11-28 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

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148 Responses to 11-28 George Zimmerman Case – Open Discussion Thread

  1. arkansasmimi says:

    Its cold outside this early morning~ Thankful its not looking like the wallpaper, tho it is beautiful :)
    Happy Wednesday~ Keep the Faith George and Shellie! WOLVERINES~!

  2. sundance says:

    Y’all who have been round a while know my previous position. I would not, under any circumstance, inject myself into any aspect surrounding the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman case.

    On numerous occasions, as we were researching, and finding the facts that others did not want to, or were to lazy to discover, we began getting inquiry for contact. I have refused contact from anyone on either side because I did not want to be a filter of the truth, nor did I wish to hear their version of the truth.

    The truth exists on it’s own and can be found without a roadmap from either party…. It takes longer…. it is a frustrating quest…. But the reward is infinately more valuable.

    That said, there is nothing left about the case, to really uncover. The story has shifted from the evidence and facts of the night of 2/26 to the stuff that happened AFTER that date; More specifically who was engaged in particular behaviors and what was their motivation for such self absorbed decisions.

    Much was discovered between March and October. Now It is now almost December…. So my approach is shifting somewhat. I know far more about the who’s, what’s where’s and how’s surrounding the people in all the concentric circles of the case. More than I have ever comfortably discussed.

    Hence the post about the NBPP in response to another series of upcoming lies from the Martin Family attorneys and representatives.

    and Now…. after absorbing countless accusations from people who stand on the field and shout- it is perhaps time to put that research to use.

    You see, lies beget lies which beget lies…… and the thing about fibbers, storytellers and liars is they never know who interacting with them is also lying. It is only from remaining a great distance that you can see them lying to eachother – and yet know the larger truth that applies that neither party sees because they are only interested in their little self-absorbed aspect of the larger whole.

    It is why I keep continually saying get off the field and up to the bleachers where you can see all the players. Only from that vantage point can you then “choose” to walk down to one of the players and discuss their role. They have never noticed you in the skybox watching the entire game, so most often they don’t understand how much of the bigger picture you know.

    Hence was my stroll to tap Mr. Julison on the shoulder. Mr. Julison is representing the families in the FAMU case and is busy today so his response to my initial batch of questions might be delayed somewhat. Mr. Julison is also a father and has a young daughter, who I’m certain he cares about deeply and her opinion of his historical “character”, or lack thereof, does indeed matter.

    I’ll repeat. Ryan Julison deserves not one cintilla of respect. Respect is earned, and to the contrary he has specifically and intentionally acted in such a manner as to advance the opinion of him as undeserving of such merit. However, he does deserve courtesy – courtesy is simple manners, and a simple choice to conduct yourself mannerly even amid a crowd of disrespect. Mr. Julison is is being provided the full measure of courtesy.

    But, I’ll know immediately if he chooses to lie, and that would be a big mistake on his part. A very big mistake. The Truth Has No Agenda.

    This is not a game of moral equivalencies – Nor is this a commercial enterprise filled with aspirations of wealth or fortune.

    This is, well, “a revealing”. A reward all unto itself.

    A revealing for the righteous.

    ……. and this is ONLY the beginning.

    Wolverines !

  3. bruce101 says:

    mr.zimmerman was left no choice but to shoot the gang banger tray martin who attacked him from behind and was smashing zimmerman’s head into the side walk.the lies from martins money grubbing lawyer and the ministry of truth(aka msm) is a conspiracy to deny zimmerman a fair trial when there should be no trial because this was a clear case of self defence.the only reason we are having a trial is because the national socialist democratic workers party want to make it illegal to shoot negro criminals.
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    Generalizing personal self defense into “shooting negro criminals” sidesteps normal processes of law and is not sensible. It actually feeds into the arguments of those who oppose self defense rights under Florida law. You are apparently presuming that George Zimmerman determined that Trayvon Martin was a “negro criminal” and therefore had the legal right to shoot him. That rationale is not the basis of this event. Your perspective does not support good conversation about a difficult issue. –Admin

    • dalec911 says:

      http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-compared-to-michael-dunn-jordan-davis-shooting-case

      Here is another link to a different version of the same story. And what is similar here is people only have limited information on what really happened. Based on this story, this guy sounds guilty. No guns found in the victim’s car, they tried to drive away as their car was being shot at and the guy drove off and tried to get away after the shooting.

      BUT!!! We all know you can’t always believe the press. Does the gas station have cameras outsides? Let’s see the videos. Maybe they were trying to run him over with the car? I would like to keep tabs on this story though.

      • ftsk420 says:

        On the surface this guy seems guilty but I think there is more to the story. Either this guy did it just to do it or he thought he was justified. From what I heard about it this morning on the news the front windows of the truck were up back windows were down all the windows seemed darkly tinted. If this guy had a problem with the loud music why was he dealing with the guy in the back seat when the one with control of the radio was in the front. He says he saw a shot gun and maybe he did. I would hope there is some cameras there that could tell us a little more. To me this guy doesn’t seem that stupid but I could be wrong.

        • Angel says:

          “On the surface this guy seems guilty but I think there is more to the story”

          Lesson Learned from GZ case: Presumption of Innocence applies. I think there is more to it too but either way he is entitled to be presumed innocent until proven guilty by the court of law. And if he is, shame on him!

          • ftsk420 says:

            Oh I agree if he’s guilty then it sux to be him. Corey said she will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

            • Angel says:

              “Oh I agree if he’s guilty then it sux to be him. Corey said she will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.”

              What a difference a case make. I assumed GZ was guilty as sin when those 911 calls came out but when I first heard about this case, my first reaction was may be more to it, wait for all the facts. So something good can come from bad.

    • James F says:

      Pretty pathetic, provocateur.

    • knuckledragingwino says:

      While we don’t want to be rayyyciiiist by suggesting that all Blacks are criminals, the sad, irrefutable fact is that Blacks, particularly young black nails. Commit a grossly disproportionate share of crimes, particularly homicides. The homicide offender rate for blacks is an order of magnitude higher than for the general population and the homicide offender rate for young black males is yet another order of magnitude higher. When you see a 16-30 year old black males, you are looking at someone who is 100 times as likely to commit murder as an average person. This astounding statistic makes it eminently logical for people to profile young black males whose attire and mannerisms conform to the thug stereotype. Rather than complain about racism, the African American community needs to stop raising up rheirsons and daughters to be thugs.

      • Angel says:

        “Rather than complain about racism, the African American community needs to stop raising up rheirsons and daughters to be thugs.”

        You have a legitimate point regarding that the AA community has to accept responsibility for the things going in the AA community and I am with you 100% on that. But tell me what to do when one has been raised properly, is well-educated, speaks proper english, dresses conservatively and professionally but goes into a restaurant one Sunday morning in her neck of the woods, a restaurant that is visited mostly by whites and soon as I walk through the door and head to the counter to look at pastries, the white person hurriedly removes her purse off the counter as if I am going to steal it? The purse seemed to be fine sitting where it was until I walked in. So what did she profile me on?

        • Angel says:

          What does do when one goes (recent visit) to a rural city on a work-related trip with a professional colleague who is white and to go into a restaurant in that rural town and all the white patrons turn to look at us as to say what is she doing in here with her?

          Yes, there are so many things wrong in the AA community and it does reflect badly on us who are trying to be law-abiding, productive citizens so that is a burden I must bear. I abhor what was done to GZ in this case and I hope accountability goes knocking on the doors of those responsible. With that said, I know that racism is not a thing of the past from parties on either side of it. All I can do is try not engage in it and I don’t. I deal with the character of individuals.

          • Sharon says:

            “All I can do is try not engage in it and I don’t. I deal with the character of individuals.”

            Yeah. And thank you for speaking plainly, Angel.

            I try not to engage in it and never have….but I’ve been noticing for about 10-12 years (it started with Sharpton and the Tawana Brawley situation) …where an onslaught began that assumed I was racist because I’m white. At first I just stood there in the middle of my silly life with my mouth hanging open…then I began to realize this onslaught was purposeful and open-ended. In 2012, the spewing accusations from individual blacks came forth at a flood level I had never seen before–I think partly because obama kept on affirming their right to see any and all whites as racists..

            Now I notice when someone’s black, and I wonder if they’re assuming I’m a racist. The racialists have done a number on this country. I deal in the character of individuals, too, and I do not accept responsibility for the consequences of the actions of black racists.

            • justfactsplz says:

              Sadly, many Martin supporters call anyone who supports GZ racist. I made a comment on the other site about the Martin’s use of the donation money, including buying alligator shoes and designer clothes. For that remark I was accused of racism. I did not feel that comment was racist nor did I intend for it to be. With some people if you say anything about the Martins you are considered to be a racist.

              • Sharon says:

                As long as you keep in mind the truth of your last sentence….you’re ok. Which is why I would never attempt to comment at any of those sites.

              • tessa50 says:

                your comment directly followed the KFC reference odessa, please at least be honest–

                ut the Trayvon donations are the Martins’ private welfare fund. That’ll buy lots of KFC.
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                OdessaGirl Zeel Phaggin • 12 hours ago

                And aliigator shoes and designer clothes.

                • tessa50 says:

                  I am not a martin supporter per say, just have always said I believe this should go through the court, whether it is self defense hearing or whatever, odessa, I don’t waver or become a different person on a different blog, you do, your comments at click are racist, one only has to look–even so would have left you alone regardless of what I have seen from you here, but you just keep talking….I really don’t get it

                  • tessa50 says:

                    I realize now that my aggravation at the fact that others do not see through you is taking up too much of my time. I will not comment to you again

                  • justfactsplz says:

                    There are many on that blog that would beg to differ with you who know I am NOT a racist. Anyone is welcome to read my posts there, they are not racist. In fact, time and time again I have encourage people to tone down the racial rhetoric on both sides of the issue. This case has absolutely nothing to do with race from my viewpoint, at least.

                • justfactsplz says:

                  The KFC post above mine was that person’s thoughts on how the Martins spend their donations. My post which followed was a fact that they bought alligator shoes and designer clothes among other things with their donations. My comment was not a racial comment.

              • Angel says:

                “With some people if you say anything about the Martins you are considered to be a racist.”

                I have seen stuff on some of these sites and I want to say something rational but then I am reminded of that quote, “you cannot be rational with irrational people”. Waste of time trying.

            • Angel says:

              “Now I notice when someone’s black, and I wonder if they’re assuming I’m a racist.”

              Sharon,
              In years past, I have had to do some introspection to get at any unconscious beliefs on whether I think all whites are racists because of some of the experiences I have had with a few. I realized then it just as racist to say all white are racists because they are white. Unfortunately, and as you have experienced, everyone doesn’t engage in self-reflection and don’t feel as I do.

              I am sorry for your experiences!

          • jello333 says:

            A person (of whatever color) who responds negatively to another person (of whatever color) solely because of the color of their skin is a racist…. or at least displaying a racist attitude at that moment. I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with stuff like that, Angel. Many years ago, I experienced that, even though I’m white. We helped raised my bi-racial niece, and a few times when we were out with her we were mistreated by other whites. And for a long time, it was that way: It was mostly whites reacting negatively to blacks (or “mixed”). But over the years, more and more blacks have started acting like many whites used to act… except these blacks act negatively toward whites. It’s almost like some have said, “Well, you aren’t the only ones who get to be racist. I’ll be racist too if I feel like it.” Really sad.

            • Angel says:

              “But over the years, more and more blacks have started acting like many whites used to act… except these blacks act negatively toward whites. It’s almost like some have said, “Well, you aren’t the only ones who get to be racist. I’ll be racist too if I feel like it.” Really sad.”

              Yes, it really is sad, no matter who engages in racism because it is so dehumanizing and desstructive

        • ftsk420 says:

          She was just ignorant

          • Angel says:

            “She was just ignorant”

            ftsk420: Perhaps she is. I didn’t get angry and just thought to myself, I can only be who I am and if people cannot accept that, they have that right. But I just wanted what she wanted from that restaurant: good, wholesome food and I had the money to pay for it. I liked the restaurant but I haven’t been back since.

            • ftsk420 says:

              Sadly this type of thing happens all the time and is wrong. I get followed around the store all the time I just smile pull out a wad of cash pay for my stuff and leave.

              • Angel says:

                “Sadly this type of thing happens all the time and is wrong. I get followed around the store all the time I just smile pull out a wad of cash pay for my stuff and leave”

                One gets used to it. The people who can accept you for who you are, well those are the ones who matter. I try to focus on that, but its not easy. ftsk420, enjoy the rest of your day :D

                • ftsk420 says:

                  Enjoy the rest of your day to.

                • floridianne says:

                  I’m not AA, but I certainly must look like the most suspicious middle-aged white woman evah….because I’m followed everywhere I go. It’s almost ridiculous, but theft puts so many businesses under that they gotta do what they gotta do. Sometimes maybe it’s in the mind of the monitored, huh? You think it’s only you, but it really is me they’re watching, too!

            • Sha says:

              Angel : I’m the kind of person I handle uncomfortable situations with humor sometimes. Because I’m a smarty pant’s I would have said … Dang ! just when I was about to grab it to…and started laughing. Sometimes you have to laugh at other people’s ignorance .

              • Angel says:

                “Because I’m a smarty pant’s I would have said … Dang ! just when I was about to grab it to…and started laughing. Sometimes you have to laugh at other people’s ignorance ”

                Sha: LOL! That’s a good one. I’ll use it next time!.

              • jello333 says:

                :) :)

        • floridianne says:

          Maybe she thought her purse was in your way?

        • Knuckledraggingwino says:

          This is what is truly tragic about the race baiting of President Obama and the Zimmerman case. In spite of the FBI crime stats I cite, I understand that the vast majority of black males will never commit murder. Unfortunately; the leaders of the African American community seem determined to erase the moral destinction between law abiding blacks and the thug subculture. Even worse, the African Ameruican community overwhelmingly supports this race baiting. How else can you explain Jesse Jackson Jr being reelected while he is in the freaking mental hospital. Unless this crap ceases now, and only the African American community can stop it, 150 years of progress towards racial reconciliation will be undone.

          • Angel says:

            “How else can you explain Jesse Jackson Jr being reelected while he is in the freaking mental hospital. Unless this crap ceases now, and only the African American community can stop it, 150 years of progress towards racial reconciliation will be undone.”

            +1

        • nameofthepen says:

          Angel says: “You have a legitimate point regarding that the AA community…But tell me what to do when one has been raised properly…”

          Angel, I’ve been thinking about your post all day. I finally figured out why it was bothering me so much.

          I might be off-base here, but, I imagine you stand in a “gray area” where you often have to deal with mistrust from both Whites AND Blacks.

          Years ago, there was a Black man named Lenon Honor who made fabulous videos exposing the satanic side of Hollywood, the music industry, hip-hop and pop rock. He was eventually chased off of YouTube. I was one of his most devoted fans.

          Brilliant guy. Absolutely brilliant. Sensitive, cultured, educated, talented, an artist in several medias, and a dedicated family man with high, “old-fashioned” viewpoints regarding his marriage, his wife and children, even their pet turtle, lol.

          Right before his channel was pulled down, I saw a discussion on the forum of one of his last uploaded videos, where a number of Blacks were attacking him.

          And, the main theme centered around (you’re gonna love this, lol): “Lenon talks like a lawyer. I don’t trust this dude. He’s just trying to ____________ (insert several race-traitor agendas).”

          This was over five years ago. But, it made a deep impression on me.

          Well, he took the lemons, and made lemonade. :)
          http://lenonhonorfilms.com/

          I’m glad you’re here, Angel. (((hugs)))

          • Angel says:

            “I might be off-base here, but, I imagine you stand in a “gray area” where you often have to deal with mistrust from both Whites AND Blacks.”

            Nameofthepen: Absolutely +1,000,000!!! My own sister,told me once a couple of years ago, I was white person in a black person’s body because I called chocolate pudding chocolate mouse among other reasons. Her version of calling me an Uncle Tom! LOL Yeah, I often feel as though I don’t fit in anywhere!

            I am glad to be here. also, Namofthepen thanks to you and many others who I believe are decent, and intelligent,people. Thanks for the (((hugs))))!.

        • LetJusticePrevail says:

          Have you considered that your approach to the immediate vicinity was possibly the first instance after the purse was placed on the counter?

          • nameofthepen says:

            LetJusticePrevail says: “Have you considered that your approach blah, blah, blah…?”

            And have you considered that Angel, who posts here regularly, and has shown herself to be intelligent, very perceptive, and not “race-driven”, most likely reads that sort of non-verbal communication very, very well?

            • LetJusticePrevail says:

              My apologies to Angel (and any others) if my honest and sincere question offended you.

            • Angel says:

              “most likely reads that sort of non-verbal communication very, very well?”

              Nameofthepen, While I am not a first-class expert in non-verbal communication, I am competent at reading it as my profession requires it. And I certainly not on the lookout for any instances like this so I can shout racism. Actually, I questioned stuff like that telling myself maybe it wasn’t that, but in this instance, I know what I know. Nuff said.

    • nameofthepen says:

      To the admin who redacted this troll’s post: Thanks.

      We’re gonna be swamped with more of this – people pretending to “be on our side”, hoping to slip stuff into our conversation stream which can later be used to disgrace us.

      Such an mildewed old tactic, yet always worth trying, if you’re desperate.
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      You’re welcome, and thank you for your insight on the matter. You’re exactly right about their motive. Sometimes, like in this case, we leave it readable to alert others. –Admin

    • jello333 says:

      Thanks “Admin” (whichever of the masked men/women you may be!)

  4. Bongo says:

    I doubt George Zimmerman had any time to consider racial issues once he was attacked. He was knocked to the ground and had his head bashed repeatedly on the concrete sidewalk. I’m sure he only shot Trayvon Martin in a final act of self defense knowing full well the next bashing of his head could have knocked him out. Furthermore, TM’s grab for GZ’s gun accelerated GZ’s decision to pull it out of its holster and fire it. Nobody came to GZ’s aid that night, so he had no choice but to defend himself the only way he had available. It had nothing to do with race.

    • justfactsplz says:

      You are absolutely right, it had absolutely nothing to do with race. George told dispatch that Trayvon was black only after they asked his race. George said that in the same matter of fact way that he described what he was wearing. He was simply answering their questions so the police could identify Trayvon. It did not matter to George what race Trayvon was. What mattered was what Trayvon was doing at the time, nothing more.

      • nameofthepen says:

        justfactsplz says: “George told dispatch that Trayvon was black only after they asked his race.”

        True. Perhaps that should be another question to Julison : “Why’d you spin the story, Mr. Julison, even though you knew ahead of time George had been specifically asked to describe the lurking stranger’s race?”

    • deanno says:

      Exactly–one can make the ever so slight point that George “profiled” Martin b/c he looked black–although by the NEN call he wasn’t sure–but Martin is dead b/c he decided to get on top of a perfect stranger and beat him up.

      The call to the cops is a different issue from the shooting.

  5. diwataman says:

    How come the world has never heard from the girl Trayvon was seeing at the time of his death? This is not DeeDee by the way, that is a different girl. I’m talking about the one he was seeing.

  6. Uckledraggingwino says:

    I thought I would post this link on a more recent shooting by a gas station clerk who was assaulted.
    http://www.khou.com/video?id=181127601&sec=548357

    Unfortunately; this video does not show the entire incident.

  7. waltherppk says:

    Hold the phone just a minute, please. The complete forensics analysis of the cell phones associated with this case, most especially the ping logs providing GPS locations and exact times to the second which correspond to those GPS locations are key material evidence which has been conspicuously missing from any identification even by reference in the discovery materials which have been published. That glaring omission of exactingly scientific and irrefutable and conclusive FORENSIC EVIDENCE is something which should make the hairs stand up on everyone’s necks. WTF is the State of Florida hiding that involves what is probably decisive evidence about this likely justifiable homicide case, in order to enable a specious propaganda narrative to continue which would likely be nullified by a revelation and publication of such definitive forensic evidence ? Where is investigative journalism concerning this particular absence of key forensic evidence and why is there a continued popular willful ignorance about the significance of the undisclosed forensic evidence as if people pretending such evidence is not important is a misdirection and false representation somehow not obvious as evasiveness and deception by the State…at least obvious to any INTELLIGENT PERSONS ? Is the average IQ of the rank and file really so far downward trending that the State and its propaganda ministries which pass themselves off as being “news media” can now simply operate on the presumption that the average person is a moron and can be kept oblivious to the value of forensic evidence that ought to be revealing about the movements of persons who are subjects in a homicide investigation when both of those subjects were being electronically monitored in real time by the telecommunications equipment they were both reported to be using ? Does both the State and the “news media” simply presume that the general public consists of a population of imbeciles whose intelligence is so deficient that it would be just impossible for either the State or its propaganda ministries to insult that intelligence by any such implausible false representation or omission which even a reasonably bright child could identify as having the significance which is obvious to anyone not suffering the mental challenge of being a moron. It is impossible for me to find a more delicate way of expressing this legitimate frustration and retain the frank honesty which the subject matter deserves. Clearly both the State and its propaganda ministries hold the public in contempt and incorrectly estimate that the average person is just plain stupid.

    • justfactsplz says:

      I know, it is terribly frustrating. The prosecution don’t want this info out there. But the truth has to come out, it just has to.

      • waltherppk says:

        This whole bizarre case has an Orwellian flavor to it ….like to whom should we refer our reasonable and intelligent questions …Winston Smith at the Ministry of Truth ????…..
        oh wait I forgot there is currently an effort underway to “interface” with Mr. Julison :D
        so maybe that will be illuminating ….yeah riiiiiight …anticipating real answers come of all that …like expecting a miracle there will bring sudden sanity to an episode of the twilight zone which was the handiwork of Mr. Julison
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Truth

        • janc1955 says:

          I love your posts waltherppk.

        • justfactsplz says:

          Well, look at the bright side. Maybe this interview will pave the way for more scheme team interviews, LOL. Okay, people, we want to know about the phones, chop chop!

          • jello333 says:

            “Hi everyone. I’m Brianna, or you all know me as Dee Dee I think. Someone said you wanna talk to me. Well, I’m here. Ask me whatevah, it’s ok. And… what’s that? You all got a leak up in here I think… it’s a little bit drippin’ water. Umm… So yeah… whatcha wanna know?”

          • waltherppk says:

            Here’s a link for the movie 1984 (adult themes some nudity) welcome thought criminals :D

            At timestamp 48:00 Winston Smith’s diary entry for 12 May 1984 “There is truth and there is untruth. Freedom is the freedom to say two plus two equals four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

            Maybe somebody at “headquarters” …you know somebody at the Ministry of Truth needs to figure out that we and plenty of other people out there in the real world can add just fine. Actually most of us could probably do that much basic arithmetic at an early age before “headquarters” ever became involved in our lives to be a teacher of some creative and incorrect “new math” :D

            Ping logs ! Ping Logs ! Where are the damn ping logs ???? Stop the lies ! No more lies ! Where are the damn ping logs ? Hey you “news media” …Stuff the propaganda ! Stop the lies ! Tell the truth for a change !

            “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” George Orwell

            • rumpole2 says:

              So… it’s agreed the PING LOGS should have been obtained very early on, especially since the PCA (lol) was dependent on evidence of/from and ALLEGED phone call.
              So where are they?

            • justfactsplz says:

              I guess they are taking a long time to cut and paste and come up with ping logs that will fit their narrative. Angela Corey, what did you do with all of the evidence? We want it all.

              • jello333 says:

                I bet all the foot-dragging over the past few months has nothing to do with trying to build a strong case against George. I think they all know that’s already a lost cause. What they’re doing now, I think, is trying to figure out how to keep themselves from being investigated when this is all over. I think they’ll all be just fine with George being exonerated… just as long as the case ends right there, with no further repercussions.

    • jordan2222 says:

      As long as we have you leading the charge, I do not worry. I have asked so many questions about
      the phone issue, I am worn out.

      Have you ever attempted to contact the defense?

      • waltherppk says:

        @jordan2222 Oh yeah I have been there done that as well as making plenty of noise by e-mail and comment posting at the news sites. So it isn’t like a new idea or an unknown issue, but the willful ignorance has become institutionalized and convention because it is a hot potato issue too hot for any stupid prog to touch. This issue nails the propagandists ass to the wall so why should they do anything else but pretend the cell phone forensics isn’t an issue ? It’s the same deal as with Benghazi …an effin’ cover up by feckless corrupt media propagandists who won’t touch the real story with a ten foot pole. What better do you expect from propaganda ministries ? They got to be all the Pravda they can be in service of the “party”. What we are seeing is pinko commie rats doing their thing like good little subversives doing their part to destroy a country with lies and omissions. Fifth column Frankfurt School Marxists is what they are …got it ?

  8. yankeeintx says:

    Gzdefense fund is now going to be run by a manager of George’s choice. He is going to send out Thank you cards to all who donate. He also wants to list how the donations are being spent.

    I cannot image what Christmas will be like for him this year. Here he is in hiding, trying to survive (until the case is dismissed). I think the reason I need to send something is because this could have happened to my son (their the same age).

    • yankeeintx says:

      oops, “their” = they’re.

    • ftsk420 says:

      Even though he’s under a great amount of stress I believe he will enjoy this Christmas since he knows he could have spent it behind bars.

      • yankeeintx says:

        I think he realizes that he has so much to be grateful for, but it has to be tough for him right now. I can’t imagine what it would feel like to have a bounty on my head or the amount of stress he is under.

    • Sharon says:

      Co you have a link with the info about the defense fund?

    • James F says:

      That ugly propagandist , Frances Robles, is distorting this news with a misleading headline – “George Zimmerman to sell autographs to pay expenses”

      Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/28/3117444/george-zimmerman-to-sell-autographs.html#storylink=cpy

      • yankeeintx says:

        I knew it would be distorted, but he makes it very clear that he just wants to thank people that support him in his time of need. This man has lost everything and can still find it in his heart to be thankful for the love and support of family, friends, and concerned citizens.

      • jello333 says:

        MOST of the people who hate George are “ugly” people. Not physically, but intellectually, morally. And I’m not just talking about how they’ve acted since this case broke. No, if these scumbags are capable of acting this way toward George and his family, friends, and supporters, then clearly they have some serious personality issues. Their absolute lack of empathy points to something approaching sociopathic.

      • justfactsplz says:

        Another one to add to the fodder.

      • Sharon says:

        Aw, she’s just jealous that nobody wants hers.

    • diwataman says:

      Love that opening paragraph. He should open every court date in the same fashion, lol.

      “The original fund was formed by George Zimmerman himself — before his arrest, in the initial days of the media frenzy started by Ben Crump, Natalie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the PR firm hired to fan the flames, Julison Communications (the story of this PR blitz is profiled on the ParksCrump.com website). While most media outlets perpetuated the narrative repeated constantly by Ben Crump who said that what George Zimmerman did was to “. . profile, pursue, and confront Trayvon Martin, and then kill Trayvon Martin in cold blood, even though he was unarmed; (see video of Crump on Piers Morgan Tonight)” there was notable exception, Sean Hannity, who questioned the narrative pushed by Parks and Crump — see Hannity questioning Parks on his show, asking if there has been a rush to judgement — and Mr. Hannity urged his viewers not to jump to conclusions about George Zimmerman. As a result, thousands donated to George via TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com website.”

    • nameofthepen says:

      yankeeintx says: “I cannot image what Christmas will be like for him [George] this year.”

      Remember the line from “Steel Magnolias”?

      That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.

      Yankee, don’t take this wrong, but I like to imagine this whole thing is affecting George and his family the way repeated firings temper and strengthen a fine samurai sword.

      I have a weird feeling it’s all gonna to turn out even better than any of us hoped for. :)

      • yankeeintx says:

        I’ve heard that God will never give us more than we can handle. Sometimes I tell him that even though I trust him completely, I’m worried. I’ve come to the conclusion that he has more faith in me, than I have in myself.

        I hope you are right about George. He deserves to come out of all of this stronger than ever before.

    • justfactsplz says:

      They can’t go out and buy gifts or things for Christmas dinner, things we all take for granted.

    • jordan2222 says:

      It is all a matter of perspective. My Mom has the “gift” of Alzheimer’s. A friend posted that at her site and it has now caught on. Imagine the possibilities when you look at it that way.

  9. Patriot Dreamer says:

    FBI Crime Stats: You are more likely to be killed by hands and feet than by a shotgun or rifle

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/27/fbi-crime-stats-you-are-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-hands-and-feet-than-by-a-shotgun-or-rifle/

    • ytz4mee says:

      Yes. “Fists and Boots” are WEAPONS.
      It infuriates me to no end when the Scheme Team insists on refering to Traydemark as “unarmed”.

  10. david says:

    Robert Zimmerman Jr will be appearing on a national market news program this Friday to discuss the ongoing “We The People” Whitehouse Petition for a Federal investigation into violations og George Zimmerman’s civil rights. We are at 441 signatures and moving forward!

  11. maggiemoowho says:

    Many contadictions in DeDe story are given throughout this NBC news site. This also includes SF explanation of DD’s hospitalization.
    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46805726/ns/today-today_news/t/trayvon-martins-parents-trust-friends-phone-call/

  12. janc1955 says:

    Testing 1-2-3. I’m having issues with the site tonite.

  13. nameofthepen says:

    Well, after reading down through this thread, I think I can safely say that Julison probably will not be receiving a holiday card from any of us this year. :lol:

  14. jello333 says:

    An interesting development today in Bigboi’s Twitter feed. She was complaining to Jeff Weiner because he posted a link to George’s fundraising site. Weiner came back and said “it’s news” just like when he posted the Martins’ fundraising site, and all the rest. But that wasn’t good enough for Bigboi. So she said this to him: “We get it Jeff. U don’t have to explain. Trayvon’s just too black 2 care about. It’s all about the murderer.” So Jeff came back and said something like, “You just more or less called me a racist. Do it again and you’re blocked.” Of course Bigboi denied it. “I don’t see where I called you a racist.”

    • James F says:

      Just like their mentor Natalie Jackson taught them. In their world, accusing somebody of racist actions or behavior is not the same as calling them a racist.

      In the real world, accusing someone of lying is the same as calling them a liar.
      Accusing someone of killing in cold blood is the same as calling them a murderer.
      Accusing someone of racist behavior is the same as calling them a racist.

      Nasty Nat must be proud of her nasty little gnats.

    • kathyca says:

      Only the insufferably ignorant and childish think they can shield themselves from responsibility for their actions by playing literal word games. My kids say stuff like bigboi says — “I didn’t call my 6th grade brother an idiot, all I said was that all of the kids in the 3rd grade are smarter than he is.” Bigboi could be my 8th grader if my child were that immature and hateful. Which she isn’t.

      I wouldn’t expect Weiner to acknowledge my tween’s tweets, so I can’t imagine why he didn’t block bigboi a long time ago. Maybe Weiner has the intellectual capacity of an 8th grader as well. Sure seems so. Sad state of affairs in the MSM

    • arkansasmimi says:

      That pack of female dogs needs to get their shots! They are constantly foaming at the mouth. They def need to be quarantined!

    • justfactsplz says:

      I am so sick of the racist word being thrown around. I was accused of it on my regular site earilier this evening. Argh!

    • cosmocrash says:

      Reading that tweet (and warning) to that foul-mouthed troll BigBoi from Weiner is priceless! :lol: Finally, someone standing up to the harassing, stalking and verbal abuse!

    • diwataman says:

      What a bizarre exchange. Jeff and Rene have a clear bias for Trayvon. They remind us that Trayvon was black in every article. They manipulate their articles after original posting in a nature that is sometimes nefarious. They give the Scheme Team an open and unquestioned platform. They have never truly investigated the story. What more could they want from them?

      It’s a classic white guilt tactic and James F is right. And I’m beginning to think that perhaps people like this, maybe even Natalie herself, actually do believe they are not calling someone a racist when they do things like this. I think maybe it’s becoming part of society to think that if one accuses another as a racist to consider it a moral wrong somehow and so they do everything short of the direct accusation. They want to say it but are hesitant because they will look bad to some so they reserve the direct accusation only for the really, really bad racists, then they are safe to make the direct accusation.

      Then there of course is the other possibility that some are completely aware of what they are doing and are employing that classic tactic of denial as many psychopaths do.

  15. jordan2222 says:

    Angel, I would like to hear your observations of how differently blacks and whites interact in different situations from private to public and one on one to groups from your perspective.

    • Angel says:

      Hi Jordan2222,

      Can I get back with you on this? I would be glad to but want to give it some thought. Dont want you to think I am ignoring you. I am going to lie back down for an hour before its time to get ready for work. I will post my response here under your original post, okay?

    • Angel says:

      “Angel, I would like to hear your observations of how differently blacks and whites interact in different situations from private to public and one on one to groups from your perspective.”

      Jordan2222: I have had interactions with whites, blacks and other ethnic groups professionally and personally. I am not quite sure what you are asking but I can say that I have had good and bad experiences with black and whites. I have dear white friends as well as dear blacks ones. I have seen flaws in both. I have taught black and white students, Indian and Hispanics students as well. I have seen the best in some and some not so good in others. I had a white male paraprofessional to assist me in the classroom and he was did his job very well. I had a black female paraprofessional who made my life hell in my classroom. I have seen not so good white teachers, one of whom who had a parent remove their child from his classroom and placed in mine because they thought my classroom environment was the better for him. I myself have been a handful to some of my colleagues and friends. Nobody’s perfect.

      I had a dear white friend who helped me through some hard times years ago but he was subsequently accused of a crime I would have never thought of him. He bounced back from it. I frequented the home of him, his wife and children often and I was always welcomed, me and my children. He made a statement once that I often wondered about; He said, “we like you because you don’t act some of the blacks we have met. Okay, I can deal with that because he judged me for me and not based on the actions of others. I have lost contact with him but have tried to locate him but so far no luck.

      My hispanic students were my most respectful students in the classroom always extending courtesy to me knowing if their parents were called, they would be in a world of trouble. I have met some of the parents of these students and they really value education and wanted the best for their children. Had one parent make me the best rice pudding for a cultural day dinner that I had for my students. Very humble people collectively.

      I have been accused of some of my black friends of being too politically correct, not because that is what I was doing but I did not want to talk about people or blame race for everything in the work environment and chose to say something positive.

      If you need me to clarify anything further about this, I will gladly do so.

      • Angel says:

        Gosh, how could I forget this: when I was in the military, and had gotten to my new base after Basic and AIT training, I was lonely, homesick. This white guy who was in my unit picked me up one Saturday and took me to his apartment and made me a spaghetti dinner and drove me around town. I never forget how nice he was to me and we became buddies! My black female roommate did not but I think she was sore because she now had a roommate. I have met white people who are really nice and kind. I truly have and I am thankful for having the experiences I have had with them!!! The end :D

      • jordan2222 says:

        I love Barbecue.. all kinds of barbecue. At one time, 3 of my favorite places were right in the middle of some very “bad” areas. Originally, some black friends had introduced me to each of them. I made it a point of getting to know the owners.

        After that, I would call ahead of time if I was going by myself and they would tell me where to park because they knew what would happen to my car. You can read a lot into that.

        Clearly you do not live in a ghetto. I have read most, if not all of your posts, and I suspect where you live influences the interaction among different races that you have observed and personally experienced.

        My experience is that
        some areas are off limits to whites and vice versa.

  16. Angel says:

    “I love Barbecue.. all kinds of barbecue.”

    Well,we do have that in common. I know of a great barbeque place near where I live and unfortunately when I travel there, I am ever on alert to the possibility of danger because of the location of this place. A police is usually on duty and there are several employers in the joint that are packing ( not concealed) to deter anyone who even thinks about trying to help themselves to the cash register.

    I rarely go there anymore because they are not quite as good as they used to be even though the brunswick stew is still so delicious!!!

    Well, I am kind of done with this topic, and I appreciate your feedback and wanting to get mine. Mabye if our worlds ever collide, we could sit down to some great barbeque, but I doubt they will Take care of yourself, jordan2222 :-)

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