Yesterday an interview with Robert Zimmerman aired on KTTV in Los Angeles. Some of you have already visited the site and watched the video. Here is the preview segment which also contains the perspectives of the interviewer Robin Sax:
Here is the full 8+ minute interview:
In addition MyFoxLA posts a written letter of condolence from Robert Jr, Robert Sr, Gladys and George’s sister on their site. An excerpt follows:
[...] The time has come for all to know the truth about our feelings immediately after Trayvon’s passing.
Due to countless developments and complications beyond our control it was not possible to individually address Mr. Tracy Martin, Ms. Sybrina Fulton, or Mr. Jehvaris Fulton in a private setting to express our sympathy or to offer them words of comfort in the days immediately following February 26.
If there had been an opportunity immediately following Trayvon’s passing for his family to hear from the members of the Zimmerman family they have not yet heard from, we would have expressed our condolences on the loss of their son and brother.
The truth is that we would never take comfort in the knowledge that any human being had passed away no matter what the circumstances surrounding their death may be. From the first moment we knew what had transpired we were deeply aggrieved and in keeping with the teachings of our faith we prayed for the departed.
Our family values compel us to seek peace and reconciliation within ourselves and to extend these virtues to others. As Trayvon’s family remembers him, I would want them to know that at that time each of us prayed for him and each of us in our own way remembered him as well.
Moving forward, I pray they find the peace of the Holy Spirit and that it illuminates their hearts.”
Robert Zimmerman Jr. (read full letter here)
Zimmerman Family
Overall, it appears George Zimmerman’s parents together with Robert Jr, are desiring to step out from the false optics surrounding them, and begin to control the definitive narrative placed upon them and their family by the media. A noble, albeit exceptionally difficult endeavor.
Rather, rather than provide my opinion on the interview itself (y’all feel free do that in the comments), I will instead retain my input to reflect upon two comments on the aforementioned site. Consequently, perhaps I can further explain the magnitude of the effort in front of this family.
Below the MyFoxLA article two particular comments present the best insight into the opposition the Zimmerman family face. The comments are reflective of a very specific and particular mindset:
While a first glance might make a person say “sheesh, hate much”? This comment is actually highly useful in understanding the mindset and ideological approach of the people who oppose the Zimmerman Family. Robert Jr. specifically in this example.
What the commentator “BigBoi” is expressing is precisely the typical mob mindset created by the Pied Piper Ryan Julison. “I despise this family….” Does this person (BigBoi) even know this family? Of course not. Nor does she need to.
The expression itself is pure unintellectual emotion. This mindset is the outcome from years of institutionalized race baiting culture upon the psyche of a person who has long ago lost cognition, and now operates on pure emotion. Emotion is the sole arbiter of their perspective; their sense of self is necessitated by this perspective.
The picture chosen for her avatar is absolutely perfect, a “Pit Bull” breed of dog.
Pit Bulls are known for their trait of indiscriminate violence. They are easily trained to attack things without thought or cognitive query – ingrained hate trained to create a generally angry disposition. The subject of their attack is irrelevant and inconsequential, much like the Zimmerman family; It could just as easily be the “Smiths” or the “Joneses”. (Ironic against the backdrop of Frederica Wilson’s early comments in the case)
BigBoi is an outcome of a culture dependent on anger, ingrained anger created by a specific psychological use of “race”. You train a Pit Bull with a knotted rope the dog will latch on to and never let go; BigBoi is trained with an ideology of defined race replacing the rope; the intensity, or severity, of the training is much the same.
The trainers are the race-baiting classicists like champions Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Ben Jealous et al, who have formed an entire financial marketing scheme around race-based manipulation, and race-based control.
The Ryan Julisons are like the intellectual marketing managers, and the Benjamin Crumps and Natalie Jacksons are the visible sales force.
BigBoi is their customer or consumer.
BigBoi can be trained to jump, think, desire, believe and even purchase anything they want her to; because BigBoi has so fully bought their sociological programming she is now a loyal life-long customer. Indeed, just like the brand of shoes she will purchase, her identity is now driven by her ideology; and her self identity is dependent on the product the marketers sell - Racism. A symbiotic relationship.
….”get off TV and get out of print“…. because your mere existence represents a threat to my core sense of self and identity. You must be what I need you to be; because for you to be other, is for you to represent an ideological divergence I cannot intellectually grasp. Your mere existence supersedes my capacity to cope with your presence.
Consider:
and
You see, there can be no rules when you operate on emotion. There can be NO challenge to the chosen race-baiting narrative. It just cannot be permitted. If you allow questioning to seep into the mindset of an emotionally based believer you run the risk of losing control of them. Control is the key, just ask Ryan Julison, or Jim Jones, both were selling a product.
Ryan Julison recognized quickly how exposed he was on this site because his ideology and his intent were so clearly understood.
Not the intent he wanted people to know, but the intent that actually existed. The real intent.
So he quickly dispatched himself, took down his website, scrubbed his Facebook page, and began operating even further back in the shadows. The Ryan Julisons of the world know the Truth is a risk, it is always a risk, a risk they cannot afford. Under.Any.Circumstance.
When Ryan Julison met our troop of Treehouse truthseekers he realized his curtain was removed, he was still feverishly, even frantically, pulling the levers, but we were watching him, not the optical illusion he was creating.
BigBoi, and the others of like-minded and similar consequence have spent a lifetime looking only at the illusion created in front of them. Looking so long at that illusion – it is now their reality; their only reality. Existence outside of that reality represents great fear and risk, so the guise must, I repeat, MUST, be retained. Under.Any.Circumstance.
“Princess6″ is a similarly minded racist. Everything is the “next get”, yet there is never an end. What do you think Princess6 would do if the outcome of a trial was a verdict of not guilty? Or if Zimmerman is acquitted during the “Immunity Hearing”.?
Would she just say, “oh well, guess I was wrong about all that“? Of course not. There is always a reason for being systemically aggrieved. A reason based entirely on their perception of “justice” delivered.
If their definition of “justice” does not prevail, then justice will never be done and they are perpetually aggrieved. The disappointment is channeled as anger and blame at the system. They have been wronged; they personally have been wronged, and the “system” is to blame.
The absence of self-reliance builds dependency. Dependency creates voids within self. These voids are exploited by the professional race-baiters, and the marketers, to establish the context of reliance upon the race-baiting product. Hence, a self-fulfilling prophecy is produced, a perpetual consumer addicted by ideological dependency to your product.
Institutionalized internal voids are created, and then left to be filled by faith in the government (Obama and the CBC), or the leaders (Jackson, Sharpton et al), or the hierarchy (sales force Crump and Scheme Team) who assure the aggrieved (The Martins) that they alone can fix the injustice.
And therein lies the roots of hate. The systemic fear and hate you just read. For the non-dependent individual, when life presents great struggles or perceived injustice, she knows she has the power to surmount them.
Generally, happiness stems from internal strength, courage, fortitude and self-reliant non-dependent perseverance. For the racist, when life presents great struggles -or perceived injustice- the system failed, therefore they were at the mercy of a faulty system, and they believe that only when the system is fixed can their life improve. Their sense of self is built on systemic contingencies, which they will then seek to control or expect someone else to.
The independent self-reliant blames herself. The dependent racist blames anyone and everyone but herself.
That is what she was trained to believe at the end of a proverbial knotted rope, while the institutional race-baiting class pulled and thrashed the rope to insure the trainee developed a cultural death grip on their ideology.
And so you bear witness. There’s where the anger, hate and meanness comes from. The racist ideological training causes that person to cast anger at the world when things go wrong or appear “unfair.” She constantly chooses only to see the “injustices” – remember they are defining them – and that makes for a very miserable, mean, blame-casting existence.
This level of institutionalized hatred is what Robert Jr and the Zimmerman family are looking at daily.
Everyone would do well to grasp the magnitude of the task at hand, and provide a measure of consideration for wide latitude as they attempt to navigate through a minefield not seen since the OJ Simpson case.
And look at how that case turned out.
Wow.
Well said, sundancecracker. I could never express things as well as you.
I have posted with these people (and the many others just like them) for 4 years. More correctly, I have posted “against” them. I have got nowhere reasoning with them, and my nature is to become frustrated and angry… but even that has got me nowhere. Eventually being banned from their presence has, in hindsight, been a blessing… I really now feel no anger… just amusement at some of their excesses, and I at least can now see it is futile to engage them in intellectual discussion at all.
You are very right to say:
“Or if Zimmerman is acquitted during the “Immunity Hearing”.?
Would she just say, “oh well, guess I was wrong about all that“? Of course not. There is always a reason for being systemically aggrieved. A reason based entirely on their perception of “justice” delivered.”
They generally adopt a “victim” (by decree rather than reason) that they claim to “support” but really the “victim” for the most part is set aside and forgotten… just an excuse to HATE whoever they decide has transgressed against this “victim”
They can not be reasoned with once they have a target… just like pit bulls in attack frenzy.
It doesn’t help that their “mistress”, far from calling them to heal, encourages and incites them. In fact, joins the pack as the the rabid lead pit bull herself.
Socialist Justice. Justice must be handicapped like everything else to level the playing field in favor of the oppressed racial group. Hate Facts suppressed and hidden. Due process discarded in favor of affirmative action and a justice quota. Some citizens more equal than others. Corey is a good example. A “Special” prosecutor.
The cumulative result of decades of Court TV shows, Springer, Dr Phil, Hollywood spin, racially polarizing news narratives, et al. is the current spectacle of Trial By Directed Public Opinion. I’ve spun my wheels endlessly trying to reach these TrayBots, to no avail. It is a tiresome & thankless endeavor.
@rumpole – Nice post and remember that old saying: “A fish rots from the head down.” When people who are running forums are behaving in classless, vulgar, threatening fashion, what can we expect from the minions?
Thanks
I do love the saying.. .. I quoted it previously it is VERY apt in this instance.
Speaking of rotten fish heads, here is Jamie Baker aka Bakerprune64. She needs more eyeliner.
http://pinterest.com/bakerprune64/
She is the owner of JQ and loves exposing and ridiculing anybody remotely tied to GZ so I figured turn-about is fair play. Feel free to do some JQ-style photoshopping with her images.
oops! forgot the twitter link.
https://twitter.com/Bakerprune64
“JQ-style photoshopping ”
That in itself says a lot. Not only very poorly executed.. but puerile.. toilet-door humor.
In a way I am saddened. JQ once had potential … posted reference information on cases alongside a discussion thread. Now the thread is a mishmash of puerile cheap-shot “text message” type posts. The only small positive I see is the fact that they have hidden this trash away from poor unsuspecting members of the public who may wander in by mistake while researching the case.
@rumpole2 – so true that it was for the best they hid that nonsense discussion thread away from the public. Bakerprune is a coward who can dish it out but can’t take it. Typical aggressive bully – all brawn, no brains.
@JamesF – omg, you made me burst out laughing!!! More eyeliner, indeed!! She must buy it in bulk! http://twitter.com/bakerprune64
She looks like an overbaked, wizened prune. Probably the result of all the wicked, classless, bitter, angry, vicious screaming, mocking insults and vulgarity making their way out from her insides.
Dogs of War – Pink Floyd
Dogs of war and (wo)men of hate
With no cause, we don’t discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather ’round and haggle
@rumpole2 – you’re good with the songs, dude! You’ve nailed MaBaker.
Slamming big boi right now.
He’s done. He can’t debate me.
SLAM SLAM SLAM OH SNAP CALL A FIRE TRUCK WE HAVE A MAJOR BURN VICTIM
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Big boy you are the biggest joke on twitter. The tree house owns you. You are nothing.
The fact is the martins hired a racist lawyer who hired a pr firm to create a false narrative based on race, and truth be told the martins are the racists. the martins tweet about crackers. the martins think “they” killed trayvon. the martins profiled george as “white old and creepy”. the martins surround themselves with people the same skin color as them. they are never with white people. the fact is crump et al got on tv all day and all night saying racial profiling. who cares corey didnt put it in the affidavit, crump and nataLIE [J]hackson kept saying it and its why 225,000 racists joined the global grind ran justice for trayvon face book page….because all they knew at the time was the false narrative created by ryan julison. and for christs sakes the jftm fb page still has the julison lies in its info tab…chad is not his brother, he did not live there, brandi is not his step mom, it was never ice tea it was watermelon fruit drink, he was not racially profiled…….these are all facts.
as to robert, he is 100% correct….they lied and claimed gz was white…then when it was clear hes not they invented a new race…..and the media did edit tapes to create a race angle when there was none. even the nem call proves gz does not know tm is black until “he is checking me out, he is black”…compared to 1 minute before “he looks black”..logic kinda tells you what is what.
back to big boi….its just a fact you dont want the zimmermans to talk because god forbid someone goes out and corrects the lies and propaganda from crump, natalie, al, jesse, obama, and the martins.
by the way are we not supposed to notice that they replaced chad and brandi with sybrina and jahvaris….and that jahvaris fulton scott is lying and claiming he is a martin now (dr phil show) and sybrina fulton is magically a martin now too…..just more lies and spin…we arent supposed to notice…we are supposed to be useful idiots…..creating a false image of trayvon and now a false image of a cohesive family unit that never existed….all for money….at the expense of an innocent man…….I hope trayvon is burning in hell and pissed they pussified him with their lies of him being a mommas boy and not a fighter and having no muscles at all(alicia)….and that propaganda poster they use of him in the hoody with the photoshopping to make him look less black, less angry in the eyes (they actually made his eyes like those aspca puppy dog ads), and softened his features……..way to disrespect your dead child by selling his soul to the devil for 30shillings.
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@deadassasin – the dog pound is a joke and the biggest one is that the female pit bull thinks she’s “somebody.” She stalks, harrasses and provokes her designated target until they respond. The sad part is that these types of posters are experiencing very deep problems in their personal lives and instead of confronting whoever or whatever is causing them their pain or problems, their cowardly method is to project their anger and hatred onto people they think they can bully without repercussions from the anonymity of a computer screen.
Bigboi is my bitch.
@ftsk – BigBoi is a mindleless twit with nothing but kibble compacted in her empty head.
I peed all over their comments & opinions.
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Unfortunately, your statement says as much about you as it does about them. Here at the Treehouse, we try to draw a line on this kind of language because if enough of us use it (and it does tend to multiply easily) then our threads end up looking no different than theirs. –Admin
Hmmmmm, anyone want to see behind the curtain of the infamous BigBoi? Lets take a closer look shall we?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christina-kamara/40/152/3b?_mSplash=1
This is probably a coincidence, but if that is her name, a person by that same name was taken to court in Orange County Florida back in 2003 by a company called Household Automotive Finance Corp. The lawyer for that company was named Rhonda Diane Zimmerman.
@Letsbefairtogz – I don’t know…..she doesn’t seem to be college educated in her posts. Kinda angry looking, wouldn’t you say? By choosing a pit bull, she picked the perfect persona – they match to a “T.”
SUNLIGHT………………..
SUNLIGHT can’t reach them.
They are part of the JQ mob who have crawled away to hide their nastiness from public revelation and the sunlight of TRUTH
I don’t believe that. The stone throwing racists need to be exposed for what they are. More to follow on Ms Christina……………
Well done… I stand corrected…. I guess with effort we CAN lift up the rock and shine in a little sunlight
What’s funny is all that tough talk Bigboi likes to spew. Wonder how Bigboi would react if ever meeting me in person.
Someone by that same name lives at The Retreat at Twin Lakes.
Bigboi was the name of the dog that lived near GZ, the reason he got the gun I believe.
Hmmm, coincidence? Ya think? Lets look a little deeper……….
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Seminole-County-FL/Christina-Kamara.2785740.html
OMG!!! That is nuts.
Spot The Dog
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/SpotDog2.jpg
LOL
@rumpole – ROFL!! No difference!
Anyway, ya think those are coincidences? Lets see what else there is out there about Ms “BigBoi” Christina………….She has a lot to say about the Zimmermans, anyone think she can handle some reflected sunlight? Pretty isn’t she?
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Seminole-County-FL/Christina-Kamara.2785740.html
Is that mugshot of the person who posts as BigBoi?
It is
@letsbefair – this is unreal! No wonder she can relate so well to thugs! Woweee, tsk, tsk, tsk, Ms. Cristina. You must appreciate this, especially since you don’t think twice about doing this to anyone that supports Zimmerman!
When you click on the link to “view official records” is gives her data and charges:
SCHEMES TO DEFRAUD
No wonder she feels such an affinity for those pandering, panhandling Martins!
There is plenty more where that came from. Seems Ms Christina and her boyfriend like to chase each other with knives. Dontchathink her mama taught her not to run with knives?
LMAO!!
@letsbefair – you are some researcher! Knife wielding chases? Life in the dog pound is rough! (ruf ruf)
Just gettin warmed up. BigBoi Christina should NOT be throwing stones
ROFLMBO!!
@ftsk – she is a woman.
She thinks nothing of running down people’s information and displaying it on her twitter and encourages others to do the same. Pretty gutsy for someone who has an unsavory, colorful past, herself.
WHAT? Dom violence?? Can’t be the same BigBoi ………Right???
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Florida/Seminole-County-FL/Christina-Kamara.2611940.html
@letsbefair – O.M.G. Charges: •BATTERY -DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
When I think the dimwitted, wrinkled owner of JQ RAN, not walked, to be on this Dog’s twitter and then actually banned posters the Dog wanted banned……….I ROFLMBO!! How can anyone be such a sucker??? I can’t stop laughing!!!
Ok, I must have missed something. How do we know (or suspect) that this person is “Bigboi”?
Last I heard Bigboi was claiming to be a man it was on it’s twitter.
@ftsk – nope, the boi is a woman. she’s said it herself on her twitter.
It’s common knowledge that “Bigboi” is “Trixiemae” a poster at JQ and is a woman (of sorts)
What are the chances that she is the source of the anonymous call that Sanford PD received, in which the caller alleged that Zimmerman was known to be a racist?
Your probably right Chip. I’m guessing that she is the owner of the dog (BigBoi) that Gz had a problem with. (the reason he bought the gun).
+1
@rumpole – they’re hunkered down in their super-secret-hidey-hole, laughing over their juvenile name-calling, cringe-inducing videos, inventing video images that don’t exist and wild scenario imaginations. They wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them on their middle-aged bums.
Their cringe inducing video man papa has a history as well, scroll down to November 14, 2009 @ 9:37pm. Found it while doing a search.
http://www.bloggernews.net/122971
@maggiemoo – oh, oh, oh my oh my!! What a find! (and I was relieved to see there wasn’t another lame video! lol!) Quite a few convicted felons inserting themselves into this case. It’s what I’ve been saying all along – the hatred, outrage and vicious attacks by those who support TM – IT IS PERSONAL! They are working something out in either their past or present situations. I still don’t understand how they have the guts to point fingers at anyone!
No wonder so many of the supporters empathize and fight to the death trying to make TM and all the grifters and schemers into good people.
LLMPapa is a professional case inserter. Casey Anthony (he says he sent info to Det. Allen about the duct tape), HaLeigh Cummings and now Trayvon Martin. Well, at least there we weren’t subjected to gushy,mushy fairytale videos on the Anthony case – thank god for small favors.
I agree with you 100%. As for the video’s, oh he made many for both Haleigh and Caylee.
Here is the proof BTW
http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac218/Uther2/Working%20Uploads%202/JQFail3.jpg
How did those people not see that Lester was gonna be dumped? I mean, I read a LOT of people who are on the wrong side of this case, and even they realized Lester was gone. They weren’t happy about it, but they knew what was coming. Seems to me that to believe otherwise, you really had to be deluding yourself. Oh, and I love the way they now point to the fact it was a 2 to 1 decision. Do they really, seriously believe that the “dissenting” judge would have done so if they needed a unanimous ruling? No, I imagine the 3 of them got together and said, “Ok, we know how this has to go, but should we make it 2 to 1 instead of 3 to 0, just to throw the other side a little bone?” I really think it went something like that.
@maggiemoo – You’re kidding! So glad I never saw any of those. There’s something very creepy about that….. :scared:
With a PROVEN and documented 92% record of being WRONG… it might give George some hope to know they are SURE he will fail at the Immunity hearing/be found guilty at trial.
@rumpole – good point about their prediction track record. Because they’ve followed various cases, they are now all lawyers. They speak with such authority and certainty (like Noahman’s hysterical opinion sig line). One that cracks me up is a poster called Leagleagle (and not just because she spelled “legal” wrong for her nic
) She’s a “legal eagle” yet asks the most elementary questions about law. A couple posters, Teeto and LiveLoveLaugh, write tediously long, histrionic, simpleton posts, yet because they are unbelievably lonnnnng…they get at least 50 “Post of the Day” awards or “bowing smilies” from the lemmings.Hilarious!
I tell you, it’s so entertaining, I’ve almost stopped watching television altogether these days!
and now we know at least a couple of convicted felons post there, too.
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Think I got it now
POD
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@rumpole – I like your sense of humor!
said the biggest damn fool ive ever seen
Swingin’ on bus drivers since ’12
#NO_LIMIT_ASTRONAUT :3
Spoken, like someone who really should know.
You need a special translator fluent in Brainwash to understand that slag’s babble. She has yet to respond to a single email or twitter response from me.
@Snaps – cowards usually don’t respond to logic as only vitriolic, irrational, misplaced anger gets them going.
These GZ-haters love to overuse SMH at the end of their rants.
SMH— Simple Minded Hater
The comments these ppl like Bigboi and Princess leave on the Newspapers, Facebook, Twitter, blogs etc. only help prove Roberts Jr’s point. I believe some people have made Justice for BabyTray a full time job.I sometimes wonder when i check different web sites and see the same ppl all the time, all over the place how they pay their way…Oh wait,…… well, nm. They look foolish and only entertain ppl of the same mindset, which imo is hardly the majority. Anyone with a fairly average IQ can see their agenda.
Thanks SD, this was good to read, im so so sick of the race baiting going on, its not just this case, for some ppl they have made it a way of life…sickening.
https://en.twitter.com/NatJackEsq/status/217131621650923520
http://i.imgur.com/AEIkp.png
Can’t let anyone say anything to upset the brainwashing.
risefrombelow: You know she ( NJ) smells really bad right now because she’s so full of crap. This is not a one sided fight. She thinks GZ should just stand still and be there whipping post and all the other racist garbage out there. GZ has family who love him and he has people who believe in him . To the two
demonswho posted that hate filled bullsh– I have one thing to say to you bring it!You are both brain damaged,fight with smeone who will fight back! Sorry…. SD I try not to stoop! But I can’t stand bullies. I dont understand all that hate for someone they don’t even know. I would never wish harm on someone I didn’t even know. Not evenyou two demons————–
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@Sha – when reading SDC’s post, I thought much of what you have written here – I, too, imagined that if you opened the ugly minds and hearts of those evil bullies, we would see a black, putrid, repulsive slime of anger and hatred. Most unhappy people act exactly as those posters act and the sad part is, they don’t even see how they are perceived.
breemcphee: I almost lost it. I don’t get mad often but when I do it’s bad. I would be ashamed to know that I beat up on a family that couldn’t defend themselves to make myself look tuff to other people. Ask you self what kind of person or persons get pleasure out of that ?
@Sha – personally, I don’t know how they can even type out the words laced in such hatred. In my heart, I do understand that they themselves are experiencing much pain from whatever tough circumstances in their own personal lives. Ironically, instead of being able to release their pent up personal pain and hatred with this rhetoric, they only compound the weight of their issues by blackening their hearts with such ugly behavior and hurtful words. It’s on them.
breemcphee: I could tell you things about my life that were unfair and cruel enuff to shock you . Things that kids should never have to go threw. I don’t feel sorry for my self and I don’t live in the past. I don’t use it as a excuse to be cruel and evil. I control my life and how I choose to live it. Some people would rather go through life blaming the world for there problems instead of trying to fix them.
@Sha – I’m so sorry for your pain and yes, it is true that everyone in life either early or eventually fights a hard battle. You are also right in saying there is no excuse for their behavior. This kind of hate and anger and bitterness projected towards others only begets more of the same in their own lives.
breemcphee: Thank you for your kindness, but that pain has been gone for along time. Life is to short and precious to waste on bad memories. I have been looking at the post above and I think you were right those people do have pain in there lives .
@Sha – Thank you. I wasn’t too clear, but I did mean more of “present” pain. Anything to deflect from their having to deal with it is what their obssesive, vicious posting is about.
She’s so full of shither eyes are brown.—————–
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ftsk 420 – Good one!
and she smell bad to lol !
Sorry got the potty mouth sometimes.
SORRY ADMIN ! I lost my mind a little . I will try to find it lol !
Amazing. She thinks no one whom she disagrees with should be allowed to defend themselves. This woman is over the edge. In the past others have thought the same way. In the Soviet Union and Germany for example.
Deep down, NJ and her ilk know how much responsibility they have for the TM of this world. In the late 60′s and early 70′s black wanted to project a strong black image. Black power, black is beautiful, we are going to handed to the man, sort of attitude. Their kids in the 80′s morphed this into the gang culture, which in the late 80′s early 90′s, was brought mainstream. In the new millenium, gang culture is not thug culture and it was very much part of daily life, most urban centers. Now 40 years later, the original message has been lost and has morphed into a culture that is slowly killing the AA community. When you have your own leaders remark, Jesse Jackson proclaim that he crosses the street when he sees a group of young black males, you know you have a problem, and it is not whites declaring open season on young black males. Young black males have declared open season on other young black males for some time now and the solution is not scapegoating on reasons of poverty, gun laws, or white people. There are many more poor white and hispanic people, yet the crime levels are no where near where it is in the black community. The problem is within, the black culture that glorifies violence and thuggery while demonizing any black that fail to live like that as an Uncle Tom, a sell-out. Until, people like NJ, Crump, Jealous, Jackson, Sharpton and others start addressing this in-house there will be other TM. The shooter may not look like GZ, but the result will be the same.
bori: If people like Jackson, Sharpton , Crump And NJ stop race baiting they have lost there power. I agree with the fact a young black male or female get put down for being polite and well mannered. I have seen it with my own eyes. But remember this AL and Jackson are getting old and they wont live forever.
It true, but in the meantime another generation, get corrupted by these false prophets.
MLK would be ashamed, he’d be totally disgusted with the “black leaders” of today. I think he would have given anything to see a day when racism was no more in this country. I think he would have loved it. But the “leaders” of today are just the opposite… they have an agenda. It’s not to fight racism and try to end it…. NO, it’s to perpetuate it! Their entire being is dependent on racism (whether it be white-on-black, or black-on-white) staying at the forefront of our consciousness.
We are in total agreement, I will just add that all of them have become wealthy, at the same time, sometimes using the same organizations designed to help other blacks. I knew a some blacks that have realized this, it just that nobody speaks about it except, in private.
They have a minor glitch and are unable to respond to reasonable questions at this time.
jello333: I think you are right.
So, not that it surprises anyone, but herewith, Natalie Jackson openly admits that she does not believe in either the constitutional protections of equal protection and due process, or in the basic human rights represented by the principle of presumption of innocence of the accused.
Why, exactly, does someone who holds such beliefs have a license to practice law?
Chip : And thats the scary part !
I think because it puts her in the position to be able to control and manipulate her own kind while trying to destroy every white person that crosses her path….she loves the power. If she didn’t have that license she’d be just another helpless black girl with a huge forehead.
Exactly what I think every time I hear her or Crump spew their garbage. What exactly does it take to get disbarred nowadays?
and she is a civil rights lawyer of what country?
thanks Sundance for making this a standing article. The J4TM crowd that are watching and reacting the treehouse have nothing constructive to say.. thats putting it kindly. Reading through the comments and reactions to Robert Zimmerman’s statement can give youan insight into the mindset of those watching this case. On the one hand we have thoughtful positive commentary and on the other… well.. Lets say just some people are letting their true colors fly.
#NO_LIMIT_ASTRONAUT :3
Perfectly articulated, SDC. I, for one, am sick and tired of black people in general. Such reprehensible conduct and unmitigated hatred. Barnyard animals behave better. Firing Obama in 42 days will go a long way in beginning the bleaching of their stains on American humanity.
…and the pendulum swings; being above the failed argument does not mean reacting with equal or heightened racial animosity.
Allow me to use your own words “Such reprehensible conduct and unmitigated hatred.” Arguing with a professionally crafted and driven narrative will never require any one of us to denounce a single racial group, it will always be a subset of that group that ascribe to the easy emotional message they promote.
We must use fact and reason to counter the racially driven narrative, the facts will absolve GZ of legal guilt but he will retain the moral guilt of manslaughter for the balance of his life. Such is the nature of life and death George deeply grieves that he was forced to take a life, lest anyone forget… he was forced to take a life.
Racism couched in sweeping generalizations is still racism. These sorts of comments are wrong, counter-productive, and unwelcome.
Agreed. And from a new poster I don’t recognize. Probably a Zimmerman hater ‘flying a false flag’ in order to make the treehouse look racist.
If SB had omitted “in general”, I would agree with most everything he opined. Perhaps he should have written “I am sick and tired of blacks like Ben Crump, Natalie Jackson, Tracy Martin, Sybrina Fulton, Jahvaris F-M, Al Sharpton and the other countless millions who have systematically colluded to crucify an innocent man”.
Be sick and tired of the book’s contents not the cover.
It is the behavior that should be abhorred, not the skin color.
Be tired of all “people” who exhibit the behavior of Sharpton, Crump, Jackson, Martin, Fulton et al – the behavior is the issue. The characteristics of that behavior do not belong exclusively to skin pigmentation (See Robles).
A post like this makes me sick. Why are you sick an tired of black people? I’m not sick and tired of them. How hard was it for you to say black people instead of dropping the N bomb.
You aren’t sick and tired of hate mongering inciters like Crump AND Jackson et al, 420?
Your comment Gil Favor makes you sound no better than those you insult.
I’m sick and tired yes but as people they make me sick not because they are black.
“I, for one, am sick and tired of black people in general”
That to me is racist and that’s what he said.
“I, for one, am sick and tired of black people in general.”
Nope, it’s not gonna work. Every once in awhile someone comes here and says something like that, hoping the rest of us will agree…. thereby giving this whole site a black eye. Nice try, but sorry, it ain’t gonna work.
Stupid human beings are a dangerous weapon. If they cannot get George convicted, they will assassinate his life and they have succeeded sadly before he gets his moment in court. Not content with just ruining every chance of George ever being able to have a normal life, they are conducting a scorched earth campaign the likes I have never seen in 41 years of life. Not just George but his family and friends are now forever targeted by a mob of brain dead zombies. And although the treehouse and various others across the net are working hard to prevent this, the silence from the rest of the rational people is deafening.
I pray for the Zimmermans. I hope to hope that this all ends with all of them having some peace. This is truly a war on evil.
@hoffstyle71 – good post. It seems it is always the small, vocal minority who get all the attention, but hopefully, in the end, in the light of rational, logical thought, those who understand the truth (the majority) will prevail.
I salute you SDC. A very good read. I, for another, have gotten to the point that comments like those of bigboi and princess brewed with such ignorance and steeped with so much hate it simply leaves me somewhat saddened to think that they are reflective of so many other puppets that actually maintain a residence in this great country of ours. It is the puppet masters that are able to “get under my skin” because they do know better and I suspect that is why you won’t see any of those pulling the strings visiting here to debate.
Well written thread – 100% accurate. Ryan Julian, Crump, the media, and those politicians who perpetuated the lies should be penalized. They have done more to hurt race relations than anything in prior history. Now people want to memorialize someone as a martyr who never existed except on Ryan Julian’s story board. There was a story that happened that night in February, that if told accurately, could have helped people be more aware of what teenagers are into and the dangers that evolve; as well as, a society that pulls their curtains and locks their doors when someone is being beaten and screaming for help. We are ruled by a media that is out of control and are allowed to feed us any junk they choose to, for personal gain and their own agenda. We live in a country that is truly a victim of the tail wagging the dog.
Lee: What do the people who do care get ? Abandoned like GZ by all the people he tried to protect. I might be wrong but I haven’t seen one neighbor stand up for him. They didn’t mind him putting his life on the line for them, but none of them were willing to do the same.
jello said it best. He is hated for being selfless.
My wry humor (and respect) says this, “…no good dead … goes un-punished”. God bless and support George Zimmerman.
Correctoin – That is, “No good DEED goes un-punished”. The neighborhood he was trying to support and protect – turned its back on this brave soul.
To be fair, GZ has had some neighbors speak up for him, problem is, it goes against the media narrative, so they don’t show them.
bori: At least that makes be feel a little better about it.
Dang ! I meant to say me not be. Myopiafree stop rubbing off on me with that bad spelling I’m already bad enuff . lol !
myopiafree: READ BELOW ! lol!
Sundance, you are on point, except for one thing. The “Pit Bull” Dog. I have 3 American Pit Bull Terriers, and while you rightly point out, it is apropos, not for the reasons you state. Just like George Zimmerman, the American Pit Bull Terrier is a victim of the media narrative. They are not indiscriminate killing machines, no more so than the fact that an M4A1 is an indiscriminate killing machine, and .270 Rem rifle is not. They both have the capability to kill, and one more quickly than the other as a result of their capabilities. The “Pit Bull” is the same way. It is fiercely loyal of whomever it seems as its master, but does not have the cognition to know right from wrong, so it assumes in all cases, that its master is correct and seeks to please him. Much is the case here. There are a bunch of “mindless lemmings” swallowing the media narrative, because that it what they are “told” by the likes of Jackson, Crump, Julison, et al. Not to absolve them of responsibility, as there is a vast difference between a canine and a human, in that the latter at least is supposed to be capable of critical thought and moral decision making. Not to belabor the point, just wanted to mention that both the American Pit Bull Terrier (aka “Pit Bull”) and George Zimmerman are victims of “crucifixion by media.”
You have never seen a Florida inbred pit bull. Yes some of pure bred ones that are of good stock are good dogs but the ones we have here are stupid because they have been so inbred and bred for fighting. I have the scars to prove it!
Ever seen one from NY talk about inbred and stupid. I love Pit Bulls I own one now.
Just so you know, inbreeding with what is meant by “purebred.” Ironically, that those with purebred dogs do not call them “inbred” for some reason
Admittedly, and sadly, the American Pit Bull Terrier was indeed a breed bred for fighting. Initially, animal baiting, and then dog on dog fights. However, most “game dogs” (dogs of fighting stock) had stable temperament with people, Chinaman, being an exception. That said, if you take a poorly bred dog of any breed, just like if you take a poorly bred human with many negative characteristics and cross them with another of the same, the offspring are not going to be better off for it. To a large degree, this is the very same in humans. Sub-standard parents have a very high likelihood of producing sub-standard offspring in both humans and and dogs. When I think of this case, I just think of George as more the “Pit Bull,” not in the false media narrative sense (though they would have you believe that), but in the sense in which I know the breed as intensely loyal, and eager to please by following instruction, which I think is a strong parallel to George’s character, and loyalty and devotion to those whom he trusts, or at least initially trusted anyway (ala O’Mara).
We had a pitbull/german shepherd that was just an amazing animal. We knew when our young son picked him out of the litter that we were taking on a perceived liability, regardless of how “real” it actually was. So we always operated with him with that in mind. We lived in SoCa at the time, where the negative PR on pitbulls was constant. We kept him on a very short leash in terms of acceptable behaviors…we had 2 lines he was NEVER allowed to cross: 1) he was not allowed to let his teeth touch our skin (even accidentally in play); 2) he was not allowed to refuse to follow an instruction we gave him–it was dealt with immediately if he “argued with us” over space for instance, refusing to “go sit down” when we told him to. He was the most intelligently amazing companion we’ve ever had, except for our Dalmatian and our Siberian Husky!
IMO, anyone who owns a pitbull has to be willing to accept the sometimes false public perceptions and the possibly real issues. One time our good dog scared me when I told him to go sit in the corner (his punishment for refusing to obey) and he almost didn’t go–he “faced me down.” THAT was scary, because I knew “I had to win” or else lose authority going forward. We managed–but it took about 4 minutes of me physically (without touching him) “backing him” into the corner with my slow movement crowding him and maintaining eye contact. That was the one time I was quite sure that if I took hold of him, he would have bitten me. The “attack” thing was NOT in his personality, but on a couple of occasions, we could see the potential. We also always had a muzzle on him if we took him in public for the sake of others who feared pitbulls, based on the simple consideration that it’s not nice to casually put fright into strangers who have perhaps had very bad experiences.
Don’t forget the American Staffordshire Terrier which is also a pit bull. I have one to.
@sundancecracker – I applaud your opening statement. It is a thoughtful, logical, analytical, intellectual analysis absent of any anger, profanity, low-rent, threatening words. Of course, it will go right over their vengeful, irrational heads. One of the things that jumps out is that you are a MALE and the mob-mentality people you speak of are mostly FEMALE, yet these women think nothing of rolling around in the mud, aggressively stalking, cursing and threatening in their uncouth, classless, vulgarity-laced posts.
Society has taken an ugly, dangerous turn for the worst when the “kinder, softer” gender is acting like raging, rabid pit-bulls against people they don’t even know. It’s scary and I fear what our society has become because these “women” are raising our next generation.
My respect and admiration go to you, sundancecracker, especially in how you run this forum above the fray. You’ve given these posters wide latitude and restraint over here when they wish to disrupt, and you have given the posters here the ability to express their views without fear of reprisal.
This is very true. I have met some women that I couldn’t believe were women at all. The unfortunate thing is that the worst I have seen were either AA or wanna be AA.
I’m gonna ask a favor from the Treehouse. Is it possible that when we speak we don’t use terms like Traybots or Trayvonites it lowers us to their level. I for one won’t do it and can’t stop anyone else from doing it but it would be nice if it stopped.
I’ll try, but I make no promises.
Is it that hard not to do it.
I try not to. I usually use Team Trayvon because these people are about the same maturity level as the Twilight group.
I have no problem with Team Trayvon but Traybot and Trayvonites among other I have a problem with. Same as I did with the Zimmerman terms.
HI Mung – I is indeed hard to avoid the nuance of words. For instance, I might call myself, “No Limit Cracka”. Even Sundance refers to himself as a “Cracker” – in the same way that racist Trayvon called himself, a No-Limit-Nigga. So if I call as person a “Nigga” or a “Cracker” – are these racist remarks? We know that Trayvon hated the “White” Cracka, who was innocently walking down the sidewalk – because he said a few words to George, and then, with no warning, smashed his fist into George Zimmerman’s face. That that a “racists crime”, and I for one, think it was.
If I learned anything from the rules of what is PC, I know that you are not allowed to call AA’s anything that has to do with the country some of them came from, so don’t say anything about Nigeria. Now they are allowed to call themselves or each other anything they want. Using that logic you would think it is OK for us to call ourselves or each other cracker but I am pretty sure that is reserved for AAs to call us too.
Language police ????? YMBFK. Has the treehouse become a monastery where a stuffy and rigid academic and regal decorum must be preserved ??? It is a enough to drive a priest to drink and make him swear while enjoying a cigar. Where are the young nuns ?
LML
Just don’t show too much cheek out the back of that mini habit and I’ll be fine, otherwise I won’t be responsible and the Lord will understand.
Love the imagery
ftsk420 : I don’t say that any way takes to long to type and I would probably spell it wrong anyway. lol !
We all strive to resist temptation, even while knowing that sometimes it will still get the better of us due to our human weakness.
I like to use GZ-haters or Zimmerman haters, since they are not driven by love for justice or even love for Trayvon. They are driven by hate.
Don’t get me wrong some words that are used are fine and nobody has to even consider anything I said. I to say things but I direct them towards people like Crump and Corey. Certain things that are said make us no better then the TM supporters is all I’m saying. At the end of the day we all have freedom of speech if ya wanna tell me to go F#$% off that’s your right.
They actually have no more respect for Trayvon than they do for George. They try to make him out to be some scared, mild-mannered, sweet little kid…. when Trayvon himself would be DISGUSTED by that.
I have stated the same thing multiple times ftsk420. I believe it is completely unnecessary to call people names like Zimmermeth, Traybot etc.
When referring to George – (GZ), (George) or (Zimmerman) are appropriate. When referring to Trayvon – (TM), (Trayvon) or (Martin) are appropriate.
The Zimmerman family should be referred to as the Zimmerman’s and the Martin family the Martin’s, or by the actual first or first and last names.
The supporter’s should be called the Trayvon supoorter’s or Martin supporter’s or something similar and the same goes for George. Everything else is propaganda and shows racism and disrespect on both sides – but what do I know?
I’m waiting to be attacked.
I tend to use “GZ haters” when I speak of them.
…but jello333, what if the people you call “GZ haters” don’t hate George at all. What if they truly believe that all the evidence produced so far points to George’s guilt as deeply as you believe the same evidence points to George’s innocence?
I wouldn’t think that just because you believe that George is innocent that you are automatically a TM hater? It’s the exact same thing, don’t you see that?
It is obvious that some people are just plain hateful and racist and seem to hate George and his family and/or Trayvon and his family, despite even knowing them, but many people do not.
It is simply wrong to put everybody who does not believe in George’s innocence into one category know as the: “GZ haters” . It is never right to stereotype people.
Yeah, I guess I wasn’t clear who I was referring to. I didn’t mean just anyone who still thinks George is guilty. The ones who feel that way, but don’t go about it in a way that demonizes George, I wouldn’t refer to them in any negative way (other than to say I think they’re dead wrong). No, who I was talking about are kind of people who, like you say… “some people are just plain hateful and racist and seem to hate George and his family”. THOSE are the ones I try to reserve my “GZ haters” title for. Actually you might hear me use stronger language than that from time to time (and yeah I know that’s not productive…)
I use BigTM for Tracy and Camp TM for the entire crew including TM’s lawyers.
I hear a family desperate to prove not only that George is not guilty but also attempts to portray George as a compassionate, kind mind. Unfortunately, too much negative media has dominated them for so long, and that may not be possible.
If a professional media group had started this long ago, then it might be different but it’s too late now. Irreparable damage has been done and their lies have become truth.
The comments at the bottom of the article and other sites say it all. I did not read them all, but most of them seem to say “Go away. We don’t want to hear any more. ”
There is nothing that anyone could say that could sway their thoughts and now they are warning us to shut up.
Hate has legs of its own as evidenced in the Casey Anthony case. How many folks did you notice change after the verdict? I saw even more outrage and hate and there are still sites devoted to hating Casey. Some folks thrive on others living in their heads rent free just like that segment of blacks who refuse to assimilate into our society. It is so much easier for them to blame whitey for their plight and take all they can get for free.
What this means is that George must win at a SD hearing or face a pool of hateful people. My sense is that George is greatly outnumbered and will enter the lions’ den.
It is a truly tragic set of circumstances and most of probably feel totally helpless when we know the facts of this case clearly point to George’s innocence.
What’s left? Only a strong faith in God and that the judicial system will be at least be fair. We have lost our common sense and are fighting evil forces greater than what is visible.
May God bless George and his family and give them the strength to continue the fight.
It may be too late but then again it may not. If someone were to hit the TV cameras go on the road and speak up not only for GZ but for every American in this country that this could happen to. Anyone of us including the Martins could be GZ. At this point someone with very thick skin needs to stand up and say enough is enough call me what you want but this man had every right to defend himself no matter the age of the person trying to harm him. The facts are clear TM punched GZ then mounted and pounded him even the Martin side is admitting TM was on top. The laws are clear even if GZ started the altercation his 45sec of screaming was him giving up and TM ignored that. Me personally never would have given him that much time to pound on me. I don’t care who you are or how old you try and kill me and I promise I will be the one walking away. Again someone with big balls needs to stand up and defend this man. This website does a great job but more is needed.
You said: This website does a great job
but more is needed.
It would be nice if some of Sundance’s well written material would find its way into the mainstream media.
In all of the months I have been coming here, its seems like we are completely ignored unless it’s in a negative light, and even then the name of site is not mentioned as we saw with the Nobles article.
That does not mean we are not known as you will quickly find out by posting a link from here at a liberal site.
I have seen numerous articles here that are newsworthy. The question is how can we promote site content other than sending links to others and trying to make a point at other sites?
No one covers the George Zimmerman case like this site.
I think the Robert Zimmerman Interview will change the public perception somewhat
Hi Fact Observer – Robert Zimmerman is a find person – as is his brother. But the false and racial “narrative” has been driven so hard into the “Public Mind” – that it is almost impossible to change it. If R. Stultzman would write an OBJECTIVE article, as “Investigative Reporting” she would win a Pulitzer. This would mean researching the LACK of phone records, and more serious, no CONFIRMING “Ping Logs” for that 15 minutes. Do you think she will take on that challenge?
Sorry about the use of words to describe the “individuals who believe in the innocence of TM and the guilt of GZ with no room for the truth” as “Traybots”, “Travonites”, “insert whatever other name you want”…I, for the first time, have gone way beyond the norm for me on this case…I use to snicker at my Dad for getting racial…I’m seeing it in me this time…Maybe someone can come up with suitable name to replace the ones above…most appear to be just a way shorten the name of the “followers”.
I believe they are supposed to be called Intellectually Challenged now.
These ” TM followers” believe every scenario except GZ being innocent….I, at one time (7 months ago), thought he could/might be guilty…why can’t they believe he’s innocent out of all the guilty scenarios they have speculated on? Come on…not even 1 of those chances he could be innocent? Most don’t deserve a better name…actually.
passion of the skittles
#NO_LIMIT_ASTRONAUT :3
They are a plain old, common or garden LYNCH MOB
The use of modern technology is deceptive… back in the day they would have been out with pitch forks and flaming torches.
Actually L-Mob…LM’s sounds dead on…right on the money.
I think Inspector Kemp said it the best. “A riot is an ugly thingk, undt vonce you get vun shtarted, there is little shance of shtopping it, short of bluudshet. I think, before we go around killing peeple, we had better made DAMN sure of our evidence”
I remember when this incident first came out….”kid shot while walking in a gated community WBB”…” white wannabe cop guns down 12 year old in cold blood”…I said..this doesn’t happen in the 21st Century unless someone is really wacked out…well GZ wasn’t that…and I found this site…which explained a lot.
the zimmermans needs to stop apologizing because they are the real victims of this whole case. It was george who is accused of a crime for saving his own life. It was trayvon martin who made a decision to attack george. It was the zimmermans who lost their peaceful life. Now, the martins are going all around like they are some kind of civil rights leader when their son is really also the acuse of the trial. The zimmermans need to know that the martins will not accept anything except an eye for an eye. This is evident from the first bond hearing. After george made a public apology to the martins, the lawyers basically declared that it was unacceptable because george did not confess to the crime of murder. Well, crump and company, george had already confess to the crime and the real criminal is trayvon, but crump wants george to confess to their version of the story. Now you got robert zimmerman with his eye liner on good day la to offer another apology when the truth is his whole family is targeted by the martins for revenge.
Just want to say thanx to SD for sharing your valuable perspective!
Sundance, interesting observation there with the Pitbull avatar. I won’t repeat your description on how a Pitbull behaves, but will add that this type of dog is used by these racists as a tool of intimidation. So the avatar suggests intimidation. That said, these types that use Pitbulls to intimidate don’t really love the dogs. If you love a dog, you never want to see them in harms way. Shot by police, killed by another dog, etc. And so it fits perfectly into the social/political mindset of these racists that should BigBoi fall, they would just step over her and continue to condition ppl to hate. Going on to the next dog. You were exactly right in making the comparison … whether it’s the ppl or the Pitbull .. the point is to condition to hate. The only time they CARE when someone falls is if it can make a story (like Trayvon) to ramp up the hatred. Michael Vick cared sooo much about his Pitbulls that he HIMSELF electrocuted them, slammed them to the ground, and drowned them. And that’s what the conditioning does to it’s own ppl. Full of nothing but hate and cannot be trusted to live in peace.
I was shocked to see how many people came out in support of Michael Vick. I was even more shocked once I realized that a huge percentage of those people were black. So what I gotta wonder is…. if Vick was white, would he have had ANY support? I can’t imagine white people would suddenly support the idiot if he happened to be white. Would black people have supported him?
IMO GZ’s brother has an agenda of his own. Will he be selling something like Osterman? Can any of the Zimmermans keep quiet? At least until GZ is free?
Because of the clear political ramifications of the case it would be no surprise if anonymously and quietly some significant influence came to the aid of the Zimmermans in what has become something of a war. In war there is no substitute for victory.
Robert has an “agenda”. Yes, it is called, “save my brother by telling the truth”.
myopiafree: I would fight anyone to the death for my brother. Robert is a better person than me . I would be running on raw emotion when it comes to my family. I am a kind person by nature but if you draw first blood you got one hell of a fight on your hands. If someone went after my family thats drawing first blood to me.
I have to hand it to Julison, Crump, and team they carried on a masterful con, on the mainstream media and populace. The early images of a sweet 12 yr. old, 8 yr old football player were taken advantage to the fullest. As the narrative evolve, the photoshop hoodie picture, with a lighter, less menacing TM, along with playing on people’s fear, and aversion of being stereotype, help to cement the image of an angelic kid, who was brutally killed by a person out of control. They played on the meme that a mostly white(racist) organization the cops, always discriminated against blacks, they used it all. The gun laws, SYG this case was a blank screen where everyone could imprint their grievance. With a willing media who kept feeding into the fire from every angle, stoking the flames of whatever it was that aggrieved you.
Problem was it was all fake, as time went by it became more and more obvious except to those, who don’t follow the case and all they know is the con that was portrayed on the media, and those who are knowing of the facts but because of their own prejudices, and biases, want to keep this charade going on, and will grasp at any straw, destroy anyone or anything, before Justice is finally done.
Hi Bori – I could not have said it better myself. Crump is a sociopath – of the “first order”. He is willing to “lie” distort facts, and encourage others to “fib” – successfully. In fact, the real racist was No-Limit-Nigga, who intentionally attacked the White-Cracka – because he felt he had the right to do so. So Curmp, in his chutzpah, turns this totally around, and has GZ attacking a “cute 11 year old child”. He then sold the story to Julison and the media – AND THEY ALL FELL FOR IT. This is an object lesson in how propaganda works. In Germany it worked against the Jews – where the press was “controlled”. It is hard for me to believe that it develops in our society – but it has.
This needs to server as a warning of what can be done in the name of social justice, or any other cause, such as electing the President (2008), we need to be vigilant, and call bull when we see it, before, the Big Lie, becomes the Truth.
Nice little concise synopsis there, Bori.
this is their level of maturity:
Sean McCutcheon Wonder if he’s banging his brother’s wife/cousin while Georgie is in jail?
6 hours ago · 1
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=159777897494469&id=278155035593734
(GG ran justice for trayvon page)
all over I read the comments calling them media whores and I dont get it.
1 hannity interview, 1 la interview, and they are media whores? what does that make the martins who are in front of cameras all the time non stop for the last 7 months?
This is a comment that was posted to me from another site where I comment.
Nola you have been indoctrinated into being the poster child for white delusion. You endorse their stereotypes of us, their warped opinions of our culture, their distorted viewpoints of our love of family and our ancestor’s contributions and achievements in this country.
It is because of [blacks like you] that the racial divide has been unbridgeable for as long as it has because as long as some whites have blacks like you they will never feel it necessary to gain full appreciation for who we are as a race of people. As long as you endorse their perceptions that but for a select few of black people – we are all sexually charged, entertainment motivated, low work ethic and low moral individuals, they won’t ever take the time to really learn what the majority of us really are like.
and this was my reply:
It is because of blacks like you that the racial divide has been unbridgeable for as long as it has because as long as some whites have blacks like you they will never feel it necessary to gain full appreciation for who we are as a race of people.”
There are no blacks like me, I am not swayed by anyone person or by any group of people. The road I travel, my views and principles are determined by the GOD I serve. I am 56 years old and I can’t say that my life has ever been negatively impacted simply because I am a black woman. I have 2 daughters and 4 grandchildren and a host of relatives and friends and I can’t recall any negative impacts on any of their lives that have come from the fact that they are black.
I am not saying that racism is not out there it is, but it is not isolated to just one race and IMO the acts of racism are so isolated that the only major impact that racism have is on the ones that allow the impact. There are no schools that are worth attending that refuse admission based on race. There are no communities worth living in that refuse to allow residents based on race. There are no careers worth having if those careers are limited to certain races.
THEIFAM wrote:
“How many black people do you even socialize with?”
I socialize with people of all races; my family consists of many difference races. I am the owner/director of two preschools and my enrollment consists of a diverse group. My work in my community consists of support groups for young women, the youth and education and my patrons are of a diverse group.
What I have noticed amongst the people that I do socialize with who fail to strive are those who are lacking in education, mostly single parents and who view the social programs as a way of life and those that attribute every negative thing that has ever happened to them as someone else’s fault. Please understand that I am not limiting this to any one race.
What I have noticed is we as a black race scream racism more often when the issue is related to the criminal justice system as in this case. Zimmerman killed Trayvon because Trayvon was black and the racist system refused to arrest him.
When was the last time that a group of black people marched on a college campus because a black student didn’t get the grade that he or she deserved? When was the last time that a group of black people protested because a black family wanted to move into a neighborhood and couldn’t because they were black? When was the last time a black person wasn’t allowed to enroll in a college because he or she was black or tried to buy a car and was told no because of his race?
We have laws today that make employment discrimination based on race illegal and if a person believed that he or she has been discriminated against based on race there are remedies and please don’t think that job discrimination is limited to the black race, people of all races experience job discrimination as well as other forms of discrimination.
Black people like me that refuse to allow race to be a factor in our lives and who refuse to allow others to inflict the race card in our lives are the ones who strive and grow and who are successful in spike of the world in which we live. When I say successful please don’t attach a dollar sign to that because in my opinions dollars don’t equal success.
THEIFAM I almost feel sorry for you, because you appear to be a very educated person yet a very unhappy person. If you wish to end racism you will have to start with yourself and then when you look at the black race as a whole you are going to have to accept fact that every negative thing that happens to a black person isn’t happening because he was or she is black.
I am a proud black person and I love my people, yet I am not blind to the things that my people are doing that are preventing them from being all that they can be in life. Hollering racism hasn’t gotten the black people anywhere maybe it is time to holler something else, got any ideas?
NJ is not along in her belief that nobody should defend George even when the evidence supports his self-defense claim. The blacks that do support Zimmerman based on the evidence that has been presented to the public are underfire for the standing their ground, LOL.
msfaye123: I love that post and I really like and respect you . God Bless .
Thanks for you persistance and success. I wish you well and much happiness but it sounds like you can do that all by yourself.
You’ve obviously chosen to engage your detractors on thoughtful ground, taking the time to argue your ideas and opinions. Excellent. Obviously, you already benefit and are blessed by the results of your personal maturity in these things. God help us, msfaye123, we’re (white folks) desperately trying to engage in the battle with the same excellence. Because we tended to “never say anything,” even in the face of absolute crazymaking over the decades, one of the problems I discover in myself is that I’m not used to speaking really plainly, directly to the issues…so sometimes I’m not very good at it.
Over the decades, I’ve occasionally heard blacks taunt whites with, “I bet you wouldn’t want to be black–would you? Be honest now! You KNOW you’re better off being white.” I’ve gotten to the point now where sometimes I just feel tired inside and on some days, you know, it would be easier to be black today. Being white today is, in some very public venues, the same as having a giant target on my back. I’m instantly labeled by large groups as being selfish, destructive, heartless, critical…..and what not.
And you know what? I’m pretty much exactly like you–worked my butt off all my life and figured that if I take responsibility for myself and my decisions, things will generally play out somewhat under control. God created us to be self-reliant, responsible, compassionate people who know how to work and can enjoy the results of their work. What the racialist industry has done in this nation to destroy that mindset is horrible. Normal Americans are all under the gun today, including you and me. Oh, well, normal Americans are the ones who can pull the nation back on the road if we can get them all thrown out of places of power and influence. Of course, then we’ll be accused, again, of making too much money and being too content and enjoying our Saturday afternoons too much and spending too much time with like-minded folks. Can’t win–I guess we can just as well get used to it.
Thank you so for your excellent comment.
Beyond just the Zimmerman case we have Pigford and dozens of other victims claiming racism where their was none. It is indeed a racket.
How the Jesse Jackson scam works.
Find a Corporation whose racial complexion has fewer blacks than the general population and you have a target of opportunity. Meet with them; threaten protests, boycotts and negative press. To avoid the pain Jesse’s “friends & family” will be hired as consultants to fix your problem.
My father had a run in with him and won. The pimps out there are not limited to race; my father had the same from a women’s rights group. Here is what he experienced:
Background: My father was in the Navy at the tail end of WW2. He was the second generation of an immigrant family. After graduating from College he started working the night shift at a dairy. He worked his way up to the top echelons over his career.
Along the way my father had a Memphis plant placed under responsibility and he went to see it. He saw colored drinking fountains, colored bathrooms and a colored locker room. He immediately had them closed off. He interviewed dozens and promoted a black person to plant manager and another to shift supervisor at night. He also promoted a Latino and two whites to the 5 positions that became available that day when he fired 5 people. My father did not promote anyone because of their color but based on their abilities and proven record. Back then, ’63 – prior to the civil rights legislation, minorities had to work twice as hard to get promoted.
My eldest sister was a starry eyed girl of the sixties. She wanted to interview Jesse for the college newspaper and got her chance. She was dismayed after the interview and basically said he was an asshole. In one encounter he was dropped from civil rights leader to an asshole.
Two women wanted to work the dock; part of the job included carrying 40 lb. bags of sugar. The stud farm boys normally working there could carry 2 at a time without breaking a sweat. My father was forced to hire them even though they were physically incapable of doing the job. The two of them struggled with one 40 lb. sack. After 6 weeks he let them go. Lawsuits followed but after much $ the company prevailed.
Jesse decided to target a billion dollar corporation. He could not attack them for their overall percentages since they had a greater than average minority hiring and advancement record. Jesse just looked at the $ and tried a new tactic, target an individual plant. He found a plant in Wisconsin that only had 2 black employees and tried his claims of racism. The rural county was 95% white, the only 2 melatonin rich folks that applied were hired and both were in supervisory roles. My father, after heated discussion, even said if you pay to bus people in from Milwaukee or Chicago I will hire them if they are qualified but I cannot afford to pay for 2-3 hour daily one way commutes and I doubt anyone would travel that long and far every day. Eventually he told him where to go and no boycotts, protests or lawsuits resulted. Jesse is just a scammer, a leach on society.
Jesse “Just Me” Jackson is very useful (when he shows up, you know the case is BOGUS).
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I just finished reading a book about his life as a shakedown artist written in 2002 (twas very insightful). Being raised in communist family, I had significant issues with reading this book (much of his stated goals I tended to support). The problem being that this money is NOT being used to help those minorities most in ned of help; the problem is that the money is being used to help those who least need help.
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I could be wrong, but I would bet that most folks here have no problem helping poor minorities, but they dont want to see a bunch of rich minorities become more enriched while the poor are being ignored by the likes of Jackson and Charlatan.
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So, please, lovemygirl, feel no need to apologize for any talk about the pro race hustlers as I would hazard to guess that many of us here are very much in agreement with you.
Sorry for the Jesse rant but he is team skittles.
this is how stupid they are:(from jftm http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=332692440160370&id=278155035593734)
David Brittian Yea I noticed that too Lou if it was sincere George Zimmerman would have done it himself!
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Uh, it wasnt from zimmerman, it was from his family, hence gz would not have done it, not to mention he already did twice now…..and not to mention he is prohibited from speaking to the martins,
its just that pesky willful ignorance nataLIE (j)Hackson tweets about.