1933 “US”…

I find myself in total agreement with this person.  Does this ring true to your frame of reference also?…..

naziobama_big(Deb)  I no longer wonder how so many people who lived during Hitler’s evil reign of terror could have gone along with the unimaginable inhumanity of Naziism. I used to wonder about it. Not anymore.

I see horrifyingly evil “opinions” expressed by fellow Americans every day on Twitter, and in comment sections of  blogs. They don’t just disagree with conservatives – they want us to shut up, lose our jobs,  be financially ruined,  or to drop dead. They actually root for Republicans to die, and when they do die, the ghouls celebrate their deaths.  Not just one or two weirdos  – but huge packs of them.

[...] Many of Obama’s most loyal subjects would volunteer to drive the cattle cars –  they would operate the ovens for free.

occupy-wall-street nazi party

His minions in the media have spent the last five years ruthlessly race-baiting anyone who disagrees with their precious first black President. No,  I won’t call him my President. I didn’t vote for him, and I oppose everything the he stands for. In twenty years, when people wonder what the hell happened to our freedoms, our quality of life – our dignity – I’ll be able to say, I had nothing to do with it – I fought it every step of the way.

Oh, that’s crazy talk, you say.  (continue reading)

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  1. kinthenorthwest says:

    There seems to be so little compassion now adays….Yet there seems to be people on both sides that are guilty….From what I am seeing it seems to be more from the Left/Obama leaning people..I pray I am right…
    When it was reported that Senior Bush was in serious condition and put in ICU i could not believe the people wishing him evil.
    Yet now it seems Hillary might have a blood clod and the same type of evil sendiments are being expressed on forums about her(Yes I know there are some questions as to how legit her illness is, yet that is still no reason to wish anyone evil.)
    What the HELL has happened to our country?????

    • justfactsplz says:

      HELL, that is what happened to it. HELL is taking it over.

      • kinthenorthwest says:

        I will be 64 years old this year…I was looking forward to enjoying 20 or so years of 1/2 way decent retirement…
        Now I’m not too sure…..its not the money I am really worried about, though I know SS is gettting more and more screwed every year.
        Its more about what is happening to the wonderful counry I grew up in..
        .Is this the type of country or even world I want to live in…
        Sweet Jesus’s return cant come soon enough for me…

        • howie says:

          I know how you feel.

        • Sharon says:

          No, it’s not the type of country or world any of us want to live in. So we have choices to make….

          And–by the way–here’s a true thing I learned, about 30 years ago:

          A refusal to choose is a choice.

        • justfactsplz says:

          I know how you feel. I am 62 and knowing how America used to be it hurts to see all of this corruption. I believe Jesus will return soon for us.

          • kinthenorthwest says:

            That is why it is so good to have found such good forums as this one with good people and good Christians…
            I thank all the people who have put hard word into this great forum….
            As I have told several and said on here many times ….Honest reporting can be found here from good people..

      • Chip Bennett says:

        If the moral downfall of the United States – the greatest Christian nation in the history of the world – plays a role in the events foretold in Genesis, then we very well may be living in the end times.

        • howie says:

          Or the start of the New Dark Ages. In every communist revolution millions die.

        • Sharon says:

          Chip, I’m interested….what text are you referencing? I’ve always been intrigued regarding things touching on the prophetic voice we sometimes miss in the historical books of Scripture…

          • Chip Bennett says:

            Chip, I’m interested….what text are you referencing?

            My brain formulated “Revelation”, but my fingers typed “Genesis”.

            There may be things in Daniel that are yet to come to pass, but those would involve Russia (probably) and Israel, not the United States. But I was thinking of the prophecies in Revelation, not Genesis. If the United States isn’t one of the nations that stands up to the Anti-Christ, then I don’t know who will be. And just as Russia is rapidly devolving to the point at which it would no longer be able to strike at Israel, so also is the United States losing its moral fiber to be able to distinguish itself from, much less stand up to, the immoral abomination that causes desecration.

            Other than that, I’m not much of an end-times scholar. I’m more of the school of thought that we should strive to live every day as if it is the last day, and to eagerly await and expect what is to come. The first-century Christians believed the second coming would be in their lifetimes, and their actions bore the fruit of that belief. If only we lived with that same expectancy and anticipation.

            (Side note: I can’t tell you how much good it did my heart to listen to my 4-year-old singing, “This is my commandment that you love one another” as we wandered through the mall today.)

            • Sharon says:

              Ok! I understand the fingers having a mind of their own!

              I appreciate the understanding of end times info in Scripture and agree with you on your view as to our personal responses.

              Obviously, there’s a lot put there for our understanding, but there’s a risk of sliding off in the paralysis of analysis that doesn’t benefit anyone.

              I see your point about Russia devolving to where they may not be the military power they were, but the little I do understand about such things is why I keep being very interested in Russia’s relationships and potentials through partnership with Iran. Sometimes evil will make up for lack in practical power…and Ahmadinejadwhatever is definitely evil.

              Love your granddaughter’s mall music. Amen to that.

              • Chip Bennett says:

                Daughter; not granddaughter. I’m SO not ready even to think about that yet… :)

                And I agree; we are given biblical prophecy in both a specific and a general sense, and we are not always given the key to discerning between the two. In a general sense, the prophecies are given so that we have hope and assurance that God wins in the end. I tend to think that the prophecies dealing with specifics will be understood as such when it is beneficial for them to be understood as such. (For example: the messianic prophecies that foretold Jesus’ birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection would have been, I imagine, quite specific and obvious to anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear during and immediately after his time on earth.)

                But because some of the specifics don’t (or at least, shouldn’t) impact our lives right now, I don’t get into debates about the rapture, tribulation, pre-/post-/mid-tribulation beliefs, etc. All I really need to know is that the world will continue its entropic devolution into evil, and at some point Jesus will return to restore peace. God doesn’t promise that I will be alive to see it, or that I’ll be spared the tribulation of evil if I am alive. He just promises that I will spend eternity with Him.

                But even though I try to maintain that perspective, it is difficult to look at the state of the world today, and not believe that we simply must be approaching the nadir of good of human society, and the zenith of evil of which this world is capable. (And I say that as someone who is fully aware of how easy we have it as Christians in America, as compared to our martyred brothers and sisters throughout the rest of the world – martyrdom that is also increasing exponentially right now.)

        • Chip Bennett says:

          s/Genesis/Revelation

          I promise I’ve not opened the champagne yet. I guess I’ve just not had enough coffee. :)

        • justfactsplz says:

          Chip, I believe we are living in the end times. I keep my eye on Israel, politics, and the sky above.

        • kinthenorthwest says:

          Sad that our nation has lost so much of its Christian values….When so many even turning against the true Christians..
          I cannot believe some of the things that are and have been happening under the Obama regime. Things that our Nation would have imprisoned our enemies for committing only a 1/2 a decade ago even during wartime….
          Since when do we shoot an unarmed criminal of war, along with hunting down and executing other war criminals…
          This is not the Christian ethics that our nation has stood for over my lifetime..Nor the Christian American Historical Ethics I was taught about in school…
          Yet what is so really strange about these behaviors is the ones applauding these behaviors condemn things like water boarding and GITMO…

          Will our country wake up in time???? I sometimes wonder…I will say as I was writing this I started remembering people in the 60s and 70s talking about how we were so much like the Roman Empire..That the Roman Empire had only lasted 2 centuries so that our courntries Democracy would end just like the Roman Empire did and was almost time for us.
          Were they right.?????

          I PRAY NOT!!!!

          • Sharon says:

            I think they were right. And I think that our strength going forward will rise out of our willingness to be as absolutely open-eyed (which is different than wide-eyed) as possible, and seek wisdom that is specific for each situation. “Will our country wake up ‘in time’???” I think “in time” passed some years ago, and we are just seeing the consequences of foolishness at least and deliberate wickedness at worst playing out in our day to day situations.

            Since when do we shoot an unarmed criminal of war? Since obama decided he liked doing that, and no one in Congress has made a serious effort to stop him.

            Hunting down and executing other war criminals? Same answer.

            It is what it is, and our peace and strength must not be inextricably linked to denying that, or pretending it’s otherwise.

            To be dependent on pretending in order to have peace of mind for today? No way. Eyes wide open, kinthenorthwest. Eyes wide open.

      • Sharon says:

        It was a bit of a challenge to go back up and figure out what you were talking about. You just love making trouble, I do know that. Figures, I guess. 8O

    • howie says:

      He will do anything he can get away with.Course with the Red Dog, Gop leaders that is almost anything.

    • kinthenorthwest says:

      I have a feeling there will be even more Executive Orders by Obama, while the Obots cheer and look the other way until its too late. One Executive Order will most likely put a huge ban on guns, a ban even most people who are riding the fence on guns are not expecting.

      • Sharon says:

        And since medical records are now under the control of the government, all of the cooperative folks who for ten years or so have been honestly answering the question about whether or not there are any guns in their homes — can expect an e-mail or a letter or a phone call or a knock at the door.

        The gun question was already being pushed at children’s checks up and vaccinations, etc. as far back as 2000–don’t know how much earlier. That’s when I became aware of it with regard to my grandchildren.

  2. Sharon says:

    In my reading and notes from Bonhoeffer, which puts Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s life and work as a spy against the Nazis into their detailed historical context, I keep on tying events to dates…and the date 1933 shows up again and again and again. Hitler was elected, in free elections, as chancellor on January 31, 1933–years before anyone outside of Germany (and most of the people inside of Germany) had a clue as to what was coming toward them. Unfortunately, it appears to me that we are already somewhat down the road from 1933 with regard to the disintegration and rot of our Constitutional Republic.

    from p. 145 of Bonhoeffer by Eric Metaxas:

    When Hitler and the Nazis gained power on January 31 (1933), they held a fraction of the seats in the Reichstag. Their political opponents thought Hitler needed them and naively thought they could therefore control him. But this was like thinking one could open Pandora’s box and let out two or three Furies. Hitler knew his opponents were divided and couldn’t unite against him. He would play them off each other brilliantly and would consolidate his power with breathtaking speed and a calculating ruthlesses for which no one was prepared. On February 3 (still 1933) Goebbels wrote in his diary: “Now it will be easy to carry on the fight, for we can call on all the resources of the State. Radio and press are at our disposal. We shall stage a masterpiece of propaganda. And this time, naturally, there is no lack of money.”

    The Reichstag was burned on February 3 of that year…the very next day, Hitler put the Reichstag Fire Edict in front of enfeebled President Hindenburg and he was forced to sign it. It was a decree “officially suspending those sections of the German constitution that guaranteed individual liberties and civil rights.” So it was all nice and legal.

    The words of the decree, produced and signed into effect before anyone had had time to think carefully about it, made possible most of the horrors ahead, including the concentration camps….The Reichstag was functioning, albeit in a greatly restricted way. But the Enabling Act would formally take away its powers–for the good of the nation, of course–and for four years place them in the eager hands of the chancellor and his cabinet. And so, on March 23, like a snake swalling its own tail, the Reichstag passed the law that abolished its existence.

    With the tools of democracy, democracy was murdered and lawlessness made “legal.” Raw power ruled, and its only real goal was to destroy all other powers besides itself.

    1933– six years before the German army marched into Poland. Eight years before the United States joined Britain to fight back against Hitler.

    The phrase comes to mind–those who will not learn history are condemned to repeat it.

    • howie says:

      Dreams of Mein Father.

    • sundance says:

      “those who *refuse* to learn……

      More than a *will not*…… It takes a willful blindness to refuse.

      When you refuse to learn from history, you are specifically accepting the consequences from your refusal. It is not the absence of knowledge, it is the specific and intentional practice of denial.

      “Denial” plays a key role in the life of a victim, and those who allow themselves the comfort of non-control within victimhood. If I am a victim I cannot be at fault.

    • Sam says:

      I am afraid that is exactly where we are, despite the best conservative efforts of a remnant who know what the U.S. used to be and was meant to be. Thanks for reminding me of that Metaxas book on Bonhoeffer. I’ve been meaning to order it and read it.

      I’ve noticed the hateful rhetoric too, predominantly from those on the left but those on the right are not immune either. And this time there is no U.S. to intervene and save us. If this is God’s will for the U.S., it’s bitter indeed.

      • Sharon says:

        Sam–get the book! ;) Some may be acquainted with Bonhoeffer’s life only in the context of “a Lutheran minister who was executed by Hitler”….I now realize (having read earlier biographies and most of B’s writings) that that limited description of his life and death creates significant distortions because of what’s left out.

        Metaxas’ biography, published by Thomas Nelson, is definitely the story of Bonhoeffer’s life as Christian–but it’s subtitled Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy for a very good reason!

        I have learned two other delightful facets of his life, both of which made me chuckle a bit because of Lutherans who have thought Bonhoeffer was “their discipleship theologian and their hero” (speaking of Lutherans–that’s my heritage and I were one and I love ‘em dearly)….

        Learning 1: He grew up in an entirely unchurched family. A Christian family. But completely unchurched in the traditional sense. Kind of like the Amish. He did NOT grow up “in a Lutheran home.”

        Learning 2: He was most intrigued by Catholic context, traditions, practices and traditions. He specifically made a trip to Rome and spent some time there soaking in the music, the traditions, practices such as confession, which he incorporated into some of the work he did in training young Lutheran ministers in his late 20s when he established a seminary.

        This book is an eye opener to the parallels between our present situation/our present state of the nation and the Germany of the late 20’s/early 30’s. I recommend it even for those who do not consider themselves religious or Christian.

        • whoseyore says:

          Sharon,
          I have this Metaxas biography on Bonhoeffer. I started it and didn’t get far and put it aside. This makes me want to crack it open again.

          Reminds me of the scripture from Ecclesiastes 3:15
          Whatever is has already been,
          and what will be has been before;
          and God will call the past to account.

          All througout the Bible there are many parallels. Now you want to talk about a good book…

          • Sharon says:

            Because it is SO packed with details and a little overwhelming, I’ve been working my way backwards and forwards in it to some extent, just trying to pay attention to dates, but basically building on things I already understand to some extent. It’s a page-turner, but for me has had to become bite-sized pieces.

      • ytz4mee says:

        I also like “They Thought they were free: The Germans 1933 – 1945″ by Milton Mayer.
        ISBN 978-0-226-51192-4

        • Sharon says:

          Excellent. Thank you…putting it on the list. I’ve really been trying to buy as many of these titles as the checking account can tolerate, because if we keep going the direction we’re going, and end up where we’re headed, the book shelves will NOT have the same titles on them. I can have them in my personal bookshelves for my grandchildren’s use in rebuilding their world. And for teaching them between now and them.

          • ytz4mee says:

            We also read Arendt’s “The Origins of Totalitarinism” (1951) in my university political science class back when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Good overview and discussion.
            ISBN 978 184 902 8974

            The Origins of Totalitarianism begins with the rise of anti-Semitism in central and western Europe in the 1800s and continues with an examination of European colonial imperialism from 1884 to the outbreak of World War I. Arendt explores the institutions and operations of totalitarian movements, focusing on the two genuine forms of totalitarian government in our time—Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia—which she adroitly recognizes were two sides of the same coin, rather than opposing philosophies of Right and Left. From this vantage point, she discusses the evolution of classes into masses, the role of propaganda in dealing with the nontotalitarian world, the use of terror, and the nature of isolation and loneliness as preconditions for total domination.

            ALL of my children were made to read Skousen’s The Naked Communist
            ISBN 978 156 849 3671
            At the time of its publication, the Communists and Progressives mocked it as “strident” and “extremist” … which is exactly one of the reasons I was encouraged to read it by my grandfather, who actually fought the communists and socialists. When you look at the goals of the communists to infiltrate and transform the West, specifically the USA, they have achieved ALL of their goals. Socialism is the “new normal”. :-(

            • howie says:

              Yes, they are communists and should be called communists. But it is not PC.

            • Sharon says:

              Thank you for these additional titles, ytz. My reading of this sort has been sorely missing over my lifetime….I’m embarrassed to admit that it was only when I started reading the wonderful synopses that Mark Levin provides for us in Liberty and Tyranny, etc. that I began to grasp that the roots of marxism and communism go way back, and were not just produced out of thin air b y some “exceptionally clever political troublemakers” in the late 19th century. Also the philosophers of the 19th century who fed this garbage through the pipelines were complete strangers to me. Keep the titles coming. We won’t all be able to grab all of them, but each can grab some. Thanks, ytz.

          • ytz4mee says:

            http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/articles/col-totalitarianism.htm

            “Totalitarian regimes maintain themselves in power through secret police, propaganda disseminated through the media, the elimination of open criticism of the regime, and use of terror tactics. Internal and external threats are created to foster unity through fear”

            • Sharon says:

              to foster unity through fear….yeah.

              So a self-discipline that provides direction from within in order to displace mindless fear….

      • howie says:

        Bastogne. Nuts. That is about where we are. The Federal Government and all its agencies must be defunded. All welfare must be ended. Treaties must be abrogated. It is time to pay the Piper or be forever lost. Stop the borrowing now. Dead on stop it. Defund the bastards. It is the last chance. Otherwise the last straw is a con-con.

    • kinthenorthwest says:

      What experience and history teach is this – that people and governments never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”
      G. W. F. Hegel

      “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
      George Santayana

      “History cannot give us a program for the future, but it can give us a fuller understanding of ourselves, and of our common humanity, so that we can better face the future.”
      Robert Penn Warren

      • Sharon says:

        Well, with regard to Hegel’s perspective…I will say on my own behalf that I am trying. I am studying American history right now (and have been all my life at one level or another…but in recent years more) so that I comprehend the foundations our nation had.

        I am studying the history of tyrants such as Hitler and the approach to the collapses they engineered so that I can see whether my instinctive reactions of horror and fear are aligned with reality–and then, to the extent that they are–I consciously turn my reactions to responses.

        I am studying the Old Testament prophets to try to internalize on what bases individuals or nations came under the judgment of God or received mercy from God.

        I am learning from history every single day I am alive and I AM doing what I am able to. I will not willingly be grouped with those who “have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.” That’s a generalization that I do not accept. Some people do. My “study” may not be enough to change what happens, I realize that. But it will change how I experience what happens, and if the worst happens, I will have understanding and insight that may be of help to those around me, with regard to both God and tyrannical governments.

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi Sharon, This is exactly correct.
      +++++
      The Reichstag was burned on February 3 of that year…the very next day, Hitler put the Reichstag Fire Edict in front of enfeebled President Hindenburg and he was forced to sign it. It was a decree “officially suspending those sections of the German constitution that guaranteed individual liberties and civil rights.” So it was all nice and legal.
      +++++
      This is why Jefferson made the judgment that the “militia”, meaning all of us – must have the right to keep and bear arms. Once the Reichstag (voted) itself out of existence, there was no other defense of “their freedoms, and their supposed rights”. No firearms, no bill of rights, end of freedom. It took about a month for this to take place.

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  4. ytz4mee says:

    Never forget: the final thing needed before full totalarian government can be imposed is a disarmed populace. First, they must “register” all weapons for everyone’s “safety” and then the next step is confiscation.

    They will also then move to outlaw the ownership of any precious metals or hard assets as hedges against the runway inflation. Currency restrictions (ie: free flow of YOUR money in or OUT of the US) has already been implemented.

    • myopiafree says:

      Yes, it is the “Liberals’ who want to “protect” everyone (they say). So they eventually get what they want. Then there is an economic collapse (or close to it). Then a “new savior” asking “demanding temporary” emergency powers, will come to power. He will grand “police powers” to HIS followers, and will confiscate ALL REGISTERED WEAPONS (that the liberals insisted be registered). Then the new “leader” will have it all – and now one will be able to resist.

  5. WeeWeed says:

    Many years ago, toward the end of the paleozoic era when I was in my twenties, I was stuck on criminal jury duty for a month in Nashville, TN. We (the jury) were sequestered on one of the trials, a woman that had starved her baby to death, in order for us not to see/hear any news, t.v., etc. Anyway, we all shared motel rooms and my roomate was an “elderly” (maybe late 50’s :D ) lady that had emigrated from Germany after the war. We had many conversations – as you can imagine, with no papers, books, t.v., radio, nothin’ – all there was, was visiting.
    We got around to WWII-The-Big-One and she told me more about Hitler and his regime than I can remember, but I do remember her telling me this. It wasn’t just Jews, and Poles, and political dissidents that “went away,” it was Catholics, Asians, Blacks, Lutherans, and any gd-body (her word) with two nickels or two loaves of bread to rub together. You name it – if they possessed anything and weren’t protected by Hitler himself, they were history.
    That’s what we may be looking at.

    • ytz4mee says:

      My sister-in-law’s husband in Holland lost most of his family to the camps. However, most people are not aware that my Catholic husband’s extended family also lost many to the camps in Poland when they tried to defend their Jewish colleagues and others who stood in defiance of the Regime. The “Holocaust” wasn’t just Jews. In fact, first it was the mentally ill, physically disabled and gays – people deemed “disposable”. When very little resistance was met, the net became larger. Much, much larger.

      • Sharon says:

        Yes. Eventually, the gay activists who teach their peers to hate Christians may figure this out and realize that my door will be the safe one to come to when they are being hunted down, assuming I haven’t already been disappeared.

      • howie says:

        This is giving me an awful vibe. I only hope it does not come to that.

        • ytz4mee says:

          The FEMA camps are already stood up and they are advertising the contracts for staffing. All that needs to happen is for you to peacefully line up to register your firearms, or better yet, willingly surrender them for a prepaid debit card of nominal value at Ralph’s or Safeway or JC Penney …. and then a nice scary “crisis” which will mandate the Federal government evoke the numerous Executive Orders already on the books for everyone’s “Safety and Security”.

          • kinthenorthwest says:

            I am so VERY Glad that I live in Red Neck Country(I use that term very affectionately) ….They will have a VERY hard time to get the guns out of the hands of the people around here…These are the people that still truly care about their fellow man.

            • Sharon says:

              A bunch of the same kind of people live in the cities. Those in the country have a disadvantage in ease of being isolated.and cut off from neighbors, from gas stations, etc. I would prefer that this doesn’t turn into country vs. city regarding who’s going to manage the best. I think there’s advantages and disadvantages for both, the same as advantages and disadvantages in living in ND vs. CA vs. MN vs OR….please don’t have a false sense of security just because you live in Red Neck Country. I lived there, too, and saw first hand some of the vulnerabilities and some of the false sense of security.

              • kinthenorthwest says:

                I’ve lived in the CIty too…
                Saw first hand what Watts Riot could do to the mentality of some actually honest people…
                I think depending on the area and place…and the people will depend on how it goes down if we come down to a show down…
                After Watts I still believe there is an advantage to the country…Especially when the right people are around..

                • Sharon says:

                  I understand that…we were there for the riots of ’91. However, there are many gradations of gray between the two extremes. I don’t consider Watts normal city living by a long shot. I’m just saying the country is not automatically safer…I saw many folks in rural west central MN who made that assumption. Sensible people who are conservative and have guns and hunt. They just assumed they were safer in the country.

                  Until they got held hostage at gunpoint in their own home by folks from Canada who drove the gravel township roads, looking for a ripe-residence for the picking. They spent 36 hours at gunpoint because they answered the front door, and no one knew what was happening. So the relatives started coming over to “check on them”…and as they arrived, they got added to the group of hostages.

                  For the next ten days, I had to keep from being unusually negative and unhinged at the never-ending chorus of “How could anything like that happen way out here in the country?” Idiots.

                  And now Google earth can take me right into every single farmers farmyard and barns, so I can find out exactly who has the 800 gallon gas tanks or anyhydrous ammonia tanks, who has auxiliary generators and where they are set up, who has extra heavy equipment out back, and whether or not they have an RV, which probably means they’re gone during the winter.

                  Country is not automatically safer. Under any conditions. Not any more.

      • Wraith says:

        In fact, first it was the mentally ill…

        And that’s what concerns me about many peoples’ rush to make it easier to institutionalize people in the wake of Sandy Hook…who, exactly, gets to define ‘mentally ill?’

        There are those who would classify every conservative, gun owner, libertarian, global warming skeptic, or anyone who denies the unquestioned divinity of Barack Obama as ‘mentally ill.’ It worked in Stalin’s reign…!!

        • Sharon says:

          Hi Wraith–good to see you. I understand what you’re objecting to here. I think some of the over-statement of opinions in the wake of Sandy Hook has come from those who remember all the negative “unintended consequences” stats when the laws were changed, and now angry that the pendulum has swung so far the other way. As you point out, there’s nothing to be gained by now swing BACK in error too far that way.

          ADD…..or it may be that some who are thinking we need to hurry and “lock up all the mentally ill” are too young to remember the abuses that led to the damaging “solution”… and boy, that list of “mental conditions” maintained by the AMA is getting longer every month from the articles I’ve seen. We’re all mentally ill, according to them, I’m thinking.

          What a mess.

        • ytz4mee says:

          Yes, agreed. Banishment to a psychiatric facility and forced “treatment” of political dissidents was the hallmark of bona fide totalitarian regimes.

          However, currently we live in the upside down world created by the ACLU:
          What do you do when someone begins acting strangely, goes AWOL and is on the run, is known to have a trunk full of weapons AND ammunion, a written “kill” list and plan, which they have -repeatedly- verbalized?

          Apparently, “nothing”, since verbalizing a desire to stalk and kill certain people, unless that person is POTUS, is an infringement on “free speech” (prior restraint), and you can’t do anything until someone actually IS killed.

          It’s a knife that cuts both ways.

    • howie says:

      Now is the time. No more borrowing. The pain is worth the gain. I would take the depression times ten over this.

      • ytz4mee says:

        But that’s not going to happen. A complete economic collapse, completely engineered, is what is needed for the “next phase”.

        Accept it and be prepared to the best of your abilities….. or join the legions of the hungry and dispossessed.

  6. Wraith says:

    I forget who said it, but the quote reads: “When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the Flag and carrying a Cross.”

    Words apropos, perhaps, in the days when America had even a scintilla of respect for the Flag and the Cross. Now, facism has indeed come to America…and it’s wrapped in the Hammer & Sickle, and carrying armloads of Free Stuff.* And the majority of the country rejoices.

    God help us. :(

    * Okay, “Stuff Stolen From The Productive,” actually, but it would have made the whole thing awkward. Poetic license.

  7. akathesob says:

    I agree oh so much as well. There is a evil that is so apparent that it blows me away just how blinding it is to myself and others and yet so many are so blind to it.

    • Sharon says:

      I’ve concluded that believing (in) evil is a choice being made by many. There is no way that that many people can be that stupid.
      ——
      ADD: I threw the (in) in there to be make it clear. I sure believe there is evil, but the followers of this gang are “having faith in” evil, which is an entirely different business.

  8. kinthenorthwest says:

    This was on Face Book so I had to share…If you have seen it before I apologize…

    Flying on Air Force One, Obama looked at Oprah, chuckled and said, ‘You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy.

    Oprah shrugged her shoulders and replied, ‘I could throw ten $100 bills Out of the window and make ten people very happy.

    Michelle added, ‘That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills Out of the window and make a hundred people very happy..

    Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his co-pilot, “Such big-shots back there. I could throw all three of them out of the window and make 256 million people very happy.’

    If you’re one of those 256 million, pass this on!!

    • Sharon says:

      It figures, doesn’t it, that all three them were too stupid to realize the plane’s windows don’t open and if they did successfully open a window at flight altitude, it might just maybe create some problems? ;)

  9. jordan2222 says:

    This entire thread has made me very “uncomfortable.”
    I know better than to discuss/debate Scripture online and I no longer do that, even in person, with anyone without a Strong’s Concordance handy along with at least a couple of other translations, including Ferrar Fenton’s but I do believe that now is forever. All I really have is this very moment.

    • Sharon says:

      I don’t think anyone on the site cares to “debate Scripture”…..but I sure agree with the Strong’s Concordance and your other suggestions. I’m thinking you’re right–forever is always going to be–now. That’s a nice thought! For lots of reasons.

      • jordan2222 says:

        Sorry, Sharon but every time some one quotes Scripture they usually do that in the context of making a point.

        Debate is not a good choice of words. I am a bit sensitive because I got kicked out of a few churches as a result of “discussing” Scripture with pastors who had never examined verses in the original Greek or Aramaic languages. They simply could not stand up to valid questions.

        NO ONE has all of the truth. When someone says that, run like hell. All religions are divided, they are denominations.. …the root word of which is denom, which means to divide.

        Martin Luther found some Truth and left the Catholic Church. Thus, began the Lutherans. I think each religion finds a certain degree of truth and they quit searching. The ekklisia are all of those who are called out. Each of our religions was called out from another one.

        Off topic but John was not a Baptist. He was John, the Baptizer. I assure you that there were no Baptists around during his time. He baptized people into repentance, not INTO Christ. He was appointed to baptize Jesus, the man, and also his cousin into Christ. Look up that word in the original text. At that moment, Jesus became the Christ. Sorry but there was no dove that landed on his shoulder. He was consumed with “fire” so bright that everyone there could see it, even those far away on the hillside. That is what “landed” on him and only a perfect could endure it, lest he burnt up.

        Uh, oh, better stop. Here I am on the verge of doing what I said I should not do .

        • jordan2222 says:

          I have to add one more thing. John said when he saw Jesus, “Behold, the Lamb of God.” It is utterly impossible that Jesus at that moment was the Lamb of God.. John said that because he prophetically “saw” what was going to happen. It was John’s job to baptize Jesus into the Christ.

          OK, I will shut up.

        • Sharon says:

          Hm…..I just deleted about 20 lines of my toomanywords! I agree with 98% of what you have written, but will just say this: I believe there are additional options between “debate” on one end of the spectrum and silence on the other–at least I keep working with that assumption, even if imperfectly.

          • jordan2222 says:

            Sorry, that I got into “preacher” mode.

              • jordan2222 says:

                I am only thinking out loud and this idea may not be feasible but it’s pretty obvious that most of the folks here profess to be “Christians.” We have a prayer request feature and I think that is great. I personally believe in prayer and also think that prayer has much greater power than most people actually believe. It is NOT a token thing to me and I take it seriously, even to the point of writing down the names of those and issues that I want to pray about.

                Some of us are called to be prayer warriors.. the kind that get into the prayer closet to pray fervently. I have known some that did that incessantly while fasting for extended periods of time.

                Again, I am only thinking out loud but would there be any merit to expanding that feature to include healthy, intelligent discussions about Scripture? There is so much bad news every day, that perhaps a “good news” section would be a good addition to our site.

                Just thinking. I recently sent out a batch of Happy New Year email and realized I closed every one with this same message.

                May God Bless America and look over us during our time of peril because I am sure that He is our ONLY hope. No man or woman is going to save us.

                I love you all.

                • Sharon says:

                  Good thoughts, jordan2222. Check out the Chapel feature…when we set the Treehouse up two years ago, we had this very conversation and set the Chapel up as a place for extended “thinking out loud about what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” has to say about things. There were three things we had in mind.

                  We recognized that the interests of our initial group reflected things of faith as well and we wanted to “build in” a place for that.

                  We specifically do not identify this as a Christian site, but wanted to make it a practice that anyone espousing Judeo-Christian matters of faith could freely express themselves without being slapped upside the head for doing so. However, in order to avoid having the open thread taken over by faith issues, Sundance built us a chapel. The chapel is not an everlasting church service: it’s a place for people of faith to express themselves without feeling like they’re hogging someone else’s conversation.

                  We appreciate all the good conversation we have with those who don’t care to talk about faith matters, and we certainly have no interest in making them feel like they stumbled into a church on the open thread or news threads.

                  Ad Rem is going to be re-freshing the Chapel thread for us–because it’s an open-ended thread, it’s gotten pretty long. So we’re going to give it a trim and probably just leave material from the last few months as a starter point. The older material will be available by clicking in an archive, so nothing’s going away. I have asked Puddy to leave one of the very early comments, by Wraith, who posed the perfect discussion starter.

                  Much of the recent comment thread in there is stuff I’ve put in–partly because that’s my habit of thinking and writing in personal matters pretty much all the time–and also to try to have something fairly fresh there for those who may peek in.

                  Take a look, and if you have any further comments or thoughts, go ahead and post them on the chapel thread and I’ll catch up with you there later. Thanks!

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    Wait.. Where is the chapel thread ?

                  • Sharon says:

                    Look in the right hand margin–click on the picture of “Our Chapel In The Woods”

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    Thanks.. I had never noticed it before. I like the opening statement that the section is for believers only. I will wait until you clean up the thread before posting because I want to be sure my comments fit in and are appropriate.

                  • Sharon says:

                    Oh, goodness….I hope it doesn’t say it’s for believers only…we want to set it up in such a way that those for whom faith is not important or who see themselves as agnostics, etc. would know they are welcome to participate in the conversation as well….just no Christian-bashing tolerated. I will have to revisit the intro and be sure of what it says….ADD: I realize I may have misunderstood your intent here. Yes, the Chapel is designedas a place for believers to share… sorry–that’s probably all you meant.

                  • jordan2222 says:

                    Sorry .. my comment was not precise but the implication is clear that it is not a place to argue against the existence of God.

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