBilly Birther…is just fascinating… to see your varied but so FOX… forms of denial….just fascinating, that all of your are so proficient in parroting….and here, I always thought you lacking that advanced ability.

                    Did you make up that silly term? You really don’t know what you are talking about, so you are now resorting to name calling. If you want to have a logical discussion based upon facts, fine. Otherwise, I’ll just ban your ass. Got it?

                  • WeeWeed says:

                    What feh tuck is a TBilly birther, FOX woman? Do you work?? Get off teh damcouch, 47%, get a job. You’ll feel better soon. Then YOU, too, can pay taxes like the rest of us worker bees.

                  • stellap says:

                    Go look at her website, Wee one. She’s an Earthian – “In a better world there will be no countries, in a higher world there will be no religions.To be human is enough.”

                  • ctdar says:

                    :shock:

        • Sharon says:

          Kirsten, do you work for Fox?

    • aliashubbatch says:

      So in eight years of Booosh, he added roughly $4,000,000,000,000.00, leaving you to bitch and moan constantly.

      Yet Barry-boy does $8,000,000,000,000.00 in half the time, and you sing praises to this man-child and blindly support him.

      Your sense of reason (or lack thereof) is truly remarkable. :)

      • sundance says:

        FYI, ….Our GDP is approximately $14 trill. Methinks Kirsten is a BIG GULP Kool-Aid drinker…. yep.

        I wonder how she reconciles the last budget being signed in Sept 2007, and ONLY President Obama being the historical president for NEVER ONE DAY IN OFFICE with a BUDGET? She can probably find a way to blame George Bush for that too…. watch.

        • WeeWeed says:

          I’m sure there’s some kinda talking points paste-to that she can grab for it. Geeeezzzz… :roll:

        • sigh…..Apparently you too…have a short memory of history…or perhaps…more accurately stated…’convenient memory’
          .
          The main Bush lie…. about money was the artificial treatment of “supplemental s”, the ruse of simply not putting anything seriously out of line with the propaganda into trick legislation that did not appear in the “budget”. (example 2 unfunded WARS) By that trick, the annual shortfall was DISGUISED by hundreds of billions per year, approximately the cost of two wars and a couple of tax giveaways plus the big pharma payback. Even with that non-inclusive accounting…. Bush ran about a half trillion dollars in the red EVERY YEAR until 2008, when it became too big a lie… even for them and they had to admit to a bit more than a trillion dollar scam.

          When Obama took office, the first thing he did was include to the cost of the supplemental s, even for past years, which shot the total deficit up about three trillions immediately. Then, he stayed open and included the costs of the crashed housing market, the loss of tax revenue from increased unemployment, the increased cost of unemployment itself, and the price of stimulus (which kept about three million folks employed at the worst of it), so at the first the increase in the deficit was about 1.5 trillion per year.

          After that awfulness, the annual budget shortfall has stabilized to just over one trillion, which is holding steady from the final days of the Bush years.

          I am sure you will not let these facts trouble you. You will be screaming about the total, and angry denials of how that happened, forever. The difficulties of the truth are so easily swept aside…by the followers of FOX.

          • mcfyre2012 says:

            From Kirsten’s profile:
            “My passion is in Art, in all its many forms, which is what led me into photography.” And lives in Seattle to boot.

            Stick to the arts, Toots. When it comes to politics, you’re a complete idiot. (No wonder my friend hates living in Seattle.)

            • A TBilly Birther calling me an idiot…I can only take as a compliment…to think…I have caused you to become so angry. I am sure, if your little friend is anything like you….it is no wonder Seattle is not a good place to live…

              • stellap says:

                What the hell is a TBilly Birther? The person you directed that comment to said nothing about Obama. Wait – do you have a birth certificate problem?

                • oooooowwww “HELL”….it is Delicious…when the TBilly’s get all riled up….

                  Silly silly woman. Since you can’t have a logical discussion, you are going to moderation.

                  • Coast says:

                    Wow, you are really sad excuse for a person. No wonder this country is going down the toliet. Sure hope you didn’t reproduce. What makes us “riled up” is adults not able to comprehend logic, facts and truth, resulting in this great country being run by the most destructive people on the planet. Yea, that gets me riled up.

                    By the way, accounting, numbers and dollars, general math just ain’t your thing.

                  • three words…..Your side LOST….and the reason your side lost and will continue to lose…is because…the demographics have changed….The majority of the American population is no longer willing to accept….being ruled by Corporations and Morons. The majority of the American people have come to see the Republican party for what it is…. Extremist, Illiterate and Easily Swayed to follow conspiracy theories over facts….willing to vote against their own self-interest and that of democracy….in order to cling to some pathetic ideal of what America WAS.

                  • WeeWeed says:

                    I’ma interpret for our resident moron this evening – our side works, to pay for idiots like her that live on the commode or whatever they do. “Her side WON. Extremist, Illiterate, Easily Swayed and Outta Money now control teh Gubmint. They have no idea what America is, let alone WAS, nor do they care as long as they get that EBT card and the t.v. stays on.”
                    There ya’s go bitch. Hit the road.

            • ctdar says:

              She be smokin all the now legal hootch ?

        • stellap says:

          She did it. See above.

        • stellap says:

          This is what Kirsten is talking about:

          http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2008/02/this_is_not_an_emergency.html

          The money was not hidden. It was out in the open and approved by Congress. Nothing was classified. Read the article.

          • stellap says:

            P.S.: It wasn’t trillions of dollars.

          • stellap says:

            FTA: “Over the past six years, the Pentagon has requested $778.6 billion in “emergency war funds,” in addition (as a “supplemental”) to its ever-growing annual budget. Congress tends to approve this request, with almost no scrutiny, for fear of holding up the urgent needs of our troops.” (this was in Feb. 2008).

            FTA: “Does any of this matter? None of this money has been shuffled surreptitiously. The budget documents are, for the most part, unclassified. The relevant congressional committees have examined them. Even Deputy Secretary England’s memo, changing the definition of “war-related items,” was circulated widely and openly (even if it was barely reported in the press). And, one could argue, putting nonurgent items in the supplemental doesn’t constitute an evasion of congressional oversight since Congress these days barely exercises oversight of the regular defense budget.”

  6. dizzymissl says:

    When you have people like Kirsten voting it is no wonder we are in this trouble.

    • Sharon says:

      Especially when they outnumber us. …..sigh…. (to use one of Kirsten’s primary communication tools)

      • allhail2 says:

        Please let her out of mod for a few. I have an off topic question. I do have some family in the Sea-Tac area and do know their feelings about guns, gun control, etc. I am curious as to Kirsten’s position (and possibly her peers) re that topic as it relates in general and as to what she would deem acceptable in terms of types of weapons or form and function of weapons.

        • stellap says:

          Go over to her blog and ask her. She’s just a distraction here.

          • allhail2 says:

            I know she is but sometimes those can be entertaining, although she was not. So, I was looking to see if she had any direct knowledge or comprehension re another hot topic or if all she can do is respond with same talking point paragraphs 72 times.

        • WeeWeed says:

          Oh good gawd. Guns’ll make her all fainty and vapory and crap.

          • allhail2 says:

            Exactly. Wait ’till Knuckle, Howie, JG and a couple others jump in that mix.

          • Coast says:

            And guns are evil, for they can just jump right up and shoot people. That’s why i keep mine locked up and in a safe. People don’t shoot people, guns shoot people…you know that.

            • michellc says:

              I keep most of mine in a safe. I like having a handgun in the nightstand drawer. I like having a couple of rifles in a closet near the front and back door in case I need one fast. I like to keep my Henry hanging on my wall where I can admire it. It’s too darn pretty to hide.
              When we leave home overnight all the guns go in the safe though, well except for the ones we carry with us.

              • Coast says:

                Michellc, I like you.

                  • michellc says:

                    I like both of you as well.

                    As for the guns that’s just as natural for us country folks as breathing. Coyotes, foxes, coons, possums, etc. are always looking for a free meal. They don’t wait for you to open the safe. Neither does the occasional trespasser wanting to hunt without permission or the occasional thief.
                    The Henry, that is just my girl side, it was gifted to me by my kids and it’s an awful pretty gun. It’s almost too pretty to fire.

    • ctdar says:

      Yeah she’s the female version of the obamabot & this idiot is the male:

    • stellap says:

      She reminds me a little bit of my cousin in Eugene, OR, except my cousin communicates much better.

  7. Coast says:

    This discussion convinced me…this country needs a huge enema. And soon.

  8. myopiafree says:

    Correct me if I am wrong – but did not the Constitution give ONLY CONGRESS the power to control spending. That includes setting a limit on increasing the debt. You turn over spending to the President – and you will not longer have a constitution or a democracy.

    • Sharon says:

      …..that is, specifically, their intention. And we keep in mind we are not a pure democracy–we are a democratic Republic. They would love a straight democracy. That’s why there is scuttlebutt every election cycle about getting rid of the electoral college, then they whip their masses into enough numbers to bypass any form of constitutional functioning at all.

      Congress (the House) is also supposed to be originating spending bills, but if you check out the article above that I linked (the AT article about the the dog that didn’t bark) you will see that that little function has been nicely excised from the process by the casual trick of just not submitting a budget–year after year after year.

      The dots do connect…

      • Coast says:

        You are exactly correct; thus there is a way to stop Obama…I just don’t understand why the House doesn’t.

        • Sharon says:

          The reason they don’t stop him is because they are ok with what he’s doing.

          Why are they ok with what he’s doing? I don’t know.

  9. Sentenza says:

    This thread reminds me of this picture:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/1974213167289521985369n.jpg/

    All hail Caesar!

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Sentenza – Exactly my thoughts. I am always remembering the statement that democracy is always an unstable form of government – for as soon as the majority of the population finds out they can vote largress for themselves from the “pubic till” – with no limit – the democracy must collapse into a “run-away inflation scenario ” – to be followed by a “strong-man” dictatorship. All Hail Caesar!

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  11. Coast says:

    Three words…..Your side LOST….and the reason your side lost and will continue to lose…is because…the demographics have changed

    We all lost. My children lost, my neighbors lost, my friends lost…all of us. When our monetary system collapses, when inflation hits, when kids out of college can’t get a job, when the next national emergency occurs and our nation can no longer respond, you will realize that we have all lost. And the reason is more than demographics. It’s a perversion, and an evil that is spreading across this nation. And I thank God every night that I and my family are not part of this. And I thank the Conservative Treehouse for its existence in that the truth is still recognized and spoken.

  12. Sharon says:

    Even to the extent that I/we are willing to accept responsibility for documenting every detail and defending against every argument, that will have little or no effect with those who have made a decision. That’s what very disturbing to me about influentials such as President Woodrow Wilson, John Dewey (1859-1952). and President Theodore Roosevelt. I realize that my surface approach is to try to argue “the immediate argument” and this is not about the immediate argument. Not at all. :(

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