Wednesday Open Thread – November 14th

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever and ever. Amen †

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143 Responses to Wednesday Open Thread – November 14th

  1. ZurichMike says:

    When I am feeling blue, as I am now with the current political / economic situation, and my continuing job search (the consulting job ended in October), this choral piece from Rachmaninov’s All-Night Vespers (“Rejoice, O Virgin”) lifts my spirits and makes me weep with joy (the base notes at 2:31 are amazing).

    • LandauMurphyFan says:

      Thank you, ZM. What a beautiful way to start the day!

      I wish you well in your job search, Mike. And for you and your loved ones this day, George Zimmerman, I wish the peace of God and the knowledge of His presence in your lives. All will be well. You are loved.

    • oriana88 says:


      Thank you so much for this beautiful hymn to the Mother of God. It has raised my spirits! My husband, a basso profundo, and I, an alto, have sung this exquisite “little” piece many times: in English and in a choir much smaller than this one. The Vespers are a true gem.

      And I love the picture for this thread. We visited Arlington a few years ago and were altogether impressed by how our American neighbours honour their war dead: we have nothing like that here. (I’m Canadian.)

      The results of your president’s horrendous stewardship have not yet impacted us seriously–but they will. Like you, the result of the latest election has left me very anxious and unsettled. I’m praying! God bless America.

    • Sha says:

      zurichmike: You already have the most powerful tool around on your side ” the power of prayer”. Repeat after me …. I will find something even better than what I had before. God shuts one door only to open another. Let me know about that new job you get I’ll be waiting. (Speak things as if they were not as they are)

  2. dreamerspirit says:

    Has someone posted this already? Marxist Conference Linked to Chicago Union Teacher Strike

  3. stellap says:

    Scary movie about what “death panels” will be like (Oregon health system):

  4. GracieD says:

    One of my co-workers actually told me that Death Panels were Unconstitutional! This person voted for Zippy, and is willfully ignorant. I could only say, you better hope the SCOTUS holds that it is Unconstitutional!

  5. WeeWeed says:

    Hump day, peeps! Those worthless a$$clowns we call congress are back at work. Ramirez.


    • texan59 says:

      With all due respect to my dear friend Pat – how can anyone up in DC be proud when they look out and see they are well on their way to turning the entire Country into Detroit. :evil:

    • texan59 says:

      I don’t. Mornin’ all. :)

    • John Denney says:

      The left thinks? For instance, as pointed out by areyoualive in the presser thread:

      “Before today the President has always argued that he called Benghazi a terrorist attack. Today he defends Susan Rice by saying, he told her to tell the world that the attack was because of the movie.
      I guess if you’re the President, you can be right taking both sides of any argument, and be right both times.”

    • gretchenone says:

      I read the first interview with RI and I’m not buying what he’s selling. Just more of the same…telling people what they want to hear…and after the fact at that.

    • Sharon says:

      I agree, Gretchenone….at least it’s not inconvenient for him to participate with Ulsterman’s readers. That’s so nice.

      • Omar says:

        I agree with gretchenone as well! I’m also not buying it. Just another politician selling platitudes and reinforcing the GOP policy of playing nice while the other side rapes, loots, plunders and kills. I posted a nice long comment there….but it never showed up. Oh well, some of the other folks expressed the same sentiments in the comments section.

        • Sharon says:

          I’ve never succeeded at commenting there. The initial process goes fine, but it never posts…the little whirlygig just keeps whirlygiggin’!

          • Omar says:

            I copied & pasted, refreshed page, and got as far as actually seeing my comment, along with my gravitar appear on the page with a heading that read, “your comment is awaiting moderation”. I guess I am either too blunt, or I didn’t pass the moderation test for some reason…..even though I didn’t use profanity, I didn’t insult anyone, and I used analogy rather than finger pointing. I guess some clubs are just too darned exclusive for patriots like us. Oh well, I prefer the tree anyway.

  6. ctdar says:

    Now breaking: When Broadwell home was searched the other day boxes and boxes of classified state secrets have been found inside..the WH had no idea of the affair? WTF
    Is the Obama Administration the Keystone Cops? Entire administration should be impeached for stupidity and failure to uphold the Constitution.

  7. ctdar says:

    Ok (as per offhand remark by DH)was Paula Broadwell a plant to compromise Petraeus from the start or as Rielle Hunter (videographer) affair turned novelist as cover?
    From what I can find “All in” is Broadwells first book that she has authored. How does such a novice who needed a ghostwriter have access to such a high ranking historical officer as Petraeus that would need the obvious top security clearances? Was she even vetted ?

    • ctdar says:

      Alinsky/Obama Administration of the destruction of the US Constitution

      …take over main stream media – check
      …take over government & subsequent elections – check
      …take over financial institutions – check
      …take over fuel, energy resources – check
      …take over education system – check
      ….dismantle Supreme Court – pending
      …dismantle Military – pending

    • Mikado Cat says:

      Read her bio/resume she is not an author, but she has serious anti terror creds. OTOH I have no idea what her formal security level is, but she is clearly in the inner circle that actually knows stuff.

      The speech we see her giving was not a public event at a generic college.

  8. texan59 says:

    No kidding.

    Here’s my money quote – “At Tuesday’s briefing Carney said Obama insists on raising taxes on the wealthy, because the revenue (from higher taxes) is needed to “invest (spend) in crucial areas” of the economy.”
    :evil: :evil:

    • WeeWeed says:

      Reminded me of a tweet from Iowahawk –

      “..CBO: allowing Bush tax cuts to expire would (maybe) get $40B in revenues. Confiscating Harvard’s endowment would definitely get $31B.”

      I’m fer that! :D

    • michellc says:

      I think it was you who posted the article the other day about taxing Hollywood.

      I’m going to start an e-mail blast to all Rs that the people demand Hollywood share in the burden, tax movies, tax salaries for making movies, dvds, tv movies, cds, tax trust funds, yachts, remove the deduction for state and local taxes, limit deduction for charity, limit mortgage reduction to 250,000, change the tax exempt status guidelines for non-profits, if any person makes a salary over that of a freshman congressman then they lose their tax exempt status.
      It’s only fair Hollywood and non-profit executives wanted more tax increases, they wanted Obama, so let them pay their fair share.

      • michellc says:

        BTW I’m not stupid enough to think they’ll listen to me.

      • dreamerspirit says:

        Hollywood doesn’t even make pictures in California if they can avoid it. The taxes, wage laws for movie extras, and land costs, etc. make it so cost prohibitive. When Granholm was Michigan’s Governor, she granted Hollywood producers some sweet deals to film pictures here. We had huge empty manufacturing plants that they converted into sound stages and even Clint Eastwood filmed Gran Torino in the Detroit area. Unfortunately for the Michigan taxpayers we actually lost money on most of these propositions, but Jennifer sure enjoyed all that notoriety. The Hollywood elite, like most liberals like spending other people’s money, and the super rich who tax shelter their incomes are not worried about Obama’s tax increases.

        It has been proven time and again, raising taxes on the wealthy does not create more revenue. Most of the very wealthy have already taken steps to protect their income and investments. It will be the small business owners, the real job creators that will suffer.

        • michellc says:

          But if they’re being taxed 20% like after the war then they can’t avoid it. I think tax increases are going to be a fact of life, so Hollywood and non-profits should be fine with paying their fair share and Republicans should have enough sense(okay that’s funny) to turn the tables on Obama and his cronies, it’s just unpatriotic for them to not pay a little more.

          • dreamerspirit says:

            Yes, we will see tax increases. Many small businesses will close their doors as will your little non-profits like ours that is a small animal welfare, rescue and pet adoption program that my husband primarily funds because we could never keep it going based on the donations received. For some reason people think of non-profits as big churches, Red Cross, United Way…with huge staffs and CEO’s. They never think of all the little community groups that are run by volunteers and depend on donations to survive. As far as the government employees, do they have to be covered under Obamacare, Medicare, or pay Social Security taxes? Nope…they are exempt from these programs and taxes. What makes you think they won’t find a way to exempt themselves from the new code?
            The Warren Buffets and Bill Gates could care less about their tax rate going from 15% to 20% and the millionaires in Hollywood, like Bill Maher, Jennifer Lopez, they tax shelter what they can and will pay what they have to…no big deal. They are truly rich. Small business owners are the ones that will suffer and anyone that does not understand that will soon suffer the consequences that this tax increase will have on these job creators.

            • michellc says:

              And I’m sure you don’t make a salary higher than a congressman. You know as well as I do that most non-profits like PETA and HSUS when it comes to the animal end of non-profits spend the majority of their budget on salaries and the rest on lobbying. The same with all the environmental groups. The majority of non-profits are lefties. So if my taxes have to go up then they should share my burden, if you make a huge salary to be an executive of a non-profit then your non-profit should not be allowed to keep your tax exempt status if you can pay your executives more than the salary of a congressman then you can afford to pay taxes.
              So that would be my limit on any one person working for a non-profit that their salary can not be more than a congressman or they can’t be classified as a non-profit.

              I never wanted tax increases, I worked my ass off to try and prevent Obama being reelected. I worked my ass off to send a non-politician, businessman to congress, so if I have to pay then all those non-profits living off the fatted calf and donating money to democrats can pay as well. The same with Hollywood.

              BTW I am a small business owner, so I know better than anyone what taxes and regulations do to small business owners. Obama has us holding on by our fingernails and have no idea if we’ll survive another 4 years.

              As for businesses closing their doors, and true small non-profits closing their doors, it’s sure as hell not my fault. Blame the takers, all I’m saying is for them to do their patriotic duty and belly up to the table and asking brain dead Republicans to play the Democrats’ game.

              • michellc says:

                I just reread what I wrote and I came off more hateful than I meant to.
                I wasn’t even the one who came up with the idea of how for Republicans to play the Democrats game, just think it makes a lot of sense.

                So no offense meant to you, if I could have my way there would be tax cuts for everyone who pays taxes but I don’t get my way.

                • Sharon says:

                  Until spending cuts are accepted as necessary for dealing with debt, there will not ever be a tax cut. Ever.

                  Dave Ramsey for Secretary of the Treasury.

                  • michellc says:

                    We live in the Obama America from now until it breaks imho and we will have increased spending and taxes every year.
                    Any hope of spending cuts now is a pipe dream.

                    I read he’s now calling for double the tax increases than what he was asking for.

                  • Sharon says:

                    I understand that completely. It just doesn’t seem like most conservatives/normal Americans/Congressmen understand it, because they talk far more about the level of taxation than they do about spending cuts.

                  • michellc says:

                    Well I don’t how normal I am. Many of my friends and family think I’m more than a little nuts.
                    But I’ve always known we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem, which is probably why I seem nuts to some because I know since spending has left the debate unless it’s increased spending, common sense says we can’t last much longer. Tax increases will just make the SHTF sooner as more of the unemployed become wards of the state.

                    I still the author of the article though has a good plan for the Rs to use in the short term.

                    I wish I could say it will make a difference but it won’t. I thought it was too late on the morning of November 7th and I haven’t witnessed anything to change my opinion. I would just like to see some of those who voted for our destruction to squirm a little before I’m too busy trying to survive.

                  • Sharon says:


              • dreamerspirit says:

                My husband is a small business owner too. He started his business over 40 years ago, after serving in the Navy and then spending eight years in college obtaining his DVM. Now like you he is struggling to keep the doors open. Unfortunately due to major health issues, I am no longer able to work. Our only income is from my husband’s small business. Our little non-profit has no paid employees. My husband does not draw a salary of any kind from it, no one does…we have an all volunteer staff. Infact, he actually donates much of his time, services and use of his facility rent free to it because it is a cause we believe in. It was started as a labor of love, not to make us any money. What little donations we receive never come close to covering operational costs…my husband and I just eat the costs. We don’t mind “belling up” or “paying our fair share”, but we do mind wasteful spending and seeing our business going down the drain because of Obama’s rotten policies that are killing our economy and punishing small business owners. Sorry if I don’t want to just go silently into that dark night; I may have to go there, but I will go kicking and screaming all the way. Nothing personal…that is just me.

                • michellc says:

                  I think you’re on a totally different page than I am. I do not support tax increases or spending increases. I didn’t say for you or your husband to belly up and pay their fair share and I think you’re putting the non-profit fat cats on the same level as your small non-profit.
                  What I and the author of the article I’m referring to is democrats play the game that spending cuts is forcing old people into the streets and kids going to bed hungry at night and taxing the rich is the patriotic and Christian thing to do to make sure we take care of the little guy. Turn the tables on them beat them at their own game and instead of the business owners not paying their fair share, the Hollywood people who pushed this nightmare on us and the non-profits whose only purpose in life is to line their pockets while pushing their pet projects down our throats aren’t paying their fair share. Point out how unfair it is to the little guy that they skirt taxes putting the burden on the little guy, look at that mansion they live in that they get to write off, that yacht that the little guy could never dream to own, those trust funds that would feed all the hungry kids. In the meantime give the folks who wanted Obama to pay the price for getting what they want.
                  Turn Hollywood and the so called non-profits, not the little animal shelter in town or the church pantry, into the villains like the democrats have done to the job creators.

            • Sharon says:

              Just bringing it back over to the left, michellc: I completely understand what your perspective is. Mine is the same. Until those with the authority to DO something about it are talking about spending cuts instead of fighting over tax rates, nothing will change…I could have said it much simpler! …. We just need to keep in mind that US talking it and having some level of practical wisdom about it, and finding others who agree with us, does not change anything.

              • michellc says:

                Sometimes what I mean doesn’t translate so well in

                Just know we’re always on the same side and agree pretty much on what our country needs and I think pretty much agree Washington as a whole just like our country as a whole is not going to do it. The only difference in Washington is I believe the people who know what has to be done are even more outnumbered in Washington than we are out here in the wilderness.
                I know the guy we just elected is already getting frustrated and he’s not even been sworn in yet. I guess Washington insiders aren’t too welcoming if you’re not immediately willing to go along to get along. I’m not really sure of the who, when and where or what was said but one of his insiders let me know he’s already facing a battle and he hasn’t even had time to put his war boots on yet.

                • Sharon says:

                  It’s not just that conservative are outnumbered. They’re not even presenting a bump in the road, to use obama’s description of four murdered Americans. Even those we do have there aren’t fighting as individuals. Now if they want to patiently explain to me that “it’s not that simple, we have to deal with blah blah blah…” I understand that. It doesn’t change my point. They are not fighting as individuals for whatever reason, and if they are not prepared or able to do that, there’s no reason to keep electing them.

                  In my opinion. We’ve known for years how the conservatives get co-opted the minute they’re elected. Seems to me that those running for office now ought to have figured that out. Maybe I’m just a terrible person.

                  That will have to be a vetting question in the future, if we have a future as a representative Republic: “You, Mr. Conservative, if you are elected, please tell us your plan for (a) avoiding being co-opted by the RINOs and (b) being effective as an individual even if you are refused plum committee assignments.”

                  If they don’t have a plan for those realities, there’s really no point in electing them at this point. My opinion.

                  • michellc says:

                    I know I’ve heard in the past but not through anything near even 3rd or 4th hand they have the power to shut down one voice and will shut it down so I don’t know how much one can do or even a handful can do. I’m not excusing any of them but I don’t what they can do if the higher ups ignore them and keep them from doing anything.

                    But then I’ve always also thought when they get to Washington they castrate them and give them a lobotomy.

                  • Sharon says:

                    I’m not sure at this point that they can do anything. I hope they are aware of that when they run for the office, to spare themselves some angst based on faulty expectations. It’s a nightmare for the conscientious among them, I’m sure. And I know for a fact no one could catch me running for anything like that, even if I were qualified. God bless them and help them.

    • Sharon says:

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

      obama and his minions are exactly like the arsonists who set fires that cause the deaths of hundreds of people, with the intention of returning when it’s at full blaze, manning a hose, and yelling at bystanders to get out of the way while he saves everybody.

      He is an absolutely evil piece of human debris.

      • dreamerspirit says:

        Michelle and Sharon, I understand what you are saying and I too wish we could hold all those that voted for Obama personally accountable. My point was simply that taxing Jennifer Lopez, Warren Buffet and PETA on par with your local community pantry and your small business owner like you, Michelle or my husband, will never have the same impact on their lives or organizations. They will survive just fine. The small business owner who has been hanging on by a thread or the local community pantry may just be forced to close up shop. People who say that businesses will just pass the tax increase on to the consumer, do not realize it is not that simple for all small businesses. If times are hard and fewer consumers are coming through the door, raising your prices won’t solve your problem. If you aren’t too big to fail you are of no concern to Obama.

        I do not have much hope for Congress holding out for deep spending cuts except in areas that Obama wants to downsize such as defense. He is truly evil Sharon, and now that he has been reelected his evil ways will be more rampant.

        • Sharon says:

          Yeah….and this is where I realize I need to use some sense and not go to a point where I start thinking in terms of “revenge” because obviously that then becomes an issue within myself. Not good times. Not good at all.

  9. texan59 says:

    I borrowed this from one of our Treepers over on FB. h/t g8trmom.

  10. Bijou says:

    Good morning, Treepers.
    I’m sure many of you are familiar with conservative blogger and prolific commenter, “Amusing Bunni”.
    Well…I’m very sad to report that she is extremely sick, and need prayers and support.
    Please read this post from Zilla.
    (I apologize if this has already been covered.)

    • 22tula says:

      Dear Bijou,
      I am sorry to hear about your friend. I don’t know Your friend, or know if She would be open to this. (I posted this link before – it’s long).
      This is Janet Vitt, and her story.
      Part 1

      Part 2

      Janet’s remarried
      Janet Vitt-Sommer today
      Cancer Cancer Support – Latest News – Cancer Support – Parkside

      What I like about Her story is that she used traditional medicine & alternative. She didn’t fire her Doc. Also that she had the Practitioner/Counselor come to the house and her Sister did all the cooking. I don’t think she can do it on her own. When your are sick it’s hard to concentrate and learn new things. Plus this diet can seem complicated and foreign. Maybe she call call Janet for advice.

      I think that Janet’s Video was filmed @ the ChurchKushi Institute

      Video 1

      Video 2

      Macrobiotic Community of Chicago, IL
      If You scroll down to Professional Services you will see under Visiting Counselors and Cooking Teachers – John Kozinski

      John Kozinski – Maybe he can do an inhouse visit. If he is not available, maybe he could recommend someone in the Chicago area.


      John Kozinski

      I do not know, or am affiliated with the people posted above. So if You feel that your Friend would be open to this than please pass it on to her. I felt funny, posting this; since I do not know her. But heck, this is her life. So I think it is worth a try. But make sure she includes her Medical Doctor, if She decides to try this. Take Care & God Bless You and Your Friend.

    • stellap says:

      I just saw this on Facebook, posted by Michelle’s Mirror. So sad. I understand she only has 3-6 months to live; stage 5 liver cancer.

  11. michellc says:

    Just checked out the petitions to secede and almost all states now want to secede, except for Connecticut and Maryland and Alaska who took a different approach and asked for the state’s citizens to vote. That’s not going to work folks, we have to have some rules or there is no point in seceding.
    Congratulations to Texas, you’re almost to 100,000 signatures. 7 states have over 25,000 signatures now, Texas of course, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina.
    Some funny or interesting petitions depending on your POV.
    Affirm North Carolina remain in union. 342 signatures.

    Force states to pay their share of the national debt before they can secede. 1724

    Deport everyone that signed a petition to withdraw their state from the United States. 14,492

    Strip citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them. 8664(where they going to deport/exile us to?)

    Grant the city of Austin, Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas and remain part of the United States. 3968

    Impeach Obama-3622

    Allow any American to opt out of Obamacare. 8249

    Repeal Obamacare. 21,829

    And 3262 Americans want to remove “In God We Trust” from currency and remove “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance.

    • texan59 says:

      I hope you realize this is all just a fun little exercise for folks to vent their frustrations. I live in TX and have for most of the last 30 years. We aren’t going anywhere, nor is anyone else. Perry joked about it last year, but it ain’t gonna happen. As many of us have said over the last few days, I’m not gonna put my name on something like this either. Call me paranoid, but I don’t need to provide any more reasons for anyone snooping around my door. I’ve already done enough on this site and FB for them to show up any day and make me den leader at the FEMA camp. ;)

      • michellc says:

        Nope we’re all going to crash together.

        If I honestly thought we could leave this new Obama America I would sign every red state’s petition, but I have a little paranoia as well when it comes to the Obama government.

        I told you though I’m not going to a FEMA camp unless it’s in a body bag. Now they’re probably going to show up at my door to test that theory.

  12. cajunkelly says:

    Strip citizenship from everyone who signed a petition to secede and exile them. 8664(where they going to deport/exile us to?)

    Strip my citizenship? I’m Cherokee. That jackass in the office can’t/won’t prove his citizenship and mine is BY BIRTH and BY BLOODSHED.

    Exile me? My arse….the creater of the petition has less right to be here than *I* do unless she/he is Native American (doubtful) as well.


    • michellc says:

      I have a CDIB unlike that crazy chick who got special treatment for being a fake. I got white blood as well though, so I guess they can exile the white part. lol

      That is our out though Kelly to Obamacare, we be one of those special folks who got an exemption from Obamacare.

      If things don’t improve soon I might qualify for commodities, they sure would add to my prepper supply. lol
      I’m just kidding folks, although man that is a prepper’s dream place. lol

      • cajunkelly says:

        Oh I have an additional insulation against the obamadeathpanels….our Governor here REFUSES to implement it. He says, and he’s correct, that it’s not neded here in LA, as we have an extensive network of charity hospitals. In addition there is “LACHIP” which is health and dental care for children. Of course if we succeed in seceding, LACHIP will be lost, as it’s Federally funded, but hey, if we stop piping our assets (oil/gas) across state lines we can afford our own LACHIP type program.

        • Sharon says:

          As I understand it, the death panel operates at the federal level, and resources will be provided according to their decisions. The states don’t have any say so about it.

          Like Tex said above, nobody’s seceding. Fun to think about, but they’ll move their people into the places of authority in any state that seriously approaches that line. We have a lot of folks who “think right” (all nuances of the word) but don’t have personal courage. Right thinking without personal courage doesn’t win wars.

          • cajunkelly says:

            (shrug again) Well I kinda think it took courage for me to sign the petition.


            ….mumbles something about “begins with a single step”

            • Sharon says:

              Yeah, I know. There are a bunch of folks who think signing the petition is an actual solution to the problem, and some of them might read our conversation…sorry if I come across as poking at you. :( Not intentional.

  13. cajunkelly says:


    I like your new Latin header, but I wish you’d add to it.

    Don’t Let The Bastards Grind You Down

    Commonly translated to:
    il ligitime non corborundum

    But more correctly translated to:
    Nolite spurios te contundere

    I know I’m not alone in feeling so defeated, so demoralized and so depressed. A constant reminder that “they” *ARE* bastards, and we should *not* let them grind us to dust under their heels would be much appreciated.

    • stellap says:

      The latin header is a quote from a letter by Sam Adams to a fellow patriot, pre-revolution: never despair.

      • cajunkelly says:

        I’m aware of that….just thought the additional quote to be appropriate.


        • stellap says:

          I know you understand the Latin – just that the simple expression makes a more powerful statement, I think. Just a matter of opinion (no criticism intended).

          • cajunkelly says:


            It was a simple suggestion. (sigh) It was in no way a *request* type wish. That phrase is one DH and I have used many times over the years and, in fact, DH had it printed and taped to the monitor on his desk for a few years during some of his darkest days.

            I’ll just repeat…YMMV….and yeah, I kinda felt like I got double tapped there…

            Disclaimer; I in no way meant to imply that I’m proficient in Latin. Far from it.

            guess I’ll go eat some worms….(grin)

  14. Mikado Cat says:

    Increasing the tax on the rich will make the rich, richer. Any increases in costs to a business that equally effects everyone in that type of business will be passed on to their customers, and not just the tax increase, but an increase large enough to achieve the same profit margin. The business makes the same percentage profit, but due to the cost of the added tax the base amount increases, so the profit in dollars increases. The rich get richer, and the consumer pays both the tax and the increased profit.

  15. cajunkelly says:

    Andrew Wilkow predicts that 20 MILLION people will lose their jobs by April 2013.

    He says he has seven million employees over all, and he’s moving his business overseas. Don’t know all the specifics, just relating what DH said when he was listening to him on the way home for lunch a bit ago.

    He also mentioned that he sure as hell does pay his fair share of taxes, and mentioned the millions he pays in diesel fuel alone every six days….he owns a transportation business.

    We are *SO* fubar’d folks…you preppers need to shore up your reserves, on *everything* edible, drinkable and shootable, NOW.

    • cajunkelly says:

      In addition, I expect any day to hear Rush announce that he’s bugging out. I think this will be repeated by the wealthy all across he nation. They have the means to say eff it, I’ve had enough, I’m taking me and mine to Belize, etc.

      I’ma tell ya now, if I had the wherewithall to do so, I’d bug out for four years, or until the voters regain their intellect and THROW the jackasses OUT of Washington…R and D alike. There’s not a fart in a whirlwind’s difference between the two.

      • Sharon says:

        I think the wealthy who are going to bug out had better do sooner rather than later. It will take another Executive Order for him to create a new Law of the Land under which no one take move money out of the country–and if they have moved money already–they can be subject to “clawback” procedures such as was used by the MF Global a year ago–after they lost hundreds of millions of client money and discovered that some of the clients had been astute enough to get some moved out just in time to avoid loss, there were actually policies and procedures already in place by which they had the legal right to demand that the clients return it. Didn’t always succeed, but the mechanisms were in place…that’s why it was called what it was and there actually is a word for it: clawback.

        I understand what you mean, CK, but….regain their intellect? …gonna have to think about that! ;)

  16. michellc says:

    Read this at IOTW.

    Congratulations to the Democrats, the Young People, all the Single Ladies, Blacks and Hispanics!

    You now own it, lock, stock and barrel. We now know that we are out-numbered and you may vote yourselves anything you would like, without worries; and……

    The next terrorist attack, you own it. Can’t get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama’s EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Soviet Union and other enemies of the USA, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico with no enforcement, you own it. Trouble getting good health care, you own it.

    Higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. No budget, you own it. Our allies-especially Israel- mistrusting us, you own it. Another 4-trillion of debt, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, you own it. More dependency on food stamps, you own it. Trouble finding good employment, you own it. Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it.

    A World Government, you own it. The UN governing the United States, instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is “Dead on Arrival”, you own it. China controlling our world trade, trampling all over us, while taking our jobs, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past due to more regulations, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it. A Supreme Court that will make you happy in every way, you own it. Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it. Your President who was not raised with any love for this country, you own it.

    Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies, you own it. Government controlled mass media, you own it. More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Your revenge and hate against me, instead of love of country, you own it.

    President George Bush is out of it now, and there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way I am relieved that another good and decent man will not be blamed when it was nearly impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Don’t call us for help when everything begins to fall apart, because most of us old white guys will not be around. Most of whatever money we have left will be out of your taxing reach….as well as our ammunition.

    Have a good day. God bless the United States!

    God is your only hope now, but you mock him as well, and won’t ask for his Blessings, so….please, will the last person left, remember to turn off the lights?

    • aliashubbatch says:

      I’m hispanic and I own none of this. I told my family members about everything I could remember, from F&F to Benghazi, increases in the price of goods and services…my parents told me to relax and trust God. It is one thing to pray for the best and prepare for the worst, but doing nothing… I can’t even think of what words are proper!
      My brother even after claiming to have researched the things I told him about, would still have the audacity to say that “it Bush’s fault”, and vote for that man who calls himself Barack Obama out of willful ignorance, just to spite me for daring to crititize THAT DEMON.
      For reasons I cannot understand, I can’t hold a grudge against them for this… the anger is there, but I cannot just show it. I have no clue what is wrong with me. :(

      • texan59 says:

        Never be angry with your family. They will need someone with a level head when everything goes haywire. You’re it. Just make sure that when you have to divvy your stuff up that you get just a little bit bigger piece.

        As for your brother and his research, ask him to show it to you. Take him to gov’t. sites that will refute everything he says. You don’t have to take him to Rush or Fox. There are plenty of places that put all of this info in plain view. You can ague with emotions. You just can’t do it with facts. Make him back everything up with facts. Tell them that until they can show you how it’s Bush’s fault, that you are gonna have to respectfully disagree. Just the facts.

      • Sharon says:

        I would guess there’s nothing wrong with you, alias. In your brother, you have an example of a human being “deciding.” He has decided what to believe, as we all do. Unfortunately, the things upon which he has based his decision are highly flawed. That is exactly why it matters so much whether we are dealing with ideas and words that are true, or ideas and words that are not true.

        All of us “decide” what to believe based on information that we are receiving: again, that is why the source of our information matters hugely. If the sources are wrong, the decidings will be wrong. The burden is not on you to talk him out of his decidings. Just keep being you. I would guess that if he ever begins to discover the flaws in his conclusions, you are high on the list of those to whom he will go for conversation. A little hug for you: (aliashubbatch)

        • aliashubbatch says:

          I’m tearing up over these comments, thank you both.

          • texan59 says:

            Show your brother this picture. Ask him what he sees. When he tells you, respond by telling him that just because it’s on the internet, that doesn’t make it so. We all know that these don’t really exist. Even if we want them to. Baby steps. One at a time.


    • texan59 says:

      I would only change the intro to – If you voted for Obama, you own it. There were plenty of whites who had to vote for this turd.

    • cajunkelly says:

      They own it? Surely you jest…

      It’s Bush’s fault.

  17. Sharon says:

    I have frequently mentioned (and will continue to) my current reading of Bonhoeffer:Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy. He was a Lutheran pastor in German who stood against the Nazis early on, challenged the dishonest Lutheran church to challenge Hitler (they wouldn’t); formed a group called “the confessing church” who would confess truth no matter what Hitler did to them. He eventually had to see that they were still trying “hedge their bets” as they struggled to keep on “confessing their faith” without seriously crossing the Reich, as they saw the pressure on themselves, their own lives and those of their families. By 1939, Bonhoeffer had become a double agent in Canaris’s counterespionage service, the Abwehr.

    On June 14, 1940, Hitler Marched into Paris, and France collapsed three days later. Bonhoeffer and his friend Erhard Bethge were in Eastern Prussia that day visiting other pastors, and were caught in an outdoor cafe when the radio news came that France had surrendered.

    Author Eric Metaxas describes what happened next:

    Twenty-two years after German’s humiliation, Hitler had turned the tables.

    People went wild. Some of them leaped up and stood on chairs, others stood on tables. Everyone threw out his arm in the Nazi salue and burst into “Deutschland uber Alles” and then the “Horst Wessel Song.” It was a pandimonium of patriotism, and Bonhoeffer and Bethge were pinned like beetles. At least Bethge was. Bonhoeffer, on the other hand, seemed to be a part of it. Bethge was flabbergasted: along with everyone else, his friend stood up and threw out his arm in the “Heil, Hitler!” salue. As Bethge stood there gawking, Bonhoeffer whispered to him: “Are you crazy! Raise your arm! We’ll have to run risks for many different things, but this silly salute is not one of them!”

    It was then, Bethge realized, that Bonhoeffer crossed a line. He was “behaving conspiratorially.” Metaxas explains further, “He wanted to be left alone to do the things he knew God was calling him to do, and these things required him to remain unnoticed.”

    Part of Bonhoeffer’s thinking was explained in his own writing in 1935:

    Thus we were approaching the borderline between confession and resistance; and if we did not cross this border, our confession was going to be no better than cooperation with the criminals. And so it became clear where the problem lay for the Confessing Church: we were resisting by way of confession, but we were not confessing by way of resistance.

    Dietrich Bonhoeffer died by hanging on April 9, 1945, just weeks before Hitler’s final defeat.

  18. texan59 says:

    We should all be sending a copy of this letter to our local and State republican officials.

  19. texan59 says:

    This loser Carter kid is still humpin’ it lookin’ for a job! :twisted:

  20. Josh says:


    If you’d like to support Allen in his effort to protect every vote, please make checks payable to “Allen West For Congress, Recount Fund and mail to: PO Box 1108, Stuart, FL 34994

    The West for Congress—Recount Fund is separate from the election effort of 2012. Donors can donate $2,500 per person and $5,000 per PAC. Any contribution to the recount fund does NOT go against your 2012 or 2014 federal campaign limits. Online contributions are for the campaign account, not the recount fund.

  21. Sharon says:

    Mark Levin just said, “…..the president must comply with the Constitution…..” as he was making comments about the lack of information re Benghazi.

    My immediate response, out loud, was “No, he doesn’t.” We’ve gotta stop saying what he “must” do. The leverages of authority that would have provided enforcement (our old checks and balances idea???) are no longer function. So that statement IS NO LONGER TRUE.

    Until we are clear on how far gone we are, there’s absolutely no change of salvaging anything.

    Who’s gonna make him “comply with the Constitution”? I really would like to hear an answer to that question. I really would.

    • Josh says:

      I asked the same thing, Sharon.

    • michellc says:

      It won’t be congress and it won’t be SCOTUS.

    • dreamerspirit says:

      I don’t know how you all feel, but based on his past actions and the total lack of response from our Congress to take any action, it seems Obama considers himself more of a dictator with unfettered authority than a president that is part of system of checks and balances. I think Diane Feinstein, a staunch democrat, got a real wake up call when she realized Obama had totally circumvented her in his FBI probe into Patraues and his unilateral decision to accept his resignation without following normal protocol. It thought, well Diane, welcome to Obama’s world of transparency. Now maybe she knows how the republicans felt when they were literally locked out of all negotiations on Obamacare.

      • Sharon says:

        Obama stated in a public radio interview in the late 90’s that his great problem with our Constitution is the limitations it places on government, in that the majority of its liberties are “negative liberties,” IOW stating what government may not do. He didn’t like it one bit and was saying so publicly over 10 years ago.

        He has absolutely no intention of honoring a Republic set up with a system of checks and balances. I find it almost impossible to grasp that in January he will, very likely , say the oath of office again, and absolutely not mean a word of it. Just like last time.

        • dreamerspirit says:

          I know Sharon. He basically hates everything that represents a free Republic. Now that he no longer has to worry about getting reelected any restraint he may have exercised is no longer necessary. I am so frightened for the havoc that his evil mind and the forces that propelled him to power have planned to implement quietly and with stealth. I know there are somethings going on we are aware of, but much more is going on in a covert manner that will blindside us. Sometimes I think this whole Benghazi affair isn’t just a smoke screen they created to divert our attention so the powers that be can concentrate on their objectives while everyone is chasing this rabbit.

  22. Josh says:

    Jeff Landry’s race for a Congressional seat is still ongoing in Louisiana. The vote is in early December 2012. Mark Levin backs him. So will I.

  23. cajunkelly says:

    Speaking of courage…after much discussion and praying, I’ve decided that I’m through beating my brains out, working in pain daily and undergoing epidurals repeatedly just to be able to work, and seeing the taxes I pay go to those riding the wagon I’m helping to pull…

    I’m contacting an attorney next week….damn ‘em to hell and be gone, I qualify (over qualify actually) and so I’m filing for disability.

    And yes, this *is* courage since it’s a life changing decision for us. I’m tired, disillusioned and in pain, so I refuse to continue to feed the lazy, guzzling fat assed 47% beast any longer.

    • Sharon says:

      I hope that there will be some stress relief for you, perhaps just as a result of making the decision? Once you have enough impossible choices put in front of you, ….. yeah. God bless you, and good wishes and it unfolds. Hard to imagine what kind of hoops they’ll make you jump through, no matter the limitations. Go for it!

      • cajunkelly says:

        And the hoops are why I’m not even doing the first file without benefit of legal counsel.

        I’m tired….physically and politically. Someone else can take my place in pulling the wagon.
        I’ve worked all my life, from the day I got out of school…that’s enough wagon pulling.

        • dreamerspirit says:

          God be with you. I am sure it was not an easy decision to make. Constant pain and deteriorating health present surprising challenges. I will keep you in my prayers and hope things are resolved expeditiously so you may avoid undue stress or hardship.

  24. Sharon says:


    First, states that adopt these massively-expanded entitlements will become magnets for low-income people. Many will choose to move to states where they can get “free” healthcare—meaning healthcare paid for by other people.

    Second, doctors and healthcare providers will flock to states that resist these big-government programs, since doctors will be free there to practice medicine as they know best, without bureaucratic controls. So “Obamacare states” will see a growing shortage of doctors, while free-market states will see an increasing abundance of doctors. This trend will only accelerate if these states also enact medical tort reform and other pro-doctor laws.

    Consequently, successful professionals—and especially those with young families—will increasingly gravitate to the free-market states. Just as parents look at the quality of local schools when deciding what township to live in, so too parents will look to the statewide healthcare system of a potential employer when deciding where to live and raise their family.

    I sure do hope this is realistic projection on this writer’s part–that would be great! Guess who’s gonna be withering on the vine! It’ll be the leftists.

    • dreamerspirit says:

      Yes, and I do not understand this. We have a republican Governor and people have made it pretty clear that we do not want to form a state exchange for these very reasons. The other republican governors have banded together to fight against the state exchanges, but our governor is trying to do an end run around us and implement the Medicaid and state exchange Obamacare program. The only benefit that I can see from his perspective if I understand it correctly, is that by providing a state exchange as opposed to a federally funded exchange, the state as an employer is released from the obligation of being fined for not providing insurance to their employees. This saves the state about $2,000-$3,000 per employee supposedly per month. However, for taxpayers the Medicaid and health exchanges will place an added tax burden on them.

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