12-21 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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80 Responses to 12-21 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. ejarra says:

    I found this article on guns with a racial tone. The Trayvon/Zimmeran case was mentioned.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/crystalwright/2012/12/21/gun-outrage-in-black-and-white-why-parents-matter-n1471419?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

    “But why don’t we hear the same pain or calls for tougher gun laws from the mainstream press when Trayvon Martin was killed? Instead, the media immediately turned it into a racially motivated killing of a black boy by a white man yet showed no horror over the alarming rate of young black men who are both perpetrators and victims of homicide”

    • howie says:

      Social Justice. Remember when we were unaware of sizzurp and all the other stuff? We are even more unaware of Social Justice.

      • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

        And the lyrics of NO_LIMIT_GANGSTA

        • howie says:

          I know. This research has been eye opening. I never knew things had gotten so out of control. I had to quit watching newz reports. Tokyo Katie and Axis Soledad are far gone. I think the newz is a sabotage operation against the old america I grew up in. Psy Ops. The evidence is clear.

  2. Chip Bennett says:

    But why don’t we hear the same pain or calls for tougher gun laws from the mainstream press when Trayvon Martin was killed?

    That’s not actually true. We did hear such calls: calls for stricter gun control, and calls to eliminate stand-your-ground laws.

  3. diwataman says:

    I wonder if O’Molases is working on the case today?

    • justfactsplz says:

      I have been wondering the same thing. Just because it is the holidays doesn’t mean they have time to spare to prepare their case. There is so much left to do and so little time. A lot of time has been wasted waiting for discovery which they still don’t have all of.

  4. tara says:

    On WGN’s morning new there was some Trademark-related story but I don’t know what it was about because I had the sound muted. Are Sybrina and Tracy on the road again? Wastebaskets in hand?

    • tara says:

      After doing some searches I’ve concluded that it was simply about Chris Smith’s proposed legislation. One news article caught my eye because it contains this paragraph:

      “”They’ve (Trayvon Martin’s family) always maintained that it is asinine that you can pursue, be the aggressor, and then shoot and kill somebody and then say that you were standing your ground, to that end, they welcome legislation to address these issues,” said Martin family attorney Ben Crump.

      And we’ve always maintained that it’s asinine for a visitor in a condo community to confront, knock down, and start beating a resident of that community simply because the resident was keeping a watchful eye on his and his neighbors’ homes ….

      • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

        I would consider it asinine for the media to pretend the civil lawyer for the parents of the possibly victim, possibly perpetrator is some sort of prosecutor.
        (also like what you said tara)

  5. Sha says:

    Hope you guys don’t mind if I share a few quotes with you I found.

    You never know how strong you are….
    until being strong is the only choice you have.

    Which hurts the most:
    saying something and wishing you had not, or saying nothing and wishing you had ?

    When the world says , ” Give up ” hope whispers, ” Try it one more time ” .

    Hope you like them . :D

  6. RockyMtnMama says:

    So when do we get to hear the original DD interview? *sigh* If the world is going to end today, I’d at least like to satisfy my curiousity about it first. :)

    • Sha says:

      RMM : I sure hope it’s not one of those questions we have to wait to ask when we get on the other side ……. but at the rate the prosecution is releasing things I think it is.

  7. Ugh says:

    Can’t share the link, but there is an article about how the human hand may have evolved for fighting. For some reason the GZ / TM situation comes to mind.

    • John Denney says:

      Some time after the Columbine shooting, the Denver Post published a pdf containing images of many papers that were the killers, including a diary. The diary had an entry about being forced to attend an anger management class where it was taught that one must “be nice”. The diary was asked, “why should we be nice? Evolution teaches that we got here by f*ing and fighting, so why stop now?”
      Later in the diary, he explained the motivation for the massacre – too many useless people were consuming too much resource, and the herd needed to be culled. The high school was to be just a start. Religious people were high on the list of the useless. Eliminating those who had teased them would demonstrate who was REALLY more advanced; the revenge would be sweet.

      Such is the fruit of promoting evolution and suppressing the knowledge of God.

      • John Galt says:

        “Such is the fruit of promoting evolution and suppressing the knowledge of God.”

        Nearly a billion people have been slaughtered because of religion.

        • John Denney says:

          You must be a member of the party of the indiscriminate, since you make no distinction between Muslim terrorists, the Amish, and Aztec priests who ripped the hearts from thousands of living victims in a single day.

          • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

            I had always been told that ripping the hearts from a person while they were still alive was the highest form of flattery and most advanced form of civilization (I just thought they were barbarians who viciously subdued their neighbors through fear and terror and that is why they were so easy to overthrow Since few of the conquerted tribes had much allegiance to a dominant group that was so extremely violent).

        • +1 John

          A lot of nutjobs were raised in a religion. No religion can counter mental illness.

    • I read that article. I could state a theory that the human hand evolved to be able to open bottles of beet and it would be just as correct as them. Thumbs allowed us to use tools and IMO that was a lot more important than fighting.

  8. See multiple twitter comments under search of these two words: “zimmerman” and “school”

    example:

    KT‏@kinetictheorist

    “@michaelianblack: Oh cool, George Zimmerman is going to be protecting my kids in school.” No hoodie rule STRICTLY enforced

    • howie says:

      There you have it. Social Justice. Till they are staring down the barrel of a madman pooper who did not get the message. Then….where’s George???? But it would do no good to even try to penetrate the numbskull.

  9. Cupcake says:

    Anyone happen to see “Year with Katie Couric” on ABC Thursday night? When she got to the segment “Newsmakers of 2012″ I cringed and was hoping that GZ would not be one of those featured. Well, WRONG. Featured right along side the Denver Batman movie killer was George Zimmerman. As per usual, images of the Hollister t-shirt 13-year-old Trayvon photo was flashed across the screen followed by the the 250-lb. Zimmerman “mugshot” photo. Then video of Sybrina crying at the Julison press conference and video of hoddie-wearing protesters.

    Katie, who we all know is an objective journalist who includes all the facts, pontificates:
    “Initially Zimmerman was not even charged with a crime. Florida stand your ground law allows any citizen to use deadly force when he/she reasonably feels threatened. Trayvon Martin’s family says the teenager armed with a soda and a bag of candy presents no reasonable threat, and the law should protect such innocent people from being gunned down.”

    Not surprised: stating an “innocent” person was “gunned down”. Surprised: A soda? Don’t think I’ve ever heard it reported that he was carrying a soda.

    Not one word about “self-defense” or that Zimmerman was assaulted and injured. Even almost a year later with all the evidence that has come out, this was covered just as the story was covered back in the early days by acting like TM was shot for no reason as he was walking down the street.

    How is this not slander by deliberate omission of facts??

    • brutalhonesty says:

      we dont call it slantinel for nothin’.
      “Last month, Zimmerman announced plans to ramp-up fund-raising, even offering autographed thank you cards for donors.”

      • brutalhonesty says:

        they are so pissed that the zimmermans yet again outclassed the martins. the martins havent even said thank you, and in fact throw tantrums (“i hope you havent forgot about my son, i didnt” presser with crump before the gag hearing, in the unveiling of changefortrayvon.com which is conveniently back up after a suspended page message the other day, yet again, a response to it being posted here that it was down, thats twice).

  10. rumpole2 says:

    The diseased rats hiding in shame in the Justice Quest sewer have little to post about….but that doesn’t stop them. :D

    It really is a sewer there.. I have posted examples of the potty-mouthed owner’s fascination with toilets and faeces …. Her cretinous pets follow her lead….

    Teeto
    Oh, I think I would want GZ to go through the entire trial without knowing what is on the jurors’ minds – the unknown is so much more stressing – and then, to have them all sit in hoodies as O’Smeara does his closing would be fantastic. Of course, there would be a mistrial called for that – but we can dream.

    I never get picked for jury duty – when you work for the prosecution side – the defense wants no part of you. LOL

    zitinha33
    Me too…want his undies to have shit stains everyday…and for the final act: when the cuffs get put on for the final time…as he walks away…the explosive diarhea starts to make trails on the floor (sorry for the peeps that have to clean it up)…that’s my wish.

    4Justice
    Oh my goodness!!! YOU are on a roll!!

    zitinha33
    Oh shoot…I forgot, I want shellie to have to scrub those undies manually…the shit is gonna be so engrained in the cotton!! She’s not going to jail…but scrubbing his undies…good enough for now!!

    • rooferx says:

      Talk about hate…….These people are scum….bottom feeders….sick…twisted…..and they think they are smart….Hahaha

      • maggiemoowho says:

        People like that are hateful and immature. They are unstable and contribute nothing to society. Not sure how or what made them so hateful, but maybe after the Gene research is finished on Adam Lanza (sandy hook shooter) we will get some answers.

  11. LetJusticePrevail says:

    Now this is an interesting post found at HP… Seems like somebody wants to get a chance to have an up close encounter with George, or is encouraging others to do so:

    ———————————————————————————————————–

    HUFFPOST SUPER USER
    Tre Anthony
    63 Fans Become a fan
    38 minutes ago ( 5:10 PM)
    A security company has filed suit against murder suspect George Zimmerman, his wife and attorney, Mark O’Mara, accusing them of failing to pay $27,000 for bodyguards. Associated Investigative Services filed suit in state circuit court in Orange County.

    It alleges it’s due the money for protecting Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie. O’Mara has said for months that a legal defense fund fed by Internet PayPal donations is running low. Last month, Zimmerman announced plans to ramp-up fund-raising, writing in a blog post that he would now start sending autographed thank you cards to donors. It’s not clear if that effort, along with a revamped and updated webpage, has boosted giving.

    So far, conned donors have contributed an estimated $340,000 to Zimmerman.

    Details about the lawsuit against Zimmerman, his wife and O’Mara can be found at this link:
    http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=8337253

    Lawsuits filed in court must list the last known address of each party, so I have sent a couple folks down to the courthouse in Orange County to track that information down. And once they obtain it, it will be circulated as a matter of public record.

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Comments?

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      This isn’t the first time THAT person has made mention of where George or Shellie could be staying. And BDLR *doubts* that George has any real concerns about his safety?

    • I think the Sanford police should be contacted. They have a duty to protect ALL of their citizens.

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        Not much info to give them. This character claims to be a 3rd yr law student (something I seriously doubt) but could be anybody, anywhere. It might just be something that the defense should be made aware of, since it lacks specificity.

  12. Ugh says:

    Did Shellie lose her CCW?

  13. ottawa925 says:

    It seems the goofs over at the Trayvon camp are giddy as all get out cause they have discovered gravity. And that the blood on George’s head would have been effected by gravity, and that the blood should not have dripped down along to the ear area. Boy, they are a bright bunch aren’t they? However, blood experts will be glad to explain how blood gets in all kinds of places you wouldn’t think it would get, or travel in ways that different from other liquids. Cause each liquid has it’s own componets. THE SURFACE it is on also can contribute to how a liquid would travel. Blood, almost has a greasy feel fresh, however, it begins to dry very quickly, unlike water, and blood as it dries can begin to direct fresh blood in another direction. That’s just off the top of my pointed head. Apparently, the dim bulbs over at Trayvon’s camp think blood should just drip straight down and nowhere else. I’m sure some did, however, in the rain, in the dark, how to do find the exact spot?

    • ottawa925 says:

      Man gravity is working hard to pull those raindrops down … but they just won’t drop … hmmmm … wonder why …..

    • raiikun says:

      That’s all they do, they take evidence out of context and ignore the logical explanations that the evidence in context provides.

      The blood for instance, in the reenactment, you see Singleton point out the left side of George’s head and remark how much the swelling had gone down. You can also see some of the bruising on George’s right temple.

      Thus we have indication that George’s head was turned to the sides at some point while he was trying to escape Trayvon’s assault on him, and the sides of his head got banged against the ground in the process.

      And the blood flow is ABSOLUTELY consistent with that.

      • ottawa925 says:

        It’s nice tho that they did a refresh on gravity. With cartoons no less. That’s to get it down to the level of the dimwits that weren’t aware of gravity and how it works. However, they neglected to discuss how any thing or object has found a way, or a way has been developed to go against gravity. I wonder if they can explain why birds don’t fall from the sky, unless they are dying or dead. Yeah … they just kinda fly around in the sky and just thumb their lil beaks at gravity. But do the challenged ones know why? I’ll bet only a couple amongst them truly knows. (sigh)

      • justfactsplz says:

        George turned his head to look at the witness as he was calling for him to help him and the guy just said he would call 911.

    • James F says:

      Let’s see… who should we rely on for analysis of the blood flow? Should we trust a psychotic, dimwitted, convicted felon, armchair “forensic expert” like LamePapa or a real forensic scientist like Dr. Larry Kobilinsky, who concluded that the blood flow proves Zimmerman was lying in a horizontal position, not vertical, and moving his head around?

      What about that photo showing Zimmerman’s bloodied head shortly after the shooting? “Blood is going to move in the direction that gravity pulls it in,” Kobilinsky said. “That will help explain the position of Zimmerman’s body and head after the trauma took place.”

      The track of blood in the photo suggests that Zimmerman was not vertical when the bleeding occurred, Kobilinsky said. “He had been moving, apparently. But vertical, no.”

      http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/04/george-zimmerman-how-crucial-is-trayvon-martins-autopsy.html

      • rumpole2 says:

        Should we trust a psychotic, dimwitted, convicted felon, armchair “forensic expert” like LamePapa

        He is a MESS isn’t he…..there are others in the Trayvon Zone.
        I still know a lot of the “old school” JQ posters.. and they are increasingly expressing their disapproval of what goes on in the Trayvon Zone. The once-proud (at least OK) JQ has “gone to the dogs” (Trixiemay/Bigboithedog) and the Trayvon Zone cretins are already infesting the rest of the place….. that can only get worse when the Zimmerman case ends and the cretins start on some other case in earnest.

        • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

          You mean they arent just ardent concerned citizens in favor of blind justice?

          • rumpole2 says:

            You’d think so from the name… justice…… quest….. LOL

            The place where they PRAY that accused people (even 17 year olds) will be locked up BEFORE any trial… and brutalised, raped (in as painful and violent fashion as possible)… and then be MURDERED.
            Done by their guys ( the most vile in max security), who they regard as being the true hope for “justice”

            Sounds more like “Lynchin’ Quest ” to me.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Isn’t it just simpler to note that George leaned over the deceased right after he got up, which completely explains why blood running down the back of his head would then run forward?

  14. anne says:

    I look forward too experts. I enjoy forensics. George is on his back, I would expect too see mushed blood, splotches. How much space could there be between his cuts and wet side walk. I’m at a loss as to comparing rain and web, too scalp and blood. I need matter to be like. The gravity thing expert I’m still googlin. The forensics does it for me, not witness test.

    • ottawa925 says:

      a web would be much like the hairs on one’s head, like on George’s head. Blood can cling to hair, much like water clings to a web, or even tips of a leaf, or a branch. I’m not saying it did, I was just demonstrating that the Trayvon knotheads strict theory of gravity is not all there is to consider. No doubt when he was looking straight up at Trayvon, the blood was being absorbed by the ground and if it was raining at the time, it was being diluted into the ground. However, if he turned his head from side to side as he was being punched, not to forget the force of a punch would send one’s head to the side to some degree, then the blood would follow the flow as suggested by the pics that they put up there. Whose gonna lay there looking straight up and never move their head from side to side as someone is punching you? They better going back to the drawing board.

    • raiikun says:

      And what’s interesting is any forensics expert that has spoken out so far has agreed the forensics are consistent with George’s claim of self defense.

      And an interesting thing about when blood is flowing that freely, even if there were splotches/smearing, if blood continues to flow, it could cover that up.

      • Liberals USED to be the Optimistic Ones says:

        Also interesting is the media’s total disregard of any forensics work done in this case

  15. justfactsplz says:

    George, don’t let this lawsuit from the security company get to you. It is nothing compared to your lawsuits that you are entitled to. Chin up and may you be with family for a blessed Christmas.

  16. RockyMtnMama says:

    George and Shellie may not even be legitimate defendants in the lawsuit. The OS article says–and yes, we all know how bad the legal reporting done by the OS is–that AIS was hired by O’Mara. If George and Shellie were not parties to the signed contract for services, then I think they will get kicked out the lawsuit pretty quickly. But IANAL, so that’s just my lay person understanding of contract law.

    • kathyca says:

      If the contract is with O’Mara alone, George and Shellie would have been intended third-party beneficiaries of the contract and would have an interest in the outcome of the case that would justify their being names as defendants. That could make them “necessary” or maybe even “indispensible” parties to the lawsuit- depending on the circumstances. Both of which are terms of art with specific meaning under the Rules and the case law.So it’s possible that they are legitimate defendants without necessarily being actually or potentially liable themselves.

      John Galt?

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