When Barack Became Barry and Barry Became Barack….Behind the Eyes and Down Nosed Stare…..*Update* It wasn’t just Dad that was “slippery”, Mom was too… (see docs.)

*Update*  Check the documents at the bottom of the thread. The State Department Freedom of Information Act documents establish Obama must have accompanied his mother in October 1967 when she flew on Japan Airlines to Jakarta, Indonesia. Arriving in Indonesia in October 1967, Barry Soetoro was registered for school immediately and started classes in January 1968. Dunham filed a form with the State Department Oct. 21, 1971, to obtain an exception allowing her to enter the United States on her then-expired 1965-issued U.S. passport No. 777788. Obama was included as a child on his mother’s passport until Aug. 13, 1968, when Dunham applied to the State Department to exclude him, identifying him with an Indonesian name as Barack Hussein Obama II (Soebarkah).

“In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school, two years at the Catholic school,” Obama wrote on page 154 of his autobiography “Dreams from My Father,” establishing he had been in Indonesia from 1968 to 1971, from the age of 6 until 10.

Obama also wrote on pages 53-54 of “Dreams from My Father” that he traveled back from Indonesia alone late in 1971 to arrive in Honolulu before his father was scheduled to visit during Christmas and New Year’s 1971.

The Oct. 21, 1971, exception request filled out by Dunham to regain entry to the United States on her expired 1965-issued passport documents she traveled from Jakarta to Honolulu on Pan American Airlines Flight 812, leaving Oct. 20, 1971, and arriving in Honolulu Oct. 21, 1971.

Obama also states on page 62 of “Dreams from My Father” that his father, Barack Obama Sr., traveled from Kenya to Hawaii two weeks after his mother traveled from Indonesia to Hawaii and that his father returned to Kenya and his mother returned to Indonesia after New Year’s Day, Jan. 1, 1972.

Treepers, I am literally up almost all night just trying to sift through the incredible clouds of the Obama narrative because there is so much information to find, research and analyze.   On this thread I just want to share a couple of pictures and ask you to think about them based on the fact based information I have previously been able to put together for you to consider and share.   And I have one request, PLEASE SHARE.   This is NOT speculation, this is not subject to manipulation or opinion, this is just fact based information based on what we do know about Obama, from the lacking media, what is ever so slowly dripping out, and what we are able to research in to…

First the known TIMELINE:

  • Stanley Ann Dunham moves to Hawaii with her Mom and Dad in 1959.
  • That same year (1959) 16-year-old Ann Dunham meets Communist Frank Davis.  Frank Davis is still coordinating the Legal Defense of the “Honolulu Seven” *[See footnote].  She admires him and introduces him to her father and mother.
  • In 1960 while attending Russian Language classes Ann Dunham (17) meets Barack Obama Sr.
  • On February 2nd 1961 Stanley Ann Dunham marries Barack Obama Sr.
  • On August 4th 1961 Barack Obama Jr. is born  Ann is 18 years old.
  • 15 days later on August 19th 1961 Ann Dunham leaves baby Obama in Hawaii to travel to Washington state to attend college.
  • Barack Obama Sr. leaves Hawaii in 1962 to attend Harvard.  Abandoning the marriage.  Jr. and Mom are both in Hawaii at the time.
  • In 1963 Ann Dunham Obama files for divorce from Barack Obama Sr.  “Unusual mental pain and suffering / abandonment”.  Young Barack Obama is 2 years old.
  • In January 1964 the divorce is finalized.
  • In 1966/67 Barack Obama Jr. attended Kindergarten in Hawaii
  • In 1967 (Late in year) Barack Obama Jr. moved to Indonesia.  He was 6.  Mom married Lolo Sotero.
  • In 1968 (January) Barack Obama Jr. Attended first Grade in Indonesia.
  • In 1968/69   Barack Obama Jr. attended Second Grade in Indonesia
  • In 1969/70  Barack Obama Jr. attended 3rd grade in Indonesia and Hawaii ?
  • In 1970/71  Barack Obama Jr. attended 4th grade in  Indonesia.
  • In 1971 Barack Obama Jr. attended 5th grade in Indonesia then ….
  • In 1971 Mom took Barack Obama Jr. back to Hawaii and left him with Grandparents.  Grandpa took Obama Jr. to entry exam for private school.
  • In 1972  Barack Obama Jr. was enrolled in Hawaii private school.

OK you got the timeline.   Now…..

Consider these pictures:

The first picture is of President Obama and his Father taken in Hawaii at the Airport.

How old is he in this picture?  In the next picture taken the same day you see his Mom and Barack Obama Sr.

Both Pictures were taken the same day.   How old is Obama Jr.?  Compare him to this picture which we know was taken in 1969 (he would have been 8)

Now, how old is young Obama in the picture with him and his dad?

Then go back and look at the timeline.

  • Mom and Dad were divorced in Jan 1964.  (Obama was 2 years 5 months old)
  • The picture of Obama with Dad was taken in Hawaii.
  • According to Immigration Documents Dad is 5 foot 11 inches tall.
  • Ann was married to Lolo from 1967 til divorce filed 1980. Finalized 81′

How old is young Obama in the picture with Obama Sr.?   See any  discrepancy?  What do you make of this.?   Also, cool audio/video….

*1.  Frank Marshall Davis authored a column called “Frank-ly Speaking.” The Record’s editor was Communist ex-spy Koji Ariyoshi. Ariyoshi, ILWU President Jack Hall, and five other Communists charged with Smith Act violations became known as the “Honolulu Seven“– convicted in 1953 of advocating the overthrow of the United States government by force and violence. Mits Oka was identified, along with Davis, as a Communist, and he was among the “reluctant 39″ — individuals who refused to testify before April, 1950 House Un-American Activities Committee hearings on Communist influence in the ILWU in Hawaii.  Charged with contempt of Congress, Mits Oka and the other reluctant witnesses were acquitted in January, 1951 — but not before Oka’s stance got him booted out of his position as Hawaii Democratic Party Central Committee Secretary and replaced by some guy named Dan InouyeThe Honolulu Seven convictions were overturned in January 1958 after the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1957 Yates decision recognized the legality of “advocacy and teaching of forcible overthrow as an abstract principle” and held that the Smith Act could prohibit only “advocacy and teaching of concrete action for the forcible overthrow of the Government.” With its editor and his comrades safe, the Honolulu Record folded just six months later.

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30 Responses to When Barack Became Barry and Barry Became Barack….Behind the Eyes and Down Nosed Stare…..*Update* It wasn’t just Dad that was “slippery”, Mom was too… (see docs.)

  1. Otis P. Driftwood says:

    Looking at the timeline it seems there might have been a shotgun involved at the wedding of Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr. And that Russian wasn’t the only thing she learned in class.

    • G8rMom7 says:

      This is what I noticed. I got preggers in early March with my middle daughter who was born about 11 days early in middle November. So unless he was a preemie, he was conceived way before the wedding night.

  2. zmalfoy says:

    Yanno . . . the fact that Mr. Whittle (whose work I have long enjoyed) fudges the legal legitimacy issue so much, is telling. This is a guy who is instinctively careful of his words, and I’m surprised he is even verbally allowing for the possibility of illegitimacy. Bill is, I think, one of the best essayists of our time, and can be considered a major voice of the conservative blogosphere. He’s one of the guys that folks like Ed Morrisey and Michelle Malkin listen to. If he’s vocally allowing doubt (and he did so several times in that 10 minutes), it means that something has injected a lot of doubt into what I’m sure was his default position of “The guy’s legit, sadly”. And if he’s saying these things aloud–even in the course of dismissing them– he’s sending a signal to the rest of the Righty-sphere that this issue is not fringe, is not wack-job. . . And even in dismissing the BC issue, he’s bolstering every other point we’ve had.

    I find this a very interesting development. If Bill Whittle is getting the fact that there are too many questions, even aside from the BC issue, we may well have gained a very influential voice in the ranks of conservatives. . .

    And btw, those scars, I’m with the people who think they were from Ashura “Celebrations.”

    • MRM says:

      Z – I agree with you re Bill Whittle. and thanks for the link.

      What is the theory re the scars and Ashura?

      • zmalfoy says:

        During Ashura “observances”, certain strains of Muslim express their “mourning” by cutting themselves with razors, or spiked flails. Like super old school Mortification practices, only on parade. There are pictures floating around the net of boys taking part in this, blood streaming down their faces from their foreheads.
        If BO was in Pakistan during Ashura (Late Dec-Jan), it’s entirely possible he got caught up in something like that. If he took a knife to his own scalp, while in the grip of some emotion, it could well leave scars, and they would necessarily be straight– they’d wander a bit.

  3. PeterWaldo says:

    Some claim that the first record of Stanley Dunham in Hawaii, is the University of Hawaii listing her as first present on campus in the last weeks of September of 1960 (weeks late).
    They also claim that in the Spring of ’60 she was planning to attend the U. of Washington with her Seattle friends in the Fall after graduating in the Spring of 1960.
    She is quoted by friends as stating in the Summer of ’60, “I don’t have to date or marry to have children.” Madelyn Dunham is also found to abruptly leave her lucrative Vice President Bank Officer position and grab an hourly wage bank teller job in Hawaii in late August ’60, dragging along Stanley and quashing her plans to attend UW. This appears to be actions consistent with typical “hide the 17 year old’s pregnancy” behavior. Therefore, the sperm donor may not have been the Kenyan. Maybe most people are looking in the wrong place. Any tissue samples available for DNA comparison like cigarette buts or hair or buggers?

  4. How Old do you think young Obama is in the picture with his dad?

      • stellap says:

        I agree. 10 or 11.

        • If he was 10 or 11 that would have made the year(s) 1971/1972. Remember the picture was definately taken in Hawaii.

          Obama JR. supposedly lived in Indonesia 1967 though 1971. If he is 10 in the picture then it was after Ann brought him back to Hawaii to live with Grandma and Grandpa, and while she was married to Lolo Sotero.

          Which begs the question. What would have been the “purpose” of the visit?

          Remember, Obama Sr. LEFT them in 1962 and the divorce was reportedly finalized in 64′. Could this 71′ / 72′ visit have been something to do with the “adoption” paperwork?

          Obama Jr. never left Hawaii from late 1971 though the end of high school in 1979 while he lived with his Grandparents the entire time.

    • MRM says:

      Okay, is it just me, or did his ears not really stick out that far when he was a kid? Doesn’t it usually get better with age and not worse?

  5. Ok, I think I have figured it out. The picture was taken sometime between October 21st 1971 and January 1972. Judging from the Christmas Decorations in the Airport pictures, and knowing young Obama arrived October 21st 71′ , and Mom arrived 2 weeks later, Dad arrived sometime before Christmas, and both left Hawaii shortly after January 1st 72′, it is safe to assume the picture was taken in the Honolulu Airport between November 71′ and early January 72′ (Note Christmas Decorations).

    So Ann and Obama Sr. were together with Obama Jr. for the Christmas Holiday 1971. While Ann’s husband (Obama Jr’s step dad) remained in Indonesia. After the trip, Ann returned to Indonesia, young Obama stayed in Hawaii with Grandparents attending school 1972′ – 1979′ in Hawaii.

    • Garnette says:

      If I remember correctly this was actually just a stop over for Obama Sr. They knew he would have a layover at the airport so they went to the airport to visit with him.

      • Obama wrote on pages 53-54 of “Dreams from My Father” that he traveled back from Indonesia alone late in 1971 to arrive in Honolulu before his father was scheduled to visit during Christmas and New Year’s 1971.

        Obama also states on page 62 of “Dreams from My Father” that his father, Barack Obama Sr., traveled from Kenya to Hawaii two weeks after his mother traveled from Indonesia to Hawaii and that his father returned to Kenya and his mother returned to Indonesia after New Year’s Day, Jan. 1, 1972.

        The Oct. 21, 1971, exception request filled out by Dunham to regain entry to the United States on her expired 1965-issued passport documents she traveled from Jakarta to Honolulu on Pan American Airlines Flight 812, leaving Oct. 20, 1971, and arriving in Honolulu Oct. 21, 1971.

  6. Please check out the Marriage Date between Ann Dunham and Lolo Soetoro listed on Passport doc 7 – “March 5th 1964″ ?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot !!!

    The date of Ann and Obama Sr’s divorce was Jan 1964 !! Correction the exact date of divorce from Barack Obama Sr. was March 8th 1964

    • MRM says:

      okay, the first date (Jan ’64) I was going to pass off as one of those things where she didn’t bother with the divorce until she was getting remarried. The second date makes her marriage to Lolo illegal…? or not… I guess it depends on what the law is in Indonesia. Wow.

    • texan59 says:

      Did anyone notice that the birthdates for Lolo were also different, just as they were for BHO sr.

      • Texan, OH YEAH…. what I notice is that Stanley Ann and Barack Obama Sr frequently used differing dates for the same events on differing forms. If you look at all the forms it is silly. They use different birthdates, different marriage dates, different divorce dates, different travel dates, they change dates from form to form in a haphazzard way. What the heck for.

  7. MJW says:

    15 days later on August 19th 1961 Ann Dunham leaves baby Obama in Hawaii to travel to Washington state to attend college.

    I’m not saying it’s true, but the generally accepted version is that Ann took baby Obama with her to Seattle. Ann’s friend Susan Blake told a story of changing Barack’s diaper in Washington shortly after his birth.

    • MRM says:

      That’s what I’d read as well. that they both went to WA in the fall. There was a dispute as to whether classes started in Aug or Sept and I believe the correct date was Sept. Then again, I have no idea where I read that or how accurate it was.

  8. G8rMom7 says:

    First, I LOVE BILL WHITTLE…this is EXACTLY how I feel. While it would sure be easier if the BC were the only issue and we could just find him illegit and throw him out. But what really really concerns me is what he expresses in that audio….this is a disturbed man. And I also said in another thread how I feel sorry for that young boy Obama.

    One interesting thing to think about…when listening to the story Bill tells from BHO’s book about being in that bar with Gramps and Frank Davis with the pornographic Disney pictures (nice…by the way), it reminded me of something that the one and only Michael Jackson wrote about his childhood. When other kids were out playing stickball and dodgeball, where was MJ? With his brothers in strip clubs preparing to perform. MJ talks in his book how that affected him as a kid…and you know what kind of an adult that young man turned out to be. Frightening to think our POTUS has the same disturbing background.

    • G8rMom7 says:

      Same…only worse that is, because at least MJ wasn’t learning about communism at that age…or that we know about anyway.

      • Gotta bone to pick with you…had to call tech support for Club Penguin the other night and the hold music made me want to jump on a plane to Disney. Admit y’all have a master plan…the kid on the phone did.

        ; )

        • G8rMom7 says:

          They get us all that way. I have been having to read all this copy about our new resort we’re building in Hawaii and every time they send me something I tell them that I couldn’t possibly comment on anything unless I see the resort for myself…and I see how great the activities are for kids by bringing my family. ;-)

          Funny you said that about Club Penguin…my almost 13 year old still says yes when I ask her if she wants me to renew her membership every six months…isn’t she a big old? I was going to renew anyway just for my 8 year old daughter who I now would use it.

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