12-26 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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234 Responses to 12-26 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. Here is a good demonstration of an inside the waistband (IWB) holster, as George Zimmerman was wearing. Many of the libs were saying earlier that George was wearing the IWB backwards, and thought he had a left-handed holster.

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    • LouDaJew says:

      LCP has to be the #1 selling concealed carry. Ruger did very well with that. they even have a holster where the trigger is cut out, but my friend at PPT guns says it’s illegal.

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    • Knuckledragging says:

      Why was this video posted?
      Why was this video made?

      This lady could go jogging with a Dessert Eagle chambered in .50 Dessert Eagle openly carried in a belt holster and non heterosexual man would notice it.

      The only carry option that would result in her pistol being noticed is carrying the gun in a cleavage holster as she demonstrates so spectacularly.

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  2. diwataman says:

    I thought Frances Robles left The Miami Herald, oh well.

    Parents of Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman cope with aftermath of killing

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/26/v-fullstory/3156895/parents-of-trayvon-martin-george.html

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    • That’s an interesting article. How about this part:

      “…..For their activism, Trayvon’s parents were skewered by right-wing bloggers, who tried to embarrass them by revealing personal information and photos.. …”

      Meanwhile, in gun-free Chicago, the 2012 murder count is approaching 500. Also, over 400 school age children were wounded by bullets in 2012. The Rev. Jesse Jackson visits the Cook County Jail, telling hundreds of inmates “to get tested for HIV, register to vote and pray for forgiveness….”

      http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17222129-418/rev-jesse-jackson-asks-jail-inmates-to-help-end-gun-violence.html

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    • Justice4All says:

      Someone unfamiliar with this story would not have any problem identifying who Franny is biased towards in this article.

      I love how she plays down the 10 day suspension as no big deal just a little vacation time with dad, little baby Trayvon off to 7-11 to get some snacks, did the “skinny” high school kid punch George for no reason?

      Meanwhile George gets hit wiith…..”Zimmerman did what he has done several times before when he spotted black men he didn’t recognize.”

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      • diwataman says:

        You can also tell by the descriptors, name use and the juxtaposition of name use in the same sentences;
        20 Trayvon’s
        4 George’s

        “Trayvon became…Zimmerman shot”
        “black teenager…Hispanic neighborhood-watch volunteer”
        “Trayvon went…encountered George Zimmerman”
        “teenager was dead, and Zimmerman’s life”
        “Trayvon deck Zimmerman”
        “teenager was hitting Zimmerman”

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    • justfactsplz says:

      She can run but she can’t hide. She is in a heap of trouble.

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    • recoverydotgod says:

      Here’s a long video, but informative. To me it begs the question why the Miami area press who surely knew the juvenile justice system available to residents didn’t ask a lot more questions based on that knowledge of the attorneys, parents and media consultant that were advancing a media strategy.

      May 5, 2011

      Florida Face to Face – Wansley Walters, Secretary, Department of Juvenile Justice

      Host Beth Switzer talks with Secretary Walters about changes she hopes to make in the state’s juvenile justice program. Topics include reforms passed during the 2011 legislative session, Juvenile Assessment Centers, Civil Citation program, and more.

      http://thefloridachannel.org/video/wansley-walters-secretary-department-of-juvenile-justice/

      [Wansley Walters was the Director of Miami-Dade Department of Juvenile Services before becoming The State of Florida's Secretary of the Department of Juvenile Justice]

      Here’s a link to a informational brochure, not sure when it was published by Miami-Dade Department of Juvenile Services.

      http://www.docstoc.com/docs/28715215/JSDBrochure

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  3. I have a question for you guys. I am *not* trolling. I believe in George’s innocence and I wasn’t taken in by the profiteers devoted to the “Travy Grain” (or is it Gravy Train?). Just want to be armed with the best possible argument. What is the rebuttal of the talking point regarding the (alleged?) lack of Zimmerman DNA on T.M.?

    Thanks and Happy Holidays to the Zimmerman family. May nobody else go through what you are going.

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    • Chip Bennett says:

      What is the rebuttal of the talking point regarding the (alleged?) lack of Zimmerman DNA on T.M.?

      First: why would it even be relevant? In what context, or for what argument, would it matter? Multiple eye-witnesses prove Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him. Multiple eye-witnesses prove that Zimmerman was battered and bloodied. Photographic and medical-record evidence prove that Zimmerman was assaulted.

      Second: Zimmerman’s DNA was found on Martin’s person – on his hoodie.

      Third: Martin’s body, aside from the underside of his fingernails (a test done to determine if the person being tested exhibited physical evidence of self-defense), was not tested for Zimmerman’s DNA.

      Fourth: the rainy conditions, wet grass, and handling of Martin’s body in the aftermath of the shooting (especially the life-saving efforts taken by emergency personnel) would have left little-to-no DNA to be found on Martin’s person, especially his hands.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Great answer, Chip……. again!!!
        De ja vu all over again…
        OBJECTION….. question asked and answered !!
        Insanity? Asking the same question over and over and expecting a different answer?

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        • jello333 says:

          True, but has Richard asked that question before? (I can’t keep track of all the newbies around here ;) )

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          • rumpole2 says:

            Richard probably has (a guess), but even giving him the benefit of the doubt… he could have READ that question asked (and answered) many times.
            And as Chip says… what is the point of the question? What alternative scenario would no DNA indicate?
            Actually “no DNA” (even if tested for indicates very little)… DNA is not always transferred, and often not able to be collected. PRESENCE of DNA is an inclusive test. ABSENCE of DNA proves………. NOTHING!!!

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            • jordan2222 says:

              In defense of the new guy asking about the DNA, that is a common issue at HP. I have read enough here to know it is irrelevant but others have not. Maybe he just wanted a response to take back to wherever he posts. I am encouraged by all of the new people coming in here. So far, they are asking reasonable questions that someone might ask who honestly does not know or pretends to know all of the facts of the case.

              I welcome them and whatever they can bring into the conversation.

              We all know that the SPD did make some mistakes in investigating the case. Are they important? I think that depends on the perspective of the person asking the questions. Don’t we continue to ask for things that the SPD should have turned over to the state? Most of those things are not important to that gang at HuffPo.

              I have not been over there in a while so I do not know what’s new, if anything about the case. I did make a couple of posts about the absurdity of gun control laws and picked up quite a few favorable replies.

              I do wish we had a newbie section so that folks could introduce themselves but it generally does not take long for them to fit in. Are we now known for being friendly and accommodating?

              We do best when stick to ourselves and leave the other nuts out of our discussions, doncha think so?

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            • jello333 says:

              Yeah I know. I’m really looking forward to whatever new might be coming out over the next week or so, because as of right now we’re just repeating ourselves. Most of us know this case in such detail by now that there’s not a lot more to say about it until something new is released. And I REALLY hope some of that will involve more undermining of the Dee Dee narrative… preferably enough to cause Crump and some others to lawyer up.

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              • flaladybug says:

                Not that it has much bearing on the case Jello….but I actually had a VERY INTERESTING event happen today. I’ll just say that Judge Nelson is enjoying her holiday vacation by shopping with her granddaughter today….we came face to face in the dressing room!! Lmao. I nearly passed out!! We spoke briefly and I told her I thought she was doing a great job considering the amount of pressure she must be under. I could tell they were both VERY NERVOUS about being recognized so I didn’t push my luck but did let her know despite public and political pressure that I had faith she would be unbiased and fair. She thanked me for the compliment and respecting her position (think she was glad I was discrete and knew my boundaries)!! Here’s hoping she does some READING on this vacay!!!lol

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                • jello333 says:

                  Wow. That’s something else! And I think you handled it just about right. I know if it was me, I’d be tempted to tell her to watch out for all the liars and conspirators on the prosecution side… but I think I could bite my tongue and “be good” instead. But you never know. ;) You think she understood from your comments which “side” you are on?

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                  • flaladybug says:

                    I think so….I was extremely careful in my wording to imply that I believe she would look beyond the pressure from all sides and just do what her position demands….to be fair and most importantly NOT BIASED. She was really friendly and seemed much more “with it” so to speak than how she came across at the hearings. Her granddaughter was very protective and when I reached for my cell to reply to a text from my son…she asked me to please not take photos. I put cell back in purse and told her I would never invade their privacy and was responding to my son….they were both very gracious but definitely alert as to their surroundings! I was honestly in such SHOCK I could barely get my feet to move!!lol. By her behavior I knew she would shut down any talk of specifics but I truly hope I got my point across.

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                • rumpole2 says:

                  I’d have been shocked to come “face to face” with Judge Nelson in a dressing room too! :D

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                  • flaladybug says:

                    SHOCK is an UNDERSTATEMENT!!! Lol. The crazy part is that I ran into her in 3 different stores(huge mall). She probably thought I was a freakin’ nutjob stalker or something….. but I swear it was coincidence!!! Lmao. I will say she must like her judges robe….she was in black head to toe!!

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                  • Sha says:

                    rumpole2 : I would be even more shocked… he…. he…. if you came ( face to face) in a dressing room with her. Justsayin….. :D

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                • Libby says:

                  I bet she had a gun in her purse

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      • Knuckledraggingwino says:

        IMHO, an even bigger issue is the LACK of TM DNA on GZ’s gun. Parks gave an interview a few months back in which he threw Double Dee Dee under the bus by suggesting that GZ was chasing TM through the RTL with GUN DRAWN threateningly. This he argued gave TM a legitimate right to physically assault GZ. If GZ had been brandishing his gun, I would agree. If the is scenario was correct, then the protracted struggle documented by the multiple 911 tapes would almost certainly have resulted in TM’s DNA getting on GZ’s gun as they struggled for it. The lack of DNA on the gun doesn’t conclusiveltpy proove that such a struggle didn’t occur. However; in this case, while absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, the absence of evidence strongly suggests an absence.

        Have MoM and West researched or done reenactments to establish the probability that such a struggle ivermectin the gun could have occurred without leaving TM DNA on the gun?

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Hi, Richard. There is more DNA testing to be done and has been done that the prosecution has not bothered to put in their discovery. There was some DNA on the bottom of one of T.M.’s shirt sleeve I believe. It is the unidentified DNA that needs to be investigated farther also.

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    • diwataman says:

      I think the best way to respond to that “talking point” is personal character attacks. But if you want to be nice to them just ask them to elaborate and ask them what their point is. “So what?” in other words. If they can’t answer and form an actual argument tell them to FO.

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      • Thank you, diwataman, justfactsplz, and Chip for your helpful answers. It was very kind of you not to assume that I have the entire Zimmerman/Martin archive memorized or that I should.

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        • raiikun says:

          The most important point that needs to be emphasized is: There is no record of DNA testing done on Trayvon’s hands, only scrapings from under the fingernails.

          Therefore we can only guess as to what was or was not on Trayvon’s knuckles, palms, fingers, etc. There is no record of what is there. Anyone that says otherwise is distorting the evidence.

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          • justfactsplz says:

            You are right that we have seen no record of DNA testing on Trayvon’s hands. It should have been done. I don’t know if it was indeed done. I do know that his hands were wrapped and bagged at the scene to preserve evidence and that pictures were taken of his hands.

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            • debfrmhell says:

              I haven’t been able to find anything in the reports that says they did this. I have always assumed that they weren’t able to do that because of the weather and the paper bags they use. Plastic degrades bio-evidence.

              I have no idea why they didn’t swab those hands and settled for nail scrappings at the autopsy. IMO, that should have been done at the scene while there was a remote possibility of getting some DNA.

              Do you have a link or remember anything where I can go look? I got a new computer today (yay me) and lost all my links stored in Mozilla (not so yay…anything.) So now I have to rebuild my library. 8-(

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              • justfactsplz says:

                Congratulations on your new computer. Have fun with it. I do not have a link as this is information that I know but has not been included in discovery so far. I happen to know people involved in this case is why I know that the prosecution is holding back.

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                • jello333 says:

                  Hey, I’ve asked a couple times but nobody will answer me. They all hate me here! :( So, I’ll ask you… do you happen to know Bobby’s email address? I mean only if it’s public and he has posted it, of course.

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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    We don’t hate you….. we just keep secrets and talk behind your back a little bit.

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                  • jello333 says:

                    :cry:

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                  • jordan2222 says:

                    There is a price to pay for abandoning your friends at Christmas. You had all of us worried sick. Sharon called the hospitals and I called the jails.

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                  • jello333 says:

                    Hey! I posted a few comments in the 12/24 GZ thread. Just because the time stamps on my comments show that I didn’t post them till early morning on the 26th doesn’t prove a thing. And where you messed up was calling the jail instead of juvie. I may be in my 50s, but I’m still mistaken for a teenager most of the time….

                    ….. alright, quit laughing!!

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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    I assumed you were being held hostage at JQ…. I sent in spies, but really all we could do was wait for the ransom note. I assumed it was taking them a while because LIMPapa and Moreinane Dave were making a video mash ransom demand Youtube :D

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                  • jello333 says:

                    They threatened to lock me in a room with Trent. So I HAD to talk! Sorry…

                    But really, the reason I wasn’t around was the same reason I didn’t do much of anything else for a week or so leading up to Christmas. It was just so busy that I barely had a minute here or there to do anything but get ready for all the stuff we were trying to do. And I knew if I got on here and started talking to you guys, I’d stay here for hours. This is the first year in a long time that we’ve done everything at OUR house, as opposed to other relatives’ houses. And to top it off, some of the people we thought would be helping us got sick (this bad flu going around), so 90% of everything came down to me. I thought the holidays were supposed to be “fun”. ;)

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                  • debfrmhell says:

                    The easiest way to reach him is thru Twitter. He is very active there. And you can direct message him if you don’t want anyone to read your message.

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                  • jello333 says:

                    Thanks, but I just emailed him. ;)

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    I sure don’t. He does twitter but I don’t know about an email address.

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                  • jordan2222 says:

                    justfactsplz

                    Maybe I misunderstood but you have made a few comments about the State withholding evidence that might be damaging to George. What do you mean?

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                  • justfactsplz says:

                    Correction. I believe they are holding evidence that would definitely be beneficial to George. There is a reason SPD did not charge him.

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                  • jordan2222 says:

                    Whew!!! That makes a lot more sense.

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              • dmoseylou says:

                Hands are routinely bagged at the scene to preserve trace evidence, ie: hair, clothing fibers, debris, blood, etc. Fingernail scrapings are done to retrieve additional trace / microscopic evidence, such as DNA from the attacker acquired defensively—the perp’s skin cells from the victim’s scratching, clawing, etc. the attacker. Witnesses saw only GZ and TM, a third person was not involved, eliminating the necessity of testing for foreign DNA on the hands. The total absence of GZ’s DNA under TM’s nails is irrefutable evidence that TM did NOT try to fend off an attacker by scratching, clawing, etc. Also, NO defensive bruising was noted on TM’s lower arms. Natural human instinct when being assaulted is to raise the arms in the defensive posture—up and across the area being hit, and lash out with the hands to stop the hitting, or knifing, etc. resulting in the attacker’s DNA and trace being trapped under the victim’s nails.

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          • Knuckledraggingwino says:

            There were several errors with the autopsy. The ME failed ton take surface swabs from around the entrance wound and tissue samples from the wound to be tested for gun shot residue that would have definitively established the range at which TM was shot. The apparent discrepency between the ME’s finding of an “Intermediate Range” (actually Close Range using a more precise nomenclature) and the FDLE crime labe finding from analyzing the clothing of Contact Range shooting has inspired very creative fantasies bynthe Traybots. The ME obviously preceded under the presumption that TM was the victim of a crime rather than the perpetrator because Serino had related an incident summary that GZ had pursued and confronted TM which led to a fight.

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    • jello333 says:

      No problem with those kinds of honest questions. I was gonna give it a shot, but I see Chip has (as usual) already covered it quite well. ;)

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      • justfactsplz says:

        Where you been? Good to see you back on here.

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        • jello333 says:

          I know, it’s been ridiculous busy around here. But I still should have at least stopped in to say hi. I finally got around to posting last night, but it was in the 12/24 thread, so most likely very few people saw it. Anyway, thanks for wondering about me. ;) And I should be here lots more from now on.

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    • Libby says:

      Love that trayvy Grain!

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  4. rumpole2 says:

    Daily Daft post from Just-arse Quest:

    Teeto
    I did a whole legal write up on what I think he can be held accountable for so far as crimes are based upon the facts as we know them, and yes, I think assault, aggravated assault and battery are charges that the prosecution can claim that GZ was in the commission of committing that will prevent him from being able to rely on the self-defense statutes. The stalking, as I read it, is also available to them despite the fact that it states “repeatedly” or something to that effect – as I recall, case law holds that repeated stalking can occur even though it was during the course of one series of events.

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    • kathyca says:

      Teeto the legal maven. Yes, George was in the “commission of committing” various and sundry crimes. I wonder if that’s also part of his “motis operanda.” Teeto’s all over that, too. Iirc, she even italicized the term since lawyers (like Teeto) know that you’re “suppose” to italicize Latin legal terms in formal writing — ya know, like the kind at JQ. : eyeroll :

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      • howie says:

        This quest could last a lifetime.

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        • rumpole2 says:

          :D
          It certainly would take a lifetime and more, IF the Quest was for “Justice”… they will never find that with their heads up their asses. :D
          But THEIR Quest is for a “lynchin’ ” …. metaphorically speaking, of course… they don’t typically call for a rope and a nearby tree… but they do pray for physical harm and DEATH for defendants and for misery and ruin on their family and friends and supporters.

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      • jello333 says:

        Yeah, you being one of our resident lawyers, I was gonna ask you about that. I just checked Black’s for “in the commission of committing” and came up empty. Help!

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      • rumpole2 says:

        :D
        Teeto knows ya need a MO…. its standard stuff for lawyers, doncha know…. just no idea what the M and O stand for (on TV they never say) :D
        To quote “Derek and Clive” I think she is in need of treatment “Post hoc, te proct” for Lobsterissimus Bummakissimus

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    • howie says:

      Is Teeto a jailhouse lawyer?

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    • murderbythebook says:

      I don’t even know what he’s talking about;

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    • dexter says:

      Zimmerman couldn’t have been stalking anyone while he was parked on the side of the road talking to the dispatcher, or while he was standing in one place pounding his flashlight, clearly heard on the dispatcher call, so you would think he’d have to stalk “multiple” times, even for those delusional enough to think he’s guilty

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    • Justice4All says:

      “I think”…….”as I read”….

      Yup…we are dealing with a legal professional here. Judge Joe Brown graduate.

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    • MJW says:

      First, I’m I always both a little annoyed and a little amused by those who preface a claim by “as I recall” then proceed as if they’ve stated established fact. As I recall, they’re often mistaken. So unless Teeto can actually cite a Florida case that allowed a stalking charge under similar circumstances, I’m (to say the least) dubious. I’ll cite Stone v. State, 798 So. 2d 861 (Fla. 4th DCA 2001) for the proposition that a single incident can’t constitute stalking. Also, simple stalking isn’t a felony, so the state would have to prove aggravated stalking. The difference between stalking and aggravated stalking is that aggravated stalking requires that the perpetrator makes a credible threat to the victim.

      Second, Teeto is incorrect in his/her belief that allegations that Zimmerman committed assault and battery can be used to defeat a self defense claim. The law in Florida is clear: the felony must be independent of the act that was claimed to be done in self defense. The Florida supreme court said in Martinez v. State, 981 So. 2d 449 (Fla. 2008): “[W]e hold that the lower courts have properly concluded that for the forcible-felony instruction to apply, there must be an independent forcible felony other than the one which the defendant claims he or she committed in self-defense.”

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  5. diwataman says:

    One thing I would like to know is the reasoning as the process unfolds, not some vague notion of looking at the facts or silly affidavit, behind Angela Corey’s decision to charge George with second degree murder. Actually I would like to know that in every case in that I think it should be public information. So in other words if she had meetings and such with her investigators, ASA’s, etc., those should be recorded and made public so we can hear the process of how the conclusions were drawn. I think making such things public would help prevent prosecutorial misconduct and malicious prosecution. I’m also willing to bet if we had such a system in place George would have never been charged.

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    • jordan2222 says:

      Correct. All we know is that Corey commended the SPD for doing a great thorough job, or words to that affect. So exactly what communication exists between her team and the SPD? Where is everything they gave her that resulted in their decision to not arrest George?

      As far as I know, the ONLY thing that changed is Crump produced a very strange “ear witness” who, for whatever legal reasons unknown to me, refused to talk with LE until BLDR went down there to meet with her. Even then, she was not there and they had to go find her. Why didn’t they interview her like most witnesses are?

      Is anyone using common sense about this crap any longer? Sometimes, I feel like a damn dummy asking the same old questions over and over again.

      I am still baffled as to how the State has not been required to turn over their communication with the SPD and, oh, so much more. That truly defies logic but so do many other things.

      If O’Mara has all of this, then why hasn’t it been posted? Is that his responsibility or the State’s?

      How did Tracy get a pass on obstruction of justice when he refused to provide the cell phone PIN?

      Is the full toxicoloy report not important? And how about those phone records and ping logs?

      There must a good reason for all of this evidence to be withheld. Maybe they have rewritten the Sunshine laws here.

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      • diwataman says:

        There is so much more isn’t there. It’s maddening. Shouldn’t O’Mara depose Bernie now upon learning that the other A.S.A. was talking to each cop right before their depositions with O’Mara? What was that guy saying to them? Even more important I think on that is even if he was just going up to them and making small talk, since the others saw it but didn’t know what they were talking about wouldn’t that be a form of intimidation? I think it does and it seems that’s what one cop may have felt about the situation. I wonder if we’ll ever see any follow through on that from O’Mara.

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    • jello333 says:

      Yep, that’s how it should be done. And as for Corey herself, assuming this case ends the way we expect — with her and others under the legal microscope for their misconduct — it shouldn’t end with George’s case. Someone needs to look back at ALL the cases that slimy woman has handled over the years. And if need be, re-open every one that led to a conviction or plea bargain. There may be a LOT of innocent people in jail right now because of Slime Corey.

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    • Cyrano says:

      Omara should depose Governor Scott to at least make him lie about having any conversations with Bondi and/or Corey prior to the charges being brought.

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      • jordan2222 says:

        You can take it to the bank that they talked. We will never know exactly what was said, but most of us have enough common sense to figure that out. I would also not be surprised to learn that a conversation took place between Scott and Eric Holder, or at least a surrogate.

        Go back in time in your mind and remember how threats of riots suddenly began to cool.

        I suspect that there were coordinated links of communication that included Obama, Holder, Sharpton (maybe even Jackson) as well as Scott, Corey and Bondi. They may have been off the record but something changed and Crump “got the word” that he had free reign to purse that pot of money.

        Otherwise, I simply do not believe he would have been confident enough to create the DeeDee story. He believed he could win, and, hell he may still think so. Since the state has never ordered a plea deal, as far as I know, who knows what they are up to.

        Look at how Crump was able to completely defy Nelson’s order in open court and he got away with it. That simply could not have happened without Bernie or someone telling him to ignore the order.

        And here we all are everyday wondering how the state can continue to withhold discovery, even exculpatory evidence and not a damn thing happens to them.

        At least the media was vocal about that during the CA trial. All I hear now is crickets.

        While we may not be lawyers, we do know how to look up applicable law. I have yet to read anything in rules of discovery in Florida criminal trials that explains this.

        Even our legal team here has no answers to a lot of this stuff. It is not possible that we are all a bunch of dummies. Thank God (and Sundance, et al.) George has a voice speaking up for him.

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  6. rumpole2 says:

    Zimmerman: The Scheme Team Polka

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  7. rumpole2 says:

    Oh noes……I iz in Spam Filter!!

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  8. brutalhonesty says:

    what? “Who couldn’t admire, love and adore Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton? One could learn a lot from these two genuine, unselfish and loving people. During a time of mourning, 10 months of it to be exact, Tracy and Sybrina are again giving for the greater good, in memory of their son, Trayvon Martin.” Lmfao

    http://dothprotesttoomuch.com/2012/12/26/tracy-martin-and-sybrina-fulton-to-present-scholarship-award-in-honor-of-son-trayvon-martin/

    “The parents of Trayvon Martin and their attorney plan to attend a local banquet honoring Martin Luther King Jr. next month”
    “The lead attorney in their son’s case, Benjamin Crump, will be the keynote speaker at the event that begins at 6:30 that night in the north tower of the beachside hotel on North Atlantic Avenue.”

    http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20121222/NEWS/312229986/1040?Title=Trayvon-Martin-s-parents-expected-at-MLK-banquet-&tc=ar

    Its going to be another money grab lol, and crump will spew his lies and the black sheep will baa baa in repetition. methinks they are only doing this to validate their foundation. if they have not helped anyone at all with all that money, then they have some ‘splainin to do.

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    • brutalhonesty says:

      yup, its a scam lol
      “Tickets for the Jan. 17 banquet are on sale now and can be purchased until Jan. 14. Those interested in buying tickets, which are $50 per person and tax-deductible, can contact Kim Brown Crawford at (386) 451-1108.”
      Its all for publicity, the $50 goes to them as charity, they give 10% of the total as the financing for the scholarship they “give away” to “one lucky kid”…and they get their names in the papers with publicity and photo ops with people…..

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    • dmoseylou says:

      A banquet, march, picnic, worship service, and breakfast honoring MLK. Will the Scheming Scammers be attending each event? Lots of $$$$-making opportunites. They are probably already busy armor-all-ing those Rubbermaids.
      [img]http://grabilla.com/02c1a-0fc9bbed-5cf9-4fac-bdbf-c324776be73f.png[/img][/url]

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      • dmoseylou says:

        YIKES! BRB…trying to figure out what I did wrong with that one!

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          • rumpole2 says:

            Your first “image” link has [Img] code… so does not show as a hyperlink that can be “clicked” here… remove the [Img] boxes and it at least does that:

            To make the pic actually show on the page here… we need one of the passing feline moderator/admins to work on it….. offering kittiy treats as a bribe might help :D
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            • Ad rem says:

              LOL….no need for bribing with treats! Just to behold the breathtaking “Trashcan Momma” is reward enough for moi. :-D

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              • dmoseylou says:

                Silly me, I forgot I can not post pics here. {{{SIGH}}} :oops:
                Thanks, Rumpole2 and Ad rem.

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                • Ad rem says:

                  Errrrrr…..hope you don’t mind. I told some friends you had treats. :roll:
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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    My dream!!!! A SEA OF CATS *sigh*

                    I got up to 7 for a while… that was good :D

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                  • Sharon says:

                    oh, good grief! (that’s my reaction to the herd of cats above..)

                    Rumpole, in the olden days (back in the 50’s) in my former farmgirl life, my neighboring cousin–the next farm over–and I always had cat competitions–who could have the most of them at one time. One time my herd actually got up to 21!! Of course, the peak count never lasted very long once the coyotes and badgers found out there was fresh furry brunch over at the big barn. And they never got fed anything except a great big pan of warm milk straight from cow. So there was no expense, the coyotes ate well, the cats ate well (keeping the mice count down) and everybody was happy. I guess! 8O

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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    The 7 were all indoor/outdoor cats.. normal domestic situation. We do have rural land behind our house where they can roam and hunt etc. (but a road at the front of the house that has taken toll of some) :(
                    I was not counting the unknown number of “feral cats” I “had” as a child and young teen living with my parents. There was a herd living on wasteland behind the house.. I fed them.. tamed several…. I would guess there were 30 or more? It wasn’t a “sea of cats” at feeding time. The brave few came to be fed, but most kept well away until the feeder left.
                    One of these “feral” cats became tame enough to be a house cat.. and promptly gave birth to 5 kittens in my bedroom :)
                    Sadly parents put a stop to my cat adoptions after that.

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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    That was in the “olden days” too…. but the later Jurassic period (60’s)

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                • justfactsplz says:

                  Absolutely adorable.

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      • Libby says:

        They can all celebrate how they ignore MLK’s dreams of a society in which people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character

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    • jordan2222 says:

      “What a beautiful way to keep your son’s name alive.”

      How about an online memorial featuring all of his accomplishments, school records, videos and words of wisdom at Facebook and Twitter.

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    • jello333 says:

      Disgusting. If MLK was alive today, he would want NOTHING to do with the likes of Tracy, Sybrina, or especially Crump and NatJack… oh, or “Reverend” Al!!. He would be embarrassed and ashamed at what they’ve done, and he would loudly and publicly state that. And YES, if anyone from off-site is reading this, I AM “presuming to know” what Martin might have thought were he still around. I’d venture to say I know a lot more about him than most of the GZ haters out there.

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      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Sorry, but I don’t agree with your estimation of MLK. While he might publicly avoid the people you named, I believe he would privately root for them.

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        • jello333 says:

          No, he absolutely despised injustice, no matter its source. And during the last few years of his life, he began to move away from solely “black” causes to other causes. Poverty, war, inequality, and like I said, just plain old injustice. There’s still lots of suspicions that he was killed partly due to his opposition to the war, among other things. (And no, I don’t believe for a second that Ray just decided on his own that he was gonna shoot him a n****r.) As long as Martin focused solely on civil rights re. blacks, most of the powers that be were willing to let him do his thing. But once he started to expand his focus, things changed.

          Yes, if he was alive now, when he first heard about the shooting, he would have acted like almost everyone did. But once he learned the facts, he would NOT just sit back and allow an innocent young man to be railroaded, just because he didn’t happen to be black. Oh, and on a more general note, I bet he would be VERY angry about the “thug culture” going on now.

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    • Alexandra M. says:

      With Crump as the event’s keynote speaker, will subtitles be provided??

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  9. brutalhonesty says:

    photo/1

    new home of the trayvon martin cult worship alter

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  10. brutalhonesty says:

    FROM THE DESK OF ROBERT ZIMMERMAN JR
    Dear Francis,I read your article and all-in-all I think it’s a decent summary. Part of it also makes it clear why I must be very careful whatnewspaper, if any, I speak to. Newsprint is a waning format and as a consequence more and more print journalists publishmythology they over-sensationalize. (Lie about). When I declined to review our policy regarding speaking to the Miami Herald, it wasin part because no matter how many of your questions I had answered

    it would probably be the case as has been in the past, thatthe Herald would ultimately see to it that a dangerous lie or two would make its way into your story.Simple internet research alone would have shown an objective person seeking truth, that George Zimmerman was advised to stop”following” Mr. Martin – when he was on foot after leaving his vehicle and he
    replied “yes” to the dispatcher when asked if he was
    following Mr. Martin. Research would also show Al Sharpton (at Sanford city hall meeting) and his contemporaries: Crump, Jackson(Natalie/Jesse), NAACP, and members of the Congressional Black Caucus on numerous occasions repeating the falsehood of Georgebeing told not to get out of his truck and that then George “got out anyway”. That assertion is a myth, It is completely false, andrepeating it serves one purpose: to advance the racially driven narrative that relies on the sound-byte “murdered by a racist whiteman” to advance the notoriety of a select few who profit from dividing us. That narrative depends on the proliferation of, and isplagued by mis-truths, such as that one.I’m particularly disturbed because every time a member of the press repeats that egregious lie – more & more people are inclined tobelieve it. Is there a reason you want us to believe that? That assertion makes people, particularly some black people direct hatredat all of the Zimmermans. It is the proliferation of lies like that one in particular which confuse people and “slit your throat” deaththreats – that threaten our Mother
    ’s life whil
    e simply checking the mail

    that are left on our neighbors’ answering machines (asreferenced in your article) is what we are now facing. Unless people call your neighbors to threaten to kill your mother in such a
    violent way, I don’t think you’d
    be able to appreciate how that makes her children feel. For the record, as a result of numerous deaththreats

    our mother
    like Mr. Martin’s
    mother, until recently, slept mostly in hotels as well: at her own expense. The apparent lackof sympathy from Tracy Martin referenced in your article does not surprise me.
    Referring to George, he says “he took that on”. He
    still is unwilling or unable to publicly acknowledge his repeatedly suspended-from-school son could ever be capable of attacking
    George. George did not “take on” anything but his
    assailant, and referring to preserving his life in his own words
    says “I shot to savemy own”.
    I don’t think we get very far calling journalists liars but it is December now, and it

    s hard to believe that any journalist would stillreport that George being told to not get out of his vehicle is true…
    It’s
    even harder to believe that they would be permitted by theiremployer to publish it as truth. The unwritten implication is that George is somehow defiant and that he
    dismissed the dispatcher’s
    words

    Nothing is further from the truth. Again, as I have said since March 29, if you actually listen to the tapes in evidence, you’llclearly hear the dispatcher tell him “we don’t need you to do that”: a reference to George following Mr. Martin, well after Georgehad left his vehicle.
    George acknowledges the dispatcher’s suggestion as if it were an order and stops
    following, and in fact losessight of Mr. Martin. If you listen to Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ben Jealous & other “civil-rights” celebrities/personalities, you mightcome to a different conclusion.
    You might also be inclined to refer to George, as your article does, as a “gunman”.George is not and was not a “gunman”. George, like many
    Americans was a qualified citizen trained and licensed by his state to carrya firearm on his person in order to defend himself and possibly others against imminent threats of grave bodily harm or death.George was following the law. It is unfair and gratuitous of you
    to portray my brother as a “gunman” –
    there is absolutely noevidence his weapon was drawn. Mr. Martin was sitting on him and beating him, prompting George to move his head and upperbody into grass attempting to prevent even more grave bodily harm to his head at the hands of his attacker; evidence shows this iswhat exposed his firearm. Mr. Martin never knew George was armed before that moment. George showed tremendous restraintdespite the savagery shown him by his attacker.

    In the interest of clarity, let me correct you on another point: you write
    “Zimmerman did what he had done several times beforewhen he spotted black men he didn’t recognize. He called the police”
    . Allow me to be perfectly clear, George did not call the policewh
    en he saw black men he didn’t recognize, not that night, and to my recollection –
    not ever. George called the police whenanything in his crime-riddled community was out of place, including anyone he did not recognize, regardless of their race.Dispatchers solicit descriptions of alleged suspects as part of their job. When a caller describes an alleged suspect

    including therace they appear to be

    they are being truthful and thorough in their interaction with police. When a journalist writes that George
    calls police when he doesn’t recognize black men, they are not being truthful. Unless you can find a call where George says h
    e is
    calling the police because he doesn’t recognize a black man –
    you are most likely lying. Did you ever hear such a call? Did you listento the February 26 recordings? George initially and immediately makes it clear he is calling police because a rash of break-ins in hiscommunity, combined with a person he does not recognize loitering in the rain aroused his suspicion. He never mentions Mr.
    Martin’s race until he is asked to describe Mr. Martin.
    In light of what has already happened to NBC – if I were a journalist, I would not want to be the one to publish stories that includefabrications or stories that put words in a dispatcher’s mouth he never said. Fortunately, I’m not a journalist – I’m simply a readerand listener: I read official documents submitted as evidence and I listen carefully to audio evidence.Respectfully,Robert Zimmerman, Jr – @rzimmermanjr
    FYI:Official evidence can be found at:Gzlegalcase.comThe Defin
    ition of a “gunman” according to Merriam
    -Webster:1
    :
    a man armed with a gun;
    especially
    :
    a professional killer 2
    :
    a man noted for speed or skill in handling a gun
    The Definition of a “gunman” according to
    Bing

    :1: man with gun: a man armed with a gun, especially a criminal or an assassin2: skillful shooter: a man skilled in firing guns
    The Definition of “libel” according to Merriam
    -Webster:2b:
    (1)
    :
    a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to publiccontempt
    (2)
    :
    defamation of a person by written or representational means
    The Definition of “libel” according to Bing™:
    1: defamation: a false and malicious published statement that damages somebody’s reputation.2: attacking of somebody’s reputation: the making of false and damaging statements about somebody

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    • howie says:

      The ice is melting under the scheme team. Getting thinner. Eventually the states evidence will exonerate Zimmerman. The formal defense investigation….if not stymied by Nelson…will run Corey off. Unless she wins her lawsuit v Harvard law School.

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Robert makes some good points.
      Francis Robles can not be so stupid as to not know already what Robert is pointing out… but even so, I hope it gives her at least some nagging doubts when she writes in future.
      As for the rest of the Traybot universe.. .. Robert’s words are largely not read and comprehended by the “English Scholars”… they simply can not read and comprehend English. They have minimised/dismissed the points made and just used this message from Robert as a spring board for more irrational diatribes. Potty mouthed vitriol… spewed hate from the sewer. No shortage of contenders for the next “Daily Daft Post from Justarse Quest” :D

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    • justfactsplz says:

      Alright, Bobby! What a great job was done on this comment . Thanks for posting it.

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    • jello333 says:

      Oh, very nice. Hey, does anyone have Bobby’s email address? (assuming it’s public, I mean)

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    • Sha says:

      Good for you Robert Jr….. You keep taking up for your brother . You tell all those hateful people to kiss your foot if they don’t like you defending him….. I wonder if it where there brother in trouble would they stand by and let someone harm him or trash his name. I would go down fighting until my last breathe for my brother and believe me when I tell you , I could care less if people didn’t like it . My brother will always be my brother and the only opinion that would really matter to me.

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    • jordan2222 says:

      I just did but wish I had not.

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      • dalec911 says:

        Where do there people come from??? I can see being pro Trayvon, but people like this are just feeding the fire. I couldn’t even type a responce at first, after reading this crap. I don’t really believe this trial will be thrown out or dropped at a SYG hearing. I think the state has no choice but let it go to trial, to cover their asses. With that said…I’ve had a few too many vodka tonics and should just go back to lurking…at least until my blood pressure goes back down! :-)

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        • rumpole2 says:

          Vodka Tonic in excess is probably your best course of action :D

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        • jello333 says:

          Hey, you’re in good company here. Similar to what my sons say about being skaters… If you don’t have a whole bunch of little injuries to show for it, you haven’t been skating very long. Well, for us here… if your blood pressure isn’t through the roof, and if you haven’t gone at least a wee bit insane, you’re not following the minute details of this case closely enough! ;)

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      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Yes, that article ranks very high on the list of known causes for nausea.

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    • howie says:

      This disgusting excuse reverses the injustice served upon poor blacks. The truth is that they are not represented well in the CJS. But his remedy is to lynch Zimmerman. This man exemplifies all that is wrong.

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  11. jordan2222 says:

    This is off topic but JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered on Christmas Day 1996. Will we ever know who did it?

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    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      I hope George has a rock solid alibi for that day. If not, he will probably be charged for that, too.

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      • Libby says:

        he prolly did it….he has a mean streak a record a mile long (sure he was 12 at the time, but we know he was up to no good even back then).
        (forgive me GZ, please)

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    • dmoseylou says:

      (JonBenet was found dead in the family’s basement Dec. 26, the day after Christmas. No, I do not believe her murder will ever be solved.)
      Murder of JonBenét Ramsey

      http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html

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      • jordan2222 says:

        Such a strange case. I always thought the ransom note was bizarre and might hold the key. I also thought it was proof that the intruder knew the Ramsey’s and that JonBenet might have recognized the killer.

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    • diwataman says:

      I remember when that happened but I never looked into it. I just ran into this article that talks about;

      “Former detective Jim Kolar says it has taken him months of introspection and much of his retirement savings to launch his self-published book, Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet Ramsey? The book reads like a Ramsey case encyclopedia, detailing conversations and clues that Kolar believes have been overlooked, including an intact cobweb in the basement window and a toy that may have been responsible for some of the abrasions on JonBenet’s body.”

      They say Kolar theorizes the cobweb would have been wiped away if anyone had tried to squirm through. And so I looked at it for about 15 minutes and find that the window opening to be apx 19″ W x 30″ H. The web is difficult to gauge but my guess it’s maybe 3″ in length and height on the bottom corner of the opening. 15 minutes of looking and my guess is leaning towards that particularly theory being bogus. Of course now all you have to do is get the exact dimensions and see if a guy can get through the opening without disturbing something like the cobweb, my guess is it’s possible.

      Boy this detective stuff is easy, I should have been a cop, lolz.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/new-clues-in-jonbenet-ramsey-murder.html

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      • diwataman says:

        And you know what else? That cobweb may actually be evidence for the intruder theory because it looks like the window itself has some cobweb stuck to it hanging off the same area as if it tore the hole in the cobweb on the frame itself. They say the footage was taken hours after her body was discovered and if that window was opened recently it may have caused the break in the web from being opened. Alright, enough with the web, lol.

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  12. diwataman says:

    Does O’Mara still work for George Zimmerman? Six days left to file before the next hearing.

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    • howie says:

      He already filed the important motion I think. At least I thought so. They were ready then til Nelson derailed them. They will not be less prepared.

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    • howie says:

      To clarify. I might be wrong but the motion re: the federal CRS is in my opinion the most important. They are a creation of the 1964 CRA, and are not allowed to testify under penalty of law. Their fingerprints are all over this case. So if relevant and admitted they will all be forced to take the 5th. Or be guilty of a Federal Misdemeanor Crime. That would discombobulate Corey’s case. Unless she can win her lawsuit v Harvard law School. Now this is just me thinking and I am not 100% on it.

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    • jello333 says:

      Well, if I remember correctly, the reason MOM/West didn’t get their reply to Bernie’s response to the original motion in on time, is because Bernie only submitted the response about two days before the hearing. And so really, by the time MOM/West got it, they didn’t have time to get THEIR reply in before the deadline. And so, if that’s the case, I can easily imagine the guys being like, “Ok Bernie, you wanna play that game”… and handing in their new paperwork right at the deadline… thereby giving Bernie no time to respond.

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      • howie says:

        Do they need new paperwork?

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        • jello333 says:

          I’m not sure. I just know that DMan and a couple other guys have mentioned it, so…. The only stuff I can really think of is things they might wanna respond to that the judge said during the last hearing. And probably more stuff about B-b-b-benny Crump.

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      • diwataman says:

        As far as I understand O’Mara hasn’t filed anything at all since the last hearing. That’s what I’m talking about. Doesn’t he have like a hundred people to depose? Has he even gone to the FDLE? The point also is if he doesn’t file anything by the 48 hour deadline she won’t even bother looking at it for that hearing. I’m sure there’s plenty of things he could be filing with the court I just don’t see anything.

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        • howie says:

          Ahhh Dunno. But there are gonna be lot’s of battles in discovery by the defense. This is just the first salvo. I don’t think it is the end of it. The court is stalling and flailing. At least it appears to me.

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          • diwataman says:

            “The court is stalling and flailing”

            That’s funny because I see the opposite. The court is moving right along, it’s O’Mara that’s stalling and flailing and the court aint liking it.

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            • howie says:

              Well. I don’t claim to be a legal eagle or genius. You may be right. I just think that the way to take this down is by the formal defense investigation. Seems to me like the defense was ready to go but the court was not. So I don’t get the drift. They had all the motions on the table. Am I missing something?

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              • diwataman says:

                This judge ordered any motion to be filed 48 hours before the hearing. I don’t think she ever gave a reasoning as to why but it appears to me she wants to read the motions and any responses so she can have a decision made by the court date. That’s why we see her pushing through the motions so quickly with not allowing much room if at all for argument. O’Mara comes prepared to argue stuff, Bernie too, but she don’t want to hear that nonsense, put it in the motion, that’s it and move on. I’m telling y’all, these two different personalities between the judge and O’Mara are going to be the demise of George’s case, she just aint going to stand for it.

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                • jello333 says:

                  I think you’re right, that she pretty much has her mind made up before court even starts. But I don’t necessarily think she’s basing her decisions on careful readings of the motions and responses. Because if she was, it would be no contest: MOM/West’s motions are FAR beyond the quality and logic of argument than are Bernie’s. It really looks to me like this judge isn’t bothering to read the motions closely. I’ve asked this before, but I’ll repeat: Isn’t there some way of assuring that a judge is “well-prepared” for hearings? I mean yeah, I know any comment by a lawyer to a judge in that regard would not go over well, but still… what CAN be done?

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                  • howie says:

                    5th DCA in Daytona Beach. There are 2 judges there that don’t like it. That is where it will end up I think. But Dman has it pegged for the trial court. She can rule how she will but it will be reversed. The defense is in a big fight here with a biased and not impartial circuit.

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                • MJW says:

                  Not everything Judge Nelson’s done is to my liking, but I think she has good reason for wanting the motions filed 48 hours in advance of a hearing. It isn’t so she can have her decisions already made; it’s so she can research the issue, and especially so she can read the case law, prior to hearing oral arguments. Several times, she’s said she believes such-and-such a case controls, and in my opinion, she’s been correct. She seems much better prepared than Judge Lester was.

                  I thought we’d probably see some new motions today. If I see that “doxing” post at the top of the GZLegalCase.com home page many more times, I think I’ll scream.

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                  • rumpole2 says:

                    I hope you are correct about Judge Nelson.
                    A example of her performance that sticks in my mind is the INSTANT ruling on the motion to amend Bond conditions. I thought MOM put forward some good arguments.. and BDLR mumbled his way through a lot of irrelevant points, repeatedly staing he was not prepared…. he cited cases vaguely, not properly identified at all, in a very amateurish manner. Yet Nelson ruled in a flash. It seemed like a predetermined decision that she was not prepared to change on the basis of pleadings in court.

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        • jello333 says:

          Oh I know… you’re probably right. There’s probably a bunch of new stuff they could be filing. But my point was, if they DO file it, they just might decide to mess with Bernie’s head, and file it just a few hours before the deadline. If that happens, Bernie’s arms would be flapping around so much he’d literally take flight. By the way, all this talk about deadlines, and the way the woman rushes through things, and doesn’t seem to comprehend half of what’s being said… Am I the only one getting the impression this judge is just flat-out lazy?

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          • howie says:

            Well it is a process. To get to the “new stuff” they have to start with the “Old Stuff.” That is in the rules. There are specific rules in criminal law. Recall that Omara wanted a special judge for discovery. That is important. He knows it is going to be a lot of litigation. Nelson claimed she had plenty time to be prepared and rule. So far Nahhh. She is headed to Divorce Court.

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            • jello333 says:

              Yep Howie, I was just thinking that exact thing. How one of the first things MOM/West did was ask for a separate judge just to handle discovery motions. They KNEW it was gonna be a huge amount of work. But Nelson wanted to pretend she was superwoman or something, and could keep up. Well, so far at least, she’s proven she can NOT keep up.

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              • howie says:

                Or she was protecting her fellow judge Lester. They are a tight knit group in circuit court. They do not like to step on each others toes. There could be hostility due to the very public forced recusal by 5th DCA. That is just Human Nature. I have thought Lester might be in hot water over the Shellie perjury charge. Just a feeling. Seems like he was involved in it. That is not what they are there for. The Police are supposed to do that. At least that is what I am being taught. The judge is supposed to be an impartial trier.

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        • rumpole2 says:

          Nelson’s initial claim to be a “blank slate” wanting to base her rulings on what was presented sounded good… but I don’t see her actually doing that…. she is “filling in the gaps” for Bernie IMO.
          And by now I expect the Judge ruling on these matters to have got up to speed on the details of this case… “I know nothing” is past it’s use-by date.

          http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/of4S8nKHbS.jpg

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    • justfactsplz says:

      I know, talk about something that can raise your blood pressure. They need to get on it already.

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  13. diwataman says:

    My wife ran into a bit of a problem the other day with her cell phone which got me thinking about the phone that O’Mara is trying to get into. My wife ran out of internal memory and when I looked at it I saw there was very little storage room on the phone itself so I looked around and found the Huawei IDEOS U8150 only has 150MB of available internal memory. That is not very much at all and so my guess is that even if they are successful in getting in the phone’s internal memory it won’t have anything of any significance on it.

    http://pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/mobile/huawei-ideos-u8150

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    • howie says:

      What does it do when it runs out? Does it start over? Or does it shut down? I actually don’t think it will play a large role anyway. This case will sway on the big picture…Due Process…I think.

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    • jello333 says:

      No, that’s still a whole bunch of data, as long as it’s not video. But what I assume it does is starts overwriting when it needs to. First in, first out. Which should still be OK for our purposes… it’s the last hour or so that’s most important. Of course that wouldn’t help with stuff from several days earlier, if that turns out to be relevant to anything.

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  14. Robert Zimmerman JR says:

    I want to post my email xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for the Treepers who’ve requested it. Thanks for everything – all of you!

    Confirmed BOGUS !!
    Photobucket

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    • rumpole2 says:

      Hello Robert
      Jello333 will be pleased :)
      Nice to (almost) speak to you personally. I am disgusted by the nasty hateful personal comments posted about you and the rest of your family, and anybody associated with George. I am sure you realise such comments come from people who show themselves to be nasty and in most cases very stupid people.
      I wish you and your family well… most especially George of course.

      I admire your willingness to “engage in battle” with the hate-mongers on twitter etc. It is brave of you to post your email address. It is requested here with good intent, I know, but some of the more vile cretins admit to reading here too

      Again good luck.. if “justice prevails” I see a good outcome … eventually.

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    • sundance says:

      How are we to confirm this is Robert Jr. ?

      Folks, this looks bogus.

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      • rumpole2 says:

        Thanks Sundance.
        Fooled me. I guess I am so naive I didn’t think about traybots doing something like that.. but in hindsight it is just the sort of nasty underhand thing they would do.
        They are not interested in Truth or Justice, just a win by any means, with punishment and misery for GZ and anyone associated. Hard to understand see why that would give them pleasure, other than they are evil.
        My sentiments and message to Robert stand, and I hope he reads it here.

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        • jello333 says:

          Well, I sent him an email last night, and if it turns out to be some fraud instead of Robert…. then so be it. He/she of course now knows my real name thanks to my email return address, but other than that, I said nothing to cause any issues. It was just a heartfelt note about how I can empathize with him and his family, and how my own family is similar in some ways. And so yeah, if it’s NOT Bobby I wrote to, well… I hope whoever it is gets their jollies. Just like here at the Treehouse, I said NOTHING in my email that I wouldn’t say in public about George and his family. I’m proud and completely unembarrassed to be a supporter of the Zimmermans, and a supporter of the Treehouse. (And no, you all STILL haven’t converted me! ;) )

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          • sundance says:

            I don’t lump you into the Leftist Pool of pond scum. But this type of activity is exactly what -persons who proport themselves to follow the exact same ideological definitions you also use – engage in.

            If you don’t align with this type of activity, you ain’t a leftist prog. But you better pick a side quick, because in case you ain’t paying attention the bus is leaving.

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            • jello333 says:

              Thanks Sundance. I care a lot about you guys here, and the well-being of this site. Plus I now have some SERIOUS doubts about the decency of many of my fellow so-called libs. Neither of those things would I have believed possible just a few months ago. So I really wanna thank everyone here, and you, Puddy, and Sharon in particular for how well you’ve treated me.

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            • jello333 says:

              Oh, and I forgot to say… I’m beginning to think that my definition of “liberal” and the definition of many others who call themselves that aren’t even remotely the same. One thing I’ve always believed in is doing whatever I can to try to help people less fortunate than me, and to fight for equal justice and fairness for everyone. Also that violence (either on a personal level or state level) should be used as an absolute last resort. Just in general… DON’T be hateful and cold-hearted. That’s what I mean when I call myself a liberal or lefty or what have you. But then I see people who also claim to label themselves that way doing just the opposite. They show NO concern, NO compassion for people who are suffering… at least CERTAIN people. And they have no second thoughts about throwing around every vile, evil threat and wish for harm their little minds can conjure up. So if that’s what it means to be “liberal”, then no, I most definitely am NOT one of them!

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              • jello333 says:

                Heh, more stuff keeps popping into my mind…

                Now that I think about it, much of what I said about myself and how I define “liberal” probably applies just as well to most of you guys here. Having compassion for people less fortunate, trying to avoid violence if at all possible, etc…. I don’t think that automatically says much about a person’s “political” views. I think it says a LOT about a person’s moral foundation. So I think it may be more about the “process” where we might differ. People are suffering?… I might say we should do A, B, and C to help, while you might say we should do B, D, and E. But the main thing is, we ALL realize that the suffering is wrong.

                (Hope I’m making sense. I hate when I try to get all philosophical…)

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              • jordan2222 says:

                Labels mean nothing today. It would require hours for me to describe my belief system. I used to be able to simplify it and say I am a Constitutional Conservative, with Libertarian leanings but since the Constitution has been deemed irrelevant, I do not know what I am.. maybe a Truth Seeking voice crying out in the Wilderness.

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                • jello333 says:

                  Yep. Labels can be real useful as shorthand, but only if they’re simple and accurate. Otherwise, I’m starting to think they do more harm than good. I long ago stopped calling myself a Democrat. I guess I’m gonna have to drop ALL the labels now, though. Like you say, it’ll take much, much longer to describe ourselves in detail without using labels, but oh well…

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              • Sharon says:

                jello333, what you’re saying (and saying well) is that you had been told or led to believe that “conservatives” are not compassionate, are not innately fair, are not generous, do not care about those who are victimized….and you believed it. And now you are learning that is not so.

                Your comments affirm that the power of the liberal left depends on their ability to define their opposition. They’ve defined me as being selfish, hateful toward gays, hardhearted toward the poor and absolutely vicious toward anyone who disagrees with me about anything.

                As you have joined the conversation here in the Treehouse, I have never once had some gut revulsion of, “Oh, watch out, Sharon! He introduced himself as a liberal. You know what they’re like! So watch out!” I listened to what you said. Took it at face value. Saw that you took me at face value. And I go on that until I find out differently. If I observe that I’ve been deceived and I should not have taken someone at face value, then I change how I relate to them.

                What the left says about me as a woman is not accurate. What they say about me as lower income voter [under 40K gross-DH & I combined] is not accurate. What they say about me as a Christian and Bible-clinger is not accurate.

                Tell your friends! ;) Thanks for good conversation.

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                • jello333 says:

                  Yeah, you’re right Sharon. I’m wrong to make assumptions. But I’m not doing it so much anymore. And strangely enough, I said something pretty similar to what you said, in my addendum to that other comment of mine:

                  “Now that I think about it, much of what I said about myself and how I define ‘liberal’ probably applies just as well to most of you guys here. Having compassion for people less fortunate, trying to avoid violence if at all possible, etc…. I don’t think that automatically says much about a person’s ‘political’ views. I think it says a LOT about a person’s moral foundation. So I think it may be more about the ‘process’ where we might differ. People are suffering?… I might say we should do A, B, and C to help, while you might say we should do B, D, and E. But the main thing is, we ALL realize that the suffering is wrong.”

                  http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/12/26/12-26-george-zimmerman-case-open-discussion-thread/#comment-274414

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              • Chip Bennett says:

                Oh, and I forgot to say… I’m beginning to think that my definition of “liberal” and the definition of many others who call themselves that aren’t even remotely the same.

                In fact, the classical definitions of liberal and conservative have been largely transposed, with respect to personal liberty. It is the modern conservative ideology that believes in individual liberty (and the personal responsibility that comes along with it), and it is the modern liberal ideology that believes in totalitarian, state control of the masses from cradle to grave (in large part, due to the belief that the individual is not capable of bearing personal responsibility).

                (And libertarians mostly just want to smoke pot. ;) )

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                • rumpole2 says:

                  It’s mainly the Liberal Left Libertarians who smoke dope… us Right Wing Conservative Libertarians prefer Bourbon :D
                  Seriously… The label “Libertarian” is abused too. I answer to that mainly from the belief in “the individual” as the important unit. Foremost is the importance of individual RESPONSIBILITY as well as any “rights”
                  The extremes of Left V Right are the same.. at least equally bad.
                  I see myself as outside the left-right scale… slotting in along it on some issues.

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                • Libby says:

                  Up is down and down is up.
                  I am not old enough to recall when the air was clean and sex was dirty, but it seems that way sometimes.

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  15. Ron Callaway says:

    Jello I’m just now catching up on all the comments here this morning and saw your comments on MLK. History will show King as a great man, He was much the same person as Jesse Jackson
    just more educated and a better speaker. Violence followed him where ever he went. During
    lots of his marches men would expose themselves to onlookers like animals. Old people like me
    know what actually happened in those days.

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    • LittleLaughter says:

      Born in ’70, I can’t say that I know what actually happened in those days first hand; however, I did a lot of reading and researching MLK back in HS in the 80’s. I remember reading about the many affairs he had; he was a womanizer just like JFK. However, none of that is spoken of, lest you be called a racist. Personally, I lose ALL respect for a cheater. If I had respect before, it completely fades away.

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      • dmoseylou says:

        “Four Things About King”
        1. His name wasn’t Martin Luther.
        2. While working on his dissertation for his doctoral degree at Boston University, he heavily plagiarized from another author [...]
        3. King was under FBI surveillance for several years (until he died) due to his ties with communist organizations throughout the country.
        4. One of King’s closest friends, [...] talked about King’s obsession with white prostitutes.

        Yes, MLK definitely deserved his very own Federal Holiday. (sarc/)
        Four Things About King

        http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp

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    • dmoseylou says:

      Old people like me also well remember the “Real MLK.” His professional race-baiting proteges that followed in his foot-steps learned well from him.

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