It Begins – Today It Is Prudent To Pray For Israel

Whether or not Killing Hamas Leader Amhed Jabari is the Israeli Archduke Ferdinand moment is yet to be decided.  But, one thing is certain – Israel is more isolated than ever before.

Remember the RISK to Israel is not just from the Islamist States.  It is also from radical leftist elements within the United States.

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97 Responses to It Begins – Today It Is Prudent To Pray For Israel

  1. Sharon says:

    King Solomon was king over Israel from 970-930 AD BC after his father, King David.

    The following is part of Solomon’s prayer to God in I Kings, chapter 8, at the time of the dedication of the magnificent temple that is spoken of to this day as “Solomon’s Temple” –

    44“When Your people go out to battle against their enemy, wherever You send them, and when they pray to the Lord toward the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, 45then hear in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.

    46“When they sin against You (for there is no one who does not sin), and You become angry with them and deliver them to the enemy, and they take them captive to the land of the enemy, far or near; 47yet when they come to themselves in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of those who took them captive, saying, ‘We have sinned and done wrong, we have committed wickedness’;

    48and when they return to You with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land which You gave to their fathers, the city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name: 49then hear in heaven Your dwelling place their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause, 50and forgive Your people who have sinned against You, and all their transgressions which they have transgressed against You; and grant them compassion before those who took them captive, that they may have compassion on them 51(for they are Your people and Your inheritance, whom You brought out of Egypt, out of the iron furnace), 52that Your eyes may be open to the supplication of Your servant and the supplication of Your people Israel, to listen to them whenever they call to You.

    53For You separated them from among all the peoples of the earth to be Your inheritance, as You spoke by Your servant Moses, when You brought our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord God.”

    Psalm 25:22 Redeem Israel, O God, out of all their troubles!

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    • oriana88 says:

      Psalm 122

      “I was glad when they said unto me, We will go into the house of the Lord./ Our feet shall stand in thy gates, O Jerusalem./ Jerusalem is built as a city that is at unity in itself . . . O pray for the peace of Jerusalem; they shall prosper that love thee./ Peace be within thy walls, and plenteousness within thy palaces./ For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will wish thee prosperity./ Yea, because of the house of the Lord our God, I will seek to do thee good.” Amen.

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  2. dreamerspirit says:

    Amen to that Sharon. I pray for Israel during these most trying of times. Can someone explain to me why Obama once again captured the majority of the Jewish vote? Do they really believe he stands with Israel when he is poised to appoint Susan Powell to replace Susan Rice as Ambassador to the UN?

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    • Sharon says:

      Their decision to support him was not based on thoughtful analysis. Sometimes I think the group support of various demographics has more to do with momentum (based on voting history) than it does on analysis of what’s in front of them. It’s just easier to keep on doing what a person has done before. What’s the physics principle–a body in motion tends to stay in motion. I’m afraid that much of it is nothing more than that.

      Another element where we Gentiles sometimes make it more confusing that it really is (I’ve been told on several occasion by Jews) is that we make an assumption that being Jewish is equivalent with being orthodox Jew, being “high on Israel” and being conservative in religious terms–holding to the Torah, etc. A friend who had the last name of “Levi” shocked me on that one when I was in my 30’s: she said, “Sharon, you think that all Jews think of themselves the way you think of them? As being special? As being God’s people?” She set me straight with good humor and said that the vast majority of her Jewish family and Jewish community would literally not recognize themselves in the assumptions that Gentile Christians make about “the Jews as God’s chosen people.” For many of them, that simple is not the perception. At all. So I think our assumptions set us up for our confusion on some of the political issues.

      Our assumptions can become a source of insult to secular Jews as well.

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      • oriana88 says:

        I also learned the lesson that many Jews do not consider themselves “God’s chosen people” when, like Sharon, I was a young woman: in fact, many secular Jews think that concept is a joke. I was at a social occasion and was speaking to, of all people, David Frum’s aunt. She said that, especially after the Holocaust, she could not accept at all that Jews were “chosen by God”. That made me feel sad. Where I live, most Jews are secular: they vote overwhelmingly left (Liberal or NDP: Canada’s Democrats), just like they do in the USA, even though our fine PM Stephen Harper and his Conservative government have been staunch supporters of Israel, unlike our Liberal Party when it was in power for decades.

        Jews’ leftism seems perverse and I don’t know what it would take to change their minds: not even 9/11/01 did. As Sharon says, it seems that “momentum” is at play here. Also, many Jews are staunchly secular and actually REJECT the bible account of their covenant with G_d. Think of how many Jews are/were Marxists: Marx, Alinsky, Axelrod, Emanuel, Sunstein, etc. It’s no wonder so many vote left, against the security of Israel. God did call the Jews “a stiff necked people”! I do know some very committed, even secular, Jews who have changed their political minds. But they’re the exception. Kyrie eleison

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    • kobeclan says:

      Most American Jews are Progressive/Liberal first and Jews second. Even the many Jews I know who have spent extended time in Israel support Obama. I asked a close friend why he was voting for someone who (in my opinion) is openly anti-Semitic and his response was that Obama isn’t REALLY anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist. His detractors are just trying to stir up animosity among American Jews. Unbelievable!

      Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

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      • oriana88 says:

        I agree!

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      • gretchenone says:

        Same thing with many Catholics–liberals first, Catholics second.

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        • dreamerspirit says:

          Not the Catholics I know, but then I live in a generally conservative area of our state.

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        • kobeclan says:

          Yeah. Sad. Have lots to say, but need to calm down before I post.

          “There are more priests in the caves of Hell than on the clouds of Heaven”.

          Also: “The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of Catholic priests”.

          Was I calm enough?

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          • oriana88 says:

            I’m an observant Christian–and a Catholic convert from the altogether apostate Anglican “Church”. I’m quite calm, even though your libel of the Catholic Church is quite outrageous.

            Yes, the RC Church is full of sinners–but, “in saecula saeculorum”, it’s also full of a multitude of saints.

            What’s your problem?

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            • kobeclan says:

              Libel implies false. I’m an Irish-Catholic from Chicago. Plenty of priests in Heaven, just a lot more in Hell.

              Explain to me how someone who was married for 30+ years with 5+ children can have his marriage annulled so he can marry his bimbo in a Catholic church and still receive communion? You think the bishop/cardinal who approved that is now wearing wings?

              Hardly.

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              • oriana88 says:

                What you say is reasonable, but, IMO, it’s not reasonable to discount the multitude of RC saints, living and dead, known and unknown, which you appear to be doing. And, of course, there are many such Christian saints in all denominations. However, some denominations make no pretext at all these days of following scripture, reason, and tradition. The RC Church, full of sinners as it is–at least it openly admits that (the Anglican Church, not so much)–still has a great deal to recommend it. To dismiss it out of hand seems somewhat excessive.

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    • Truth Fan says:

      hello dreamerspirit :)

      I think the answer is plain enough, the apostle Paul quickened by the Holy Spirit, tells us why.
      ‘For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:’ Romans 2:28

      In Revelation the Lord Jesus Christ in Chap 2, refers to those who call themselves Jews, but are not.

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  3. dreamerspirit says:

    Thank you for your insight. That was helpful. A secular Jew…hmmm. Have to admit I never even took that into consideration. Seems almost like an oxymoron when you think of the scriptures.

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  4. lovemygirl says:

    Israel will prevail.

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  5. lovemygirl says:

    Historical tapes can provide a small piece the background.

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    • dreamerspirit says:

      LMG, Thanks for the video history lesson regarding Mossad. It prompted me to do a little further studying on the subject. I never knew that there was some question that Israel may have known about the 9/11/2001 attacks and that some believe they actually used that information to ensure the attacks on the World Trade Center would amass the most amount of damage possible to insure the US would be compelled to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. I had heard a lot of conspiracy theories, but that one some how escaped me.
      Has this been a topic of discussion on here previously? If so, what was the take away?

      Fox News unveils arrests of Israeli’s caught in possible covert operations in US pre 9/11
      attacks .

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=qeW-CRYr2u0

      Was Israel involved in the 9/11/12 attack on the World Trade Center?

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=qeW-CRYr2u0

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  6. lovemygirl says:

    btw, parts 2,3, 4 etc are available.

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  7. howie says:

    Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood are calling on Obama to intervene against Israel.

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  8. Mikado Cat says:

    Israel will prevail, but it could be one heck of a mess at the end. Skirmishes are much more likely than large scale attacks because in skirmishes Israel needs to moderate its response, but in a larger scale winning would be the only issue and the response not very moderate.

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  9. loopyloo305 says:

    Reblogged this on My Blog and commented:
    God stands with Israel, those who don’t face destruction. Pray that our own leaders have the sense to be on the side of God and not on the side of those trying to destroy Israel. But if they don’t, pray that people have the opportunity to save their souls by giving themselves to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

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  10. Why not pray for Syria?

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    • kobeclan says:

      i pray for the Syrian people, at least the ones that have no desire to live in the 7th Century.

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    • floridianne says:

      We pray for Israel because we are commanded to and because Israel is the apple of God’s eye. Pray that individual Syrians find the one true God and stop worshipping satan. That is their only hope.

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      • Commanded to? Uh oh. Syria is a one of the few secular regimes in the Middle East – did you know that? So they respect Christians but not so much the Muslim Brotherhood whom the Assad family annihilated in the 70s. Here’s how Israeli’s feel about Christians –

        Where did the Iraqi Christians flee to once Sadam was overthrown? Israel? No. Syria?
        You betcha.

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        • canadacan says:

          Very disturbing there are extremists in any culture

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        • Sharon says:

          You’ve conflated two questions: why pray for Israel….and what some Israelis think of Christians. The two issues are not connected in terms of answering your question….unless you really didn’t want an answer, but a fuss.

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          • Your answer is one-dimensional in that there is something about Israel in the bible – that doesn’t work for me. I look at real time and recent history like the U.S.S. Liberty. Even those here that do not use the bible for their current events make the mistake of seeing the Left’s attitude towards Israel/Palestinians and think, “the enemy of my enemy….”; that’s not how it works in this case. Israel does not care about us; don’t forget the Israeli “reporters” who were sent to document the event (9/11).

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    • hissandflutter, After reviewing Your comment history it appears you are considerably anti-semitic. Syria is no longer a revolution of syrians – it is a revolution of rabid islamists. Syria does not need prayers, that time has passed – the islamists in Syria need to be crushed.

      That’s why.

      There are no farmers, shopkeepers, or innocents carrying ak-47’s in Syria… They are al-Qaeda. They don’t need sympathy, nor prayers – they need to be defeated.

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      • Antisemitic? And criticizing Rice is racist I suppose (those leftist ad hominems are too easy, buck up). I support Assad and the Syrian people not the militias; sounds like you do to. I suppose you were quite aggrieved to hear Ryan lament our countries lack of action against Assad after his “killing of 30,000 of his own people”? See how that works? Both Obama and Romney were towing the same anti-Assad:pro-militia (Ak47 etc) line. There is no difference in foreign policy between rep. and dem.. Obama recently gave Israel the largest military money package in history (Iron Dome).

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        • Obviously you are a complete “tool” and you are making yourself look foolish. I have written extensively about how Romney, ryan, Republicans et al are wrong, shortsighted, and insufferably inept. So I respectfully ask you to leave this site.

          Your obfuscations, manipulations, and flat out inane points are not needed.

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    • Sharon says:

      Caroline Glick (senior columnist/Jerusalem Post) just spoke for 15 minutes with Mark Levin, and explained why it is problematic that the west always seems to find a way to have “sympathy” for groups of people in a way that aids those who are destroying nations. She pointed out that with regard to Syria, things have deteriorated seriously since the destruction of Libya’s secular Muslim government (courtesy of Obama and His Women who had to invade Libya in order to protect people). She said that the armaments now being used against Israel have ratcheted things up considerably due to the far high level of weaponry now being used against Israel, courtesy of obama’s decision to “help those poor people in Libya”….munitions being fired into Israel today came from Libya.

      She said that those who are always looking for “the good people” to provide humanitarian assistance to in these situations just are unable to grasp that there are no good people, no positive forces, involved in any of these destructive takedowns of one government after another, aided and abetted by foolish policies by people who really are as dumb as their policies make them appear to be, or are just pretending to be that dumb.

      Tel Aviv was shelled today. The Jordanian king is also hanging “by a reed” she said (equivalent of our “by a thread” obviously)….because all of the secular governments in the ME are now very, very vulnerable and highly unstable.

      And guess what? Turkey is now a member of NATO–and Turkey is not a “western-aligned” government any more by a long shot. Like obama said, when the political winds turn, he will stand with the Muslims.

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  11. ctdar says:

    Prayers to Israel and its people who are getting fired on by missiles now. Heartbreaking to see just how close the 2 sides are physically so you know there will be many casualties.

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  12. czarowniczy says:

    Don’t forget the far American right too. In the early 1960 there was a cozy relationship between George Lincoln Rockwell (American Nazi Party) and Malcolm X (Black Muslims), the two most ant-Semitic US groups. Then again, after 9-11 the American Nazi Party was trying to cozy up to Islamic fundamentalist/terrorist groups in a joint anti-Semitic alliance – the Islamics hatred of the US and just about all in was apparently ignored. A redux of Hitler’s relationship with the Grand Mufti and the creation of his Muslim SS battalion – an abomination then and no less now.
    As for the rest of the Muslim world thinking of taking on Israel – if Israel plays the Samson Option there will be a lot more glass-topped parking space and a lot fewer residents in short order. Israel can, in a flash, easily undo the 50 years worth of progress the North African Muslims have made over the last few centuries.

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  13. Knuckledraggingwino says:

    I confess that while empathy and religious bligations compel me to be supportive of Israel, the worst part of me would enjoy witnessing the consternation in the American Jewish community if they had to witness the poverty pimp-in-chief whose candidacy they bankrolled aiding and abetting Israel’s destruction.

    The presumption that Israel would prevail is not founded in reality. The occupation of Zlebanon and operations in Gaza and the West bank demonstrate that the IDF of today is not the IDF that prevailed in ’67 or ’73 or rescued hostages at Entebbe. If these skirmishes escalate to war, Israel will be facing not just Syria and Iran (which would get free passage from Iraq) but Egypt which is armed with f-16s and Abrahms tanks, Iraq which recently received Abrahms tanks and Bradley IFVs, and Turkey which has F-16s and NATO backing. Since Obama has been backing the offensive operations of NATO allies, how much you bet that Obama backs NATO as NATO backs Turkey in an invasion of Israel?

    If these worst case predictions prove accurate, I will not be sympathetic ameRican Jews who are mourning their relatives who have died in the inevitable, second Halocaust that would result from Israel’s defeat. I will probably give them a good clubbing.

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    • floridianne says:

      We will pay a heavy price if our government backs the invasion of Israel. Heavy.

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    • czarowniczy says:

      `The IDF is fine, just as with the US the problems are not with the military, they are with the politicians who direct the military. Same goes for Egypt – just because they have some semi-modern weapon systems does not mean that they can effectively use them. The Egypt of the ’73 war was an Egypt with a heavy Soviet military presence, now they are not only on their own but led by a dicey government. Th Egyptians have weapon systems but not the latest, and the Israelis have the same or better and their systems have been updated with Israeli technology that rivals our own. The Israelis also train more with their combined arms forces than most Islamic nations around them do, and they take much better care of them. I can remember trying to explain preventive maintenance on a system to an Egyptian maint team – it was like trying to explain parallel parking to a duck. However, if the belligerents around Israel were to somehow overrun her, especially with help from nations such as Pakistan and Iran, the attackers will still have to deal with the alleged special IAF unit that will allegedly deliver 9 kinds of hell to their front doors, the alleged IRBMs she has that will gracefully arc into their neighborhoods and, last but not least, those strangely equipped German Dolphin-class submarines they keep floating around somewhere. Just because the ‘Arabs’ have close-to-modern military equipment does not mean they can effectively use it..

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      • Knuckledraggingwino says:

        No argument that the IDF has better quality armament and training. However; the Muslims have a huge numerical advantage plus NATO for technical support. Israel is dependent on reserves. How many reservists will be able to respond f the current rocket barrage is with. Thousands rather than hundreds of missiles and those missiles are loaded with gas smuggled out of Iraq and Libya? Israel has nukes. So does Pakistan. Israel’s IRBM’s and subs are not so secure if BHO decides that he wants to prevent escalation by tasking the USN with taking them out.

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        • czarowniczy says:

          Unless NATO has some new op plans I never saw or heard of any that would put NATO in the role of defending any of the Arab states; quite the contrary, their salvador would most likely be Russia trying to regain friendly basing ties in the North African countries. As for the IRBMs the US would have a difficult time – the YA-4 is road-mobile, supposedly MIRV capable and has a range that allegedly puts even North America in range. They are not going to put them out in the middle of a field where anyone could get at them and it would be hell on anyone (US included) who tried to breach Israeli air defense to roam around on strike missions. Then you’d have to find the ones secreted in underground sites and Israel doesn’t share their locations or how often they allegedly move them between sites. As for the Dolphins, a US attack on any of the growing number of allegedly nuke-armed tomahawk-type equipped Israel subs could well invoke a retaliatory strike against said aggressor by Israel. Given Israel’s past incidents where she has – um – acted against the US in situations where she has not wanted the US sticking its nose in I can’t see why she wouldn’t answer in kind. One of the alleged reasons US-Israeli relations were so testy at times during the Cold War was the US’s reluctance to help Israel in targeting her alleged nuke missiles at selected Russian sites. The IMI complex is every bit as good as its US counterparts, why do so many people want to so deeply underestimate Israeli military capabilities? Many Jewish scientists from Russia immigrated to Israel and Israel still manages to have taps into major US defense contractors. Israel managed to make over 400 modifications to the F-4 and keep it flying and maintain air superiority with it against Arabs flying far more modern European supplied aircraft. Underestimate Israel at your own peril.

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          • canadacan says:

            I absolutely agree the Israeli play their cards for a close to the chest and they wisely don’t give a damn about world opinion. the people that they have operating equipment in most of these other Mid Eastern countries are by and large very poorly educated as 1 of our commentators mentioned they
            Have very poor maintenance procedures

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            • canadacan says:

              Czar Was also the 1 who wrote the article about maintenance

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              • czarowniczy says:

                Yep, machines are the result of the culture that created them and giving them to another culture does not mean the recipient can effectively use them. To me it’s a lot like giving a chimp an M-16. He can use it as a club, maybe even shoot himself in the foot, but he ain’t gonna be winnin’ no Creedmore matches anytime soon. I recall the Russian jet fighters and a SAM site the Egyptians had at one base. They’d tow the fighters around for effect but they were so badly maintained that they could not fly. The SAM missile hadn’t been PM’d in years and the week before the traversing mechanism had finally gone south.
                The Iranians had F-4s just as the Israelis did. The Israelis managed to improve on a fighter that the US had declared obsolete, building their own parts and utilizing equipment and avionics available commercially as well as home-made. The Iranians flew theirs largely into the ground, mostly in as-is condition. Were it not for Russian military assistance Iran would find itself in a hole, but the Russians still need Iran for strategic reasons so they are largely support the Iranian military machine. If the US and Russia (to some extent China too) didn’t need the Mideast area it would still look a lot like it did in 1850.

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                • canadacan says:

                  The folks Who are in charge of operations like mossad are intellectuals. this is pretty basic stuff the population of the Middle East countries R 80 percent illiterate or close to it. they shoot little girls want to go to school. it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out

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          • Sharon says:

            Unless NATO has some new op plans I never saw or heard of any that would put NATO in the role of defending any of the Arab states;

            That’s problematic now–since Turkey is now a member of NATO and Turkish government has tipped Islamic.

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            • czarowniczy says:

              Turkey’s main problem, aside from the Kurds, is on the other side of the Bosporus, north and west of Turkey – Greece, and Greece is NATO also. Turkey knows its future lies with the EU, not the PU (Moslem states). At the fall of the Ottoman Empire Atatürk established modern Turkey as a western, secular state. Conveniently he was an Army officer and since then the Turkish army has always stood in the background to guarantee the Islamics would and could not wrest control away from the secular base. Israel and Turkey have done some joint stints and I would believe my aged mother would join in an attack on Israel (come to think of it, she is more likely ). Turkey has way too much to lose, both in getting nuked and losing EU/NATO membership to attack Israel.. The Turks will stay with NATO and the EU, they fought too hard and too long to throw membership away. The Islamic in Turkey will strut, dance and throw poop at the watchers but openly know, arguably, the nastiest and most effective killing machine in NATO, if not Europe and the Mideast, is watching just how far they go. And if you are thinking that one of the other Islamic countries in the area might attack Turkey, the only one with even a remote chance of taking her on is Iran and you don’t see Iran even coming close to egging Turkey on.

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              • Sharon says:

                I truly don’t see enough of the inter-relationships you mention to understand how it would play out, so appreciate you spelling out that perspective.

                Based on my limited understanding, I was not thinking any other nation would attack Turkey…more thinking that they couldn’t be depended on (because of the Islamic in their government) to stay out of anything that does stir up–figured they’d be in there messing around just to see what they might achieve for the long range Islamic goals.

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                • czarowniczy says:

                  Bottom line: Turkey is a secular state whose secular status is enforced by the military. Turkey won’t attack Israel and none of the other Muslim states would attack Turkey as it would bring on a NATO response. Turkey has Muslims in it just as Lebanon does, but as in Lebanon, it doesn’t have enough fundamentalist Islamics to cause an Iran-like revolution. Turkey has been a secular republic since the end of WW II and is more Western than Islamic and, unless something neutralizes the Army’s heavily armed oversight, it will remain secular. Turkeys two most immediate problems are the Kurds and, a more distant second, the Greeks/Cyprus. Outside of those two Turkey is fairly immune from any direct outside threats – those disposed to mess with the Turks also know that the Turks tend to use a scorched earth policy when dealing with enemies and scrupulously avoid messing with them. NATO so needs the Turks to seal the Bosporus and Dardanelles that it pretty much gives the Turks what they want (ask the Kurds what it’s like to be thrown under a NATO bus) and the Turkish government keeps the internal Islamic opposition at bay.. Turkey may make some minor complaints about some Israeli actions but no one I know believes Turkey would ever take part in any attack on Israel.

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  14. 22tula says:

    “Benghazi, Gaza, and Israel.. The Real Cover Up”
    By Danny Jeffrey – Freedom Rings 1776

    http://www.freedomrings1776.com/2012/11/benghazi-gaza-and-israelthe-real-cover.html#more

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  15. Alexandra M. says:

    My prayers to Israel. I feel privileged to live in the same community as Michael Medved—one of Israel’s most outspoken advocates. Michael is an amazing journalist, radio host and author. Just my opinion…but I really admire this gentleman!

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  16. Who here would put U.S. troops on the ground to protect Israel?

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    • ftsk420 says:

      I had a conversation about that today with a family member. I for one would not put any troops on the ground to protect Israel. If I was president I wouldn’t stick my nose in it at all. The U.S. has more then enough problems to deal with.

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      • Sanity 1 Lunacy 0
        Whew, for a minute there, I thought this site was filling up with Hagee followers.

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        • Sharon says:

          Israel doesn’t need the help of the U.S. The problem has been that the U.S. under obama has not been functioning toward them like an ally, creating obstacles that interfere with Israel’s own legitimate defense needs. The so-called peace treaty between Egypt and Israel is a hollow shell, and has been since Mubarak was removed (with the cooperation of our government).

          Do you have other names you want to drop besides (John) Hagee? Have some one-line zingers that you need to get out of your system aimed at Hal Lindsay? Come on–go ahead. Just belch it all out until you feel better. John Walvoord? DTS in general? Theodore Hax? What’s your take on John MacArthur? You’re silly.

          If you’re able, you might want to consider making friends with Christians/people of faith who support Israel for reasons connected to their faith that don’t have the tunnel vision and the one-note intensity of John Hagee. Your assumptions and projections reveal much about your conversational habits. Hint: Individuals who support Israel are not obligated to defend John Hagee.

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        • stellap says:

          horsefeathers – Look around you – you are in the minority here. Haters of Jews are not welcome here. Israel is our ally – get used to it.

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          • dreamerspirit says:

            Stella, I had not been aware until yesterday that there was a conspiracy theory that Israel had been involved in the World Trade Center attacks on 9/11. I had posted a question about it on this thread yesterday because I am new here and was so shocked when I stumbled across the information. I had wanted to know if that had ever been talked about here and who were all those “Israelis” that were arrested at that time? I am guessing they may have been corrupted by extremists just as have some American Christians have become servants to them. I definitely stand with Israel and pray that they may find some peace. These were the links I posted earlier in this thread that I think people like hossandfeffer base their claims on.

            Fox News unveils arrests of Israeli’s caught in possible covert operations in US pre 9/11
            attacks .

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=qeW-CRYr2u0

            Was Israel involved in the 9/11/12 attack on the World Trade Center?

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=qeW-CRYr2u0

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            • stellap says:

              This has been around as long as the other 911 Truther conspiracy theories. In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, it’s a big fat lie. Do your own research, though.

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              • Sharon says:

                What stellap said! BFL. People who hate Israel appreciate opportunities to express that hatred in any number of ways, the same as those who hate conservatives.

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                • dreamerspirit says:

                  Stella & Sharon, I was just surprised because I thought most of the conspiracy theorists said President Bush planned the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to invade Baghdad and get Saddam Hussien to accomplish what his daddy wasn’t able to do…oh, and because he wanted to protect his oil investments. LOL…I didn’t believe that and and I certainly do not believe Israel did it either. I don’t have to waste time researching such garbage.

                  Obama’s attitude toward Israel disgusts me.

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              • hossandfeffer says:

                Was the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty a lie? Killed 34 sailors.

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                • stellap says:

                  Well, the U.S.S. Liberty incident took place 45 years ago during the six-day war. Israel said it was an accident, for which they apologized, and paid more than $22,000,000 in reparations from 1968-1980.

                  Some people felt it was intentional. Since it was a U.S. Navy Technical research ship, I can’t imagine why they would intentionally attack the Liberty. You can believe what you like.

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          • hossandfeffer says:

            Thanks for stating the obvious.

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          • Alexandra M. says:

            AMEN !!

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  17. Mikado Cat says:

    The essence of war is uncertainty being tested. How well Israel can defend itself has uncertainty. How much damage Israel could deliver to its attackers has little uncertainty. Infrastructure it might take decades to restore could be destroyed in days.

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    • Sharon says:

      Oh, yeah. Israel has always had a weak military, confused military strategy–and that Mossad. Sheesh, they need to take lessons from our CIA. /sarc

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  18. akathesob says:

    My prayers to the true Jewish people in harms way in the middle east.

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  19. kateyleigh says:

    May the Lord God be with His people Israel. Amen. I’m certainly no Biblical scholar, but I recall it being said of the end times, that not a generation shall pass away after the birth of Israel. That could be seen as 1948. Those born in 1948 are now in theor 60’s.. Y’know…you just have to wonder…

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  20. WeeWeed says:

    My boss, whom we all know and love as “Godzilla,” heard a speaker last night speaking of this book – read the description of the contents. Looks quite interesting. “Eye To Eye,” by William Koenig.
    “..What do these major record-setting events have in common?
    • The ten costliest insurance events in U.S. history • The twelve costliest hurricanes in U.S. history • Three of the four largest tornado outbreaks in U.S. history • The two largest terrorism events in U.S. history

    All of these major catastrophes and many others occurred or began on the very same day or within 24-hours of U.S. presidents Bush, Clinton and Bush applying pressure on Israel to trade her land for promises of “peace and security,” sponsoring major “land for peace” meetings, making major public statements pertaining to Israel’s covenant land and /or calling for a Palestinian state.

    Are each one of these major record-setting events just a coincidence or awe-inspiring signs that God is actively involved in the affairs of Israel?

    In this book, Bill Koenig provides undeniable facts and conclusive evidence showing that indeed the leaders of the United States and the world are on a collision course with God over Israel’s covenant land.

    “And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem” (Zechariah 12:9)”

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    • Sharon says:

      That’s interesting stuff. I hadn’t been aware of Koenig–looks like another piece of good work connecting the dots. Go Godzilla! (this time! ;) )

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  21. hossandfeffer says:

    Now the Rapture is coming? Oh my, this site has filled up with lunatics.

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