Zimmerman Day #7 of “The Revealing”… GZ Site Drops More Motions Prior to Dec. 11th Hearing

In the interests of time I’m going to drop links to the motions so they can be reviewed and discussed.    GZLegalDefense.COM has them up (copied here)

Notice of Hearing

Defendants Motion for additional deposition

Motion to Compel Production of Evidence From Third Party

Motion to Compel additional Discovery

Motion to Compel Voice Identification

Motion to Modify Conditions of Release

Motion for Clarification Order Setting Bail

Amended Demand for FBI Discovery

Amended Demand for Specific Discovery relating to DOJ Community Relations Service

Additionally, anyone who has either a link, or a video of the “In Session” TV show from this morning with O’Mara / West and Crump please drop that link too.  It sounds like Benjamin Crump dug himself a sizeable hole this morning.     Thanks.

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  1. See page 71 of Defendant’s Motion to Modify Conditions of Release.

    “…..You guys fuc–d us up the a$$….”


  2. diwataman says:

    Just reading through Santiago’s Deposition in the Motion to Modify Conditions of Release. Just now got to this part. They were discussing charging W20 of all people, W11′s boyfriend, for not going out to help. Shouldn’t you have to charge all the people who called 911 and did nothing to help? And all of their roommates listening as well? Regardless, the ASA said no to charging him.

    • Don’t forget, there was an 8-year old girl who was looking out the window and saw “everything.” It was one of the units with a screened porch.

    • Yes, the residents at the Retreat at Twin Lakes did nothing to help, just like

    • Chip Bennett says:

      They were discussing charging W20 of all people, W11′s boyfriend, for not going out to help.

      First, where are private citizens legally obligated to intervene in a felony in commission?

      Second, let us consider the sheer absurdity of even considering charging a witness for not intervening when part of the assertions against Zimmerman is that none of this would have happened if he had just stayed in his car.

      • ksincfl says:

        Of course there is no law requiring citizens to act but what if it wasn’t a 17-year-old young man who may or may not have been up to no good. What if it was a guy walking around with the intent on raping, pillaging, thieving and Zimmerman stayed in his car? True it wasn’t his job to protect the community but what if the guy he thought was suspicious was genuinely up to no good and he DIDN’T get out? And your loved one became a victim? People forget that many Good Samaritans end up dead. It was (stupid/heroic/foolish……) to get involved/get out of his car….but NOT illegal.

        • Chip Bennett says:

          It was (stupid/heroic/foolish……) to get involved/get out of his car….but NOT illegal.

          On the latter point, we’re in complete agreement. Zimmerman was under no legal or ethical obligation to stay in his car, and to assert otherwise is to subject us to a Safari Park society.

          I don’t think it was either stupid or foolish, and I doubt Zimmerman thought it was heroic. He was just doing what any responsible person would do.

          But the State basically created an intervention catch-22: damned if you do (Zimmerman), and damned if you don’t (neighbor witnesses).

      • dizzymissl says:

        Good thinking Chip. WTH are they thinking????? Has anyone, in the history of the world, been charged with “failure to intervene”?

      • LetJusticePrevail says:

        @ Chip:

        “Second, let us consider the sheer absurdity of even considering charging a witness for not intervening when part of the assertions against Zimmerman is that none of this would have happened if he had just stayed in his car.”


        Yes, isn’t there something deeply ironic about a suggestion to charge a witness for *not* helping, but then centering an entire prosecution on the fact that George got out of his car?

  3. Lynn says:

    I like the fact that O’Mara states that because of new evidence, it appears that George is not guilty of these charges. Go MOM!!!

    • John Galt says:

      The best part about it is that he explained it in detail, with exhibits, to the judge. I predict that BDLR will respond with some non-specific mumbo jumbo about inconsistent statements made by Z.

      • howie says:

        To save his career he should resign and turn states evidence. Or become a CI. Otherwise he will end up with Corey suing Harvard Law School. Which to me is the only funny thing about this railroad job. And that is funny. You knew she was toast when ya heard that.

  4. Sal Paradise says:

    Can’t wait to watch this unravel…..

  5. Lynn says:

    After reading all of the motions, I’m feeling….well, rather giddy!

  6. minor4 says:

    O’Mara just said on InSession that the circumstances around DD’s interview and recording to lead to her being excluded as a witness. This is what I thought was the purpose of the recent demands for discovery and motions to compel.

    • minor4 says:

      Crump just now “killed unarmed child in cold blood”

    • Lynn says:

      Excluded? The damage by Dee Dee has been done. I want to see her on the witness stand to explain in her own words. (Oh, geez, what am I saying?)

      • myopiafree says:

        DeeDee is 18 years old. There is NO WAY she can lie – cause a $1,000,000 expense – and just “walk away” from these “smoking ruins”. If we allow this to happen, there will be a FUTURE CoreFong – yet again. Lying witnesses and Race-Baiters (like Crump) are creating this massive EXPENSIVE problem.

        • John Galt says:

          “There is NO WAY she can lie – cause a $1,000,000 expense – and just “walk away” from these “smoking ruins”.

          What if Dee Dee and Scheme Team all plead the 5th and the state does not offer immunity?

          • minor4 says:

            That’s what I was afraid of — that DD will plead 5th during deposition to avoid perjury. That’s one way to get the evidence excluded.

            • John Galt says:

              Interesting battle: defense trying to compel state to give DD immunity so that they can force her to testify against her handlers.

            • howie says:

              That would be great. Zim is free and there is no 5th in Civil Action unless they all really want to go to jail. The pressure on Scott would be immense. He is up for election.

      • John Galt says:

        Hopefully there will be a televised hearing on the motion to exclude.

    • diwataman says:

      That’s odd. Those were his exact words? “the circumstances around DD’s interview and recording”? Oh, my.

    • ksincfl says:

      I didn’t see the interview but suspect MOM is ref to the circumstances (Crump bias & influence) ruin her [DD] credibility and he’s not ref to any legal reasoning preventing her from being a State witness. I HOPE they put her on. Any first year lawyer could shred her on cross. (BTW I’m sorry she lost her friend but its extremely likely she fell victim to family/scheme team pressure to manipulate the system for financial gain)

      • stringplayer55 says:

        ” (BTW I’m sorry she lost her friend but its extremely likely she fell victim to family/scheme team pressure to manipulate the system for financial gain)”

        {snark on}
        No! Say it ain’t so! Manipulating the system for financial gain? Couldn’t be. No one would do that, would they?
        {/snark off}

  7. eastern2western says:

    after reading some of the transcripts, de la rionda is obviously got no where to go except for fucking around with the officer’s memories. In the part about the consensus of not arresting zimmerman, the officer told de la rionda multiple times of the exact same answer, but that fool kept asking him if he was sure. One quote from the officer was like yeah, I am fucken sure and I told you three times already. This case is pure bs.

    • boutis says:

      Who is Sgt Randal Smith? He apparently went along in the Sanford PD meetings for about two and half weeks that there was no there THERE for a charge against Zimmerman and then at the last meeting said Zimmerman’s injuries were not consistent with his statements. Everyone else at the meeting gave him a look (I have to guess it was are you %@$*ing kidding me). Serino didn’t talk much at the meetings. Then boom the next day a charge was filed. Who is Smith?

      • jello333 says:

        Yeah, I wanna know about him too. I think we’re all starting to get a handle on Serino, and know that part of his problem was that he was pressured by other (black) cops to charge George. But this Smith guy, I know nothing about. I don’t what his deal is. He’s up to no good or something. ;)

    • RockyMtnMama says:

      e2w, speaking as someone who has been deposed before (a civil case), I can say that BDLR is a crappy lawyer in that regard. He is terrible at questioning people: he doesn’t listen or understand their responses, tries to put words in their mouths, and essentially “testifies” himself during some of the questions. A first year law student could probably have done a better job than he did.

    • ksincfl says:

      Exactly. Also explains (in part) why Crump so motivated to attack the Sanford PD.

  8. rumpole2 says:

    You better watch out….
    You better not cry….
    Better not pout…..
    I’m telling you why…..
    Santa Claus West is comin’ to town

  9. The higher-up Police Officers had several meetings with State Investigator Jim Carter. The consensus was they didn’t have enough to bring charges. After about 10 meetings, Sgt Randy Smith Spoke up and said he didn’t think George Zimmerman’s injuries were consistent with the fight as described. Jim Carter continued to maintain there was not enough evidence to being charges. When he heard that night patrol officer Chris Serino sent the charges through, over to the state, he was upset and said the Sanford PD just “fuc–d us ‘the state prosecution office’ up the a$$.”

    He didn’t like that his office was handed this turkey of a case.

    See page 71 of Defendant’s Motion to Modify Conditions of Release.

    “…..You guys fuc–d us up the a$$….”


    • John Galt says:

      “He didn’t like that his office was handed this turkey of a case.”

      Ah, ok. I get it now. Thanks.

    • Sharon says:

      Seeing the color photo of George’s injuries certainly puts a whole different light on the officers’ resistance to filing the charges.

      They SAW him….and then they were put under significant, significant pressure to sign their names to paperwork saying he was not under immediate threat and it was not necessary for him to stand his ground (having screamed for help and those hearing that scream didn’t help him) and they are expected to say that he really had no reason to fear for his life.

      I find it difficult to believe that the state thought having these officers on the stand could help their case. LEOs who’ve been LEOs for awhile can easily tell the difference between those who are just saying their lives were threatened and those whose lives really were threatened.

      I haven’t read the documents yet. Just my thoughts as I read the thread.

      • ksincfl says:

        That Corey & Bernie had seen this photo and still charged is scary stuff IMO. The law doesn’t “require” bonafide injury for self defense, ONLY that the shooter “believe” his/her life was in danger. Be afraid. Be very afraid people

        • Chip Bennett says:

          That Corey & Bernie had seen this photo and still charged is scary stuff IMO. The law doesn’t “require” bonafide injury for self defense, ONLY that the shooter “believe” his/her life was in danger. Be afraid. Be very afraid people

          Actually, I would just say: don’t be so naively trusting of law enforcement and the justice system, as Zimmerman was.

          Had he “lawyered up” immediately, he wouldn’t have faced one bit of any of this. Any halfway competent lawyer would have gotten him an immediate immunity hearing, based on the evidence, and would have been present to protect Zimmerman’s rights during the investigation and police questioning/interrogation.

          So, lesson learned. Follow Massad Ayoob’s advice:

  10. eastern2western says:


  11. murderbythebook says:

    Anyone watching IS today. Mom and West are being interviewed and doing a very good job. Good show for a change. It has been mostly about this case and also the civil suit. Vinnie looks weird. I haven’t seen him in a long time. He just doesn’t look the same. His hair is gray and sticks out all over the place. I wonder if the old biddy Trayvonites will still think he is so handsome.

  12. “Additionally, anyone who has either a link, or a video of the “In Session” TV show from this morning with O’Mara / West and Crump please drop that link too. It sounds like Benjamin Crump dug himself a sizeable hole this morning. Thanks.”

    I have no doubt he did. And yes, someone please put up the videos.

    • John Galt says:

      Sounds like he dug a hole for Tracy also by saying that Tracy kept calling the girl. Team Z have or no doubt will obtain and analyze Dee Dee and Tracy phone records and ask interesting deposition questions. Another issue will be whether or not that is consistent with what Tracy told the cops about his conversation(s) with Dee Dee.

      • minor4 says:

        I didnt hear him say that about Tracy, but I had to mute the tv for a few. I did hear Crump sound like a complete imbecile though and wonder how he got through law school and passed the bar.

  13. murderbythebook says:

    The show is still going on.

  14. diwataman says:

    Motion to Compel Additional Discovery
    Phone warrants and subpoenas

    March 27 T-Mobile records and location data 786-312-****
    May 1 Google 786-312-****
    May 14 T-Mobile reactivate 786-312-****

    Still don’t know about April 20th

    DeeDe’s number was 786-419

    • John Galt says:

      Sounds like they are trying to strangle information out of the state regarding Trayvon’s phone.

      • diwataman says:

        Now that I know it was Trayvon’s phone for the Google one my concerns is why they still were not able to get into the phone. Google should have been able to provide them the Log In and Password needed to get passed the Pattern Lock. I don’t know what went wrong, this really should not be difficult.

        • howie says:

          Obama is appointing the top Googler to something, I think.

        • waltherppk says:

          The ping logs for February 26, 2012 could have been gotten for the phone simply by use of the 911 caller ID information when the phone was recharged and used by the SPD investigator to make a 911 call to ID the phone number. The exact call time and the associated phone number was enough information for T-Mobile to match a MAC address and SIM card account and billing information to that phone found at the scene. By law any real time request made by a law enforcement agency for all particulars about a phone having been used to make a 911 call (even a test call made by the police themselves) requires no subpoena but by law the service provider must supply information about the phone immediately IIRC within 20 minutes the service provider must supply the GPS ping location for the phone. The point important to being understood is that in order to supply the ping location for the phone in response to a 911 related immediate compliance request, the service provider also necessarily made identification of the MAC address and SIM card and account data as would be needed for displaying the entire ping log history on that phone at any earlier date also such as for February 26, 2012. Indeed all the GPS information for that previous date was probably showing on the same screen as would be available to any T-Mobile supervisor who would be supplying a ping location for the 911 call as being requested by the SPD itself for the most recent call. T-Mobile would likely require a court order for providing the history of the ping logs for earlier calls, but the point is there is no mystery to be resolved first about the phone itself, nor is it even really necessary that the phone even be available any further with regards to any further testing related to the ping logs. There is no necessity of getting into the phone for the ping logs to be obtained. All that was needed for that task was gotten by the caller ID check done by the 911 “test call” made by SPD and followed up by a call to T-Mobile requesting a GPS location for that calling phone having phone number which was provided to T-Mobile…if indeed T-Mobile does not itself track all 911 calls independently. After that test call by SPD and a request for GPS location from T-Mobile for the phone having just made the 911 call, the MAC address and SIM card association was necessarily made with the “evidence phone” so all that is needed for other GPS history and ping logs is a court order to T-Mobile to produce those ping logs. There is no forensic mystery to resolve about this, it is strictly a clerical records request. A forensics expert is not even really required :D

          • diwataman says:

            I’m talking about getting into the internal memory, which apparently they still have not been able to do.


            • waltherppk says:

              While the contents of the phone may be of interest as a broader fishing expedition the location data involving the GPS from the ping logs for the phone on February 26, 2012 are what is most relevant and material evidence. That does not rule out that other data of value may be stored in the phone itself, but the ping logs are really the priority for reason of the GPS location data showing precisely where callers were located at precisely to the second exact times. That location data will likely reveal the actual movements of the phone users which have been a matter of controversy and speculation, and should end such speculation and controversy by providing good location information.

              • diwataman says:

                I thought all the ping logs would show is which tower, in latitude and longitude, that particular phone is pinging off of along of course with the basic data; date, time, length of call, the number received/called.

                • waltherppk says:

                  If you covered the earth with paper plates and put the exact GPS location on each plate and hid the evidence phone under one of the plates the ping logs would tell you under which plate the phone is located. The ping logs periodically update on location change and on connection and disconnection of calls. They may show the exact movements of the phone users as they walked and talked on those phones.

                  • diwataman says:

                    I’ve read quite the contrary. GPS is that good but cell phone tower ping data? I would think the phone would have to have some sort of GPS capability enabled along with something to keep track like Google Latitude but that doesn’t keep history that I’m aware of.



                  • waltherppk says:

                    For this particular GPS enabled model of phone those references are irrelevant. The ping logs for this phone will have highly exacting precision for the location of the actual phone no matter what tower it is pinging, it is reported GPS (satellite location data) for the phone that is being ping logged from the GPS receiver in the phone.

                  • diwataman says:

                    I’m not sure what you mean by “For this particular GPS enabled model of phone”. I would think nearly all smart phones have GPS capability but as far as I understand you have to enable it for tracking. I have no idea if his phone was enabled. Even so I have not read anywhere that cell tower data will then store the GPS data if it did happen to be enabled.

                  • waltherppk says:

                    You are confusing the user app for the GPS with the use of the GPS receiver location data as a ping response. A person calling 911 expects help to be able to locate them not to be able to locate the cell phone tower nearest to them and hope for the best. Of course the GPS equipped phone pings its actual GPS location.

                • waltherppk says:

                  Heck I know I posted months ago a review article where a fellow went on a ride on a scooter carrying the exact model phone and the accuracy for the GPS track was exceptional and could be overlay viewed precisely on a street map showing the path of the scooter during the GPS test ride. The same GPS data is gotten by the ping logs.

    • waltherppk says:

      Need a little help bending the spoon on those ping logs ? At your service below, in another post :D And while on the subject of spoonbending ..here’s a thought…and if you don’t understand ..ask a little baldheaded kid that goes by the nic of rumpole2 :D

      • rumpole2 says:


        Oh my God…. how did I get tangled up in the Matrix?

        On line stuff is a little bit like a bizzare movie fantasy scene at times…… but I relate more to The Twilight (Trayvon) Zone

        • waltherppk says:

          There is more than one way to skin a cat ……but the cat isn’t really there……because my dog ate the cat :D

          • waltherppk says:


              • waltherppk says:

                Got your attention huh . The entire “locked phone” nonsense is a total red herring WRT to obtaining the ping logs for the “evidence phone” found near the deceased. The ping logs could be gotten simply based on the successful 911 call made using that phone when the SPD investigator made that 911 call which was caller ID’d by the SPD 911 call center. Having the phone number associated with that phone from the 911 caller ID and the exact time for that 911 caller ID…….the ping log for that call and for other calls associated with that same phone on February 26, 2012 also could be gotten by court order…..whether the phone is locked or stays locked forever or not is entirely irrelevant to the ping logs.

                • rumpole2 says:

                  I gotcha early on. I agree. There would have been no trouble getting ping logs for the phone at the scene… (or any other phone ultimately). Unless we really are in the Twilight zone, those records surely were obtained? OR…. State was derelict in its duty from the outset.
                  The frustration is not knowing IF they were obtained and where they are now? Has BDLR got them? Has MOM got them?

                  • waltherppk says:

                    I think they got those ping logs in March and suppressed the evidence because it exonerates GZ.

                  • rumpole2 says:

                    WHAT is your Objectib Ebidents that BDLR got them in March? That was before PCA, while things were still heading to a GJ….. ??

                  • John VI says:

                    One point. Those ping logs will only show where the phone was up to the point the battery died. That may or may not blow up Crumps DD story MORE, given they will know exactly where the last ping log location for the phone was, and nothing more. This is the same reason that conspiracy websites tell you you have to remove the battery from your phone if you want to eliminate the possibility of being tracked by it, not just “turn it off”

                  • jello333 says:

                    I think MOM might already have them…. may have had them for a long time now. Wanting to keep it quiet till the right time. And then planning to pull them out and say BAM! at Crump’s or the Dee Dee’s or one of the other upcoming depositions.

                • James F says:

                  Jackson stated a PI discovered DeeDee through Martin’s phone records. Any competent PI would have had their client obtain Ping log data as well.

      • rumpole2 says:

        Scheme Team – Crime of the Century

        Now they’re planning the crime of the century
        Well what will it be?
        Read all about their schemes and adventuring
        It’s well worth a fee
        So roll up and see ……..
        (bring popcorn)

  15. boutis says:

    The motion for FBI information is going for the jugular. They want to know who ordered the investigation, under what authority, if it is still open, methodology, all reports, etc. In other words was this a witch hunt and political intimidation.

    • boutis says:

      It would be most helpful for the civil suits also. Is Beasley already going for it?

    • disgustedwithjulison says:

      Wow, this goes right to Holder and the Prez. Do you think that they will stonewall information like Benghazi and Fast&Furious? I am starting to like this, they waited for the right time in the criminal proceeding to drop this investigative motherload so that they can collect all of this as part of a criminal proceeding – making the evidence required and necessary for their client to get a fair criminal trial – but, you know that this motherload is than going to flip over to the civil side and completely destroy all parties that were part of this racist witch hunt. Jumbo popcorn has been popped.

      I stated this six months ago….this case needed to go away….FAST….they didn’t listen and now a lot of heads are going to roll in civil court. I cannot imagine the complaint that will be filed with upwards of 100 parties as defendents….from Woopie, to Dr. Phil, to Frederica, to Rev. Al, to other media folks. Deep pockets everywhere….when this is all said and done, this may turn into the biggest transfer ever of money from Hollywood and the Major Media to a law firm and their client for defamation, harassment, etc. Make that two jumbo popcorns are now popped….

    • recoverydotgod says:

      If you dig into the audio [in the audio/part 2 of 2] of The Joe Madison Show interview on March 28 of Daryl Parks has an interesting answer from Mr. Parks related to taking opportunity of the enhanced resources of the FBI and FDLE.


    • sundance says:

      It is actually the most effective way to get to Fredrica Wilson. Remember she was giving a press conference, she is a federal officer -a sworn constitutional officer- she is not entitiled to any formal protections from slander or libel any more than the Seminole County Sheriff (who coincidently is also a constitutional officer).

      Perhaps, just perhaps, the Federal documentation will lay the groundwork for discovery with both Fredrica Wilson and Corrine….. none of their speech outside of congress was/is protected.

      • cajunkelly says:

        And I’m glad they were stupid enough, SD, to make their hate-filled remarks outside Congress. I’ve always resented that members of Congress are totally immune regarding anything they say, no matter how incendiary or defamatory, on the floor.

  16. murderbythebook says:

    On Tuesday, IS will cover the hearing live. I would rather try to find a live stream to get away from commercials.

  17. Shilo says:

    Phone isnot needed.Service provider has all the info on their computer. Just need a subpoena to get all records – calls and text messages. Texts can be deleted on the phone…

  18. arkansasmimi says:

    Been at the dentist office all morning! SO refreshing to come back home and read this! Cant smile too big lol face still numb! WOLVERINES!!!!

  19. david says:

    I wonder if Bigboi and the butthurt booger eating dothprotest morons noticed that today’s motions refer to the ALREADY COMPLETED federal civil rights investgation that came up empty handed. Another fatal blow to their useless petition!

  20. arkansasmimi says:

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 15 min ago
    I haven’t been to Sanford in more than a month! Someone over here is probably happy about that #lifeofareporter –live at 5

  21. arkansasmimi says:

    Video of CHUMP interview today
    Trayvon Martin’s family attorney explains interview with girlfriend
    By Graham Winch
    updated 12:52 PM EST, Fri December 07, 2012

    • howie says:

      That’s it? It’s just not right? I concur.

      • arkansasmimi says:

        Howie, a friend of mine who also follows this blow, had text me this morning while I was at the dentist, and said that they lost the live feed, so I guess that maybe all there was? Anyone else know?

    • brocahontas says:

      What a moron. So he never says they had reason to disbelieve the Police’s version of the story….and DD was afraid she was gonna be attakified? Who was gonna attakify her? Any ebidences of her attakification?

      • howie says:

        Settlement prospects looking bleak. How sad.

      • John Galt says:

        Mama was afraid of attikafication, so they fabricated a lie about DD being 16 years old to protect her from attikification? Is that the story they’re going with?

      • Sharon says:

        He starts out in his answer trying to just talk lawyer-talk, but about 30 seconds in, it’s apparent that he flips into preacher-tone, throwing out phrases for effect, like he’s at some rally again. I didn’t hear him say “attakafied” in this cut–did they contribute that gem somewhere else? Wouldn’t surprise me–

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      Thanks for the link. I see that Ben Crump STILL can’t be consistent with his stories. FIRST it was “Tracy was working with his account online, trying to figure out Trayvon’s password” (which, BTW is impossible to do) and NOW it is “Tracy got his phone bill and looked at the numbers…”. Can this man EVER tell the truth? This is an OBVIOUS obfuscation to deflect questions about WHY it took Tracy so long to “discover” DeeDee (utter nonsense) and divert attention away from the fact that the SPD had asked for help accessing the deceased’s phone memory.

      • John Galt says:

        Meanwhile, Natalie Jackson’s PI discovered DD while she was meeting Ronquavis and Crump at the funeral / wake that she didn’t attend because she was in the hospital.

      • howie says:

        He is used to being the “suer” in go away PC race case. Becoming the defendant does not compute. What is left of Stare Decisis may do him in. I am sure he is surprised at the current counter-offensive. As is Corey the Magnificent.

      • ytz4mee says:

        Yes, I note that none of these “legal commentators” nor hosts seem the least bit interested in axing Crump why he advised
        Tracy Martin to NOT cooperate with police and provide the account PIN info so the phone info could be accessed.

        Since darling Trayvon, academic scholar, was doing nothing more than skipping happily home with his Iced Tea and candy before he was “profiled, pursued and shot”.

    • jordan2222 says:

      Is there any legal authority that allows witnesses to refuse to talk to LE? Shouldn’t all witnesses be compelled to speak with LE if they have an attorney present?

    • yankeeintx says:

      He is so full of BS. He claims Tracy called him and said that TM was on the phone w/someone. Then he told Tracy to call “her” to see if she would come forward…how did he know it was a female? Then he claims the girl was going to come forward but her Mom said no. If she is 18, why does it matter what her Mom has to say. If the girl was determined to come forward, her Mom couldn’t stop her. (Granted if she really lives at home, she might want to abide by her Mom’s wishes, but she is an adult).

  22. arkansasmimi says:

    Sorry, sad but this made me laugh. I just Dont believe it
    TRAY’S KEEPER‏@JetMan_Twin 4 hr ago

    • arkansasmimi says:

      WOW! wonder if that was sumptin that Trays big bruh and tm did together normally?
      TRAY’S BIG BRUH‏@RIP_TRAY9 2 min ago

    • yankeeintx says:

      He may have just misunderstood when Trayvon said, “I like getting high all the time, I want to be high my whole life”.

  23. howie says:

    Hate ta say it but I told you so about the motions and subpoena’s. It is killing them.

  24. arkansasmimi says:

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 2 min ago
    BREAKING –at least one shot in #Sanford –appears to have minor injuries

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 2 min ago
    Scenes from #Sanford shooting pic.twitter.com/STxrYFY4

    Daralene Jones‏@DaraleneJones 1 min ago
    Fire rescue here to transport victim pic.twitter.com/vifjAfU2

  25. Sharon says:

    The Motion to take Additional Deposition…and the language “(the state) is not allowed to sit silent, waiting to see if the Brady information is disclosed by the happenstance of a specific question….”

    I’m loving the logic and “drill” of these motions and the papers filed against NBC yesterday. Question: Is this kind of in-yer-face no-nonsense language normal with any particular circle of lawyering? I can’t remember having seen much of it…and it’s exactly the kind of no-nonsense language that is SO desperately needed throughout the land today. (and very seldom seen in our elected “representatives”).

    • howie says:

      Corey is out of ammo. Incoming.

    • John Galt says:

      “Question: Is this kind of in-yer-face no-nonsense language normal with any particular circle of lawyering?”

      Typically reserved for those circumstances when the facts and law are clearly on your side.

      • Sharon says:

        Ah! Indeed. That’s the translation I need–cuz I read good, but the interpretation of purpose and tone (when it’s on paper) is sometimes lacking since the legal world is not where I live. :)

      • kathyca says:

        Preee-cisely :) Along with “guide yourselves accordingly.” I’m LOVING this.

    • Sharon says:

      Continuing to read the motions—the sheer volume of what’s being requested is a flood….and considering how the prosecution has been generally unable to function well in their position as officers of the court, I can’t imagine the closed door meetings going on today.

      Either they’re not going to be breaking for lunch until some time in February; or they’re going to drop the charges. I can’t see Corey being up to handling the Process Train that’s coming at her even if she wanted to.

      • howie says:

        Corey is preparing her lawsuit v. Harvard Law School….HAHAHAHAHAH!

        • howie says:

          Sorry, but honestly I have never heard anything so funny. Legally. It should go down in history. Even Nifong was not this crazy.

          • jello333 says:

            I wish Corey would have the courage to show up at one of these hearings. And if word gets out that she’s gonna be there, I bet Alan will catch a quick flight to Sanford. Oh!… Corey walks into the courtroom, looks around, and Dershowitz smiles and gives her a little wave.

        • myopiafree says:

          Yes, all Corey has to do is write a letter to Harvard – and file charges. Dershowitz will be “shaking in his boots” in fear of her. He had no RIGHT to “bad mouth” Corey. Besides, she is a better lawyer than he is (she thinks) – and writes a better PCA document.

          • janc1955 says:

            Something tells me Ms. Corey would not be so quick to pick up the phone and threaten Hahvahd at this stage of the game. She felt she was sitting atop the world when she went after Dersh/Harvard. Of late, she seems to be keeping a rather low profile. Bwahahahaha!

    • boutis says:

      Succinct aren’t they. I think we are seeing Philadelphia with Temple law school thrown in.

      • howie says:

        With plane tix for the ringer thrown in. To Carpetbagger Headquarters in Jessejacksonville. To meet with Angela Corey the Magnificent protector of poor blacks….???? Wait. Something here does not add up.

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      It sounds a lot like Judge Lester’s comment about George’s demeanor at the bond hearing, if you ask me. I wonder if the similarities are intentional?

    • janc1955 says:

      Sharon, I so agree with you. No words are being minced, and it’s a real breath of fresh air. That NBC document was a thing of beauty and a joy to behold.

  26. rumpole2 says:

    “Trixiemay” (aka “Bigboi”) posting at JQ:
    I will lose all confidence in Judge Nelson if she grants any of these motions related to the witnesses, removing the GPS, etc

    Bigboi imploding during the hearing is a “popcorn event” in itself :D

    She later posts:
    Take your pick…

    brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb, dummy*, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irrelevant, laughable, loser*, ludicrous, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, out to lunch, pointless, puerile, rash, senseless, shortsighted, simple, simpleminded, slow, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thick, thick-headed, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless

    Obviously Bigboi is asking readers to pick which adjective(s) best apply to herself.

    I assume that one is allowed to tick several?
    An “all of the above” option should have been included :D

    • eastern2western says:

      It is kind of funny that trayvonites call zimmerman stupid, but they also some how believe zimmerman was some kind of master assasin who could pull off a elaborate murder scheme by killing trayvon, planning of the evidences and still had enough time to beat him self severly right after the gun shot. It is been written in the report multiple times that a neighbor came out right after the gun shot, but these morons keep believing in their bizarro fantasy that zimmerman had all of the time in the world to plan a perfect crime scene.

    • WeeWeed says:

      As somebody said (whadda scream!! :D ) yesterday, “Toot, toot, mutha…..”

    • howie says:

      Blub…Blub…Blub…famous last words for Titanic Passengers. Hey head for the Bow!

    • arkansasmimi says:

      Female Dog and her Pack chasing their own tail ! They arent sure whats going on. Loopy Laura keeps tweeting rather old tweets retyped lol. They are LOST! Too flipping funny! they will be nawing their own paws before too long. Rabid as they are :)

  27. eastern2western says:

    It is kind of funny that the crump accuses the whole department of the sanford police deparment as members of the kkk, but most of them are either black or probably hispanics and they all agreed that there is NO CASE.

  28. arkansasmimi says:

    LOL NONE of FREDDIES Predictions have came true… yet he still predicting
    Frederick Leatherman‏@Masoninblue 54 MIN AGO
    Prediction: The Zimmerman Civil Suit Will Be Dismissed http://wp.me/p1Wtu6-hs via @frederickleatherman.com #Trayvon

  29. dizzymissl says:

    IDK if they have a Pulitzer for investigative journalism for blogs/internet, but if they do, SDC needs to win. Does anyone know?

  30. eastern2western says:

    Being the fact that dd was 18 when shen testified in front of de la rionda, she could face serious legal consequences if she does not become a witness for the defense.

  31. hooson1st says:

    the “package that Serino prepared”
    from p.62 of 74 J Santiago deposition from the Motion to Modify Conditions of Release

    So it is the primary reasoning for this case going forward which led to the 2nd Degree murder charge is contained therein.

    What is in it? Where is it? Has it been disclosed to the defense?
    (if this has been answered before, I apologize in advance)

  32. eastern2western says:

    it is very laughable that morons are still hanging on to the self infliction conspiracy. at this pt, their arguments have become a farce because the only thing we are missing is a martian invasion.

    • eastern2western says:

      another theory is that zimmerman has a twin which will explain everything.

    • ottawa925 says:

      Eastern I find that laughable too … cause, correct me if I am wrong, but ppl had now come out and saw George standing, and police arrived from what I read … one minute later. Did anybody see George beating himself up? Martian invasion, indeed.

      • eastern2western says:

        my theory is that the martians came down from their space ships, frozed time and the space continum, planted the whole crime scene, changed zimmerman’s race from white to hispanic, gave him a fat suit because he is really muscular, released him, planted memories in all of the neighbors and then finally allow the time to continue. Actually, my theory makes more sense than all of theirs and I should write a book about it.

      • murderbythebook says:

        You don’t understand. GZ was chasing TM when he ran into a tree and knocked himself down. He then landed of the roots of the tree that was sticking above ground and cut the back of his head. He subsequently was shoved into some bushes where the rest of the injuries occurred

        • jello333 says:

          As I said many months ago, I still believe this whole thing was nothing more than an S&M (Selma and Mary) session gone awry. George tried to back out when it started getting too kinky, but the girls weren’t gonna allow that!

  33. ottawa925 says:

    Crump stated on that video interview that ppl had tried to attack DD. How would ppl try to attack DD when nobody knows who DD is? … at that time. If Tracy Martin was the only one that knew it was DD, then told Crump, how were ppl finding out DD to go and attack her?

    • eastern2western says:

      I get this feeling that the defense will eventually use this interview against him. To me, he seems to said dd was creation of desperation and they seem to found him out of no where.

    • brocahontas says:

      Apparently the KKK has a clairvoyant in their midst but thy’re no match for the mighty psionic afro-power coming from the Atleantean Afropolis of Afroteena!

      • ottawa925 says:

        Well, I thought it’s possible she made tweets, or facebook about her being on phone with Trayvon and through that maybe ppl where tracking her down. However, if ppl tried to attack her that should have been documented as to what days and how ppl where attacking her. You can’t just say ppl were attacking you and provide nothing to back that up. If her Mother KNEW ppl were attacking her she had an obligation to go to police to protect her daughter. I’m just confused on this alleged attacks on DD when nobody really knew anything about this person. I believe it’s more made up mumbo jumbo from Crump. A deposition of the mother of DD is in order.

    • James F says:

      I think she was genuinely afraid of being attacked… by people in her own community. Being a snitch is the worst thing you can be in her culture. She knew Trayvon pursued, confronted and assaulted Zimmerman.

      Crump coached her to leave the incriminating stuff out.

    • lovemygirl says:

      People making fun of her superb eloquence on the internet is what Crump would consider an “attack”. ;)

    • smoothcriminal says:

      crump speaks a little bit of truth mixed with a little bit of fiction. my opinion:
      They all get together and meet, and it comes out deedee pressured trayvon to play the knock-out-game on george to show her hes a man worthy of the title “no-limit-nigga”, and not a “momma’s boy who cant fight”….and the martins, enraged at learning this, almost beat her down (crumps “people attacked her”, but crump and whoever else at the initial meeting stop it….they all calm down and its agreed she gives them a taped interview of a scenario crafted by julison based on the info available at the time…this is her retribution for the death of their son, she lies so they can sue people for money….and they let it go that she talked trayvon into his death. all is forgiven, in the name of “hey we are all black and heres a chance to stick it to the cracker, even if hes a brown skinned hispanic”

  34. david says:

    Now taking bets on when Baldy De La Rionda lawyers up

    • myopiafree says:

      Hi David – as long as he is the PROSECUTOR – he is “protected by law”. When this case is over, then Corey can throw Bernie under-the-bus – for taking an un-authorized trip to Miami, for a “night” review with the scheme team to develop a “depraved indifference PCA” from DeeDee – who he HAD TO COACH TO GET SOME INTELLIGIBLE ANSWERS FROM. Even DeeDee got pissed, and when Bernie “pressed”, she said, “…do you want that TOO”. I gave you the “mail thing”.

  35. Vanya says:

    Can someone just ask Crump why the girl did not go to the cops right away to report what happened to him in his last minutes? Let me guess the answer- she was afraid no one would believe her cause shes black?

    • Because she was not on the phone with him. I bet the ‘hello’ we see in the unedited 711 video, where his voice appears (cannot find it on youtube anymore, wonder why) is him answering the phone for the 3 stooges on their way to 711 instead of this girl he talked to for 400 minutes in a row.

      There was nothing ‘childlike’ about him during the last few months, if not year. And there is no such thing as a distraught girl who cared do much about her safety she did NOTHING. It defies human nature – or it shows human nature when one is not in danger. Either way, it’s all lies.

      Trayvon had no parents, had his blunt and saw some cracka he could put a bangaz to (as his cousin tweeted, which by the way was part of a video I uploaded but it is now gone, go figure) – and why not? He knew he’d leave the next day. He had incentive to teach a lesson and move on. He was probably going to head over to his cousin’s or somebody else’s anyway so what did he care? It also shows the dad was not going to come home anytime soon as he wouldn’t whoop somebody if Dad was on his way – unless he was too high to think straight.

      Speaking of which…

  36. Hooooaaaaah says:

    It’s a Tugboat kinda day :)

  37. dawndoe says:

    Crump came back later and finished the interview with Vinnie Politan.

    Vinnie asks Crump if he has the original recording of the DD interview. Jean Casares has heard the recording the prosecution turned over to the defense and says it is unintelligible. Crump says that the FDLE has the original recording. Didn’t we hear a very clear recording at one point (before her interview with DLR)? Or was that a different interview? Maybe Matt Guttman had his own recording or something and that is what we heard?

    • eastern2western says:

      basically, it is hide and seek.

    • eastern2western says:

      their routine reminds me of the who is on first joke from the three stooges. However, I believe it is a complete bologna that the prosecutor can not subpeona the orginal recording device of the the first interview because the recorder belongs to crump. If there is such law against it, then the prosecution would not even had a case to bein with.

      • eastern2western says:

        who got the tape?
        Yu got the tape.
        Who again? Yeah, yu.
        I do not have the tape.
        Yu did not gave it to you.
        I do not have the tape.
        Yeah, I know and that is why I gave it to yu.
        Since, when I did I receive the tape from you.
        I gave it to yu and yu said yu will give it to you.
        Why would I gave it to my self if I have the tape. since when did you gave me the tape?
        then you have to ask yu.

  38. akathesob says:

    What a deep mess.

  39. froggielegs says:

    Jane Velez Mitchell will be talking about George in a few minutes

  40. david says:

    Well I see Leatherface made a fool of himself again in his latest blog post. Leatherface attempts to assert that Murder 2 and the defamation suit are interelated legal question and they are clearly two seperate issues to anyone who isnt a drooling booger eating asshat.
    Edit by admin

  41. eastern2western says:

    Personally, I think it is a complete bs that crump does not reserve a copy of the interview for him self. Him, being a lawyer, should know that keeping a copy of important items will always help him to avoid arguments in the future. If dd were such key witness, he should keep every piece of evidence that is associated between him and her.

  42. dawndoe says:

    Crump may have a copy, but he says the original is in the hands of the FDLE.

    • eastern2western says:

      dude, it is digital. every copy should be the same. but, then there is that tape over tape trick. brilliant move for making a useles copy.

  43. JAS says:

    Now that it has been established that the Dee Dee person is eighteen, of legal age, and she is the main “accuser”: Who is she? How did she meet Trayvon? For how long? A gazillion questions coming her way. Her whole life is about to explode into the record.

    The first tenant of our laws is that the accused has the right to face their accusers. And by the facto law, the accused has the right to know everything about the accuserati.

  44. jordan2222 says:

    I just read the Motion to Modify Conditions of Release. That motion actually makes the case for immunity. When Nelson reads it, she will know all she needs to know to grant George immunity.

    Not sure I have heard of Investigator Serand?

    • LetJusticePrevail says:

      I saw the Serand errors as well. It was obviously supposed to say Serino. I would expect to see a corrected, or amended, version to be filed shortly.

    • howie says:

      Watch and learn. Media and scheme team silence tells. They are now twisting in the wind. The question now is who takes the fall. The schemers will turn on each other as truth emerges.

      • jordan2222 says:

        I dare not guess who will fold first, but Yes, I believe it will happen and it may be sooner than later.

        • myopiafree says:

          I wonder how long it will take the “last” DeeDee to tell HER story – about how Crump BEGGED her to meet with Bernie, at night to “obtain Justice for Trayvon” – even if she had to “fib a little”. After all, Crump KNEW there was NO EVIDENCE at all against George, so he had to get some girl to lie for him. (Of course he will deny all this.)

  45. diwataman says:

    waltherppk, my wife’s phone uses the same menu as Trayvon’s phone. Settings – Location & Security – Use GPS satellites. As far as I understand, that has to be checked in order for tracking to work. That’s just the first problem I am having with your claims. I do not know if Trayvon had that little box checked on his cell phone.

    The second problem I am having is that even if this were enabled on his phone, how do you know that information has been stored somewhere? I remember looking at the Casey Anthony logs and the ones I checked showed cell towers, not her physical location by the foot in relation to time as she moved from point A to B while talking on the phone.

    Even if they have that there’s still may be problems that typically come with any GPS particularly the weather but then add in that extra communication with a cell phone tower and you introduce even more problems.

    I am not that highly familiar with the technology or how law enforcement has used it in cases against suspects, that’s why I cite stuff. But I’ve never heard of any case where there was GPS data from cell towers used to track a person from point A to point B down to the foot as they talked on the phone from some previous date. If you can show me some example of a legal case that has done this I would like to see it.

    • waltherppk says:

      @diwataman The ping log information is available on the service providers network servers and must be available immediately 24/7/365 per 911 law requirements when police request the location for a phone having placed an emergency call. The ping logs are data from the towers that are redundantly copied and backup copied onto servers accessible to supervisors who are required to immediately provide phone location data upon request by law enforcement. My last reply got rerouted so I don’t know where this reply may appear.

      • rumpole2 says:

        I am a simple guy… and bow to YOUR superior knowledge on ping logs (Though I have pawed pored through pages of spreadsheets to track Casey Anthony’s location).
        My thought is much simpler.
        In the first instant instance, I don’t give a rat’s WHAT they do or don’t show!
        If they show NOTHING… so be it!
        If BDLR viewed them and the showed “nothing” ….. SHOW ME!
        Hepped ya –Admin

        • rumpole2 says:

          Duh!!! *pored and *instance

        • rumpole2 says:

          Thanks admin… if I can’t have an edit button can I have a dedicated admin to fix spelling and typos? :D

          • Sharon says:

            ,,,,,your request will be taken under consideration. We’ll be getting back to ya!

            • rumpole2 says:

              Oh noes!!!!!

              Last time I made a suggestion to an Admin… and it was discussed in the “Mods forum”… I got banned… FOREVER :eek:

              • Sharon says:

                Aw, yer probably ok. At the moment, I believe you are the premium Jib Jab source, up to and including filling personal requests…..

                Yer probably ok.

                :) Specially cuz when this whole thing goes under, we’re all coming to NZ to live on your veranda or something.

                • rumpole2 says:

                  I’d have suggested that after the election… only we went the socialist way in 1999… stuck with it until 2008……. I always took comfort in knowing the USA was a “Shining City on a Hill”… now we’re all stuffed!

        • waltherppk says:

          Ha! to my “superior knowledge” WRT the ping logs. The capability for the pinged GPS location is definitely there in the phone and the technology is in all the phones for the past several years. Recent manufacture phones are GPS equipped and “can be” GPS located and can be tracked in the way I have described, but whether that is routinely done automatically at all times is another matter entirely. It may be a premium service for certain accounts like where a parent has a child who has a cell phone and the parent may query on their own phone “where is my child” and the phone location for the child is displayed. Or any 911 call may trigger the GPS “ping ident” on all phones which are GPS equipped (which is basically all phones nowadays) so the 911 operator has the GPS information instantly but only on a “per 911 call incident” basis is the GPS data generated. I am absolutely not certain how T-Mobile manages the tracking of its phones or if it is continuous GPS tracking or contingent on a “special request” like a 911 call or a “where is my child” or a “locate my phone” type of scenario where the GPS data is generated only per special request. T-Mobile is the one to answer this. But at any rate the exact times of call connection and call termination should have been available from the ping logs. And even if the GPS type
          tracking was not being automatically done, it may still be possible to triangulate using the ping logs, depending on what kind of data T-Mobile archived. What the forensics experts have to
          work with there is something I honestly do not know. But I have to believe the police investigators were already on this in March. Certainly the police should have known about DeeDee within a short time ..a few days at most, even if the investigation was proceeding at a relaxed pace.

          • rumpole2 says:

            Thanks Walther. :D
            I do agree… there is almost certainly good CRITICAL information within the ping log data… but my point remains: I want to see them whatever they show. (or don’t show)
            If they were never obtained, or now “lost” that is incompetence at least, and in itself is yet another thing that brings the prosecution of this case into question
            “If the ping logs aren’t there to see….. George must walk free”

      • John VI says:

        Yes, this. 911 emergency has access to phone location data the second you phone it in. It is broadcast automatically to any system that can recieve it. In Canada, the maximum range is about 10 feet from the call location, but thats still close enough for emergency personel. This data isnt collected via gps though, as far as I know, its a triangulation effect from all the cell towers that recieve the signal. This is all done automatically with software, so that the location is automatically triangulated and routed through the nearest tower, but the location of the phone is automatically tracked. This isnt really sinister, so much as it is good customer service, providing the best cell signal you can get, and its automatic so that the computer just logs it for its own routing uses.

        911 doesnt need to contact the phone providers (at least in canda, australia and britain) as they actually have full access to the phone logs automatically though our own systems and software. We literally have backdoor access into the full database system through a direct computer hardline (and an expensive one to boot) so that data comes up automatically for any dispatcher that recieves an emergency call. All emergency 911 calls are traced to source. Thats why cops can call you back for a 911 call hangup, and if you dont answer, send a cop to your location to check on things. Cell phone or landline, doesnt matter.

        EMS, Fire, and police dispatch data however is a protected system, and any supenoa requests would still have to go through the original provider, unless you haul the dispatcher in to court to testify as to the contents of his dispatch records.

    • pet says:

      What do you mean when you says “GPS from a tower”? Aren’t the repeating towers and Global Positioning Satellites two diff things? GPS>Tower>Phone<Tower<GPS. ?? Either the GPS is tracking the phone coordinates directly, or the towers are triangulating somehow. Don't understand. Must go research how it works……….or go hand out at a Holiday Inn Express.

  46. Cupcake says:

    Yay! Just got home from work to see this awesome thread with 226 comments! Can’t wait to read all those beautiful motions and everyone’s comments while drinking a bottle of wine! Best way to unwind after a crappy week at work is reading this site!!

    I didn’t see it when I scrolled though the thread but has someone already posted the West/O’Mara “In Session” video yet? Thanks!

  47. Cupcake says:

    Geraldo on O’Reilly (with Laura Ingram sitting in) and she asked him about GZ’s NBC lawsuit. He said that the State withholding the bloody GZ photo until they were forced to hand it over was an ethical violation. But no mention of the edited 911 call Geraldo played on his own show a while ago.

  48. waltherppk says:

    When you see ping log GPS coordinates to 7 decimal places that is the location of the phone not the tower. You are right they don’t show location by the foot but show latitude and longitude to 7 decimal places which IIRC is less than half a foot so it is even better than 1 foot resolution, on the specification by the number value anyway, but there is some plus or minus range of accuracy which applies to the real world value which is still easily within 10 meters at worst and probably within 1 meter for the better GPS equipped phones. It has been months ago since I researched this and did not save the links. I have provided a link to a forensics expert consultant who can assist or refer to somebody else who can if there is a conflict since he is also an FDLE agent. If you want to believe that cell phones having GPS do not use that GPS as a ping response purposes …well how do you suppose 911 responders would ever find a caller unable to give location absent triangulation from several towers ? Do you think the GPS is only used for driving directions in a user app but is inert at other times ? And why go to all that trouble of crude “triangulation” when the phone can tell ONE tower what the GPS receiver in the phone is showing for the location data?

    • pet says:

      Used GPS for many years for fishing coordinates. Sometimes it was accurate to within a couple feet, other times 20-30 feet or more. My understanding is that the military controls the GPS satellite’s accuracy and rolls it around to suit their needs. It’s a proactive setup that lets them manage the system so that it can be zeroed in for a given area as needed, but not left on hi-def mode as a default such that the enemy could use it against the US if the opportunity arose. Well, that used to be my understanding, but I haven’t been an active GPS user for several years as I switched to kayaking and stalking fish in my waders.

      • waltherppk says:

        GPS is capable of more accuracy than “crippled” user apps allow for security reasons. That limitation is likely not in effect for professional communication service providers, nor law enforcement, nor is it limited by current technology capable of accuracy to within a few centimeters.

      • howie says:

        If you approach your target from several angles it is dead on. On the ocean you are subject to wave, wind, and tide. Not on land. It is totally accurate. I started with Loran A. You have to let GPS settle. It is a Plus Ultra of Celestial Navigation. It came from the Space Program. When they wanted to track launches. It all started from trying to determine altitude from the ground.

        • waltherppk says:

          It will put a JDAM in a pickle barrel or a cruise missile through a particular outhouse in a field full of identical outhouses ….it’s the choice when the desired real estate is all about location, location, location.

    • diwataman says:

      I think you may be misunderstanding my position or maybe I’m misunderstanding yours. What I’m trying to understand is say let’s take George’s call for instance. He was on it for only a few minutes and was moving from one point to another. Now I know when I take my little GPS thing and walk around it tracks real well. But I don’t think we’re going to see such a thing in the case of George from . I don’t think we’re going to see lon & lat coord that show he started his call at the clubhouse, went to RVC then back to the T. I’m talking about each second of his call as he moved and exactly where kind of accuracy. I have never heard of anything that accurate in a case before. That’s mainly what I’m talking about. I realize GPS is accurate, that’s not what I’m talking about.

      • waltherppk says:

        No I understand what you mean and you probably are right that T-Mobile does not actively ping for GPS location except on a “per request” type of query as generated automatically only by a 911 call contingency or by a premium user service like a “where is my child located” query which GPS locates the child for the parent. It may very well be that the GPS capability of the phone is not automatically polled routinely for every ping. It certainly can be done but that does not necessarily mean that it is done. T-Mobile would have to answer this one. I just replied to rumpole2 above concerning this. The GPS technology has been in all phones for several years for 911 location purposes, but the GPS feature may not be used to actively track the phone except when a special circumstance arises. So it definitely is a function which could be either turned on or off by the service provider or as you say it could be user selected for use with an app or other “security” reason. If you lose your phone the service provider can ping the GPS location and tell you exactly where your lost phone is located. Whether they “spy” on where it is at other times is their little secret.

        • diwataman says:

          Okay so it seems your reversing you earlier position then;

          “That location data will likely reveal the actual movements of the phone users which have been a matter of controversy and speculation, and should end such speculation and controversy by providing good location information.”

          My position is the best we’ll probably get is the basic info; date, time, incoming/outgoing number and which cell phone tower was being used, regardless if it was T-Mobile. Given that everything happened in a relatively short distance I don’t think we’ll see anything that will help show who was where, like Trayvon in the bushes. However it will help with the calls with DeeDee no doubt.

          • waltherppk says:

            Actually I am not reversing, but I am qualifying my earlier position, because I think the phones probably are actively tracked by GPS continuously but it is not a publicly disclosed fact that it is done. I don’t know for certain but T-Mobile does know and so do the police. As a practical matter the information may never be disclosed even if the police and T-Mobile have the information if it is classified. But they also know the exact to the second and probably even more accurately than to the second times for pings, and for time of connection and time of disconnection of calls and they can and should disclose that much information which as you say could be helpful about the matter of DeeDee.

            • diwataman says:

              Very well then. As I was saying I don’t doubt the technology but I am skeptical of what can be accomplished technologically speaking at this time. I can’t even begin to calculate the amount of data that would be stored for every call made, second by second GPS data for one cell phone user muchless millions of users over any period of time then going back in time, over 9 months now, and retrieving it.

              • waltherppk says:

                Really I’m not trying to be cryptic. The technology is there to be used any way the service providers like and megabillions are spent on surveillance …Big Brother is watching you and me and everybody 24/7 and cell phones have been monitored since the first blackbird satellite flew, it is nothing new. NSA and CIA have acres of server farms processing gazillions of terrabytes of data and everything on every network is analyzed. How accessible the data is to Sanford Florida is another matter entirely. IIRC and of course can’t recall where I got this, “they” don’t discard data until it is more than 5 years old…..everything is recorded…everything….every e-mail ..every phone call..if it was networked on the web or broadcast wirelessly or optically …..”they” copied it and analyzed it……ALL OF IT

        • howie says:

          As you move you can watch the numbers change. Even walking.

  49. pet says:

    Simple mathematics tells you that Tower triangulation would be VERY accurate if that technology exists. Dunno anything about that. Pythag’s theorem and such.

    • howie says:

      It is simple RDF.

    • ncobserver says:

      Having been a Morse Systems Operator many moons ago I can tell you (even way back in the 80′s) we (the USG) could most probably pinpoint your location within a couple of feet from DF stations stationed thousands of miles from one another.

      The “TECHNOLOGY” not only exists, but it is so much better than 30 years ago.

  50. david says:

    Florida Supreme Court discusses “defamation by implication” sorry Leatherface…you and your sheeple fail again http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/decisions/2008/sc06-2491.pdf

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